‘Geoengineering’: Global Warming Crowd Contemplates Tricks to Tweak Our Climate
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CHICHELEY, England (AP) — To the quiet green solitude of an English country estate they retreated, to think the unthinkable.
Scientists of earth, sea and sky, scholars of law, politics and philosophy: In three intense days cloistered behind Chicheley Hall’s old brick walls, where British saboteurs once secretly trained, four dozen international thinkers pondered the planet’s fate as it grows warmer, weighed the idea of reflecting the sun to cool the atmosphere, debated the question of who would make the decision.
The unknown risks of “geoengineering” — in this case, tweaking Earth’s climate by dimming the skies — left many uneasy.
“If we could experiment with the atmosphere and literally play God, it’s very tempting to a scientist,” said Kenyan earth scientist Richard Odingo. “But I worry.”
Arrayed against that worry is the worry that global warming — in 20 years? 50 years? — may abruptly upend the world we know, by melting much of Greenland into the sea, by shifting India’s life-giving monsoon, by killing off marine life.
If climate engineering research isn’t done now, climatologists say, the world will face grim choices in an emergency. “If we don’t understand the implications and we reach a crisis point and deploy geoengineering with only a modicum of information, we really will be playing Russian roulette,” said Steven Hamburg, a U.S. Environmental Defense Fund scientist.
The question’s urgency has grown as nations have failed, in years of talks, to agree on a binding long-term deal to rein in their carbon dioxide and other greenhouse-gas emissions blamed for global warming. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the U.N.-sponsored science network, foresees temperatures rising as much as 6.4 degrees Celsius (11.5 degrees Fahrenheit) by 2100, swelling the seas and disrupting the climate patterns that nurtured human civilization.
Science committees of the British Parliament and the U.S. Congress urged their governments last year to look at immediately undertaking climate engineering research — to have a “Plan B” ready, as the British panel put it, in case the diplomatic logjam persists.
Britain’s national science academy, the Royal Society, subsequently organized the Chicheley Hall conference with Hamburg’s EDF and the association of developing-world science academies. From six continents, they invited a blue-ribbon cross-section of atmospheric physicists, oceanographers, geochemists, environmentalists, international lawyers, psychologists, policy experts and others, to discuss how the world should oversee such unprecedented — and unsettling — research.
An Associated Press reporter was invited to sit in on their discussions, generally off the record, as they met in large and small groups in plush wood-paneled rooms, in conference halls, or outdoors among the manicured trees and formal gardens of this 300-year-old Royal Society property 40 miles (64 kilometers) northwest of London, a secluded spot where Britain’s Special Operations Executive trained for secret missions in World War II.
Provoking and parrying each other over questions never before raised in human history, the conferees were sensitive to how the outside world might react.
“There‘s the ’slippery slope’ view that as soon as you start to do this research, you say it‘s OK to think about things you shouldn’t be thinking about,” said Steve Rayner, co-director of Oxford University’s geoengineering program. Many geoengineering techniques they have thought about look either impractical or ineffective.
Painting rooftops white to reflect the sun’s heat is a feeble gesture. Blanketing deserts with a reflective material is logistically challenging and a likely environmental threat. Launching giant mirrors into space orbit is exorbitantly expensive.
On the other hand, fertilizing the ocean with iron to grow CO2-eating plankton has shown some workability, and Massachusetts’ prestigious Woods Hole research center is planning the biggest such experiment. Marine clouds are another route: Scientists at the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado are designing a test of brightening ocean clouds with sea-salt particles to reflect the sun.
Those techniques are necessarily limited in scale, however, and unable to alter planet-wide warming. Only one idea has emerged with that potential.
“By most accounts, the leading contender is stratospheric aerosol particles,” said climatologist John Shepherd of Britain’s Southampton University.
The particles would be sun-reflecting sulfates spewed into the lower stratosphere from aircraft, balloons or other devices — much like the sulfur dioxide emitted by the eruption of the Philippines’ Mount Pinatubo in 1991, estimated to have cooled the world by 0.5 degrees C (0.9 degrees F) for a year or so.
Engineers from the University of Bristol, England, plan to test the feasibility of feeding sulfates into the atmosphere via a kilometers-long (miles-long) hose attached to a tethered balloon.
Shepherd and others stressed that any sun-blocking “SRM” technique — for solar radiation management — would have to be accompanied by sharp reductions in carbon dioxide emissions on the ground and some form of carbon dioxide removal, preferably via a chemical-mechanical process not yet perfected, to suck the gas out of the air and neutralize it.
Otherwise, they point out, the stratospheric sulfate layer would have to be built up indefinitely, to counter the growing greenhouse effect of accumulating carbon dioxide. And if that SRM operation shut down for any reason, temperatures on Earth would shoot upward.
The technique has other downsides: The sulfates would likely damage the ozone layer shielding Earth from damaging ultraviolet rays; they don’t stop atmospheric carbon dioxide from acidifying the oceans; and sudden cooling of the Earth would itself alter climate patterns in unknown ways.
“These scenarios create winners and losers,” said Shepherd, lead author of a pivotal 2009 Royal Society study of geoengineering. “Who is going to decide?”
Many here worried that someone, some group, some government would decide on its own to conduct large-scale atmospheric experiments, raising global concerns — and resentment if it’s the U.S. that acts, since it has done the least among industrial nations to cut greenhouse emissions. They fear some in America might push for going straight to “Plan B,” rather than doing the hard work of emissions reductions.
In addition, “one of the challenges is identifying intentions, one of which could be offensive military use,” said Indian development specialist Arunabha Ghosh.
Experts point out, for example, that cloud experimentation or localized solar “dimming” could — intentionally or unintentionally — cause droughts or floods in neighboring areas, arousing suspicions and international disputes.
“In some plausible but unfortunate future you could have shooting wars between your country and mine over proposals on what to do on climate change,‘ said the University of Michigan’s Ted Parson, an environmental policy expert.
The conferees worried, too, that a “geoengineering industrial complex” might emerge, pushing to profit from deployment of its technology. And Australian economist-ethicist Clive Hamilton saw other go-it-alone threats — “cowboys” and “scientific heroes.”
“I’m queasy about some billionaire with a messiah complex having a major role in geoengineering research,” Hamilton said.
All discussions led to the central theme of how to oversee research.
Many environmentalists categorically oppose intentional fiddling with Earth’s atmosphere, or at least insist that such important decisions rest in the hands of the U.N., since every nation on Earth has a stake in the skies above.
But at the meeting in March, Chicheley Hall experts largely assumed that a coalition of scientifically capable nations, led by the U.S. and Britain, would arise to organize “sunshade” or other engineering research, perhaps inviting China, India, Brazil and others to join in a G20-style “club” of major powers.
Then, the conferees said, an independent panel of experts would have to be formed to review the risks of proposed experiments, and give go-aheads — for research, not deployment, which would be a step awaiting fateful debates down the road.
Like Isaac Newton and Charles Darwin, John Shepherd is a fellow of the venerable Royal Society, but one facing a world those scientific pioneers could not have imagined.
“I am not enthusiastic about these ideas,” Shepherd told his Chicheley Hall colleagues. But like many here he felt the world has no choice but to investigate. “You would have a risk-risk calculation to make.”
Some are also making a political calculation.
If research shows the stratospheric pollutants would reverse global warming, unhappy people “would realize the alternative to reducing emissions is blocking out the sun,” Hamilton observed. “We might never see blue sky again.”
If, on the other hand, the results are negative, or the risks too high, and global warming’s impact becomes increasingly obvious, people will see “you have no Plan B,” said EDF’s Hamburg — no alternative to slashing use of fossil fuels.
Either way, popular support should grow for cutting emissions.
At least that’s the hope. But hope wasn’t the order of the day in Chicheley Hall as Shepherd wrapped up his briefing and a troubled Odingo silenced the room.
“We have a lot of thinking to do,” the Kenyan told the others. “I don’t know how many of us can sleep well tonight.”
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jordy2010
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:37amcloistered behind Chicheley Hall’s old brick walls, where British saboteurs once secretly trained
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I’m thinking of the movie ”The dirty dozen” when they destroyed hundreds of nazis that were gathered in a big castle………
Report Post »WhiteWoman
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:35amExtraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Report Post »walker1812
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:33amLet’s see……what should we fear most? Global warming OR global cooling. Ask a farmer!
Report Post »mark85
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:33amWhat is it with these Kenyans? They all have an urge to play God.
Report Post »ED4237
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:31amWhen will anybody learn that a man kind not that bad on the environment. These super greenheads actually think that we can influance the climate which is gaged over many thousands of years not the last 100. There so many factors that man can‘t control like the sun burns hotter or colder by a few degrees how dose that effect the weather I sure it dose but you can’t controll that. The moon plays a role by controling the tides and other things tthat effect life that is out of your control. The radicals that they in the green movement that they are don’t belive in god but yet think they are god when talking about sending our hard earned money to idots in Africa. There it is there god money and control. We need jobs here in America and need fuel which we have coal, gas and oil if we are allowed to get it.
Report Post »mickrussom
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:28amOne we restore freedom and liberty in 2012 , rat vermin scum like these AGW rats will be on the run and we can get back to building the future and not these traitor research grants and political hacks.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 2:49pmif we can avoid another turd…4 turds in a row now with obama
Report Post »smalldog
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:25am“Richard Odingo” – Kenyan Scientist?
Is this a cousin of Obama? Related to Aunt Zaituni who was afraid to return to Kenya and was granted political asylum in the U.S.? Aunt Zaituni who live on public benefits and had hundreds of dollars to send to her nephew’s political campaign?
Where is the statute to Barack H. Obama Sr.? For all this contributions to bettering Kenya’s future?
Report Post »chasbronson
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:04pmWondered the same thing.
Report Post »Tek
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:23amThis is why the climate hystericy movement needs the young people. They don‘t remember that we cut sulfur dioxide emissions in refineries back in the 80’s to combat acid rain! Now we’re gonna pump it back IN to the atmosphere! Why not just tell the refineries to let loose if sulfur dioxide is a GOOD thing?
Report Post »JCofPA
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:16amGod must have a sense of humor. That is.. I hope God has a sense of humor. – Hold the phone, paint our roof tops white to reflect heat? I thought that was where our BLACK solar panels were suppose to go for green alternative energy… can these earth huggers make up their minds?
Report Post »Grasshopper42
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:15amRomans 1:22 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”. Keep your hands off of my planet. Proverbs 16: 25 “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.” I know, get off of my planet!
Report Post »Spyder
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:11amThey are already bioengineering our climate with things like HAARP as just one example. The thing super-heats the ionosphere. You don‘t think that’s helping to heat up the climate and feed their faulty data? Wake up climate people. There are machines that are causing the problems that you are trying to create machines to solve. So you’re either a Sneech with a star, or one without… once again.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:10amAre you serious?
This has been news for years.
Decades!
You’re just NOW going to address this issue, right now?
How convenient.
They’ve been spraying that chemtrail crap on us from planes for decades now.
Why start talking about it now, because you can use it as a bludgeon against your political opponents?
Disingenuous, to say the least.
Report Post »football lady
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:08amAnd these people have how much credibility? Nadda, Zero!!!!
Report Post »Thunderstorm 316
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:07amSo it is O.K. to play God but their is no God? People it is time turn to Jesus for time is short.
Report Post »tmkphx1962
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:06amWho is to determine the ideal temperature of the Earth? The Earth has been a lot warmer and colder. During the middle ages the Earth was warmer and humans thrived. Evidence has been found that there was once farming on Greenland. I for one do not believe these people. They have a political and monetary agenda. Of course they want to bring the UN into this. I do not think the world is warming. I want to know where the data comes from and I want to see the raw data. I would like to know where these supposed measurements are coming from. What do the stations look like. I have seen too many photos of weather stations sitting next to air conditioners and other places where it will be very warm. Are there any of these stations in areas with grass? Or in the mountains? What are the condition of the equipment in places around the world. And what about cheating. We heard of the warmest October in history only to come to find that oooops, we used the numbers from September by mistake. I do not trust any of this.
Report Post »mikee1
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:05amNorth America has just experienced one of the worst winters in many decades. It is still very cold. And these lying, scumbag fools continue with this global warming nonsense, which back in the 70s was new ice-age nonsense after winters like we have had recently in the Midwest. Everyone with half a brain knows global warming is a scam and farce. So if you are preaching it, we know what you are.
Report Post »ISeeDanger.com
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:00amI think we should invent a “dimmer switch” for the sun.
I’m sure the Government needs a special project to spend money on, so why not.
http://www.ISeeDanger.com
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:30amI will go in partners on the Sun Dimmer Switch! Come up with a catchy name though!
Report Post »tinydd
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:51pmWell then I’m moving to Greenland where the skies are sunny all day…….
Report Post »tiredofprogressives
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:00amThese idiots need to get a real job. The government passes laws to legally take our money which we earned and is rightfully ours. This is called Taxation and then they give it to these clowns to come up with this crap and create more government work for the UNEMPLOYABLE.
This has to stop. Give me my hard earned money back to put food on my table.
Report Post »cruzinbill
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 10:58amThey never quit do they.we have a bunck of left phonies trying to steel the tax payers monies.Al Gore should be serving life in prison.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 5:21pmAmen to that!
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 10:57amI know how to stop global warming….just have everybody stop believing the lie…..problem solved…..
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 7:47pmThe problem with progressives is their agenda won’t allow them to believe anything else.
Their logic goes something like this….The sidewalk is wet there are rain cloulds above… conclusion… the sidewalk caused it to rain.
Too many academics abandoning God given reason just to hold on to priestly titles I reckon.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 10:56amSo this brilliant scientist is saying there is a God, obviously, since he wants to play God and tweak the climate. There you have it doubters, a scientist has spoken and they never lie, there is a God in charge of the universe. You may now begin to pray. Start with our soldiers who are in danger abroad and work your way to law enforcement, border guards and fire fighters. Pray for those with cancer and other horrible diseases, and those who simply need your prayers. Have a nice day and God bless.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:01pmIf they think they are God, just as Soros sees himself, then they need to learn the lesson of Herod, where he literally went to the worms before the crowds. God will not be mocked.
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:23pmGood catch Gramma!!!!!
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 1:30pmSNOW, couldn’t agree with you more. In order for him to emulate God, he admits that God made Heaven and earth, and its climate. Since the believers of global warming take science’s word that there is global warming, I think they should believe science’s word that God exists everywhere and in everything. Only God can control the universe.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 10:56amThey really do think they’re God. Oh no.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:37amThey need to remember that you can’t mess with Mother Nature!! I think they have already being doing something and that is why in the last 2 years we have had some of the biggest earthquakes ever!
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:00pmIs there any way we can just launch them off into the sun?
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 2:56pm“and literally play God, it is very tempting as scientist.” Oh that can’t possibly end well. There might be some research to be done, but they are playing with forces that they can’t even begin to understand. Let’s hope some sane heads emerge before they move forward, oh who am I kidding?
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 10:55amThey do this stuff in China with the clouds already. No surprise!
Report Post »1TrueOne55
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 1:44pmThose clouds are the extreme pollution from Coal fired electricity plants that are cheaper to build than the new “Green” power plants. And they power the new Chinese economy that builds new cities for their ancestors to live in. It worked so well for the Olympics in China that they want to export the idea to the rest of the world, just look at before, during and after pictures of Bejing.
Report Post »FreeMan5771
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 1:49pmThey do this stuff already here too, worldwide actually.
Look up once in a while. Chemtrails are real. HAARP is real.
Does climate change exist? Sure. Look at climate avearages through 1992 and then look at climate data from 1993 to the present. HAARP was turned on in ‘93. The world elite are screwing with the atmosphere and may even be able to cause earthquakes. This has been going on for at least 18 years now.
Wonder what this conference was really about? Tired of hiding it from the sheep I guess.
Report Post »stang289
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 8:37pmYes they do and they do it here also . all those so called contrails which some call chemtrails are geoengineering , watch the movie What in The World Are They Spraying by G Edward Griffin author of
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stang289
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 8:43pmJohn Holdren on Geoengineering http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXZhyf57Xyc&feature=player_embedded
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 10:55amThey will NEVER give up until they TAKE all the wealth through fees and taxes and regulations. SOCIALISM SUCKS! Period.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 2:10pmTotally agree,
There is exactly enough fresh water on this earth to sustain the existence of man as it was designed.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 2:55pmScientist + Politics = Corruption .
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 7:35pmAP article;
“…where British saboteurs once secretly trained, four dozen international thinkers pondered the planet’s fate as it grows warmer…”
Progressive double speak for how to scam the entire world.
Report Post »lovenfl3
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 10:55amThese global warming people are completely nuts. If they had their way we’d all be moving back into caves and using horse drawn buggies. That is we would, all while Al Gore flies around on his private jet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11eYGdOVnvc
Report Post »Czar Casm
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:02amWhile they‘re at it why don’t they build a tower into the heavens.
The height of arrogance.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:03amThe Charlatans are proposing a $7,500 tax credit to scrap your car and buy a “green car”.
Such an original way to destroy the Nation’s wealth! Scraping a perfectly good car reduces the value of that asset by a factor of at least 10. Such a unique way to fan the fire of inflation, while rewarding the tyrant’s cronies.
Can there be any doubt that the Tyrant’s goal is the destruction of the American Revolution!
Don’t you get it yet? The whole “Global Warming Scam” is simply an emotional argument to allow the tyrants to reward their political cronies with your hard earned money. http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:09amGlobal warming is nothing but a major fraud of the UN, and a admitted one at that by them just so they can redistribute the wealth of the world as they see fit, and into their control.
For some reason the sheer hubris of these scientists is amazing; they actually think to reengineer the worlds climate.
So what would they do if say, another series of great quakes went off and triggered massive volcanic eruptions? Or one mega volcano goes off?
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:17amWell allrighty then. I’m putting in my order for Sunshine,lolipops,rainbows and a phone call so they know what kind of weather I want.
Report Post »hersey10
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:19amMaybe they’re gonna start launching those Alex Jones weather machines . Idiots .
Report Post »MontanaRob
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:22amlovenfl3
Report Post »Posted:”If they had their way we’d all be moving back into caves and using horse drawn buggies.”
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No, these idiots would prefer that humans ceased to exist. Thay have developed a culture of self-hatred and consider eliminating the human race as their highest calling. After all…….
“If we could experiment with the atmosphere and literally play God, it’s very tempting to a scientist,” said Kenyan earth scientist Richard Odingo.” …….kind of says it all, doesn’t it?
Stoic one
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:23amI read a lot of science fiction…..the above comes from the irrational end.
Report Post »TheLascone
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:23amDon’t believe the lies !
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sWampy
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:24amThis is scary, if a liberal says they want to do something, they always know that what they are saying is the complete opposite of what they really want. They want to help blacks, while they screw them. They want to save the ocean while their policies rape it. They want to improve healthcare while all their policies destroy it. What are they really trying to do to our environment, destroy it?
Report Post »Uriel
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:27am” literally play God, it’s very tempting to a scientist,”
NO, … it’s very tempting to an evil SOB.
Report Post »Uriel
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:29amLovenfl3:
Report Post »What makes you think we’d be allowed to “enslave” horses? Or have buggies?
Sheepdog911
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:31amThese people just don’t care that their religion, Global Warming, was proven to have been demonstrated through manipulation of data and false information (lies). These people can’t even use real facts and data to come up with a logical conclusion. Why in the world would anyone trust them to manipulate the real world to come up their their idea of how things should be? I’d rather take diet advice from an obese man or woman than climate advice from these people.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:38am“God is in his heaven, all is right with the world”…Such arrogance…leave it alone!
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:40amWhile they are at it, maybe they should stop the shifting tectonic plates and stabilize the solar emissions of the sun
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:47amLet’s see….what absorbs carbon dioxide? Plants and trees and everything green! (That’s middle school science.) So let me get this straight–instead of researching ways to put Mother Nature to work , say, more effeciently, we are now going to reduce sunlight, and therefore all things green–which are actually wonderful little carbon dioxide absorbing machines. What a brilliant way to spend research time and money and destroy the food chain at the same time! But, really, in all honesty we can’t call this a “green” idea. How about “grey?” No let’s just go with “black”….
Report Post »aro5o75
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:47amYou just described Bacrock Obowma
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:53amOh, I forgot the other part of that middle school science lesson.
Plants absorb carbon dioxide, and give off……..OXYGEN.
But no matter, Take away that sunlight–that’s the quickest way to go– this is an emergency!
Report Post »We can deal with food and oxygen issues as they come up.
GETLIFE
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:57amGee ABC, I just don’t know what to DO with all of those scientific facts you just listed.
Report Post »You’re not a scientist by any chance , are you?
Seth Patriot
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:25pmHey ABC. While you might have a valid point or two you might want to study DE and F also.
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:27pmThat a boy (or girl) ABC (Another Barack Commie) – just keep spitting out the BS talking points.Man-caused global cooling/warming/change is a hoax
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:40pmThe global warming nuts are generally liberals who don.t believe in God, but are trying to play god. Of course, we should be more concerned about global cooling, which we cannot do anything about either.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 12:46pmSounds like they really do have a “GOD COMPLEX” .. they think they can control everything …
Report Post »Awakened One
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 1:05pmIt’s obvious more research has to be done. Where can I get my next government grant that can pay my 6 figure salary for the next few years?
For these kool-aid drinking scientists it’s all about the money. For the socialist/progressives, it’s all about the control politics.
But no where is it about the truth.
Report Post »Anti_Spock
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 1:11pmWe’re doomed! Just look at what happened to Dolly the sheep.
Report Post »Ashley
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 1:31pmThis is like a very bad, poorly written movie script. Sadly, these people are not playing a character in a movie . . . they actually seem to believe the nonesense they spew. And, we, The People, have to pay for this utter nonesense.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 1:35pmI’m sitting here just thinking of ways to tweak these so called global warming scientists. Here is a great place for the Republican/Tea Party Alliance to start cutting any Federal funding going to these schisters.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 2:33pmC’mon, GE has got to be in there somewhere…..
Report Post »michael48
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 2:47pmmust be running out of Tax Payer Grants…time to stir up some more fraudulant E-MAILS…
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 3:44pmThey are already plsying God with the climate. It is called HAARP. Google it
Report Post »ManThong
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 3:48pm“By most accounts, the leading contender is stratospheric aerosol particles,” said climatologist John Shepherd of Britain’s Southampton University.”
No new science here. *** u shima is already doing that.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 4:36pmWe could send Michael Moore into orbit to block out the sun. That should cool things down a few degrees.
Report Post »Michael61
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 5:53pmClimate agnostics versus Climate believers
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/climate-agnostics-versus-climate-believers/blog-264197/
Global Warming is the new phlogiston
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/global-warming-is-the-new-phlogiston/blog-261529/
Global Warming thoroughly disproved by a real scientist
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/global-warming-thoroughly-disproved-by-a-real-scientist/blog-259543/
Global Warming industry
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/global-warming-industry/blog-259213/
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics
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Michael61
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 5:56pmGlobal Warming? Global Cooling? Who knows…
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/global-warming-global-cooling-who-knows/blog-250109/
“Climate Change” craze (formerly known as “Global Warming”, formerly known as “Global Cooling”…)
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/climate-change-craze-formerly-known-as-global-warming-formerly-known-as-global-cooling/blog-249737/
I have created a bunch of blogs discussing “climate change” craze (formerly known as “global warming”, formerly known as “global cooling”, formerly known as “ozone hole”, formerly known as “pollution”, formerly known as “deforestation”, formerly known as “over-population”, formerly known as “imperialism”, formerly known as “colonialism”, formerly known as “white people guilt”, …)
I think, I have said basically everything relevant to the subject. Read it and comment please on substance.
We are at the edge of the next Ice Age. The Sun was too kind to us, and the warm period lasted for 9,000 years. We had an incredible bloom of human civilization because of that warmth. Unfortunately, it is about to be over…
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 7:56pmThese scientists need to be rounded up and treated for insanity and for having a God-complex. Some of their ideas are downright dangerous. Seeding the atmosphere with balloons? Why not give terrorists some more ideas?
By what right do they play God and save the world? These progressives (and I have absolutely no doubt that they are) think they know what is right for the rest of us. Leave the world alone and its weather will continue to fluctuate just as it has for eons. It always gets warmer, gets colder, and then reverses itself. Our present-day pollution is not going to make a whole lot of difference in the long run.
Report Post »waggie
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 8:16pmGod help us all if they start “tweaking” the climate. Why don’t we just leave it to God? He made the climate, He also controls it! Nothing happens outside of His command!
Report Post »Dale
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 8:31pmlovenfl3;
They think they can fix/control the economy – what a success – and now they want to fiddle with the climate – please save us.
Report Post »valricoslash
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 8:40pmNuts is putting it mildly. Befoe I could finish reading this dribble I had to put my hip boots on. I have never heard so much sh**in my life. As I retired USAF meterologist with 20 years experienc I doubt the crebility of these so-called scientists as they sit around the table thinking of ways that they canextractmore government grants to fund their wild-ass research and out of the universe schemes. It is my beief that GW (excuse me, “climae change”) is nothing more than a money grubbing hoax. These university scientiest make their living off perpetrating this hoax and it is time that their funds are seriously cut off. The UN sees this as a way to transfer the wealth from the western industrialized countries to the poor nations,mostly in Africa, from which many of those in charge at the UN come. My question is just whose pockets are they lining? And don’t even get me started on the biggest climate liar of them all. A peson with absolutley no scientific background whatsoever. A person who is making millions off the horax. Al “the Hypocrite” Gore. Just follow the money and it will lead you to the truth.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 10:27pmWish they would leave global warming alone.. were 20 degrees BELOW the average (not the high) here in the MIDWEST and we are SICK of WINTER.. Here’s my guess they ALREADY are experimenting.. which is why they are pretending to discuss it now to see what the blow back is going to be when they publish the papers stating what they already did.. PUT NOTHING past the wacko’s
Report Post »NotaLemming
Posted on April 3, 2011 at 11:27pmThese folks are not as nuts as they seem. They have crashed America. Listen to them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XimM2GLG038
Report Post »And after you watch that check this little tid bit of info out about these chemtrails they call them. http://yourdaddy.net/2011/03/06/usa-today-admits-jet-aircraft-exhaust-may-be-chemically-modified-to-reflect-sunlight-thats-right-chemtrails/
thepatriotdave
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:58amMy God these people are sick. I have a much better idea… How about we get our scientists to work on a more vexing problem like Earthquakes and Tsunamis. I doubt there is anything they could do about them, but it would keep them occupied and we don’t have to worry about our politicians coming after our money to help save the planet from life sustaining carbons.
BTW… You do know that the Japanese catastrophe has already been blamed on we humans and golabl warming. I swear!
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Ruler4You
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 7:00am“Tweaking” something that they don’t fully understand is actually the progressive way. In the case of the planetary atmosphere it could only result in more chaos at the surface, in a worst case scenario. That would result in more government intervention and more transfer of wealth in the form of aid and actual resources including money. Exactly what the one world government types want.
Report Post »srpatriot
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:20pmOur government is ALREADY altering our weather with Geo-Engineering. This has been going on for several years now and it’s ming-boggling that the masses don’t ask questions about the geometrically aligned “white streaks”, seen in the sky almost every day. For those who would say “these are Con-Trails”….Contrails evaporate within a few minutes. These last…last…
Check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_FOsKL_5Q
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:11pmSnow,
Report Post »The U.N.’s attempt at this Global Warming ponzi scheme such be the #1 reason for abolishing this corrupt orginazation. Of course it’s just 1 of many however.
pajamash
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 2:22pm“I’m queasy about some billionaire with a messiah complex having a major role in geoengineering research,” Hamilton said.
Now who could that be?! ; )
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 2:25pm“Many environmentalists categorically oppose intentional fiddling with Earth’s atmosphere, or at least insist that such important decisions rest in the hands of the U.N.”
Because they have such a great history of working together and being able to make decisive decisions. (please note the sarcasm within the post).
Report Post »abc
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 2:52pmThe people who are nuts are those that will censor real scientific information, including on this website, because they prefer fantasy to reality. Shame on Scott Baker for taking down respectful posting that hold a different point of view that happens to also be held by a large chunk of the population. What a joke that once again you have to rely upon censorship to keep your narrative alive. Scientists do not operate that way, but you political know-nothings apparently do.
The links to sodahead’s blog are not very accurate scientifically, although it was funny to see one of them linked to a site that I refer folks to, called skepticalscience.com. That site actually addressed a good number of sodahead’s false claims, including a few which, analyzed properly, support the current research on climate change. It is too bad that folks here do not realize just how flawed the arguments are, since they refuse to understand what mainstream scientists are saying. As long as Beck is a fan of the Koch Brothers, who fund a good bit of anti-science think tanks that are fighting carbon emssions (those chemical and energy interests keep the Koch’s from seeing the science properly), I expect to see much more censorship. Baker and Beck ought to be ashamed of their lack of integrity. You might be fooling the morons here, but the scientifically literate see you for what you are: well-paid charlatans.
Report Post »Michael61
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 2:37pm@ABC: Those sodahead blogs are mine, I just didn’t want to repost them.
I am a global warming agnostic (although I have been driving Toyota Echo for 10 years which makes 40 miles per gallon, I always recycle everything, and I do not pollute). I am not paid by anybody. I don’t believe anybody without real facts. Don’t give me bull about “expert consensus” or “everybody knows” please…
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts” – Richard Feynman
Fact: There is global warming of course caused by natural cycles (just remember Ice Ages, big and small) plus SOME influence of human activity. Those “experts” who completely ignore natural causes are well paid by the environmental lobby (i.e. SOCIALISTS who changed their color from red to green), it is the whole industry of global warming. Those “experts” who completely ignore human influence on climate are well paid by the energy and oil lobby (i.e. CAPITALISTS). The truth is in the middle somewhere as usual.
Read my blogs please, including scepticalscience.
Report Post »Michael61
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 4:05pm“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts” – Richard Feynman
Talking about Geo-engineering. Read it and weep:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth’s surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis had mixed support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles, and a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s.
An April 28, 1975 article in Newsweek magazine was titled “The Cooling World”, it pointed to “ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change“ and pointed to ”a drop of half a degree [Fahrenheit] in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968.“ The article claimed ”The evidence in support of these predictions [of global cooling] has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it.” The Newsweek article did not state the cause of cooling; it stated that “what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery” and cited the NAS conclusion that “not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.”
The article mentioned the alternative solutions of “melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting Arctic rivers” but conceded these were not feasible. The Newsweek article concluded by criticizing government leaders: “But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies…The longer the planners (politicians) delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.” The article emphasized sensational and largely unsourced consequences – “resulting famines could be catastrophic”, “drought and desolation,“ ”the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded”, “droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons,“ ”impossible for starving peoples to migrate,“ ”the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age.”
On October 23, 2006, Newsweek issued a correction, over 31 years after the original article, stating that it had been “so spectacularly wrong about the near-term future” (though editor Jerry Adler claimed that ‘the story wasn’t “wrong” in the journalistic sense of “inaccurate.”‘).
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