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Gates Speaks Out: DADT Must be Decided by Congress, Not Courts

Gates Speaks Out: DADT Must be Decided by Congress, Not Courts

Defense Secretary Robert Gates says decisions about the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy must be decided by Congress, not the courts. (Photo: AP)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that abruptly ending the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy as a federal judge has ordered would have enormous consequences.

A day after a judge in California ordered the Pentagon to cease enforcement of its policy barring gays from openly serving in the military, Gates told reporters traveling with him to Brussels that the question of whether to repeal the law should be decided by Congress, and done only after the Pentagon completes its study of the issue.

“I feel strongly this is an action that needs to be taken by the Congress and that it is an action that requires careful preparation, and a lot of training,” said Gates. “It has enormous consequences for our troops.”

The defense secretary said that besides the changes in training, regulations will need revisions and changes may be necessary to benefits and Defense Department buildings.

The White House said time is running out for the ban on gays serving openly. “This is a policy that is going to end,” spokesman Robert Gibbs said Wednesday.

Yet, the battle in the courts over gays in the military may not be over. The Justice Department is considering whether to appeal the court ruling and its first response may well be another trip to the courtroom of U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips in Riverside, Calif., to seek a stay, or temporary freeze, of her ruling. If Phillips turns down the request, the Justice Department would likely turn to the federal appeals court in California.

It was unclear whether Phillips’ injunction against the 17-year-old policy on gays in the military would affect any ongoing cases.

If the government does appeal, that would put the Obama administration in the position of continuing to defend a law it opposes.

Gay rights groups warned gay troops not to disclose their identity for now. Aaron Tax, the legal director for the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, said he expects the Justice Department to appeal the case to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

“Service members must proceed safely and should not come out at this time,” Tax said in a statement.

Gates, a Republican, and Mullen face disagreement among some senior general officers on whether lifting the ban would cause serious disruption at a time when troops are fighting in Afghanistan and winding down a long war in Iraq.

For example, the incoming Marine commandant, Gen. James Amos, and his predecessor, Gen. James Conway, both have told Congress that they think most Marines would be uncomfortable with the change and that the current policy works.

In part to resolve the question of how the troops feel, Gates has ordered a study due Dec. 1 that includes a survey of troops and their families.

Obama agreed to the Pentagon study. Obama also worked with Democrats to write a bill that would have lifted the ban, pending completion of the Defense Department review and certification from the military that troop morale wouldn’t suffer. That legislation passed the House but was blocked in the Senate by Republicans.

Democrats could revive the legislation in Congress’ lame-duck session after the midterm election.

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins accused Phillips of “playing politics” with national defense.

“Once again, an activist federal judge is using the military to advance a liberal social agenda, disregarding the views of all four military service chiefs and the constitutional role of Congress,” he said.

Perkins urged the Justice Department “to fulfill its obligation to defend the law vigorously through the appeals process.”

Gates has said the purpose of his study isn’t to determine whether to change the “don’t ask, don’t tell” law, which is something he says is probably inevitable but for Congress to decide. Instead, the study is intended to determine how to end the policy without causing serious disruption.

Coming just three weeks before voters go to the polls, Tuesday‘s ruling seemed unlikely to force a final weeks’ change of strategy or message as candidates pounded home their plans to help put back to work the 15 million Americans lacking jobs.

Polls suggest the economy is driving voters’ choices, pushing national security and social issues down on their list of concerns.

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AP writer Pete Yost contributed to this report.

Comments (72)

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  • Seagal45
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 4:28pm

    I imagine that gays have been serving in the military since the military began, got no problem with it and I’m sure that the soldiers already know who is who in their units. The problem I have with it is the damn activist judges making decisions that don’t belong to them. This is an issue to be decided by congress and the military, not wingnut judges. Wake up congress, you are becoming more and more irrevelvant as time goes by.

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  • rmsuperglide
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 4:21pm

    Wolf in the hen house! Would the goverment have a female shower with a male sexual deviant? Then why have a male shower with a male sexual deviant? Lets be honest,A GAY PERSON IS A SEXUAL DEVIANT!!!!!!!

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  • watcherinfl
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:44pm

    walkwithme1966
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:18pm
    “I am so sorry but this is the stupidest post I have ever read. Why do you believe that everyone needs to be segregated? That is just ridiculous “—————————It’s called Self Respect, Moral Values, Social Ettiquette, etc. You may not care that you are showering with men that may find you sexually attractive or women, but the majority of the American Public would be VERY uncomfortable.

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    • watcherinfl
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 4:52pm

      Also, you must not be married, because I don’t know any married couple that would be happy with their husband or wife showering and sleeping in the same quarters with other males and females.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 2:21am

      Do you know any gay people – is there anyone in your family or circle of friends who are gay?

      http://wp.me/pYLB7-ec

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  • Capn Teach
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:35pm

    in the extremely unlikely event that this moronic ruling is applied, the current active duty personnel should be polled as to their agreement … those that disagree with the policy should be allowed to leave immediately with full pay for a six-month transition to civilian life, or retire with full benefits if within retirement range … when the 80 – 95% of the military that are normal decide to leave the 5 – 20% that are abnormal to do the job, what will the leftists do then to defend this nation?

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  • Waiting4George
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:16pm

    Let’s see, Gates quoted that Obama’s choice for Gen. Jones replacement would be a “disaster”…and, now, DADT should not be decided by activist judge who Obama supports. Is Gates ready to walk..and talk,hopefully?

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  • Awakenow
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:53pm

    Our next project should be to figure out hoe to impeach judges at all levels of the juduciary as rulings like this are at the very least unconstitutional and border on treasonus.

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    • Awakenow
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:12pm

      Our next project should be to figure out how to impeach judges at all levels of the juduciary as rulings like this are at the very least unconstitutional and border on treasonus.

      Man can i type or what?

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  • OreSota
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:24pm

    Word press Error > You must be logged in to leave a comment. Hhhmmm, at the top of the page it says I am logged in.

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  • Tony Nagy
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:52pm

    I must admit, I’m not familiar with what this is?…. I’m trying to get jist, by reading as much as I can to understand what this ‘Dont tell dont ask’ is. When I understand it completely, I’ll give my 2 cents worth. Is it to protect gays? or to protect hetro’s? or both? I personally am quite uncomfortable talking about gays, call me homophobic then fine. I’d like to hear a service(military’s) person/s view, someone who’s in the middle of this mess, to understand how they feel, that would bring me closer to taking a stand. One thing I will say is, I don‘t understand how gays can have ’balls’ and like other men?…. is‘nt testosterone what makes a man go after the ’kitty cat’… I’m glad my balls are sending the right signal! Thank-you Lord!

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  • WISEPENNY
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:52pm

    I’m with Gates and HIPPONIPS. Virginia Phillips has about as much jurisdiction, according to the Constitution of the United States, as Judge Judy. The whole preceding was a wast of time. The Banana Republic mentality that exists and is attempting to be validated within the extreme leftist judiciary is frightening. It’s time to drastically return to “Constitution Only” principles and hopefully without another Civil/Revolutionary War. Vote, people, VOTE!!!

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  • RobR
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:50pm

    The imposter in our White House has spoken about Caimbridge police officers being stupid , mosque OK with me , Glenn Beck , FOX NEWS , TEA PARTY , Chamber of Commerce , all really NON OF HIS F#CKING BUSINESS.

    Some douchebag , left wingnut , activist , probably gay judge meddles in the affairs of our Federal Government and U.S. military and this lying SACK O SH$T keeps silent.

    He must be removed from office for crimes against the State. He apparently hates America on par with his muslim friends……..make no mistake , they are his friends.

    At least they come right out and admit their desire to see America crash & burn…..our , so called , president is too big of a ***** to admit he feels the same.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 2:13am

      Exactly what “crimes against the state” has he done? He can’t be removed from office until the next presidential election – can’t be impreached, he hasn’t done an impreachable offense. http://wp.me/pYLB7-ec

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  • DagneyT
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:35pm

    “f the government does appeal, that would put the Obama administration in the position of continuing to defend a law it opposes.”

    The DOJ will not go after it. This just another route to avoid controversy. Look at BO’s voting record. He avoids like a plague anything that could be construed as controversial!

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  • brooksjk
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:28pm

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    Check out my blog for proof that Democrats are betting on the voters’ stupidity!

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  • Kinnison
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:26pm

    Make no mistake, active duty military personnel will “vote” on whether or not openly gay people should serve in the military. We have an all-volunteer military, many of whom are conservative and actively religious. They will simply not reenlist, leaving the Services prior to completing their careers and depriving the Services of experienced, highly-trained senior NCOs and officers. And their children, the 18 and 19 year-olds we need at entry level to fight our wars, will not enlist initially either. The military services are currently struggling to make the all-volunteer military work, and reassigning people like artillerymen and tankers to infantry duties to provide enough “shooters”. Using the military services as a social experiment is not a good idea in the midst of two wars.

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    • Gay Bee
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:35pm

      Wow KINNISON, so straight soldiers are only fighting and dying to protect the life/liberty/pursuit of happiness and freedoms afforded to straight people? I never knew…

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 4:13pm

      No gay, that’s not what he said. I have had gay women come on to me before and it made me very uncomfortable. In the military it is impossible to get away from someone who you are comfortable around. ‘Straight’ people generally are grossed out by the idea of having gay relations.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 2:19am

      @UNTAMEABLE KATE – if you were sexually harassed by someone in the military – there are codes of conduct that cover that – if you felt uncomfortable because someone actually made advances to you, you should have followed the chain of command about that! http://wp.me/pYLB7-ec

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 11:01am

      I agree- and that is as it should be. Homosexuals ought not be allowed to serve openly in the military.
      That there are homosexuals now serving is not debated. But the policy ought remain homosexual
      behavior is NOT compatible with military service.If they will not obey the law as it now stands–Why
      should we believe they can serve honorably if th elaw is changed.Sometimes force is necessary to
      enforce the written law.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:21pm

    we know active [straight] soldiers who say they do not want anyone’s homosexuality openly flaunted around them, as well as the other hand is, if all the gays are out in the open, the straight solders will know whose HIV-blood not to get on them if the gays are wounded.

    all in all, our straight soldiers said, the gays being openly gay in the military would be a huge discomfort, disruption and distraction to the rest of the Service. the gays also going into our VOLUNTEER military was knowingly going in there to break the rules and if you’re doing that you are not part of the TEAM.

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    • Gay Bee
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:31pm

      Let me get this straight- pardon the pun- BURNTHILLS. So…according to your “research,” 1) someone saying “I’m gay“ means they are ”flaunting” their homosexuality and 2) all gay people are HIV-positive and 3) gay soldiers serving in silence broke the law when they entered the military. Do I have that right? Naive does not even begin to describe you; how unfortunate.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:47pm

      Add your comments

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  • RobertCA
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:17pm

    I’m sure that the judge knew this was not gonna go anywhere with his court order , I’m really wondering what is he trying to achieve by this or is Nazi Botox Pelosi behind all this .

    Robert .

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  • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:15pm

    I’m a supporter of DADT. I think gay people can love this country as much or more than anybody else and if they feel compelled to serve and defend it then they absolutely should. That being said, the military doesn’t have this policy because they “hate gay people”. The military has a job to kill people and break things. That is it. If your issues, no matter what, interfere with that mission then there is no place for it in the military. You don’t have the freedoms of a citizen while in service. You must abide by the UCMJ. It is there to read BEFORE you enlist. If you don‘t agree to those rules then don’t enlist. Those rules are put into place to ensure that we have the best fighting force on the planet. You can be black, white, green or blue. You can be a man or a woman. You can be straight or gay. It doesn’t matter. What DOES matter is your conduct while in service and strict adherance to the UCMJ and the chain of command. Period. End of Story.

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  • SnapTie
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:13pm

    To the progressive liberals this gives new meaning to “Drill Sargent”

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  • HippoNips
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:05pm

    The title is not just Gates opinion. The Federal court ruling has no bearing on the military whatsoever,
    Never has never will. Only Congress can alter Military policy
    This Judges ruling is erroneous even if it had power of the policy, since it as based on freedom of speech…which is not somethig you have in the military at all.

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  • joetrain
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:05pm

    It’s a liberal judge, their sense of right and wrong revolves around their own opinion, not any moral authority like God or a Constitution. Therefore they are always right in thier mind, no matter how wrong they are. How else could you claim homosexuality is natural.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:22pm

      oh yaah – its a liberal judge – its alll the liberals fault – actually its a liberal plot to bring down our military, that exactly what liberal’s do in their spare time – we set around and think of how to bring down the military and our government while we are reading Rules for Radicals. You know, every other country has gays in their military including Israel and it doesn’t seem to break their military down. http://wp.me/pYLB7-ec

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    • pmjme
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 10:42pm

      @…1966 I’m sure your post was rhetorical but… quite honestly I don’t think liberals sit around doing anything but thinking of themselves day and night. Time and again they have shown their colors by either ignoring or trivializing consequences of behavior or events that do not fall directly in line with their immediate gratification or agenda. This is just another example.

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  • DrJohn
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 12:58pm

    Many people feel both congress and the courts have become corrupt. Congress is not listening to the people and the courts are not following the constitution. So what difference does it really make who decides what?

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  • Polwatcher
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 12:58pm

    Our military cannot be used for some kind of social experiment. We depend on our great soldiers for our survival. There are very practical reason why it is imprudent to have gays and hetero’s mixed in a place where there are communal baths, communal sleeping quarters, and communal everything. The only way to make it work would be to segregate personal quarters of hetero men, hetero women (as they now do), gay men, and gay women. Anything else would guarantee mahem in the military.

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    • rashjoka
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:09pm

      Agree…living quarters/bathrooms are a big concern. Gay man and straight man living in the same barracks using the same shower is like a straight man and straight woman sharing but we know that won’t be allowed so neither should this. There will be quite a cost involved to ensure privacy for all.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:18pm

      I am so sorry but this is the stupidest post I have ever read. Why do you believe that everyone needs to be segregated? That is just ridiculous – there is absolutely no reason to have males segregated or females? What do you think gays are going to do – attack the straight members at night or in the showers? Gees – how really ignorant can a group of people be? I am sorry but you are a very uninformed person and perhaps you should just not comment on something you know nothing about.

      http://wp.me/pYLB7-ec

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    • Nvrforget
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:43pm

      Also, there are gay people serving in the military as I write this and have been for decades. If they behave incorrectly, they’re out. As long as their conduct is correct, they stay. Same rules for everyone. DADT doesn’t prevent gays from serving, it just prevents them from telling. And lo and behold, America is still here, despite “them gays” serving. How utterly surprising.

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    • M31Sailor
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:12pm

      Walk

      Why the hate?
      Sailor

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:27pm

      To walkwithme1966,

      POLWATCHER uses perfectly good logic, and a good amount of common sense. Maybe you should read what they wrote one more time.

      PatriotShops.com

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 5:46am

      Mama and the kids are not going to appreciate papa taking a shower with another woman any more than a known gay man. That is why the military segregates different sexes. In case some people can’t understand, it’s really as simple as that unless someone wants to completely change the makeup of our military.

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    • Nostraquedeo
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 3:19pm

      This is only the first step. Next it we will not be allowed to say we disagree with their life style and after that out lifestyle of Christianity will be seen as evil for disagreeing and then Don’t Ask about Christianity Don’t Tell about Christianity then Christianity is a shunned religion. This is the ultimate goal not equality but dominance.

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  • RAISINGCONSERVATIVES
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 12:57pm

    We can not allow the Judicial Branch of government to continue to write laws and trump what the Constitution lays out as the responisbility of the Congress. The Judicial Branch is to uphold the law not make new laws that they deem appropiate for their own agenda. How does a judge in California get off “ordering the Pentagon” to do anything?

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    • M31Sailor
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:11pm

      Lets have the recruiters do what this judge wants
      ASK the recruit if he/she are gay and TELL the recruit that they aren’t eligible if their a reply is yes
      Sailor

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  • Awakenow
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 12:55pm

    So much for the legislature wrighting the laws and the courts interpreting it. This decision at a time of war and a review of the current policy, aren’t judges supposed to have a modicum of common sense?

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    • NoName22
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:37pm

      If DADT is overturned, doesn’t that just mean the military can ask again? So basically, gays still won’t be able to serve openly.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 10:53am

      They are -but in Judge Phillips we see–as in Obamas Justice Kagin the Communist dialectic for change
      usurping in the public actions of Judges their sworn Oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.The politics of the militant homosexual activist seems to override sense and sensibility.

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  • Freelancer
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 12:55pm

    The military is NOT a democracy you dolts! There are a number of rights afforded by the Constitution that DO NOT apply to service members. If they ALL applied, the chain of command and it’s functionality would no longer exist.

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    • jzs
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:58pm

      Dang right! The decision should be made at the top of the military command: the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Secretary of Defence and the Commander in Chief. Of course they are all in favor of repealing DADT. Maybe we should ask Colin Powel. Oh wait, he’s a liberal too.

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    • ironcowboy
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:43pm

      DADT in comparison… a 20 year combat vets prospective:

      In essence this is like the federal government demanding that women’s prisons and men’s prisons be merged (AND) specifically female prisoners MUST bunk with male rapists, BECAUSE failure to bunk female prisoners with male rapists is a violation of the rapists equal rights and liberties.

      Under federal guide lines a work place cannot be “hostile or sexually charged, or a sexually intimidating climate” However, in the military I often have to bunk with people of the same sex. The problem is that there is no substantive difference in the government mandating that I bunk with a female that is lusting after me, or if they demand that I bunk with a male that is lusting after me; BOTH situations produce the same sexually oppressive atmosphere, and reduce my productivity and concentration when in the battle environment.

      AND that is where the problem lies… you can’t house each soldier in a different room on a battle field, the men bunk with men… and women bunk with women. Will elimination of DADT require lesbian women to be housed separate from straight women, and gay men to be housed separate from strait men. OR OR OR It will require that all men and women be forced to room together.

      It is unlawful to require a person as a condition of employment to voluntarily subject themselves to an atmosphere where they are expressly exposed to sexual harassment to the nature and degree that one would be offended or affected. Military service is so unique, and the lines of trust so important, that creating a situation where a straight troop is forced to reside with a gay troop who lusts after him or is sexually attracted to him (And) where he can not escape from the abuse is just like forcing the female prisoner to bunk with the violent rapist in federal penitentiary. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS, and WILL THIS INCREASE MILITARY BATTLE EFFICIENCY! I sincerely don’t think it will make the military better or more efficient. What is the ultimate good of being “equal” if the nation is overrun in an attack by a foreign nation in the process?

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    • Gay Bee
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:26pm

      IRONCOWBOY, thank you for your service. I find it interesting that your analogy for this situation involves prisons and rape. Also, newsflash…gay people do not “lust” after straight people. Why do straight people think that gays want them? By definition, it doesn’t work that way. We co-mingle amongst you all day every day and somehow manage to keep our hands to ourselves. While you make some valid points, others fall short.

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    • pmjme
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 10:16pm

      @IRONCOWBOY Thank you for your service. I 100% agree with your point of view and hope that we will soon elect people to the highest offices in the country who will do what they have promise for years: stop pandering to special interest groups!

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on October 15, 2010 at 10:49am

      Congress–not the Courts makes policy governing our Military.The WEAKEST link in the Military Chain
      of Command is a man who clearly i snot a natural born citizen therefore not qualified to the Office under the Constitution he swore to support. He admits he is no expert -has Never spent even a week in basic Training does not understand the Military–nor homosexual behavior but insists he will change law that has stood since the Articles of War were drafted by a Moral and Religious Congress in 1775.My advise to those in uniform if confronted by nonconsensual sexual assault -use whatever force
      necessary to defend your right-and let command punishment deal with the MCM.

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  • EqualJustice
    Posted on October 13, 2010 at 12:53pm

    How about letting ALL members of the MILITARY decide their own policy? Then if you don’t like the policies, don’t join. It IS a VOLUNTEER army. Why not ASK the members how to deal with this?

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:24pm

      You are absolutely right, let the people who have to live and die side by side decide, not people who aren’t anywhere near the situation. I personally still don’t care nor do I want to know if you are gay.

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    • CJNA
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 1:47pm

      We in the military WERE asked about this. There have been numerous official surveys and Emails concerning DADT. I have not heard much talk about DADT, either good or bad, around base. It is going to be repealed eventually, no matter what our opinion is.

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    • snowleopard3200
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 2:40pm

      I find it quite interesting that the progressives of the Obama administration and of Congress are disagreeing with the ruling of an activist judge. Is it that the administration is sore that they were not able to claim credit for it? Or that the judge slapped them across the face with this decision?

      Either way, it is the Congress and the President whom have established the proper review processes and should not come down to an activist judge MAKING THE LAW!!!

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 3:23pm

      The military is not allowed to make its own law. And there is some really darned good reasons why our forefathers limited their power. To prove how well our system has worked, when was the last time you heard of a military coup in the USA?

      Secretary Gates is correct on this one. This was NOT this Judges place to make law.

      PatriotShops.com

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    • jzs
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 4:24pm

      The judge – one appointed by Bush – didn’t make any law, he struck down a law as unconstitutional. That’s different.

      The judge’s responsibility under the Constitution of the United States was review the law and determine if it was Constitutional. He did. That‘ the role the Forefather’s gave to the judicial branch in the Constitution. The ruling can be appealed to the 9th circuit.

      Do none of you liberals believe in the Constitution anymore?

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    • sofaking obvious
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 6:40pm

      Revoking DADT will open the door for an onslaught of problems. Claims of bias, harassment and discrimination law suits will more than double. Everyday comments and commands will now be misinterpreted as favoritism or outright homophobia.

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on October 13, 2010 at 10:34pm

      DADT sounds like a vaccine!

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    • Nostraquedeo
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 10:52am

      Let’s force everyone into a situation where sex & strangers are a part of everyone’s sleeping arrangements & bathroom experiences. That is the result. I wouldn’t want to have to bunk with or shower in front of someone who “I KNOW” get’s off on seeing the body of someone of my sex. Normally people don’t have to worry about it because the ones around you are not the object of sexual desires.

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    • ClockKing
      Posted on October 14, 2010 at 2:43pm

      JZS – total bs. The judge has no power over the military. None. Zip. Nada. They’re making crap up as they go along. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. And its time to stop listening to these ghouls in black robes who think that they are ABOVE the law.

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