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Flashback: Obama in ‘08 Hit Hillary Clinton for Health Care ’Penalty’
- Posted on July 1, 2012 at 9:51pm by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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White House chief of staff Jack Lew repeatedly insisted Sunday that those who fail to buy health insurance will be assessed a “penalty” — not a tax.
But just four years ago, then-candidate Barack Obama ran an ad attacking rival Hillary Clinton for her health plan that it said would do just that.
First, the ad:
Compare to Lew on Sunday:
(h/t BuzzFeed)
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Comments (73)
youshuthehellup
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:22amso, ok – it’s a penalty – no! it’s a tax! – No! it’s a penalty….they’re so cute. It is unfortunate for the obama administration that We The People are on to their lame spinning of the facts!!!! (lol)
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:18amIsn’t it though? I keep trying to post this to my wall on FB. My computer freezes until I remove the check mark for FB. Fb or somthing is blocking me, This happens all of the time. Does anyone else have this problem? I will try again later.
Report Post »Anamah
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:46amAll those crap people are professional liers, commies activist and this is our serious problem because they are here simply defrauding all of us to kill freedom, prosperity and the American way of life to put in place their socialist ideology to poison with Alinsky Rules pushing for chaos and violence thats is the the kind of country they want to make of America.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:02amThis is sickening, these fools can’t even govern because they are just working on ways to gain more control and take more money from us. Their whole being, they’re entire existence is a lie. They are filth.
Report Post »http://www.isthatbaloney.com/scotus-rules-health-insurance-only-a-tax-if-you-dont-buy-it/
johnjamison
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:26amhere’s the thing,
Report Post »Tax,mandate,penalty..whatever
No where does the government have the right to place one or any on you for not buying something. No where does the government have the right to tax you just because you exist. Which is what 5 supremem court judges just ruled they do have. THIS IS A SIGN THAT THECONSTITUTION NEEDS TO AMENDMENTS ADDED AND OTHER AMENDMENTS NEED TO HAVE PRECISE LIMITS ON THEM.
politicianssuck
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:18amAre we, Really? I think the American people are idiots. If it comes down to whats better, being cool and voting for a guy because of his skin color, or saving the country and voting for the guy who can save it. I think the American people will go for being cool every time.
Report Post »anomnomnommm
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:49amFLASHBACK 2006. MITT ROMNEY EXPLAINS MANDATE TO HERITAGE FOUNDATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=youtu.be
VOTE AS YOU WILL.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:52am“Lying rides upon debt’s back”!. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
“He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world’s believing him. This falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions”.THOMAS JEFFERSON
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics”.MARK TWAIN
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:06amAwesome post. Also what about the hidden sections of the HC bill? Americans would be shocked to know what is in store for them. I keep trying to post to FB and again it won’t let me. Odd?
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:56amABBY,
Your response is an eloquent version of my reaction, which was more like–”What a slimy liar!”
Lew’s twisting of words comes so calmly and naturally, yet we know he KNOWS he is twisting the truth. How can any honest person have this conversation without once even mentioning the word “tax”in any context (or did I miss it?). That takes concentration– and proves that they know these words are important.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:40amMy mother used to always tell me: “Once a liar, ALWAYS a liar.“ and ”Once a thief ALWAYS a thief.”
Funny how those two sayings work together especially in politics.
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:46amThe Dictator in the White House, and the King on the Court. The Republic is being molded and reformed to their desires.
Report Post »Anti_Spock
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:00amMSM noise over Obummer lies…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….
zzzzzzzzzzzzz…. GOP is racist……..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz… racist tea party………….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………… old white people……..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….
Report Post »an d today President Obama logged his 101st golf game Oh Joy!….. racist GOP……..zzzzzzzzzz….
Paul
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:08amBad D r u g s huh?
Report Post »Liekiller
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:31amAmusing how the REAL question small businesses have about Obamacare is artfully dodged. I’m talking small businesses with under 25 employees where as yet they have been unable to afford to provide ANY healthcare benefits and even a 35% “tax credit” isn’t enough to make it affordable. The companies still can’t exist if they have to pay that 65%. I spoke with one small business owner today who plans on closing his business in 2014 when this goes into effect. I won’t be starting the business I was going to start thanks to Obamacare. Fend for yourselves suckers.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:01amLIEKILLER, I agree. Another thing to be concerned about are the hidden sections that the American people don’t know about. Very frightening. Which bt the way I am trying to post toFB and guess what? My computer won’t let me. I will keep trying.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:47am@Liekiller, Romney will HAVE to repeal Obamacare or else HE will be the one blamed for the high unemployment numbers due to Obamacare in 2014! Nobody will “blame Obama” for things even though Obama “blames Bush” for everything!
Report Post »Truthmonster
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:04amYet another stark deed that Liberals are void and detached from reality. What I don’t get is why they want to destroy America. In no other country could cretins like these achieve power none. WE have to drain the liberal DC swamp and flush liberal ideology down the commode.
Report Post »Paul
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:02amLied then Lies now…
And ?!
Report Post »sandy21957
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:09amThe major group of free riders will still exist….illegal aliens and foreign religious groups that don’t believe in insurance (Muslim). But Obama doesn‘t want to irritate his voting block and yes they vote even though they aren’t citizens.
Report Post »Plan B
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:16amOh my, I did not believe what you said about Muslims being exempt. I had to look it up. Damn if you are not right. Muslims will accept medicaid and medicare because they do not pay for it. I may be mistaken, but what I read said they consider Insurance a form of gambling. They want universal healthcare-single payer system which is where we are headed. Soooo muslims are winning another battle here. No wonder the muslim in the white house wants to colape our health care system so bad.
Report Post »JohnLarson
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:42pmIf we had single payer like all the healthiest nations in the world have, we wouldn’t need a mandate.
Report Post »1froglegs
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:12am“ Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).”
“Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.”
“More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).”
“Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).”
Report Post »1froglegs
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:14am“Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.
Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.
Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them. “
Report Post »1froglegs
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:14am“Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:
Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report “excellent” health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as “fair or poor.”
Report Post »1froglegs
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:15am“Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long – sometimes more than a year – to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]
Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either “fundamental change” or “complete rebuilding.”[9]
Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the “health care system,” more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]“
Report Post »1froglegs
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:16am“Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]
Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] “
Report Post »Plan B
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:22am@1Froglegs.
I am not disputing your comments, I would like to know the source so I can study it and use it in discussions with my progressive friends.
Report Post »bobefann
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:06pmFunny how the white house is all of a sudden throwing out the term ‘free riders’. Isn’t tht most of their voting base? If I were them I would not use that term loosely.
Report Post »Paul
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:05amThey’re Idiots what do you expect ?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:05pmSo the government requires hospitals to treat people without insurance. And then they are shocked that people take advantage of the system and to fix the problem….We get health insurance mandates (Romneycare and Obamacare). But the government created the problem!!
I just now started looking into this – let me know if i am missing anything….
It’s called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act and it requires hospitals to treat people without insurance. Turns out it was passed in 1986. 1986, guess who was president at the time….RONALD REAGAN!! And to make it worse, the republicans had the Senate!!!
This is why we need to tell the republicans – NO MORE. No more progressivism, no more incrimentalism, NO MORE COMPROMISE. I’m telling you, if we nominate progressive Romney and keep weak-kneed McConnel and Boehner in charge – things will never get better. We cannot take back this country when there are cancers (progressives) in our own party
Report Post »normalmom
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:09amThat is true Romney sadly would be the lesser of two evils. If people can’t unite to vote Romney, Obama will win due to the lemmings and things will get even worse.
Report Post »Plan B
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:32amYes, active LABOR. We were lied to again. This law was suppose to keep hospitals from turning away a women in active labor. Babies were being born on the steps of hospitals when their mothers were turned away. It was another of those news stories that they pushed and pushed and the public called thier representatives to have this bill passed.
The news media then as now decides public opinion.
Everynight while bush was pres, we saw the faces of the dead soldiers and a head count monthly. Every news outlet gave us the news and covered it on every broadcast for a week when the number of US soldiers deaths hit 2000 in Iraq. Last week we hit the horrible number of 2000 dead in Afghanistan, but with Obama as president, the news media never mentioned it and has forgotten that our boys are still fighting and losing thier lives everyday over there.
Report Post »Iamamom
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:02pmIf the Obama administration refuses to call the penalty a tax doesn’t that make the mandate unconstitutional in their words?
Report Post »bobefann
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:25pmwhat constitution? we dont have one
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:03amWe have one, just no one defending it at this time.
Report Post »kcinco
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:50pmTalk about dancing around the question! He said he hasn’t practiced law for a while, but he is still a snake in the grass (I’m not making a generalization about the honest attorneys out there). And what is it with the new progressive reference to “free-riders?” I think the president and congress are free-riders with their cadillac healthcare plans at taxpayer expense.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:50pmAnd yet he recruited her into his cabinet. Remind me, exactly how much of “Obama’s health care plan” was actually written by Obama.
Report Post »Plan B
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:35amThat health care plan was sitting on a shelf waiting for the perfect storm.
Makes you wonder what other goodies are sitting there to spring on the American people.
Report Post »conservatype
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:45pmSo Obama is a compulsive liar, a phony, and a stinking Marxist? Tell us something we don’t know……..
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:43pmremember, Obama wants single payer healthcare (socialized medicine). With this supreme court decision, all the goverment has to do is make it a tax and it will be valid. Watch out
Hope there are no progressives in our foxhole
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:39pmSo our conservative arsenal is as full as we want it to be. Our weapon against this substantial evil is our vote. We should have no trouble taking the Senate, the House, and the White House if everyone who is sick of this evil is packin’ their vote. I’m told conservatives out number libs, so let’s make it so. I have never seen or read about a more ridiculous, radical, repugnant administration. This is our election to lose. Let’s not.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:42pmHi TRON .. don’t know if you have seen this Romney ad .. I just caught it yesterday ….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg3NkhAQ5_4
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:48pmbtw .. the 4 years of working for Obama … have NOT been kind to Hillary ;-)
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:48pm@CATB
Report Post »Pure politics. I’m in VA – the ads have been terrible, nothing but snipits, lies, and half-truths from both campaigns….And they havent even got to Romneys job record as governor
RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:28pmTron, I’m diverting a bit, but are you familiar at all with Romney Care? I am not, but I have cause to wonder about all of these claims that 0bamacare is based upon it. Does Romney Care have all of these added taxes, and penalties that 0bamacare does? To me it sounds as thought 0bamacare is more or less based on the old Hillary Care program that was full of penalties and back room deals. I get the feeling they are telling the usual lies regarding Romney Care. Still, don’t care for either since none of this has worked in other countries that have tried.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:03amThe heart of Romneycare is that you have to buy insurance or else you pay into the MA slush fund (tax/penalty). Yea Obamacare has thousands of extra pages and other things – but that is how all the federal bills go
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:39pmSo he fell back on the 99%-1% line. This was all part of the Occupy technique. Marginalize those you disagree with.
Report Post »65Mustang
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:37pmObama and everyone connected to him are nothing but bald-faced liars…
Report Post »Paul
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:06amBut on the *Bright* side , they make it easy for us to see the truth, think about it…
Report Post »Neils60
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:33pmWhat Chris Wallace failed to state to Mr. Lew was that the Congressional Budget Office has stated that ObamaCare will cost almost double what was originally promised to the American public a year ago. This, despite the fact that one-half trillion dollars will be eliminated from Medicare over a 10 year period under ObamaCare. I hope, too, that Romney uses the president‘s criticism of Hillary’s health plan of 2008, where he disdainfully complains that her plan will include a PENALTY for those who don’t comply, and his wouldn’t!
Report Post »ZBP
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:22pmThey just keep lying don’t they.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:34pmNew Romney ad (don’t know if it was him or one of the Pacs) has Hillary in it saying that Obama LIES .. it was great .. I will try to find it .. or if someone has it can find it please post it.
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:40pmYou can never be called a liar if you refuse to define a lie. They always (we allow them) define the terms of the argument, and define the language.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:42pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg3NkhAQ5_4
The ad …
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:22pm…
Report Post »Wish we could hop into Dr. Who’s TARDIS and go back in time to 2008, knowing what we know now about Obama. He would have never been elected.
paperpushermj
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:17pmHave you noticed how Obamcare is being touted as following the blueprint of then Gov. Romney’s plan for his state? It seems to me this is a golden Opportunity for the Gov. to say in response“ You say you credit my version of a state health care plan and have copied and expanded it to the rest of the Country” then I say “You learned nothing from the flaws that became apparent during implantation and in fact Obamacare will be an object failure in not fixing the problems, that will be greatly magnified when expanding the program from less then 20 million to over 320 Million.
Report Post »If you want to elevate the Gov. as the expert then you open yourselves to his Expert Critique of the program.
teacherskj
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:42pmWell stated.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:44pmwouldnt that be pure hypocrisy?
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:05pmRomney cannot do that. Romney in 2009 knew his health care plan was a failure but still went on tv and said he was glad Obama was using his plan.
One of these days you sheep will find something Romney can actually attack Obama on instead of being on the same side as him.
Lets look at the issues Romney has to say away from.
Immigration
Report Post »Obamacare
Spending
The UN
The FED
Big bank donors
Gun control
Abortion
Bailouts
Controversial religion
so3
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:13pmI‘m really scared that by reading only Roberts’ decision, I know 100% more than what this guy knows. HEre’s a question…he keeps saying that the penalty is because of the burden put on ‘the system’ by people getting health care but not being on a plan….sooo…what happens when rich folk who have no plan decide to pay their doctors directly out of their pocket? They are not in the system, nor do they burden the system? I’ll tell you what happens…these people will intentionally not get a plan, get taxed, then sue based on the Anti-Injunction Act and had the gov’t their butts.
This is the biggest piece of sophistry I have seen….
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:16pm@ SO3,
When you‘re right you’re right – and you’re 100% so right.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 9:58pmIs Romney still “glad to hear” Obama used his plan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvwwWkzO82g
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:46pmAnd now he says he will get rid of obamacare (screw the congress) and replace it with his own version….Cant wait!
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