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‘Flipping Off God’: Westboro Attacks ‘Old and Stale’ Atheist Richard Dawkins & Accuses Him of ‘Perversion’

Westboro Member Attacks Atheist Richard Dawkins | Clergy ProjectWhen examining relations between some of the fringe players in the faith sphere, it’s no surprise to find that famed scientist Richard Dawkins, an atheist, and the radical, anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church, don’t find many points of theological agreement.

In the most recent spat between the two parties, at least one member of Westboro targeted Dawkins’ involvement in “The Clergy Project,” an effort to help non-believing pastors and faith leaders escape the pulpit. The church member went on to dismiss the overall project as an abomination that will bring God’s judgement upon those involved.

(Related: Atheists Launch Scholarships for Clergy Who Want to Escape the ‘Supernatural’ & Abandon the Pulpit)

TheBlaze recently reported about the creation of “The Clergy Project,” which was undertaken by the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Science and Reason and the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF). Recently, the group’s leaders created a support network and a special scholarship fund that will help atheist preachers escape the pulpit.

Westboro Member Attacks Atheist Richard Dawkins | Clergy Project

In an interview with the Examiner, Westboro member Lizz Phelps spoke out against the project, calling it “emblematic of a comprehensive curse over this land leading to ultimate destruction.” Phelps went on to say that the members and leaders of the secretive Clergy Project are, “flipping off God [and] denying he exists.”

(Related: ‘Zombies’ Confront Westboro Protesters as They Trample the American Flag & Picket Against the Military in WA)

As for Dan Barker, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation and husband of Annie Laurie Gaylor (also co-president), Phelps claims that he is deceitful and that he will pay for his rebellion against God.

“He thinks he’s so clever. He pulls upon his personal failure to obey God and offers the slippery, deceitful suggestion to others that they also defy the living God,” Phelps told the Examiner. “That will be the start and end of him. He is going to be responsible for his own rebellion and teaching others.”

Westboro Member Attacks Atheist Richard Dawkins | Clergy Project

Her words weren’t much more favorable for Dawkins, who has become a kingpin of sorts for the international atheist movement. While he is often held up and heralded as an intensely brilliant mind, Phelps diminished his standing, likening his antics to “perversion.”

“There is nothing special, unique, or creative about Richard Dawkins,” she said. “He’s old and stale. He needs to stop his brand of perversion, fear God, and obey God.”

Phelps also warned that members of “The Clergy Project” should fear God and that their day of judgement is around the corner.

Previously, Westboro members picketed “Reason Rally,” a massive atheist festival on the National Mall back in March.

(H/T: The Examiner)

Comments (121)

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  • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:56am

    I am not monicine RIGHT OF BILLY…..I am not liberal nor an atheist I am who I say I am so that is just pure false claim on your part.

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  • WithoutGuile
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:51am

    Westboro ? Why does any news outlet cover these nut jobs? And why does the blaze? They should protest themselves they are so perverted.

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  • DeavonReye
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:12am

    Okay, . . . a pole.

    Would you rather have lunch with a well known atheist, . . . or a prominent member of WBC?

    Here’s the kicker. Both will argue with you that you’re wrong in your religious stance.

    And, . . . . . go!

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    • REALID 239823749828-HIF
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 3:08pm

      First of all, it’s a poll, not a pole. ;) I’m not being a jerk, I’m just messing with you a little. :D

      The answer to your question though, is that I would be happy to have lunch with either. While both will most likely disregard and not even process anything that I say; there exists some small chance that something I say, or something about the attitude with which I say it, might get through to them.

      I don’t mind defending my faith or my worldview to anyone because maybe, now or some years down the road, that person’s meeting with me might lead to a critical decision of some kind in their life.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 5:18pm

      OMG . . . . .how embarrassing. POLL!!! *facepalm on myself*

      I personally think that it would be worse to have lunch with a member of WBC. They are VERY combative and stubborn.

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    • jake-spoon
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 6:52pm

      Whose paying?

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 7:22pm

      @ REALID 239823749828-HIF – or they might say something that might get through to you!

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    • NiceHat
      Posted on August 29, 2012 at 7:20pm

      I would love to have lunch with Richard Dawkins, his voice is amazing and I love his work so, no contest.

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  • wouldubelieveit
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 8:26am

    If YOU under stood Faith, maybe. What it is and that you have it, that you have it, and that you have it. and you use it every day. First FAITH is NOT a religion. Think before you say it You have to use it to believe in a god or not to believe in a god

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  • ToddH
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 4:04am

    Having trouble. My comment won’t post.
    1 or 2 word comments will post, but that’s it.

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    • disgustedAmerican
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 4:13am

      First and foremost… Westboro Baptist does NOT speak for the whole Christian following. They are intolerant and bigoted and do NOT speak for Christ. The devil is in the woodwork of this false church. As a baptist Christian, I am tolerant of a lot of things. Love the sinner, hate the sin, and judge not, lest ye be judged, is what I follow. I have gay friends and I myself am a backsliding Christian with my actions. So I will never judge anyone for their personal view; but Westboro are bigots and false witnesses to the true followings. The devil is in the works of this church, he is the best defense lawyer, creating reasonable doubt by dividing the true sects of Christianity.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:02am

      “First and foremost… Westboro Baptist does NOT speak for the whole Christian following. They are intolerant and bigoted and do NOT speak for Christ. ”

      maybe not, but you’d never know it by browsing the comment threads here at the Blaze. take away the picketing of soldiers funerals and it would be hard to tell the difference between the WBC and a typcial fundy Christian.

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    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:10pm

      To the PhillyAtheist,
      You are incapable of discerning the difference becase you are of this world. To me the difference is huge and the WBC are easily recognized as Judaizers. You on the other hand would not know what that means because you are ignorant. Is being ignorant a good thing? NO! If you wish to be informed you must read the bible and let the Holy Spirit guide you.

      Is PRIDE a good thing? (Most atheists I know fall hard into this category)
      Is lust a good thing?
      Is adultery a good thing?
      Is murder a good thing?
      Is talking behind someones back, in gossip, a good thing?
      Is theft a good thing?
      Is lying a good thing?

      For goodness sake if you can’t answer NO to everyone of these partial list of sinful areas of human interaction then you are worldly apprised and in need of a soulful encounter with the King of Kings.
      A Christian is capable of seeing the destruction wrought because of sin and recommends that society step back from the cliff and reconsider everything they do in the light of Jesus’ truth and grace.

      A sinner is in each and every one of us. Christian or worldly, all people have fallen short of the glory of God. He will judge each of us and those who do not stand under the wings of our Savior Jesus…well as hard as it is for you to hear I will repeat it once again…you are hell bound for all eternity. Your life here is as good as it gets. But it need not be that way. Believe in Jesus and live.

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  • Words_of_the_Buddah
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:44am

    When religion is used to help others, spread cheer and good will, give hope and show people the beauty in the world, then it is the greatest thing anyone, mortal or divine could bring.

    When religion is used to persecute, threaten or control, when it is uses to put others down or force them into a life that they do not wish for, when it is used to insult and abuse, it is the most ugly thing we humans have.

    I believe int he words of the Buddha and the wisdom of science. I believe that we are all human and entitled to view the world in our own particular way. I believe that if there is a god, then wouldn’t he rather see us working together and loving one another, regardless of whether we call him god, Allah, kami, Jehovah, science, or any other name we have given to the truth of the universe?

    If there is a hell, the WBC are going, not because they are bad people, but because they spread negativity and hatred where ever they go. Even the men who I do not agree with in the world will not be joining them, not because of what they think, but how they act.

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    • JACKTHETOAD
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 6:26am

      They’re against the gubbmint there, baldy. What kind of message is the gubbmint sending? “…a time to be born, at time to die…a time for love, at time for hate… a time for peace…I swear it’s not too late.” (Don’t swear. Just go light some INCENSE and meditate while you’re waiting to be slaughtered.!)

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    • JACKTHETOAD
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 6:38am

      …sorry about the extra ts…

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    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:20pm

      Yes and Jesus was Emmanuel (God With Us)
      Why do people pursue obscure mountain-top sitting gurus who only dreamed of perfection while Jesus was perfect. He cured the blind, he fed the poor, he came to set the captive free. His presence was foretold…his life is a fulfilling of hundreds of prophecies. Statistically speaking Jesus is the needle in a hay-stack find. But, you know what??? Millions, upon millions, upon millions of humans have gone off to find their mountain-top sitting guru and only find out they where in error when they are sitting face to face with Jesus. He will cry over their unbelief before handing them over to His Father for their stiff necked defiance of truth.

      Ouch! Sorry. I am right and you sir are wrong.

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    • DarthMims
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:59pm

      I’m not Buddist, nor do I claim any mainstream religion, but I get what you are saying. Jesus, I think, would be very disappointed to see what his message of faith, hope, and charity has been turned into. The first Christians were taught that if you throw me into the lion’s den, I will either see my Father, or I will endure; if you throw me into the firey furnace, I will either see my Father, or I will endure; if you nail me to a cross, if will either see my Father, or I will endure. Jesus taught us to aid the lepers, not tell them they got what they deserve because of their lifestyle; Jesus taught us to go out and minister to the wicked, not sit back with people we know and make fun of them; Jesus taught us that nothing but our good deeds will count after this life, but we still cut down our fellow man to keep a few more dollars for ourselves and rank our standing by how much we have. If Christians, or any religion for that matter, would display these ideals, I would re-consider being a part of it.

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  • Free2speakRN
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 1:28am

    “We will be judged out of our own mouths.” The Golden Rule is written on every sane man’s heart. Everybody has a different life and knowledge/understanding of this Golden Rule of Common Sense. So thankfully, there will be understanding in God’s Judgment, and upon that Mercy. The two sins against ‘hope’ are despair and presumption.

    Many Christians have ‘presumption’ of Heaven, and so forget our duty to ‘love’ one another. When the end of our time comes, we must recognize what it is that we ultimately want. Whether Christian or not, we need to relate with ‘sacrificial love‘, through living it. We first need to be ‘humble‘. Humility is the virtue that conceals all the other virtues. Humility is honesty.

    It’s said, even though God knows everything, He simply can’t understand why anybody would want to be in hell. It’s beyond bad, but in some ‘twisted’ way, they ‘like it‘! Everybody will ‘choose’ their own way, as to what they know and love. Here and now, those who know better, watch it. Those who don’t want to know better, beware. Either way, Jesus is a good Name to know and call as we die.

    Atheists have faith that there is no God. We cannot refute that it is by faith alone ultimately, that we know we existed even one second before ‘now’. Our immediate knowledge, that ‘I am’ is the only natural truth we know as certain. Being is truth. ‘I am’, is here and now, yet transcends even these things of time and space

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:03am

      You have a child’s understanding of Atheism.

      Atheism doesn’t have “faith” that there is no God, it has nothing to do with faith.

      By being an Atheist, I am simply rejecting your claim that there is a God because of lack of evidence.

      If I tell you that there is a unicorn behind you, and you say, “I don’t accept that claim.” do you then not have faith in the unicorn standing behind you? Of course not, that’s illogical.

      You based your refusal of my claim for a multitude of reasons
      1. It in of itself is a highly unlikely claim
      2. You could argue that you’ve never seen a unicorn before, so why would you then accept that a unicorn is behind you?
      3. You could actually turn around to see whether or not there is a unicorn there.

      None of those have to do with not having faith in a unicorn.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:42am

      Hey Mod,

      You really enjoy listening to yourself say the same crap over and over again, don’t you?

      Come on, the Unicorn thing again?

      Why do you always use the same tired old lines that are straight out of your atheist talking point instruction manuals.

      I’ve read most of them Mod, and you parrot them by rote.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:44am

      Oh, and that picture of Dickey Dawk creeps me out.

      There is something wrong with that dude.

      He is not right in the eye’s.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:28am

      “I think therefore I am” is the simplest evidence that we exist. Also, as I think so do others and there thoughts differ from my thoughts so they cannot be a product of my mind. So I can be assured others exist. For my mind to relate to other minds there must be some matter that exists for those minds to communicate their thoguths so I can be assured matter exists otherwise other minds would not be known. Since I can know others thoughts I know matter must exist. That matter could not have been created by my mind or other minds as we would have differing concepts about what that matter should consist of and in what laws therefore would govern its patterns so that minds could relate within it. Since matter assuredly exists and since it follows patterns and laws regardless of my thoughts or others thoughts I must then conclude that the matter that exists is independent of my thoughts and others. Unless matter be also animate and has thought then I must conclude that nonthought is incapable of giving rise to thought because the nonexistent cannot cause existence. Therefore I must conclude that a superior mind gave rise to both my mind and other minds and the matter through which those minds can relate by establishing set patterns and laws that are unchangeable by those minds. As it is completely logical that a superior mind can give rise to both inferior minds and matter thorugh which those inferior minds relate. thank you…

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:03am

      “ Therefore I must conclude that a superior mind gave rise to both my mind and other minds ”

      were this true, all parents would be smarter than their kids. since we know this is not true, your reasoning fails.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:48am

      @ PHILLY…I would assert your reasoning fails because a parents mind is not superior to a childs mind. We are not talking about intelligence my friend but what the capabilite are of the mind. Can you know all? Will a child’s mind become as yours when allowed to fully developement again not discussing the issue of actual intelligence, but what that mind is capable of and of course the answer is yes. Will your mind ever be capable of creating the animate? or matter? no Will a child be able to have thought such as its parent? yes will it be able to interact with that parents mind? Yes. I cannot interact with the mind that created my mind unless that superior mind makes it known because it is not bound withing the matter it created. So your rebuttal was logically flawed due to your presupposition that a childs mind is in some way inferior to the parents…Thank you.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 11:05am

      SLEAZE – fair enough. i would argue that no mind can create what you are alleging. you claim that a deity certainly could. since no one has ever witnesses such a thing i think it’s fair to say that such a claim is pure speculation, backed only by religious texts. this is where the debate typically stalemates, since neither side has any proof. or, one side tries to explain the unexplainable through deep philosophical analysis. the arguments get pretty mundane for me here though. you can feel free to try but typically it isn’t an area which i care to delve into.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 11:37am

      @ PHILLY….While I understand your position I think it then leaves you with the dilemma of explaining how the inanimate gave rise to the animate, how the nonconsious gave rise to the self-aware, how the nonthinking gave rise to the thinking. I believe my position is a more reasonable and logical one. I would also argue that there are many evidences beyond the religious texts, but I will only elaborate if you desire me to do so…Thank you….

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    • BuzzardSays
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:29pm

      Reply to ModerationIsBest,
      I do not believe you are an atheist. I beleive you are a pride filled know-it-all doubting Thomas.
      Your assertions are mouldy oldy trash and Richard Dawkins is your small g-god. He gives you the impetus and bravery to stand your fools ground over the eternal damnation you will merit.

      I am speaking as frankly as I can to a person who is not capable of grasping truth. In the Godly world you are a fool. And you thought you were the brightest bulb in the package. How can you become educated? Stop listening to fools who tickle your ear towards a continuation in un-belief and read the bible, reflect on these eternal truths and ask God for forgiveness.

      Eventually if you do become a follower of Jesus you will have to make a public witness of this truth before those who will ridicule you and revile your very existence. But then we are not greater than our master. What they did to Jesus you will also receive as his follower.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:19pm

      @ PHILLY…To quickly address the bibliographical line of evidence, which is usually not challanged by those who are aware of the evidence, we must understand that we are considering the number ofof copies of the orginal we possess and the time interval in the transmission from the orginal to the copy or manuscript (MS). Currently, the NT has more than 24,000 MSS with more being discovered periodically. This is more than all other works of antiquity combined. 10,000 Latin Vulagte, 5300 Greek MS, 9300 earlier versions. Homer’s The Iliad is second with 643 MS. Of the MSS I listed for the NT there is a textual accuracy rate of greater than 99.5%, which means that out of over 20,000 lines in the NT that only 40 lines are in question as to being in the original text. These are the accounts of the woman caught in adultery and the ending of Mark, both of which are clearly marked this way in most modern Bibles. With regard to time interval the majority of these MSS were written within 150 to 200 years of the original which is a very small time when you consider that The Iliad’s earlist copy is 500 years from the original and The Galic Wars is over 1000 years removed from the original (both accpeted as accurate reflections of their originals). In fact we have a portion of John dated to 150 AC which means it was written about 60 years after the original (impressive by any standard and it is accurate to our bibles today.) CONTINUED….

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    • KStret
      Posted on August 4, 2012 at 2:00am

      Mod,
      ‘By being an Atheist, I am simply rejecting your claim that there is a God”

      The definition of atheism is someone who believes there is no God.

      “because of lack of evidence.’

      An absence of evidence isn’t necessarily evidence of absence. There are many things that exists that we might not have had evidence for. A lack of evidence is not a rational reason to disbelieve in God.

      If anything a lack a evidence should lead you to a neutral position. If you believe that an absence of evidence is evidence of absence, make the case.

      Why are you regurgitating the same atheist cliches when you couldn’t address the criticisms of them before?

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    • KStret
      Posted on August 4, 2012 at 2:11am

      “You have a child’s understanding of Atheism.”

      The definition of atheism is someone believes that God doesn’t exist. What is so hard to understand about that?

      If you want to complicate the definition so you can feel smarter, you are free to do so, but do not attempt to denigrate someone by saying, “You are so stupid you don’t understand atheism.”

      To insult someone by pompously declaring that they have a child‘s understanding of atheism and to turn around and say that you don’t maintain that God doesn’t exist and them compare God to a winged monkey that just flew out of your back side, is the apotheosis of stupidity.

      I think that it is highly unlikely that God exists just like a think it’s highly unlikely that I might turn into a vampire tonight. You are not saying that it’s highly unlikely, you are saying that the concept of God is ridiculous and pretty much imposable.

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    • KStret
      Posted on August 4, 2012 at 2:18am

      “None of those have to do with not having faith in a unicorn”

      You are making the same fallacious argument that you know is predicated on logical fallacies. You are making the straw-man and a category error logical fallacies….again!

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    • KStret
      Posted on August 4, 2012 at 2:23am

      Buzz,
      He wants you to throw scripture at him. You are free to do that. However, the majority of points he is making are predicated on logical fallacies. Some times some people need to be tripped up in their own arguments before they will listen to scripture.

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    • Free2speakRN
      Posted on August 4, 2012 at 3:19am

      Mod:

      From your own mouth, ‘that I admire‘, is that you are honest enough to say, “I Don’t Know.” Thus, you strongly ‘believe’ there is no God.

      You have faith that there is no God, as much as I have faith that there Is a God.

      I follow your logic with the unicorn. Of course, reason must be used. In an extreme hypothetical situation, I would reason to the ‘point of death’ that the unicorn was not there.

      Yet, I put ‘faith’ in my reasoning skills. As well as the fact that, “I Don’t Know.” Even if I turned and saw the unicorn wasn’t there, I would have ‘faith’ in my ‘senses‘. Faith in all the above and more, bring me, certitude.

      I have faith that there, ‘Is’ a God. Personal experience, empirical, and logical rational, contain enough reasoning to keep me in, ‘Reason in the light of Faith’.

      A ‘true’ atheist makes people laugh, not so much because he insists there is no God, but that, ‘He Knows It for Sure‘.

      You, Mod, are not an atheist. You can be happy that you are an ‘agnostic’. You know you do not know for sure. A much more honest introspective look than that of a ‘true atheist’.

      In truth, if Dawkins claims to be an atheist, and, at once says, he doesn’t know for sure about God existing, he only ‘leans’ heavily to his claim.

      Of course, if you like these newer ‘watered down’ definition versions, call yourself, an ‘agnostic atheist‘. The movement now gives themselves ‘wider rang

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    • KStret
      Posted on August 5, 2012 at 1:04pm

      Free,
      “From your own mouth, ‘that I admire‘, is that you are honest enough to say, “I Don’t Know.” ”

      He is equivocating when he says he doesn’t know. When an atheists says they don‘t know that means they do know but they can’t 100% prove it. They will say they don‘t know if God exists just like they don’t know if you will turn into a werewolf tonight.

      “In truth, if Dawkins claims to be an atheist, and, at once says, he doesn’t know for sure about God existing, he only ‘leans’ heavily to his claim.”

      Mod like most internet atheist activists learned to say I don‘t know if God exists just like I don’t know if a fictitious straw-man monster exists from Richard Dawkins. The Dawkins equivocation technique is designed so the atheist can say he doesn‘t know if God exists to avoid the explanatory burden and at the same time state he doesn’t believe in God.

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    • Free2speakRN
      Posted on August 6, 2012 at 4:35am

      Kstret, Very good to meet you. Mod, if you are reading this, it was disappointing. You didn’t show the respect to me that I have fully given to you from the start. Talking in such an aloof way does nothing to raise your character. Quite contrary. We all fall, but we need to realize it. Peace.

      Kstet, When they say ‘I don’t know’, it would do them good to rest in that unknowingness. Some natural thinkers for a ‘long’ time have said, the height of knowledge is ‘I don’t know’, forgetting themselves, ‘I am‘. It can be a road to God, Himself. The Unknowable ‘I AM’.

      I see what you mean, how it unilaterally takes away their biggest burden. I was going by the older definitions, before Atheism was so in vogue. Now they mix up Atheism and Agnosticism together to give themselves a wider range of debate, but it’s nothing but stolen room. It is very lame if you ask me.

      It’s written that,(paraphrased) “It’s not that an unbeliever doesn’t or won’t believe, but that in truth, they ‘can’t’ believe.” The Atheist/Agnostic believer may likely need a broken heart to predispose themselves to transcend time and space for help, at first anyway. Ie. If knowing about DNA doesn’t do it!

      They seem to have a hard time with the word, faith. In heaven our faith will be replaced with Sight, ‘Knowledge’. Until then we have the ‘seal’ of the Holy Spirit that each must experience to ‘know’.

      Thanks for the help, K.
      Free2SpeakRN

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 10:37pm

      I had forgotten about this article until I came across it by clicking “atheism” in the hot topics things.

      If people are still viewing this article and interested, I can respond to your comments to me. That being said, I don’t want to type out long responses if no one is responding.

      If you want to continue this discussion, just leave a message and I will check this article later tonight.

      If no one responds, I‘ll assume that people aren’t coming to the article or that they aren’t interested.

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    • Free2speakRN
      Posted on August 9, 2012 at 9:33pm

      Mod, I’m here.

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  • v15
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 1:18am

    “Thank God For IEDS” !?!?! They celebrate death so much that I‘m surprised that they just protest and don’t go on a shooting rampage or bomb a building.

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  • Therightsofbilly
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:49am

    Mod,

    Seriously now, you have no duties?…….you have no practices?

    You are an evangelistic atheist.

    And an antagonistic atheist.

    If all you want is peaceful atheistic conversations, why do you come here?

    And by the way, my proof, (that you never acknowledged) that Monicne and Sleazyhippo are one in the same is back in this story………

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pat-robertson-dems-support-for-gay-marriage-may-be-a-political-death-wish/#comment-3835712

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  • Winedude
    Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:02am

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God?” Epicurus

    It’s pretty hard to “flip off god” since god doesn’t really exist!

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    • The Burning Sword
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 8:41am

      God gave us two precious gifts.
      1 Life
      2 Our free will.
      We were created for fellowship with God. Through the the gift of free will we can
      truly “choose” to love him.(or not)
      Without free will we would simply be pre programmed robots. No one wants to have to force their wives, children etc.. to love them.
      God is willing and God is able. He is perfect, His will is perfect — we are not, we are fallen and live in a fallen world(this is where the world’s problems lie). God does what he can within the boundaries that he himself set in place so that we can truly be free to choose his will over our own. This is why prayer is so important. When your will begins to line up with His will it causes Him to move on your behalf. (James 4:8 God) will not manifest in places where He is not welcome. Sadly he is not welcome in most places in society nowadays.
      The less the Spirit of God is drawn into this fallen world, the worse it will get.
      Please pray for Westboro. “They do not know what spirit they are of.” (Luke 9:55)
      “Judge not lest you be judged” (Matthew 7)
      Please recieve this in a kind manner. My heart is not to judge it is only to bring truth and hopefully
      help others find the peace and joy that I have found through the truth of my Lord Jesus Christ.

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    • The Burning Sword
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 8:48am

      @moderationisbest

      What if I told you there was a radio wave behind you?

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    • The Burning Sword
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 8:55am

      “Evidence”
      Jesus gave us more than enough evidence to support his claim
      that he was and is who he claimed to be through his miracles
      and his ressurection.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:07am

      Sword, please relay this information [evidence] here.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:08am

      BURNING – i’d hardly say that 3rd hand accounts from decades after the fact constitute evidence. or is there some video tape of Jesus walking on water that i don’t know about?

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:49am

      I see PHILLY must reject all works of antiquity as unreliable and untrustworthy. There are 3 areas of scholarly accpeted evidence, bibliographical, external and internal evidence, to establish the authenticity and validity of any work of antiquity. Do any of you wish to debate the bibliographical veracity of the bible? If so please indicate your argument and I will respond. If you concede this line of evidence then please so state and we can move on to the other 2 areas. Thank you ahead of time.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:05am

      SLEAZE – all i’m saying is that as evidence goes, it’s murky at best. the evidence for Jesus’ miracles would never stand up in a court of law. that certainly doesn‘t mean that it didn’t happen, but it makes it a harder pill to swallow.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 11:31am

      @ PHILLY…I would assert that the evidence for Jesus being who he claimed would most definitely stand up in a court of law as exceeding reasonable doubt. Thank you…Let’s put it to the test. Shall we start with bibliographical or do you accept that line of evidence as valid??

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:57pm

      SLEAZE – i think you need to explain what you mean. i‘m not sure i get where you’re coming from.

      btw, you are quite obviously an intelligent person, as most apologists are. yet i have a difficult time understanding how you accept certain evidences as legitimate. i can’t imagine a single potential piece of evidence for Biblical miracles, such as Jesus turning water into wine, walking on water, etc. so please elaborate.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:27pm

      @ PHILLY….The Iliad in contrast to the Iliad has almost 800 lines in doubt as to their inclusion in the original and yet The Iliad, The Galic Wars, Sophocles, Aristotle and on and on are accpeted as reliable scholarly even though they do not possess the same accuracy as the bible nor were they copied with in a sort of a time span as the NT. Another powerful line of evidence is the discovery of ever older MSS of the NT that have not demonstrated any difference in what we understand to be the NT as it is written in modern bibles. When the entire case is considered if one is to reject the bible on bibliographical lines of evidence, they must, to remain intellectual consistent, reject all other literary works of antiquity as fraudulant and untrustworthy. For this reason very few argue the bibles validity in this manner. Often you can recognize a novice in this field when someone makes the argument that it was written by men in the 4th or 5th century as they demonstarte their ignorance of the bibliographical evidence. Many who have studied this area rarely attack this portion of evidence. If you respond affirmatively we can move on to internal evidence and build a case for the integrity and reliability of the testimony within the bible…thank you for your time….

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:29pm

      Philly, I had a similar discussion with sleazy a while back, and couldn’t go on with it, and I think it was because of something similar to what you are saying here. I think you may have hit on it. Yes, an intelligent apologist, but with a disconnect as to what accounts for his “evidences”. There may BE extra-biblical references about the Jesus character, but there would be no way to test the “miracle claims” found in the approved Canonical works. And that is the main focus of a debate about “a possible supernatural entity”.

      And where it [whatever "it" is] MAY be “logical”, that doesn’t automatically mean it is the only [or even best] option. . . . . . or that it would work out in reality.

      But I am also [and have been] interested in seeing evidence for the specific god being. Unfortunately, only citing biblical works is circular logic.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:49pm

      @ PHILLY…To quickly address the bibliographical line of evidence, which is usually not challanged by those who are aware of the evidence, we must understand that we are considering the number ofof copies of the orginal we possess and the time interval in the transmission from the orginal to the copy or manuscript (MS). Currently, the NT has more than 24,000 MSS with more being discovered periodically. This is more than all other works of antiquity combined. 10,000 Latin Vulagte, 5300 Greek MS, 9300 earlier versions. Homer’s The Iliad is second with 643 MS. Of the MSS I listed for the NT there is a textual accuracy rate of greater than 99.5%, which means that out of over 20,000 lines in the NT that only 40 lines are in question as to being in the original text. These are the accounts of the woman caught in adultery and the ending of Mark, both of which are clearly marked this way in most modern Bibles. With regard to time interval the majority of these MSS were written within 150 to 200 years of the original which is a very small time when you consider that The Iliad’s earlist copy is 500 years from the original and The Galic Wars is over 1000 years removed from the original (both accpeted as accurate reflections of their originals). In fact we have a portion of John dated to 150 AC which means it was written about 60 years after the original (impressive by any standard and it is accurate to our bibles today.) CONTINUED…. sorry this should be before the first response.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 2:55pm

      @ DEVON…I am afraid your impatience is ill advised. It is not circular argumentation to establish the bible as a credible work or otherwise the discussion should stop immediately without even addressing its claims about miracles. Once the bible is demonstarted credible upon those things that are verified through numerous lines of evidence then we can begin to deal with the miracles themselves and the evidence that can be examined. I would say that to rush the case is a lack of understanding of the process and is rooted more in a prejudice than an objectivity. Thank you…

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 4:08pm

      Sleazy, if you are willing, I would like the past conversation to be “bygones”.

      I hear what you’re saying about bibliographical stories. Yes, one could state them as a point of evidence that something happened. Some event. It COULD be as simple as a fictional story that, through years of telling, became lost of its true intent and turned into a literal account. There would be no way to determine that today, of course. So what we have left with is . . . a group of stories, edited, worked, compiled into a Canon depending upon their popularity, and re-interpreted through the centuries into what we have today. Yes, . . . stories were written. Where they absolutely true? We cannot know that, now.

      What I’m more interested in is “today”. I am very interested in that which is beyond myself. To know there is something else has been my goal for a good portion of my life. I’ve yet to find it. What I DO see is the natural. . . . that which I can see, feel, hear, . . test, or other people test. If “the supernatural” can’t be made known to me on that level, I’m honestly at a loss as to how I can adopt it into my way of thinking with any sincerity. So, if you have something I can test, please point me in that direction. I’m not “anti-god”. I’m anti-“what others expect me to believe without credible evidence”. Thanks

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 5:09pm

      @ DEVON & PHILLY…thank you for your response . I gather you will agree that the NT we have today which is where the account of Jesus and his miracles inclluding his resurrection are in fact an accurate reflection of the originals, specifically the eyewitness accounts of Mark and Matt with Luke getting most of his information from Mark the disciple of Christ. One more thing you said give me something I can test. This is a curious question because it suggests that only testable evidence is evidence of reality and yet I am sure you believe in evolution? You cannot give me any evidence I can test but only point to evidence and interpret what it means, agreed?
      Now on to the main point of evidence. Of all archeological evidence can you point to on example that shows the bible account to be in error. For a long time the bible was ridiculed for many things being myths such as Jericho (discovered and accurately supporting the bible description), Sodom and Gomorrah (most likely discovered and as the bible describes down to the large doors described in the Genesis account of Lot’s house), to Arad, Bethel, Capernaum, Chorazin, Dan, Ephesus, Gaza, Gezer, Hazor, Hesbon, Joppa, Nineveh, Shechem, and Susa as a partial list of accurately biblical described cities, locations, and details. Do you agree that the bible has been proven accurate again and again with archeology with not one instance of a false account? Thank you I will continue after you respond…

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 6:23pm

      I cannot agree to the veracity of what was written about in the New Testament. From what I understand, there are no originals of those manuscripts, and even if there were, all you have are stories that very well could have been . . . stories about some legendary figure ~ 50 years prior. People are all about “the tall tale”, so I cannot agree to the NT as an accurate depiction of actual events of that time.

      As for archeological evidence of biblical stories, it wouldn’t surprise me that those area are spoken of from people who lived in those areas. Art imatates life. Many works of fiction did the same thing, including ones with supernatural themes.

      As for evolution, I’m going to have to bow to those who are evolutionary biologists and what they conclude from their experimentations in various fields [genetics, paleontology, etc]. What they have discovered [particularly in gene research] has been illuminating. But even so, I’m not outspoke about “the truths of evolution”.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 6:44pm

      I just established the veracity for the NT being an accurate reflection of the original in the above posts. Its mountain of evidence is of such a nature that to deny its reliability would mean to remain consistent you must reject all works of antiquity. That is why I was making that argument that you wanted to rush through and skip over. Now you see why I did it? It is the most reliable work of antiquity in existence as far as being accurate reflections of the original. Do you reject The Gallic Wars? How about Josephus? Where do you get your history of ancient things? All of it is invalid if you rejct the NT based upon bibliographical evidence. You also keep wanting to jump ahead and claim they are just made up stories. You must relax and be pateint because I am building the case to illustrate that they could not be made up stories, but reflect actual events in a logical step wise fashion. Your resistence to a well thought out progressive case without objectively considering and evaluating what I am communicating in a step wise fashion to reach a very logical conclusion is inhibiting this exercise. So you agree that archeology has not produced ONE example of a false account in the bible to date? You agree that while men mocked certain aspects of the bibles accounts they have actually been proven wrong by recent archeological discoveries? As for evolution it cannot be tested nor will it ever be able yet science says it is real. Do you accept this assertion?

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 7:00pm

      @ DEVON…..Your premature assertion that art immitates life before examining evidence objectively demonstrates your prejudice in this exercise. Take “the cities of the plain” for instance described in Genesis including both Sodom and Gomorrah have been discovered with a very unusual sulfur and ash layer at all 5 city locations. While sulfur does occur naturally this sulfur has been determined to be quite unique in composition that it does not exist anywhere else in the world at this point. Was this art immitating life or an accurate account of a historical event? I will expound on Jericho next if you desire. thank you….

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 7:25pm

      @The Burning Sword – Sure god gave us free will… under the threat of an eternity burning in hell. Sounds like the type of freedom enjoyed in North Korea.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 8:55pm

      Jericho was discovered and found to have heavily fortified walls, it was burned by fire as described in Joshua, the destruction was dated to 1400 BC exactly when the bible said it occured, many jars full of grain were discovered which coincided with the biblical account that harvest had just been taken in, the only portion of the wall that was found standing was a small northern wall section as indicated that Rahab lived on the northern wall and she and all in her household would be safe during the seige, and the grain left behind would coincide with the fact the Israelites obeyed and did not take any plunder for themselves as detailed in Joshua. Art immatating life or real historical account confirmed in detail by archeology? Thank you….

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:36pm

      In addition to many archeological proofs there are numerous detailed prophecies. Isaiah alone has numerous detailed prophecies about Christ and simply trying to argue they were fulfilled by NT writers lQQking back on Isaiah is an inadequate explanation given the enigma of what many of those prophecies even meant or how they would be fulfilled. Secondly, if they simply made those up then why did Jews (Pharisees) who knew what the OT scriptures taught and would have seen Jesus and his miracles as eyewitnesses put their faith in him and follow him knowing that he did not in fact fulfill those prophecies? Why did Josephus confirm these things? Was he also part of the conspiracy that fooled an entire nation of Jews including those who were not sympathetic to Jesus and his message? How could the apostles teach what they did if it was common knowledge that the miracles did not happen? Was Josephus in on the conspiracy? Was Josephus accounts just made up 400 years later by a group of men? If the prophecies were not fulfilled but made up by men later then how do we account that Josephus confirms Jesus was crucified? Psalm 22 is a prophecy about crucifixion 1000 years before crucifixion was even invented. How did the NT writers convince the Romans to join in on their conspiracy and implement this form of execution to help them fool everyone? Thank you….

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  • BIGWUN
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 11:46pm

    I’m a Christian but I am curious about this comment. Did all 3 members of Westboro church weigh in on this or is this the action of a rogue member?

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    • The Burning Sword
      Posted on August 4, 2012 at 9:14am

      @Holy Ghost Buster
      The difference.
      North Korea does not offer freedom. God does.
      God gave his life for you to have relationship with him. The dictators in N. Korea
      will not do this.
      You Will serve a master. It may be yourself. I for one, have tired of serving
      myself. It has only brought me grief and suffering. I have found true freedom
      comes from Jesus. He is the one who created it.

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  • john vincent
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:54pm

    Its an age old circular argument.
    -There are atheists
    -there are believers
    -there are intelligent atheists
    -there are idiotic believers
    -there are idiotic atheists
    -there are intelligent believers.
    -there are evolutionists
    -there are creationists
    -there are theistic evolutionists
    on and on; none will be convinced otherwise….
    unless
    there is a revelation to the mind and heart that proves the oppposite.

    what is right is solely up to you. No need to accuse or slander. We both can be wrong, but we cannot both be right. I would be concerned about they who held a position but changed it based on a serious desire for what is truth.

    Having said this, there really is no true atheist in the pure sense of the word. ‘the fool said in his heart….there is no GOd,’ It is a matter of denial. But the professing believer fares not much better, for he is told, ‘depart from me, I NEVER knew you…’ Plenty of blame to go around. I find Mr Dawkins to be a bore,and to be fair, have no use for Benny Hinn and co.

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    • jzs
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 11:16pm

      john vincent, good post.

      I’d only say that Richard Dawkins, although an atheist, is known as much for his books on evolution, such as the Selfish Gene. Few people who understand the genetic basis for for evolution doubt the truth of that explanation for the diversity of life on Earth.

      And that includes the educated religious, who don’t believe there is a conflict between evolution and scripture properly interpreted. Nor does it mean those who believe in evolution deny the truth of the ethical teachings taught in scripture.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:34am

      JZSaul,

      Trying to form your own little mutual admiration society?

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  • ModerationIsBest
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:48pm

    @STE

    What the hell is a devout Atheist?

    Devout infers to fulfilling obligations, duties and practices, USUALLY in reference to a religion.

    As an atheist, I have no obligations to be devout to
    I have no duties, I have no practices.

    I am an Atheist because I reject the claims of people who say, “There is a God.”

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  • Individualism
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:33pm

    Godless and Free is the way some folks want to be including me, goverment is an authority hard enough to deal with.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:56pm

      I agree, although I”m not sure of the point of this project.

      If religious leaders are wanting to leave their church, why don’t they just do it?

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:07am

      MOD, look into it. i met 2 members at the Reason Rally. it’s a very difficult thing to leave the profession. it’s their only skill, so finding work is often a problem. also, they need counseling as how to best go about leaving, if they decide to leave at all. they are often ostracized by their community, and worse, their family. it’s a forum for them to interact with those in the same situation, discuss their mutual challenges, and hopefully find gainful employment. put yourself in the shoes of an Atheist pastor for a minute and see how much you have to lose by coming out Atheist.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:22am

      Such family members can be heartless b@stards, can’t they? I know of those who left the faith and were “disowned” by their family. A person can’t “JUST believe , . . . JUST because”, so anyone who faults them for doing so is abusive. Period.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:35am

      i know DEAVON, and i am lucky that my own parents were not that way. i told them while in high school that i didn’t believe in God. my Dad didn’t seem to give a hoot (he was never very religious, although he was a practicing Jew) and my Mother just thought it was a phase that i’d grow out of. still today, she hopes that i’ll “see the light”, but she accepts and loves me nonetheless.

      however, it’s particularly difficult for a religious leader to admit their lack of belief. their followers will no doubt feel betrayed, and there anger can almost be justified. i mean, they have been misled and lied to, and by of all people a Preacher! once can almost empathize with their parishioners when something like that occurs.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:57am

      Philly, . . . I have not told my parents. They’re fairly old and my mom had a stroke a few years ago. Mostly, I don’t want her to “grieve for her child who’s going to hell”. That’s the most sad part about those who can no longer “believe”. One decision can “break the heart” of another. Very sad. But that’s the case with most in the religion. They have no REAL evidential support for their beliefs, but only believed the words of other people who made a SERIOUS claim about “those who don’t believe go to hell for all eternity”. That level of indoctrination is hard to overcome.

      I can see this being even greater for church pastors/leaders who discovered they had no grounds for a real “belief”.

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  • Stelex
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:23pm

    You’re the fool, you know you can prove France, I can call there today. Give God a call, or better yet have him call me. Arogance belongs to both ends of the spectum. Those who have blind faith and those who would seemingly know the opposite. I allow for a God, and I allow for other options. I would never be so arrogant to assume I know the meaning of life, the universe and everything. Prove me wrong, fool

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  • christhefanatic
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:21pm

    To quote the Dalai Lama of Tibet, when an interviewer questioned his faith,…Well, if I’m wrong…if I”m wrong…well, I’ll never know it, will I?”

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  • janedough1
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:17pm

    Oh for pity’s sake, why are ya’ll paying any attention or time to this sideshow put on by the Democratic Party? Fred Phelps has run for governor of Kansas on the Democratic ticket five times, and has no visible means of support. Who do you think buys his plane tickets and keeps the lights on in that compound of his? Dawkins and Phelps? Wasn’t one of them enough of a freak show alone?

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  • P C BE DAMNED
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:13pm

    I’ve never been to France but I believe there is a France. Why, because of evidence. I also believe in the God of the Bible because of evidence. It is not blind faith for a thinking person. FOOL

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  • Johnny916
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:57pm

    I support what Dawkins and these groups are doing. Atheist and other non-religious people need to unite and to promote reason and science. Religion is a cancer upon humanity which needs to be destroyed. Westboro Church is just terrible.

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  • ENIGMA28724
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:52pm

    Whatever. Have they run out of real American hero funerals to protest at or are they afraid of the Patriot Guard? I hear the Hell’s Angels are out to get them as well.

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  • kaydeebeau
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:46pm

    God will not abide sin. Don’t know what God considers sin? Read the Book. Don’t like what you read? Have a long conversation with the Author.

    Westboro – your fruit is rotten. Praying for you

    Dawkins – praying for you

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    • jrmartin
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:53pm

      Richard Dawkins is a sexual pervert. He loves strip clubs, lap dancing and paying the girls to do other things! He is proud of it.

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    • Johnny916
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:59pm

      “Richard Dawkins is a sexual pervert. He loves strip clubs, lap dancing and paying the girls to do other things! He is proud of it.” Where in the world did you hear this? I highly doubt Dawkins is a pervert. Do you have evidence against him? Sounds like what you said is a lie.

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    • Winedude
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:11am

      @JRMartin…who cares if he goes to strip clubs, enjoys lap dances or enjoys some time with the ladies (whether he’s paying for it or not)? The only people who might actually care are people so hung up in their own beliefs that they feel some sort of need to denigrate those who don’t have similar beliefs or values. God won’t care what he does…a vengeful God doesn’t exist except in the minds of very small-minded people who hate that someone might be having more fun than they’re having.

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  • FREEDOMoverFEAR
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:44pm

    I‘m atheist is that why I’m punished with a beautiful wife, two children, and two businesses?

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    • otoko
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:53pm

      The devil promised Jesus all riches of the world if he would only bow down and worship him. Now what was your question again?

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    • oneshiner
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:06pm

      Good reply. There is nothing about the westboro that represents our Lord & Savior.
      They are just hateful people who use a church’s name. In name only, not Godly at alol.

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    • Johnny916
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:11pm

      We must be reading different bibles then. I have read the bible and the God of the bible has killed all kinds of people and promises to send believers to hell. How is that love when people, animals, and the Earth are suffering?

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 9:02am

      OTOKO, can you figure out the part of that story that should make you realize why it never happened?

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  • christhefanatic
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:42pm

    I find stories like this disturbing. Actually, I, in a way, like it when satan rears his ugly head like this, or the ACLU etc…because it only confirms what I already believe…ol’ Scratch is in a fury because he knows his time is short. But I think it isn’t so good for Christians to respond sometimes. These atheists haven‘t a clue and don’t know they haven’t a clue. They, like the rest of us, are in God’s hands and He can turn them around…or do them up right. Kind of up to Him.

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  • Nebraskatypewriter
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:33pm

    The Westboro Baptist Church is comprised of approximately forty persons, and many of them appear to be members of the same family. They get entirely too much publicity for their antics, which gives them the appearance of holding significance, when they clearly do not.

    The less attentions they receive, the sooner they will crawl back into the darkness which birthed them.

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:21pm

    …
    Westboro members are ten times worse than any of the people they protest.

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    • P C BE DAMNED
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 9:37pm

      They are of a small % that have caused me to think. I really would like to understand where they are coming from. When every media comes down so hard as they have on these people, I want to know more. I am not a follower. I will not comply or deny anyone until I have all the information I need. And I hope you don’t like it.

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    • MyzPhoenyx
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:26pm

      PC
      Yes they are a small percentage. But the vile hatred that they display on a regular basis is not right. Not even by Christian standards. Their foul brand, either can‘t see or don’t care about the damage that they do to non believers with their vitriolic media hounding. Or they revel in the grief that they cause. The media seems to eat it up when they get out there saying horrible things. It allows the people that view these things, to paint all Christians in that same hateful shade. They are left wing, hateful, nasty people, that I wouldn’t want to spend any time “getting to know”. Phelps-Roper is one of those people that makes me regret sharing a species with her.
      “Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.“ ”Without love, we are as sounding gongs and clanging cymbals” These people seem to have forgotten that everything that we do, is supposed to be out of love and the desire that God shared with us. That He doesn’t wish that any would suffer damnation. We’re supposed to be a light in the darkness, not some hollow, evil sounding wind bag that seems hellbent on driving wedges between God and His children.

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 10:43pm

      I dunno, their brand of Christianity is at least honest in their hatred. You don’t get the feel good, “hate the sin, love the sinner“ ”open your heart and let Jesus in” platitudes. The, “Jesus loves you….but if you don‘t accept him you’re going to hell” psycho babble.

      Their form of Christianity is as I think BADDOGGY on here states, “Turn or Burn.” They relish in the fact that in their belief people who don’t accept Jesus are going to burn forever.

      Let me ask you this

      Westboro Baptists believes regular Christians are going to suffer an eternity in hell for their brand of Christianity.
      Westboro Baptists believes Richard Dawkins is going to suffer an eternity in hell for being an Atheist.

      Regular Christians believe that unless Westboro Baptists church turns away from their brand of Christianity, that they’ll go to hell for an eternity of punishment.
      Regular Christians believe that unless Richard Dawkins repents and asks Jesus to be his lord and savior, that he’ll go to hell for an eternity of punishment.

      Richard Dawkins doesn’t think either regular Christians, or the Westboro Baptists church loons are going to a place called hell for an eternity of punishment.

      Who’s the more moral person here?

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    • MyzPhoenyx
      Posted on August 2, 2012 at 11:04pm

      Do you want to know my honest take? I hope that no one goes to hell. I hope that everyone realizes that we were put on this earth to help each other out, not to judge and beat everyone down. I pray for revival and rejuvenation. I don’t even hate the people at the Westboro cult, I hate what they do. They drive wedges between God and those that are struggling. I watched it happen with a friend of mine. She despises Westboro for their blatant hatred.
      Love the sinner, hate the sin. What do you think God does with us? What do you think that our parents do with us, when we’re raging punks? They hate what we’re doing. But they love us. I love my son, but I still get angry when he acts like a bully. If I won’t tolerate that kind of nasty behavior out of my own son, why would I even consider tolerating it from people, that I feel, are twisting the Bible into what they want to to be.
      Yes, these are my opinions. But just so you know, I’m honest about not hating people for being flawed. I’d pretty much have to live my life in abject misery in my own skin if I felt that way! I dislike how a person acts, or how a person treats those around them. I dislike being told that I’m a “loon” for believing in something that someone else doesn’t. If that’s the case, we’re all loons, because someone is always going to disagree with us vehemently in some area of belief.
      I do not believe, not for a minute, that we’re supposed to be so hateful to those around us.

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    • SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
      Posted on August 3, 2012 at 12:03pm

      @ MODERATION…I guess it would suppose if hell was real or not, agreed?

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    • The Burning Sword
      Posted on August 4, 2012 at 4:08pm

      I agree

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