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Georgia Megachurch Pastor Tells Congregation He’s Gay
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From WSB-TV:
ROCKDALE COUNTY, Ga. — The pastor of a Rockdale County megachurch has publicly announced he is gay.Jim Swilley, bishop of Conyers’ Church in the Now, said he hopes his coming out will change attitudes toward homosexuality.“I know a lot of straight people think it is a choice. It is not.”
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Comments (491)
BurntHills
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:09amas simple as the choice of giving in to his wild deviate fantasies or not. sick sick.
Report Post »DeclareTruth
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:02amHe is placing his preferences before God’s Law. He is trying to justify himself by saying that it isn’t a choice. That’s just wrong. Whether to breathe is not a choice. What race you are born is not a choice. What gender you are born is not a choice. What you do with it is nothing BUT a choice. My guess is that for him to have the colossal nerve to appear before the church and say he’s gay just means that this church has not been hearing the Word of God in the first place. I just looked up this church online and their website has sections about their vision and about their pastor and about how to watch them via livestreaming and how to donate, but NOTHING about what they believe. That’s what I was expecting. Doesn’t that pretty much tell the story?
Report Post »mickgoblin
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:00amGod doesn’t love all people. Grace ends where hell and the lake of fire begins!
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:22amI agree, except I do believe that God loves everyone of his creations and doesn’t want to send them to the lake of fire, but will if they don‘t turn to Him and be redeemed by His only Son’s blood. We serve a wonderful, wild, dangerous, loving, merciful, fair and just God! No one will have an excuse not to be redeemed just a choice not to be.
Report Post »Huckabee Gingrich 12
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:42amFor God so loved THE WORLD that He gave…
Report Post »He does love everyone. Even a dolt like you.
clhathaway
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 7:08amI agree. But let’s not forget that the idea that God chooses whom to EFFECTUALLY love and save goes all the way back to Augustine. It’s a doctrine of Reformed Protestantism. I don’t believe it, but that doiesn’t make it ridiculous.
Report Post »mickgoblin
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:20amRevelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
God is Just. No Free Love God exists. God loves the elect and hates the damned.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:41pmMickgoblin,
Predestination is a doctrine from the pit of hell. God loves all sinners and calls ALL men to repentance. That favorite verse you believers of predestination use about Jacob has been twisted to mean that some are destined to be damned, and it is an outright lie. God does not predestine; he foreknows, because he does not live in time, but in eternity. Jesus also knew what Judas would do.
The gospel (good news) is for WHOEVER believes. That encompasses all sinners. Hell was created for the devil and his angels. They were not offered grace because they willfully rejected God. Humankind was deceived. I always tell people like you that you have no idea how horrific hell really is. If you did, you would not claim that some people are PREdestined for hell. A god who practices predestination is a Roman deity; one whose judgment is based on whim, not selfless love and justice. Learn the character of God: He is no RESPECTER OF PERSONS.
BTW, your gospel does not constitute “good news.” It is the most horrific news one can imagine. Tell the Lord to give you a one-second vision of hell like I had. That will suffice to change your mind.
Report Post »REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:02pmKRYPTONITE – Do you attend a church? If so, name?? I’m interested… well, I’m not interested in attending, but a LOT of what “you” say is what I believe… and I find SO few who believe the Bible. Do you believe that we must keep the 10 Commandments? Do you know who Israel is(modern day Israel that is) when it speaks of Israel in the New Testament? Do you believe in Sabbath-keeping? Do you understand God’s plan for mankind?
Report Post »REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:18pmYou are wrong, MICKGOBLIN… so so wrong. He would never have sent his only begotten son to die on a cross for the likes of this unruly earthen people if He didn’t love us with every ounce of His being. He created us for a purpose… if you knew that purpose, I promise you, you’d never say what you just said. To think God doesn’t love ALLmankind, every sinful one, you may as well stick yet another spear in the side of Jesus. His blood was shed for YOUR sins. His flesh was ripped from his bones for YOUR healing. When Jesus took upon himself all the sins of the world, God could not look upon Him and… in a sense, did forsake Him, due to the sin. So, to say God doesn’t love everyone, really is a big, hard slap in his face.
Report Post »osbo45
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:59amI can’t even begin to contemplate just how lost his parishioners must feel right now. They were relying on this man for spiritual enlightenment and he totally betrayed them. How sick!
Report Post »ToddBall
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:56amAbove all I htink God wants ‘Truth” and the Man is an example of that in a very difficult situation to say the least.
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:48pmHow did he betray them? He faithfully served them up to this point, what says he can no longer do that?
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:57amJust because we have a president with no morals and agenda that would destroy America…it does not seem right that every clown who has a disorder needs to confess it to the world….get some help and stop with the confessions…..keep it to yourself….I don’t go around saying what I am or am not..find a job in a strip joint.
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:27pmYou are sick. That’s all I have to say.
Report Post »westy98530
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:50amWhoa, fellas. What exactly is the problem here? The man says he’s a homosexual. So what? His Wife doesn’t seem to have a problem with it, and neither does his family. Take a lesson. Desires and impulses that come beyond a person’s control are BY DEFINITION -NEVER- sinful. How we choose to act on them is what makes it a sin. Go recheck your Bibles. Homosexual orientation is not a sin, only homosexual actions. If a person is born with homosexual proclivities, that’s his cross to bear, no different than if he was born with any other psychological issues. (BTW, homosexuality was listed as a legitimate psychological disorder in the DSM before political correctness took it out). How he chooses to handle it is what matters, and from what I can tell from the video, this pastor has handled it admirably. He has accepted his condition, found a supportive wife, and built a moral life, all in spite of his burden. How can anyone berate him for this? He should be held up as an example of overcoming your burdens, rather than succumbing to them.
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:09amIf ou liten to the clip he got a divoice from his wife because she said they were not real. His wife does not support him in this.
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Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:49amI agree that being homosexual is not a choice, being gay is. There is a big differance between the two. homosexuals do not have to be gay. Being gay is accepting a lifestle and set of values which are interwined with the gay agenda. A homosexual makes a choice to accept all of that to be come gay. Believe it or not a striaght person can make the same choice and not be homosexual. The lifestyle is against everything that God created us for and the natural use of men and women. We as Christians need to put Christ first, even the homosexual, and live our lives with honor and with Godly values. If we don’t and put ourselves first then we make a mockery of God and His creation. God said He wil not be mocked.
I don’t hate homosexuals at all, I do hate their lifestyle, values, morality, and agenda. However, it is up to God to deal with them, I am not God and He is who they are offending not me.
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Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:00amSorry, Joseph, I don’t see your point. Are you saying that it is OK, for example, for a homosexual to marry another homosexual?
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:25pmWhat are the values, lifestyles, morals and agenda?
Report Post »REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:52pmTOTALLY AGREE, JF! Well said! It doesn’t matter, when you get down to it though, whether they’re homosexual, gay, or something else… while we don’t have to accept the lifestyles associated with gay people, we also should not be accepting of the lifestyles of fornicators, idolators, those who break God’s Sabbath, and such… just to name a few. Commandment-breakers… in a nut-shell. Again, we’ve all sinned, and in God’s eyes, sin is sin… no matter the sin, it’s all evil to Him and He alone will judge. Thankfully though, Christ paid for our sins, and all will have an opportunity to repent and be cleansed of their sins and learn right from wrong, not just what’s right in their own eyes. What mercy God has for us, huh? Thank you, Lord! We should all be so grateful for his mercy on us. We all deserve death.
Report Post »cap01
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:52pm“I don’t hate homosexuals at all, I do hate their lifestyle, values, morality, and agenda.”
You say you’re not offended, but you sound pretty offended. Homosexual is a technical term, and gay is more colloquial. What you’re saying is unbelievably…bizarre. That‘s like me saying that I don’t mind you, but I think your morals, values, aspirations, and your day-to-day life choices are evil and despicable. Stop putting your bigotry on God – it’s all yours.
Report Post »No_Tyranny
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:47amThe Bible says many will be mislead in Christs’ name. Homosexuality is sin just as all other forms of sin the Bible describes. What concerns me is this misleading; Satan always twists the gospel just enough to make people feel they are still saved from damnation. We are/will see much more ‘falling away’ as apostasy will grow in the church. If your church considers itself an ‘emergent church’ be very careful. Don’t give your blind trust over to the messenger; study the Bible for yourself.
Report Post »Jamestown
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:43amJesus was talking to those who put up witth the sin calling discernment “JUDGEMENTAL…
Report Post »ToddBall
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:46amShame on some of you for your judgmental comments..Very Un-Christian like of you! I am a Conservative,but not crazy judgmental Conservative like some.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:58amWell, aren’t you something very special. I suppose if a pervert raped your daughter, you would not judge him?
Report Post »ToddBall
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:54amHugh Whitefang?…. What does that have to do with a grown adult living a life within the Law without judgment? Let God be the judge in the End on lifestyle issues and not you WhiteFang,I htink he would want it that way ok? Goodluck.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:51amTo Toddball:
This is what the Bible says: “It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife. You have become arrogant and have not mourned… so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst… I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. … Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?… I wrote you … not to associate with immoral people; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, … But … with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler–not even to eat with such a one. … Do you not judge those who are within the church?… REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (1 Cor. 5)
So who is Paul admonishing, those who expose immorality in the Church, or those who put up with sin because they don’t want to be “judgmental”?
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 9:32amWhen I hear any use the term judgmental as you do -it is like fingernails on a chalkboard of slate.
Report Post »We are commanded are we not to test all things? We are commanded to use righteous judgement.
Is it those who have responded who judge this wicked man –or do his own actions judge him?
dkhartman
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 10:07amThanks Kryptonite, I really appreciate you bringing this up.
Report Post »steen
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 10:51amI believe that Toddball’s point is that Christians are directed to judge between truth and false truths (lies) in their lives. This is very different from judging someone’s future afterlife destination–a tempting past time, but one that carries certain specific admonitions. We are directed to forgive and pray for those who spitefully use us.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 12:08pmWhatever a person believes has ablolutely no effect on fact. It should be the other way around, but in our selfishness and mistaken beliefs we make the truth compatible to our own beliefs. This may be the modern worlds most egregious sin. Just as time always proves the truth, it always exposes the lie. The lie that God‘s will is flexible and can be adjusted to conform to our selfish needs is Satan’s most successful and insidious presentation. Soon there will be no men of God IN the church at all. It is prophesied. I believe it. I see it happening.
Report Post »REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:29pmGood one, Krytonite – thanks for bringing this up. He’s speaking to the church. Those within the church who are not IN the church. The church is one body with different members, but all members must be in unity, working together for one purpose. God gives the mission, or the purpose. Christ is the head of the church, with that church striving for one thing, perfection, to become white, purified, so that they may qualify to be the bride of Christ at his 2nd coming. If you have one, or several in the church who are dissident, or… trying to cause division, not keeping God’s laws, they must be removed, and those who remain in the church must stay away from them, not talk to them. This has been a problem for ages. Christ started His church (one church, not many churches). It had one government with Christ as the Head(of course), with God’s law and government established over it. If any cause division among you, we must pray for them, pray they repent and return to the fold, but… until then, they’re not to participate with church members. It’s all out of love. It hurts, it stings, but it’s out of love for the person, it‘s out of love for God’s law and His government first and foremost. I think this is what these scriptures are referring to.
Report Post »mikemorrison281
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:46amFornication and adultery are things men and women are born wanting to do at some point in their lives…doesn’t make it a “right” choice, does it?
Report Post »hongotchi
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:39amWow… what a tolerant group we have here on theblaze! Having same gender attraction is not a sin. Acting physically on that kind of attraction would be, but by my reading of the bible, so is acting on heterosexual attraction outside of marriage. Regardless, having the attraction is not a choice, and I wouldn’t wish that burden on anyone.
Report Post »It is terrible that there are kids committing suicide because they struggle with this. You may not agree with his choice to go public, but it’s hard to doubt his motives. It’s obviously not going to help his livelihood. I admire his courage to come forward considering all he has to lose.
westy98530
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:51amWell said.
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:02amI have to agree well said. With one exception we can know his heart because the last statement that was said about if he was to have to leave the church because the people did not accept him, then he would go to the gay churches. That means he has imbraced the gay lies and the lifestyle and sees himself taking part in it. If these people won’t accept that then he will go where there are people that will.
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Chett
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:13amthank you for the bit of common sense needed here sometimes.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:08amhongotchi said: “Having same gender attraction is not a sin. Acting physically on that kind of attraction would be…”
I beg to differ with you and Longhorn Mama. The definition of sin as an outward act is not Biblical. Jesus told his disciples, “But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matt. 5:28). That makes it very easy to sin, but we are a fallen race after all. Sin was born in the heart of Satan: “But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven,” (Is. 14:13) That is why to walk in the light we need to let the Word of God convict us, i.e., “judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” (Heb. 4: 12) Jesus holds his followers to a higher standard than just their words or actions.
Report Post »IndyPAGirl
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:37pmI agree. I’ve known kids who were fighting this feeling of being different before they were old enough to understand what sexuality is. To tell them that God hates them because they have feelings for someone of their own gender is an abomination. God loves us all. I have never seen in my Bible that God chooses any particular group of people to hate. If you don’t agree with homosexuality, fine. As Christians, you should be loving the homosexual anyway, and keeping your nose out of his/her bedroom. It is between God and them, not for us to judge. If nothing else, respect one another as humans, and citizens of this wonderful free country (until it no longer is).
Report Post »newsflea
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:36amDivine Love meets every human need.
Report Post »Take me to the river, cleanse my soul, put my feet on the ground. Hoooyaah !
bullcrapbuster
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:32amThis guy should resign and let someone take over who can lead by the spirit . He is right God does love all people but he is selective about who is best qualified to guide his followers. Homosexual acts are condemned in both the old and new testament,as are adultery and fornication etc.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:50amHe does not need to resign. The people who stay in that church needs to resign! They need to get out of there and find a real Christian congregation.
Report Post »jstan442
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:32amhe is a lost soul–homosexuality is an abomination to God and forbidden Gen.2:24 ,Lev. 18:22-24,Lev.29:13,Romans1:24-27,1st Cor. 6:9,1 Tim.1;26,Rev 21:8,Rev. 22:16–if God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow and never changes then His laws are the same yesterday,today and tomorrow and never change-the problem is our sinfulness -the church is failing-it is going into apostasy-denying the Word of God and the Way of God
Report Post »In God We Trust
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:25amAmen!
Report Post »uv
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 6:30pmSRH: Wow.
Report Post »Such anger about the subject.
Christ has come and established the new covenant with the Father. Peter was instructed by Christ to bring the message of salvation to the Jew first; the Gentile after. Thus Christians do not uphold Jewish law. And remember that there is no longer a temple for the Jews, not since @ 70 AD, thus no animal sacrifices continue. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice and no other blood can cleanse but his. Peter was granted the understanding that all animals are given to man to be used for food. No longer was there to be a distinction between clean and unclean; Acts 10:15. All the Lord has given is good, but, there are sins that are distinguishable, considered to be unworthy acts of mankind. And homosexuality is one of these sins.
aaron11
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:31amThat “mega church” bankrupt in 3..2..
Report Post »china clipper
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 8:01amIf I went to church, it would be a small one. I look at megachurches as religious pimp farms that hustle for members. They’re commercial enterprises.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:30amWe can just leave well enough alone – he will answer to a higher power one day – he can‘t fool him and he certainly can’t bypass him. Sorry lowlife scums that totally wreck others lives.
Report Post »Huckabee Gingrich 12
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:33amHigher power…no. We will all answer to the HIGHEST Power.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:53am@Huckabee
True. He will judge everyone, for good or bad on the same day.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:28amIt is a choice.
Specifically, it is an ineffective reparative drive to assert one’s gender identity.
The Meaning of Same-Sex Attraction
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benditlikebeck
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:27amBravo
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:26amWhat is next that society will have to tolerate? How about bestiality? Maybe that is not a choice either, or child molesters, they cant help it, they have no choice in the matter. Hey, lets accept bank robbers, they cant help it either. Nobody is at fault for their perversions, whatever you want to do is now OK. I wonder how our Creator considers these sins. Oh, yeah I think we know, its in the Bible.
Report Post »tea bagging patriot
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:41amThank you white fang,
I think some people have a hard time understanding that a consensual relationship between two adults is exactly the same as raping children and animals.
RavenGlenn
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:05amAs idiotic as you are patriot, I kind of lean to agree with your sarcasm on this issue. Homosexuality is not comparable to beastiality, pediphilia, or other such crimes. The two adults engaging in homosexuality have free choice to do so. If you believe they are going to hell for it, then so be it, but they have every right to do so.
Now, if this church has no problem with this man leading the congregation as such, then fine. If they do have a problem with it, then that’s cool too. Otherwise, this has no effect whatsoever on the rest of us, and we shouldn’t be bothered with such insignificant matters. This is something for that church to worry about.
For those that are bashing this man for his choice: Grow up. Your own faith teaches that it isn’t you place to judge anyone. If he’s going to hell, then that is a choice for God to decide. If he is sinning, that is God’s decision to make.
Leave it be unless you are directly involved.
Report Post »lbteacher
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 6:34amThey claim its not a choice so they can get a free pass to be corrupt. What about the heterosexual minded man who commits adultery? Can he say that he doesn’t have a pass?
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:14pmHomosexuality is not even close to comparable with bestiality and pedophilia. I have never heard of a person who claims to be born attracted to animals, that’s cult stuff. Pedophilia is an exertion of power over a victim by a psychopath or sociopath, these people are not ok. You have probably encountered so many homosexuals in your life who you accepted as good people because you didn’t know. Your lack of tolerance saddens me.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:24amJust have to think that IF it was not a choice, the Bible would not call it an abomination. You would think the Creator knows how we are made.
Report Post »Johnny Mac
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:23amThe church needs revival in the worst way….
Report Post »Jamestown
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:08amMan I hear you JOHNNYMAC…”Hermeneutic…discipline is tracing the scriptures back to the original manuscripts…before editing and alterations…but think a moment about Moses leading Israel out of Egypt…forty years of witnessing miracles every single day…and none entered the promised land…we need disciplined Churches and pastors…
Report Post »uv
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 6:14pmSadly it is not the Church that needs reviving. The Church is Christ; never-changing. It is the follower that needs reviving. Got your point though.
Report Post »Veritas
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:19amI guess men who think little children are hot and sexy don’t have a choice either? I can not believe a real man of God can think this way. He has been influenced by Satan. We all, who truly believe, know that Satan wants to corrupt those who are looked to as our Christian leaders more than anyone else. This would be an example of that!
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:27amHe is a false shepherd. Beware of sheep in wolves clothing.
Report Post »Jamestown
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:23amI know ..I know we will just rewrite the sxriptures so they mean what we want them to mean….sounds like an obama voter doesn’t it…
Report Post »Jamestown
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:23am@KYRPTONITE….Isaid that wrong sorry snowleopard…th word “rapture” is not in the scriptures…the gathering together unto Him does not happen until the son of petdition is revealed and the apostacy…that is what I thought snowleopard was saying…this common day pre tribulation rapture as it is called IMHO is false doctrine…2nd Thessalonians Ch 2 vs 1-15
Report Post »Jamestown
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:34amMy BROTHER Kryptonite…please don’t we both agree that neither of us should go with anyone claiming to be Christ unti we are in that spiritual Body…we both understand this…
Report Post »SRH
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:12amYour hate disgusts me!
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:09pm@Veritas Pretty scary that you think you’re truth. Child molesters aren’t actually attracted to their victims, they’re psychopaths or sociopaths who rape to exert power over their victims. These people are sick and need to be distinguished from homosexuals, who are simply people.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:59pmJamestown,
If you are talking about FOLLOWING someone who declares himself to be Messiah, no way! The word RAPTURE does not exist in the Bible, but neither does the word TRINITY, and yet we know that Elohim (God) is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Rapture is just a vernacular term. If that bothers you, then we can be strictly scriptural and say “snatching away” which is the term used in 1 Thess. 4:17. Nobody is going to fly or follow. We will be transformed and transported.
Are you going to allow the world, and its twisting of the Word to take away your HOPE, Jamestown? Think of this: the manifestation of the antichrist cannot occur in the presence of the Church because the Evil One CANNOT control the world while the Holy Spirit is working through the Church. The Church is the salt of the earth, thus the earth cannot suffer the corruption of evil incarnate while we are present. More importantly, it is God’s JUDGMENT on the unbelieving world. The Bride of Christ will not be judged (Kontrarian, I disagree with you on that one point). Our WORKS will be judged by CHRIST, but we are saved from the judgment of GOD the Father by the blood of Christ. Otherwise, you would be invalidating the atonement work of Jesus.
Don’t let the world take away your HOPE, Jamestown. Jesus will snatch us away, like a thief in the night. Those who stay and realize their mistake, will have to die (be martyred) for it. Once we depart to celebrate the marriage supper of the Lamb, the grafting back of the Jews begins, and the last Holocaust (two thirds of Israel) and world war (antichrist’s revelation) will ensue. That will be far uglier than anything we are currently experiencing. Obama is just a precursor, set on earth by the forces of evil to bring America down so the One World Order can be implemented, but we do not know that he will succeed. God determines that.
Report Post »GardenoftheGods
Posted on November 3, 2010 at 11:42am@SRH
Report Post »Sorry, I didn’t see a lot of hate in these posts–I see people who are trying to agitate, I see people who are trying to explain Christian theology; and then I see people who are confused. I haven’t thus far seen anyone who advocates going out & hurting gays, bisexuals, or lesbians. As for me, I leave others’ behaviors to be judged by GOD alone; and try to live my life in a way that is pleasing to the Lord. I do have one question about homosexuality that puzzles me…why do gays feel it is imperative to shove their sexual decisions into the face of America? I don’t make sure everyone I meet knows that I am a heterosexual–it‘s no one’s business but mine; and the Lord’s. Why do they feel it is so important that the first thing I see is their homosexuality?
Psychosis
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:12amsure its a choice……………you think those alter boys are cute , and you cant control yourself hence you have no choice……………pig
Report Post »tea bagging patriot
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:38amExactly Psychosis,
Because all true american patriots know that all homosexuals are pedophiles.
snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:01amHaving been the victim of a pedophile, I understand first hand just how much damage one of these personality-lacking (!!!) can do to a child. Today I still have to deal with a hot rage at the mearest mention of someone doing Anything to a child, only God helps me to do so, and still it is difficult to do.
Report Post »kontrarian
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:12amSo true; homosexuals, probably because they have already thrown off the societal restraints meant to discourage this unbefitting behavior that damages families and nations, do have a propensity for pedophelia.
Report Post »Jamestown
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:55am@Kryptonyte…” A time, A Times, And Half A Time…that’s 3.5 yrs not seven…The Christ shorteed the days fo the elect sake…Matt 24 ..also it s shorter than that …”The Day of the Locust…5.5 Months….read Ezekiel 13 …“WOE TO YOU WHO TEACH MY CHILDREN TO FLY ” …and I did not assume Snowleopard believed the comon day teaching of pre trib raptur…it was infered…..you are my friend Kryptonite…you just don’t realize it yet….the jews…tribe of Judah…did not recognize the key of david…who the Christ is…
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:07amJamestown,
Those three and a half years refer to the Antichrist, not to the Bride of Christ. As to the Jews rejecting Christ, that is true, but Jesus is going to rule from Jerusalem. He spoke as a Jew and ministered as a Jew, and SEVEN is the number of God. Hey, brother, when Jesus comes for you, just be glad you were spared!
Report Post »kontrarian
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 8:19amThe Jews are Jesus’ chosen people and He will fulfill his covenant with them, including dwelling with them on Earth. He’s not fickle and He keeps His word. The 7-year Tribulation is the number of years remaining in the Jewish Dispensation that has been forestalled until the Church Age ends. After Israel signs the peace treaty with Antichrist, the clock starts ticking on those 7 years, during which the Jews will recognize Jesus as their Christ and will witness for Him to the entire world. At the conclusion of the Tribulation, Jesus returns to defeat His enemies at the Battle of Armageddon and sets up His 1000-year reign.
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:01pm@psychosis Learn how to (1) think rationally and (2) spell (it’s altar boys). Gay is gay. He was that way before he was ordained, he’s that way now.
Report Post »REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:35pm@ Kontrarian’s last post – HUH??? What Bible do you get all this from? 7 yrs? I’ve heard that before, but… what you’re claiming here is not in the King James Bible. Just wondering….
Report Post »lbteacher
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:11amOh coming out to help the children….. Just so sweet….. BLAH I think I am going to throw up!
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:03amHe is not gay.
Report Post »He is BI
Jamestown
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:05am@SNOWLEAPORD…you are exacly right it is mid tribulatin rapture not pre tribulation which approximately 89.7% of churches teach…EZEKIEL Ch 13 …We do not judge but we are to discern the truth…this is the blending in…the apostacy started log ago…most reject the truth….false doctrine churches like baptist, roman catholic…black liberation …we can plant a seed of truth…butdust yourself off and scoot…they do not hear us…
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:30amJamestown,
Snowleopard said he doesn’t believe in the Rapture. Listen, I am not going to argue about such a sensitive doctrinal issue, but I will leave you with this thought: Jesus came in the flesh as a Jew, and we are his Bride. In Jewish tradition, when the bridegroom came for his bride, he did so unannounced, snatched her away, took her to the home his father had prepared for them, and they celebrated their honeymoon for seven days. God is amazingly precise in all his typologies and the Jewish wedding/Rapture is no exception. I am not going to cut my heavenly honeymoon in half, brother. Full seven years for me!
Report Post »Fudd the wabbit hunter
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:09amOh, I’m not going to judge you…God will take care of that.
Report Post »Daniel in Denver
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:31amThe choice comes to live a homosexual lifestyle or not. Will he follow himself or will he follow Jesus, this is the question.
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:55am@ Danile in Denver
I agree that is the real choice they have to make. God always gives grace and mercy to be free we have to choose sin. Sexual sin no matter what form it takes is a choice. Lifestyle is also a choice too.
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longhorn mama
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:01amJesus paid the price for this sin, too. But he should no longer be a pastor. The desire is an illness, probably a combination of environmental and genetic. But we all have sinful desires. Following through with it is the sin. He should get therapy. He should contact NARTH for help. Hate the sin. not the sinner.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:01amMaybe this supports the nature over nurture thing. Oh well.
Report Post »rebel
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:28amoh come on people. love the sinner hate the sin. now if the church allows him to continue pastoring i have a problem with it, but then again it’s not my church.
Report Post »Side note: coming out during service might not have been the best thing. He should’ve discussed that with his deacons or elders before using service time.
kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:38amSometimes it is a stronghold. Some gays I know were never able to relate to their dads. Sexual assault can also lead to bondage. And there are some cases where curiosity killed the cat.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:50amHomosexuality like many parts of the human lifestyle is a free choice, there is nothing in the genetic codes that makes someone gay by nature. Each of us is free to choose it or reject it as we see fit, the power of choice is maong the greatest gifts God has given humanity (after Jesus)
@Tea Bagging Patriot – sorry to disappoint you, no rapture happens, when Christ comes back, He is the one who raises the sleeping dead, and transforms the living of the faithful in Christ unto the eternal life promised. And all shall see and hear his return. So no rapture.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:51am@Longhorn mama
Exactly, the sinner (all of us) do not judge, just do not condone the actions anyone does that is in the wrong biblically.
Report Post »finwe
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:07amSorry Jim, it is a choice. No matter how long you repeat the lies of the Devil, it will always be a choice. Satan seeks to take away your right to choose as justification for being gay and it only works if you let it.
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:49amIts a disorder,period. Research proves theres no such thing as a gay gene.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:53amStrange, though; my heterosexuality sure doesn’t feel like a choice. I don’t recall making the decision, or having to make an effort to maintain it.
Whatever. I’m not going to argue over things that have absolutely no impact on my life… call me selfish.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:14am@ROBERT W
“Its a disorder,period. Research proves theres no such thing as a gay gene.”
Actually, it isn’t proven… the human genome may be mapped structurally, but functionality is still wide open and discoveries are being made and disputed all the time. We don’t even understand our own brains completely. We can’t even figure out exactly why we yawn, or what triggers “contagious” yawning in mammals.
Don’t go there, please. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. As a religious person, you should understand this most of all; your own faith is “disproven” using the exact same logic, yet you would argue the opposite there, wouldn’t you? If you can’t stick to your argument in all instances, don’t use it.
Sometimes it’s best to just keep your fingers away from your keyboard, man…
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:29amWow, so many more arguments to make in here… so much hypocrisy and abuse of the English language. I know I said I wasn’t going to argue, but I just have to say one more thing:
Your religion is a “faith”. Faith is “belief”. That said, you were only asked for faith, not knowledge… and claiming to have knowledge you clearly don’t have (regarding God, homosexuality, or anything else) is known as “bearing false witness”, and is a sin according to your faith.
Ironic, isn’t it?
I’m not bashing your faith, either. In fact, I’m defending it by pointing out your abuse of it. I believe in a creator, but am perfectly fine with admitting the truth: I have no proof of one, and there may very well not be one at all. A creator is, after all, just as much a paradox as spontaneous existence.
I’m now curious to see how many of you agree that faith is not knowledge. Can you admit that? If you agree with me, then click on my username and leave a comment on my YouTube channel. I’d love to get a consensus.
-N37BU6
Report Post »LDSPATRIOTFAM
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:24am@N37BU6
Mat. 16:17
“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.”
Brother, faith is more common in our lives than you think, and you can know of these things other than just believe. I will adhere to what Jesus said. Flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. A Spiritual witness that speaks to us in the abstract and cannot be conveyed to another only felt for your self. As you exercise your faith in the Creator then you too can know. But not through flesh and blood. Ask and ye SHALL receive seek and ye SHALL find! Jesus was not lying when he uttered those words.
If you are still stumbling at this principal of the gospel (faith) then it sounds like you haven’t exercised your faith sufficiently. You may believe in a generic way, but sincere faith coupled with action yields a spiritual answer which is just as good if not BETTER than a testimony by “flesh and blood”
I encourage you to exercise faith, then you too can KNOW for your self that their is a Creator and does have a plan for us.
Polwatcher
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:27amIt is a choice.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 6:20amN37BU6: A creator is, after all, just as much a paradox as spontaneous existence.
That would be true if there were no evidence of intelligent design.
Report Post »Tigger House
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 6:49amI do not agree with the preacher, but Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”
In God’s eyes sin is sin.
Report Post »gobluebuckeye
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 7:33amThat would be my last day in that church. Homosexuality is a perversion of sexuality and it goes against the teachings of the Bible, and people cannot claim to be followers of the Bible if they are pick and choosing what they want to follow in it. Homosexuality is a choice that society excuses as it does for almost every wrongful action, Yes we are taught in modern times that you must have been born that way, but I am sorry people it IS a choice. God loves you but its goes against his word in every way.
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 7:46amThanks to Jesus, upon repentance we can all be forgiven. Homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin…There’s always the Millennium. There will be 1,000 years of discipline and teaching. The Father is long suffering (very patient)
Report Post »BocaBaby
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 7:59amAbsolutely, this is the man that taught the word of God for years….was invited to speak at Bible colleges……now he makes the decision to compromise and live on his terms and not to live the by word of God.
The lines are being drawn…..“Choose you this day who you will serve”
He and his ex-wife are now teaching New Age doctrine…..and well, this is fruit of the time we are in.
Report Post »DGelphaba7
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 8:48am@N37BU6
I so agree with everything you stated in your posts! Thank you so very much!
Report Post »wonderbug
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 9:01am“KRYPTONITE
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:38am
Sometimes it is a stronghold. Some gays I know were never able to relate to their dads. Sexual assault can also lead to bondage. And there are some cases where curiosity killed the cat.”
It’s a total stronghold. So strong it eggs MANY on to become educators — high school and college — where the kids are sooooo impressionable, open and energetic. Also, if you’re gay, then you are very likely to sympathize with every other anti-Christian cause. This then goes on and on endorsing lie after lie after lie.
The gay community is a minority, and yet it has been the loudest — gets attention all the time. Becomes a very EMOTIONAL issue.
I like this post, Kryptonite, because there ARE reasons why people feel they are gay. It’s a very complicated and sensitive issue. Need to find the strength to live chastely. God is not deaf. Talk to Him about it. Eventually, we will understand more.
Report Post »KristiJo
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 9:06amBeing a sodomite is a choice! No one forces him to act out as a sodomite! And if he just has thoughts of acting as a sodomite, there are shrinks for that! No one on this earth has ever been born a sodomite. We are created in the image of God!
Report Post »wonderbug
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 9:07am(Not you, KRYPTONITE, but those with a gay tendency.)
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 9:20amIMO it is impossible to follow ,Christ and to surrender to the lusts of the flesh. He has declared a choice he made.Why does he think it is still called an “orientation”? He is like the City of Jerusalem as written of in Ezekiel chapter 16-the sin of Sodom is upon him. and as it is written the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinning before the Lord exceedingly. The apostle Paul nailed in Romans
Report Post »chapter 1 And It is written in the gospels Jesus healed them all -HE needs Jesus-but this is the condemnation a great light has come into the world but men preferred the darkness because their deeds were evil.
SRH
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 10:49amWhat is wrong with you people??? You say “being gay is a choice.” Please tell me how being gay is a choice? Most of my gay friends have told me if they had a choice when they were young, they would have been born straight (although they have come to accept themselves for who they are now). Most people would not choose to be put through the discrimination and hate (by all of you!!).
If you have such a loving God, why would he not love all his children gay or straight. God made us in his image, he had a hand in our creation, correct? So he just “messed up” making gay people? Give me a break people. Stop the hate!!!
You all need to go to this website so that you can see how the bible has been manipulated over the years to make you believe that God hates gays. God loves us all!
http://www.otkenyer.hu/truluck/six_bible_passages.html
Report Post »elfinmagic75
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:17amTea Bagging Patriot? Can you make it any more evident that your a letist who hates everything that us conservatives believe in? You are as bad as the Liberals sent in to Tea Party Rallies with signs that they want to get on the news to show how racist Tea partiers are. If you don’t have any honesty anywhere in your body then go somewhere else.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:21amOne thing I must point out which is key in this report. The bishop said his whole ministry is about “being who you are, God accepting you as you are”…well then he is not preaching from the bible. God knows who we are but He doesn’t tell us that who we are is just fine and dandy! Read Romans 12 1 and 2!
1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
We are as Christians called to allow the holy spirit to transform us when we offer our bodies as living sacrifice. It isn’t about God accepting us as we are. No wonder this bishop is conflicted.
Report Post »elfinmagic75
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:25amI may not choose to be straight, but I do choose to live a straight lifestyle. Just like I chose to get married. Just like I choose to only have sex with my wife. I choose. So many people choose to slep around, or to sleep with same sex partners, but it is a choice. It is a sin, but so is adultry, fornication, stealing, killing and so many more things. We will all be judged on judgment day regardless of wether we believe in God or not. It is not for us to decide what sin is greater then another. I do not believe that this man should be a Christian leader though just as I would not want an admitted adulterer to be in that position. For that matter no murderers or rapists or any other repetitive sinner.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:27amIf this cleric believes that homosexuality is not a choice he makes every time he indulges himself, then he should consider his congregants’ welfare. If he wanted to be a man of God, he would be celibate. That is the choice. if you don’t find the opposite sex attractive, then cut your losses and abstain. If he’s a REAL pastor, he could make a real statement in support of Gods will. We have a hyper sexualized culture. There is no way that sex out of marriage is correct. There is no way that homosexual conduct is not an abomination before the Lord. Better to be deprived than depraved.
Report Post »He’s just proving that he loves himself and his life(style) more than he loves the Lord. I would welcome the opportunity to counsel the pastor…..and warn his church.
common everyday citizen
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:31amSorry SRH, but the word does describe this sin along with other specific sins as being punishable with a ticket to hell. Look that up and try and twist the meaning of the other sins as being acceptable also.
Vomit is still vomit no matter how you try to spice it up to be edible.
No one with a bean in their brain would believe what you claim where the Bible declares otherwise.
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 1:04pm@elfinmagic75 You “choose” the lifestyle because you are straight. Do you really expect homosexuals, if it is a choice to say, “hey, let’s subject myself to a lifetime of unnecessary persecution and discrimination!.”?
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:06pmRomans 1: 18 – 32 tells us, The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over IN THE SINFUL DESIRES OF THEIR HEARTS TO SEXUAL IMPURITY FOR THE DEGRADING OF THEIR BODIES WITH ONE ANOTHER. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to SHAMEFUL LUSTS. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their PERVERSION. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a DEPRAVED MIND, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Report Post »Being gay is a choice, and choices have consequences. God’s Word makes that very clear. God created man with a free will to choose what his path in life would be and what types of behaviors he would exhibit. He did however make a way for forgiveness for wrong choices by sending His Son Jesus Christ to the earth; this Jesus who would die for the sins of all mankind. Jesus blood covers every sin, but the sinner must first repent before he can receive this free gift. God will hold ministers of the Gospel accountable for leading God’s people astray. Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 are very clear about what he will do to the Shepherds of his flock that lead God’s people down the wrong path.
smitty805
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:07pmjeeeeezz.. Tea Party Patriot… cut it out!
Report Post »Godseyesareonthem
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:11pmTo be a man of the cloth he must not have read about what God did to Sodom and Gormorrah in the book of Genesis for their sexual peversion (homosexual act that they wanted to commit on the angels that came to remove Lot and family before God destroyed the city). It is still an abomination to God. he is not a man that goes for political correctness. Not a choice because nature proves that theory is wrong. Levitcus 18 and Romans 1 gives the law from God’s mouth and as far as I know that has not changed. I guess this falls in with the evolution theory of Darwin. Hey as far as I can tell I don’t see anything evolving, a monkey is still a monkey. To be a fact it has to be ongoing constantly does it not? So again it is a choice of lifestyle not genetics. God made man and God made woman for the man. God does not not make mistakes. Satan is the master of deception and lies. You would think a pastor who is suppose be a example of intregrity to his flock would know that. I feel for the people who bought in to his lies all these years. Shame on him. God will judge the pastors first on judgement day.
Report Post »REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:16pmYes, we must hate the sin, not the sinner, for we’ve all sinned and fall SO very short. Thank you Lord for taking on our sins, for we know that you paid the penalty for our sins, which was your death. This does not give us license to do as we please… we still have laws (GOD’s Laws) that we must keep. However folks, back to the issue of homosexuality… just for opinions sake, I believe there may be some that are gay due to a birth defect, while some ‘choose’ to be gay. Those who CHOOSE such a lifestyle, no matter their reason, defect, or whatever… doesn’t matter… they will answer to God. Right? Wasn’t Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed due to this lifestyle being rampant in these cities? God has something to say about this… every man, no matter the sin, will have to answer to God. And we wonder why this nation has gone downhill so fast… our blessings are quickly going bye-bye!
Report Post »T-BagginLiberalsinDamouth
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:39pm@ TEABAGGIN PATRIOT: SHUT UP YOU TROLL! You are a liberal, you dont know anything about the Tea Party other than what CNN or MSNBC feeds into your mind. You are a crack pot and God will judge you very soon.
thepatriotdave
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:44pmtea bagging patriot,
Go back to your Commie friends at hufpo and daily kos.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:49pmWonderbug: (Not you, KRYPTONITE, but those with a gay tendency.)
Thanks for clarifying! You had me worried there for a second!
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 2:56pmSRH said: “It is a very flexible word…”
Can we say “evangelastic?”
Report Post »Seven
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:12pmTEA BAGGING PATRIOT
Report Post »Boy did you pick the wrong username. Why don’t you try maybe DIP S T
REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 3:15pmTHANK YOU MARY M TEBBE – well said. Short and to the point, God’s word! However, I have something to add. Those folks who want to reason around this, can debate the choice or no choice issues ’til we’re all dead and buried, but… anyone with ANY sense at all, KNOWS that it is unnatural for a man to be with a man, or a woman to be with a woman. God created man in his own image. He created woman for man, for a purpose. Simple! NO ONE has the authority to argue what that says… God said it, and therefore, His will be done. So what you FEEL homosexual, with homosexual desires. Did it ever occur to one to PRAY and ask God to HEAL them of these feelings and desires? BET NOT. If they did, I promise you, they weren’t doing something right. If you want God to heal you, you better be keeping ALL HIS laws to the best of your ability. God departs from evil, for He cannot abide with sin. Abstain from sin, pray fervently for healing, and He will heal. I don’t doubt that there may be some genetic goof-ups(but you can thank Adam and Eve, as well as your ancestors for the genetic anomalies), just like any other ailments, diseases, etc. However, God promises to heal. You just have to remember, it’s in HIS time, not yours. He chooses the WHEN, not YOU. However, if you are NOT being healed at this time, consider the test he may be putting you through. You have choices. You choose to give in to those desires, you pay a price. Not much different than someone who gives in to other fleshly desires though. For sin is sin is sin. ALL who sin will have to give account for their sins. Those who survive the Tribulation will live into the millenium, and God will cleanse their minds, and heal them of their infirmities… and they‘ll be given a chance to live God’s way, knowing His ways, with Satan bound and unable to cause the people to sin. SATAN is the reason there is sin. God did not create sin. With Satan bound for 1,000 yrs, God will have that time to cleanse the minds of all those who have never known any other way. After the millenium, when all those who died not in Christ, are raised from the dead unto judgement(this being the Great White Throne judgement) will have to give an account of their sins when they were alive. Can you imagine Hitler having to go before God? I can assure you, God will not look at Hitlers sins as anything worse than MY sins, and I have never killed anyone. But, believe it or not, God loves Hitler too. Good thing man doesn’t have the powers of God, huh? But the people will then be given an opportunity to live a just life, with the saints teaching them God’s way, with Satan having then been cast away… never able to cause the people to sin again. What a wonderful world we have waiting for us. God is creating a family for himself through US, us lowly material humanbeings. When those who ARE homosexual, by choice or not, when all those who minds are SO warped they can’t truly think right for themselves, for all those who have believed the Bible says this, when it really says that… (thanks to ministers who deceive) are all healed and cleansed of their sins, we can then forget this past life where Satan rules. Wwe should all be praying Thy Kingdom Come….
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 4:33pmN37bu6- What the living hell are you talking about. You mustve went to Harvard…so ill say it sloooow so you can grasp it. Your talking about “our faith”, well Buffy, “our faith” says homosexuality is wrong…period end of story. Now I know progressives dont like absolutes….tough. I guess a baby thats aborted isnt a person either. You progressive are so misguided that i I will pray to the God that created you tonight for you to wake from your slumber. By the way the gay lobby sunk millions into trying to find the “gay gene” to justify their behavior….no dice.
Report Post »Hmschlmom
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 5:25pm@SRH…
Your very intellectual sounding analysis of the meaning of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is, frankly, BUNK!
Nice how you totally omit that the crowd was struck blind for wanting to KNOW the angels.. Nice try though! If it was simply meant as an innocent “GET TO KNOW”, I am seriously doubtful the angels would have struck the crowd blind in defense! Lot obviously offers his daughter up on the assumption that some in the crowd are BISEXUAL… (the appropriateness of that is another issue…LOT is one messed up dude, but because he attempts to seek God, he is considered righteous. He is an interesting example of how messed up you can be, and God still loves you)
The CROWD however, is an example of people who were so sexually debased, God left them over to their wicked ways, and gave up. (In the previous chapter, Abraham attempted to bargain with God to find 50 righteous people…then 40…then 10…and God, you wouldn’t destroy the city if there are 10, right? The conclusion is, there weren’t even 10… )
The reason for the destruction is clearly given. God did not find even 10 righteous people in the whole of the city. He removed the remnant, (Lot and his family) and destroyed the spiritually diseased masses.
Report Post »ArmedAndNotDangerous
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 7:00pmLeave the guy alone – keep YOUR religion to YOURselves. He is not hurting you. Very judgmental here across the board. It‘s bad for any organization or ’party’ to judge and exclude persons who are peaceful and law abiding, don’t you agree?
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 8:25pmhe can always join the Catholic priest hood,
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 8:28pmthat’s ok Masons worship Lucifer
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aren’t Mormons tied to Masons ?
Taquoshi
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 9:21pmto tea bagging patriot -
Why are you besmirching Ronaldus Maximus’ picture by attaching it to your posts? President Reagan would have never stooped so low to say the stuff you are saying. And you certainly don’t speak for those of us in the Tea Party.
The only person you are speaking for is yourself, and if you really agree with what you said in your post, I feel really sorry for you.
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 9:45pmTower7femacamp- Do you see black helicopters?
Report Post »Blazergirl
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 10:03pmI commend him for “comming out.” You can not and should not live a lie even if that means giving up everything. No matter what a lot of people may think, being gay is not a choice. Living a lie is. I have a few gay friends. I asked why were they gay? One answer was, “Who the hell would ”choose” to be gay? Do you think I choose to be ridiculed? Do you think I enjoyed disappointing and hurting my parents? Do you think I like not being like most people? No, I did not “choose” to be gay. It put things into perspective for me. God made us as we are. It is not for any of us to judge. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. We all have our own choices in life and we all are constantly being tested. If God had two people in front of him to be judged, one of them was a very good, very giving, God loving gay man and the other was George Soros. Who do you think would go to Heaven?
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 10:32pmtea bagging patriot, tell me when and where I can meet you to shake your hand. I will be there.
tea bagging patriot
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 10:46pmTruthTalker,
Tonight along with all other true american patriotic tea party members…….
I will be tea bagging in the streets of washington!!!
Report Post »SgtBarrett
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:26pmYou are in the wrong here fella. Christians are required to judge other Christians here on earth according to the Bible. Christians are not to judge non-christians here on earth.
1 Corinthians 5:11-13
11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[a] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
So you see, Christians are only allowed to judge their own members. Letting those Christians who choose to live in sin get away with it while leading the church, all because you dont want to “judge” is a erroneous argument. Christians have a responsibility to police themselves otherwise the world will judge us and rightly so. And what will we say to God on that day when He calls us to account for our inaction, for not standing up for the truth?
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on November 2, 2010 at 11:31pmTruth?talker- Youre a punk. Your in your moms basement in your underwear, with cheetos stains on your pedicure. You wouldnt have the guts to meet any real american anywhere. Keep hidin in the basement.
Report Post »tea bagging patriot
Posted on November 3, 2010 at 12:05amRobertW,
Once again you are correct about truthtalker. He will not be invited to our tea bagging party in Washington tonight.
Report Post »AmericanDogMan
Posted on November 3, 2010 at 9:30amHomosexuality is a fetish. Your born liking certain things, some people are born liking feet, rubber, or muscles, the color red, or the same sex. It may or may not be a choice but it’s not a topic for discussion. I really dont understand the nation.
Homosexuality is a fetish and if you are homosexual, you should
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Alvin691
Posted on November 3, 2010 at 1:45pmSRH, stop being gay.
Report Post »Eric-n-OTown
Posted on November 3, 2010 at 2:06pmDaniel, that was perfectly put…
Report Post »2
Posted on November 3, 2010 at 2:12pmIt’s a choice just like killing a Baby. You don’t have to do it.
Report Post »RIGHTEOUSCAUSE828
Posted on November 3, 2010 at 2:13pmI watched the whole service where he let his church know the truth about himself, and it was moving. However, his statements regarding his sexual orientation being “imposed” on him and his absolute certainty of being born this way have no scientific or theological basis. ALSO, the biggest turning point for me in his speech was where he stated that the Bible is inspired but not infallible – meaning that it has mistakes and opinions in it. He talked about how Paul the Apostle was mistaken about certain doctrines. This discredits him big time. If the Bible is fallible (contains errors) then we could teach whatever we want from it.
What I did learn from this is that I believe the Church (Body of Christ) as a whole needs to improve its evangelism to the gay community. Gays should not feel threatened by a church, just like any other sinner shouldn’t.
Remember this, there is always some degree of truth in deception, so it is our job to correctly discern what is true and what is false in order to avoid being deceived. The only way that this could be done is if we have a deeply rooted relationship with the Word of God.
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