Florida Church Vows to Burn Koran Despite Plea From Petraeus
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A 50-member church in Gainesville, Florida is suddenly front and center in the war on terror. The pastor’s plan to burn copies of the Koran on the anniversary of 9-11 has stirred intense reaction.
Update: Glenn Beck checked in from vacation with some thoughts on this story. Read what he has to say here.
Today in Kabul, hundreds gathered to protest. Getting a jump on things, they burned an effigy of the Pastor Terry Jones.
And now Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in the Afghanistan, is saying that the church’s plan could endanger the lives of American troops in the region. He told the Wall Street Journal:
“It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.”
The protest in Kabul today might be a foreshadowing.
Even so, the Pastor Jones and his congregants at the Dove World Outreach center plan to follow through with their plan despite the plea from Gen. Petraeus.
“We understand the General’s concerns. We are sure that his concerns are legitimate.” Nonetheless, he added, “We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam. We will no longer be controlled and dominated by their fears and threats.”
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Comments (866)
anna8
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:35pmIam sorry to hear the minister will encourage this,I believe we are in the very last days,but these last days can go for years,by them doing this makes them in control and not allowing God to handle this His way. We need to pray for these people and pray God will do His punishment to them,we are not to retaliate,God is not leading them to do this.
Report Post »rush
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:33pmPerfect timing! Burn those books! show your so called civilization, your tolerance and your higher morals. We miss the middle ages…
Here’s a couple tips:
Report Post »1- The islamic civilization started deteriorating the moment they started burning books. The same books smuggled into christian europe that helped spark the renaissance.
2- Islamic terrorist use the same justification for their heinous acts: “well since they kill our innocents in wars, then we can kill their innocents too”.. forgetting that their own religion, forbids them to kill the innocent. I‘m sad that we’re starting to use the same arguments too: “well you couldn’t have freedoms in Saudi Arabia, why should they have it here? well they burn our flags so we must burn their sacred books!”
3- When was the last time you saw any image or video of muslims burning the bible or the torah?? please post if you ever see one. That’s because their problem is NOT with the religions, it’s with the policies and the government..
pnimmo
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:49pm@rush…….“policies and the government”? You need to read more.
Report Post »notimeforthis
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:00pmOkay it is legal to burn the Koran, just like it’s legal to build a Mosque at Ground Zero.
Report Post »However, you are saying that we should be considerate. Americans should not consider morally offending them .
Can we ask them to return the consideration, or are we the only ones that have to take the high road.
I think the reson for this story is self-evident. Don’t you?
plunderpower
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:16pmWhere were you Nov 5th, 2009, when U.S. soldiers were murdered on American soil by the religion of peace in the name of Allah?
Report Post »duncan
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:00pmI think you need to turn off the tv and do a little studying. There are no Bibles allowed in a Muslim country under penalty of death. Muslim is not only a religion it is a culture. You are raised from birth to be a Muslim and know the Koran. A Muslim cannot be sure of his entrance into paradise unless he blows himself up in the name of Allah. Ask any real Muslim and he will tell you that their whole life is about works and how they are never sure if they have been good enough. This one act puts them in the” Hall of Allah.”
Report Post »StupidWindmill
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:25am@Duncan
Or maybe you should look at more than one source. Christianity is just as much a culture as Islam.
And maybe you should make distinctions between Culture and Religion. As always culture trumps religion no matter what, contradictions and all.
Report Post »ann123
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:33pmburn baby burn .. why maybe the people will see the truth about islam . there is no peace with islam . look around the world, who is doing all the violence . not isreal or americans or christians. they burn bibles all the time
Report Post »2cool4mn
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:32pmI would venture to say that this is not a church that is preaching Christianity. In what reality is burning any holy book of another culture a good idea??? It makes me think that maybe–just maybe–it is an intentional act to get something violent started. This is not about fear, this is about poking a viper in the eye. We should all be asking what is their end objective in this action?
Report Post »pelajus
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:09pm@2cool4mn ” In what reality is burning any holy book of another culture a good idea???”
In what reality? Try, the Bible, as it is there that you will find the precedent for the burning of evil materials:
“And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified . And many that believed came , and confessed , and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together , and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.” Acts 19:17-19
Report Post »Iridescent
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:06pmTaking your example, here, pelajus, who exactly was doing the burning? It was those who previously believe and adhered to the books’ content, and presumably owned the books themselves. Once convicted of their evil, the books were burned by their converted owners. It’s the same act as what is taking place in Gainseville, but carries a much different meaning and tone.
Report Post »L00k_@r0und
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:06amOk so as not to offend anyone, 11 US soldiers and one little boy woke up on Nov.5 2009 in Fort Hood TX. To assume their everyday duties and in the childs case a trip to see Dad. Well around 3 o’ clock all these ppl were dead. A father left without a son, families destroyed and Patriots killed all in the name of Mohammed and Islam. Sept.11 2001. 2977 ppl along with19 Islamic terrorist died in the name of Islam. 9\129. Pictures of Afghani and lebonese crowds cheering and chanting joyfully at what THEIR ppl had done and compltely condoning the senseless death of those human beings. Barrack Obama and some of you Myspace Hippies would love everyone to believe that Islam is a understanding and peacefull religion… Well facts are facts and when over half of the worlds terrorists are Islamic Extremists it’s kinda hard to see just how much these ppl believe in peace. Also not to mention their entire civilization and religion has done nothing but war with every outsider they come across… So allow me to ask this, It is ok to build a Mosque a block away from where the WTC used to be all so these hate mongers can pray to Mohammed and Mecca all the while praising their fallen brethern who killed 2977 americans and non Americans. Also publicly burn the Torah, Kaballah, Bibles, try to say that the Nazi Hollocaust was a ploy by the west to gain sympathy for Jews? And you ppl of cybersp pplace want to mock up the deaths of 2989 Innocent ppl and that’s just on soil, to some backwards Gainsville church who wants to burn 50 copies of the Koran. All to put it in the face of Radical Islam. The whole while Islam is putting up a center for terror exploitation to enrage and defile the American ppl. Tell me 2 wrongs aren‘t right but what’s the lesser of two evils?
Report Post »ILLhunter
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:35amThe point is to kill the viper!
Report Post »CALIDUDE
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:32pmThey have the same rights the Ground Zero Mosque builders do.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:32pmIrrespective of where you stand on this…….. people are going to die. To the Pastor I would ask are you willing to sacrifice your children to make your point, if not don’t be so cavalier with the lives of children of others.
Report Post »pnimmo
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:42pmPaperpusher, you probably support the ground zero mosque too……we’re not buying the “moral highground” crap from you liberals anymore.
Report Post »plunderpower
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:32pmThat took a lot of stupidity to post. Your religion of peace and in the name of Allah had one of their warriors murder U.S. soldiers on American soil. Muslims called him a hero for the Ft. Hood Massacre. You have no guarantees of anything concerning your children. Where would this nation be if men like John Gabriel Muhlenburg hid instead of calling out 300 men to fight the British and who became one of George Washington’s most trusted Generals? When are you going to stand for something instead of cowering under a post.
Report Post »Jcannon98042
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:33pmI don’t know if this guy is a progressive or not. If he supports the Ground Zero mosque or not. But I DO think that if you support these idiots burning the Koran then you might as well support the mosque at Ground Zero also.
I for one denounce both the mosque and the Koran-Burning. Just because you Can does not mean you should. Well shoot, I don’t think you even should be able to. I believe your freedom to speech ends when you knowingly put other people‘s life’s in danger.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:39pmDear PNIMMO: What is the source of this insight. I write a few lines and you think you know all about me.You are truly a national treasure.
Report Post »GraceSullivan
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:03amPaperpushermj – you are so right, this group is putting other peoples children, husbands, fathers at risk. My husband came back from Afghanistan in March. Each day he was there was pure torture for me and our children. These muslims will most likely kill some of our troops over this group having a burn the koran day. The “pastor”, does not realize how much grief the parents, wives and children go through while their loved one is over there. Trouble sleeping, searching the internet and news when you hear about deaths in Afghanistan on the news, waiting. hoping and praying for a phone call from them so you know they are safe. Pure torture!
Report Post »alienguns
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:08pmstand for something, or fall for anything…these people couldn’t hate us anymore than they already do….all civilized countries should kick their stupid arses back to the middle east to raise goats and ride camels……….I have never hated any group of people, but these clowns are pushing my limits!!
hiramsmaxim
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:31pmwell let it be what ever it is they have the right just like a mosque @ 9/11 zone, sure draw out the war let it be, might as well wring out the rag and let the muslim agenda begin. quit fing with us.
Report Post »GraceSullivan
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:31pmThese muslims hated America and wanted death to America long before this group of people decided to burn the korans. I say group of people because a God fearing church would not take this stand and they are only doing this to gain publicity..A peaceful loving “religion” would not be building a mosque at ground zero. They would move it out of love and respect for the victims families. Both of these groups are hate filled.
Report Post »ENOUGHISENOUGH
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:28pmI’m curious. How did the people in Kabul find out about a small church in Gainesville, FL? This whole situation makes me very uncomfortable.
Report Post »dlloftin
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:37pmIt’s called media and world news. Not all of Afghanistan is undeveloped.
Report Post »behonest
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:29amIt has been on Rick’s list (cnn) all week and now MSNBC stirring the pot. They are not standing up for his freedom of speech or his right to burn the Koran so which is it. First I heard Petraus toalked with Wall street Journal now it is the AP. I am surprised we don’t have an audio of this.
Glenn hit it spot on, He said what I have been saying That Pastor has the right to free speech but it is not the right thing to do with our soldiers still in battle. Pro Mosgue crowds do you hear me NOW!!!
Report Post »EthicsGirl
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:28pmClearly something fishy here. This “church” is creepy, and has a history. They picketed a gay pride parade with signs like “**** leads to Hell”, they stirred up controversy with anti-islamic signs and actual tee-shirts that children wore to school (and were sent home, but later supported by the ACLU)….The worst was from the following article, which describes how the church would bring people in from other countries on a religious visa and have them work in their “for-profit” ebay furniture business at no cost to the church. http://www.gainesville.com/article/20091004/articles/910041002
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:28pmThere is a positive side to this. Those Muslims burning effigies and burning our flag are taking time out from stoning women to death and taking time out from cutting the noses and ears off little girls. By the good graces of Allah maybe those Muslims will forget to return to maiming and killing women and girls.
I am thinking if we held Koran burnings each day, we could spare a lot of Muslim women and girls from being maimed and killed.
Okpulot Taha
Report Post »Choctaw Nation
missmarie
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:40pmAm I some sick, twisted, freak if I find your response a tad bit amusing? ‘Cause I do.
Report Post »smartypoop
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:57pmI think you have a point there….anything to save those poor women from torture! Im not sure if it would work for the long term, they might get tired of burning things and long for the days when they used to abuse their women, you know how nostalgic folks can get…
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:05pmMISSMARIE comments, “Am I some sick, twisted, freak if I find your response a tad bit amusing? ‘Cause I do.”
Black Humor. This is an art of finding humor within the darkest of circumstances. My husband used this art to better survive his combat tour of duty over in Vietnam. This Black Humor ability is a type of mental discipline; laughing at the most dire of situations.
Black Humor most often sends a sincere message. In this case, the treatment of women by Islam.
Okpulot Taha
Report Post »Choctaw Nation
Joanninna
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:15pmWELL SAID! AMEN!
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:18pmSMARTYPOOP quips, “…they might get tired of burning things and long for the days when they used to abuse their women, you know how nostalgic folks can get.”
Yes. Distracting Muslim men from abusing women might have those boys feeling emasculated. Our causing those macho Muslim men to feel sissified would be insensitive of us, would not be politically correct and bound to send Obama off on another World Apology Tour.
Okpulot Taha
Report Post »Choctaw Nation
A1955Rosie
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:17pmIt‘s the first good chuckle I’ve had all night. Sometimes I fear speaking out but then I know to remain silent is sinfully wrong.
Report Post »smartypoop
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:27pmAlthough I disagree with what they are planning to do (hate burning books of any kind), it is free speech. If the general is correct, they will have blood on their hands, and I hope they are prepared to live with that.
Report Post »It’s good to know however, that burning the flag and an American in effigy is significant enough an action to take a general away from his duties to argue with a minister about a Constitutional right.
I think this is the same methodology as the mosque, you have the constitutional right to build it, but it’s really ******* folks off. And yet….
patriot4ever
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:27pmIf it’s not illegal to burn the US Flag or The Holy Bible, it sure isn’t illegal to burn that other book. If the left wants freedom of expression it applies to all of us…not just people they may agree with. Of course they‘ll try to apply some kind of racial connotation to this but it’s not that at all. They might be right about one thing, this may be a Holy War in the end and I’m glad to be on the side of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »TheCobra
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:29pmAmen!
Report Post »rocktruth
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 6:12am@ TheCobra – I agree that it feels like we are being pushed into a corner by a bully who seems to be winning and gets away with the things we fight for here in America, like freedom of speech. But we need to take the high road on this one. Turn the other cheek.
I am too glad to be on the winning side of Jesus Christ, but look at His own words:
Matthew 5
9 Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
5:11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Report Post »ILLhunter
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:41amBZ…As Glenn said “that I firmly believe that He is on my side.”
Report Post »For those of you who shrink from violence and fear the threats of our enemy, know that “rough men stand ready to do evil deeds to protect you”
pscully17
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:26pmfor ALL the Bashing Jesus Christ and Christians and GOD himself take, world wide, and for ALL the Flag Burning, and George Bush Burning, and Smashing Planes into an Iconic symbol of America, then sticking their Finger in our eyes, and trampeling ALL over the death site where 3000+ Americans Died, with the proposal of a PERMANENT SYMBOL OF VICTORY for the ISlamic world, lets really Jump down the throats of a Church of 50 people expressing their views on a book! Like the Holy Bible hasnt been Blasphemied 1000x over! IM with the Church and freedom of speech on this one!!!
Report Post »Iridescent
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:47pmJesus did get “bashed”. He didn’t bash back.
Report Post »plunderpower
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:25pmDon’t forget the murder of U.S. soldiers on American soil by a member of the religion of peace in the name of Allah. It wasn’t Christians that carried out the Ft. Hood Massacre.
Report Post »Iridescent
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:46pmYou are right. And Christians will not help anyone, especially themselves, by responding to those horrible acts in this way.
Report Post »TheCobra
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:28pmDitto to you pscully17!! When people are backed into a corner, there is no way to go but towards the trouble. Christians have been PUSHED to this point! Its not our fault, nor the way we want it. Its what tyranny will do to a peaceful people and it is time for this peaceful people to defend what is right. The line has been drawn.
Report Post »PatientPup
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 4:55amI think the Glenn Beck response to this is dead on, sure you are allowed to do this but for what purpose? It will accomplish nothing. No minds will be changed. The only outcome will be to show the intolerance of a few in a country that promotes tolerance. Is Islam a danger to us? Maybe, It certainly is if it is allowed to take over and replace our Christian ideals. Is this burning going to stop those that want that outcome? I would have to guess NO. Once again a few want to try to prove a point and although this is not the route most Americans would take, the media will force this into the forefront of the news and make a huge story out of something that if left alone would have passed by without much notice except to the few locals either participating or directly opposed. With all the other issues for our Country to deal with, this is a few people trying to get some “airtime”.
Report Post »Dotty4CommonSense
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:34pmNOT the right attitude — Christians must prove they are better than the Muslim radicals. If they don’t listen to Patraes, I worry what might happen to hurt our troops. Put the troops first!
Report Post »Pierce
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:26pmOk I’m a Vet and I have to back the General on this one. Burning the Koran in no way say anything that can’t be said with words.
I don’t believe in Burning Books no matter how much I might want to make a statement by doing it. We are at war with nut cases who abuse the Koran. No all of the Muslim word.
If you want to fight the bad guys JOIN THE SERVICE. Burning books is a cowards way of defending his nation.,
Report Post »Pierce
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:30pmthat should have read – not all of the Muslim world
Report Post »duncan
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:27pmYour a fake vet. You could not have served in the actual field. If you fear Muslims living in Iraq how would you have had the courage to even leave your base. You are a fake vet.
PAAM
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 7:29amAgree w/Glenn & the General. We’re fighting a war for the hearts & minds here & abroad! I’m praying for the leaders of that church community to re-examine their event & ask, “What would Jesus do?“ ”Do we want to use negative tactics of the past or be an example for the future?”
Report Post »The sad thing is the media will use this to feed the negative perceptions of Americans.
Where is the Black Robe Regiment on this?? Please stand up!
BlazerMan
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:26amDear Sir; Through the statements that appear in the Constitution, that say that we have the right to express our beliefs, I do not think burning the Bible’s of other religions, are burning the flags of other countries is the right thing to do.
Report Post »ILLhunter
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:23amI served over 8 years, You? I say that if you want to be rid of hornets, poke a stick in the nest and pick them off as they exit their lair. The Army and Marines are not there to “nation Build” but to seek out and destroy our enemies. If you can’t tell the bad guys from the civilians, stir the pot. Patreaus has become the the typical general, concerned more with his future than with the present. I say that their book is nothing but propaganda for their side. I strongly suggest we tie the Fort Hood shooter to a post and put a target over his heart. I’ll volunteer for the squad. And yes, I pray for my buddies and all the troops in harm’s way. But I know why they went, and they won’t be saddened by book burnings!
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 7:37pmI too am a vet, as a matter of fact I retired from the Army after 20 years. I agree 100% and am against burning the Koran. As I posted at another location, we have thousands of troops stationed in Muslim countries. Knowing how the nut job Muslims will react if the Church burns the Koran, there is a good chance some American Service member will end up getting killed over it. If the Preacher is that dedicated to burning the Koran he needs to fly to a Muslim country and burn it in public there. That way he will only be putting his live in danger, not someone else. If you strongly support him then I suggest you get a ticket too. It’s easy to be billy-bad-a$$ when it’[s not your butt on the line.
Report Post »Pierce
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:58pmDuncan – Only a Jack_ss would post something so stupid.
And I believe you to be a REAL Jack_ss
Report Post »Pierce
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:16pmRick – Thanks for such an eloquent and intelligent reply to Illhunter. I could not have said it better myself.
I love how some Vets can act like Braveheart when the bullets are flying at their buddies and they are safe and sound back home.
Not me. If a general ask us as a nation to do something to help out – then it’s time to man up and answer his call. Maybe – just maybe he knows more about whats going on over there than we do. That General is in harms way like the rest of our guys and gals. This isn’t a tough one – it’s not like what people had to sacrifice during WW II here at home to help the war effort.
Funny how Rosie (the riveter) answered the call by actually going to a job everyday and today we wouldn’t stop and listen to a man who is trying to save the Lives of our Brave guys and gals.
Again I ask – Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio!
Report Post »ninecarpileup
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:23pmWhat does the general have to say about the burning of the AMERICAN FLAG. That must be o.k., right. Wouldn’t want to twist up any turbins now, would we.
Report Post »NRA_Don
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:51amNinecarpleup, I agree 100%. When does someone start a movement to make them understand that burning our flag, killing our people in the name of their GOD is ok. They know nothing except they can do whatever they want because Americans will condemn their own before standing up for their own.
When the world stands up and holds them to the same standards as they do us then I will complain/condemn/protest against anybody burning their flag or holy book. Even GOD could offer peaceful ways for so long before he brought his wrath down among the wrong doers. Every heard of Sodom and Gomorrah? Sometimes this is the only way to make a point.
With all due apologizes to Glenn.
Report Post »dressseller
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:23pm..Everybody …put down your matches and go home. ..Rediculous people. No one should be burning Korans or flags or people in effigy. Grow up. …Pastor Jones should learn that taking a stand doesn’t have to include provocation.
Report Post »missmarie
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:33pmWell said!
Report Post »jetmech568
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:11pmbravo
Report Post »stooping to a lower level will not solve anything and won’t accomplish any good.
duncan
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:21pmA normal reply from a woman who has not the might or want to stand for her country. Thank you for not serving in the military.
Report Post »dressseller
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:05am@DUNCAN, You talkin’ to me??? …..Well, 1st you have no idea if I am a woman or not. 2nd you have no idea if I am military or not. You take issue because I said burning stuff is not the way to go?? Ok. Well, burn your own books, Bibles, or Korans. That truly makes you smarter and mightier and more able to stand for your country. …Common Sense, anyone??
Report Post »dressseller
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:09amJust read Glenn Beck’s Blog post about this story.. ….As usual, Glenn tells it like it is. :)
Report Post »Sara Johnson
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:22pmi don’t see good in either side of this argument… how big is this church? i don’t think a church should be uniting to protest another religion, the churches to set a Christ-like example. The individuals who go to the church can use their freedom of speech however they like, but in my opinion the actions of the church representing Christianity by doing this.
Report Post »missmarie
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:32pmI agree – no good can come of this.
Report Post »Sara Johnson
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:39pmwow, typos were terrible in this post. What I meant to say was:
I don’t see good in either side of this argument… how big is this church? I don’t think a church should be uniting to protest another religion, the church is suppose to set a Christ-like example. The individuals who go to the church can use their freedom of speech however they like, but in my opinion the actions of the church are not a good representation of Christianity by doing this.
Report Post »Sara Johnson
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:42pmOops, too many typos here. What I meant to say was:
I don’t see good in either side of this argument… how big is this church? i don’t think a church should be uniting to protest another religion, the church is to set a Christ-like example. The individuals who go to the church can use their freedom of speech however they like, but in my opinion the actions of the church are not a good representation of Christianity by doing this.
Report Post »plunderpower
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:23pmChristians didn’t murder U.S. soldiers on American soil Nov. 5th 2009 in the name of Allah and the religion of peace. The Ft. Hood Massacre…remember? There is no comparison Sara Johnson.
Report Post »TheCobra
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:23pmLook at the other side of the coin here. People nailed Jesus to a cross because they didnt agree with Him. A little book burning is fine by me!
Report Post »lovemysoldier
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:02amMy husband is one of the 50,000 troops left in Iraq. I was nervous when the combat troops left, but this new development is making me beyond nervous. Please try to put yourself in my place and the place of all the other family members of the troops in that part of the world… especially Afghanistan, where the Taliban has greater numbers. Petraeus is right. No good will come from poking a hornet’s nest with a stick. The troops already have enought to deal with.
Report Post »lovemysoldier
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:11amOh, and I meant to say that I agree with your post 100% Sara. Sorry about that.
Report Post »missmarie
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:35amLOVEMYSOLDIER, Take comfort knowing that so many people are praying for your husband, for you, and your family. It is a difficult time for military families. I’ve spoken to many that are deeply concerned, I‘m sure this topic doesn’t help. The Lord is with you – and so am I. God Bless!
Report Post »lovemysoldier
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:51amI love you, Missmarie! Thank you!
Report Post »tintiger78
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:22pmThis is a TERRIBLE idea. I do not agree with anything in the Islamic faith, but I do not advocate burning their holy book. This just fosters a sense of hostilty and will make any dialogue with them in the future fruitless. I STRONGLY urge this church to abandon this very bad idea.
Report Post »EthicsGirl
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:32pmhere, here!! Just because it is protected speech does not mean it is the right thing to do.
Report Post »jmj
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:34pmHmmm…sounds like what the people in New York have been saying all along about building a mosque near ground zero.
Report Post »MCGIRV
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:11amRight on JMJ!
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:08amtintiger78
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:22pm
This is a TERRIBLE idea. I do not agree with anything in the Islamic faith, but I do not advocate burning their holy book. This just fosters a sense of hostilty and will make any dialogue with them in the future fruitless.
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I’m not advocating what the church in Florida is doing, but do you really think their sense of hostility could be any worse? Do you really think we can actually enter into fruitful dialogue with them????
Report Post »Topcat
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:54am@tintiger78
Report Post »As a New Yorker I completely agree . What is the matter with these Americans , has this Progressive governments policies , and the constant barrage of false racism charges , from the NAACP , Panthers ,and the left media , pushed you to become what they falsely claim you haver been. You can see the middle east is well connected to our news , and this could be detrimental to our troops , and our peace keeping mission , and its just wrong !
veritas51322
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:15amI agree free speech is not always wise speech. Sadly, the media will take the unChristlike behaviour of this group and say “see, this is what Christians are like.” What a stronger message this church could send if they offered housing, hospitality or some other beneficial service to a Muslim family ….doing good to them who hate you.
Report Post »LetsGetReal
Posted on September 9, 2010 at 7:19pmDon’t let your hysteria rule your reason. The Quran is the heart of the issue and this act brings the issue to the surface at a time when our nation needs to see the devastation that results from confronting Islam. The very fact that the big conversation is all about the “mean ‘ol misguided pastor“ rather than the ”insanely violent bloodthirsty Islamists” should give you a clue as to the fact that this nation is still asleep when it comes to the issue at hand.
I just read a report that this pastor’s actions has spurred an agreement whereby if he cancels the book burning they will cancel their plans for a victory monument at ground zero. Imagine that– they are willing to give up a victory monument rather than see a piece of wood pulp and ink burned.
Report Post »koyettsu
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:22pmWell they just burnt the flag of my country and I find that greatly insulting. That is what makes America great though, it isn’t illegal to burn the book so if they want to burn it than so be it.
Report Post »dlloftin
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:29pm@Koyettsu So you would just let anyone do anything? Well except burn our flag. Then again, burning the American flag isn’t illegal anyway. So let’s burn some flags and bibles because we can. We’ll throw some korans on top of the pile. Let’s throw all our morals away and just burn it all.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:08pmWe need to show that we are better than them. Organized rallies to burn any book is wrong (ever seen pictures from Germany in the late 1930′s). I know our flag is burnt and disgraced all over the world. I think we all should take the moral high ground.
Report Post »Blue Inkster
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 12:08pmSure, let anyone do anything as long as it is legal and protected by the Constitution. Burn korans, Bibles, flags, whatever. We even have to let a radical imam head up the building of a mosque at Ground Zero that is likely going to be funded by terrorist sympathizers.
Report Post »dlloftin
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:21pmWow, wonder how the pastor would feel if I sat there and burned a bunch of bibles in front of him. I understand not everyone agrees with the Koran or whatever religion is out there, but everyone has a right to worship how they want.
Why would “a man of god” want to burn something that is considered holy anyway? Just because it’s not holy to him? Maybe someone can help me understand.
Report Post »Party Of One
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:26pmA progressive-pawn in disguise willing to stir the pot.
Report Post »joebrooks
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:27pmI absolutely agree. I‘ll be praying that this Pastor’s heart is soften and he comes to his senses. Burning someone else’s scripture is a different level of hatred.
dlloftin
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:34pm“Progressive-pawn”? Don’t think so. Just think people should think before they act and what consequence it could be by doing so. Burning a bunch of korans can make things tougher for our troops in Iraq/Afghanistan. Do you support holy book burning, Party of One?
Report Post »dlloftin
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:40pmParty of One, after re-reading your post. I thought you were referring to me. Unless I didn’t take it wrong and you were calling me a progressive-pawn in disguise. Communication there is vague.
Report Post »plunderpower
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:14pmIn the name of Allah, U.S. soldiers died on American soil Nov. 5th 2009.
Remember the Fort Hood Massacre.
Report Post »plunderpower
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:19pmDoes the Ft. Hood Massacre ring a bell? Nov 5th is one year since a member of your religion of peace murdered U.S. soldiers on American soil in the name of Allah. Cut the crap. It makes you smell funny.
Report Post »larrygo
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:46pmSo the idea is “a pile of paper” incites all this uproar! Take the higher road and accept the higher principles involved in the teaching of both the bible and and koran. So it’s OK for folks to burn the U.S. flag?
Report Post »duncan
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:52pmYou don’t understand or have you tried to read the Bible. Just go back to smoking a cigarette and trying to make sense of your world.
Report Post »TheCobra
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:09pmDo you people not look around the world??? Get your heads out of the sand and look about you. Burning the Koran is fine by me if it lets people of the world know that they will no longer bully us Christians into submission any longer. Stand up for what you believe in and be prepared to defend what is right! Its called “tough love”.
Report Post »sim
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:40am@JOEBROOKS how did you get your pic on here? 2: burning an effigy of a person is lesser of a “level of hatred” ?
Report Post »Timekeeper
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 1:57amI’m sure the pastor thought and prayed about it. Where’s the “tolerance” from the Muslims? As the pastor said “We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam. We will no longer be controlled and dominated by their fears and threats.” -
Report Post »Rosy Glow
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 2:03amIf I were that pastor, I’d hand out free Korans instead of burning them. The Bible is way better than the Koran. The Bible is obviously the only true holy book. I could show you why that is. But don’t be afraid of it. Read them both and see. It’s only about 1000 pages for the Bible and less for the Koran. You can read it all in a few days if you read like people go through other books. The Bible is 66 books written over a time span of probably 2500 years, written by maybe 40 different authors with different writing styles: The first 5 books are the law. The next 12 books are the history. Then the books of poetry – 5 of them. Then 12 books of the prophets. Then the New Testament: 4 books about Jesus’ life. 1 book of history. A bunch of letter that mainly Paul (but also a few others) wrote to churches in different areas. 1 Revelation at the end. The Koran is a collection of books that his friends wrote about him about a dozen years after he was gone.
Anyway, the principle involved in this news story is “The Exception Proves the Rule.” That only one church is burning Korans PROVES that the rest of the churches don’t burn Korans. Think about it. The news loves to find one church that is different, and then claim that it is some kind of trend. It is how they try to create history while it is being made. They try to make us believe that churches are violent, when Christianity is the most tolerant worldview that there is. It is not a trend. The news does that with other issues too. Pay attention. If you get the idea, you’ll never see news stories the same again. The exception proves the rule. It is like when one house sells for too much, it doesn’t mean that other houses in the same neighborhood will sell for too much. It would take at least three of the same characteristics/kinds of stories to even begin to call something a trend. The exception proves the rule. That only a small few have killed abortionists, but abortionists kill over half of the people who go into their buildings, proves that most pro-lifers do not kill people. The news is that pro-life people do not kill, even when greatly provoked.
And the news takes the exception principle in the opposite direction: We have tons of spontaneous tea parties all over the country, which is a definite trend, and the news media say it is not what the people really think. Don’t believe it when they find one weird story which is against what the news believes. Example: I went to a pro-life rally one time. All of the pro-life people were calm, dressed nicely, polite, sweet people, a lot pushing strollers because they didn’t get babysitters. All of the pro-death people were raunchy, hard, mean, and dressed like tough people – girls that walked and talked like a cowboy mean man with one inch long hair, manly jeans, big boots, and mean scowls. It was really like that. But on the news that night? HAHAHA They had found one weird pro-life lady, dressed weird, talking weird. And they had found one smartly dressed, calm, articulate pro-death man who spoke for the bad guys. It was totally un-similar to the actual event. But it was true, those two people were in attendence. They were the exceptions that the news media likes to seek out. In that case, it was because the news guys were pro-death, and they wanted to make it look like they had the smart people and we had the crazies. Watch news looking for the exceptions to the rule. Christians are not violent; violent people are violent. Abortionists are violent. People who burn effigies are planning on hurting people. People who burn books are planning on hurting books. If you learn that exceptions prove the rule, you’ll never again look at news stories the same.
Report Post »Sapper623
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:14amThe book isn’t holy – That’s the point. i have no idea how the left can turn a blind eye to the atrocities of the middle east…
Report Post »BoilitDown
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 4:05amHaving prayed on this, I can only suggest that you all do the same. Ask first; Is this something that glorifies GOD?
Report Post »Why don‘t we leave this in GOD’s hands?
LowerLaker
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:29amThe Koran is a religeous book, not a holy book, there is only one and it is the Holy Bible. The book Muslims uses a false god to direct the killing of innocent men, women and children for no other reason than they were not born muslims, this is the religeon they and our president refers to as the religeon of peace? There are many who are deceived but are awakening to the truth; the election of Obama and those that think and beleive like him are required for a great revival. The sins of man would not have been forgiven had it not been fullfilled with the help of men such as Pontius Pilate and Judas Escariate; praise God for Obama and what wonderful changes have already occured in America!!
Report Post »ILLhunter
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:08amDo you consider it holy? You assume the pastor does yet he may believe it to be the propaganda that causes otherwise rational people to become bomb wearing terrorists. Please explain why islam can react to the mere threat of book burning with the act of flag and effigy burning? Conventional logic does not apply to the followers of islam. Stop trying to use your pacific loving upringing to defend them and defend the country that gives you the freedom to discuss this. They won’t. I suggest we take to burning korans when they burn our flags and see if they react violently. Then the police will be forced to act. If they don’t then the right to self defense kicks in and that is a G_d given law most cannot refrain from following. Okay…Gahndi maybe. Definately not me!
Report Post »sangreel
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:19pmSooo its ok for Muslims to burn whatever they want but for a Christian to burn a BOOK they get their knickers in a bunch? Get a life and move on.
Report Post »NancyJean
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:40pmYes, sort of. I don’t believe these idiots are Christians. Their actions don’t show it, anyway. Both sides are flat out wrong. And idiots.
Report Post »Feel N Froggy
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:02pmYou got it right, NancyJean! Both are idiots.
Report Post »Overmanwarrior
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:18pmThey aren’t behaving any better than radical Islam. They should know better.
Report Post »HEARME_NOW
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:49pmThe Radicals as you would like us to believe, they are not. The billion or more Muslims are all the same the world over. They have been raping, plundering, killing the human kind for thousands of years all in the name of their so called God. The true God will punish them and “Their God” in the end for their use of His Most Holy name to commit those killing in his name and their following of their false prophet. As the true GOD spoke “there will be many false prophets”. A book that advocates the killing, beating of wafers, raping of children, beheading of fellow man all in his name should be baned and burned and will be in HELL in the end time.
Report Post »plunderpower
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:08pmNov 5th marks one year since the Ft. Hood Massacre where soldiers were murdered on U.S. soil in the name of Allah, by the religion of peace. Remember the response of Obama and Liberals. Take that memory into the voting booth Nov 2nd with you. There is no comparison sir. It’s high time.
Report Post »plunderpower
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:12pmThere is no comparison between that little church and the religion of peace that celebrated the massacre of soldiers on U.S. soil. Nov. 5th marks one year since the Ft. Hood Massacre in the name of Allah. REMEMBER??? There is no comparison…period.
Report Post »TheCobra
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:01pmThey are not behaving any better than radical Islam??? Ok, so how many buildings has this Church destroyed or people have they killed in the name of their God??? Think about it.
Report Post »dwight4423
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 2:56amHear Me Now has it right. We (America) are the infidels and as such Islam teaches that we are to be beheaded for not acknowledgeing Allah. America will wake up one day with the Muslims trying to destroy America from within through the Democratic vote! Why are we so stupid??? Australia has it right. Be an Australion, speak english, we aren’t doing the Sheria law and with GOD at the head of our life not allah OR go back where you came from. English also should be our ONLY language. The governmnet is trying to CHANGE our culture. . . to socialism.
Wiz001
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:29amDwight4423 is right.. I have been reading about the Ausie’s and love their Presidents views, as he is Looking out for his People unlike the person in that position here. IF they were truely moderate and a religion of peace they would not have such a problem with it (they do not seem to mind burning our flag or wiping their butts with our bible). I watched Marines CRY as the American flag was spit on, walked on and even had dog do put on it here in Az. and they were told they could not defend the flag as it was their right to free speech. I would never burn ANY holy object as we all worship the same god just by different names and their religion was hijacked by radicals many centuries ago. I do not think it is a good idea but if they fell it is their right to free speach who am i to stop them?? I can only answer to God for my actions and not the actions of others. I try to lead by example and do at least one good deed for someone( I do not care what color or faith they are) eveyday. even if it is just to open a door for someone who has their hands full or help load someone at the lumber yard when i could have been in my truck on my way to the job.. IT is amazing how that helps a person to have a better day and hopefully they pass it on..I am no saint, but i try to be a good person and a good christian. SO Pass it on…
Report Post »Feel N Froggy
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:09pmWow, have any of you ever even opened the Koran? May surprised you, it is almost exactly the same as the Bible. The Koran has nothing to do with promoting radical or violent behavior. No more than a white supremist claiming the Bible taught him to hate. Hello people! Knock, Knock! Find an education or educate yourself. Ignorance is dangerous.
DivideByZero
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:49pmIt’s a stupid tit-for-tat. Jeez, it sounds like the playground at an elementary school.
What is really accomplished by burning the Koran? You irritate a group of irrational maniacs who want to destroy the “Great Satan” (That’s us sports fans). You alienate reasonable Muslims and provide fuel to a burning fire. The net result will be an increase in the amount of danger for our soldiers.
The military protects our rights, as outlined in the Constitution, and these folks wish to repay them by agitating the enemy and increasing the danger our soldiers. NICE! What would you do to our enemies?
Report Post »patriotmom32
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 12:41pmYeah we are going around and blowing up Muslims – or offering bounties on their soldiers and their vehicles…..
Report Post »patriotmom32
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 12:43pmPlunderPower – did you ever hear about how they found Ft. Hood? The decision? it was workplace violence – so guys if you are muslim’s you can go kill 13 of your coworkers, injure countless others and get a slap on your wrist – doesn’t that make you all warm and gooey inside? :) I’m so glad we have a court system that sticks up for the American people, where would we be if they didn’t? :)
Report Post »stevebaxx
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:15pmSo they can burn someone in effigy along with an American flag but we cant use our freedoms of speech??? ok wheres the joke???
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:52amI can’t speak for everyone, but I am better that them. I will not sink to their level.
Silversmith
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 11:58amI don‘t think that anyone would argue that radical Islam isn’t a big problem. No one would argue that someone in America doesn’t have the right to freedom of expression. But I have to ask, as a pastor, is this something that will make things better? Where are you leading your congregation? You do this to what end? How are you different, save by degree, than those you oppose? The word that does not appear in the Koran is Love. We must remember that difference.
Silversmith
Report Post »Feel N Froggy
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 2:58pmStevebaxx, obviously your the joke. Your mamma ever tell you, “two wrongs don’t make a right.” Protesting in the manner they did is wrong, burning any holy book is wrong. How would we feel if they were not just burning our flag, but the Bible? Free speech as nothing to do with burning books, especially any holy book. All this does is make America and Americans look like a bunch of uneducated bigots to the rest of world! Good Job!!
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:10pmThe Koran is no holy book. Unless you believe that something that comes straight out of the pit of hell is holy.
puctech
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:22pmhttp://www.dontvoteobama.net/cousin%20odingo.htm
Report Post »Dotty4CommonSense
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:31pmExactly — if we (Christians) burn their Koran, then we are no better than they are and I don’t intend to think like that! Like Glenn says “They can do it, “ but ”They shouldn’t do it.” Just like the mosque issue — it is legal for them to build it but they shouldn’t because of 9/11. Maybe this pastor is possessed by the devil?
Report Post »diannalynn1
Posted on September 9, 2010 at 10:38amBrooke has a point.
Report Post »MLCinCC
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:15pmSo they burn a symbol of a man in protest to the churches plan to burn a book…yea, that seems logical. These people are nuts!
paperpushermj
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:24pmWhich group are you referring to?
pnimmo
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:35pmPaperpusher……..it’s called free speech…….you believe in that don’t you?
NancyJean
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:38pmMLCinCC, My sentiments, exactly.
Report Post »PaperPusherMJ, I can only infer that he is refering to both
MLCinCC
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 9:56pmI was referring to both sides being nuts. Just because you can do it – doesn’t mean you should and I do take offense at them burning my flag!
Joanninna
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 10:14pmYou can’t compare burning a book for symbolic reasons to burning a man. Islam is an evil religion and I pray for the safety of the Pastor who will (I HOPE) stick to his guns and burn that evil book!
fireyogi
Posted on September 6, 2010 at 11:26pmWhatever happened peace love and god
JeffW65
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:26amThey are both beyond nuts! Isn’t it the job of church leaders to enlighten us spiritually? It’s worse on the part of this idiot Terry Jones. How does burning another religions holy book help us spiritually? He is making an attack on an entire religion. Not the radicals responsible. This is feeding into the hate and bringing us down to their level. This is promoting hate toward another faith.
THIS IS PROMOTING HATE PERIOD!!!! This man does not represent the God I know!
I think that what Patreus says is valid. Anything that increases the danger and difficulty for our soldiers in the military is wrong.
Jeff in Miami
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 6:12amYes burning a dummy is legal as is burning a book. The real question is not can idiots do this but should they.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:50amPaperpushermj they have the right to do this very stupid act. I don’t think they should. I have never been to a church that teaches this kind of behavior.
UprootedYankee
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:57amMy thoughts exactly!
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:20amTorn between, with this one. Should we cower in fear to an evil cult, or go ahead with a defiant act of free speech? I seem to remember reports from Israel of the Cathedral stand-off, and The Bibles being used as toilet paper.
missmarie
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:25amI agree with MLCINCC – both sides are unstable.
One the one hand, you’ve got millions of people who belong to the growing, violent, and intolerant Islamic culture, which is integrating itself around the globe. I’m not saying ALL are violent, don’t get me started, but many certainly are. I agree, we must do something about this group whose sole purpose seems to be wiping other cultures out of existence. We can talk about rights, but we need to focus on both sides agreeing the other has the right to exist, then maybe we can get down to specifics.
I mean seriously, burn their book? And what, they’ll get angry and kill innocent Americans for no apparent reason other than they felt offended? News flash – we’ve passed this point. We need a better plan.
On the other hand, we’ve got a very small church, that is being egged on by the same “spiritual group” that is traveling around the country protesting military funerals and insulting their loved ones, both are trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. I can’t give them any credibility, let alone my support.
No good can come from this. None at all. And, in my humble opinion, we’ve already got enough bad.
heidi586
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:22amI couldn’t agree with you more MLCinCC! Just because you can do something….doesn’t mean you should! This “church” has every right to burn the Koran – but should they prove their point at the risk of our military men and women? To prove the point they can ignite further violence and anger muslims that may be looking to us for peace and stability (especially for the muslim women&children)? Why poke the hornets nest…when you already know how the hornets will react?? Sad way to prove a point…and I fear a dangerous one for many.
Preacherman
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:32amI would love to see the day when all Islamists burned their own Koran, for it is no holy book (Acts 19:19). Jesus said, “I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no one comes to the Father but BY me” (John 14:6). Either a person claiming to be a Christian believes Jesus or they don’t. Jesus is the exclusive way, the only way. I may not agree with burning men in effigy, or burning the Koran, but I believe in telling the truth of the matter. The religion of Islam will not save a single soul in eternity. The TRUE Savior has come, Jesus Christ. Islam does NOT recognize Jesus as God’s Son (John 1:1-3), nor as the Savior of mankind from his sins. As to burning one’s own books – I am sure that some thought those in Ephesus were crazy too – for they burned all the things of their former religion when they obeyed the Gospel of Christ and it caused a riot then too (Acts 19:19-20).
paperpushermj
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:52amDear PNIMMO: You need to work on your reading comprehension !
Report Post »VegasGuy
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 2:24pm. . . or as CBS is reporting the story, “A peaceful crowd of 87,000 Muslims gathered in Kabul to host a BBQ for Pastor Terry Jones.”
Report Post »LJ_4_JESUS
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 2:57pmPreacherman, God bless you and never stop preaching the Truth!
ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:17pmI see it is ok for Muslim’s to burn the American flag, a person, or the bible but, hhhhooooollllllddddd on a minute you want to buran a quran????? what are you mean spirited? Are you a racist? It is the same old garbage from liberals. Next you will say you can’t have an America flag on your truck in an American public school . . .Oh wait you already say that! We know who the nuts are, have a mirror handy?
kuuk1
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:18pmThe Muslims are going to attack America just because we are a “Christian” nation…Obama said to them that we are now a Muslim nation and the muslims still scram ‘kill the Americans’ So it don’t matter if that paster burns the Karan or not, the muslims will not change their feelings for America. Have you noticed that everywhere muslims go they either take over by force or through politics…look at Europe.
srdem65
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:22pmBurning a religion’s Holy Book is wrong, no matter how you feel about it.
We must be better than that.
quiltyme
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 3:36pmOur military are in harms way enough, but this adds fuel to the fire. Our goal was to help Afghanistan, not convert them to christianity, but to help them get a government that is fair and free,,,what progress we have made in getting these people to trust us is in jeopardy if this burning of the Koran goes on. God loves these lost children as much as He loved us before we accepted His son. Do we have selective compassion for the lost just because they believe differently from us? No, I don‘t believe that the Koran is God’s Word, Christ is that,,,,but they believe what they believe and unless we show them we care for their souls,,,even though we may never personally witness to one, they will be forever lost,,,,just as we would have been.
pscully17
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 4:10pmthe Media response isnt shocking– they stand up for the GROUND ZERO MOSQUE, which incites Violent rhetoric and now action ( burning Koran), but refuse to Condemn the Imam for such a project so near the death site of 3000+ Americans, so the HATRED card only works one way? to that, I say, GO ahead, Burn the Korans, and make your point that although it may seem Intolerant on the part of the Church group, This is OUR LAW– Freedom of SPEECH!! Yet in another News article, Printing a MANUAL ON HOW TO SEXUALLY ABUSE CHILDREN is not labeled as MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE and we have to go by rule of law, no matter how Vile it is! What are we doing? WE cant pick and Choose the issues and cite Law on our personal opinion! The Constitution doesnt work that way!! America, We have to decide what we want to stand for and quit FLIPPING on the people! Its Utter Chaos!! We are NOt United anymore! America is on Life support because the MEDIA and the COURTS are dividing us with THEIR AGENDAS! Tragic!
stablepar
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 5:20pmlet me get this right. gen. petraeus is commenting on what is legal but insensitive. i am all for safety of our troops. i am not all for bowing in front of people on every issue that they plan on rioting and killing innocent people. building a mosque 2 blocks from the spot where 3000 humans were murdered by muslims. it is legal but equally insensitive. if an abortionist is put to death by a so called christian christianity is villified no end. i guess all we have to do is forget about 9/11. give up our bibles. turn to sharia law. i guess let american women fend for their own. what a joke
mde123
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 5:37pmI really get tired of hearing about the continued evils carried out by “extreme” Muslims. Are only the “extreme radical” Muslims the problem. NO. They are simply the mouth piece of most Muslims. Where is the outrage when they burn our Bible. Or the outrage of them buning the Preacher about to burn the Koran?
Report Post »The Koran, just like the Bible is only paper with words written on it. The Muslims use everything that Americans do to make us apologize to them.
The fact is the Preacher that has only 50 members in his Church is attempting to make it 500. Report that story and move on from the nut.
DoreenGailLaird
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 6:30pmOur Lord and Savior wants us to display love and tolerance.
Report Post »danglingbags
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 8:39pmTHE RIGHT WING WILL HAVE BLOOD THEIR HANDS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ANY TROOP.
SHAME ON YOU HUEVOINHALERS.
REMEMBER GOD IS GOOD BUT GOLD IS GREATER…SO BUY GOLD
puctech
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 9:25pmThis link is Obama’s cousin Ozdinga and how they burn Christians in Africa.
Report Post »GODISURDUMB
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:47pmLet no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Ephesians 4:29 is the free speech example from the Bible. Though constitutional, burning someone’s important book is free speech, who is this church going to convert? Lets embrace our Muslim neighbors as they watch us burn their book. Leave book burning to the radicals. Nonsense.
Report Post »sim
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 1:03amif the arabs want to use this as an excuse for violence. so be it. its about time a brave soul stands up and fights fire with fire. literally. i am sick of all the pc crap. the streets of america will be like the streets of france. by the time you islamic appeasers wake up, it will be too late. you are blinded now by fear and you will eventually be blinded by a burqa. remember that.
SoonerQueen
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 1:17amHow would you feel if someone burned our Bible right in front of you? All this is going to do is cause more problems between the Christians and the Muslims. It’s like rubbing it in their face. I don’t think that minister needs to burn the Koran, but then again, the Muslims don’t need a mosque so close to where so many died on 9-11. There has to be a more peaceful way of protesting than burning something that is so close to the Muslim people.
fuhrminator
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 9:32amI agree, They can have their house of worship but don’t push your religion on a cristian Nation.
Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Why do also our leaders in Government rage imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],
Our leaders in Government set themselves, and take counsel together against God the Father and His beloved son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit by removing all three out of our vocabulary and want other gods to have their house in a place close to where three thousand people were murdered.
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Pull that voting handle and push the button to remove those that don’t want anything to do with our Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Get them out of office.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
He will, and that day is near and Christians look forward to this day.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
I would not want to be in their shoes on this day. Remember, we are nearing the end of the sixth seals.
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Jesus sits at the right hand of our God.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
God’s beloved son Jesus Christ.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.
Thank God that since 8/28 people all over the USA. are waking up to our Government and putting God first.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
I guess you should feel sorrow for these people however, do they feel sorrow for our God of Heaven and Earth?
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Wake up people in Government.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Christ is returning.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.
Report Post »Praise God in Jesus name for the Son will clean house more then us when we vote.
American Jingoist
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 11:59amWhere the hell is Al Gore? These nut jobs are polluting the environment. Oh I see there’s no place to land his “jets”. I believe what the minister is doing is good to a point. This very action is bringing the radicals out from which they hide. Even here in America. People take a good look at those in your communities who are protesting the hardest. They may very well be the neighbor who wishes to slit your throat when the time comes. It also makes them better targets for our military. We keep hearing they are hiding in the communities, well here they are.
Report Post »patriotmom32
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 12:43pmI don’t know about M – but I know it is the Muslim’s :)
Report Post »outraged
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 12:51pmI believe in free speech….
Report Post »A man of the cloth should be held to a higher moral standard…
He would be highly upset if they started burning bibles….
We all have the right to disagree with eachother, however, it’s how we handle that right that makes up our moral character…
FORFREESPEECH
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 1:02pmAs you can see it does not take much to set off those Muslims, yes he has a right to burn the book, lets just see if he follows through after his comments about standing strong.
Report Post »grammylinda1
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 1:13pmI think the word to describe these people is radicals.
Report Post »We cannot stoop to the level of muslim radicals by burning books.
TEAFORTWO
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 1:17pmYOU DECIDE!!
Report Post »Here is what the Pastor of the church said: Jones responded that he is also concerned but is “wondering, ‘When do we stop?’” He refused to cancel the protest at his Dove World Outreach Center but said he was still praying about it. “How much do we back down? How many times do we back down?” Jones told the AP. “Instead of us backing down, maybe it’s time to stand up. Maybe it’s time to send a message to radical Islam that we will not tolerate their behavior.”
Here is what the Imam said: “It is the duty of Muslims to react,” said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. “When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed.”
tr4692
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 1:28pmMuslims can burn a Christian at the stake or crucify them and it doesn’t even make the news. Burn some paper and the whole world goes ballistic. It’s a sick world.
aafriend
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 1:53pmAs responsible men and women of god, those who choose to follow through with this burning are truly defeating the purpose of restoring honor in this country. i encourage everyone involved to seek guidance from other men of the cloth and make a responsible decision. The good men and women of America with common sense do not support behavior like this. you put yourself right inline with in sighting violence, and domestic terrorism. right or no right it is wrong and should be met with great resistance from all American citizens. we as American citizens are better than this.
Report Post »1GODJESUS
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 2:23pmi bought my first quran at barnes n nobles to burn it on 9/11 just because i hate the hypocricy of these people called muslem’s i had to put up with there laughing dancing in the streets and passing out candy over the death of americans on 9/11 I dont care anymore
Report Post »1GODJESUS
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 2:26pmi think the pastor should burn it in front of the mosque there going to build on ground zero they wanna teach tolerance right we burn one of there books every time that stupid horn goes off untill they care about our feelings on there mosque’s stupid pedaphiles
Report Post »Suddenly101
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:40pmHello?!?! Freedom of religion ring a bell?!? This is stupid on both sides!! Muslims have a much right’s here as Christians, Pegans, Buddahists, Aithiests, Catholics, or anything else I may have missed. Personally I’m a Christian and I believe what the Muslims think is wrong. However, I’m not going to burn the Koran because of it (hope I didn’t offend anyone there). It’s plain stupid! Not to mention dangerous! Troops in Afganistan (I spelled that wrong) are going to be put in more danger because of this. However in this freedom of religion i believe it does have restristions. Muslims should not attack us. That’s not right. I also disagree with the Mosque (spelling?) being built near ground zero. That’s an insult to America.I‘m not saying they cant put up Mosque’s but the location is terrible. That’s almost like a prize! ‘Oh, you distroyed our towers, here you can build a Mosque there.’ Uh, I dont think so!! Sorry if I offended anyone. Just stating my case. (Also sorry this is on a reply. I haven’t figured this whole thing out yet.)
Report Post »goturback
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 3:55pmHey folks,
The radical muslim world has shown us how they feel about our country (9/11) time and time again. The non-radical muslin world is fearful of the repercussions from the radical muslim world, and will not condemn or critize their actions. The radical muslim idiots are already burning American flags, pastors in efigy, bibles, our president and probably some of our troops. And their sacred Koran has not been burned yet!!!!
I say the hell with them!! We are free or we are not free!!! We have a right to express our feelings towards the radicals and let them know that the Christians have Warriors for God and we will respect their religion but we are not door mats and we are no longer going to bend over backwards to please them and we must quit apologizing and trying to kiss their As-es. I say if the pastor wants to burn the Koran let him burn it. Hell, I’ll provide the fuel if he needs it. He is expressing his feelings concerning the radical muslim, and we should turn a blind eye as does the non-radical does to the radical muslim actions.
Report Post »Markburgess
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 4:09pmChurches burning things, well there’s a Chrisike move. Is the point to express disapproval or do they just feel the need to burn books because their parishioners are thinking of converting to Islam and this is a prophylactic move. Why bother showing Muslims why
Report Post »Christianity is worth defending if it looks the same as the violence in Islam.
petrainoregon
Posted on September 8, 2010 at 10:07pm“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” I remember somebody saying that. Pretty famous guy I think. He may have had something to do with the Bible? Main character? Author?
Report Post »Kooties
Posted on September 7, 2010 at 10:28pmI agree. It makes me sick too.
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