Frances Fox Piven Tries To Breathe New Life Into The Occupy Movement
- Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:48pm by
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As the police are shutting down Occupy camps across the country, and consensus grows that the protest’s time has come and gone, one of the movement’s chief architects must be a little worried about the future of the cause.
Perhaps that’s why she decided to sit down and write an article for The Nation.
Frances Fox Piven, in what appears to be an attempt to galvanize the Occupy movement and bring about her Utopian economic revolution, has reentered the “income inequality” debate by penning (or typing, rather) an article titled, “A Proud, Angy Poor.”
And although her article is so overrun with outrageous claims (e.g. religion in America fosters a “culture of insult” towards the poor) and oft-repeated falsehoods (conservatives hate black people, poor people, etc.) that it makes it extraordinarily difficult to decide where to begin, we can still try to evaluate the veracity of her claims, can we not?
That’s the spirit!
Piven writes:
Occupy Wall Street has thrust the issue of extreme inequality into the spotlight. The movement has spread so quickly and alarmed politicians not because of its rather small encampments but because its message resonates.
That’s debatable. If Gallup polling data is correct, the Occupy message isn’t resonating.
As reported earlier on The Blaze, a majority of Americans (including a plurality of Democrats) are actually more concerned with the threat of big government than they are with “big business.” In fact, perhaps as a result of multiple riots, rapes and cases of public defecation, goodwill towards the Occupy movement has actually seen a sharp decline.
She continues:
Most people know, or at least half-know, that our problem is growing inequality, and they also know that government is complicit in the financially driven capitalism that is in the driver’s seat.
Let’s take a serious look at this whole notion of “income inequality.” Seeing as how Miss Piven is a university professor, perhaps a little perspective will add to this conversation.
Consider the following facts:
- Harvard Professor Average Salary: $193,800
- Columbia Professor Average Salary: $191,400
- University of Chicago Professor Average Salary: $190,400
- Stanford University Professor Average Salary: $188,400
- Princeton University Average Salary: $186,000
Now compare these numbers:
- U.S. Marine 20+ Years Median Salary: $76,200
- U.S. Marine 10-19 Years Median Salary: $53,100
- U.S. Marine 5-9 Years Median Salary: $40,000
- U.S. Marine Less Than 5 Years Median Salary: $28,700
Maybe Piven should instead be asking, “When do we occupy the quad?”
To be fair, the difference in salary between a tenured Harvard professor and a U.S. Marine may not be as extreme as, say, the difference between a Goldman Sachs executive and a New York City police officer.
However, as far as one can tell, the Occupy movement isn’t just about a difference in numbers. It’s about a specific socio-political theory that says, “It’s not fair that so few should have so much.”
When the Occupiers say that we should protest Goldman Sachs because hedge funders are paid more than the police, wouldn’t that same logic apply to Harvard because its professors are paid more than the U.S. Marines?
It would seem that both of these examples are flawed in their logic because, at their root, they are dependent on one’s personal understanding of what “too much” is.
Who gets to decide that?
Furthermore, these examples ignore the fact that, as private institutions, Harvard and Goldman Sachs are entitled to pay their employees whatever amount they feel is just.
If, for example, protesters are upset that the U.S. Marines and NYPD are not paid enough, then why attack private institutions that have nothing to do with their payrolls? They should be protesting whoever it is that cuts the checks for these public employees. Think about it: unlike a private institution, the taxpayer actually has a legitimate claim to how much the state and Federal government should pay its employees.
Therefore, instead of attacking the banks and calling for the end of capitalism, here’s a compromise: the government could dramatically slash the salaries of cushier public sector jobs and relocate that money to the payrolls of U.S. servicemen and women.
Which “cushier jobs” should be targeted? Maybe the government could start with a thorough and comprehensive review the salaries of state university professors.
Which brings us back to Frances Fox Piven: according to the City University of New York (CUNY) website, Piven is a “Distinguished Professor” of Sociology and Political Science at the CUNY Graduate Center.
Guess how much Piven makes:
Well, would you look at that: an annual salary of $144,958
Unlike Harvard or Goldman Sachs, CUNY is a public institution where salaries are dependent on tax revenues. Therefore, rather than starting a riot and sputtering somewhat flawed theories on “just” compensation, Occupiers could simply demand that the money that’s already being taken from them to pay Piven’s salary instead go to those who are “more deserving.”
And it’s those two words (“more deserving”) that are really at the heart of the problem: it seems that much of what has been said on the subject of “income inequality” has revolved around someone else’s own mutable and fallible idea of “fair.” So, unless someone produces a fact-based proof for what “equal” looks like, then the entire idea of “income inequality” will continue to go in circles, one side arguing in favor of prosecuting CEOs while the other argues in favor of slashing public university salaries.
Piven continues:
The slogan “We are the 99 percent” stresses our commonality and lays the basis for a movement ethic of democracy, inclusion and solidarity. This is a big and welcome step. After all, we need an ethic that goes beyond the incessant liberal (and union) talk of “the middle class.”
Based on the gravamen of the Occupier’s complaint, albeit convoluted and disjointed, we know that “inclusion” and “solidarity,” in their literal senses, are not being promoted.
While preaching “inclusion and solidarity,” Piven and the Occupy movement have repeatedly claimed that these lofty goals can only be achieved at the expense of others–the “1 percent.” Technically, this is not inclusion in the full sense of the word. It is “inclusion” as the Occupiers would like to define it.
Is this what “a movement ethic of democracy, inclusion and solidarity” looks like?
“Still, the movement has to respond to the police sweeps of its encampments by becoming broader and more hard-hitting,” Piven adds. Please define “hard-hitting.”
It has to firmly include [split infinitive] the vast number of people who have been marginalized by the rhetoric of American politics and by the realities of the American economy. In many places the homeless have joined the encampments. That is a beginning. But it’s not enough. To fully realize [split infinitive] an ethic of inclusion, the poorest and most benighted Americans should become part of our protest movement. We need to increase their numbers at our demonstrations, and we need to undertake the protest actions that deal with their most urgent needs—including the attacks on the social safety net that hit them hardest.
There are two problems with this passage.
First, as pointed out by the astute Joel B. Pollak of Big Government, the fact that someone—let alone Piven—has to beg the Occupy movement to include more poor people may prove what many have long suspected: that this protest is made up primarily of well-to-do, upset, affluent, and, most importantly, bored college students.
Ecce! Poverty in America. What a country.
Secondly, Piven seems to be laboring under the delusion that various labor groups haven’t already been including (i.e. paying) homeless people to participate in the Occupy protests.
As Big Government documents in this video, an activist named “Channing” claims that the former ACORN organization–through its new front group, New York Communities for Change–was paying homeless people $10 per hour and $100 per day to attend various Occupy demonstrations.
“She suggests that ACORN’s involvement is unwelcome, alleging that its homeless employees are ‘being paid to come here and mess things up,’” reports Big Government.
The homeless are at the Occupy demonstrations–but usually only if they’re paid. This has Piven scratching her head and wondering why “the people who have been hurt the most by the trends of the past several decades have so far remained quiescent.”
And although she believes it’s because American society has embarrassed them into submission, the notable absence of the poor from Occupy protests is more likely due to the fact that those who are actually destitute, and not just “upset” because a professor offered them extra credit to go protest, have been discriminated against by the wealthier Occupiers.
Her article keeps going:
Occupy Wall Street presents the possibility of a new and massive national protest movement capable of forcing a reversal of course, for the city and the nation. This could be one of those big turns in American political history, set in motion by indignant people who take to the streets or occupy the factories or the schools.
So, is she calling for all-out revolution?
And it will take an upheaval of historic dimensions to force the reigning financial and business interests and the politicians who kowtow to them to move in new directions, to cede a measure of democratic regulation of finance and business, to give in to policies that empower workers and their unions, to go along with policies that limit the corruption of electoral politics by big money and its propaganda and, not least, to restore and expand the safety net.
I guess that answers that question.
For this to happen, the movement has to grow, and it has to include in its ranks the people who have been scorned and abused by corporate domination of our politics. Not only would OWS gain strength from the participation of the poor; participation in a great movement dedicated to reducing extreme inequality would also transform the poor. Our society would benefit from that transformation. A proud and angry poor could help to remake America.
Maybe people would take you seriously if, you know, you weren’t playing make-believe
After reading her article, one’s first inclination may be to commit her ideas and philosophies to the dustbin of “No thanks.” However, this may be unwise.
As Pollak writes:
… her views are influential within the radical American left–and familiar to its graduates in government, who are less a minority in the Obama administration than they have been in any other.
Apparently, Piven’s philosophies of economic revolution and total social upheaval are more widespread than one would assume. If those in power do indeed subscribe to said theories, this could prove to be dangerous. What possible good could come from a politician who, backed by the force of law, enforces or pursues an economic state wherein “fair” and “equal” are defined by hazy and illogical philosophies?
It is therefore the responsibility of the American voter to ensure that those running for public office, whether it’s their first time or not, are free from the stain of Piven-esque doctrines.
Otherwise, things may get awfully interesting, awfully fast.
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Comments (193)
KangarooJack
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:12amToday, NPR did a really sad {tears a-flowin}report on Venice Beach in California.
The local gov’t told the NON-BUSINESS OWNERS/ DON’T PAY TAXES/ HOMELESS -SLEEP ON THE BOARDWALK FOR PRIMO SPOTS overnight-and [HUGE-GASP} FIGHT over territory to set up card tables outside businesses to peddle their wares….oh, heck- listen to the NPR death knell to the ‘sad mime’…..
What started this death knell were business owners AND VISITORS to this hodge podge…turns out the robbery and assaults caught the attention of the people who actually buy stuff… go figure?
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 12:53pmAlso consider very few “professors” actually ever see the inside of a lecture hall. so, don’t forget they have a “staff” also paid. And don’t forget that “professors” are also, usually, tasked with publication of “papers” and, usually, do so under a pseudonym, the “school” can claim was studied using their ‘resources’ and adds to their ‘resume.’
If “breathing new life” into the movement is her present goal, she might be careful not to breathe too hard, at her age. Methuselah was younger.
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:11amWe’re coming for you Francis.
Report Post »And you thought the Nazi’s were hounded like dogs.You ain’t seen nothing yet.
smackdown33
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:36amNothing new in history: http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 1:00amYeah, that’s the same frame of thought that got the Commies into government to begin with. We just need bigger control huh, bigger government to do “Our” bidding?
Report Post »AnAppealToGod
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 1:02amshe’s obsolete. moving on…………..
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 1:02amThrough-out the twentieth Century it’s been a steady swapping of Fascist and Commie Presidents, and even now people are not wise to this. This nation is so toast.
Report Post »kurtnut
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 1:11amLets just hope she dies of old age.
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 2:16amMother of God….she’s fuglier than Mooch O…..
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 2:27amThe only good communist is a dead communist. Let’s begin with this one. Works for me.
Report Post »kenXIII
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 2:30amanyone see the story about the teacher Melissa Bollow Tempel in Milwaukee with her twisted gender teaching methods on the huff & rethinking schools . org?? and we wonder why our nation ranks 26th in the world. people like this should not be teaching 1st grade kids.
Report Post »demand teachers bring test scores up or be fired! if they want better pay tell them to quit building 500+million dollar high schools
TomFerrari
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:49amYou beat me to it, @ANAPPEALTOGOD,
Piven is a once-was, has-been. She is irrelevant.
I feel pity for all these misguided people.
They are in our prayers.
RESTORING LOVE
Report Post »July 26 27 28, Dallas, TX
http://www.Meetup.com/MercuryOneHQ
loriann12
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 6:31amThis nation is becoming a guided democracy, like Indonesia. Look it up on line….it basically means we are free to vote, but through propaganda and manipulation, our candidates are chosen for us so that policies never change and things go on as they always have. It doesn’t matter anymore, establishment Republicans and Democrats are exactly alike.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 7:11amThese old dinosaurs just won’t die and go away. There has to be a nice warm corner in danktum’s finest waiting for this one.
Report Post »Trebuchet
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 8:34amAnybody ever notice Francis looks like Eddie The Head?
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 9:34amAhhh, the Obama youth.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 10:34amWhat a… Rotten Person!!!
Report Post »Iswingright
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 10:53amI think we should start by occupying that ol‘ bag’s house.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 11:54amWhen will that miserable dried up old bat die….?
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 11:56amMaybe the sign should say NYPD work 40 hours a week, Goldman sack ceo work 70-80 a week and sometimes more to make the grade just to become a partner.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:36pmI wish “ol skellator” would just dry up and blow away.
Report Post »Jomil48
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:39pmThis lady has a very warm place set aside for her when she dies, May God Bless her
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 2:10pmWho cares? Her time is over. Onto the ash heap.
Report Post »Cariucha
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:45pmRight on Mr Magoo! right on!
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 6:01pmCommunism is based on the premise that people are basically good and hard working. That is simply not true. If you’re going to get paid the same regardless of how hard you work, how smart you are or how much risk you take…. the vast majority won’t work hard, the vast majority won‘t go to school and the vast majority won’t take any risk. Communistic regimes attempt to deal with these issues with more government which, of course, only makes the problem worse.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 2:05amIs there anyway we can start referring to her as the Gremlin? lol
Report Post »prage2001
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 4:30amWhy is it that truly evil people live such long lives?
Report Post »Square Dancer
Posted on December 23, 2011 at 9:16am“Frances Fox Piven Tries To Breathe New Life Into The Occupy Movement”
Judging by her photo, maybe she needs to try to breathe a little life into herself….just not much.
Report Post »Apple Bite
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:57pmShe has the kind of gingivitis that would make Frankenstein run away. I just don’t see this happening again.
Report Post »michael48
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:16am“crap full of UGLY”, trying to give purpose to airhead DEM-WITS that are “to stupid to breathe”…both equally meaningless…
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:16amMary Shelley would never have run away from this witch.Piven.
Report Post »coindexter
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:47pm…what about “ugly” inequality…she seems to have more of it than 99% of America. at least she is trying to share her immense ugliness thru her teachings.
Report Post »The American People
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:56pmThis woman’s life is a crime against humanity and the Constitution. Her ideals, liberalism, anarchy, collapse, communism and socialism. MOST of the country had people who died in wars against those ideals and those ideals were proven to be harmful to the very existence of our freedom. She should be labeled a foreigner and deported. Her hatred for the country and attempt at using the human filth at occupy wallstreet to fight her liberal anarchy war are cancerous to the society and they need to be cut out.
Report Post »pschlentz
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 2:09amFrances Fox-Piven should be hung in public for Treason! She’s gonna die an old washed up dish rag… She’s pathetic!
Report Post »Wakeup Maggie
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 10:34amExactly right…let this comfy commie limousine liberal, who wants others to do her bidding–go out and sleep among the excrement, where she belongs. What a sad and pathetic excuse for a human being
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:55pmThat old bat needs to STFU and go bake some cookies in the old-age home. At least that would be constructive.
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 2:16pmShe’d probably make brownies.
Report Post »Beckaj
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:49pmThis is the movement that she has been waiting for her entire life. Look for her to continue to try to stoke up the flames of revolution.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:08amBECKAJ…..
No question about it! The anti-Americans have been at it for decades. You have to give them credit for that, at least. They will not quit.
We cannot let our votes get split next November! Eric Holder‘s ’civil rights’ division and its sibling, the ‘voters section’, will do everything to channel votes to Obama.
Everyone should read J Christian Adams book…“Injustice”.
Many on this site are sadly misinformed on the Repub candidates. Bachmann, Santorum, or Palin could defeat Obama. We need a candidate to be 180 degrees opposite of Obama.
There has to be a clear difference or otherwise, we lose!
Of course, some here are ‘moles’ for Obama. They are playing to true Patriots desires for culling anyone not “perfect enough.” Every ‘R’ candidate has some disqualifying flaw.
Report Post »All the while, we have an anti-American/Racist/Socialist/Marxist in the WH.
mrfunn
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 7:20amrose-ellen,
Report Post »Glad to finally see what you look like.
About what I expected.
ULYSSESG
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:48pmJust like we saw the South Korean “so called leader DIE” Lets hope she suffers the same fate….not far given the “cee u next tuesdays age”.
Report Post »texasfireguy
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:07amSouth Korean leader? Don’t you mean the North Korean?
Report Post »RJO
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:45pmWait!!
How does Grandma Frances have time to do this? She’s a “Cookie Maker” for Heavens sake give Granny a break!!
Chocolate Chip, Ginger Snap, Raisin, Sugar……..you name it – she’s the Queen of the oven! This is what she does!!!
Leave the poor woman alone already!
She is a GRANDMA!! Nothing more, nothing less….and the sooner you Constitution-loving, pro-life, free enterprise, liberty loving zealots figure this FACT out the better!!
By the way, I’ve heard that Granny Frances is the new spokesperson for “Wrinkle Fade.”
Cookies man!! COOKIES!! Don’t be distracted America!!
This woman (it’s been verified) has poured her heart and soul into hours upon hours of baking – get off it!!
On the serious side of this………………there is a “face” to the Marxist Movement within our country’s elected “leadership” and the face is scary – beyond the obvious points.
Conservatives will be beaten over the head by “media” until November – put on a helmet and settle in for the long-haul.
Report Post »AMERICA4EVER
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:22amShe’s still eating those laced brownies from the 60″s.
Report Post »Larry E
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:44pmMs Piven is another contestant for the let’s see how wonderful life is under communism with the commoners and not the party bosses. North Korea might work well for her.
Report Post »CoolHandGordon
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:44pmWho’s the right wings Piven? (crickets…) If the Left is so dumb how did they manage to brainwash the last 2 generations?
Report Post »R0bespierre
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:59pmRight? Give us some credit, Blazers – por favor, compañeros!
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:16amFunny story, you let one side do all of the talking and people start listening to them. I realized that when I was a highschool student listening to how everyone treated President Bush and since he didn’t respond accusations became accepted as gospel.
Other than that, Vladamir Lenin was right about one thing, there will always be useful idiots to support the cause.
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 7:44amCOOL it’s because we allowed communist to infiltrate the unions,school and political offices
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:39pmwhat piven dosent get is that her‘revolution happened’ and all that did happen was the American people saw exactly what a bunch of well funded spoiled brats on a temper tantrum looked and acted like. when your speakers advocate marxism and socialism in their speeches then try to pretend they are capitialists, it dosent work, when you have college kids in YALE with expensive laptops complaining they are the “poor and downtrodden” you are busted. when you have rich ivy legue marxists lying in a fit about things that are not true, you are busted. when you have activists throwing rocks and metal bars and fire, crapping on cars, destroying businesses, and promising violence if ythey dont get their free stuff then you are busted and when you have groups like SDS, Unions, KKK, NAZI all providing food, shelter, internet and tents etc then you are not opressed, or fighting big business, or suffering, you are commies on a camping trip. Face it Piven. your revolution is a farce and you are a professional contrarian and victocrat trying to breath new life into a movement that had ZERO, factial, logical, historical or moral base to operate on. but bring violence to your pathetic revolution! I really hope you do, cause that will be all the reason real Americans need to Arm themselves and rise up against you. theres on gonna be 1 revolution and thats the new AMERICAN CAPITIALIST, CONSTITUTIONAL revolution. not your hippie nonsense
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:57pmPiven needs to focus on economic mobility rather than inequality; We do not have the same productive capacity, nor the same [non-government] connections as everyone else. It is mobility that ensures a path out of poverty, and it is government intervention in the economy that blocks that path.
For example, Minimum Wage laws, Anti-trust Laws, and government-protected Unions all create barriers to entry for unskilled laborers.
Piven needs to watch this.
See here.
How to Reach the Left | Roderick T. Long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4hjO1ak4_M
And then she needs to read the following article which shows that it’s people like her who were actually the ones responsible for the housing collapse.
See here.
Recent Efforts to Overload the American System
Report Post »http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/recenteffortstooverloadtheamericansystem.html
AMERICA4EVER
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:25amMic check, mic check…lol!
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:37pmMarx, Alinsky, Piven. Guess what they have in common. It’s really not too uncommon.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:42pmSoon enough though all of them and the other radicals learn that time is unbeatable and so is death; I wonder what excuses they may try to present on the time of Judgment all will face?
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:45pmCommunists.To be beaten down like the filthy animals they are.IMO.
Report Post »R0bespierre
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:57pmYou know what they say, you can’t keep a good ideology down.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:18amNot so much that you can’t keep a “good ideology down” rather fools never learn that their ideas don’t work and keep trying them over and over again.
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:34amWinston Churchill: “{Bolshevism} among the Jews is nothing new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing”
Marx, Alinsky, Piven.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:36pmPiven better save her breaths and not waste them on occupy, at her age she doesn’t have too many left!
Report Post »tzion
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:31pmWait a minute! She’s saying that the rewards of joining OWS come just from participating. Participation trophy anyone?
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:01amIf they do really good, and protest really hard, she promised them she will show them her boobs. Break out the beads gentlemen.
Report Post »Veritas Libertas
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 1:34amAnd I thought most went for drugs and rapes.
Report Post »Neils60
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:28pmI lost any and all respect for F.F. Piven, not that I had very much respect in the first place, because when she was challenged about her statements and activities over the years by Glenn Beck, she never, ever answered those questions. Instead, she challenged the questioner about his (Glenn’s) motives. To this day, nothing has changed for this old, old radical. And, her far, far left-wing viewpoints are as irrelevant now, as they were 50 years ago. Only, she still doesn’t know it.
Report Post »sharonzeke
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:28pmWHAT CAMP are YOU IN? This is the only movement that will keep us moving toward equality!
Time to look at derivatives that took down the housing market and REGULATE DC. Seriously folks, there is an easy answer ~ Government isn’t working for the people anymore, just for their paycheck to increase year after year.
Report Post »4X4in
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:40pmThen you should go poop in DC, right!
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:41pmEquality of material goods is not the end game for government, equality of opportunity is. There will ALWAYS be inequality, some people are more efficient and proficient than others. Sorry, but that is the truth.
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 7:42amOur Government would work just fine if we would get rid of the atheist and communist,marxist in office and courts and schools and return to the way our government was founded by using our Constitution and rule of law!!!!!!
Report Post »aurora53
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:28pmOne mentally ill leader trying to lead other mentally ill people. They are being paid for this ‘incursion’ and fed well. Who’s trying to fool who?
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:24pmI would agree that this cookie-making, sweater-knitting grandma‘s article should not be consigned to the ’dust bin’. It should be saved and used against her trial for treason.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 12:10amAmen Brother!
Report Post »RBSWORLD
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:08pmAlong with 0bama, clinton,jones, holder, schumer, and the rest that are to numerous to mention!!
Report Post »McNamara
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:22pmThe battle lines are forming….whether you realize it or not. One wrong thing happens, I think it will set off a chain reaction.
Report Post »Veritas Libertas
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 1:37amThat was in part the rationale of S. 1867. They have the solution prepared for the crisis, whatever form it takes. The implementation will only be the beginning however.
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:15pmI hate this word.But Piven is as about as ‘retarded’ as the come.
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:26pm*they*….as in worthless progressives.The ‘retarded’ have many,many gifts.People like Piven have NONE,none.She’s a liar and a old hag.
Report Post »ZeroOff4impact
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:07pmDead. ! OWS and Piven will Die a slow painful death.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 10:13amI’d settle for quick and painful.
Report Post »mattmo79
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:03pmThought she was dead. Maybe I was just being hopeful! So the evil slimeball is trying to push her agenda using the useful OWS idiots. Nothing new there!!
Report Post »rickroland
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:02pmYeap, and the extreme inequality is this:
Those that, despite the economic conditions, are making a go of it (even as hard as that is for some) and these people paying through the nose for those that on some sort of government assistance.
Much of this same inequality is embodied in the current monstrous tax code, which needs to be complete scrapped, with some sort of flat tax where *everyone* pays (richest of the rich, poorest of the poor and all in-between) OR completely do away with the income tax completely and fund the government like it was funded before the income tax was implemented (which would be preferable to any other option, frankly). Get the government’s boot (in the form of onerous taxes and regulations) off the necks of those making a go of it, despite all.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:00pmOWS will play a critical role in the left’s plans for 2012. They can be the scapegoats for a major suspension of constitutional liberties should polls be pointing to an Obama loss…….
Report Post »webjockey
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:51pmThat thought has crossed my mind too. Also will be interesting to see if they try and disrupt the conventions….
Report Post »Tankertony
Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:55pmShe looks like they need to breathe life into her.
Report Post »fatsomann
Posted on December 22, 2011 at 7:00amI was thinking the same thing.
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