Gay Rights Activists Claim Victory After NH House Kills Measure to Rescind Same-Sex Marriage
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CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Gay rights advocates are declaring victory after New Hampshire’s failed attempt at repealing its gay marriage law, saying it resounds in a region where opponents have concentrated efforts to reverse momentum.
The state House voted Wednesday to kill the measure, ending a push by its new Republican majority to rescind New Hampshire’s 2-year-old law. Nevertheless, both sides are pledging to continue fighting into the fall elections.
“Today is a banner day for the freedom to marry,” said Craig Stowell, co-chairman of Standing Up for New Hampshire Families. Stowell said the House, where Republicans hold a 189-seat advantage, was supposed to give conservatives their best shot at repeal.
“They blew it,” he said. “This was supposed to be the most favorable legislative climate for repeal and they couldn’t even get a majority.”
The National Organization for Marriage has pledged to spend $250,000 to help lawmakers running for re-election who support repealing the law. On the other side, the New Hampshire Republicans of Freedom and Equality PAC is raising money to back Republicans who vote to retain it.
State Rep. David Bates, R-Windham, talks about his amendment on on a bill to repeal New Hampshire's gay marriage law and replace it with the civil unions law and putting question on the ballot asking voters if that is what they want. at the statehouse Wednesday, March 21, 2012 in Concord, N.H. (AP Photo/Jim Cole)
The Republican-backed bill called for repealing gay marriage in March 2013 and replacing it with a civil unions law that had been in place in 2008 and 2009. Same-sex marriages occurring before the repeal took effect would have remained valid, but future gay unions would have been civil unions.
The bill also would have allowed voters to weigh in on the issue through a nonbinding November ballot question.
If the House passed the repeal measure following its two hours of debate, it would have gone to the Senate; both houses are controlled by Republicans. Democratic Gov. John Lynch had promised to veto the bill in any case. The House vote was 211-116.
Tom Czapieo, 63, of Keene, watched the House debate from the gallery with his partner, Mike Bellrose, 61. Czapieo said he was surprised and thrilled by the vote, even though he and Bellerose have no immediate plans to marry.
“I was born this way,” he said. “I should have the right to marry who I want.”
An attempt to strip out a provision in the legislation calling for voters to weigh in on the issue in November in a nonbinding ballot question was rejected, helping to seal the bill’s fate since some lawmakers objected that with a 400-member House, lawmakers should be able to make those decisions themselves.
About 200 people gather in front of the New Hampshire Statehouse on Feb. 7 for a rally to support replacing the state's same-sex marriage law with civil unions. (AP)
Democrats enacted both the civil unions and gay marriage laws when they controlled the Legislature, and Lynch signed both. After Republicans took control of the House and Senate in 2010, repeal legislation was introduced but was held over until this year.
Same-sex marriage is legal in New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maryland, Washington state and Washington, D.C.
Voters have overturned gay marriage laws in California and Maine. A federal appeals court declared California’s ban to be unconstitutional, and the matter could be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
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EdofTennessee
Posted on March 23, 2012 at 12:58amPART 4 : WHY I AM AGAINST ORGANIZED RELIGION :
……….To prove this point, let’s look at the republiCON party, UNCOVERED !!!
This brew of lying satanic angels have had the MAJORITY in government
MANY times since the day ABORTION was made legal; yet ABORTIONS are
still legal and still being performed EVERYDAY !!!
In addition, The Gay Community, that most religious zealots hate and
make religious war against, win 99.99% of every battle these self
righteous republican religious righters wage against them. Even
though the self righteous fight tooth and nail against the Gay
Community, ,soon there will be ELEVEN (11) states that allow full legal
GAY MARRIAGE, many hate laws have been passed (completely protecting
the Gay Community), no more SODOMY LAWS, no DADT, soon no DOMA, gay
military couples soon to have benefits and very soon a constitutional
amendment will allow FULL LEGAL GAY MARRIAGE in ALL 50 STATES,
federally overriding any bans on Gay Marriage that states has
arrogantly passed to rob the Gay Community of their rights as
Americans.
(for more see PART 5)
Report Post »EdofTennessee
Posted on March 23, 2012 at 12:56amPART 3 : WHY I AM AGAINST ORGANIZED RELIGION :
The republiCON party preys on these idiots by playing both sides of the
fence; to gather the maximum number of votes for their side of the
aisle. They do this by pretending to be for FAMILY VALUES and
TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE on one hand (to get the religious vote), then on
the other hand, secretly supporting abortion to get the women’s vote
and supporting Gay Marriage (in-the-closet, to coin a phrase) for
gathering the massive Gay Community vote . These groups of voters,
Women and the Gay Community, usually determines the outcome of
elections these days !!! Also, remember, there are MANY gay people
who are still in the closet and vote for the candidates that encourage
advancement of the Gay Community, in addition to the millions who are
OUT OF THE CLOSET and vote !!!
When these lying, corrupt and evasive republiCON politicians get
elected, they will tell the religious community they cannot pass this
law or that law, for one reason or another. They may pass a few
unimportant bills, to save face, but for the most part they ignore
their original agenda. Their real motivation for getting into politics,
for these republiCON’s, is for the wealth and fame that it brings;;
they could care less about the promises they made,before election day,
after they take their fake oath of office !!!
(for more read PART 4)
Report Post »EdofTennessee
Posted on March 23, 2012 at 12:51amPART 2 : WHY I AM AGAINST ORGANIZED RELIGION :
………..What ever happened to teaching the world about the love of GOD and
JESUS, love in general, love for yourself and your neighbor, respect
for your fellow human, respect for our planet and all of it’s
creatures, compassion, charity, helpfulness, caring, understanding and
encouraging harmony with every person on this planet ???
I have lived in Tennessee most of my 58 years and have attended church
most of those years. As a result, I have become an expert on church
agenda. I hear their ridiculous rhetoric every day of my life here in
the bigoted, prejudice, judgmental and arrogant south !!!
There is a church on EVERY CORNER here in Chattanooga, TN and 90% of
them will drain you dry from contributions, never helping a single
soul who is in need of help (especially denying help to the disabled
and elderly) !!! Can you even imagine it ??? How can these seething
vipers sleep at night???
Most of these religious ignorant redneck weekend warriors will stand
right up in your face and tell you that you are going to hell in a hand
basket. (perhaps they should read Matthew 7:1-10, once more in the
Bible); yet they live their lives for Satan, doing everything they
want; from drugs to child molestation, Monday through Saturday.
(for more, see PART 3)
Report Post »crawdad
Posted on March 23, 2012 at 12:36pmDon’t foget the widespread child sacrifices.
Report Post »EdofTennessee
Posted on March 23, 2012 at 12:43amThe sorry and sloth republiCON party will stoop to any low and go to any lengths to degrade, demean and harass the Gay Community !!! The only thing a republiCON thinks of or considers in their sorry stagnant life, IS MONEY; AND LOTS OF IT $$$$$$ !!!!! This is typical of organized religion;…..TODAY’S ORGANIZED RELIGION !!! Don‘t forget that today’s religion is ONLY FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES; as they are EXEMPT FROM PAYING TAXES ON ANYTHING !!!!
Everyone I know, who is a religious NUT, thinks
they are perfect in every way. They feel certain they have a stairway,
paved with pure gold and a special invitation carved in stone for them
(from GOD) to climb up and join GOD and JESUS in heaven; yet in
reality they are as evil and corrupt as Satan himself. This is yet
another reason that I am AGAINST TODAY’S ORGANIZED RELIGION !!!
People of religious organizations have gone berserk these days and have
lost their minds over the Gay Community, Gay Marriage and abortion.
These idiot zealots can’t seem to preach about anything else !!! They
step out of their own sad / ignorant world and go snooping in other
people’s lives, business and bedrooms, where they DO NOT BELONG !!!
What ever happened to teaching the world about the love of GOD and
Report Post »JESUS, love in general, love for yourself and your neighbor, respect
for your fellow human, respect for our planet and all of it’s
creatures, compassion, charity, helpfulness, caring, understanding and
encouraging harm
williaml
Posted on March 23, 2012 at 1:54amI hate to BUST your bubble but God has Not changed.
Report Post »Regardless what any man thinks, religious or not, God has not changed.
How can a same sex couple be fruitful AND MULTIPLY?
The Mariage is when a couple makes an oath to GOD.
GOD is NOWHERE in the picture of an abominable same sex marriage!
Don’t get it twisted
wntsmallgov
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 4:43amThis Republican does not care how you live your life, it is totally up to you. The only judge that anyone has to worry about should be God. I just ask that people in the homosexual community stops harrasing me about my faith. I also ask that the homosexual community stops using schools to directly attacking my childrens faith as well. Amoung–and I stress amoung the people I deal with everyday the liberals/progressives are more forceful and less tolerant than that moderate Dems or even the moderate Republicans. I am also offended by the changing definitions of words to fit that modern feel good stituations.
Report Post »Next is the seperation of Church and State. The States use of the word of Marriage is un Constitutional. It should be Civil Union for all. IF a Church wants to preform the ritual of Marriage then it is up to that Church. I have a civil union application on file (approved by state) but I was Married in a church.
I have family among the homosexual community and I am glad that they have found someone that makes them happy.
VeritatemInvestigator
Posted on March 23, 2012 at 12:40amBecause God’s Law > Man’s Law, they will never win.
Report Post »crawdad
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 11:07pmGod created us in His image. Male and Female. In joining together in marriage, God’s ideal is that we reflect His image, returning joy to Him. Just as when we create something and it reflects some part of our character, that object gives us joy. Homosexuality violates heavenly law and is doomed for it cannot fulfill this purpose the Creator has given us. It doesn’t matter how WE define marriage. You ask, whom does it hurt? Ironically, the ones it will harm the most are those who engage in this lifestyle. They don’t understand the spiritual damage they cause themselves. Yet there is always hope. Just because one denies God’s love and truth, even existence, doesn’t mean that He is not pursuing you, His unique and precious child, seeking to embrace His lost love.
Report Post »marshall1963
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:14pm“We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” – George Washington
Report Post »stage9
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:42pmH o m o s e x u a l s have claimed that H o m o s e x u a l i t y has been repeatedly demonstrated to be, and is in fact, an innate, genetically-determined condition.
Simon LeVay, a neuroanatomist at The Salk Institute in San Diego, founded the Institute for G a y and L e s b i a n Education in San Francisco after researching and publishing the study of hypothalamic structures in men most widely-cited as confirming innate brain differences between h o m o s e x u a l s and h e t e r o s e x u a l s, as he himself initially argued. He later acknowledged:
“It‘s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that h o m o s e x u a l i t y is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being g a y. I didn’t show that g a y men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a g a y center in the brain.”
If h o m o s e x u a l s can convince you that they were “born that way” then they gain the sympathy vote. How can anyone with compassion be prejudiced against someone who “can’t help the way they were born”?
Report Post »williaml
Posted on March 23, 2012 at 1:59amThe answer is simple.
Report Post »THEY CAN’T BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY.
Sure, sme hetrosexuals cant either but TWO men or Two women never could nor never can make a baby.
What’s love got to do with that?
SurfinRallylizard
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 4:45pmSo I’m lucky enough to know three people I want to spend the rest of my life with. Why doesn’t the law let me be happy? I’m a legal adult and I was born this way… why can’t I marry who I want too?
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 5:14pmIt we limit government to strictly preventing and providing justice against aggressions against person and property, then there is nothing you can do to prevent consenting adults from entering into polygamous agreements and relationships. You may have a moral opposition to such relationships, but that does not make the use of violence against non-violent actions legitimate.
Report Post »SurfinRallylizard
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 5:32pmIt will certainly force a new look at the tax code too! Imagine a 50 person “relationship” using today’s personal exemptions and dependency deductions… ugh…. just more proof we need to tax people from a federal level as individuals. Then all these discussions are effectively moot.
Report Post »daniel73
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 5:52pmNo one is born Gay it is a choice ans its not a right to marry or be Gay
Report Post »SurfinRallylizard
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 6:44pm@Daniel
Report Post »What’s it mean to marry? Historically it’s a man, women, and God right? How does this have anything to do with the government? Why does government permission carry any weight in our personal and religious relationships? The answer is it doesn’t… this debate is over tax status, estate planning, property rights, and social standing. So don’t get it twisted, cause no one is stopping you from holding a ceremony in front of friends/family and telling everyone you’re married. If the government taxed and treated people as individuals and only recognized guardian-child and business relationships there would be no point for so many of these stupid made-up social issues.
encinom
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:35pmdaniel73
Report Post »Posted on March 22, 2012 at 5:52pm
No one is born Gay it is a choice ans its not a right to marry or be Gay
_________________________
The Supreme Court will desagree, they found the right to marry someone of one’s choice to be a fundimental right (Loving v. Va.)
stotlaat
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 4:32pmOkay, logically we will hear (burglar) “I was born a thief. Let me steal” (politician) “I was born this way, I lie. get over it” (hot head) “If you‘d do what I tell you I wouldn’t have to hurt you. I was born right” Right and wrong have nothing to do with a disposition to behave a certain way.
Report Post »catholicschoolmom
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 4:17pmThey can “marry” a garden hose, shove it up their !@@ and turn it on full blast and not spread their ugly diseases around instead.
Report Post »catholicschoolmom
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 4:05pmThay can “marry” a sheep, a goat, a mule……and go to hell.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:36pmConsenting Adults you bigot.
Report Post »WashingtonIsMyHero
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:55pmPandering to perverts. That‘s a bit harsh but that’s the tenor of the war the radical gays have started. Evil will not quit so we can’t quit either. Love this: “lawmakers objected that with a 400-member House, lawmakers should be able to make those decisions themselves” instead of putting it on ballot for the people of NH. Who needs the public’s opinion?
Report Post »robert
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 4:07pm“I was born this way. I should have the right to marry who I want.”
If you were BORN that way, then you are a FREAK of nature.
If you were MADE that way as is factually the reason you are as you are, then you are mentall illl in need of intense psychotherapy.
Not much of a choice is it?
I mean if you‘re not a FREAK then you’re a NUT CASE.
Is preferring to be a Freak really the option of a Nut Case, giving you the opportunity to be identified as both?
That’s an interesting prioposition to discuss.
That should be debated on here.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:37pmPandering to the founders and the notions of individual liberty and the belief that the government should have little to no role in the relationship between consenting adults.
Report Post »EggSalad
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:03pmWow. A friend introduced me to this site for a laugh.. And I can’t find it funny over being amazed. This is nothing but propaganda. I’m a conservative white guy.. but come on. This is about the 10th article I‘ve read and I’m done. Let gay people marry. If you don’t agree with it, I personally think its disgusting, but they’re people. This is the same thing as racism and its sad. Plus, 90% of articles on this site seem to be geared towards racism against black people and hate. Treat people with respect. If you don’t like em, keep it to yourself. It’s common courtesy. If you want to complain about politics, keep racism and discrimination out of it. People should be treated like people.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 4:30pmNo, we don’t have to keep our opinions to ourselves, pinko. This is a free country and apparently you have a problem with freedom of speech.
It’s not bigoted to be against sexual deviants. We don’t have low standards like you do.
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 5:19pmActually it is bigoted to promote inequality under the law on the basis of being different from you. By sexual deviance, all you are saying is that they are different. You are the one applying a value judgement. There is no way a person who believes in private property rights can rationally argue for state discrimination in civil marriage without apply arbitrary and subjective value judgements.
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 1:52pm“I was born this way,”…Crock-O-Crap….there are homosexual acts not people…is a pedophilia born that way?? Is beast lover born that way?? What if you were not born with out the “family jewels” would you still be attracted to the same or opposite sex?? History says no….You become the beast you feed… my guess is you paid a lot of attention to opposite sex attraction…at some point you choose who you become…
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 2:50pmIn order for someone to be born that way, there must be physical evidence (genetic, physiological, or psychological) that exists. None has been proven for homosexuality.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:07pmEven tho I agree the Process has been followed legally in NH through elected officials,The born this way argument has no merit.If that was the case the pedophiles,people who perform zoophilic sexual acts, and Jeffrey Dahmer who liked to have gay sex and the eat his partners were all born that way.If they were born that way,then it is a birth defect like downs syndrome.
Report Post »EggSalad
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:09pmDisagree with being gay all you want. But don’t compare them to pedophiles. That’s just immature and immoral. That’s a sick, sad crime and nobody should be compared to that unless they’ve committed it.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:13pmThe ignorance on this subject truly knows no bounds. For the record, I’m 100% for calling unions outside of the church “civil unions”. The caveat is they MUST provide all the same legal benefits and protections as well as responsibilities and consequences that marriage currently provides. The idea that, in a free society, the govt gets to tell two consenting adults that they cannot enter into a legal agreement – any legal agreement – is ridiculous.
To the posters here who are so expert in this subject they can definitively say that one is not born gay and as free will to change, you are totally off base. Unless you have had sexual attraction for the same sex, you have absolutely no clue, no concept of what it is like, and you have no basis for your statements. I’ve been attracted to males for as long as I can remember. When adolescence hit, and I began to understand it was a sexual attraction, I fought it with everything I had because I knew I wasn’t “supposed” to feel that way. I dated girls, I looked at sexy pics of them, I TRIED to desire women. For some here to say I fed the gay urges and if I tried hard enough, I could be straight, you are utterly, completely ignorant of what you speak. There is no doubt SOME gays have chosen those feelings, but I, and the vast majority, are not among them. Most people would never choose to be so different, to have such a difficult “row to hoe”. Most of us are merely trying to do the best we can with the hand we’ve been deal
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:21pmSmokey, to follow your equation that homosexuality is on par with pedophilia, bestiality, and serial murder, could you please tell me who is harmed when two consenting adults, who share the same feelings and desires, retire to their bedroom and do what, to them, comes naturally? In that scenario, who is being victimized?
It is stunningly on par with progressive left arguments, to equate two adults having consensual sex with the victimization of another. It is literally equating consensual sex with rape and murder. How does that make sense?
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:23pmThe “born this way” argument is a distraction on both sides. When talking about politics and the use of government, you are talking about the use of violence. Using government to subsidize heterosexual marriage while preventing gays from marrying is a violent act. It would also be an act of violence to use government to dictate how a religious organization should perform its rites and who may enter into them. True conservatives should want to limit the violence done to other citizen by government, by limiting the scope of government action. If government did not ordain or subsidize any marriage, then it would not be using force on any individual for the benefit of another.
Let’s end marriage socialism and privatize marriage!
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 4:15pmI am all in Favor of gay Civil Unions with the same Rights as Married Couples,I just do not think people are born with perversions.Trust me.I have my own.But what Consent adults do is their Business.Not governments.But a Gut who likes to hang himself in a closet dressed in a Batman Costume was no more Born that way than someone who likes the same sex.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 4:31pmB-Rad – Science triumphs your own personal experiences and opinions. It’s your job to prove that homosexuality is born that way.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 5:05pm@Git I’m almost uncertain how to respond to such a statement. Science can prove that anthropogenic global warming exists, and science can prove that it doesn’t. Science tells you there is no God and man evolved from apes, who evolved from a primordial goo. Science once told us we were the center of the universe, and science eventually disproved that. Science is only as good as the information we have for the moment, and you have no way to quantify what gives one person their proclivities. Science can tell you why one’s eyes are a certain color, but cannot explain why two children, raised in the same environment, with the same genes, can turn out so differently from one another.
It is not my job, nor my intention to definitively prove to you, or anyone else, that one kid is born homosexual out of 10, or a hundred. I can only speak to what I know with 100% certainty, and that is I had no control over my feelings for, or attractions to, the same sex. Now, I acknowledge fully that I choose my actions, but don’t tell me I could choose my attractions. I TRIED. As I see it, I had 3 options; defraud a woman, remain celibate and alone, or do the best with what I had. Perhaps, given the same obstacles, you would choose differently – more power to you. But what I do in the privacy of my bedroom has no effect on you or on society, so you don’t get a vote. Leave me alone and don’t force me to live as you choose, and I’ll show you the same courtesy.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 12:07pmIf you have to explain to someone whether your husband or wife is a man or a woman- It ain’t marriage… And it is ridiculous imposition!
Report Post »“gay marriage” is a wedge issue designed to marginalize, exploit and co-opt a community under false pretenses. PROOF: If it were a genuine issue it would be about devising a unique institution instead of “Gay marriage” So- it is a clear matter of marginalizing and exploitation and the evils of progressivism.
MarketsClear
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 1:17pmThe real evil is the government usurpation of marriage from churches and individuals. Government should not ordain or have anything to do with marriage. Religious marriage is a church function, and civil marriage is a private contract. If you believe in private property and freedom of religion, then government intrusion into marriage in any form is illegitimate.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 10:46amGovernment has NO business in ANY MARRIAGE decision. Get the hell out of our lives…
Report Post »LIVE FREE OR DIE (AMMENDMENT: with rergulations)
robinakilt
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 11:59amNICE! Short Sweet and to the point!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 12:20pmYes but status’ have to be recognized for tax and legal purposes.
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 1:15pm@Avengerk
Why should government make any distinction on the basis of marriage? Individual’s earn money and spend money, so changing taxation on the basis of entry into marriage is either a subsidy or a punitive tax, neither of which should be acceptable to people who adhere to private property rights. As far as legal goes, currently the state writes and is the custodian of the civil marriage contract. That does not have to be the case. Law firms may provide standard marriage contracts and individuals may determine the terms of their own civil marriages. No where is there necessity for government use of force to have a monopoly over marriage.
Report Post »Pasqual
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 10:02amIf you want a clear and absolute way to know how God made you I suggest that youi retire to the nearest bathroom drop your drawers and take an assessment…
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 12:38pmHow do you explain sexual development disorders then?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 2:51pmWV – Unless it’s proven physiological or genetic, then any abnormalities from the heterosexual behavior is psychological.
Report Post »robinakilt
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:48amWhy should government recognize any marriage? Why does everyone now a days need big brothers blessing for everything they do in their lives? Government should not have anything to do with ANY marriage, it should be between the two consenting ADULTS, their family and friends and their God period. People I think you going about this in the wrong way smaller government allows you to live Free with Liberty not a big GOVERNMENT that has to give it blessing on everything you do!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:51am1828 Websters Dictionary
Marriage
n. [L.mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. Marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them. Marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity,and for securing the maintenance and education of children.
Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Heb.13.
1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage.
The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage for his son. Matt.22.
2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his church by the covenant of grace. Rev.19.
Report Post »robinakilt
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 10:00am@ Ranger as I do not disagree with your definition from a Christian religious stand point. My God of the Bible does not want me to force my religious views onto another person because he gave us all freewill. He wants people to come to him on their own terms, freewill and in the end when I stand before God he will hold me accountable to how I have lived my life and there will be no mention of how you or anyone else lived their lives. So why do I have the right to infringe on someone else Freedom and Liberty? Marriage existed long before America did because marriage is a religious institution governed by God not by man.
Report Post »loviedivine
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 10:01amRight on!
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:45amI’m always amused by these “True Marriage” folks. A Godly marriage is not one that is ordained by the state. True marriage is a religious rite that has nothing to do with government and it is not true that all that is required for a true marriage is one man and one woman. The contract of civil marriage has nothing to do with religion and the state has applied certain benefits to being civilly married. These types of people are clearly ignorant of the difference between civil and religious marriage, or they want them to be completely merged.
If you believe in private property and the liberty of man, you cannot support government restrictions on entry into civil marriage, as it is a private contract. Churches and religious organizations may place whatever restrictions they deem appropriate on religious marriage, but cannot use government to universalize their religious restrictions.
Report Post »PA PATRIOT
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:01amIt’s the ECONOMY stupid.
Stay focused on ridding our lives of the debacle in Washington
November 6th is quickly approaching
Remember
Wwe are the….. SOB’s
We “Have to Pass THE BILL to find out whai is in it.”
We are “going straight to HELL”
And “we must punish our enemies.”
To quote Ed Schultz..” I will fight these bastards everynight.”
Joe Biden at AFL-CIO Rally: “You Are The Only Folks Keeping The Barbarians From the Gates”
Bring it on. The gates are going to be opened and the palace will be fumigated.
Transparency my a$$.
Prepare for the fall of 2012.
Bring down the Obama machine
Repectfully
SoB and Terrorist
Tomorrow is the 2nd anniversary of Obama signing the Heath Care Mandate (BS)
Report Post »Let it be the last anniversary.
vaman
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:53amLets see how much christian love people have when commenting on this story. Christian love and tolerance, we’ll see…
Report Post »John WIS.
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:57amChristians call it what it is.
It’s not genetic. It’s a choice.
You want to be shown love, tolerance, and understanding……but yet you give none towards them…nor do you step out to understand what and why they believe what they believe.
Report Post »loviedivine
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 10:08amIf you stand up for what you believe, why can’t I. I believe the bible. You want respect, but you don’t give it. You want love, yet you hate Christians. Why do we bother you so much…is it because we are mirrors who show you the true you and you hate to admit God is right?
Report Post »Christhefarmer
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 10:17am“I am a compulsive liar American. I was born this way, I should be allowed to lie in court.” What thats not accepted yet….. Hmm well I guess so I wont feel the odd man out for walking around shouting that, I will have to change how America sees me… well more like force them to accept me……
asexual “I was born this why I should be allowed to marry myself.”
bisexual “Born this way marry both man and woman”
real doll lover “born this way marry doll”
serial killers “born this way kill kill kill”
arsonist “born this way, fire rules”
pedophile “born this way kids are HOT!!”
kleptomaniac “this way… steal… crap”
How many times have you seen someone stand up proclaiming they were a kleptomaniac or compulsive liar American and that they had rights because they were born that way. How many times have you heard people claim their sins as their own in a good way. “I am a adulterer American.“ ”I am a false witness American“ ”I am a jealous American.” Then they lobby the government to be more accepting of them….. One could say you could be born wanting to do everything that you do in life, kill, rape, pillage but that doesn’t mean you just accept it and do it. Beast lovers and kid lovers are born wanting to play with both but we expect them not to. “This is my gay friend Bobby.“ ”This is my cow lover friend Bobby.”
Report Post »You should not make it easier for people to accept their sins, and since you dont in all cases that makes you illogical.
vaman
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 10:18amThe victimized christian again. For those that are gay, it’s not a choice, but being a christian is. It would be appropriate to act accordingly. Live and let live. What two consenting adults do with their life is their business. Certainly not for you to judge or to prohibit. It doesn’t affect you, so don’t worry about it.
Report Post »aubobo
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 11:49amVaman,
Report Post »Let me give you my most “loving” response to this situation. There are a couple of ways to look at this issue. The first is from a Christian perspective. You are absolutely correct in saying that one has a “choice” in being a Christian (Calvinist doctrine aside), but I would make the argument that all actions and lifestyles are choices. I choose every action I engage in, right or wrong. As a Christian I am called to judge other believers but not non-believers. I can tell you that God (according to the bible) believes the homosexual lifestyle (not homosexuality) to be wrong, that’s all. However, for the unredeemed the details don’t matter since they are burdened with sin of all kinds anyways, so why dwell on one in particular. It is my duty to share that there is redemption available for all, it is your job, as a non-believer (speculation based on other posts) to either act on that news or not. At least that’s the way I see it from a Christian perspective.
From a more pragmatic perspective, Gay Marriage is already “legal”. No one will be arrested for having a marriage ceremony recognizing the commitment between two people of the same sex. The argument is that same sex couples want the same benefits as different sex couples. Some of these benefits, like property rights issues, hospital visitation, etc make sense to extend outside of specific contracts; however, tax breaks and other guarantees are designed for the promotion of procreation to …
aubobo
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 11:54am… sustain the nation’s growth. Same sex couples, while adoption and other complicated means are available, don’t easily offer this advantage. That‘s why from a pragmatic standpoint I don’t see any real benefit to society to giving same sex couples the same tax advantages as traditional sex couples. However, in all, I‘m not sure gov’t social engineering is really appropriate here anyways. My view is admitedly myopic, and I would be happy to hear alternative viewpoints on this.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 12:38pm@John,
There is no choice, only the illusion of choice.
Report Post »Christhefarmer
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 2:05pmThe victimized christian again. For those that are gay, it’s not a choice, but being a christian is. It would be appropriate to act accordingly. Live and let live. What two consenting adults do with their life is their business. Certainly not for you to judge or to prohibit. It doesn’t affect you, so don’t worry about it.
I could care less what people do in their own homes, it doesn’t affect me. No one prohibits same sex play. Not our place to judge…. Okay so you wouldn’t mind if me and my gf decide we are into public play and do our acts in front of your kids or mom. Doesn’t affect us…. so anyone can do anything they want to as long as it doesn’t affect others. Need to define effect. Can I have an out door strip club next to your house, can I put in a motocross track next to your home? For those that are serial killers it’s not a choice… Live let live. Fine then let us live within our beliefs and dont force yours on us, we are not forcing ours on you, we are not advocating for new laws banning gay play. We simply wish to keep the laws as they are, the way the people voted on them.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 2:53pmChris – Stop spreading the lie that homosexuality is born that way and you lefties don’t want live and let live. You want to impose your beliefs down our throats.
Report Post »LfsJrnyIsALngRd
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 3:15pm@ vaman
Report Post »Are you implying that *love* is watching a partner, friend, family member (possibly) die of aids…*tolerance*?! I suppose that doesn‘t affect their families in anyway so we just shouldn’t worry about it…right?!…Why are they teaching this lifestyle (fisting as 1 example) to innocent children in schools?!…I agree teaching children that bullying others is not acceptable, but this issue does not end there. Tell me, why do homosexuals parade down the street in their underwear, or nude (with young children in attendance) when they hold their gay pride rallies. Is that also not affecting others so we just shouldn’t worry about it?! If this is a private issue between 2 consenting adults, why is it so public?! It is quite clear that it is a comply…or else situation. Love and Tolerance do not equate to condoning our fellow mans sin(s).
Christhefarmer
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 7:10pm@Git-R-Done wow….. Sorry I feel people are born more susceptible to certain sins, it is something to overcome not embrace though… I don’t really think people are born “gay” I think gay people are born highly sexual, and highly sexual people like to act outside of normal bounds when it comes to sex. Taboos if you will. I also believe that people are born predetermined to struggle with drugs and alcohol, (i sure as hell was my first taste of a beer had my whole body craving it from then on) but we addicts don’t stand up and proudly say “I am a alcoholic America”, unless we have defeated it.
Report Post »Also you get no where in the debate just by saying “nohun your weren’t born gay, prove to me you were.” Lots of people are born wanting to do lots of things, that doesn’t mean you should do any of them though, and our society sure as hell shouldn’t make it acceptable for someone to embrace their sins. We start down this road next stops are animals and children, “What I was born this way.”
00gabooga
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:42amOur day will come Fido, it’s just around the corner. Soon NO ONE will stand in our way!
Report Post »00gabooga
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:51amFido wags his tail.
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:31amyou can MARRY any one that is of the opposite gender.
un-natural, non re productive sex is not marriage, it is a mental pathology.
NEXT?
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 8:26am“I was born this way.”
Strange how these people always have to bring this up. Oh, I know why – because it is a lie that helps them further their deviant cause.
Genetic my ass.
Report Post »JP4JOY
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 9:16amHaving worked in the entertainment industry for years where a majority of the boys were gay I concluded that it is genetic but in the same way alcoholism or a gambling addiction or any of the other “diseases” that foul the spirit is. How we deal with our afflictions is how we will honor GOD. Giving in to our afflictions is not honoring GOD but showing weakness of character. We should all strive to be the best we can be.
Report Post »robinakilt
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 10:15am@Hauschild born that way or not to me is irrelevant, do you want someone to infringe upon your Freedom and Liberty? Why do you or I have the right to tell another ADULT how to live their life as long as their life decision has no direct effect on my life or pocket? As you can show me scripture that says it is a sin I can show you scripture that says GOD views all sin the same from a lie to divorce (which is a huge problem in this country) to murder it all separates us from God!
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on March 22, 2012 at 2:55pmRobin – People have the right to determine what kinds of behavior are and aren’t acceptable in society. How does incest affect your life or pocketbook?
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