Gay Marriage Ceremony on Louisiana Military Base Sparks Uproar
- Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:39am by
Billy Hallowell
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The continued debate over homosexuality in the military is never ceasing, but a recent matrimonial ceremony held at Fork Polk, an army base in Louisiana, is sparking an intensified level of controversy.
Fox News’ Todd Starnes has more about the lesbian nuptials that are creating an intense stir among politicians and traditional marriage advocates:
The ceremony was conducted about three weeks ago by a chaplain for the Disciples of Christ, according to Ron Crews, executive director for the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty.
“It was kept quiet,” Crews told Fox News Radio. He said the service was conducted in the military chapel, under the authorization of the chaplain’s denomination.
So if the same-sex ceremony was approved by the military – why the outrage?
“It raises the issue that Louisiana is a state that has a clear definition of marriage,” Crews said. “By allowing this on military installations, this means that chaplains in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq could conduct same sex ceremonies like this. How will this look to our coalition partners who do not approve of same sex unions?”
Last September, The Blaze covered the Pentagon’s decision to allow gay marriages by military chaplains both inside and outside of chapels. While chaplains are not required to marry same-sex couples, the new regulations opened up the right for such actions to take place, should faith leaders so choose. Still, despite this proclamation, conservative leaders are infuriated by the decision to allow these weddings to take place.
“The liberal social experiment with our military continues,” Rep. John Fleming (R-LA) said in an interview with Fox News Radio. “A same-sex marriage-like ceremony should not have occurred at Fort Polk, especially since the people of Louisiana have made it abundantly clear that our state does not recognize same-sex marriages or civil unions.”
Others, like Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), who created legislation that would ban gay marriages on military bases, agree.
“It’s outrageous and illegal,” Atkin said. “This appears to be a case where political agenda has trumped the rule of law, which is absolutely unacceptable.”
Fox News continues:
Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-KS) accused the Dept. of Defense of lying to the American people.
“This happened despite last year’s assurances from the Department of Defense that state law recognized only traditional marriage would be respected and upheld,” Huelskamp said in a statement. “They clearly lied.”
Fleming said the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” has made incidents “like this inevitable.”
“My frustration is compounded by the fact that a social agenda, which has nothing to do with military readiness or our national defense, is being imposed on our men and women in uniform,” Fleming said. “This appears to be a promotion of an agenda utilizing military facilities. We don’t envision the purpose of the military to be a test tube for social changes in this country.”
While Crews’ bill has been approved by the House, it has not yet been taken up by the Senate. He believes that passing the ban is the only way to ensure that bases do not become “sex orientation neutral.” The main thrust of the debate seems to center upon Louisiana’s overall aversion to same-sex marriage — something that critics have cited in the outrage over the marriage ceremony.
Read more about the dilemma over at Fox News.
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Comments (258)
RightPolitically
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:29amHard left gays are MILITANT ACTIVISTS!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:48am“By allowing this on military installations, this means that chaplains in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq could conduct same sex ceremonies like this. How will this look to our coalition partners who do not approve of same sex unions?”
Gay activists can stand alone. I am not taking a bullet for them.
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 1:16pmhahahahahahha..good one TSUNAMI-22. ENEMA-CENOM & his fellow ilk trolls are just that, hahahahahahahhahahah…
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:00pmIn Battle… What would you die for… If you do not respect your Commander?
Report Post »DisgustedinCT
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:16amFire in the hole is going to take on a whole new meaning now.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:50amThey have a worm in their rectum. Quick have them dewormed.
Report Post »jc78
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:11amI don’t understand this story at all. Based on what I read this marriage wasn’t a legally binding event. Louisiana nor any other state are required to recognize this marriage. The federal government isn’t required to recognize the marriage. Those expressing outrage are worried what some our Middle East allies might think, but we do all sorts of things that run counter to our Middle East allies. For instance, we give women in our military serving in the Middle East freedoms that the women of these countries do not enjoy. Shall our military crack down on women’s rights to appease our Middle East allies? Of course not.
It was a private ceremony held in a church and the church leaders had no problem with it. This bill in Congress to ban such ceremonies on a military base seems more t me an attack on religious liberty than anything else. For all the demands made by conservatives for religious liberty, they only seem to support religious liberty if the religion being practiced only agrees with their religious beliefs.
I look forward to the Supreme Court striking down DOMA as unconstitutional (which it is). As a real conservative I don’t just pay lip service to supporting the Constitution and Constitutionally protected liberties. I actually support the Constitution.
BTW, the ban on gays in the military didn’t become explicit until Woodrow Wilson. It was FDR who first implemented policies to actively seek out gays serving in the military.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:15amjc78
a gay Lieutenant was kicked out, when it was discovered that he made a move on a private. That was under George Washington, during the revolutionary war.
Barron Von Steuben wrote out drill and ceremony manual (the blue book) for our soldiers in the revolutionary war. He was also gay. he was also typical for a gay male. He left Prussia, when they ran him out. He raped two young boys that were under his authority at a military school. Gay men raping young boys is common in cultures that have allowed homosexuality.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:21amJC,
This article is to raise the dander of the Blaze bigots like Ranger Dan. This is a none story, not even a mole hill, but an ant hill that the Christian Taleban are turning a mountian, because two people dared to to have a ceremony celebrating their committed relationship.
Report Post »eternalwolf777
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:35amEncinom, at least we’re educated and can spell which is more than I can say for you.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:49am@JC78
Report Post »Question;
If the Citizens of a State and or Country don’t in your mind have the Right to establish the Qualifications for who does or does not qualify for a marriage License …Who should?
encinom
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:51ameternalwolf777
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:35am
Encinom, at least we’re educated and can spell which is more than I can say for you.
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Can’t argue facts or the truth, point out spelling mistakes.
There is no reason, absent the Christian book of fairy tales, to deny these American Citizens their equal rights.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:04am@encinom:
Report Post »“There is no reason, absent the Christian book of fairy tales, to deny these American Citizens their equal rights”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~You are Entitled to your opinion as well as the rest of the Citizens in your community, that have established criteria for who qualifies for a marriage license. That what this Tempest in a Tea pot is all about right? Getting a marriage license…. Right?
mtcountrygrl
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:41amI too, have no problem with gays having a ceremony. I have no problem with “religious” leaders preforming it (if they are not forced to). But legal recognition of gay marriage as the equivalent to regular marriage is full of problems. Here is why…to say that a man marrying a man is the legal equivalent of a man marrying a woman, is to say in the eyes of the law men and women are the same. Think on that for a moment. Women have lots of legal protections that men do not because (this will be a shocker for liberals) WE ARE DIFFERENT! The draft for instance. Maternity leave protections. There are tons more. Think of the law suits. The one that comes to mind right now is the man who wanted to work at Hooters, it was thrown out because (for obvious reasons) Hooters only hires women as waitresses. Now if the law says there is no legal difference between a man and a woman…There are other implications as well, under current anti-discrimination laws religious people and organizations would be FORCED to violate their beliefs and recognize these “marriages”. Don’t believe me, take a good look at the health care mandates and the Catholic church right now. This is why Christians and other people of conscience have a problem with legally accepting gay marriage. And the DOM act is constitutional, and if you would like I can explain that one to you as well.
Report Post »dennisS
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:02pmFirst, tell me what section of the Constitution the DOMA violates. Two, homosexuals serving openly in the military is a privacy issue. Why should a man or woman have to live in close proximity (bathrooms, showers, sleeping arrangements) with those who are sexually attracted to them? We separate men and women in our society for the reason of privacy. We do not make men and women shower together, use the same bathrooms, sleep together in the military so why should we subject normal men and women to having to do these same things with perverted individuals who are sexually attracted to the same sex? You people who support these things have either not thought them through to their proper conclusion or are just ignorant of the way the military operates. Invoking Wilson or FDR is ridiculous, homosexuals have not been allowed in the military until the last couple decades. Forty years ago you could not work for the government if you were homosexual or a communist. Now they actively seek both. How the mighty has fallen!
Report Post »kansas hawks 3
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:18pmJust where in our Constitution does it say any thing about q_ee rs in the military or any other place being protected or givin special rights? I must have a different Constitution than you..
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:22pmdennisS
Report Post »Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:02pm
First, tell me what section of the Constitution the DOMA violates.
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Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution and the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause.
dennisS
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:50pmEnicom, obviously you have not read what you just quoted. Read the Constitution first before you run your mouth.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:54pmGays point to Barron Von Steuben as why we need gays in the military & why they are proud of gays in the military.
They never point out that he raped boys a la Sandusky.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 1:17pm@Encino
Report Post »If you allowed one man to marry a man and then another not to, that would be an equal protection violation. But to make it marriage is one man and one woman as the law does not discriminate. That is the law of the land. For instance, to say one person can commit murder and another goes to jail, that violates equal protection. But to say murder is illegal for all, is equal protection. See the difference.
mtcountrygrl
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 1:24pm@Encinom
Report Post »For instance, states that did not allow interracial marriage got into trouble because to say that a white man could marry a white woman, but a black man could not violates equal protection. But no where can a man marry a man, and another is not allowed to. This does not violate equal protection.
paperpushermj
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 1:31pmdennisS
Report Post »Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:02pm
First, tell me what section of the Constitution the DOMA violates.
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Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution and the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause.
.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.. So does prohibiting family members from acquiring a marriage license also fall off to the road side or how about the requirement that marriage be limited to just two? Who or what should be required to obtain a marriage license in your book?
Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:24pm@encinom:
“There is no reason, absent the Christian book of fairy tales, to deny these American Citizens their equal rights”
Homosexuality is a mental disorder. It is no more a right than bestiality.
And those who engage in unnatural perverted acts all fall under the same category.
You want people to believe it is aright…that’s why all of you flock to every homosexual article….too stupid to know you’re not going to fool anybody.
Report Post »jc78
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:53pmRanger
You are right about Washington discharging a soldier for a homosexual related act. But the point is that it wasn’t a specified military rule. Homosexual acts (back them referred to as “sodomy”) were state laws and the Army, which Washington was Commander-in-Chief, used state laws as a guide for moral and ethical behavior. David Barton, in a poorly argued post, provides no evidence that the military rules or rules passed by the Continental Congress every specified sodomy as a crime or unethical behavior.
http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=101
That means Barton had to indirectly link homosexuality to the moral code of the day. In other words, there was no explicit military ban on homosexuality in the military during Washington’s day. The rules were based on a moral code that not only strongly condemned sodomy or the “crime not fit to be name” (what is this, Harry Potter?) but permitted slavery. Think about it. If we were to apply today‘s standards of morality to the code mentioned in Barton’s piece George Washington would have been unfit to serve in the military because of his owning of slaves.
The fact is that standards of morality have changed over the years. We now condemn slavery (which does harm to other people) and are becoming more accepting of people who are gay (who harm no one by their sexual orientation). Using unsubstantiated rumors of Von Steuben and baseless stereotyping about gay men raping young boys shows how weak yo
Report Post »jc78
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:58pmMy last post was cut off. The last paragraph is:
The fact is that standards of morality have changed over the years. We now condemn slavery (which does harm to other people) and are becoming more accepting of people who are gay (who harm no one by their sexual orientation). Using unsubstantiated rumors of Von Steuben and baseless stereotyping about gay men raping young boys shows how weak your argument is.
Report Post »jc78
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:16pmencinom
You are right. This is a non-story. I actually like Glenn Beck. He adopted for The Blaze “the truth lives here” and that they will just report the facts and let the chips fall where they may. But that isn’t the case with this specific issue. The Blaze staff is highly selective in the stories they choose and highly biased in how they present the stories when it comes to LGBT issues.
I see very few articles detailing how people in the name of Christianity do physical harm to people for no other reason than the fact that they are gay. Or how Christians issue death threats to gay activists. And it isn’t as if there is a shortage of those stories. They are everywhere. I never saw an article on The Blaze covering the bomb threat at the Human Rights Campaign headquarters. Billy Hallowell posted no story that I know of about that YouTube video that recently went viral about a gay man in California who said he was threatened with physical violence if he showed up to his boyfriend’s (who died in an accident) funeral in Indiana. And oh yeah, it was Bible thumping Christians who did the threatening. I don’t know what Jesus would have done, but I do know he wouldn’t threaten to beat someone up for showing up at a funeral for someone he cared about.
Report Post »jc78
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:35pmpaper
I favor separation of marriage and state. Private relationships between consenting adults that don‘t violate people’s rights are none of the government’s business. The rights and privileges that are associated with civil marriage should be handled through private contracts.
dennisS
DOMA violated the 14th Amendment. The government has no right to elevate one class of citizens over another class of citizens. All people are equal under the law and the law must apply equally to all people at all times.
The issue of privacy when using bathrooms and taking showers is universal regardless of sex. But in communal situations people can respect each other. When I was in college in the late 1990s the guys, when in a girls hallway would use the girls rest room and the girls, when it a guys hallway would guys the guys’ bathroom. Nobody had problems with it and everybody respected each others privacy.
Just because you hold an antiquated and prudish concept of privacy doesn’t mean society is evolving beyond those beliefs. And if you don’t want to change your views that is fine. Don’t subject yourself to situations that might make you uncomfortable. Just don’t force everyone else to behave the way you want them to behave. Personally, if a gay guy hit on me, I would thank him for the compliment but tell him that I am straight.
Mentioning Wilson and FDR is relevant since without their policies the military’s rules and regs would have evolved on their own withou
Report Post »jc78
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:38pmMy posts keep getting cut off even though I am within the 1500 character limit. My last paragraph was:
Mentioning Wilson and FDR is relevant since without their policies the military’s rules and regs would have evolved on their own without policies.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 1:59am@JC78
Report Post »We agree that Government needs to remove itself from this situation. But that is using wishful thinking to address the problem at hand. Do you agree a community has the right to establish what conditions would be necessary in order to qualify for a marriage license?
mtfunk
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:04amLaws on military bases do not trump state and federal law. Military bases may have stricter laws then where they are located but they do not have more lenient laws. Considering it was a federal base and the federal law is no gay marriage, then those powers that be have broken the law. Even the pentagon is wrong in allowing gay marriage, but the DOJ is way left and is not giving this issue the time of day.
Report Post »Principlex
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:03amA rational person chooses his action according to his purpose. This holds from a single individual to an organization for a purpose. I’m not bothered by their wanting to be married. I’m bothered by the US Military no longer knowing its purpose and the kinds of actions that support its purpose. A major way we are losing our country and our way is that anything goes. Nothing means anything any longer.
It’s the erosion of purpose, what we stand for, that must be restored – in everything that we do.
Report Post »Common Sense 24
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:08amGood post.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 5:33pmIn time of peace, which is what we were in for most of my lifetime and hopefully will see again soon, the purpose of the military is to prevent the unemployment rates among young high school graduates and minorities from getting so high that the people panic and demand real economic reform.
Report Post »Southernguy
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:59amBein’ right next door in Mississippi, I sure hope we aint next. I‘m really shocked that it’s finally come to this, down here in the South.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:52amThese people used to bother me with the same sex marriage stuff until I started thinking what does my Father God think about it ? Since He instituted marriage for man and woman only , everything else is only make believe . These people can walk the isle ,say we do , slide the ring on the finger , have papers , but marriage is only legal for man and woman .
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:05am“but marriage is only legal for man and woman .”
Legal. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
In the US military, yes, gays can be legally wed by military chaplains. As a Christian I take a different view: gays can marry or not as they see fit. It doesn‘t bother me because I’m certainly not about to marry a man – it’s against my faith. But a lot of people believe different things than I do… and if it doesn’t affect me, who cares?
Report Post »Rajabear1
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:42amlocked-your line of thinking is wrong. If you don’t open your eyes, your faith will be stripped right from you. Just like the progressives have managed to do with creationism, sexual education and homosexuality, your way of thinking will allow them to be able to undermine your beliefs and teachings to your own kids. Once they have the foot in the door that it is ‘legal’ and force us to accept it or else be nailed with bigotry, they then turn to the indoctrination centers (schools, if you will) and make it mandatory to then teach our children it is normal and natural. And if by some chance you feel a moral obligation to try and counterbalance that at home with the truth, that it is a sin and absolutely not natural and God doesn’t recognize the marriage, you then are abusing your child and teaching them to be a bigot in the eyes of the state. Don’t believe me? Do some research and find out what your rights are in many school districts around the country for classes you would want to opt out on and what the policies are. Shoot, look how churches have curbed their teachings for fear of ‘hate speech’ label. Maybe that’s the type of church you attend which is why you see it as no big deal–They’re too afraid to teach you the truth.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:03am@Raja
“If you don’t open your eyes, your faith will be stripped right from you.”
If my faith was to be stripped because of what other people think, it wouldn’t be much of a faith in the first place, right? Goodness knows that the US government budybodies can do their worst and my faith will survive intact. I’ll teach my kids what the Bible taught me: to love everyone and treat them all with respect, as humans. Gay, straight, married, divorced: doesn’t matter.
Did your church teach you something different? I have always said that others’ beliefs and actions will be on their own heads. In the end we will all be judged and it’s on us to see to our own souls.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:47amWrong!
It affects us all! It affects the way schools now will push the agenda through school text books like in California which just passed and mandated Gay historical accomplishments to make everyone FEEL included. Believe it or not, but young girls are most susceptible to gender related assignments. Saying to a young girl that being attracted to the same sex is OK and normal is confusing when they might just as well be fine with a man. History shows that every time a society went homosexual in its practice and beliefs, those societies collapsed or were destroyed.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:14am@Chiefgeorge
” Saying to a young girl that being attracted to the same sex is OK and normal is confusing when they might just as well be fine with a man.”
I’m still not seeing the issue. Do you tell your kids this? No? Then what does it matter?
Seriously now. Kids are influenced by new information, but if you’re saying that a school teaching giving a month to LGBT equality is going to turn them gay, then you have absolutely no idea how sexual orientation works. And if a teacher is having more influence than you, as parents… then frankly, you shouldn’t have had kids, because you’ve been raising them terribly.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:37amLOCKED
“But a lot of people believe different things than I do… and if it doesn’t affect me, who cares?”
Do you realize how ignorant you sound….and hypocritical? Obviously the fact that Christians believe homosexuality is a sin bothers you very much otherwise you wouldn’t devote so much time on here trying to convince people their beliefs are wrong, with your illogical feeble attempts.
Why haven’t you commented about the articles on here involving Muslim hatred of homosexuals? Right now there are more Muslims in this country than homosexuals. Or is it just Christians who don’t share your perverted beliefs that you are upset with?
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:50amLOCKED
” I’ll teach my kids what the Bible taught me: to love everyone and treat them all with respect, as humans. Gay, straight, married, divorced: doesn’t matter”
Children? Obviously adopted. And obviously a situation where they would be propagandized into the homosexual lifestyle to the point where their innocent lives are ruined beyond repair, like other homosexuals.
And, the bible might teach you to respect everybody, but it certainly doesn’t teach you to accept homosexuals living in sin. Your high sounding ethics are nothing more than more homosexual spin to try to get your agenda accepted. You are a perverter of children.
And, the bible?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (NIV).
Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” (NIV)
Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” (NIV)
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:53am@Independent
“Obviously the fact that Christians believe homosexuality is a sin bothers you very much otherwise you wouldn’t devote so much time on here trying to convince people their beliefs are wrong.”
Huh? Where I have done such a thing? I completely agree that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. I don’t think Christians like myself are wrong in believing so. I -DO- think we‘re wrong in expending so much time on a topic that doesn’t affect us personally (unless you’re a gay Christian, Independent?). If gays want to marry and the government allows it, what do I care?
Marriage isn’t a Christian-only ceremony. It‘s not even religious when it comes to the US’s legal definition of it. In the same vein, having a church ceremony and saying you‘re married doesn’t make it legal in the US – there’s a disconnect of the two institutions.
“Why haven’t you commented about the articles on here involving Muslim hatred of homosexuals?”
Likely because any time Farrakhan is mentioned, I roll my eyes and don’t bother clicking the link. I think extremist Muslims who would put gays to death are terrible. I‘m not sure what point you’re trying to prove?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:11pm@Independent
You seem to think I’m gay? While I’m honored at your attempts to flirt with me, it’s getting a bit creepy.
Are you saying you will not treat others as you would like to be treated? I follow the words of Jesus. I suggest you do the same. I can see you obviously hold hatred for homosexuality. I’m assuming you do the same for divorce?
Luke 16:18:
Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.
Mark 10:9-12
9 “What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.” 10 And in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. 11 And he said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery against her; 12 and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.
Leviticus 20:10
If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
John 8:4-5
Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.
I’m just curious, because if you are so against homosexuality, you must as well have the same hatred of the 50% of couples who divorce in this country (for reasons other than infidelity). Do you keep your (adopted) children away from children whose parents are divorced? Or do you teach them to respect and love everyone, as Jesus taught us?
Follow Christ.
Report Post »kansas hawks 3
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:33pm@locked I think you had better go back and read your Bible and ask God what is right and what is wrong. Perhaps you need a new Bible.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 1:03pm@Kansas
“I think you had better go back and read your Bible and ask God what is right and what is wrong. Perhaps you need a new Bible.”
Please, tell me what you think I have wrong. I’d be more than happy to back everything up with Scripture :-)
Report Post »Rajabear1
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 1:56pm@locked-I apologize. I didn’t realize you were too stupid not to understand what I was saying. They will strip the practice of your faith from you. Is that clearer? They are grooming children in many sick ways one of which is to believe that the ‘system’ knows more than your dopey parents and then proceed to push agendas of all kinds on to them and to then disregard and shame parents that might TRY and teach something different at home. Seen it done, bub, sorry your life is so cut off from the real world and your losing you sight.
Report Post »PS-my church hasn’t veered of course like many others have–YET, but I am quite personally aware of the ‘social’ change this has and is happening within many churches. I keep my eyes and ears open and trust the keeping of my soul to no one other than the trinity to insure I don’t become one of the misguided. Easy to deceive a congregation that entrusts you heart and soul. Folks MUST make their faith leaders accountable to the true teachings of their faith and put their trust on God, not man.
Oh, I almost forgot. Grow up. Wordsmithing does not a good debater make.
Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:08pmLocked
“Obviously the fact that Christians believe homosexuality is a sin bothers you very much otherwise you wouldn’t devote so much time on here trying to convince people their beliefs are wrong.”
“Huh? Where I have done such a thing? ”
Everytime there’s an article on homosexuality you come rushing to the forum, defending the perversion as if it were a matter of national security that threatened to erupt at any moment.
You slipped a time or two wherein you mentioned “we” in referring to homosexuals.
But it’s so obvious from your rants in total that you are UNEQUIVOCALLY homosexual nothing else is necessary to point out or offer evidence in order to prove the point. I thought you wanted to have “gay pride?” What kind of pride is it that denies a person is part of a lifestyle that he tries to tout as being acceptable?
You’re a phony, and it’s obvious.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:11pm@Independent
“You slipped a time or two wherein you mentioned “we” in referring to homosexuals.”
Find ONE example of this. I name you a liar, sir (or ma’am). If I have, it’s a mistake – but I‘m sure I have not and you’re just lying. But hey, you say it’s happened: prove it or be shown for what you are.
As I said before: I‘m not sure what point you’re trying to prove?
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:12pmLocked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 1:03pm
@Kansas
“I think you had better go back and read your Bible and ask God what is right and what is wrong. Perhaps you need a new Bible.”
“Please, tell me what you think I have wrong. I’d be more than happy to back everything up with Scripture :-)”
WELL, LET’S SEE IT.
You keep demanding verification from everyone else yet you very rarely give any of your own.
Where is the scripture you say you can provide????????
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:20pm@Raja
“I didn’t realize you were too stupid not to understand what I was saying. They will strip the practice of your faith from you. Is that clearer?”
You know, I’m truly disappointed. Your original reply was one of uncommon courtesy here (compared to, say, folks like Independent, who feel the need to lie to make their points). That you then turned to insults strikes me as regretful. Sorry you felt the need to do so, as I never meant any offense to you.
“Easy to deceive a congregation that entrusts you heart and soul.”
Ah, that might be our difference then. We don’t revere our pastor in my church; it’s not a cult of personality, and few of our congregation think he’s an infallible source. If there’s something we disagree with, we talk about it during Bible study, or the weekly dinners the church puts on. Make sure to keep it civil, friendly, and backed up by Scripture.
“Folks MUST make their faith leaders accountable to the true teachings of their faith and put their trust on God, not man.”
Completely agree. That point has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but I do agree with you here.
“Oh, I almost forgot. Grow up. Wordsmithing does not a good debater make.”
See above. I’m really disappointed that you had to turn to insults instead of keeping it civil. I never insulted you, so I’m not sure why you felt the need to do so. I hope your future responses are different.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:27pm@Independent
“You keep demanding verification from everyone else yet you very rarely give any of your own.
Where is the scripture you say you can provide????????”
What do you think I should back up? That God commanded us to love one another and treat each other with respect? John 13:34-35. My agreement that homosexuality is a sin? If you don’t know Leviticus and Romans by now, you might want to read any topic ever about Christianity and gays. That divorce is adultery, and adultery is punishable by death (same as homosexuality) according to OT law? I quoted the verses to you up above.
Those were the ones that come to mind in a quick scan of what’s been mentioned. What else are you looking for?
Also, I have a faint tickle in the back of mind… Independent4233, aren‘t you an agnostic and don’t follow Christ? Seems odd that you‘re asking for biblical verse when you’re a non-believer. I could be wrong, but let me search.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:29pm@Independent4233
Bam, found it.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/young-child-allegedly-singing-anti-gay-church-hymn-aint-no-homos-gonna-make-it-to-heaven-sparks-national-controversy/
“INDEPENDENT4233
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:46am
I’m agnostic. But you have a lot of gall after spewing your hatred and insults of Christians to claim that people who are merely disgusted with same sex displays and bestiality must accept them without reservation.
Homosexuals are vicious haters.”
Not only pretending to believe the Bible or care about its words, you lied then as you lie now. Please stop trolling and go away.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:39pmLOCKED
“I can see you obviously hold hatred for homosexuality.”
Yes, as nature instilled in me in order to perpetuate my human species, as is inculcated in every living creature. Because I’m instilled with natural instincts, sodomy is repulsive to me.
You’re absolutely correct on that one. But also I’ve grown to despise the very ground you slither on, because of homosexual in-your-face activists like you who pretend they’re for fairness and not the homosexual lifestyle.
And hatred? It comes from those like you. You truly despise Christians, pretending to be one so you won‘t have to answer questions about why you are living in sin and also to be able to pretend you’re for homosexuality, because it’s part of love and tolerance.
Every homosexual that comes on here thinks he’s fooling someone someway, just as Walkabout mentioned above.
You’re a disgusting liar.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:48pmLocked
“I’m just curious, because if you are so against homosexuality, you must as well have the same hatred of the 50% of couples who divorce in this country (for reasons other than infidelity). Do you keep your (adopted) children away from children whose parents are divorced? Or do you teach them to respect and love everyone, as Jesus taught us?”
Here’s an excellent example of what I have referred to many times. You offer what is supposed to be a logical parallel, yet it is so bizarre and out-of-line it’s no more than pure nonsense.
I’m betting you regard yourself as quite the gay cavalier (please excuse the pun) for coming up with what you perceive to be an irrefutable argument proving your point.
Homosexual brains not only have an imbalance of neurotransmitters, every one of them has crossed wires that doesn’t allow for proper firing to make it truly functional. But, then again, that‘s why they’re sick.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:51pm@Independent
“And hatred? It comes from those like you. You truly despise Christians, pretending to be one so you won‘t have to answer questions about why you are living in sin and also to be able to pretend you’re for homosexuality, because it’s part of love and tolerance.”
Odd, as I’m straight, and a Christian, and respond with Biblical verse when asked. Whereas you revert to name-calling, insults, and lie about your religious affiliation.
Love is Christian. Maybe one day you’ll become a believer and leave the hatred behind. Jesus gave us Christians a new commandment, and I follow it. You want to insult Christianity? Go for it – but don‘t try and pretend that you’re anything but a liar. I’ll call you on :-)
“Every homosexual that comes on here thinks he’s fooling someone someway, just as Walkabout mentioned above.”
Know what I find funny about that, actually? Walkabout’s a good sort, but every criticism that was leveled applied to you as well. I’ll explain above.
“You’re a disgusting liar.”
Well, I do fall short. In the course of this conversation though I’ve been nothing but truthful, and you’ve been lying continuously. I don’t claim to be better than every man, but my soul is at ease knowing at least I’m not filled with hatred and lies as you seem to be.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:58pm@Independent4233
“I’m betting you regard yourself as quite the gay cavalier (please excuse the pun) for coming up with what you perceive to be an irrefutable argument proving your point.”
Please, refute it. You asked for Biblical support. I gave it. I’m not sure why a non-believer wants to argue on the basis of the Bible, but -you- agreed to it. Both divorce and gay marriage deal with the subject of marriage, and I agree that according to the Bible gay marriage is not allowed. Neither is divorce. So please tell me why you would not agree.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 3:19pmLOCKED
“Not only pretending to believe the Bible or care about its words, you lied then as you lie now.”
I’ve never claimed to be anything other than agnostic.
Are you so dense you don’t understand that when you carry on about being a Christian and you make comments contrary to that anybody of any faith can point that out?
I’ll cite scripture if it impeaches what YOU claim to believe, pretending you’re a Christian in order to reveal you as a phony.
” Please stop trolling and go away.”
You’d love that, I’m sure, in order to be able to spew your underhanded pretenses without challenge.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 3:32pm@Independent4233
“Are you so dense you don’t understand that when you carry on about being a Christian and you make comments contrary to that anybody of any faith can point that out?
I’ll cite scripture if it impeaches what YOU claim to believe, pretending you’re a Christian in order to reveal you as a phony.”
Great! For the third time, go for it! I look forward to it. Please, quote which comments of mine you’re responding to, so I know what you’re saying. If you want my overarching argument on the matter, it’s this:
-Marriage in the US is secular, and decided by the government. This does not at all impact Christian marriage, which is an entirely different matter. One can be married in a church and not have it be “legal” in the eyes of the US. One can be married civilly and not have it be valid in the eyes of the church.
-Thus, gay marriage has no impact upon us Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin. The US government can’t force churches to marry gays, nor can it force us to marry members of the same sex.
-While I personally believe homosexuality is a sin, I don’t think that means homosexuals are doomed to Hell. No more so than divorcees, as Jesus Himself says divorce except for cases of infidelity is adultery. Like homosexuality, adultery was punishment by death by stoning in the OT. Like homosexuality, it is still a sin in the NT, but not punishable by death.
Go to town, this should be fun!
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 3:40pmLOCKED
“You know, I’m truly disappointed. Your original reply was one of uncommon courtesy here (compared to, say, folks like Independent, who feel the need to lie to make their points). ”
I have not lied about ONE SINGLE THING. I don’t have to the truth is damaging enough to you.
PROVIDE something I said that wasn’t true. Better yet, provide a host of assertions I made that aren’t true, since you say I lie as a matter of policy to make my point.
I’m waiting……..
Indp: “I’m betting you regard yourself as quite the gay cavalier (please excuse the pun) for coming up with what you perceive to be an irrefutable argument proving your point.”
Locked: “Please, refute it. You asked for Biblical support. I gave it.”
You avoided giving me what you claimed was scriptual quotes regarding homosexuality and you know it. It’s just another lie from you, pretending a quote on divorce is the same as one for homosexuality.
Where is your scriptual evidence???????? Why have you ignored my other requests for references?????
You homosexuals underestimate your opponents, and are blinded by your own arrogance.
“I’m not sure why a non-believer wants to argue on the basis of the Bible, but -you- agreed to it. ”
I’ve never claimed to be anything other than agnostic. But if you make false assertions regarding biblical scripture or anything else I can challenge that even if I were a Buddahist.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 4:11pm@Independent4233
“PROVIDE something I said that wasn’t true. Better yet, provide a host of assertions I made that aren’t true, since you say I lie as a matter of policy to make my point.”
Sure! You continually have called me homosexual, and not a Christian. Two lies. You’ve referred to other posters as gay as well, which is unsubstantiated. You’ve asked for Biblical references, which I have given, but you then lied and said I did not. You further lied in the same paragraph by saying I “claim” they are Scripture. If you own a Bible, you can open it to the passages and say they are. Anything ringing a bell?
(Also, in before schoolyard: ‘You’re totally gay for not hating on gay civil marriage like me!’)
“You avoided giving me what you claimed was scriptual quotes regarding homosexuality and you know it.”
Um, I gave Scripture about divorce. Which, as I said, “if you are so against homosexuality, you must as well have the same hatred of the 50% of couples who divorce in this country.” You’ll also note that I referred to passages on homosexuality as also being a sin.
I will admit I made a mistake at the time in thinking you were a Christian because you kept talking about Christianity being under attack by gays. I suppose it was similar to your continued lie is saying I’m gay. Difference is, I didn‘t realize it and stopped calling on your Christian faith as soon as I remembered you’re a non-believer… while you continued to lie.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 4:16pm@Independent4233
“Where is your scriptual evidence???????? Why have you ignored my other requests for references?????”
Whoa, frothing a little bit there? Don’t get so worked up!
Now, calm down: what, specifically, do you want more references to? I asked you before to quote what you wanted addressed. You haven’t done so, so I’ll ask again.
“You homosexuals underestimate your opponents, and are blinded by your own arrogance.”
And another lie…
“I’ve never claimed to be anything other than agnostic. But if you make false assertions regarding biblical scripture or anything else I can challenge that even if I were a Buddahist.”
Great! This is the… second? Third time? You’ve claimed this. Back it up. Tell me what I‘ve said that’s contrary to Scripture.
Also, when you get the chance, find the couple of times you‘ve claimed that I’ve called myself gay. ‘Cause I think you’re still lying.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 4:26pmlocked , I used the word legal only once !!! read my post again , slowly .Now, in Gods’ mind there is only one legal marriage and that is with a man & woman , anything man thinks is foolishness . Have a nice day !!
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 4:40pm@TXJB
“I used the word legal only once !!!”
Sorry, it’s a reference to a famous line from a movie; I was going for humor :-)
“Now, in Gods’ mind there is only one legal marriage and that is with a man & woman , anything man thinks is foolishness .”
This would be our disagreement then. “Legal” nowadays refers to the laws of the land in my mind. Referring to the Old Testament Law would require differentiation. But I see your point and understand it: only monogamous, heterosexual, non-divorced marriage is not considered a sin in God’s view and the Bible. I completely agree.
“Have a nice day !!”
You too, brother!
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:03pmLOCKED
“I think you had better go back and read your Bible and ask God what is right and what is wrong. Perhaps you need a new Bible.”
LOCKED: “Please, tell me what you think I have wrong. I’d be more than happy to back everything up with Scripture :-)”
Obfuscation is your way, pretending as if you were on the up and up all the time and provided everything necessary to support your point about scripture and homosexuality.
You did not. You gave scripture about divorce, pretending it was the same as your promised response to provide scripture for homosexuality.
AS YOU SAID:
“Um, I gave Scripture about divorce. Which, as I said, “if you are so against homosexuality, you must as well have the same hatred of the 50% of couples who divorce in this country.” You’ll also note that I referred to passages on homosexuality as also being a sin.”
Yes, I KNOW that’s what you said, as an evasion. So, hating divorcees isthesame as hating homosexuals, eh?
Great logic there.
But….please…. provide…… scripture, as you bragged about being able to do.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:24pmCan somebody tell me if I’m wrong, because this scripture makes it pretty plain to me that the bible is dead set against homosexuality?
This is what LOCKED keeps refusing to address.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (NIV).
Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” (NIV)
Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” (NIV)
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 8:12am@Independent4233
“Can somebody tell me if I’m wrong, because this scripture makes it pretty plain to me that the bible is dead set against homosexuality?
This is what LOCKED keeps refusing to address.”
Uh… like when I said:
“I completely agree that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. I don’t think Christians like myself are wrong in believing so.”
Or
“My agreement that homosexuality is a sin? If you don’t know Leviticus and Romans by now, you might want to read any topic ever about Christianity and gays.”
Or
“While I personally believe homosexuality is a sin, I don’t think that means homosexuals are doomed to Hell. No more so than divorcees, as Jesus Himself says divorce except for cases of infidelity is adultery. Like homosexuality, adultery was punishment by death by stoning in the OT. Like homosexuality, it is still a sin in the NT, but not punishable by death.”
By the way, you missed Romans, which also condemns homosexuality (and which I addressed before). Now tell me: I’ve said three times (if not more, those were the quickest examples I found) that I consider homosexuality a sin. Why do you keep lying and saying I haven’t? Are you simply not reading?
As you keep skipping over it: homosexuality is a sin. And anyone who divorces and “remarries” is committing adultery. Both are punishable by death in the OT. Both are still sin in the NT. That’s why I compared them. Clear enough?
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 8:36am@Independent4233
“Yes, I KNOW that’s what you said, as an evasion. So, hating divorcees isthesame as hating homosexuals, eh?
Great logic there.”
If you say your basis for hating gays is that it’s a sin, yes. Why would you choose one sin to hate and not another?
It’s likely not relevant for you, as you‘re not a Christian and don’t believe in our concepts of sin, the afterlife, Jesus, or God. But for the 95% of this site’s readers who are Christians, many claim their hatred for homosexuality is because it’s a sin. If that’s the full truth, then it only follows that they’re as against remarriage as they are against gay marriage. If that’s -not- the case, then it must logically follow that their hatred of homosexuality is not due solely to it being a sin, but has other reasons as well. Thus, when someone says “being gay is a sin and that‘s why I’m against it!” they are not telling the truth.
The truth is required by Christ. Hence why I would love for you to become a Christian, so you’ll see that your lying lessens you and will work to turn yourself toward truth :-)
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 12:26pm“If you say your basis for hating gays is that it’s a sin, yes. Why would you choose one sin to hate and not another?”
Because, like all humans, I was born with an innate revulsion for anything or anyone that threatens my survival instinct, which is to perpetuate my species. Adultery has nothing to do with basic human instincts no matter how much you try to manipulate the issue.
And, too, we’re in the midst of a culture war, pitting rabid homosexual activists, filled with hate who want to mainstream sodomy and gain equal acceptance with heterosexuality, and they do it in a way….like you….with obfuscation, hatred, insults, and denigration in an in-your-face, vicious attack which serves only to garner hatred.
You’re not going to gain acceptance. Homosexuals like you cause more hatred against you and your cause than anything anybody could ever reveal about the perversion.
You won’t believe that, because your arrogance…and inability to think in cogent, logical terms…. will not allow it. As a homosexual, what you say and do makes perfect sense to you, and it baffles you why other people don’t agree with your ludicrousness.
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 12:47pm@Independent4233
“Because, like all humans, I was born with an innate revulsion for anything or anyone that threatens my survival instinct, which is to perpetuate my species.”
You’re already off to a bad start. You‘re answering as one who doesn’t believe in sin. You, a non-believer, would not fall into the category of people who hate homosexuality because it is a sin.
“Adultery has nothing to do with basic human instincts no matter how much you try to manipulate the issue.”
Actually, wouldn’t it? More partners = more chances to have kids.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:49amIf you don’t know the extent to which the armed forces has been politicized and had political correctness and sensitivity forced down the throats of our volunteer forces, you are not following the news and/or have no friends or relatives who serve. There is a culture of cowardice and complicity that has seeped into the command structure such that civilian pukes working for the military can end or stunt careers when their feelings are hurt. Hours upon hours of training are devoted to making our citizen soldiers more sensitive to the whims and ways of cultures who despise us or fringe groups and their demands.
Report Post »It sure seems many of the so called commanders want to lead a mass of social workers; being a fighting man or woman is apparently secondary.
Should anyone who has been following the ‘religious’ concerns being addressed by the miliary be shocked by this? Nope. The armed forces are building shrines for pagans so as to please the odd role playing fan who wants to play at Middle Earth, throw on robes and speak in bad rhymes on his or her time off. Hell, the U.S. Army couldn’t even step on a certain major who made it clear on several occasions he was a warrior for Allah ready to die (and kill) for Islam.
This is a natural progression in an age of “feelings”… there is no ‘too far’ for activists and agitators. I‘m surprised service members weren’t forced to attend and applaud… or else.
Jumper
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:46amOkay, let’s get something straight. While I think that this disgusting union should never have taken place, and most certainly not in the Military or on a Military base, that’s still kind of the point, it was on a Military base. While I know that Ft. Polk is located in Louisiana, it is technically, not part of, Louisiana. No Military base is, they are all Federal land, just like National Parks. That’s why you see Federal Law Enforcement in the National Parks, not, for example, State Police. It’s Federal land, and Louisiana has no say so what goes on there. They have no enforcement powers there, except those granted to it by the base Commander or the D.o D., I remember the days when local law enforcement wasn’t allowed on bases without express permission. So while these two can be married while they are on base, the state doesn’t have to recognize the union once they step off base. Which is exactly what I think should happen. Let Louisiana make the statement that they will not recognize these unions and that they do not support them in any way. Can anybody say 10th Amendment?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:53am“While I know that Ft. Polk is located in Louisiana, it is technically, not part of, Louisiana. No Military base is, they are all Federal land”
Bingo. Even if the couple was from LA, if they move back to the state after they get out of the military the state has no requirement to acknowledge their union. It’s much ado about nothing.
Report Post »Southernguy
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:00amIn any case, it still makes me sick to my stomach.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 5:02pmBingo~ Military base means federal land so federal law applies..Like DOMA. It was just a ceremony, so I don’t really know why anyone cares so much ,but if it is in fact in violation then the chaplain and soldier(s) should be punished and given BCD’s.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:39amWe‘ve allowed this PC nonsense to destroy our society now it’s infected our military, although that happened many years ago.I don’t believe women should be in combat units and the repeal of DADT
was the death knell of our military as an effective fighting force. Will there be and has there been gays in our military throughout history? Of course but it wasn’t sanctioned by the the brass.
Next they’ll want women in special forces to,will they have to lower the standards like they do for every police and fire department in this country to make sure we worship at the altar of diversity?
Report Post »HowardSternIsABigot
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:51amWe cant win as long as PC rules. People need to shake off this stpidity and speak plainly. SUE SUE SUE use leftist tactics. As long as we are silent it gives the impression we are as guilty as they accuse us of being. Be proud of your beliefs and dont let anyone shout you down. Call them names right back. sam ones,,,bigot, hater, racist, sexist ,pig, use them all, loudly.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:19amI‘m afraid it’s all water under the bridge now Slayer. Elections (and apathetic voters) have consequences.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:32amWell the Progressives .. already infiltrated and indoctrinated our children to destroy the harmony of the family and what it use to stand for…
It Only makes sense that they are going after the military …
Just another institution going into the tank…
They use these demoralizing tactics… under the guise of fairness…
equality and acceptance ..and when it meets resistance ..
They scream… intolerance…bigot…racist ..AND …hate speech…
When in reality….It‘s all about divide and conquer ..!
Satan goes … too and fro.. seeking whom he may destroy…
And he has his eyes ….set on the U.S.A
Report Post »gperky
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:57amYou are exactly right. It isn’t good enough for them to be equal, they want to tear down the sanctitiy of marriage as they are trying to do in Washington state. They have a civil union law that gives gays the same rights as married but that isn’t what they want. They want it to be called a marriage. The next step will be to force the churches to either marry gays or lose their tax exempt status.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:34am@Gperky
“They have a civil union law that gives gays the same rights as married but that isn’t what they want.”
Clarification: civil unions do not give gays the same rights. Federal recognition is still barred, meaning civil unions will not receive benefits such as shared federal pensions, social security in case their spouse dies, access to federal health care programs, joint income tax returns, gift tax exemption, or immigration benefits (to name a few).
Report Post »Common Sense 24
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:27amLocked: I live in Washington State. It does provide all that. It was called the everything but marriage law. The only thing it didn’t give them, was the term marriage. It still wasn’t enough.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:48am@Common Sense
“I live in Washington State. It does provide all that. It was called the everything but marriage law. The only thing it didn’t give them, was the term marriage.”
It seems you are not understanding what I wrote. While civil unions (and gay marriage in the states that allow it) may give similar or identical states rights, federal rights are not equal. GPerky is wrong by saying the two are equal.
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:19amThis is another way Obama has found to destroy our society. He wants to reduce us to a gaggle of tribesmen living in little grass huts with no religion other than Islam. He also wants to reduce our nation to a nonentity. Come November, we have to get this POS out of the white house and into the big house.
Report Post »lefty5005
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:14amActually, only Spain does.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:14amthe highest levels of leadership in our military have folded like cheap lawn chairs. The magnet fell off the bottom of thier moral compass, and now it just spins in any direction.
What is next? Will we allow adultry, how about group marriages, can you marry your dog.
Leaders of the past had a spine, and were not made cowards by the rules of PC. A George Washington, Robert E Lee, Pershing, George Marshall, Patton, Abrams…. would not have gone along with this. Our leaders of today traded the morality, ethics, and values of our founding fathers, for the values of Madonna and Lady Ga Ga.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:39amWell, since you asked what is next…..remember, it was against Army regs to have sex with animals, but that was changed also.
Report Post »Look, if you can stand over the hairy back of another man and be aroused, then a small child, or an old horse will probably get your blood moving too.
The whole thing is sick, and the first wrong move was to ever say that homos are not sick but normal, in a different way.
Call a spade a spade, and a fancy lad a fancy lad.
encinom
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:18amRanger Dan, you simply can not deal with the fact that what you call “morality” is only bigotry wrapped in a bible.
How those the relationship of two individuals in any way affect you? You are no better than the taleban attempt to enforce your backwards religion on those that don’t want it.
Report Post »eternalwolf777
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:41amEncinom,
You need reasons that are extra-biblical? Okay…
1. Homosexuals have far more health problems than heterosexuals. If they are lawfully recognized as married, then insurance rates will necessarily increase for everyone.
2. I remain unconvinced that homosexuality is not a deviant behavior. The Human Genome Project showed that it is not genetic as some had hoped it would be. This means it is behavioral. Some claim that studies have shown it to be ‘normal’ but that is highly dubious. This does not mean that homosexuals cannot lead productive lives and be good neighbors. I’m saying that the behavior itself is un-natural and unhealthy for those involved.
3. Allowing state-sanctioned gay marriage puts the rights of the couple in direct conflict with the rights of others who may disagree with the lifestyle for religious reasons. What about a devout muslim landlord who refuses to rent to them? What about the devout christian wedding cake decorator who refuses to make one for the couple? Who’s rights will trump the other? When one side wins out over the other, won’t that be a an injustice either way?
4. What about homosexual adoptions? The Catholic Church closed down one of their large and very productive adoption agencies a few years ago because they were being forced to allow homosexuals to adopt their kids. So, they closed their agency to avoid compromising their values. There will be many many more of things like this and the kids will be the ones to
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:10amPoint 1) lets see the facts and citations on this.
Point 2) There is enough evidence to suppor the “gay” gene theory, regardless of the gene, inter-racial marriage was once considered deviant behavior.
Point 3) You can not discriminate against a couple because they are jewish, black, handicapped, why should this be any different. As for businesses, let the capitalism decide. If they can survive the bad press for their bigotry, good for them.
Point 4) And the Catholic Church is wrong and if they can not operate an adoption agency without bigotry and within the law than they have no business in that field. Let them preach their hate from the pulpit, but it ends at the doors of the chruch.
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 2:56pmencinom
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:10am
“Point 1) lets see the facts and citations on this.”
Yes, let’s do. Where are yours?
“Point 2) There is enough evidence to suppor the “gay” gene theory, regardless of the gene, inter-racial marriage was once considered deviant behavior.”
Reference please. The “gay gene” theory is a dinasauer concept.
Do you realize when you make this claim you’re telling everybody that homosexuals are freaks of nature? And freaks of nature have no inherent rights to pursue a freakish life style?
“Point 3) You can not discriminate against a couple because they are jewish, black, handicapped, why should this be any different. As for businesses, let the capitalism decide. If they can survive the bad press for their bigotry, good for them.”
Anybody who thinks homosexuality is on a parallel with race, physical disabilities or ethnicities isn’t playing with a full deck.
No wonder you’re having a hard time trying to fool anyone into accepting sodomy.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 5:19pmI don’t support the guy your responding to ,but use some better examples. # 2 & 3 are just horrible examples. You can‘t prove an interracial couple isn’t equal to a white/chinese/japanese/etc couple.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:22pmEternal Wolf:
Those are absolutely excellent points, Eternal Wolf.
I learned a bit more about the subject from your post.
Your reasoning is extraordinarily sound.
Good job.
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 8:29am@Eternalwolf777
Some counterpoints
1. Heterosexual couples who have kids have higher costs as well. Would you argue that they should not be allowed to marry? Of course not. “The money argument” makes you look like a terrible person.
2. This is your own opinion: in your own words YOU remain unconvinced. You find the studies supporting it dubious, but seem to acknowledge there are studies supporting it.
3. Not necessarily true; only in states where homosexuals have protection from discrimination would this be a conflict. However, I do agree with you to an extent: private businesses should be able to work with whom they want. And… as far as I know, that’s the standard, right? So it’s not an issue unless big government creeps in. In which case you should be upset with government, not gays, right?
4. I think it’s a shame that the RCC closed down their adoptions rather than letting gays adopt. I also think it’s a shame that gay activists forced them to come to that conclusion. Again, it’s a big government issue. Ideally the adoption service could have continued as they had, but instead the government messed it up. Alternatively, the adoption service could have continued business as usual and stopped taking government funding. Did you know Catholic Charities gets 2/3 of its funding from the Fed? That money comes with strings attached.
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 12:56pmLOCKED
Anyone, not a homosexual WOULD NOT go to such lengths to promote homosexuality as you do. That bears repeating and is the most obvious of the revelations about you.
Homosexual activists know homosexual happenings forward and backward, because it is the uppermost, burning issue in their minds. Nobody would go to such lengths to know and defend homosexuals and the pros and cons of the perversion unless he were homosexual himself.
And……
LOCKED:
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 12:11pm
@Independent
“You seem to think I’m gay? While I’m honored at your attempts to flirt with me, it’s getting a bit creepy.”
You’re “honored” at my attempts to flirt with you?
Nobody but a homosexual would be “honored” to have another man “flirt” with him.
Your plan to pretend to be a straight Christian, rather than a manipulative homosexual who resorts to chicanery in order to fool everybody into accepting homosexuality, is really obvious.
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 1:17pm“Anyone, not a homosexual WOULD NOT go to such lengths to promote homosexuality as you do. That bears repeating and is the most obvious of the revelations about you.
Homosexual activists know homosexual happenings forward and backward, because it is the uppermost, burning issue in their minds. Nobody would go to such lengths to know and defend homosexuals and the pros and cons of the perversion unless he were homosexual himself.”
And no one not in the closet would go so far to decry gays and try and pull the attention off himself. See? Two can play at the kindergarten insult game!
You should probably just accept that sometimes people know more than you do. It’ll save you a lot of stress and grief in the future. Also, you should probably stop lying. That’s a good life tip, and the Christian thing to do!
“You’re “honored” at my attempts to flirt with you?
Nobody but a homosexual would be “honored” to have another man “flirt” with him.”
Sure. You find my words attractive, apparently, and now admit you’re attempting to flirt with me. That’s very nice and all, but I don’t go for guys. It‘s odd that you’re so skeeved out about me -not- being skeeved. When an ugly woman flirts with you, do you get weirded out? Even if you were a woman, your attitude is too unattractive to make your flirting appealing. So I’ll have to say, thanks, but no thanks.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 2:34pmLOCKED:
“And no one not in the closet would go so far to decry gays and try and pull the attention off himself. See? Two can play at the kindergarten insult game!”
Nonsense. You’ve given EVERY indication of being a homosexual activist. Wouldn’t you love for people to believe such revelations are childish in order for you to continue your pretenses, rather than an accurate analysis that speaks for itself? Because you’re very obvious. There’s no question of that.
And the disgusting thing about you….most of all…..is that you’re pretending to be a Christian, spouting Christian phrases all for the purpose of trying to get Christians on this site to accept you, then you come in with your urgings to accept homosexuality. It’s just one of many methods homosexual activists utilize to try to gain acceptance.
“You should probably just accept that sometimes people know more than you do.”
Many people know more than I do, but that has nothing to do with those who slant their aims and issues of contention to the point of fanaticism, defending homosexuals and perversions.
” That’s a good life tip, and the Christian thing to do!”
No, the Christian thing to do is openly ask the Lord to help you overcome your homosexuality.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 2:52pm@Independent4233
“And the disgusting thing about you….most of all…..is that you’re pretending to be a Christian, spouting Christian phrases all for the purpose of trying to get Christians on this site to accept you, then you come in with your urgings to accept homosexuality. It’s just one of many methods homosexual activists utilize to try to gain acceptance.”
I prefer to go with the truth: that you need to lie because you don’t have a leg to stand on and refuse to actually talk about the issues. You won’t quote that beliefs I have that you find un-Christian (likely because none of them are). Instead you need to lie to try and make a point. Not fooling anyone, bud!
Oh, and nice try attempting to state I want people to accept homosexuality. By this time I figure you really must be illiterate. Homosexuality is a sin. I’ve never said anything different, despite you saying I have. Come now, the truth will set you free!
“No, the Christian thing to do is openly ask the Lord to help you overcome your homosexuality.”
That would be tough to do, as I’m not gay. I will ask the Lord to help you with your cognitive dissonance, though. You cannot seem to reconcile reality with your fantasies, which accounts for your increasingly erratic posts. Take a deep breath and just stop lying. I promise, telling the truth is easy.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 4:26pmLOCKED
” I promise, telling the truth is easy.”
How would you know?
“Instead you need to lie to try and make a point. Not fooling anyone, bud!”
Your entire series of rants are filled with nothing but pretensions and prevarications. Accusing me of doing the same in order to try to draw attention away from your obfuscations, manipulations and deceit isn’t able to do that, because you impeach yourself with your own words.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 4:39pm@Independent4233
“How would you know?”
Because I follow Christ, and strive always to speak the truth :-)
“Your entire series of rants are filled with nothing but pretensions and prevarications. Accusing me of doing the same in order to try to draw attention away from your obfuscations, manipulations and deceit isn’t able to do that, because you impeach yourself with your own words.”
Come now. You don’t want to discuss anything on topic? As said: trolls will always reveal themselves. You’ve been doing so ever since you stopped responding to the topic at hand and instead tried insults and lies.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 5:12pmLOCKED
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/DaileyGayAdopt.php
Homosexual Parenting: Placing children at risk
Timothy J. Dailey Ph.D.
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A number of studies in recent years have purported to show that children raised in gay and lesbian households fare no worse than those reared in traditional families. Yet much of that research fails to meet acceptable standards for psychological research; it is compromised by methodological flaws and driven by political agendas instead of an objective search for truth. In addition, openly lesbian researchers sometimes conduct research with an interest in portraying homosexual parenting in a positive light. The deficiencies of studies on homosexual parenting include reliance upon an inadequate sample size, lack of random sampling, lack of anonymity of research participants, and self-presentation bias.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 1:22pmThinking about it more… have you ever met, been around, or (gasp!) been friends with a homosexual before, Independent? Your reaction makes me wonder. All I can imagine is you hanging out with a gay guy, him saying “Hey, that shirt looks good on you” and you freaking out and screaming as you run away. It’s a hilarious, yet sad, mental image.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 2:37pmLOCKED
“All I can imagine is you hanging out with a gay guy, him saying “Hey, that shirt looks good on you” and you freaking out and screaming as you run away. It’s a hilarious, yet sad, mental image.”
How would you know the homosexual intent for saying something like that unless you were a homosexual yourself?
You see what you’re revealing?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 2:55pm@Independent4233
“How would you know the homosexual intent for saying something like that unless you were a homosexual yourself?
You see what you’re revealing?”
… that you’ve never actually talked to a homosexual before? You don’t know any? You’re not friends with any? That’s actually really sad. I suppose it‘s easy to hate something you’ve never encountered, especially if you don’t have a belief in God to comfort and fortify you. Whereas, by being a Christian it’s easy to see that every one of us is a child of God deserving of love and respect. Gays might be sinners, but all sin can be forgiven by accepting and following Christ.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 2:47pmLOCKED
“4. I think it’s a shame that the RCC closed down their adoptions rather than letting gays adopt. ”
Of course you do. Thart’spart of the homosexual agenda. You want to be able to recruit children, because you can’t have any of your own.
It matters no one whit to you or any other homosexual that you’re destroying the lives of these children, using them as pawns to play with and to promote homosexuality, as the little boy did who whispered in Michelle Bachman’s ear….obviously distressed at being forced to say…… that “My mommy doesn’t need fixing.”
How about the Lesbians who are giving their young son powerful hormone treatments to delay puberty, because they believe gender is a choice and not a natural occurrence?
He’s a play thing to them, something to use to promote the homosexual agenda.
This is what acceptance of homosexuality degenerates to.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 3:01pm@Independent4233
“Of course you do. Thart’spart of the homosexual agenda. You want to be able to recruit children, because you can’t have any of your own.”
Interesting. When an infertile couple adopts, do you call it recruitment? They can’t have children either, so it must be in your mind!
“It matters no one whit to you or any other homosexual that you’re destroying the lives of these children, using them as pawns to play with and to promote homosexuality, as the little boy did who whispered in Michelle Bachman’s ear….obviously distressed at being forced to say…… that “My mommy doesn’t need fixing.”
How about the Lesbians who are giving their young son powerful hormone treatments to delay puberty, because they believe gender is a choice and not a natural occurrence?
He’s a play thing to them, something to use to promote the homosexual agenda.”
And I fully admit it’s terrible if parents abuse their children or use them to further an agenda. I’m very much against doing so. I don’t like it when Obama parades his kids on stage any more than when Palin did. I think it‘s an underhanded tactic in which the kids don’t have any choice.
I would love to see any scientific studies you have that show the children of homosexuals are abused more often than those of heterosexuals. Everything I‘ve read has made it clear that there’s no correlation, but perhaps something new has come out (heh, pun) recently?
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 4:52pmLocked
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 3:01pm
@Independent4233
“Interesting. When an infertile couple adopts, do you call it recruitment? They can’t have children either, so it must be in your mind!”
Nonsense. This is one more item of proof of your duplicitous manipulations.
An infertile couple provides a child a home with a mother and father, a safe upbringing, free of the forced imposition of a sodomous lifestyle, and not confusing the child and using him/’her as a play thing to be manipulated as they please. These are precious little lives that are ruined by homosexuals with deceitful intent.
“And I fully admit it’s terrible if parents abuse their children or use them to further an agenda. I’m very much against doing so. ”
Well, saying you’re very much against that and out of the other side of your mouth promoting homsexuality and homosexual adoptions makes it obvious you are resorting to manipulations again.
The politicians who voted for such a thing in order to get a few more votes need to be strung out over an ant hill. And the same needs to be done to homosexuals who damage our children.
Gay Adoption Horror: Duke University Official Molested Adopted African American Son, Pimped Son to Cop in Web Sting
http://www.rpvnetwork.org/profiles/blogs/gay-adoption-horror-duke
http://www.henrymakow.com/samesex_adoption_is_child_abus.html
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:24amencinom
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 10:18am
“Ranger Dan, you simply can not deal with the fact that what you call “morality” is only bigotry wrapped in a bible. ”
And your objection to it is only hate wrapped in in a pretense of victimhood. Your obvious abysmal anti-Christian fervor is right out there for everybody to see.
” You are no better than the taleban (sic) attempt to enforce your backwards (sic) religion on those that don’t want it.”
Speaking of the Taliban, there is no religion, ideology or policy in this country as rabidly hateful as the homosexual agenda and its activists. Give me one religion that accepts homosexuality.
And….why do you not speak out on the articles about Muslims who hang homosexuals as a matter of policy, which they claim is part of their religion?
Report Post »jnobfan
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:13amGay – Gay – gay – Gay – gay _ gay
I am so sick of seeing of seeing Gay news story I could scream AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Even California doesn’t want Gay marraige why must we be bombarded with Gay crap everyday?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:05amThe final paragraph doesn’t make any sense unless you go to the linked article and read this:
“Crews said the solution is for the U.S. Senate to pass the House bill banning such ceremonies. Until that happens, he said all military facilities, including chapels will be “sexual orientation neutral.””
I was left scratching my head, going “What bill?” until I looked a bit deeper.
” “By allowing this on military installations, this means that chaplains in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq could conduct same sex ceremonies like this. How will this look to our coalition partners who do not approve of same sex unions?””
Really, it won’t look any worse to the Pakistanis, as they already hate us for killing terrorists in their country without authorization. Iraq is practically yesterday’s news. Afghanistan already has their own issues, with many tribes and their “Thursdays.” As for the coalition?
UK: Has gay civil unions
Germany: Has same sex partnerships
Italy: Doesn’t allow any benefits to gays
France: Has PACS, which is roughly equivalent to civil unions
Poland: Not recognized, though there are two bills currently being debated; one for recognition, one for unions similar to France’s PACS
Romania: Not recognized
Spain: Legal gay marriage
Australia: Recognition of same sex couples
So we risk offending Romania and Italy out of our biggest coalition allies by Crew’s reckoning. Maybe Poland.
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:18amUNELECT every DEMOCRAT SENATOR running for re-electoin; two problems solved; Harry Reid can do it by him self, and the Republicans can pass the House initiatives; attach them to an appropriations bill, and you only need 50 Senate votes………..
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 3:03pmLocked
“Really, it won’t look any worse to the Pakistanis, as they already hate us for killing terrorists in their country without authorization. Iraq is practically yesterday’s news. Afghanistan already has their own issues, with many tribes and their “Thursdays.” As for the coalition?”
Illogical, irrelevant and not germaine to anything involving homosexuality.
For somebody who claims to not be a homosexual, it’s peculiar that you would go to such lengths to try to convince everyone to accept your lifestyle and gay marriage.
You are frothing at the mouth trying to gain acceptance with every ludicrous sounding reason you can come up with.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 3:19pm@Independent4233
“Illogical, irrelevant and not germaine to anything involving homosexuality.”
Wait, when someone says “gay marriage will lose coalition support” and I point out precisely why it won’t, that’s “illogical, irrelevant, and not germane (sp) to anything involving homosexuality”? Er, I suppose if you’re insane…
“For somebody who claims to not be a homosexual, it’s peculiar that you would go to such lengths to try to convince everyone to accept your lifestyle and gay marriage.”
I don’t try to convince people to accept my lifestyle: I like being straight. I do, however, try to convince people of the truth. Crew, I feel, is exaggerating… for all the reasons I listed. If gay marriage is such a turn-off for our allies, then the only people who would be affected are those that don’t recognize it, right? Romania and Italy. How would you support an opposing view? I’m all ears.
“You are frothing at the mouth trying to gain acceptance with every ludicrous sounding reason you can come up with.”
Yeah, don’t let things like the legal status of gay marriage or civil partnerships come into a discussion about gay marriage and civil partnerships. It could get “ludicrous”!
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 9:17pmLOCKED
“Yeah, don’t let things like the legal status of gay marriage or civil partnerships come into a discussion about gay marriage and civil partnerships. It could get “ludicrous”!’
But that’s not the crux of your self exposure.
Nobody is as FANTICALLY pro-homosexual as you are unless he IS a homosexual.
And there are a myriad of other things that reveal much about yourself besides that.
You said you could cite scripture regarding homosexuality. Where is it?
And, I’m not talking about divorces.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 8:19am@Independent4233
“Nobody is as FANTICALLY pro-homosexual as you are unless he IS a homosexual.”
Hahaha… right. Isn’t the counter to that “nobody is so outspoken against gays unless they’re hiding in the closet?” Come on out to us, Independent. We’re here for you!
What you seem to be missing is that I consider homosexuality a sin. It’s also a sin that -does not affect me in the least-. If the US military wants to marry gays, and the government allows that, it does not infringe my right to worship in any way. I won’t be attending any gay weddings, but I‘m also not going to make bogus claims like Crew that marrying gays will lose us allies when there’s no logic behind it.
“You said you could cite scripture regarding homosexuality. Where is it?
And, I’m not talking about divorces.”
Wait, what? I said I can use Scripture to back up all of my beliefs. I’ve already said homosexuality was a sin, and advised you to look at Leviticus and Romans. You obviously can’t keep topics straight (heh, pun!). Since you apparently missed the several times I said it before: homosexuality is a sin. So is divorce. So is remarrying. None of them will keep someone out of heaven in and of themselves.
Read a Bible, Independent. You obviously don’t understand what sin is.
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 12:37pmLOCKED
Indp: “Nobody is as FANTICALLY pro-homosexual as you are unless he IS a homosexual.”
LOCKED “Hahaha… right. Isn’t the counter to that “nobody is so outspoken against gays unless they’re hiding in the closet?” Come on out to us, Independent. We’re here for you!”
Sorry, but all anybody has to do is review your posts here to know that there’s no way a non-homosexual would go to such bizarre, fanatical and ludicrous effort to try to convince someone to accept homosexuality, as you have done…..and ALWAYS do….. on almost every article coming up on homosexuality.
Pretending to laugh about it and regard the matter lightly doesn’t change a thing.
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Posted on June 8, 2012 at 12:50pm@Independent4233
It’s sad, you‘ve fallen to the point of needing to throw insults and lies because you can’t respond to a post. In the end, the trolls always reveal themselves. Go with Christ, my angry non-believing friend!
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:03amThe experiment line was the line that grabbed me as well. The thing with experiments is that there is always a control. Progressives have no boundaries and thus no controls, which leads me to describe the outcome using a line from George Carlin…”a Mongolian Cluster Ph@(4″….
Report Post »HickoryStonewall
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:02ampower and revolution salutes? no, more bullsh7t after all that was ironed out, which by the way took years and an all volunteer force. balkanization of our military at a weaken point of our military power is not excusable. the pentagon needs a thorough cleaning, this rot goes back to the clinton era.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:01am“How will this look to our coalition partners who do not approve of same sex unions?”
Who cares? Most of our coalition partners already allow gay marriage in their countries.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:09amNot quite true. Out of our largest allies, only Spain has gay marriage. Most of our allies recognize gay couples and give them benefits through civil unions (or an analogous partnership). Only a couple refuse to acknowledge gay couples (Italy and Romania, for example), and none of our most supportive allies ban gays from living together or having families.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:55amWith current demographic trends out coalition partners are becoming Muslim.
It seems as though Muslims can grow & CONVERT faster than you can dearie.
A significant number of Lesbians want kids. I have not seen the same among gays. They just want to boink or get boinked. HeII one gay blogger brags just because he lives alone does not mean that he arrives home alone meaning promiscuity is best ( Relationships & kids not so much). Stupid fool of a blogger said as much at wnd.com. He goes there to hold court or such, but at the same time he blocks people from his blog. All those dangerous comments and not one form the Bible,.. Can’t have
Report Post »people leaving the gay community now can we? LMAO
Independent4233
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 3:06pmLocked
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:09am
“Not quite true. Out of our largest allies, only Spain has gay marriage. Most of our allies recognize gay couples and give them benefits through civil unions (or an analogous partnership). Only a couple refuse to acknowledge gay couples (Italy and Romania, for example), and none of our most supportive allies ban gays from living together or having families.”
For somebody who professes to be straight you go to great lengths to try to convince people that sodomy is acceptable in countries that only a person who researched the subject would know.
Why did you do that?
Is it because of love and tolerance?
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 3:15pm@Independent4233
“Why did you do that?
Is it because of love and tolerance?”
Truth, actually. LPHP is wrong to say most of our coalition allies have gay marriage. Those volunteering the most troops have civil unions; none have anti-gay couple laws. Only Spain has legal gay marriage.
I like the truth to get out there. Lying is un-Christian. I can offer you some passages on how lying is a sin if you’d like? I’d love to have you convert :-)
Report Post »crazyoz
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:58amWhat is wrong with this country? We have the minority telling the majority to adhere to what they want. I thought the majority ruled and those that don’t like it, get the hell out of the country.
Report Post »deerfawn
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:38amwhile I’m against this abomination the truth is we are a Republic and majority does not rule.
A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.
Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]
Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:45amI understand what you are saying, but who said that we are the majority? Last time I looked, the country was almost half republican and half socialist. I think the problem is that we are no longer the majority. Hell, if you take away the religious sector out, I know we are in a minority. Untill you get every slacker to show up at the polls, this is going to be a problem. Also notice, no outrage from our Federal right wing politicians. Silence is deadly in cases like this.
Report Post »Ahh, our gay army……..the shame is overwhelming.
MainThingIsDontGetExcited
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:57amI think it would be unfair for gay married folks to be able to use the same public bathroom together while heterosexual married couples could not.
Sounds silly, but so does gay marriage.
Press 2 if your spouse is the same sex as you.
Report Post »wpatte2454
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:56amGive the Chaplin a relief for cause and send him home so he can marry all the little homos he wants
MSG P
Report Post »Retired
gsp9993
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:29amAgreed. Gay behavior is abnormal behavior.
Always has been and also will be.
Let’s stop giving these people any media at all.
They will soon go back to the closet.
Report Post »USNRET04
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:55amYou cannot say you did not see this one coming! Our military does not need this type of distraction. I hate when we are forced to be a social experiment. Now leadership will have to take time away from important military matters to address this!
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:05amSomeone is always pushing the envelope and finding obscure ways to get around laws, with the blessing of this administration and the DOJ. Does the commander of the base have no say in this, or is he complicit? Seems like he would have the final word.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:45amMy son is 4th generation Army. He had planned on making the Army his career. The abolishment of DADT is one of the reasons he will resign his comission.
Report Post »Matrix22
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:51amAnd the federalization of marriage continues…What part of “states-rights” do they not understand?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:23amnone
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 7:45am“The liberal social experiment with our military continues,”
THAT sums it ALL up!! Wake up people the LAST Conservative stronghold is under a major attack from within!!!!
NO to Obama in 2012
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Posted on June 7, 2012 at 8:14amRomney believes in gay civil unions and gay adoption, you really think he would have a problem with this. Keep Obama, keep the devil you know.
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