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A Closer Look at the Jan. Jobless Numbers: Are They ‘Being Made Up?’

Former Reagan Budget Director on Jan. Jobs Report: These Numbers are Being Made up

People line up at a Workforce Plus job fair, Thursday, March 26, 2009, in Tallahassee, Fla. 75,000 Floridians lost their jobs in February. The state's unemployment rate rose to 9.4 %, the highest since 1976. (Photo: AP)

You may recall that major media outlets rejoiced and the markets jumped last Friday when the January jobs report was released.

“Labor Department today lowered the U.S. unemployment rate by two-tenths of a point to 8.3 percent, the lowest it’s been since February 2009,” Emily Knapp of Wall St. Cheat reported, “January data showed nonfarm payrolls to have risen a whopping 243,000, wildly exceeding even the most optimistic of economists’ projections.”

However, although the markets did indeed react positively to the good news, many analysts were skeptical of the data in the report.

“A month ago, we joked when we said that for Obama to get the unemployment rate to negative by election time, all he has to do is to crush the labor force participation rate to about 55 [percent],” editors at Zero Hedge wrote.

“Looks like the good folks at the BLS heard us: it appears that the people not in the labor force exploded by an unprecedented record 1.2 million. No, that’s not a typo: 1.2 million people dropped out of the labor force in one month!”

What does this mean?

Zero Hedge explains:

So as the labor force increased from 153.9 million to 154.4 million, the non institutional population increased by 242.3 million meaning, those not in the labor force surged from 86.7 million to 87.9 million. Which means that the civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7% as the BLS is seriously planning on eliminating nearly half of the available labor pool from the unemployment calculation.

Even conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh weighed in on the report, claiming that the data was “corrupt as it can be” because the Labor Force Participation Rate has been repeatedly adjusted.

Is Limbaugh out of line on this?

“After countless attempts to discredit or defend Friday’s jobs report, we can all agree on one thing: The data is complicated,” Gus Lubin of Business Insider writes. “So complicated that the BLS could make the economy look better than it was and no one would be sure.”

Former Reagan Budget Director on Jan. Jobs Report: These Numbers are Being Made up

David Stockman

That’s more or less what David Stockman, former budget director for President Ronald Reagan, wrote in an email to former hedge fund manager Bruce Krasting.

On his blog “My Take on Financial Events,” Krasting wrote, “Is the current [Labor Force Participation Rate] a temporary phenomenon, or is this the ‘New Normal?’”

Krasting believes that if the current Labor Force Participation Rate (LFPR) is the “new normal,” it could have severe – even dangerous – effects on the economy.

Why?

“Virtually all of the economic models used by CBO, OMB, SSA and private economists are assuming that the long-term LFPR will be in the mid-to upper 60s. The consensus is 2-3 [percent] higher than where it is today,” Krasting writes.

“If you plug in a rate of 63 [percent] versus 67 [precent] over the next ten-years, it makes a huge difference on the size of the deficit and the public debt. It would cause the deficits at Social Security and Medicare to explode. The percentage of GDP attributable to the government would inevitably rise. The economy, and society in general, would be socialized [emphasis added],” Krasting writes.

In response to Krastings’ criticism of the jobs report, Stockman writes: “…if you spend a little time with these numbers you will know that they are being made up.”

Here’s the email (via Wall Street Examiner):

…I’m wondering if this goes much deeper. I don’t particularly believe in tin foil hats, but all of these mainstream economists treat the BLS and BEA data like it’s holy writ—when it’s evident that the reports are so massaged, estimated, deemed, revised, re-bench marked and seasonally adjusted that any month-to-month change has a decent chance of being noise. What deep secret might they be hiding?

So on the labor force participation rate they say, “No it didn’t go down in January because the 2012 numbers are re-bench marked for the 2010 census,” but for some reason the BLS didn’t bother to update the 2011 civilian population numbers, including December. Thus, the BLS published apples-to-oranges numbers on this particular variable and the footnote says the December participation rate would have been the same as January, if they had revised it!

Yet on another variable— the establishment survey jobs count—they were also busy re-benchmarking–but here they did update the originally reported numbers for every month of 2011. Even then, it is hard to say what got updated because the originally reported numbers each month are then revised during the next two reporting months—with any excess or shortfall reallocated to earlier months outside the three month window, which are not published on a revised basis, even though they have been revised! This reflects a wacko thing called the concurrent seasonal adjustment method.

… your point is that the longer-term trend of the labor force participation rate is really bad, and this truth is absolutely validated by the January report. Except it would have been equally bad in December had it been reported with the new census data…

But the mainstream narrative never gets to the trend. In this case, the plain fact is that we are warehousing a larger and larger population of adults who are one way or another living off transfer payments, relatives, sub-prime credit, and the black market. My suspicion is that this negative trend and many others like it get buried by the monthly change chatter from mainstream economists and on bubble vision, and that these monthly deltas are so heavily manipulated  as to be almost a made-up reality. Call it the economists’ Truman Show.
…
In short, if you spend a little time with these numbers you will know that they are being made up. Funny thing that I remember during the depths of the 1982 recession Reagan read in Human Events one night that the seasonally adjusted numbers were being manipulated and one should look at the unadjusted numbers, instead. The next morning during an economic update briefing Reagan said, he wanted to talk about the “unadjusted” unemployment rate. Marty Feldstein turned white as a ghost, and then talked him out of it. Hmmm!

Read the full email here.

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  • StormRider
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:22pm

    What a lying sack of crap ! How do you tell if Little Barry is lying ? Everytime he opens his mouth !
    This little worm of a man must think he is a god or something, he wants to dictate to everyone while him and the First grifter live high off the work and wealth of working folks. I honestly can say I have always respected the office of the President, but at this point in time I cannot say that. All it has become is a tool to shakedown and loot other peoples wealth. The thuggie we have in that office deserves derision and scorn, he is a demented individual surrounded by evil demented people.

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:42pm

      Obama will lie cheat and steal to get his way. we need to be willing to do anything and everything to bring this fraud to justice. learn the truth about Obama and his thugs

      http://obamaballotchallenge.com/were-fbi-agents-carrying-out-orders-when-they-said-that-enforcing-the-constitution-regarding-obama-would-cause-a-civil-war
      how about we let them know if they don’t start removing this illegal from our white house WE WILL BE THE ONES STARTING ONE!

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    • jzs
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:45pm

      The US has had 23 straight months of jobs growth after the freefall losses during 2008. Surely those numbers are invented. All 23 of them. And the stock market also reached it’s highest point since 2008. But somebody made that up too I’m sure.

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    • badswing
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:59pm

      rush was on this like (insert whatever metaphor) the day the numbers were released. he is the guru!

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:00pm

      JZS…..seriously? You’re impressed with the “growth” numbers? They’re paltry, they’re nowhere near what we need for credible economic growth. They’re laughable. Obama’s curtailing a proper economic rebound while he keeps growing the debt. Idiot. Obama’s lost 2 million jobs in his tenure. The labor force has shrunk in his tenure. Do you understand what the means you imbecile?

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    • Paydert33
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:02pm

      That’s right STORMRIDER…….a lying sack of crap. And what’s the msm doing? Why supporting all his lies. He can say and do anything he wants and he knows he will get by with it. The msm are actually giddy with over-whelming support of his falsehoods. Shyster-in-chief.

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:02pm

      JZS – It is entirely possible (and very, very likely), that the job numbers from the last 23 months (and beyond – though before Obama I knew very, very few unemployed people) have in fact been manipulated and made up. Considering that even the reported unemployment number is, in essence, a complete fabrication with no realistic basis, the possibility is further supported. And finally, if the stock prices and values are based off false, misleading, and dishonest economic numbers, wouldn’t that mean: a) big winners in the stocks universe could be the ones behind the manipulating, and/or b) the entire economy right now is a house built with cards with an approaching breeze called exposure of truth?

      Remember the line from Sneakers: it’s all about who controls the information!

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    • DrFrost
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:55pm

      @JZS

      The unemployment numbers have never been accurate. As for Obama’s performance, all anyone should need to see is the national debt when he took office and the national debt now. I berated Bush for increasing the national debt so much AS DID THEN SENATOR OBAMA. Here is what Obama had to say about it:

      “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership
      means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” – Senator Obama 2006

      I read those words then and thought to myself that they summarized well one of my biggest disappointments with Bush’s presidency. They were spot on. The fact that during Obama’s first term the problem has been much worse truly sickens me.

      National debt is a metric they haven’t yet figured out how to fudge beyond usefulness. It’s an objective measure of financial stewardship. Bush failed in this regard. Obama’s performance has been much worse.

      By his own words we deserve better.

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 5:31pm

      Glenn Beck’s Apology to Libertarians

      Glenn apologizes for saying he’s a Libertarian in the past, but spells out how he’s leaning even more toward their way. Even says BRING THE TROOPS HOME!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FuEWxTvRGY

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 5:36pm

      JZS, please go peddle your papers somewhere else. You’re an *******, you take up space on the Blaze that could be used by someone with a brain and a constructive comment, and you’re also a pain in the azz. Good riddens to bad rubbish. If you knew what the Hell you were talking about, you would at least be tolerable and be tolerated. I for one, if I see the initials JZS in front of a comment, will consider the source and move by without reading your gibberish.

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    • JesusH.Christ
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:02pm

      Bite on this then, CARBONYES,
      The mess Bush created was in free fall when Obama took office. Do you really believe that something THAT catastrophic with the momentum it had could be stopped over night? Of course not. The damage Bush created is STILL being felt because of the depth and severity of his mistakes. By the way, 2 unnecessary and unbelievably expensive wars to fight didn’t help matters either. But the slow progress of the Obama admin. is mainly due to the Republican strategy of “non-cooperation at all costs”. It was not a secret that the Reps wanted Obama to fail and they would stop at nothing to see to it that he would. No matter the cost to country.
      You guys can bitch and moan all you want, point your fingers and wail, “It‘s Obama’s Fault”! But everybody knows who started this mess and everybody knows who’s keeping us stuck there.
      The Republicans have a very highly developed sense of denial.

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:02pm

      To help clear the air, Obama definitely adheres to the Marxist philosophy of spreading the wealth and/or take from the haves to give to the have nots, but more seriously, Obama is a Muslim, who believes wholeheartedly in the written Koran and the tenets espoused therein. In case you did not put two and two together, Obama is a radical Muslim. He even has fooled the Elitists who hover around him.

      Least you may have forgotten, Muslims lie, cheat, steal, break promises, covenants, their word, whatever is necessary to accomplish their agenda, goals and policies. THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. Anything that Obama does in any sphere that he operates is kosher for him to be successful in his Jihad to destroy the Republic of the United States of America. make no doubt about it. He also plans to name himself as the head of the Caliphate here in this country. Side note: Barack Obama, Sr. absolutely is not Obama’s father. There is not even the slightest of similarities of their persons in any way. Let’s put it another way. Obama is not an Obama. Is that clear enough?

      There are so many things that are scattered and tattered in the lost history of Barack Hussein Obama, that it it extremely difficult to put the pieces together, particularly when all of his past history is in effect blotted out by the freezing of all his records from birth and refusal to release even one jot or tittle. His responsibilities aside, why do you think his hair is turning gray? He fears truth!

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:07pm

      @JZS
      23 moinths of job growth? 3.5 millions NEW JOBS! Best I can remember of all the blather. The workforce when this whole charade started, there were something like 160,000,000 in the work force. Umployment was at, what 7.6%. Apparently there are something like 125,000 NEW employable people in this country every month. I-ll be charitable and use the numer of 380,000 as the median of NEW unemployment claims. So extrapolating we should have an additional 8 million people employed , but the work force is nowis 154,300,000 but it should be 163, 850,000.
      Now taking pi, and coincidental angle of the sun on Feb. 8, I ask you only to offer a rational argument that thet unemployment rate is effectively 8.3% – or even more simly- there has been a growth in PRIVATE sector employment as a function of employable residents for 23 months.In the spirit of fairness please define as to relevant function of population baseline workforce, total workforce, corporate non- farm workforce, seasonally adjusted as to proportionate relative significane as to thbe price of tea in China’s spot markeof course in cooresponding real time,

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    • JesusH.Christ
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:11pm

      Oh,… ok.
      Now I know you’re insane.
      Either that or you‘re Donald Trump’s illegitimate son.

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    • SHOWMESTATEGUY
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:15pm

      The Democratic Party, MSM, and the present administration will lie, cheat and steal to win the upcoming election. The left in this country have no morals and they see nothing wrong with lying, cheating or stealing if that keeps them in office.

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:20pm

      Obama’s pathway to the Presidency was assisted by dark and sinister forces. The books allegedly written by him were profoundly not written by him and contain falsehood after falsehood to prepare a history for him that differs substantially from reality or truth, for if reality and truth were known about Obama, he would not have made it to the Illinois Senate, let alone to the Presidency of the United States. As was said in my above post, Obama fears that his charade, which he is deeply committed to, will be exposed before he can carry out his dastardly acts and measures which will not only turn this country completely on its head, but will release death and destruction not only in America but throughout the world. This is not hypothesis, conjecture or opinion. We are dealing with an emissary straight from the pits of Hell, and obviously not to be taken lightly in any respect.

      He must be countered with every earthly and heavenly force and contended with as your very life and that of your loved ones depended on his complete defeat, for it surely does. All Hell is raging openly and seeks those who will align themselves with its unholy terror. Barack Hussein Obama is one of Hell’s chief disciples. Only alinement with Heaven and the forces of the Living God can stop him.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:29pm

      @Vechorik
      I remember him saying that sort of thing (2009). Tell me why he is even less libertarian now…Seems like he has backtracked again – and it has to do with the middle east no doubt

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    • JesusH.Christ
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:40pm

      A Conservative wingnut is someone on the far-right wing of the political spectrum – the professional partisan, the unhinged activist and the paranoid conspiracy theorist. They’re the people who always try to divide rather than unite us.

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:01pm

      JESUSH.CHRIST, not beating the drum for George W. Bush. He did more than his share of pointing and continuing this country on the road to becoming a third world nation. Dear George reminds me a bit of Nero, sitting there fiddling while Rome burned. President Bush knew damn well what was happening with the housing market mushrooming and billowing out of control thanks to Barney Fwanks, Chris Dodd, Fanny May and Freddie Mac, and all the bundlers at Goldman Sachs, Citi Group, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch, Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers and the list goes on. Pres. Bush took a few of them aside a couple times and got no cooperation. Did he ever hear of fireside chats? As serious as matters were, the very least he could have done was to take the matters to the American people. Don’t know if Bush was ignorant, intimidated or outright complicit, or a combination thereof, but he dropped the ball in this area as well as in immigration reform, which I believe he purposefully avoided.

      The huge difference between Bush and Obama, is that Obama increased both the incline and the decline of the economy upon the road to complete destruction. Bush owes this country a major apology for he sat by while the bubbles were expanding and the mischief and crime was being conducted. Domestically Bush was a failure. The economy was unraveling behind the scenes, and he did nothing. Obama relished the opportunity of enacting and promoting his socialistic, progressive whacked policies-a disaster.

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    • Hankstwocents
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:04pm

      you‘re being too kind to satan’s little helper

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    • PatriotNAmerica
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:20pm

      While I believe that these hyenas in the Democrat Party wouls stoop to any level in order to promote their Marxist leader, it’s time that people stop focusing on the President and the Congress when it comes to the economy. The Federal Reserve is without question the Prime Mover behind the economic cycle and it’s past time that all Conservatives Americans become aware of this since after all Bill Clintion said it is about the economy stupid…

      Well it’s interesting to me that all Democrats are coming into the White House with 0% or extremely low rates while the most recent Rs are leaving with high rates! One can easily see how the public can come to assoicate Ds with booms and Rs with busts.. Not only has Obumma had 0% rates for going on 4 years he’s borrowed almost 2 Trillion dollars from the future! Not to mention all these short term tax incentives and breaks..

      We must educate the people on the economic cycle… We can’t rely on the Media to tell us the truth!

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:26pm

      YOU GOTTA LOVE THE OBAMA spin meisters. Stock market up? Really…Is it the same? Or is it being propped up by the same man who brought it down? Why don’t you Obama-files explain to the rest of us about the 1.2 MILLION Americans who have been search, in vain, for any type of employment and have now just quit trying. Making your 8.3 about 11 when you add the rest of the people who are only able to get part-time or far less $. YOUR GUY wanted a ‘society” he could control??? GOOD TRY. NO CIGAR. WHAT CLINT SAID: YOU can give us a hit, but AMERICANS can take a blow and we come back stronger than ever, NO THANKS TO BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, Socialist, Marxist, Manchurian Candidate (Islam style). GEORGIE can keep paying you to stay on this blog…take his money, we‘re not buying what you’re trying to sell.

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    • teapartyguardian
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:50pm

      The lefties always give themselves away when they cite 2 UNFUNDED WARS! Then they proceed to gloss over the 2 years of a democrap congress leading up to the mess where obama accelerated the damage. Bad things are happening all around the US and world, and these morons still defend the LIAR in Chief!

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:39pm

      BLS.GOV is an agency that is controlled by el presidente…and they’ve been known to render unto Caesar.

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    • gsp9993
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:40pm

      Correct. The most corrupt administration ever. Nothing can be trusted, everything is a lie or terribly misleading. The real sadness is that Barry has a stable of lying Czars paid by us to cover his ass.

      One more time America….Bury Barry in 2012, ABO in 2012…Anybody but Obama

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    • onthefrontline
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:01pm

      This Administration has been less than truthful since 2009
      Why would they CHANGE now.. Libos just turn a blind eye..

      http://stutteringmessiah.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-top-10-flip-flops/

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    • jzs
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:36pm

      I understand that the Republican party has a vested interest in keeping the economy as bad as possible until the 2012 elections. Putting party above they good of the country, they have blocked or tried to block every job initiative Obama has proposed. Instead they have proposed to double down on the same policies that did nothing to improve job growth, or the economy during the Bush administration: cut taxes for the rich. Bush tried that twice, the deficit grew and the economy tanked.

      During the last months of the “cut taxes for the rich” policy the US was losing 700,000 a month. A month. Within three months of Obama’s (and Bush’s) stimulus effort, the economy started to come out of the steep dive:

      http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/bikini-graph-January-2012.jpg

      Now we‘ve had 23 straight months of job growth and the stock market is higher than it’s been since 2008.

      Sure, the Republicans want Obama to fail. That‘s why they’ve blocked his economic initiatives, and have instead proposed tripling down on Bush’s catastrophic policies. Of course they’re also supporting, not their constituents, but their rich political donors. Why else cut taxes for the billionaires again, when the US has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that doesn’t help the economy?

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    • WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges09
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 4:44am

      “A Closer Look at the Jan. Jobless Numbers: Are They ‘Being Made Up?’ ”

      Obama … liar … duh …

      BTW, what is wrong with these nígģers-high-places? Is their racist white-hatred so great they are willing to put holes in the very ship they are sailing? Sad race (the curse of Cain — or half-a-curse, in Obama’s case).

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    • americansfightingforcommonsense
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 7:23am

      Just like the Global Warming emails that were finally shown to the general public. “If the data doesn’t prove your point then just CHANGE the data!” Obama did promise CHANGE!

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    • ketrout
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 11:30am

      I have been saying that from the very beginning! Obama and his administration are again using FUZZY MATH to make him look more favorable. I can see through him and I pray that more of the American people see it as well.

      Obama is as corrupt as they come. Like you, I had a lot of respect for our government until they tried to impeach Clinton. Then I started to open my eyes to see how corrupt our government really is!

      WAKE UP AMERICA, WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF THIS IDIOT’S KIND OF CHANGE!!!

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    • ertdfg
      Posted on February 9, 2012 at 12:38am

      You want a number that means something and isn’t massaged beyond recognition?

      One that the government puts out; but hasn’t been altered by other groups?

      Well why didn’t you say so?

      Try the Employment-Population Ratio… the percentage of Americans over the age of 16 with a job… that’s all it is, no “seasonal adjustments” no “workforce adjustments”… just a number.

      http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000

      Current number as of January? 58.5%… up from the 2011 summer’s 58.2% which was a 25+ year low. Change from last month? 0.0. Our “massive unemployment drop” and “tons of new jobs” and “amazing growth”? Yeah, it resulted in 0.0% more Americans over the age of 16 being employed.

      Want to know why the economy doesn‘t feel like it’s getting better? Because it’s not. There aren’t more people with jobs, there are more people without jobs… regardless how you spin this, a 25+ year low isn’t a good thing.

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  • CleanUpAisle2013
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:22pm

    From The Burning Platform: Illusion of Recovery-Feelings versus Facts: http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=28887

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    • IMPEACHBHO
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:31pm

      Just, razzle dazzle em! All in support of a dictator.

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  • loveoursoldiers
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:22pm

    I just had an ah ha moment after hearing Axlerod spinning Obama’s change re: super pacs. He was asked
    if Obama was being a hypocrite. he said.. ohno.. he is just playing by the same rules.
    tada
    I think it is Axlerod who is TOTUS. He takes regular words that mean the same thing to most people and they make them mean something else. Then if the response is negative they go back to the original meaning as if we all misinterpreted what was said.
    Then I was thinking of the thea‘tricks’ they used in 08..Obama girl.. will there be a new one? or will it be Obama boy? How about those fainting people down front that prompted the hero on the stage to stop everything and get water for the fainting person? fainting from his mere presence.
    OMG
    Thinking about that now makes me laugh. and then it scares me that this person is so deceitful that he would have actors fainting for effect. yikes.
    Bottom line.. I believe everything is a lie, staged etc.. They have the power to skew numbers etc. and they do it.. He has the b***s to get up and lie to the American people because he believes people are stupid enough to believe him. So he will do everything he can to stay where he is.. and I mean anything. because he will just deny he was behind any of it like he has done for 3 years. No, I didn’t know. no I don’t keep track of everything.. blah blahblah.. the truth is just the opposite. I don’t know if there is a term for this? pathological liar.. a narcissist trait

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  • jand777
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:21pm

    I am unemployed and WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. He is a marxist who wants to fundamentally transform America. The problem with that is he is not being honest about his plans. You are correct every administration manipulates the numbers, its just I think this administration has really evil intentions. Right now, I DON’T TRUST EITHER SIDE. THEY ARE ALL LIARS.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:21pm

    The government is lying? Oh the horror that’s just not possible,the Marxist will say and do anything maybe even start a war to stay in power.

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  • HLGarret
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:17pm

    Same way with the inflation figures……’gee, let’s leave out the fact that gas and food are surging so we can look better!!’….they must think we’re blind, stupid, knuckle dragin’hay-seed hicks!

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:13pm

      Please, he is from Hahvahd, he wouldn’t use language like that. He would say “So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” :-D

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:16pm

    Do you really think the unemployed don’t know those numbers are garbage? The people they know are not getting jobs, in fact for many, more jobs are getting lost. This was coming without a doubt, he had to manipulate the numbers or the lemmings wouldn’t vote for him. Got news for him though, the folks in the black community are where they were or worse, and the only way he can keep them is to beg for “four more years”, to “finish” his work of getting them jobs. The only thing he will finish is our country if we don’t get him out. I hope people wise up and realize he is ruining this country, prime example is the pipeline. It makes me really ill to think of what is happening while we are fighting over our candidates, I hope we get it together and get him the heck out.

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  • shogun459
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:16pm

    A Key ingrediant REQUIRED for a REVOLUTION is a spike in unemployed Youn Men.

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  • Brontefan
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:11pm

    Of course, the media is going to do all they can to support the Marxist-in-Chief…even though much of the policies being pushed are going to totally eliminate the middle class and destroy our country. It’s the excessive spending spree–which regardless of the 2010 elections, has not stopped. It hasn’t even slowed. It’s just one more way to promote his agenda… by destroying the economy and then being able to take over and “do what he believes is best” …for us! Fasten your seatbelts folks, pretty soon you will be scanned every where you go, have no civil rights, be forbidden to criticize the Prez, and be threatened if you don’t go along with green. It‘s Orwell’s 1984.

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    • shogun459
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:20pm

      Yeah, that‘s why they waited till they had a generation that couldn’t read 1984 or Animal Farm.

      NEA numbers state that 51% of all High School Grads are illiterate, for the last 25 years.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:25pm

      NEA numbers state that 51% of all High School Grads are illiterate, for the last 25 years.

      Their own numbers are the reason they shouldn’t exist.

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    • iblvingd
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:27pm

      Of Course the numbers are made up. The way employers report new hires and report on quarterly taxes for unemployment taxes (which would be the only way actual numbers could be compiled). It is “impossible to give any numbers” that would be in any way close to an accurate number at the first of February to the month of January! The government would have to get all the information from all the states with in a twinkling of an eye. and if the government was that damn good we wouldn’t be where we are today.

      So anyone who could believe that what spews out of the mouth of the Media or the President about any program working or not working a few weeks later,is nothing but laughable! Only through the test of time ( which should be months or years) with close reporting accounting can anything, anywhere, any time every be given any accuracy of results. All we get the the odor of BS coming out of the government and media!

      For the suckers that believe, it will be rewarding to be able to say, “We told you so”!

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:19pm

      1979-The Dept. Of Education was created by Jimmy Crack-corn.
      25 years ago-that would be about right for when the Dept. of Ed. started to ramp up and get it’s agenda going.

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  • Thevoice
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:08pm

    Did anyone else hear goofy AP Joe’s answer to the young mans question on manipulation of student college loans yesterday in Tallahassee . Joe is the best at accidentally dropping the truth . He said they (meaning yours and my money) are paying to keep 9 million in college. People we are dealing with “New age progressive communists”. They may not stand, wave and march in Red Square with tanks. But their political ideology is the same. State control.And that means control on every level of government. Including what message is spewed to the citizen. They have a giant black hole in them, they,can never lie enough, steal enough. To meet the goals of their ideology. They are so far removed from what true American principles are and mean. Truth and honesty and the basic laws of God and his wisdom to lead.

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:08pm

    This is a little like the way Stalin lowered the unemployment rate in Russia, only instead of dropping people from the official count he murdered them and thereby got better unemployment numbers.
    Maybe that’s next from our leader if he gets another 4 years…

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    • yiska8
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:32pm

      Finally, someone else on this site remembers how Stalin operated. He killed more people than demon Hitler and Stalin killed his own people. Winston Churchill was the only leader during WWII who never bought his act. FDR fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The USA and UK had to work with Stalin in order to get Hitler. The lesser of two evils.And then the Cold War began. Surprise. Surprise. No one understands history, so I fear it will repeat itself.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 5:03pm

      @YISKA8:
      People don’t want to see the similarities between Hitler, Stalin, the 30′s…and our “president”.
      But history is repeating itself.
      I know far too many naive democrats who respond to my comments by sneering at me and saying “He’s our PRESIDENT!! How can you say he wants to harm us?”.
      I just tell them to vote in the special election on Wednesday so they don’t have to run into people like me on Tuesday at the polls. I think Mark Levin came up with that.

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    • yiska8
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:08am

      They do the same to me. They been taught history from the loser’s viewpoint for their entire lives. “The underbelly of history” is what one of my social justice leaning professors once called it. They’re obsessed with it in universities. I was always interested in both viewpoints, but it got to a point where I could feel the seething anger under their teaching lectures toward our country. Only a handful of students would try and defend the red,white, and blue out of fear of receiving lesser grades or not wanting to make an enemy out of a professor. They just *issed me off and so I gave up reading “modern revisionist history” a long time ago and read from historical accounts of that period and soon after. You mentioned what happened in Russia. I had one old school professor who focused on this intently. She taught on how Hitler got all the attention and it was due, but no one defended the Russians who did help us in WWII from Stalin. He was a brutal dictator and murderer who killed million of innocent, hungry, tired Russians. So few of us really take the long view of history.Communism,socialism,marxism, and totalitarianism in general, all lead to this at one point or another. That seems to be the road that liberals want to take us. Lord be with us.

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  • ColoradoMaverick
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:07pm

    Smoke and mirrors from Obama. That is what you get with an empty suit in the White House. Even Michelle Obama can’t grow a real garden in back. They had to bring in plants and transplant them. Hope and Change Baby.

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    • JRook
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:18pm

      You see this is how people get duped by Rush and similar purveyors of half truths and misrepresentation. Whether you agree with or accept the methodology, it is the same methodology that has been used for decades with minor adjustments to improve accuracy. So feel free to go back and examine similar reports during Bush’s upswing in jobs…. That is before he tanked the economy.

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    • Stone Cold Truth
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:43pm

      Hey Rook, we’re worried about the present. Bush is gone. Also, at least Bush had 6 years or more of a good economy. The fact is Bush had an AVERAGE unemployment rate of 3.5 %. The highest was 7.8 in the last month of his lame duck term after Obama and his announced Obamacare were elected.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:05pm

      JROOK….you’re an idiot. If the labor force has shrunk and more Americans have left the work force then the “methodolgy” isn’t meeting the requirements is it sport? If you‘re not acknowledging the millions who’ve simply given up looking for a job you‘re not addressing the problem in it’s actual scope are you sport? You liberal idiots want to see this country on it‘s knees don’t you? You really don’t care about people, you care about your precious ideology and how it’s perceived. You utterly sicken me.

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    • yiska8
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:59pm

      @jRook
      It’s one thing to lose jobs in your administration, that’s common and can happen to any President and numbers are lies when they do not match reality. When things were great, no one but politicians paid attention because people were providing for their families, but when things have turned out as they have to such a terrible economic degree, everyone is watching. I didn’t vote for Obama, but I thought he might try and look like he knew what he was doing. I thought he would cut taxes to at least make it look like he was trying to apply some sound economic reason to helping the economy. I thought maybe he would ease off business regulations temporarily at least to see if things improved and large and small businesses hired again. All he did was funnel money to his green czars and more of my money is gone. He may have been handed a broke down truck, but common sense would dictate that he would have at least tried to clean the sparkplugs and change the gas before he took a sledgehammer to it. If the economy wasn’t running well before, Obama has taken a sledgehammer to it and has crushed whatever opportunity was left for the ordinary American. This is Obama’s economy.

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    • JesusH.Christ
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:29pm

      The Broke Down Truck had been stripped clean of any working parts by the CEOs, The Banks, Wall st. etc., and left at the bottom of a ravine by the time it was handed to Obama. I know you guys want to pin the blame on Obama but the truth is it’s was the Republicans who drove the truck off the road and over a cliff.

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:55pm

      JESUSH.CHRIST, you don’t have the wisdom of God and are blinded by the Imposter-in-Chief, whose frigging agenda, which is designed to literally destroy this country, is obviously beyond your comprehension and ability to understand. The problem with you flaming liberals is that you are infected with a disease of the mind. to better understand yourself and learn about the possible solution for your liberation and freedom, please take the time to read The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Dr. Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., MD, a forensic psychiatrist with 35 years of experience and a graduate of the University of Chicago School of Medicine. You will be helped immensely should you read the same with an open mind.

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    • yiska8
      Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:53am

      @CarbonYes
      I knew it had to be a mental disorder of some kind. I knew it!!!
      @JesushChrist
      You‘re right the CEO’s and banksters did their crimes and damaged that old chevy truck, our economy, but they didn’t destroy it. But, Obama should have punished them legally. Instead he was probably more angry he didn’t get in on the game WITH THEM sooner. So he took over Government Motors, installed Obamacare (without writing it or reading it) before passing the bill, gave billions to the Green Energy scam, refused to cut taxes early on in this now Depression economy, and now he’s dictating like a good King to the Roman Catholic Church about how they need to have healthcare that pays for abortions and birth control. Not to mention, the F&F plan that should be his WATERGATE.
      Sure, a truck got driven off the cliff, but it was Obama who didn’t want to fix it, he put a brick on the gas, threw it in drive and said to hell with it. And yet he recently said, ” I DESERVE ANOTHER TERM.” Wow. some people are just downright AFFLICTED with Liberal psychosis to not see this man’s actions for what they are. You deserve what you vote for. The problem is that we’re all punished for it. Go ahead and do it again. Give him your vote and send the the American people over the next cliff.

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  • LovinUSA
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:07pm

    Any thing this man does are either deflected, lied about, (good ol’ Jay Carne), or pointed in another direction , he even has grown a damn crooked finger, because he cannot point it at himself! It always points the OTHER way no matter what.

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  • ModerationIsBest
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:06pm

    Most numbers are fudged nowadays.

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  • disenlightened
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:05pm

    By the end of today I can promise you two things about this topic:

    1. A bunch of liberal trolls will change the subject to how they can‘t support Romney because he’s not Ronald Reagan and if he is the nominee they’ll stay home and not vote.

    2. A bunch of Ron Paul supporters will change the subject to how this proves Romney is not a conservative, and neither are Gingrich and Santorum, and that Magoo is the only man in the world who can save America. And if he’s not the nominee, they aren’t go to vote.

    Okay frauds, have at it.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:09pm

      Distraction and smear is all the left has. Obama can’t run on an acceptable record.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:28pm

      @Gonzo
      So how do we educate them without looking stupid? There are people out there who just hate anything with an (R) behind it and will always vote Democrap. Generally, these are the same people who are dumb-as-rocks stupid. The only way to get to them is to take away their tv, internet, beer and cigarette money, or gas money, so they get mad enough to actually hate the Annointed One.

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    • yiska8
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 5:12pm

      @Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      We have the best fed and internet/smartphone savvy poor in the world, because they don’t pay for food, housing, medical, or in some cases, even their utilities. You and I pay for it. I see it every time I go to the store. $150 in groceries on food stamps and then a $100 bill is whipped out to pay for cigarettes and beer. Then drive away in their Hummer. Cut off food stamps and everything else that able bodied lazy SOB’s think they are entitled to and you will have riots for a while, but they’ll turn on Obama in a second. However, this would be political suicide for Obama, but if he gets desperate enough in a close election, don’t put it past him.

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  • LaBelle
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:05pm

    Off topic for a minute but what the heck is up with Andrew Breitbart and all of his big site writers? They’re constantly doing hit articles on Glenn. Maybe Glenn Should go read all of their crap and try to explain it to us. It’s like Andrew and his writers are trying to divide people even more. Before we were all for BOTH Andrew and Glenn and now Breitbart is forcing us to choose sides. Well I choose Glenn, at least Glenn has never bad mouthed Andrew and his sites.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:10pm

      That‘s right you’re off topic and this topic is too important to ignore. Find a Brietbart article and whine all you want to there.

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    • kspatriot
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:13pm

      I’m sure they are competing for the same viewers and advertisers. That’s the problem with greed, and why are country will never change. People will sell their souls for that worthless piece of paper. Once you get too commercial, you become part of the establishment and once part of the establishment you fight for the status quo.

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    • LaBelle
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:15pm

      Ohh, well I wonder who died and made YOU the boss of this site, idiot.

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    • LaBelle
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:17pm

      You’re probably right Patriot, I also think Andrew got whizzed When Scott Baker went to work for Glenn.

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  • bandi9
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:05pm

    i have said it for 3 years—lying has become an acceptable behavioral trait, and that is the lowest common denominator for our demise.

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  • kspatriot
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:04pm

    NOTHING that comes out of this administration is the truth. They are making up the figures to reflect favorably, just as they make up the laws as they go along. TYRANTS ONE AND ALL!

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:13pm

      Obama’s administration has to fabricate numbers. The truth is too damaging to them. More importantly, Obama’s playing games with Americans that are really hurting right now. We bicker and snipe at Obama’s corruptocracy (and deservedly so) but we forget what’s really important is getting more Americans back to work. That means growing the labor force, not contracting it and mojoing the numbers as Obama’s doing. People are hurting right now…enough game playing from Obama. The vulgarity of massaging employment numbers while people hurt is beyond the pale.

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  • TheObamanation
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:02pm

    People without a job will not be fooled by the numbers. Anybody that’s unemployed … and votes for Obama … wants to be uneployed … soooooo … fudge the numbers and say what you want … The truth is still the truth.

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  • SoCaLCapitalist
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:01pm

    nothing to see here. be happy if your ruler has allowed you to have a job.

    Time to vote in 2012, If you aren’t registered, register now.

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  • ldaopines
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:00pm

    Well, I’m jobless, and decided to quit looking for now. Over the past 4 years, 2 employers had to close their doors, and the last one had to reduce hours and consolidate jobs to stay alive. All private sector small businesses! Now I’d have to work for peanuts and drive my car into the ground to get the few jobs offered in my field in AZ. I keep tabs on openings, and nothing looks good from here. The job numbers mean absolutely nothing.

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  • RightPolitically
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:59pm

    More smoke and mirrors from Big O and his minions. Everybody knows how bad things are. Cooking the books ain’t gonna help him be reelected, unless of course, Romney wimps out debating him.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:04pm

      Romeny wimp out? How would we tell the difference?

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:58pm

    The MSM will never report this and the sheeple will continue to graze quietly thinking things are looking up.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:20pm

      GONZO..it’s up to us. Many people watch FOX but that’s not enough. It’s up to us. Blogs, workplaces. Do what Obama is demanding of his minions…“speak” to your families and co-workers and friends and neigbours. People already don‘t trust the MSM it’s time to seal that deal. I’ve already alerted a co-worker to the girl scout/planned parenthood allliance and she was dumbfounded to find out about it. She immediately went online and confirmed it. THIS is how we defeat Obama and the left.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:29pm

      AvengerK, I do all that but, where I live, I’m preaching to the quire. You can openly question Obama and the Democrats anywhere around here with no argument and whoever the Republicans run will win this state. When I see the national polls I have to scratch my head because his approval rating where I live is in the 30′s at best. Now I see nationally he’s at 50%! I honestly hate to be pesimistic about the situation but, it is what it is. You are correct though, I am discouraged.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:32pm

      …and as far as FNC, yes they are definately a help against Obama but, they seem to openly support progessives as long as they have an R by their name.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:39pm

      choir

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    • goahead.makemyday
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:00pm

      Same here Gonzo
      Even a good part of the Dems here are not going to vote for Obama. Of course I’m from N FL the only sane part of the state left.

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  • Impenitent
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:51pm

    it is time for the summer of lies…

    don’t you know? Obama is the savior of America…

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  • ozchambers
    Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:46pm

    Are they being made up? Only if you think the Obama Administration would lie to the American public….

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:53pm

      but obama does not lie…………unless he opens his mouth

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    • CatB
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:55pm

      That would be a BIG YES … that is what they do ;-)

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    • knockered
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:00pm

      I can’t say he is the most deceptive one of them all but he sure is close. When are the blacks, latino, and the stupid white people gonna see that he is only out for himself and his beliefs and they may benefit for a while but in the end they will be the biggest losers and he’ll be merrily gone and on his way. Wake up you morons before he destroys America as we once knew it..

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:05pm

      The unemployment numbers have been fudged for decades. This is not an Obama specific thing.

      Any number that would reflect negatively on our economy is fudged to make it seem not so bad.

      Our economy is based around consumption, and consumption is based around confidence on the ability to be able to keep consuming.

      Once that confidence is crippled, consumption lowers, when consumption lowers, our economy gets weaker, when our economy gets weaker, our confidence gets worse, and so and and so on.

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