France Arrests Muslim Woman On First Day of Burqa Ban
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PARIS (The Blaze/AP) — Paris police have detained a woman wearing an Islamic veil at a protest on the first day of France’s ban on the face coverings.
The ban makes France the first country in the world to forbid the veils anywhere in public.
About a dozen people, including three women wearing veils, staged a protest in front of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Monday, and one woman was taken away in a van.
A police officer on the site says the woman was detained because the protest was not authorized and the protesters refused to disperse.
The London Telegraph, however, says two women were arrested.
It is unclear whether they were fined. The law says veiled women risk a euro150 ($215) fine or special citizenship classes.
But despite the arrests, the Telegraph says police are fearful of enforcing the ban:
Police admitted they were enforcing the ban extremely cautiously because of fears of provoking violence.
“The law will be very difficult to apply on certain estates,” said Patrice Ribeiro, of the Synergie police union.
“I can’t see police going to book dozens of veiled women doing their shopping in Venissieux or in Trappes,” Mr Ribeiro said, referring to two Paris suburbs where riots regularly break out because of alleged discrimination against Muslims.”
“It will be the same when a police officer is about to arrest a veiled Saudi who is about to go into Louis Vuitton on the Champs Elysees.”
Mohamed Douhane, another Paris police officer and Synergie member, said he and his colleagues also “expected provocation by a minority.’ Mr Douhane added: “Fundamentalist movements are eager to raise the stakes. The police know they will be held responsible for any public order disturbances.”
Police have already been warned not to arrest women “in or around” mosques, and “citizen’s de-veilings” are also banned.
The strict instructions, from Interior Minister Claude Guent, are contained in a nine page circular issued to officers.
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loadingmyclips
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:27amFrance is such a beautiful country. It is a shame that these insects dress like bagworms and ruin the view. Screw their protests let them return to a muslum country!
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:40amThere are about 500 women in France wearing veils that cover the whole face.
They passed a law that applies to 400 out of 65 million French.
If that’s not the wrong and most reactionary way to go about this, I don’t know what would be. “Protecting the dignity of women” obviously means “treating people like children and telling them they cannot wear what they want to wear” now.
Report Post »Chicago Ray
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:41amThis is what people like Doctor Strangelove don’t seem to grasp in their defense of the Muslim hiding behind veils and Burkhas in the western world. They use these things the same way they use Mosques to hide in and shoot from during war, or to hide munitions from the government and other prying eyes hiding behind their religion every step of the way.
If they wish to blame anyone for taking their so called right to hide their faces and bodies from public view it’s their Muslim brethren who again use the Burkha as a tool of Jihad so the Muslim male can dress up as a Muslim woman and hide weaponry and suicide belts and what have you behind them.
If Muslim men didn‘t hide behind women and children as anyone with a semblance of a brain remaining knows they do then there wouldn’t be a problem. But they do and therefore in the name of the safety of the other 90% of France’s residents they must show their faces like the rest of the civilized world.
Otherwise why can‘t the bank robber wear a Ronald Reagan Mask wherever he goes claiming it’s his or her religious right to do so?
Slippery slopes everywhere you turn, and the Muslim likes to exploit every crack and crevice they can manage in every free society they invade in order to bring down their freedom into tyranny, just like ALL Americans are suffering through right now in airports across the globe because of one group of people and one group only.
THE GUTLESS BARBARIC MUSLIM.
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:42amWhoops, should read “400” in both cases. I thought 500, looked it up and then only edited one of the two.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:56amCHICAGO RAY….
I defend FREEDOM, son… and I have sacrificed much in that defense.
Your willful ignorance aside, I’m NOT a Muslim (I’m a JEW with a mother who is a HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR) and I KNOW FIRST HAND the results of religious bigotry, intolerance and STUPIDITY and you worldview seems to be rooted in ALL of that.
We are AMERICANS.. and as soon as we start acting like those who we DESPISE… we BECOME them.
Report Post »TheGeneral
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:35amI heard on UK news its around 2000 who wear it in France.
So you would support women in or visiting muslim lands to not have to cover up, after all thats the state saying what they can & cannot wear, why no reaction to that?
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:23amI lost a sizable portion of my right leg during TET… my mother still sports a tattoo on her forearm she got in Treblinka, but we still supported the rights of Neonazis in Skokie to march and we supported Oliver North when his rights were being violated. We supported Alice Walker (author of “The Color Purple) when her books were banned and we ostensibly wrote the “Violence Against Women Act”.
We have fought and won for the rights of American Indians, Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and even Atheists to be able to express themselves anywhere they wish without retribution. Free speech isn’t about tolerating what you agree with… it is about tolerating what enrages you to the core of your existence… and defending those whom you despise when their rights are being trampled upon and this French ban is anathema to all of the values that we in America hold dear.
We believe that if the rights of free expression can be taken away from some people today, then there is nothing that would stop these freedoms to be taken away from everyone tomorrow. History has borne this simple truth out time and again, and it has happened everywhere. It is an eternal struggle.. as the tools that we all use to repress the base emotions of humanity is what we call “civilization”.
Perhaps someday, when France remembers what “Liberté, égalité, fraternité” means, they will rejoin those societies that refuse to allow ignorance, fear and hatred to define them.
For me, I consider myself lucky to have been born in the greatest nation on earth with a BILL of RIGHTS that are considered “UNALIENABLE” and I couldn’t be prouder to be an AMERICAN where something like this can never happen.
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:30am“where something like this can never happen.”
I agree with every part of your post except the last. Be ever vigilant of this. Starting from the assumption that something can never happen will just result in you being blindsided when it finally does.
Report Post »Chicago Ray
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:32amI‘m sure you’ll be saying this when your other leg gets blown off by some Burkha wearing bomb carrying Muslim terrorist dressed up as a woman on an Amtrak train or an Israeli bus right? Sure you will.
Sure you will Mr Virtue. Stick that righteous holier than thou bullspit where it came from Mr Knowledge.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:38amNON-SEQUITUR…
I’m not saying that we should not forever be vigilant… for you are correct that when we let our guards down, those who would sacrifice our precious Bill of Rights will get their way. We have been close to having that happen in the past and it is a SACRED DUTY that we all guard against it in the future.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:50amCHICAGO RAY….
If someone gets a bomb onboard a train (or whatever).. it will be in the baggage area or a briefcase.
Your fears notwithstanding, we can’t allow our Bill of Rights to be the final victim of DOMESTIC terror.. which is allowing mindsets like your own to prevail.
Your responses to me (so far) have been petulant and juvenile and if you would like to debate the issues as an ADULT, I’d like to engage you as one.. if you continue your silly snarky evasions, you can go talk to your little friends over at the jungle-gym.
Report Post »Angie
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:59amClinton masks for everyone!
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 5:18pmDOCSTRANGELOVE,
Report Post »DOCSTRANGELOVE
Baloney! You’ve sacrificed nothing! You are a teller of tales.
Hmmm., if you speak truth….,what areyou and your Mother doing for Israel? I mean you and Mom have supported so many causes. What are you doing for the brave, tiny, giving, democracy that is Israel?
They have EARNED everything that they have.They only attack when THEY have been attacked.
What say you DOCSTRANGELOVE? What are you and Mom doing to support Israel. You support everything else.
eat-more-bacon-USA
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:20amWear a terror-hood in France – get arrested.
Report Post »sasoldier4god
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:02amOh this will not end well…….
Report Post »Zay Gezunt
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:58amFrance is a fortunate nation. The burqa wearing population of about 500 was the last remaining problem to be solved, and now everything is perfect.
Report Post »rabblechat
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:57amGood for France! Maybe our leadership will take a queue from them and grow a spine on the border issue.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:52amIf I were a French police officer I would be worried about violence too. I may be dating myself but there was a Bugs Bunny cartoon where there was a bad guy who was obviously a Muslim with a turban whose only line that he said over and over again was “Hassan Chop”. That pretty well sums it up. If you say or do anything that upsets many Muslims, and many things seems to upset them, then their reaction is to “chop”.
Report Post »If the French want to stop the wearing of veils quickly, all they have to do is every time they arrest a woman for wearing one is once they arrest her, post a picture of her without her veil on T.V. every night. If her husband or one of her male relatives feel the need to defend the family honor by killing the woman, then it would time to dust off the old guillotine and put it back in use. Some of these people need to be taught the lesson that in civilized countries “honor” killing is murder, and there is harsh punishment for murdering someone.
TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:08amI guess I’m old, too. I remember Hassan Chop. That sure couldn’t be made today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlMJfX_V6Ic
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 4:14pmDocStrangeLove: “We have fought and won for the rights of American Indians, Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and even Atheists to be able to express themselves anywhere they wish without retribution.”
Report Post »——–
Let me get this straight. You are fighting for the right of Muslim men to subjugate their women. Or are you saying that Muslim women wear burqas of their own free will? Do Muslim women even have a free will?
DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 5:49pmKRYPTONITE…
I will reply to you this once as I generally don’t waste my time debating pathological LIARS.
I defend RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.. the freedom that Muslim women may wear what they CHOOSE to wear for whatever reasons they deem proper.
Got it?
Good.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 7:54pmDocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 6:26pm
KRYPTONITE…
ONCE MORE… I will reply to you this once as I generally don’t waste my time debating pathological LIARS.
I defend RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.. the freedom that Muslim women may wear what they CHOOSE to wear for whatever reasons they deem proper.
Report Post »———–
More ad hominem BS. Didn’t anyone teach you to posit a strong argument? Oh, that’s right. You can’t find one, because you are defending an illusion of the liberal mind, lamebrain. Muslim women don’t have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE anything. GOT IT?
svedka
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:52amkudos to the french, these full body coverings are a statement of mind control. Now if we can please do something here about the pants below the a** crack, or better yet maybe we could make the pants below the a** crack wear the full body covering.
Report Post »Malcom0983
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:52amNotice the woman smiling in the second picture. This is a game to them while the rest of the world is fearing for their lives. Savages.
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:48amI don’t agree at all with Sharia Law, but it seems like the Muslim women are being punished by something their men impose. Sharia Law should be targeted and outlawed, and the men who carry out the barbaric punishments under Sharia should be arrested. These women shouldn’t be forced to wear a burka, but arresting them for going in public with one on (when, if they don’t wear one they will be beated or worse) isn’t going to fix the problem. Sharia Law is the root – take THAT out.
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:49amI meant “beaten”. Sorry
Report Post »loadingmyclips
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:32amThe French are a truly visual nation. These bagworms go against the total philosophy of the French mind set. Makes no difference who imposed what. They are disgusting sights in a place of beauty. There is a place for these worms and it isn’t in France, or America either for that matter.
Report Post »Knight Templar
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:21pm1proudAmerican
You have a good point.
Report Post »dadsrootbeer
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:45amDon’t like the law then leave and go back to where you came from. If you want to move out of your “muslim sharia law” areas then you are subject to the laws and customs of the other country. If you don‘t want to assimilate then that’s your problem.
Report Post »Deanna in Missouri
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:45amI think France may have waited to long. How many muslims do they have now…5 million? Are we going to wait to long also?
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:12amI agree with you. I think that France, along with other EU countries have waited too long to do this. Remember the philosophy of Islam is — handhold, foothold, stronghold. They have allowed them to reach stronghold status instead of cutting them off at handhold status numbers. The “Religion of Peace” will not fade quietly (assimilate) into the society!! Perhaps we can learn from France and get our own house in order before we are in the same position.
Report Post »Charbet
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:19amHave you checked out our own cities here in the USA? It’s not looking good for us either.
Report Post »dinadp
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:44amI never liked France but I’ve come around since Sarkozy, I’ve come around. I hope this law is adopted everywhere.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:01amThis is the MOST COURAGEOUS thing France has done in the past 200 years. Now, they must arm their police and be ready for the riots and insanity these turban headed clowns are going to create.
The French and the rest of Europe should deport ANYBODY involved with riots and send them back to their homelands where they can live in tents, marry their numerous burka clad wives and smell camel poop all day.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:43amThere are many here today that don’t get (or refuse to admit) that this law is based on nothing but religious bigotry.. even if, as some say, it is cultural. This is pointed towards Islam exclusively (it doesn’t restrict the wardrobes of any other group of people for any reason) and has nothing to do with “national security‘ or even the breathtakingly cynical view that this somehow ’liberates’ Muslim women. All this does is restrict the freedom of women that prefer to wear a burqa (and there are many) and enable those who try to subjugate women to keep them virtual prisoners.. locked up in their own homes unable to venture outside.
Are mimes forbidden to venture out with clown makeup covering their faces? Are those suffering for OCD told that they can’t wear surgical masks outside.. or bikers who wear their helmets? How about false mustaches and beards.. sunglasses or nuns habits?
It amazes me that anyone honestly thinks that this law wasn’t spawned by ignorance, hatred and fear.
These women might be expressing pride in their culture or a manner of political protest, or even to piss people off, it should be their right to do so.
Either you believe in freedom of expression or you don’t.. either you believe in freedom of religious expression or you don’t… so long as it isn’t subsidized by the government, it should be left to the individual how to they want to speak for themselves.
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:00amDo you prefer grape or cherry Kool-aid??
Report Post »stephen
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:03amI agree 100%. As much as I have a problem with Sharia Law and the Muslim faith, I consider myself an American which means freedom of speech. The full facial covering is personally unnerving to me, but I find it difficult to justify banning them unless it was because of outright biggotry toward a religion/culture. At the same time, France is trying to take control of their growing Muslim population. It is a tough problem to have.
Report Post »Charbet
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:11amI will remember your ‘sage advice’, the next time I see a Mid East woman who tries to blow herself up at someones wedding, nope, nothing to see under that burka!
Report Post »I hope France sticks to it, but it seems too little too late.
TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:15amDocStrangelove, there wouldn’t be the perceived “religious bigotry” in Muslims weren’t responsible for the vast majority of terrorist attacks all over the world.
If the peace-loving, non-extremist, Muslims would convince those committing acts of terror to stop killing people in the name of their religion, laws like this would be unnecessary and would never be created. No one I know hates Muslims simply because they are Muslim.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:19amDocStrangelove, on the other hand, Christians are persecutes, and their Churches are burned, in Muslim-controlled countries simple because they are Christian. That is bigotry.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:28amCHARBET…. do you think that the suicide bombers (NONE of whom wore burqas) would strap the explosives over their FACES?
Using that criterion, people should be required to wear LOINCLOTHS exclusively (and even THAT wouldn’t have stopped the “underwear bomber”.
We CAN’T choke EVERYONES FREEDOM based on our fears… for THEN “they” really have won.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:32amTEXASCOMMONSENSE…
I agree that it is wrong for ANY religious majority to persecute religious minorities… as a Jew I have experienced that first hand right here in the United States.
But does that mitigate the fact that France is targeting Muslims simply because they ARE Muslim?
That is what is truly happening there… and I can cite MANY instances where Hindus have persecuted Muslims… Muslims have persecuted Hindus… Christians have persecuted Jews.. Jew have persecuted Palestinians….
What makes ONE more acceptable than another?
Where does it end?
Report Post »Tea Party Animal
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:35amI’m afraid I must agree. As much as I despise the demand of Muslims for Sharia law etc., what someone wears (particularly for religious purposes) should be protected. The law should forbide Burkas during driving, passport photos, entering banks etc., but these women should be allowed to walk down the street dressed however they desire. It’s a slippery slope of infringing on religious freedoms, and we liberty-loving Americans should be the first to object to this.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:37amDocStrangelove, if I’m not mistaken, the law doesn’t specifically target burqas. They prohibit all types of face-concealing clothing in public. If the law specifically targeted the Muslim religion I would agree it would be wrong.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:39amCHARBET…
Your fear defines you.
TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:42amTea Party Animal, keep in mind, this is France we’re talking about. We liberty-loving Americans have the Bill of Rights to protect our religious freedom. The discussion would be vastly different if the law was passed in the United States.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:45amTEXASCOMMONSENSE….
Although the law only mentions “face coverings”.. it is plainly directed at women wearing burqas. Even as this legislation was being considered, the press and government officials (both for and against) called it a “burqa ban law”.
Sarkozy even called it that.
Semantics aside, it is based upon religious bigotry and intolerance.
Report Post »Knight Templar
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:50amDocStrangelove
Why is it you libs have so much trouble seeing the obvious. Bigotry nuts! It is about defending themselves from the culture that breeds nearly all the terrorists in the world.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:57amDocStrangelove, I disagree. I believe the law is intended more for security more than religious bigotry. Facts and semantics both tend to become distorted in heated topics such as this.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:01amKNIGHT TEMPLAR….
How does this defend them against anything?
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:04amThere was a case in the U.S. already where a woman for religious reasons refused to remove her veil when she was pulled over by the cops so that they could verify her identity when compared to her driver’s license. We have had Muslim women sue a state government when they would not issue her a driver‘s license because she wouldn’t remove her veil to have her picture taken. There has also been a lawsuit against a state because when a Muslim woman refused to remove her veil to get her mug shot after being arrested.
Report Post »Comparing woman refusing to remove their veils to motorcycle helmets and mimes is asinine. If a cop pulls you over for something see what happens to the motorcycle rider who refuses to remove his helmet or at least raises his visor so that the officer can verify his identity. See what happens to him if he walks into a bank or any other business with his helmet on on visor down. As for the mimes, my first impulse is to outlaw the annoying twits anyway but I guess that falls under freedom of speech although that is a little funny when talking about a mime. Same thing goes. Finally in a country where there is the threat of terrorist attacks allowing an individual whose even gender cannot be determined and who can easily carry an arsenal under their garb is almost tantamount to asking someone to blow you up. And yes, it has happened several times before where a man wearing a burkha has killed other people in a terrorist attack. Appeasing radical Muslims and bending over backwards in an attempt to not upset them not only doesn’t work but is also dangerous.
TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:14amDocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:01am
KNIGHT TEMPLAR….
How does this defend them against anything?
The law helps to identify terrorists, before or after a terroristic act is committed, and preventing those with ill intent from concealing their identities. The comparison isn’t exactly apples-to-apples, since a ski-mask isn’t a religious garment, but it applies to people wearing ski-masks, too. That being said, I have to reiterate, the law doesn’t specifically target burqas.
If a known terrorist wanted to commit an act of terror in the security camera-laden streets of France, he or she would most certainly conceal their identity. This law is intended to prevent that as much as possible.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:26amRICKFROMILLINOIS….
Indeed.
But you must remember that driving a car is a PRIVILEGE and is not protected by the Constitution. I’d have no objections requiring that those posing for licenses (or even ID Cards) uncover their faces.
But in PUBLIC PLACES… parks, sidewalks, municipal, county, state, national transportation systems, etc., we have A BILL of RIGHTS that protects ALL of us from religious, ethnic or cultural prejudices and protects our RIGHTS to express and practice our religions as we please.
PS… MEN do not wear “burqas”.
Report Post »psst
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:31amBIGJAYINPA
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:00am
Do you prefer grape or cherry Kool-aid??
Umm. Methinks Both.
Report Post »Unfortunately, I have to get to work.
It’s been fun reading him though.
More fun that a barrel of.
Amren
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:41amHey, Doc!
Report Post »You keep spouting off about freedom. These people are in France, not America and are NOT protected under the American Constitution that gurantees our certain freedoms. While I haven’t read the French constitution, YE! However, I will NEVER make assumptions about another country’s ability to protect itself. If the French want this, then the French are free to do this. BUT, they are not in AMERICA! People, you need to stop equivocating. America does not = France. If France wants to take them out intot the streets and shoot them, that is France’s business. If you don’t like it, don’t go to France. I don‘t go to France because I don’t like French people. (Waiting patiently for your abuse. But, it‘s my opinion and I won’t explain it to you because I’m entitled to it.)
Would we want France meddling in the laws we make? Nope.
You want to defend freedom in France, Doc? Go for it. No skin off my nose. But, you’re right. We are Americans and last time I checked, Americans don‘t support Sharia Law and don’t wear burkhas, either for religious or cultural reasons.
I’ll await your name calling, because that’s all you have.
DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:57amAMREN…
I speak for FREEDOM and my opinions on how the French treat their people are as valid as anybody else’s views on how, say SADDAM treated his.. or Gadaffi treats his.
Of COURSE I know that we in the United States are more ADVANCED as a FREE SOCIETY than they are in France (thank god) but there are many on this thread that advocate we do the same thing here?
What are YOUR view on that?
Report Post »Knight Templar
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:17pmDOCSTRANGELOVE
I apologize for calling you a lib. I now think you are a muslim. You are not defending FREEDOM as much as you are defending the distorted view of islam we get from cair.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:36pmAMREN…
You seem to be straining under the delusional misconception that your barren observations and vulgar ignorance has any meaning to me.
Perhaps if your parents had provided you with a cursory education..
Or if they had bothered to imbue upon you any real values and manners..
Or provide you with even an alleviative amount of nurture, you would not be so prone to expose yourself as the obvious illiterate Neanderthal that you seem to have grown to be.
Get lost.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:49pmAmrem…
the above was directed at “KNIGHT TEMPLAR”.
my apologies.
Report Post »rgranger
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:51pmI think bigotry is fine when it is against a religion, people, or philosophy that is out to subdue, subjugate or kill me… oh wait that is not bigotry, that is self preservation.
Report Post »BetsyRoss1513
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:19pmDrStrangelove — no men don’t wear burkas normally, but they would if it meant being able to blow up a bunch of people. That’s a fact.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:23pmRGRANGER…
“Bigotry” is believing in rubbish that is not true and willful ignorance is refusing to learn the facts.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:29pmBETSYROSS1513….
Cite a SINGLE INSTANCE where that was the case.
Empirical evidence only, please.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 2:17pmDOCSTRANGELOVE,
You are all over this thread with your inane commentary.
I do not know what books you’re reading….,apparently they are the wrong books.
What is happening in France, and to some degre wherever Muslims emigrate,is not about religious rights. It is a POLITICAL movement USING religion as a guise!
Ya wanna’ book?! Read “Because They Hate”, by Brigitte Gabriel. She lived it! She watched her country of Lebanon destroyed by this radical islamic movement.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 2:38pmLUCY LARUE…
I read MANY books.. not just those which might agree to my sensibilities.. and there is NO SUCH THING as a “wrong book”… although the Brigitte Gabriel screed is PERSONAL OPINION with little do do with historical FACT (yes…. I read it).
Lebanon has ALWAYS been a Muslim Nation.. and the fact that they had given a few concessions to religious extremists (just as many of the same ilk.. only of the Christian faith have tried here in the States) is a result of Israeli attacks (and don’t try the “anti-semite” tome with me.. I’m Jewish).
YOU seem to be the one with the closed mind.. and there is absolutely NO political agenda advocated by Islam in France or the United States as, if they wanted to live by Sharia Law, they WOULD have stayed in their native countries.
MANY.. in fact the MAJORITY of Muslims in France were BORN in France and wish to BE FRENCH and still practice their faith in a manner that THEY see fit.
AS to my “inane” comments… I challenge you to debate me ON THE MERITS and leave the infantile hyperbole behind.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 4:49pmDOCSTRANGELOVE,
Report Post »Debate YOU?! Tres hilarious! There is nothing to debate.
You spew what is not true.Maybe you actually believe yourself.
You should not put yourself out there as a “SCRIBE” for the unwaashed masses.You are not. You are really a propagandist.
Your explanation of what happened to the beautiful country of Lebanon is complete idiocy.
I do not believe that you ARE Jewish. I KNOW you did not read “Because They Hate”.
You say that you read many books. I just want to let you know that I was speaking of books for grownups.
The Dr. Suess and Little Bear series are quite good but do not count on an adult book list.
Lucy Larue
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 6:16pmDOCSTRANGELOVE,
Report Post »Almost ten freaking years since September 11, 2001 and you’ve learned NOTHING! Worse…,You do not care to.You do not.
You label. You scorn. you mock. It does not matter.
Every post you make is a post of ignorance.
Whatever happens to the greatest country the world has ever known…,you care not.
You hope to abet the demise. Why?
Lucy Larue
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 7:19pmDOCSTRANGELOVE,
Report Post »I would venture that you have two legs.
If I am wrong…,where in Vietnam did you lose your leg?
Do not mess with people who know DOC. Do not.
kryptonite
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:16pmDocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:45am
TEXASCOMMONSENSE….
Although the law only mentions “face coverings”.. it is plainly directed at women wearing burqas. Even as this legislation was being considered, the press and government officials (both for and against) called it a “burqa ban law”….Semantics aside, it is based upon religious bigotry and intolerance.
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Your assertion, in turn, is based on ignorance and sexism. Thankfully, you and I don’t have to wear a burqa, but go tell that to the women who develop vitamin D deficiency because of their heavy burqas. Vitamin D deficiency increases the risk of developing osteomalacia (softening of the bones) and osteoporosis (brittle bones).
At least Schumer knows who issues those hackneyed liberal talking points of “intolerance, bigotry and racism.” Wouldn’t you like to know who’s doing the thinking for all of you?
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:27pmDocStrangelove: “All this does is restrict the freedom of women that prefer to wear a burqa (and there are many)…”
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No kidding! They’ve told you this? Really?? You think a Muslim woman feels FREE to express her wishes? She’ll get beat the heck out of her at best, if not killed. A woman who wears a burqa is already demonstrating that she is not free. Your views are so superficial and dumb, it is egregious to any rational, freedom-loving person.
BIGJAYINPA
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:43amAnd so it begins. Is Paris burning??? Brace yourselves boys and girls, make sure your seatbelts are securely fastened and your seats are in the full upright position and all tray tables and cobblestones are safely stowed away. How soon before a suicide bomber make his/her first appearance??
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:55amDocStrangelove – I know that men aren’t supposed to wear burgas but there have been cases in Iraq where men wearing burgas and a veil approached a check point and either blew himself up or pulled an AK from underneath their burkhas and started firing on the troops. The men at the checkpoint assumed that it was a woman approaching them. The same thing has happened in Israel at one of their checkpoints where the Palestinians are trying to enter Israel. The burkha has been used by terrorists in the past to hide weapons and explosives. I seems only common sense to me to be wary of people wearing them.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:01pmRICKFROMILLINOIS…
They were wearing ROBES.. loose garb where weapons can be concealed. Just as gang members here in the States wear loose clothing to the same purpose.
A “burqa” covers the FACE.. where no weapons can be hidden even under a veil.
Report Post »leary1
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:42amWhy do we coddle these people and their religion when they have no respect for Christianity. Their religious garb in this day and time, with all the violence in the world, is a security threat in any country! So I support France`s decision to ban burqas. I will keep this opinion until the peaceful islam starts to help us prevent trouble, they stand on the sidelines and claim neutrality. They are either part of the problem or part of the solution..which is it???
Report Post »LONGSEXYLEGS
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:41amHope that the law comes to America. But with a Muslim sympathizer President, I don’t see it happening.
Report Post »Ailene Wright
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 8:25amAs far as brides and mourning widows wearing veils goes, it only occurs during a religious ceremony and in private setting. Brides and widows don’t go out in public wearing their sheer veils. You will have to come up with a better argument than that.
Report Post »workin4alivin
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:40amonly hatred hides whether behind a veil, burka or ski mask. all cowards. it is the law an now you are a criminal. plain and simple!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:37pmI guess you are against brides wearing veils as well as mounring women. I mean there is the famous picture of Jackie Kennedy in a full black veil at the funeral of her husband, how dare she adhere to the cultural norms of her religion.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:39am.
Report Post »they might be hiding some serrious ugly under there…
Ailene Wright
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:32amThe will have to remove their veil for a mug shot.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:36amAssimilate or go back to the country from where you came.
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:43amExactly! Just as the Qur’an says to the infidel, assimilate or die.
Bring it on Omar!
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:59amA majority of these people were BORN in France.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:32amDocStrangelove, born in France, or not, they still need to assimilate.
Report Post »psst
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:58amDocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:59am
A majority of these people were BORN in France.
Umm.
Report Post »Let’s see. We have American stationed in Saudi. (many americans work in the oil fields, some have their wives w/ them)Let’s say an American mother gives birth there . Can that child then bring American custom/culture to Saudi Arabia? Could that child go around sporting a cross on the outside of it’s clothings?
Could the child be considered a Saudi national?
When in France, do as the French.
If one is so gung ho about’s one religion/ culture, regardless if they are born in a different culture/country, they should then return to a country of their roots if they cannot tolerate the laws of the country they live in or are born in.
Or, these people have another option. they can tolerate(put up w/) their country’s laws, then as they keep breeding and bring more and more of their fellow Moslems into France, pretty soon they will be the majority and then vote in a Moslems president and other officials who can then change the laws.
After-all, the French (and other European women) are not breeding enough natives to re-supply the ones that are dying, muchless increasing the native population.
The Moslems will keep increasing their kinds and keep their fidelity, not to France, but to their Arab culture/land. Which in the long term, will be the dominant culture in France.
This also awaits US. France has a big head start . But US will catch up .
DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:59amTEXASCOMMONSENSE….
They are “assimilating”.. they vote, they obey the law, they learn the language. they work hard and start businesses of their own.
They just choose to WORSHIP as they please… and dress as they deem proper to their religion abd their culture.
France has ALWAYS been a society where the have shunned outsiders (ever visit Paris with an American Flag T-Shirt)?
People forget that the influx of Muslims into France was a result of their occupation of Nations like Algeria and their influences in Egypt, IndoChina, etc.
DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:17amPSST…
You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Saudi Arabia doesn’t have the same governmental structure as do we (thank god).. they don’t have elections or a Bill of Rights that protects even those whom we disagree with.
An child born of an American father is considered an American… although if an American WOMAN has a child born of a Saudi National the child would be considered Saudi and a Muslim.
You speak of “breeding” as if you’re discussing some sort biological difference between HUMAN CULTURES (which is not the case).. or warning against an “infestation” of a virus or parasite into a “pure” life0-form (which is ludicrous).
France has a Constitution (not NEARLY as cool as ours) that defines the legal structures of their society and, even though it prides itself as “homogenous” in many respects it has also been extremely intolerant of other cultures, other religions, other NATIONS (especially OURS).
The Nazis espoused their visions of racial and ethnic “purity”.. and France (of all of the other European Nations) was the ONLY one to come up with the concept of a “Vichy” Government… collaborators with the 3rd Reich… a government that helped round up the Jews and ship them to death camps.
There are strains of that putrid worldview still in that country.. and they are becoming bolder in their rhetoric.
This law is an outgrowth of that and I’m not surprised in the least.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:25amDocStrangelove, assimilation also means following their laws intend to prevent crime. The same as a Frenchman wearing a motorcycle helmet, or a mime, as was stated by you in another posting. All face-concealing clothing can be asked to be removed, or forbidden, for the purposes of security or identification.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:39pmTEXASCOMMONSENSE…
What “crimes” are they supposed to prevent?
Do you honestly feel that someone ready to blow themselves (and those around them) to smithereens worries about being identified?
Using what database?
Most (if not all) are recruited “in country” and have no records… unless you feel that ALL Muslims should be photographed as a matter of procedure, even if they had committed no crimes.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:10pmDocStrangelove, your ideology is blinding you from the truth. Too many of your comments on this subject tell me that’s true. Everyone knows identification is a key component in crime, or terror, prevention.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:20pmTEXASCOMMONSENSE…
My “ideology” is our CONSTITUTION which is why our police have the hardest jobs on the planet.
They must work WITHIN our shared values and not cede them to expediency.
As I said (and be honest), how many GENUINELY potential suicide bombers are in a database?
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 3:00pmStrangelove,
Report Post »why go straight to suicide bomber, could not a person dress in a muslim veil commit a single murder,rob a bank,abduct a child,go store to store with a stolen credit card or a host of other crimes and no one would be able to identify them.. There are laws in the U.S. already that forbid people wearing masks in public it is over looked around certain holidays but it is other wised enforced.
Why start and stop at suicide bombers …what are you a bigot who thinks muslims are suicide bombers…..LOL
DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 3:10pmSMITHCLAR3NC3….
Please…. this has nothing to do with any of that and you know it.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 3:54pmDocStrangelove
Report Post »An child born of an American father is considered an American… although if an American WOMAN has a child born of a Saudi National the child would be considered Saudi and a Muslim.
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Wow, an enlightened and/or honest lib! Or did you speak off the cuff? By the same token, Barack Hussein Obama is considered a Muslim, isn’t he? So why do libs deny the fact that Obama is a Muslim? Shouldn’t Muslims be the ones who determine who is a Muslim? I haven’t heard Obama revert from (renounce) Islam, have you?
DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 4:32pmKRYPTONITE…
I read BOOKS, pookie… and I’d wager that Liberals by and large are more educated than those who would swallow the bleatings of someone like Beck.
PRESIDENT Obama is a Christian… was born a Christian and practices Christianity. He NEVER attended a madrassa (despite the lies coming from the right).
You premise is flawed at its core (as is your putrid worldview).
Report Post »Edgar Bennet
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 4:41pmI agree with your argument on this issue Doc but it is definitely a slippery slope. Another thing clouding the issue is the obv constant elephant in the room of whether an individual finds Islam evil, or more vanilla, bad.
Keeping things on the up and up though – calling Obama‘s church as ’Christian’ is a stretch if you look at the actual doctrine preached and the ties Rev Wright has.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 5:01pmEDGAR BENNET…
Thankfully in the United States, what an “individual finds” in ANY religion, whether they think it the ‘word of god’ or ‘pure evil’ is irrelevant.
We must deal with ‘slippery slopes’ all the time… being an American is ADVANCED CITIZENSHIP and it takes courage, skill, the love of our Bill of Rights and TOLERANCE to do it the right way.
Reverend Wright’s views were hardly as inflammatory as many people thought Dr. Kings were on one side… or Father Coughlin’s anti-semitic screeds on the other.
Has the President ever deported himself as anything OTHER than any other Christian President?
I think not.
Besides, whatever faith ANY President decides to follow is nobody’s business other than his / hers for this is a SECULAR NATION and should be governed as one.
Report Post »Edgar Bennet
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 5:09pmWe live in the now. Rev Wright‘s sermons were about today’s ‘injustices’. It‘s not a fair analogy unless you liken Rev Wright’s causes as akin to Dr. King’s. I’m not talking about controversy, I’m talking about substance
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 5:22pmDocstrangelove: “They are “assimilating”..
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Are they? Does Western civilization deny women the right to freedom of expression? The right to enjoy their femininity? Have you lived in France? The average Frenchwoman (and Western women in general) can leave the house by herself, talk to whomever she pleases, travel at whim and divorce a pr*** who hides behind his religion to turn her into a slave. The typical French female walks like a woman, not like a desexualized black ghost.
The average French person enjoys freedom of religion. Those who don’t want religion — and that would be the majority of the French population — are allowed to live a secular life. So try to imagine how culturally unassimilated Muslims in France/Europe really are. Or can Muslims convert to another religion without facing death threats?
You are such a phony, pretending to defend people’s rights, when all you are doing is promoting a barbaric political-religious system.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 7:46pm@DocStrangelove
==> “You premise is flawed at its core (as is your putrid worldview).”
“You premise?” I thought you were here to help with grammar.
I also thought you were educated. How is my premise flawed? Rather than resort to ad hominem attacks, show some intellectual honesty when you are defeated by your own argument.
==> “PRESIDENT Obama is a Christian… was born a Christian and practices Christianity. He NEVER attended a madrassa (despite the lies coming from the right).”
Why did you go off-topic? What does attending a madrasa have to do with being a Muslim? Let’s recall what books teach and you yourself said:
==> “…if an American WOMAN has a child born of a Saudi National the child would be considered Saudi **and a Muslim**” (emphasis added).
Obama was born to a Muslim father. I don‘t give a rat’s azz whether he practices another religion or not. As you rightly pointed out in your Bidenesque slip, he is therefore considered a Muslim by all who practice Islam.
==> “I read BOOKS, pookie… and I’d wager that Liberals by and large are more educated than those who would swallow the bleatings of someone like Beck.”
You come on this forum regurgitating what you have read, but you can’t even apply it — or only do so at your convenience. It’s a lib malady, evidenced by the abundance of daily claptrap coming from the likes of you. You must win accolades galore at Huff-Puff, doc-not. Go back to that D-rat hole and cheer for the burqa.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:05pm“PRESIDENT Obama is a Christian… was born a Christian and practices Christianity. ”
Since neither his father nor mother were Christian it’s hard to say how he was “born” one. He wasn’t baptised until he became an adult.
As for “practicing” Christianity, what form of practice do you have in mind, since he seldom goes to church? As for the faith that he professes it clearly isn’t orthodox Christianity. But that point my be moot here, with all the Mormons thinking they’re Christian.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:36amThis is going to turn out well..(sarcasm)
Report Post »Either France will be a bigger target of islamic terrorist or women who remove their veils will be stoned to death.
All that aside France is right on the issue unless muslims want to be part of a multicultural France or they want France to be a solely unified Muslim country.
Non-sequitur
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:35am“All that aside France is right on the issue unless muslims want to be part of a multicultural France”
Banning veils is not going to magically turn France into a multicultural country. Treating Muslims like equals and lending them a hand in finding a place in society does, a thing France has direly neglected to do.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:56amAny religious group who would put ta silly tradition over public safety has no desire to be part of a multicultural society. No they just want to their cultural to be accepted by other while not accepting any other culture. Does the word devisive ring a bell.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 2:12pm@ NON-SEQUITUR……….That is pretty strange logic since most orthodox Muslims don’t consider themselves equal with you, me, or other “infidels” in any way shape or form. By their beliefs if an infidel is allowed to keep his life he must be subserviently under Muslims and a second class citizen. You look that one up before responding and we will have a serious debate about if you want.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 3:12pmWATCHTHEOTHERHAND…
Orthodos dogmatists of EVERY faith consider themselves superior.
Try another strawman.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 6:26pmKRYPTONITE…
ONCE MORE… I will reply to you this once as I generally don’t waste my time debating pathological LIARS.
I defend RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.. the freedom that Muslim women may wear what they CHOOSE to wear for whatever reasons they deem proper.
The rest of your BREATHTAKINGLY ignorant post doesn’t deserve the bytes needed to respond to it.
Got it?
Good.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 8:18pmOh, please, NON-SEQUITUR…There are less than 100 people in our old French village–from France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Tibet(!), Holland, and the US of A! I am not kidding. You think the French have not tried to make the North African Muslim immigrants feel at home? The people from Portugal, Spain, Italt, Tibet, and Holland whom I know all still speak their native languages– along with French. They are all totally integrated into French society. This is not at all how it works with many North African or Turkush Muslim immigrants. In contrast to the assimilation of the other cultural groups mentioned above, everybody here has a story about the subtle radicalization of Muslim friends and acquaintances.
Report Post »MyCommonSense
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:36amWell, can’t wait to see how this works out for France…it’s going to be interesting. I suspect violent.
Report Post »American Pride
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:34amIt’s amazing to watch France make such a wise cultural shift. Unbelievable!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:40amTrue, and we are seeing just how far the multi cultural garbage has gotten both France and Britian while our administration wants to inflict the same European garbage HERE. What is going on in those lands is what future they want forged for us, one more move to destroy and shatter the land for all time.
Obama is using the muslums here for his own ends; and the radicals around the world for his own set of agendas as well. They will make a conveinent scape goat for cover should he need to use them as such.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:51amIt won’t work unless the French have something concrete in their culture they are preserving, like Christianity. Secularism is like a cultural vacuum. It can’t sustatin itself. It order for secular freedom to exist it must be supported by strong spiritual beliefs and philosophical principles rooted in those beliefs. Islam, brutal and irrational as it is, at least has a solid cultural core.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:21amJust keep your eye on the ball. These people are here and there for a soft invasion. They are colonizing and changing the culture from within. Reminds me of Breznev warning our leaders that the Capitalist will go down to Communism here without a shot fired. Oh the LEFT. Two fronts of the same war.
Report Post »Chicago Ray
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:34amSweet. Up against the wall Muhatma and lift that veil now!! We don’t play that Muhammad hijab hide and seek here honey!! Hopefully “coming to America soon”
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:57amUmmm…
“Mahatma” is an INDIAN word meaning “father” and was given to Gandhi (a HINDU) as a term of endearment.
Glad to be of help.
Report Post »LONGSEXYLEGS
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:14amBack in 2003 Brigitte Bardot went on a rant about Muslims. Maybe others in France are finally starting to wake up.
Report Post »No one wants a crazy radical muslim living in their neighborhood. But they are trying to take over everywhere. It ****** me off. I was shocked to learn that there is a large compound of them in Arizona. Is anyone keeping an eye on them?
Chicago Ray
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:25am“DocStrangelove” Sorry Mr perfect, I’m not as adept on my Muslim names and Indian names as you are. Allah be with you Mr Dick
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:34amSorry if I had embarrassed you, little one.
Perhaps if you read a BOOK every once in a while, you’d avoid making a fool of yourself.
Report Post »Bullcop34
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:24amChicago, the rest of us non-anal retentive, non-OCD folks got what you meant. Heck, my redneck uneducated(two degree holding, well read book dude, and world traveler) thought muhatmah was a brand of rice!
Report Post »Infected
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:50amNet and grammer police.. look out..
Damn,, I used two decimals,, or are they periods??.. Wait.. should I have made the el a capital since it was after one of those dot looking things,, and what if its after two of them??
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:57amTo all of you who need a better education, I’m here to help.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 2:09pmPlay nice “Blazers” or I’m gonna have to ground you for a week !!!! Let’s turn those eenie meanie upside down frowns right side up :-( > :-). Thank you now you run along and play nice……..
Report Post »Edgar Bennet
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 4:25pmI never get brazen ignorance
Report Post »Rillobymorning
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 10:03amFunny. Thanks for the laugh!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:33amThe civilized world doesn’t recognise sharia law Islam, get used to it.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:36amI didn’t think he French had it in them. This may not turn out good when protests start. I hope they stick to their guns.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:37amThe one part the media here will most likely ignore is the fact of the protest was not authorized and the lawful authorities ordered the people to disperse. So, hopefully there will be no violence coming from these detainments today.
Report Post »leahasevedo
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:45amsince france seems to be the new leader will this ban be comming to america?:) god i hope so!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:50am@Lehasve:
While the current administration is in office, no it will not; we have a fed now seeking to tighten the ‘net neutrality’ again and ignore the will of the courts and the people. I have a muslum friend who has simply asked ‘how long until the government makes us enemies of the state for wanting to be able to worship as we wish…as all of us here in America wish?”
Report Post »SpunkyGal
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 9:53amWhen did France become a leader of anything conservative?
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:03am@ leahasevedo…. Don’t hold your breath. Obama would never, ever allow that to happen here.
Report Post »Smitty1969
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:11amMost banks in the USA have you remove your hat and sunglasses when you enter for security. Could I wear a ski mask and baggy clothes that could conceal a small arsenal into the mall if I said it was blessed by my god. What if I drove through a DUI check point and said you cant look at my face because my God wont allow you?
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:11amTwo things can now happen
She has had Close Contact to men she does not know . And we all know she will be caned for this
When they go to arrest these sheet covered Men/Women/Children what happens when they are loaded with bombs under these 600 count Egyptian Percale Sheets
Report Post »exdem
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:15amThey might find Osama under one of those veils.
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:16amSharia Law does not require that women wear burqas…. they are strictly a CULTURAL garb.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:17amIf they catch you at the beach in your Burkini you will get exiled to be one of Osama’s new wives.
Report Post »mill
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:21amWOWWOWOWOWOWOWOW…The French???? the stripe down the back whiney French???
CONGRATULATIONS FRANCE FOR GROWING A PAIR!!..
Report Post »Now the US needs to follow suite, but Mr. “I have no respect for America” is still president and it won’t happen…it might “hurt their feelings” to meld into the American way of life…and he can’t have that
pscully17
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:23am@gold coin and econ news lol Guns? Are the french shooting the buqa wearers? I realize the frech are currently on a military shooting rampage now like in Ivory coast and bombing Libya… I have to state this and be blunt. islam is Not a friend of America, it never has been, and although we practice freedom of religion without persecution here, Islam is walking a very fine line when forcing its religious ideology to be ACCEPTED by every citizen. I say NO. When obama stated in cairo that the US was NOT a Christian Nation, i was appalled. This country was FOUNDED ON CHRISTIANITY. Other religionas were no persecuted as practiced privately. but they acknowledged that Christianity was the Number one religion proacticed here and for 200 years we freely celebrated Christmas, Easter, said the pledge of allegiance to God, and country, had the ten commandments chisled on our Government buildings, our Money has IN GOD WE TRUST written on it. We cannot let the athiests and islamists destroy Christianity in this country.
Report Post »Oil_Robb
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:25amWho would have thought…..The French have bigger stones than the Americans…li9ke them or not….they have national pride and are willing to protect thier heritage
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:25amBe prepared for all out war in the street of France.
Non-sequitur
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:26am“When did France become a leader of anything conservative?”
When they started fighting symptoms of a larger problem which would be the failure of the Muslim population to integrate, a problem for which the French populace and state are to blame just as much as the immigrant Muslims.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:31amThe only way to effectively and justly eliminate this problem is to go after the men. Given that women veiling themselves is a recognition of their subordinate status to men, take that seriously and prosecute the men who allow their women to veil themselves. Every woman in Islamic culture are under the authority of a man. Make HIM pay.
This can’t be done targeting the individual women veiled because they are not acting as individuals. This is a war of civilizations. It must be fought that way.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 10:52am@ GONZO……….where are you from you spelled realized like an Aussie or Euro.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:14amI think the civilized world shoudn’t recognize sharia law but in this country some judges are allowing it in certain areas around the country.
Report Post »Deane
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:17amIts about time everyone cracks down on hidden faces and burqas that can conceal homicide bombs
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:24amFrance does not reconize the freedom of religion. THis has nothing to do with the right’s latest fetish regarding sharia. Do you support the banning of Shiks from wearing turbans or Jews wearing Yamulke, what about nuns wearing habits? This is a racist law imposed by small minded reactionaries.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:38amI would like to support a ban on eminiensmom from posting on the Blaze.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:45amI think the old saying is:
When in Rome do as the Romans do. If these people want to truly practice their religion of peace (sarc), then go to a muslim country, don’t force your creed on others!
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:53amencinom, the moron, the reason is they want to make damn sure there is integration into their society, not the other way around, but you are of the mentality the tail wags the dog! of course you would think it is racist, you’re a freaking racist progressive! There is also a security side to this, but you wouldn’t see that at all, and BTW, they are not making anyone else remove jewelry or headdress, just the complete covering of a womans face and body – you know the religion of peace likes to strap on those vests don’t ya…people like you who argue for the sake of argument, with no facts make me sick to my stomach – get facts – get real – get an education amoeba!
Report Post »EnoughBS
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:55amISLES, a very good observation and a great argument.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:58amBusiness could help enforce this law….
Report Post »NO FACE — NO SERVICE
Chris G
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:07pmThis law is completely unnecessary. IMO, the best thing to do would be to deport foreign-born Muslims back to their country of origin.
Report Post »hologram5
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:09pm@cessna152:
Report Post »You’re not getting it… Nowhere in the Koran does it state they “HAVE” to wear burkas. This is inherently imposed by insecure men with little tiny junk that don’t want other men looking at their women.
encinom
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:16pmSgt.Crust
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:53am
encinom, the moron, the reason is they want to make damn sure there is integration into their society, not the other way around, but you are of the mentality the tail wags the dog! of course you would think it is racist, you’re a freaking racist progressive! There is also a security side to this, but you wouldn’t see that at all, and BTW, they are not making anyone else remove jewelry or headdress, just the complete covering of a womans face and body – you know the religion of peace likes to strap on those vests don’t ya…people like you who argue for the sake of argument, with no facts make me sick to my stomach – get facts – get real – get an education amoeba!
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At the time of the US Civil War (for the tea party followers the War of Northern Aggresstion), you would have fit in perfectly with the Know-Nothings and other anti-catholic, anti-immigrant, you make alot of the same arguments.
If the concern is “just the complete covering of a womans face and body” I guess France has outlaw bridal veils, or the black veils many older catholics still wear on sundays and at funerals.
How is this not a racist over step, they have singled out one community for special police observation. Should the British do this to the Catholic miniorities? How will this help intergate a community, when the government’s tells them they can not wear cultural grab, this will only drive them furhter underground.
Only ignorant, reactionary, racist can argue that this law has any merit. The brightside is that this law can never come to the US as long as we have a 1st Amendment.
Report Post »Deb C
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:16pmNot men….clerics
Report Post »freeus
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:29pmCourageous French. Give them credit.
Report Post »K Chad Roberts
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:37pmIt‘s certainly true that covering one’s head and face in the Muslim demograph is indeed a cultural thing and not one stipulated in the Qur’an, it is still shameful for a western government to ban the use altogether in public places. I totally get it if the government were to ban it or allow companies to ban it in specific locations, but where do we draw the line? It is our actions and lack of actions that define us, not the cloths we wear. Is France going to fine people for wearing a veil to a wedding now too? This crosses the line for me. It isn‘t about sharia law when you go after a minority demograph that doesn’t wish to push their ways on you. For all of you who call for this type of thing in America… seriously, the founders weep. Our country is about individual freedoms! Sure, we should fight sharia law’s integration, but not by passing laws sweeping an entire people! It is the American way to treat things on an individual basis, not on a group basis. Veils and burkas (spelling…) have nothing to do with impinging on your freedoms, so what’s the point of targeting them? Start targeting things that really matter… like radical mosques and the sharia-like laws themselves. You’re wasting your efforts and impinging on the natural rights of others at the same time.
Report Post »AZfreeman
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:57pmLet’s ask the authors of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution what they had in mind.
Report Post »Did they mean for freedom of religion and speech to force us to accept the Satanical rituals of cult religions that violate our law?
Did they mean for a political movement to be disguised as “religion” and used to conquer our country? Or did they form this country as a Christian nation of logical free thinking people?
Does freedom of religion force us to accept any cult or religion and accept their laws as part of our own law?
Does being a citizen of a free nation mean you can come here and do anything you want? We have laws against nudity in most places…is that any different than saying what a person can’t wear? We are a nation of laws (our laws-not theirs). It does seem extreme to ban what a person can wear in a free society, however when an outside political/ideological force (parading as a religion) openly states their intension is to take over our country and the world, that changes the picture. Should we be forced by political correctness and a misguided interpretation of the 1st. Amendment to stand idly by and let it happen? Obviously the UK thinks so, but France is starting to realize political correctness has gone insane. The question is, will we allow the insane progressive/liberal/marxist/PC Americans to win this debate? …rf
Mannax
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 12:59pmNinjas in France are pissed now. It is making it so hard for them. I have heard that some of the assassin guilds are going to lodge formal protests with the government.
Report Post »nptden
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:00pmAre they really ‘women’?…that’s the problem…you just don’t know…
Report Post »delhoghe
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:00pmSPUNKYGAL…banning a burqua in public is a conservative philosophy ? Would it also be a conservative action to ban statues of winged serpents , gargoils, crucifixes, godesses , angels, dead popes, dead “saints”, Zeus,Pan,Thor, and other “gods” ? If it is then the Catholics had better watch out for the “ conservatives” in France.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:11pm@AZfreeman
Setting aside the tea-party’s latest fetish about the myth of sharia law invading the US. The founders would be ashamed at how the cowards of the tea-party are supporting the French’s assualt on personal freedom. The 1st Amendment does not say mention christanity, nor does the Constitution. To wrongly put such a limite shows how bigoted freeman of Arizona are. Who decides what are these statanic cults? Thomas Jefferson read the Koran, while most of the founders and their cintemporaries would condem the catholics as agents of Rome.
YOu statement is nothing more than the rant of an ignorant racist, afraid of his shrinking place in this world.
Report Post »BetsyRoss1513
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:17pmEncinomom – turbans, yarmulkes, and habits do NOT hide the wearers face. Therein lies the difference. But then again, you already knew that. When I walk into a store and have a hood up and a ski mask on to protect me from the cold, I am required to take them off before I’m allowed to walk through the store. If I don’t, the police are called. You know what happens next.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:28pmAhhh now we can make these women martyrs to a cause and prove how “racist” the wetern world is!! Next stop push the western world tighter into their corner so we can take them over!!! Osama Bin laden…. p.s. Keep up the great work MSM!!
Melting pot = Merge together and assimulate if you do not like the laws DO NOT COME HERE!!! – Cemerius Blaze 4/11/11
Report Post »avenger
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:55pmdraw that line in the sand or you are doomed ! here is your future unless you stop it now ! http://thereligionofpeace.com
Report Post »staythecourse
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 3:02pmWhy did they pick Notre Dame Cathedral?
Report Post »DocStrangelove
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 3:15pmAZFREEMAN…
Your post is a demonstration of what can happen when you sleep through civics class.
Report Post »ppeltonen
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 5:26pmThis is a very slippery slope. It might feel good to see it happening to a Muslim because they have been so cruel to our faith, but remember that this law would also apply to wearing other religious symbols as well. This law could just as easily be applied to a Christian or a Jew if they ask us to remove our cross or religious head covering. It’s a part of the new world order where all religion will be shut out except for the new religion of earth worship. What do you think global Warming is all about?
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 6:50pmYeah? What was his name?
Report Post »chucklesworth
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 7:00pmMaybe France should consider arresting the husbands also. If the wife doesn’t wear the burka her husband will beat her. To be frank that whole religion is against women and doesn’t even really recognize women as people. They Dehumanize the women in those religions.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 7:25pmThe French President said it loud and clear earlier this year, along with the German and English Prime Ministers–”multi-culturalism has not worked.” The British are carefully watching what happens with this law– they have similar problems of their own which they may be ready to start dealing with. Meanwhile, I’ve heard that English and Belgian sharia extremist groups in have sent members over to France to agitate.
Here in France it is refreshing to hear from certain very well spoken Muslim moderates who are totally FOR this law. I believe the law actually deals with hiding one’s face/ identity in public. there is already a law prohibiting veils in educational institutions. Also I have heard that the “citizenship classes” are also a way for Muslim women in abusive situations to seek help and learn about their rights. As for the woman who was taken away in the story here, the law states that she cannot be forced to unveil in public–she must be escorted to a police station where her identity can be determined in a more private setting.
Go Sarkozy! At least this will awaken many Americans to the fact that France has a conservative President. The media in France is ultra-left. No Fox News, no Glenn Beck. He is going it alone like there is no tomorrow. Sarkozy is up fpr re-election in 2012–suppport him in any way you can. He will be a true friend and ally to any conservative who beats Obama.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 8:57pm“This law could just as easily be applied to a Christian or a Jew if they ask us to remove our cross or religious head covering.”
Yes, it could. But if the State is so stupid as to apply it in those terms then it is clearly not intent on stopping the encroachment of cultural Islam, which is the whole point.
Veils per se are not the real issue. They are merely the symptom. The Muslim veil is the thin end of the wedge of Muslim culture and Sharia law. It is cultural Islam that must be fought. Attacking the veil is an easy battleground to start. If you surrender on that ground the future battles will be harder.
Report Post »Anti_Spock
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 11:11pmI have thought about this for awhile. What France is doing isn’t right. It is akin to any Muslim country banning the wearing of a christian cross (they already do!)
So riddle me this, oh wise Blazers: Is it now a crime to bundle up on a very cold day to where only eye slits remain? All burka-like. If weather forces it… it’s ok. But if you are following centuries of tradition then it’s banned? How idiotic. As much as I despise Islam for what it represents, they have the freedom to wear whatever the hell they want.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 4:26amSPOCK, interesting that you brought up the weather. There is historical evidence that the “centuries old” part of the practice of covering one’s face actually predates Islam and was in part a practical way to protect the face from desert sandstorms. The idea of some sort of religious obligation to wear the face-covering “niqab” is nowhere near a century old. It is more like a decades old idea–promoted by extreme Islamic factions. Muslim scholars agree that the Prophet even prohibited the covering of the face and hands while making a pilgrimage to Mecca.
Report Post »WhatWasIThinking?
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 6:51amI don’t recognize sharia law, But if I want to wear a damned mask in public, screw anyone who says I can’t.
Report Post »MG-42
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 7:10amGood for France. These freaky get-ups are a National Security Issue! I hope they give her a big fine & put her on probation!
Report Post »MG-42
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 7:14amIf the “police” are afraid to enforce the law, they shouldn’t be POLICE! You must enforce the laws everywhere. France may have violence before it’s over, but then you’re going to know the true nature of the evil you have let run rampant in your country!
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 10:19amEncicom,
Report Post »Your slime and ignorance disgust me. If you think all Muslims are the same race, YOUR the racist. It’s a religion. France is NOT racist, but rabidly SECULAR.
I think what disgusts me most is I have to agree with you in some small degree. The WAY France is choosing to deal with the VERY REAL threat of shari’ahization is going to backfire on them. You have to keep thoughts, even religious ones that are incorrect and lead to dangerous attitudes, free. You can’t enforce thoughts by legislating away certain dress codes. If you want to beat the IDEA shari’ah you have to meet it in the arena of IDEAS.
My fellow conservatives. Have a little faith that our way of life and the idea of freedom, and even our Christianity are all powerful and persuasive IDEAS. We will win the war of ideas because ours are better. We DO need to defend them and the institutions that make their maintenance possible. But really just sticking to the Constitution is sufficient to win almost ALL comers over.
AZfreeman
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:10pm@HappyStretchedThin
“..Have a little faith that our way of life and the idea of freedom, and even our Christianity are all powerful and persuasive IDEAS. We will win the war of ideas because ours are better. We DO need to defend them and the institutions that make their maintenance possible. But really just sticking to the Constitution is sufficient to win almost ALL comers over…”
Well said! I’ve given this a little more consideration since my last post, and have come to agree with many, that banning attire is not the way to proceed. Like many, I get frustrated when I see the attacks on our country and our way of life. Encicom was right about one thing…. I am a bit “afraid of (our) shrinking place in this world”, and want to fight the spread of evil. I hope we continue to explore the best ways to do that. If we can‘t find the ’best way’, I hope we can find ‘some way’. I think that is what France is doing. ….rf
Report Post »BI-WINNING
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:54pmYeah, I hope they stick to their guns all right. The only thing more hideous than a burka is a woman wearing a burka.
Report Post »Corruptgovernment
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 10:43pmDiarrhea-Law.
Never let our US Constitution be corrupted.
Report Post »theredwolf49
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 2:10amWHO IS IN THERE? we dont know – berka’s gotta go – but they brought it on themselves so…. oh well – if you want to live in our countries it has to be our way – OR GO HOME
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