Flashback to ‘Electric Fence’ Anti-Gay Pastor’s 1978 Sermon: 40 Years Ago Gays Would Have Been Hanged ‘From a White Oak Tree’
- Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:22pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Hate isn‘t something that’s supposed to stream from the pulpit. This is why overt examples of controversial church rhetoric, while they represent a small minority of faith communities, spread like wildfire across the blogosphere. Take, for instance, Charles L. Worley, the pastor at Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, North Carolina. On Monday, The Blaze brought you his startling words about trapping “lesbians and queers” with an electric fence until they eventually die off.
Now, in the wake of the controversy surrounding the preacher’s words, ThinkProgress notes that Jeremy Hooper, a blogger at GoodAsYou.org, dug up an equally-troubling sermon from 1978. In it, Worley allegedly made some comments about lesbians and gays hanging from a white oak tree. In a clip that was apparently posted by the church, these purportedly decades-old words can be heard.
“I’m God’s preacher. I just believe the book. Living in a day when, you know what, it saddens my heart to think that homosexuals can go around, bless God, and get the applause of a lot of people,” a male voice can be heard saying. “Lesbians and all the rest of it? Bless God, forty years ago they’d have hung ‘em, bless God, from a white oak tree, wouldn’t they? Amen. Sure they would.”
Listen to the recording, below (full audio here):
The clip is only seconds long and it lacks context. However, it is posted on SermonAudio.com in its entirety, dated April 30, 1978 and attributed to the church’s pastor. Worely seems to make the reference while speaking about the church’s need to stand up for its values.
A lesbian who claims to have attended 20 of the Worley’s sermons says that such sentiment is common at the church:
Considering the story’s far reach, it’s likely that other videos and clips of Worely will be making their way out in the coming days.
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Comments (93)
vaman
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 5:14pmThis guy just says what a lot of evangelicals think. They are the true scurge on society. I would imagine he is one of these “big talk” guys , but would never actually do anything because he is a coward. Frankly, I don’t have anger for this poor man. I have shame and empathy. He is so coerced, conned and scared by his religion that he actually think his god appreciates this stuff.
PS – Ranger RP – Your insane rants on this blog are some of your best. Keep hiding your homosexuality the best you can and enjoy your time at the rest stop tonight under the stall.
Report Post »Quack Addict
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 3:13amWhy is it anti-gay? Why can’t we call it pro-normal? Gay or queer is not normal. To be against something that is not normal is normal.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on May 28, 2012 at 4:10pmAre you against being American? It’s not normal to be an American. Are you against being a Christian? It’s not normal to be a Christian. Are you against being white? It’s not normal to be white.
All of these things are not normal in the global population. I think you should be against these as well.
Report Post »In That Day
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 4:21pmAn Advanced Degree in Thinking
By Robert Winkler Burke
Book #4 of In That Day Teachings
3/21/09 http://www.inthatdayteachings.com
What I needed was a retarded,
Oops! I mean, advanced degree in thinking,
So I immersed myself in fantastic,
Oops! I mean, enlightened Christian preaching.
Me and tens of millions of deceived,
Oops! I mean, genius Christians did this,
So on elections we would be fooled,
Oops! I mean, ruled without prejudice.
We also learned when fleeced how to stop it,
Oops! I mean, to not touch God’s own anointed,
So when voting for US President our trance,
Oops! I mean, our spirit picked the one appointed.
I just thank God for my education from antichrist,
Oops! I mean Christian broadcasting,
I’m happy, no honored, to send money to them,
Oops! I mean to Mandarins governing.
People who don’t understand my compliance, I hate,
Oops! I mean, I kindly, compassionately tolerate,
Who cares? Our leaders from pulpit to capitol devour,
Oops! I mean, have our best interests at stake.
My pulpit and political leaders fly high in their hubris,
Oops! I mean, wonderful executive jets,
My pulpit and political leaders are selfish cannibals,
Oops! I mean, selfless workers for my best!
Christian Broadcast has made me profoundly un-American,
Report Post »Oops! I mean, the perfect patriot,
When demagogues speak and do evil, I’m so deaf and blind,
Oops! I mean, I’ll agree to hate not.
In That Day
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 4:26pmMy friends say my brain is full of twisted propaganda,
Oops! I mean: so Christ-like and Christ-emanating,
They see the doctrines I was immersed uncritically in,
Oops! They’re now arrested, due for terminating.
Behold, Jesus is now in my refined soul quickly coming!
Report Post »Oops! I mean: I’ll soon be raptured,
I’m not lazy, but it’s fun to know evil is mind numbing!
Oops! Which god has me captured?
ConservativeCanucklehead
Posted on May 28, 2012 at 9:01pmInThatDay
You need to get on some medication.
Oops! I mean yer bat-shite crazy old boy.
(Schizophrenia is my guess)
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:31pmTake note, folks… this Providence Road Baptist Church is in North Carolina.
I say this because there‘s one that I’m aware of in Brandon, Florida which I used to be a member of in my youth.
It’s *not* the same church.
Report Post »suedstate
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:22pmI believe people should do what they want, but when they try to tell me what they do is normal no way.
You believe what you want and leave me the h**l alone.
It is lucky for Obama his followers are dumber than dirt, his gloriuos gay announcement must have given them chills.
Report Post »I wonder if they know in 2010 he diverted 23 million taxpayer dollars to help his cousin Raila Odinga in Kenya over turn their constitution and implement Sharia Law.
A proclamation went out immediately to arrest all homosexuals, wonder what happened to them.
@leftfighter
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:58pmWell, I don’t believe people should do what they want, but I believe that people are (w/in the boundries of the law) free to do so.
There’s a difference between the two positions.
As a Bible believing Christian, I believe that people should hold themselves to the highest moral standard possible & act as if God Himself was standing over their shoulder at all times (because He is). I also understand that, along w/ inalienable rights, our Creator endowed us w/ free will to do as we like because forced subjugation is not what a loving God wants for His children.
How does this apply to the above speech? God hates the sin, not the sinner. God wants us to hold ourselves to an impossibly standard but knows that we will stumble. That’s the entire reason we needed (& why He came to Earth in the form of) Jesus. God has also commanded us: “Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.” ~Lev. 19:17 “If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.” ~Luke 17:3, “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.” ~Matthew 18:15 & then told us in John 8:7 that unless we’re entirely sinless, we should not to cast the first stone.
God’s will is pretty clear. We are to rebuke the sinner w/o hating him. Worley blesses God while clearly hating the sinner to the point of putting him to death. That’s not Jo
Report Post »six6six
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 4:42pmHey Sued, What color is the sky in your world?
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:01pmIf parents and pastors did their jobs, and trained their children and handled their stewardships the way they are supposed to, then nobody would be talking about hanging anyone from a “white oak tree. People need to be taught and brought up to recognize sin and avoid people and places that could cause them to sin. Lead by example. People, both parents are leaving their children in the care of strangers, or on the street, or with one parent to raise. Just like that grandmother the other day who had raised her own children and took on a rebellious grandson who most likely drove her nuts. That boy had his own grandmother afraid of him. He ended up killing him. Now who really is at fault here? That set of parents should have known better than to put their own mother (and mother-in-law) in such a predicament to where she was to the point of no return. She should not have shot anyone unarmed, but there is little doubt he was abusing his grandmother in some substantial way or threatening her. I think that people should handle their own responsibilities and quite getting violent unless they are threatened to the point they have too. The result of people, pastors with stewardships and the government pushing their responsibilities off on those who are not capable of handling them needs to stop. People who advocate violence against those who are misdirected are not performing their responsibility. It is our place to get the word out and stand by it. God will judge.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:22pmParents love– public education and pop cultuure train.
Report Post »Dogonit
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:47pmEverybody is so fast to judge the gays. It’s much easier to pick on the GAYS than to look at ourselfves and ask… Do I follow God’s teachings to the T ? Hummmm… NOT!!!!
Who does not sin? A sin is a sin,is a sin, is a sin, no matter what type.
So according to many of you religious folks here, we should hang all sinners from the Oak Tree.
Well, if that is the case, there would be no human left on this planet.
I say mind your own business, and you will find out that your house has a lot of glass windows
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:00pmExtra rights for every type of sinner– law school heaven.
Report Post »Dogonit
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:16pmI don’t believe the gay people are asking for extra special anything. They just want basic rights like all the other tax payers.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:26pmHate crime– extra rights?
Report Post »patpace
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:47pmRom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death
Report Post »kenr1963
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 10:02amThank you for printing this scripture saved me from having to do it.Folks this is the only mention of the death penalty in the New Testament.
Report Post »In That Day
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:25pmThe problem with modern Churchianity is that it believes its charismatic and evangelical pastors can preach while forcing (un-agreed-to) hypnotic sycophancy out of rube-sheep who must respond with “amen!“ and ”praise-GOWD!“ and ”Hallelujah!” whenever pastor demands.
When wolf demands agreement (i.e. “You can do better than that!“ ”Turn to neighbor on left and say ‘amen.’“ ”How-many-of-you-know” I won’t count how-many-of-you-know.”) he is performing EVIL, WITCHY stage-hypnotism.
Even the much-heralded prophetic center at Morningstar Ministries in NC & SC believe they can be in alignment with God while using these gross mind-control shenanigan wiles.
Much of the bible belt, via TBN et al, believes in small-brained, dumbed-down mind-control through mesmerizing audience control methods, first by controlling mouth, hands, body and mind.
They say: “Amen?” (audience: “amen!”) “Bless-GOWD?” (audience: “bless-Gowd!”) “Shout Halelluja!” (audience “hallelujah!”)
Once controlling the audience’s mouths, they proceed to body with “Turn to your neighbor!“ and ”Stand and shout!“ and ”eyes closed in prayer“ and ”look straight at me!”
Then they proceed to the mind with “turn to this verse!”, “look up another”, remember but don’t turn to John 3:16!”, and “Finish my……. SENTENCE!”
Having controlled mouth, body and mind… here comes the suggestion: “Dig into wallet or purse and GIVE donation!” to little old mind-contr
Report Post »In That Day
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:43pmLittle old mind-controllers want donations… and for 40 years they’ve succeeded in the bible belt, on TBN, on the internet videos and in mass mailings.
This dumbing down of the American (and global) mind is the cause of socialism’s increase! Dumbed-down sheep fed lies, tend to vote for dumbed-down Socialists feeding more lies.
What if Glenn Beck show his cajones, and did program after program exposing bible-belt mind-control tricks?
You know, one a proto-rube is shown how wolves of ministry create rubes to support their extravagant lifestyles…. the wolves lose control!
Now, if beck exposed NLP’s a) stage hypnotism, b) showmanship, c) misdirection and d) suggestion… then wolves couldn’t blind sheep and extract their money!
If blind sheep were given sight, they wouldn’t vote for socialists any more, since they would stop loving lies!
If clerical and political tyranny was fought by showing the truth of how entertainers, wolves, shepherds of mesmerization and politicians of hidden-shackle mesmerization (i.e. our POTUS)… then people would be FREE!
There would be no more votes for mesmerizing politicians. Also, no more tithing to mind-enslaving shepherds in wolf-clothing!
How about it Glenn Beck?
Daren’t we take on the corrupt Texas gang of preachers and politicians?
Daren’t we show plebes & sheep how the con game works?
Only problem, same cons won‘t work for Beck’s audience, once they are told!
That’s the rub!
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:20pmYour mocking is not right. The man is a pastor, showing his hate of sin. I do not know his heart. At one time people did kill to keep to prevent the spread of sin, especially before Grace appeared (after the birth, death, and resurection of Christ). They did stone people to death and animal blood sacrifices were made to cover sin to make a point and school people into knowing that sin has terrible consequences. The stonings and beatings never did away with sin. A heart in the right place will enable people to have the desire to do right. Christ left His Spirit here for us when He ascended to Heaven. This will cover a multitude of sin in that they have a conscious about sin. Anyway, it is not wise to mock those who are pastors. Stay away from the wolves in sheeps clothing. If you know the Bible and have Christ’s Spirit within you, you will be able to discern the Truth. The Bible even tells you to study and show yoursefl approved.
Report Post »I do know people get worked up about this issue and say things that others try to turn on them during these times of unrest in this country to help their own agendas. Pastors and others are afraid for the sakes of their own children getting into this culture or being dragged into all this and they should be. The fault of this spreading and taking root lies with the people for not properly teaching and standing against this in the right way. This sin is a gift from Hollywood that keeps on giving.
palerider54
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:05pmI think the guy was just trying to drive home the point that gays can’t reproduce and got carried away.
If a gay person wanted to come into our church and hear the word of God preached, to hear how they were living in a sinful lifestyle that would damn their soul to everlasting torment, they would be welcomed.
We need more preachers in the pulpit that aren’t afraid to stand their ground and preach against gays, drugs, cheating on your wives, and all the rest of the things the church has been timid and quiet about for decades.
Sure the preacher got carried away, but instead of attacking him we should be joining his attack on a lifestyle that is ruining America.
No one should be physically attacked or punished for their CHOICE to be gay, but by being silent, and worse yet by accepting it as normal, you are doing the devils work.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:19pmi don’t understand what bothers you so much about the fact that there are gay people in the world. if they want to be gay, why not just let them? how are they bothering you, other than the fact that they exist? they will always exist, it’s just how nature works. straight couples can produce gay children – it happens all the time. just let them live their lives in peace and give them the same rights as any other citizen of the US. why is this so hard? in 25 years this will no longer be an issue.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:20pmFree speech, means freem speech. From this guy, to Rev Wright.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:52pm@PHILLYATHEIST
I agree wholeheartedly when you say:
“ just let them live their lives in peace and give them the same rights as any other citizen of the US”.
I have 2 things to say.
1) Homosexuals, as individuals, DO have the same rights as everyone else. I think it‘s the ’married’ ones you are talking about.
2) I have yet to see a specific list of rights they are denied. I would like to see one – can you help me? I am being serious. I know of one – that medical decisions by ‘partners’ are often overruled by family members. Are there others?
I do not hate homosexuals, nor do I advocate their banishment. Many are wonderful, caring people and I am in no way threatened by their existence. I do, however, believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. If there are issues that need to be hammered out regarding a legal union between them, let’s look at them and see if they can be resolved.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:03pmAgain, if God hates gays so much, why does he continue to make them?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:27pmbrother_ed
Report Post »2) I have yet to see a specific list of rights they are denied. I would like to see one – can you help me? I am being serious. I know of one – that medical decisions by ‘partners’ are often overruled by family members. Are there others?
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There is medical visitations can also be blocked by family, the marriage of a straight couple can be used for one spouse to obtain citizenship, not so homosexual couples, tax benefits, property rights, military benefits (insurance, survivor, etc), here is just a brief list.
rangerp
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:43pmENCINOM
We call it “free will”. God does not make homosexuals, any more than he makes rapist, child molesters, or people who have sex with goats.
Homosexuality is not the result of a choice, it is the result of a series of choices. There is also an environmental side to the issue. You will find a high degree of homosexuals coming from broken homes, victims of sexual assault at a young age, unbalanced families with overbearing mothers, or uncaring fathers. Why do you think AIDS and homosexuality is hitting the black community so hard right now. have you see the stats on the amount of young blacks that are the victims of sexual assault? Are you aware that seven in ten black kids are born into single parent families?
It is a very sad lifestyle, and there is nothing “gay” about it. You are talking about a group of people that have a very high suicide rates, and they also have very high drug and alcohol abuse rates. Couple all of that with the extreme high disease rates. They are only 2.5% of the population, and have 64% of the syphilis, 70% of new HIV cases last year in the U.S, gay bowel syndrome, anal and oral gonorrhea….. A very sad lifestyle that I would not wish on anyone.
Fortunately, we serve a very powerful God, who can save and change homosexuals.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 4:26pmRangerdan, you may need your psuedo-science bigotry to convince yourself you are not a bigot, but your “facts” are nothing more than collection of lies that have circulated the web so that bigots like yourself can sound less hateful.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 6:41pm@ENCINOM
Thanks for the brief list.
Medical visitations can also be blocked by family – That’s a shame and should be looked at.
Marriage of a straight couple can be used for one spouse to obtain citizenship, not so homosexual couples – I don’t think homosexual marriage should be legal, so I guess I can say – Sorry, but that’s the way it goes…
Tax benefits – I think tax breaks should only go to legally married couples who are actively raising children under the age of 18. Once your kids are grown, or if you are childless, no tax break.
Property rights – I think a legal contract could suffice.
Military benefits (insurance, survivor, etc) – and I would add ANY insurance – This is a decision made by the employer, not the insurance company. Some employers pay all of the cost, some pay partial, some pay for the family, etc. Many companies offer benefits to ‘partners’ and I would suggest working for one of those. It’s a benefit that employers use to entice workers. If you don’t like it, find another job.
I appreciate the list, as I am as tired of hearing about ‘equal rights’ as I am ‘fair share’.
You may not agree with my solutions, but it gives us a basis for discussion and possible compromise.
As I said, all homosexuals, as individuals, have the same rights as any other citizen. Your list contained may items that relate to marriage, which I am against.
I’m sure we disagree, but that’s my opinion.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 6:50pmencinom
Hmmm, so you are telling me that governmental organizations like the CDC and FBI are spreading conservative lies. Just for your info, the president, and the senate, or both liberal leaning. The congress barely leans right. So how is it that government organizations are putting out the truth.
The left tried so hard in the early days to show that AIDS was not a gay disease. They got hollywood fully behind them. Only one problem, the numbers do not lie. The majority of people in the US getting HIV, are gay.
Embrace the truth ENCINOM, it will not hurt you.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 24, 2012 at 2:59pm@brother_ed
This is the issue, you are given a whole host of benefits to one class of citizens and excluding another from the same benefits. On its face its a violation of the notion of equal protection and outside any religious argument, the state can not produce a single reason to justify this directed bigotry. The fact that some citizens, even a majority of citizens disagree with the life style of a group is not enough justification to deny them a basic civil right and the privledges that accompany that right.
Report Post »zoro51
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:49pmthis is not a minister of the gospel its a self centerd wanna bea. vacate that church fior its a CULT of hate n death. do unto others rings true then have the eletric fence surround the pastor n his KLAN…
Report Post »bigpew
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:28pmHe’s is 100% right. My point, my leftist hippie (ok for gay to marry) mother was heard by my sister tell my father when my brother and I were just boys (40 years ago) “my biggest fear for our boys is that they might grow up to be homosexuals. This was a fear she had. After 35 years of social media sensationalized behavior her opinion has changed. I pray for her Dailey.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:28pmSeriously, just go away. You spew this same crazy venom whenever you post about any religion. I smell a liberal troll trying to start fights amongst religious conservatives.
Report Post »Dogonit
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:12pmShould the parents of a gay person have the same punishment as the pastor, and many of you, suggested here?
Report Post »Straight couples produce gay children. Where do you think the gays come from??
They are productive working people that pay taxes just like the rest of us.
Under the law, they should have the same rights as any other citizen. But since that’s not the case… the government should not allow them to pay taxes, huh?.
phillyatheist
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:45pmi have always thought that the Westboro folks were a very fringe element, and not actually religious at all. it seems as though i’ve underestimated the reach of their distinct brand of hate. if this kind of speech is commonplace throughout the South, then there are likely millions of believers on the far Christian Right who are more like the WBC than they are to any form of moderate Christianity. and that is scary, indeed.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:51pmBeing from the South, I can anecdotally assure you that RARELY does rhetoric reach this level. Never have I heard it from the pulpit in the churches I’ve attended. Some people may privately think that, but killing someone for their sin is completely contrary to the teachings of the Bible.
What you will hear more often is pastors telling homosexuals they will burn in hell unless they repent. I still find that deplorable (and from reading the Bible, theologically shaky), but this pastor calling for physical violence and/or genocide is thankfully almost completely unheard of.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:01pmthanks for sharing LOCKED. that’s very good to know.
quick anecdote – my Mom lived just outside of Charlotte and she told me she had to stop going to her Church for various reasons, including their request that my father convert from Judaism, as well as their stance on homosexuality. my Mom has gay friends, and when they told her that they have special classes to “reeducate” gay teens she had enough and stopped going.
this specific hate filled rhetoric may be rare, but the opposition to the homosexual lifestyle is apparently quite common. personally, i don’t get it. live and let live, right?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:13pm“… this specific hate filled rhetoric may be rare, but the opposition to the homosexual lifestyle is apparently quite common. personally, i don’t get it. live and let live, right?”
Philly, here’s the problem. The gay activists are aggressive, mean spirited, vulgar, demanding, and not satisfied with live and let live. Hope this helps in your understanding.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:20pmJERK – they are trying like heck to get the same rights as every other citizen in the US. of course they are angry, loud, etc.
if they got their civil rights, you wouldn’t hear from them anymore. at least that’s my guess.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:51pmSame rights– God given; Extra rights- politically connected.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:30pmJimL
Report Post »Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:51pm
Same rights– God given; Extra rights- politically connected.
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No such thing as a God given right in a secular nation. That is a fallacy of the Conservatives, whose God? the Hindus? Budha? the Sky Father of the Native Americans?
JimL
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 4:04pmThomas More
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:15pmThis is brought up now to try and make all people who do not like homosexual acts (not the people!) look crazy, like this minister.
Report Post »Part of the plan.
phillyatheist
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:38pmlook crazy? i think he’s doing a fine job of proving that on his own.
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:45pmPhilly: I mean it will lump anyone who does not want “gay marriage” in with this crazy guy.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:15pmThis is an honest question, not an indictment… but don’t the Baptists have any control over who can represent their faith as a Baptist Pastor and start a Baptist Church? (e.g. this guy, westboro, etc).
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:21pmdenominations 30,000-40,000 and growing.
Report Post »me church- where one in me name come together.
In That Day
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:10pmWell, I’d like to comment that much of modern Churchianity uses Neuro-Linguistic Programming to achieve their “ends-justifies’means” way of obtaining finances and power.
NLP uses a) stage hypnotism, b) showmanship, c) misdirection and d) suggestion.
The Great American Mind of our Forefathers who founded this country: didn’t!
Even great entertainers like Glenn Beck sometimes absent-mindedly use NLP. How does this paster, like so many pastors on TBN, use NLP’s hypnotism, showmanship, misdirection and suggestion?
a) Stage Hypnotism: First, the continual use of “AMEN?“ and ”BLESS-GAWD?“ The speaker continually demands audience ”amen“ and ”bless-Gawd“ respond with a Troglodyte guttural ”amen-yes”. This ELIMINATES thinking. (Great communicators don’t do this, mind-enslavers: do!)
b) Showmanship: Pastor walks back and forth, left to right, like a hypnotist’s watch fob. He struts, he aggrandizes self, puts on a show.
c) Misdirection: He says bible supports his view and his being, both of which are questionable and antithetic to good.
d) Suggestion: He says: Fence or Hang Gays, something totally against the following two things:
The American Mind believes…
1) There is one God above us all (including gays) and…
2) There is one universal philosophy of the West (which is tolerant of gays, pluralists and eccentrics)
Currently, modern Churchianity believes 1… (partially) and not much of 2. That’s why it implodes!
Report Post »jordank19
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:57pmI love the Blaze’s coverage of this guy. Everything is “allegedly” anti-gay or “lacks context.” What context do you need when a guy says he wants to hang homosexuals from oak trees? Sounds pretty clear to me.
Who knew that Islam wasn’t the only religion with a lunatic fringe?
Report Post »whitefield
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:48pmHate is hate. I don’t agree with homosexual lifestyle choices, but this guy’s hatred is deplorable.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:56pmI’ll add my voice to those who stand against hatred.
Report Post »hardiepiper
Posted on May 25, 2012 at 1:56amYou confuse hate with righteous anger.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:46pmThe pastor’s views are wrong and do not represent Christ or Christianity. Take him as he is: a flawed extremist out of touch with the word of Christ. He is NOT a representative of Christianity.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:40pmvery glad to hear many here saying that.
i played the video for my wife who doesn’t really care too much about these things and she was speechless. this pastor, and others like him, have no place teaching anyone anything.
Report Post »FromSeaToSea
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:42pmThe preachers are being silenced by public opinion an sadly it may work. The churches sold their right to speak out and name names by accepting 501C3 tax exempt status.
We need more Churches to speak up but they are willfully silent for the most part.
Sin is Sin. 40 years has not changed God’s mind. Homosexuallity is still an abomination. The Word of God is everlasting.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:47pmGod’s Word has no place outside of a Church, it especially has no place in the halls of justice and the legislatures of the US. We are and always have been a secular republic. Our laws have nothing to do with Christian fairy tales.
Additionally, this PAstor is nothing more than a hate monger who should be publically shamed.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:51pmAnd killing is a sin.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:54pmRelating to yourself or another as an object is sin.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:55pmHate the sin, love the sinner. These preachers should be run out on a rail, preaching hate like this.
Report Post »I am not gay, I don’t care what people do behind closed doors, as long as it is legal. I do believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
mcsledge
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:15pmencinom – newsflash – life is all about one’s ability to interact with God and follow his teachings. He or she who fails to understand this will spend the rest of eternity wishing they had.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:19pmencinom – you don’t read much history do you. John Adams (2nd President) stated that the US Constitution was created for a moral and religious people and that it was wholly inadequate to govern any other. That sounds like religion had everything to do with the establishment of America.
You can go and spread your anti-God lies and ignorance somewhere else.
Report Post »skimmer57
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:24pmSeatosea That’s right.Homos are just icky! A sin is a sin. Tell me about the church you go to. Do they preach that if you get a divorce and re marry you commit adultery? It is in the new Testament. You probably are sitting next to a sinner at church you know one of those evil homos or an adulterer. Scary!
Report Post »DeltaCharlieCain
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:34pm@ Encinom
Report Post »God’s Word has no place outside of a Church? So in other words, screw the First Amendment? If you’re not advocating any anti-free speech laws and just stating your opinion, fine, but that’s all that it is and you cannot force that belief onto anybody who disagrees (if you did, wouldn’t you be doing the very things that you claim Christians are doing?). I agree that this “Pastor” is an idiot and a hatemonger, and I hope that the people in that church realize this and either have him step down or go to another church, but whether you like it or not, the First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH…” People have the right to speak in Church, in public, or on any private property if the owner of said property has no objection to them being there. A Christian has the right to free speech just as much as any Jewish person, a Muslim, an atheist or even a Scientologist.
Dogonit
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:41pmENCINOM – Wise words…
Everybody is so fast to judge the gays…
Report Post »I’d like to know after a couple of 1000s of years, who follows God’s steps? Who does not sin? A sin is a sin, no matter what type.
So according to many of you religious folks here, we should hang all sinners from the Oak Tree. If that is the case, there would be no human left on this planet.
encinom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:01pm@DeltaCharlieCain
Let me clarify my statement, I do not care what private people do, when I say God’s word must remain in the Churhc, I mean, they should never be the basis for laws, especially laws that restrict the freedoms and liberties of others. US laws should always remain secular and the pandering on the Right to the Fundimentalist and Fringe Conservative Churchs is a violations of the spirit of the Constitution and the Republic.
@mcsledge
Cherry picking statements from one man does not change the facts or history. Of course this is the President that signed into law, the unconstitutional Aliens and Sedition act, the act that sought to limit the freedom of speech and the press. He might not be the best judge as to the meaning of the Constitution.
Report Post »Joyce61
Posted on May 28, 2012 at 2:27pmencinom
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:47pm
God’s Word has no place outside of a Church, it especially has no place in the halls of justice and the legislatures of the US. We are and always have been a secular republic. Our laws have nothing to do with Christian fairy tales.
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Really? Isaiha: 33,22 For the Lord is our judge, Judicial. The Lord is our lawgiver, Legislative. The Lord is our king, Exective. He will save us.
I am a real Christian- That is to say, A Deciple of the Doctrines of Jesus Christ. The writings of Thomas Jefferson. Page 385
Resistance to Tyranny becomes the Christian and Social duty of each individual…. Continue stedfast and, with a proper sense of your dependance on God, Nobly defend those rights which Heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us. Jhon Hancock first signer of the Declaration of Independence.
History of the U.S of America Volume two page 229
Additionally, this PAstor is nothing more than a hate monger who should be publically shamed.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:40pmNothing from a fundamentalist preacher shocks me. I am a Catholic and have been the target of hate most of my life. Every once in a while, I get really upset and lash out. Most of the time, I realize that each of us will be judged on our own actions.
Report Post »gblackmon84
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:40pmThe Blaze readers do not comment on hate coming from one of their own. That‘s why the Blaze doesn’t do stories about the dozens of huge white supremacist websites and the nasty and violent things that are posted on them daily. Now if ONE BLACK PERSON had called the electrocution of white people, there would be 1000 comments in less than 2 hours. SMFH. This is where all the bigots who lack the ability to independently reason come to hang out.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:02pmDefine “One of their own.” Don’t you mean WHITEY? I believe your BPP have been talking about ballot or bullets and about hanging “crackers.”
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:06pm@GBLACKMON84
Report Post »Then, what are you doing hanging out here?
burnbabylon
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 5:24pmRight. Every media outlet should only publish what the New York Times does.
Just wondering, what is the emoticon for sarcasm?
Report Post »jmcclena
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:39pm#ChristianLove
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:37pmI am not an expert on the psychosis of the lifestyle, but I do disagree with it. And no, to JZS, ENCINO_NAMBLA_MAN, PETTYDRAMAQUEEN, and others, disagreement is not hate. I was taught to lover the sinner and hate the sin. I do not hate anybody.
Report Post »But, this pastor is obviously still in my opinion Westboro material.
Recon1
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:34pmSo I guess the question would be how many sermons that support a conservative view of homosexuality sans the psycho could be “dug up” as well. Because they exist. Worley neither represents my church or resembles my pastor in any way. All are welcomed, but just because you show up doesn’t mean blanket approval of how you conduct your personal life, regardless of sexuality.
Which is as it should be.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:31pmWelcome to the edited blogosphere.
Report Post »Uncurable wound
Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:30pmAmen
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