Frances Fox Piven Rings in The New Year By Calling for Violent Revolution
- Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:33pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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She’s considered by many as the grandmother of using the American welfare state to implement revolution. Make people dependent on the government, overload the government rolls, and once government services become unsustainable, the people will rise up, overthrow the oppressive capitalist system, and finally create income equality. Collapse the system and create a new one. That‘s the simplified version of Frances Fox Piven’s philosophy originally put forth in the pages of The Nation in the 60s.
Now, as the new year ball drops, Piven is at it again, ringing in 2011 with renewed calls for revolution.
In a chilling and almost unbelievable editorial again in The Nation (”Mobilizing the Jobless,” January 10/17, 2011 edition), she calls on the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force. As before, those calls are dripping with language of class struggle. Language she and her late husband Richard Cloward made popular in the 60s.
“So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?” she writes. “After all, the injustice is apparent. Working people are losing their homes and their pensions while robber-baron CEOs report renewed profits and windfall bonuses. Shouldn’t the unemployed be on the march? Why aren’t they demanding enhanced safety net protections and big initiatives to generate jobs?” [Emphasis added]
Those are the questions that frame what can best be called a roadmap for revolution. And it’s not long before those questions give way to directions. The first instruction: get angry.
“[B]efore people can mobilize for collective action, they have to develop a proud and angry identity and a set of claims that go with that identity,” she writes. “They have to go from being hurt and ashamed to being angry and indignant.”
And along with anger must come a denunciation of personal responsibility. Instead, workers must realize that others have put them in their current, uneasy situation: “[T]he out-of-work have to stop blaming themselves for their hard times and turn their anger on the bosses, the bureaucrats or the politicians who are in fact responsible.”
Only then, once their rage has been properly stoked, can the angry take action. And when they do, she says, the “protesters need targets.”
For Piven, the best “targets” are the people or organizations “capable of making some kind of response to angry demands.” Regular demands, notice, just won’t do. No, people must be fired up and not easily deterred. Angry and not quickly placated. It’s a concoction Piven has seen recently in other countries — countries such as England and Greece, which she uses as models for American unrest:
An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees. [Emphasis added]
What exactly do those strikes and riots look like? They’re violent and bloody, like this one in Greece, where rioters firebombed police and beat bloody a former government official:
In England they look like this, where a mob of angry students attacked the future British King and his wife and shouted “Off with their heads!” while jabbing the Duchess with a stick:
“What she is calling for is nothing less than the chaos and violence engulfing Europe,” writes Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Ron Radosh on his blog. “Disgruntled leftist unionists, students who expect an education without cost, and citizens of social-democratic states cannot accept that the old terms of the social contract they thought would last forever have worn out their welcome. The European welfare-state governments can no longer function with the kind of social programs that now far exceed their nation’s budgets and hence are moving their countries to the precipice of total collapse.”
But violence has always been Piven’s preferred method of collapse. In 2004, she admitted as much, saying that violence is condoned as long as it is part of a grand plan:
What may be new is the brazen way in which Piven is now making her intentions known. No longer do her and people like her have to hide in the shadows. Now, they feel comfortable enough with the political climate to espouse their views openly, freely, unabashedly. It’s a phenomenon Radosh believes has to do with the current administration: leftists see a renewed opportunity now that Obama is in power.
“Now, as President Barack Obama is beginning the mid-point of his first and possibly only term in office, the Left is again trying to advance a new form of the old strategy,” he writes. And “as our national economy and many state and city budgets again are at the breaking point,” he adds, “Frances Fox Piven has issued a new call to repeat and build upon the ruinous strategies that she and her late husband advanced decades ago.”
In 1966 when Cloward and Piven published their first manifesto in The Nation, Americans were spell bound — especially poorer Americans who sucked up the couple’s call like a dying desert cactus. The New Republic’s John McWhorter writes:
But when Piven and Cloward published a manifesto in The Nation, there were 30,000 reprint requests. One thousand neighborhood service centers nationwide encouraged people to go on welfare who would not have otherwise. In the ’60s, one-third of the people whose incomes made them eligible for AFDC were on the rolls. By 1971, 90 percent were.
An old strategy for a new year. Let‘s hope it doesn’t have the same effect.
Editor’s note: Piven’s entire editorial can be viewed here. However, in order to read it, you must be a subscriber.























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Comments (577)
IntrepidSI
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:05pmHate to tell Ms. Piven this, but Revolution would require work, and your welfare state has created “Soldiers” who very likely won’t be doing any “revolting” because it requires putting down the remote and getting off the couch. Now if you wanted to have it in their living rooms and it’s before their programs come on tv, well then maybe we can kick off the rebelion right now.
Can you imagine this type of “Revolutionary” Army on the march? They would have to hit every Starbucks drive thru, their vehicles could only be “Green” machines and everyone would have to be back home every 30 days to get their “Check”. Your side doesn’t believe in weapons, Dumbass! What are you going to fight with, Tofu cannons? LOL, LOL, LOL.
treshall
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:09pmIntrepidsi, your observations are spot-on: ‘…your welfare state has created “Soldiers” who very likely won’t be doing any “revolting” because it requires putting down the remote and getting off the couch’.
They’d have to drop the bag of Cheetos, too; highly unlikely
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:48pm“and everyone would have to be back home every 30 days to get their “Check”. SO TRUE!
Report Post »cosette
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 11:00amAnd the crack pipe!
Report Post »AmericanLass
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 1:10pmWell, they did get some of them off the couch to go to the Jon Stewart Rally. Never underestimate the power that their “Pay Check” (that’s what they refer to it as) can do. And they are doing it in Greece, France, England. When you have been indoctrinated into believing that what others have belongs to you, its a strong motivator. That is why I believe Greed and Covetousness is denounced in the Bible.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 4:32pmIntrepidsi, your point is exactly the same as Piven’s: that unemployment makes for apathy and lethargy, not indignation and anger. What you have wrong is the bit about Starbuck’s and “green” cars; here you seem to have confused people getting welfare and unemployment benefits with academic and other left-wing elites such as (I assume) Piven herself.
Report Post »xm-1774u
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:04pmidiot dream on we are not commies but if we do get mad you would be on the list
Report Post »treshall
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:02pmYet more evidence of the veracity of all that Rush, Hannity and Savage have been saying: Liberalism is a disease. These people are mentally ill.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:02pmMaybe the “complacency on the Right” is the same “complacency on the Left”…be such a shame if the “unruly, unemployed, homeless mobs” just didn’t “react” the way Frances wants…wouldn‘t that be horribly sad for her not to realize her lifetime dream when she’s so close to the end…boo hoo
Report Post »radioguru
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:01pmWhere do these nimrods come from? Really, isn’t anybody listening and going to do something about her? It’s becoming a full frontal assault from the left.
Report Post »GdavidH
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 9:02pmRemember they painted Beck as seditious for saying the opposite of what this wretch is calling for.
Report Post »Works fine for the progressives.
AynRandLives
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:59pmLooks like someone beat her with that UGLY STICK.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 6:31pmthats what happens when the devil takes control of a life they become ugly inside and out
Report Post »Devil Dog 7175
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 10:59amUgly stick hell… They dropped the whole damn tree on her!
Report Post »GdavidH
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 8:57pmShe could shave her a$$ and walk backwards……..Uhh, never mind
Report Post »BMartin1776
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:58pmNo thats what they want they want violence to finalize whatever “machine” they are building. We can get them through other means civil within the rule of law. Push them push them hard and make them break while standing your ground of on violence. They will break and when they do cameras will be rolling to expose them. If they break hard enough they will be he ones breaking the law and end up in jail. No matter what do not physically engage these animals.
The tactics are there the question to all of you is what are you prepared to do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7jsKLXqA0g
Be prepared get your house in order and you need to understand we are at war with the progressive animals whether you want to admit it or not! This war cannot be fought through conventional means, the only way in Saving the Republic is through The Art of Political Guerrilla Warfare http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Report Post »BigBouy
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:55pmAnd along with anger must come a denunciation of personal responsibility. Instead, workers must realize that others have put them in their current, uneasy situation: “[T]he out-of-work have to stop blaming themselves for their hard times and turn their anger on the bosses, the bureaucrats or the politicians who are in fact responsible” This statement explains where these kind of commies fail. The majority of Americans don’t think this way.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:06pmI think you may be right! Good point!
Report Post »mcpbob
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:54pmI would not be upset at all if she got hit by a car sliding in the snow during a winter storm…. yeah, i wouldn’t be upset at all, i don’t even consider her human
CatB
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:54pmYes .. it is getting easier and easier to “identify” these traitors … where are the charges of inciting to overthrow the government, treason, etc? Don’t they know their “savior” is President? and they had a Congress full of the same? .. until the people on November 2nd started CLEANING! That must be it .. they see this as their last best HOPE before We the People take it back from them.
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:52pmFor all of you that think Beck is an extremist nut job…it would do you good to LQQK at the facts. Beck has been telling everyone about Cloward and Piven for years. LQQKS like if the marxists have their way the chickens will be coming home to roost in America…just like in Greece and Germany. I guarantee you one thing…all you liberal types out there want be doubters very long after it happens. Choose this day Whom you will serve. Storm clouds are gathering on the horizon. Decision time is coming. Better be prepared. SELF-RELIANCE
N37BU6
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:50pmJON STEWART:
Where are you, buddy? Come on, we need your debunking skills. And by “debunking skills”, I mean putting on a pair of glasses and acting like an idiot for your idiotic audience.
Come on, man… put us all in our places. Enlighten us.
Report Post »conservativeme
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:50pmI propose a New Year’s Resolution – for all Americans to totally ignore idiots like this!
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 9:27amIf everyone ignores her, nobody would know all the “crazy conspiracy theorists” were right.
Why is everyone here wishing they would disappear / shut up? This is a GOOD thing. You need to think about it for more than 0.01 seconds.
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:49pmWon’t she be surprised when the violence she incites comes full circle looking for her. http://guerillatics.com
Report Post »heatherfeather
Posted on January 23, 2011 at 1:04amRead a book called “The Camp of the Saints”. Set in Europe and rather sad, but the part where the progressive intellectuals reap what they sow is priceless.
Report Post »leedurhamstone
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 3:37amIt is a huge stretch to contend that Piven advocates violence. Please read and understand what you are reading without using the binoculars of “The Blaze.”
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:48pm@FOXISLYINGTOALLOFYOU:
Waiting for your insight on this one.
Report Post »glenng2
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 1:32amAll the insight in the world would be worthless to a mindless droll as yourself!
komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 8:07amI find it interesting that our friends on the left seem to remain silent on these sorts of story.
I am just now scrolling down the page and have thus far seen only one comment from a liberal…
Happy New Year, all!
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 8:38amGLENNG2 = FOXISLYINGTOALLOFYOU
Can’t argue back, so he poses as someobody else who can’t argue back.
Weak.
Report Post »SND97
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:48pmThey really need to abolish the treason law, because they can’t prosecute anyone anymore with any legit reason. How many of these people, her, Van Jones, and others have said or did worse things in the past and have been sent to jail or even executed. They owe all of them in the past an apoligy. The are calling outload for the overthrow of the United States and nothing is done?
Report Post »BoilitDown
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 6:13pm@SND97
Report Post »I believe the laws are OK but we don’t have the benefit of a Department of Justice anymore. The DOJ is sworn to work for the people but seem to be working only at the behest of the president instead.
Maybe We The People need to start up our own DOJ which would operate according to the rule of law on our behalf.
bullcrapbuster
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 10:56pmAnd “they have the president.”
Report Post »So
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 7:53amYou are so right, SND97. Much worse has been said and done by our elected officials.
Seems to me, it won’t be long where treason will be used, but it will be convoluted and used against the conservatives.
The world is upside down.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:47pmI don’t understand how someone can publicly advocate violence in the streets without any fear of any kind of punishment. I think the right to free speech ends once you advocate general uprisings and violence. The first instance of anything like this taking place she should be arrested and if found guilty spend the rest of her life in prison.
Another thought, should me or any of my family be the victims of the violence that she advocates I for one would be very tempted to take the law into my own hands, especially if I thought that the government wasn’t going to punish her, and punish her myself. The funny thing is that she is relying on the same forces that she is railing against to protect her from people like me. A little ironic.
BoilitDown
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:51pm@Rickfromillinois
Report Post »She has apparently lived this irony most all her life and never gained the wisdom to see the paradox.
It’s kind of like cutting your feet off so you can run faster.
Calling for the overthrow of a government that protects you to replace it with one which could not makes no sense. Befriended by folks like the Clintons, academics and the elites, she has lived very well while tearing down America.
She has been calling for violent sedition all this time yet faced no consequences. Why?
Fedupwithprogressives
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 6:06pmIsn’t it treason to incite people to riot? Isn‘t what she’s doing akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater? Is she on the terrorist watch list?
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 1:17amMostly Ditto!
Report Post »CanadianTory
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 9:53amThe reason I believe that people can get away with this kind of talk is that the government is afraid to arrest them for what is quite clearly treasonous. Lets pretend for a moment that this POS spouts shows up in an Ideal America, where laws are enforced and the government actually does work. The AG decides that he is actually going to prosecute for treason or if not treason than for something. All Piven would have to do is scream FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!! and hire on the ACLU to defend her right to say this. It would be a political disaster. The Left Wing media would be behind her, the liberal Network Media would be ambivilant at best and the few right wing outlets would be screaming for her head. At the end of the day she would be aquitted by some moron judge and proclaim victory over the forces of hatred and fear like liberals always seem to do when they narrowly avoid being trapped by their own words.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:46pm“We have Obama, not bad” Wake up America.
Report Post »Christian Kalgaard
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 12:10amAmen; people, time to listen to what your gut‘s been signaling to you since even before ’08
Report Post »cranes
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:45pmShe needs to go to Europe and other Godless countries for this kind of nonsense. In America we will help one another. Sure there are some think that money is more important than people, but most Americans believe in helping each other no matter how little we have. I for one am one of those!
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 11:05pmDitto!
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:44pmAnybody with any common sense whatsoever knows that the clowns that have been in control of the house and senate since 2006, and the white house since 2009 are the ones that purposely destroyed, and have continued to destroy, our economy. They want people to get upset about whats been happening then they are truly idiots! Just whom do they think would be destroyed if we finally lose our temper? I doubt if many of them would survive to see the inside of a prison.
Report Post »murphytavern
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 7:39ampeople like her don’t understand a mobs mindset.a mob will not stop until everyone is either dead or in prison that would make lubyanka look like a trip to Disney world so Americans we can not fall into the trap
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:44pmActually she had my attention until she advocated violence – the problems she mentioned are true and we should be angry but that anger should not lead to violence. There are other ways to have change – we are just not anger enough yet!! http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:23pmYou are the problem you fool.
338lapua
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 6:12pmHer ENTIRE schtick is violence. With every comment I laugh harder and harder at you!
vennoye
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 6:26pmYou know, I did go to your listed website and looked at all of the things you had posted on it. I was especially SOOOOOOOOOOO impressed with all of the information from the Huff Post and other propaganda sites. I really wonder why you even bother with The Blaze……you seem to see the world through different lenses!!
Report Post »Hopefully, the majority of Americans are more intelligent than Frances Fox Piven gives them credit for. God help the people who go out and start riots in the street……whomever they are!! America is NOT Europe.
komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 8:03am@Walk–
I would suggest you read or (or reread?) F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom. Perhaps others could recommend other books that make more direct arguments against the whole redistribution of wealth scheme. I have to go now, and so can’t make that argument myself right now.
Happy New Year, all!
Report Post »pdh42
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 5:13pmIf you don’t have a job, why don’t you get out and get one…. If there isn’t one in your area MOVE and find one…. In Texas we may not have the highest paid jobs BUT there are jobs for people who WANT to work…. Besides no one is resposible for you or anyone else for having a job…. Companies closing is part of life and if we don’t adapt then we are the problem…. Continue to make yourself better and more educated then the next person and always strive to learn everything that you can so that when an opportunity comes up you are ready to take that opportunity….
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 6:25pmPDH42,
Who/what are you talking about? Who has mentioned being out of work?
The reason people are not finding other jobs is they get more in unemployment benefits than they would working 40 hrs a week. Change this and people will be forced to go back to work, even if it means 2 minimum wage jobs. Work as a dishwasher, they always need them and they usually get well above minimum wage and it is not a bad job. Take online classes to get ahead, there is always a way out…
komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 6:07amAh! Yes, Broke. I can’t believe I forgot that one. Very good, and as scathing of Reagan‘s big spending as it is of Obama’s.
I will never understand the people who speak of “windfall profits” as a bad thing. Why should a company’s success be condemned, and not celebrated?
And that awful, “oppressive” capitalism that has created a society where 97% of the “poor” have televisions. Oh, the inhumanity!
matt708
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:42pmwell they see Obama as their savior, he needs to speak out about this, NOW
Report Post »Goldenyears22
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 5:24pmMatt, they agree with each other. Speak out, he won’t, just continue to do things that she likes on executive order.
Report Post »rbqueen
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:41pmWhat else can you expect of Liberals, Progressives and Commies? It really is a shame that we cannot take these “people?” who hate America so much and ship them to Siberia or somewhere like that so that they will feel like they belong without freedom.
1TrueOne55
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:47pmWe could move them to Alaska’s ANWAR and let them live their… That would be the equivelant to Russian Siberia. ROFLMAO…
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 9:11pmSounds like a good use .. since these are the same people who don’t want us to DRILL in ANWAR!
Report Post »matt708
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:40pmhey Holder this woman is asking for the overthrow of the american gov’t she needs to be investigated now,HNey Napolitino you need to check this home grown terror out. Come on your suppose to be doing something about terroists.
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:47pmBut not when they are their terrorists. Get real!
Report Post »Marcobob69
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 9:25pmHolder is the WORST AG we have ever had, if it’s a liberal = NO ACTION Black Panther = NO ACTION
Napolitano = Won’t do a damn thing either, orders from up high (can you say spooky dood)!!! Yes, that string-puller has got his fingerprints all over this! Besides, Piven has got to be about 150 years old by now, must’ve had a leak in her Depends!
NeoCon762
Posted on January 23, 2011 at 3:36pmHey! Matt708! Have you heard of things like spelling and punctuation? How about showing that you are at least somewhat educated and know how to properly use the language of the country that you love so much? And to think that so many Americans complain that immigrants need to learn English……
dcwu
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:38pmShe is revolting.
CatB
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 4:56pmMy mother always said to be a kind person or else when you get older it shows on your face … man it is showing on this womans face .. EVIL!
RobertCA
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 5:10pmI know a few good places for her face : Venezuela – Cuba – Syria – Iran – Belarus – North Korea .
starman70
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 6:16pmShe should be tried for TREASON!
NancyBee
Posted on December 31, 2010 at 7:45pm@ CatB………….My 1st thought was…My! This woman looks like the devil! Beauty is only skin deep………This woman’s heart…is showing on her face…not a pretty sight. There will be people that go to the streets..but they will be nutjobs and people that will be paid to riot. God help America!
SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 10:05amTrue. her face looks like a catchers mitt! Strike three!
SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 10:26amwhen life gets tough and you think you just can’t take anymore….always remember that some where there is a Mr. pelos anda Mr. behar. You could have it much, much worse.
JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 3:36pmWhat an uneventful life
She called for violent and none came
She called for people to over throw the government and none came
She called for people to support socialism and none came
She calls for the people who live in a free country to become slaves of the government and none came
She is now useless, old and irreverent; death does not even find her worthy of attention
May suggest a tomb stone epitaph
Here lies; Frances Fox Piven
She drowned herself in a toilet to be remembered
Well Frances I guess it is up to you now……. Please use an American Standard
JQT
Young Entrepreneur
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 7:16pmI call this a good start! This is my current dream team pick… Who would you choose to fill these important positions?
2012 Dream Team:
President, Andrew Paolo Napolitano
Vice-President, John Bolton
Secretary of State, Ron Paul
Secretary of Treasury, Rand Paul
Attorney General, ???
Secretary of Education, Chris Christie
Secretary of Defense, Ronald Lee Ermey
Secretary of Commerce, Donald Trump
Press Secretary, Sarah Palin
I couldn’t think of a good person for the Attorney General position… Any ideas?
Shoshanna
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 4:27amI never like making fun of a person’s appearance, but her face is so full of hate that evil is not a strong enough word to describe her.
Windsong
Posted on January 3, 2011 at 11:12amAnd here, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the one woman who is actually attractive…to George Soros… They seem right together, somehow.
Report Post »Conservativepatriot1
Posted on January 22, 2011 at 2:01pmSeems like she’s just angry that the middle class keeps getting ripped off.
Report Post »Tom70
Posted on January 28, 2011 at 12:53pmWhere is McCarty when we rally need him? Bubble, bubble toil and trouble. From a captive in the Peoples republic of California.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 1:07pmI have lots of that.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 1:11pmFox is in the hen house,they won’t investigate their own.
Report Post »SEEKINGTRUTH1950
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 3:54pmVery true, Humble. What with Rep. Issa having subpoena power…it would be interesting to see her under oath, with a real price to pay for her words.
Report Post »eflint1
Posted on January 2, 2011 at 12:16amYou don’t love America. You love the America you wish existed…the USSA.
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