German Education Minister: Let’s Appoint Imams to Teach Islam in Schools
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Emily Esfahani Smith
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Ennahar Online reports:
BERLIN – The German Minister of Education Annette Schavan wants imams teach courses in Islamic religions in schools, in an interview with the weekly Die Zeit to be published Thursday.
In Germany, where church and state are not separate, the schools provide religious instruction, Catholic or Protestant to students.
They could be “used in schools” at halftime, as “priests,” said Schavan to Die Zeit. She nevertheless conditioned their hiring that they are trained at university in Germany.
Four new institutes devoted to Islamic theology are being created in the universities of Tübingen (southwest), Erlangen (south), Osnabrück / Münster (west) and Frankfurt (center), with support from the Department of research.
Between 3.8 and 4.3 million Muslims (45% have German nationality) currently living in Germany with 82 million inhabitants. The Turks form the largest community with 2.5 million people.
Like most European countries, Germany, with one third of Catholics, Protestants and all the rest being of another religion or no religion, is confronted with the thorny issue of integration of this population.
According to a study published by Die Zeit in December, two out of five Germans feel threatened by Islam, more than the French, Dutch, Danish or Portuguese.
The report, which seems to be an english translation of a french AFP story, comes via Weasel Zippers.
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Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:44pmDon’t know enough about the implications of “Iman’s teaching Islam in German schools” to really comment. Is it the same as european Catholic nuns who break your fingers?
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:51pmNah, religious education in Germany is basically a history course.
Report Post »Buck_Ofama
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:41pmDoes anyone else see the ‘L’ on Annette Schavan’s forehead?
It looks like it’s neon and flashing. Kinda like the ‘L’ on Burnt Toast O’Reilly, Chrissy “I’ll have another drink while I have the tingle” Matthews and John Bonehead.
Report Post »Susan Harkins
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:40pmDoesn’t anyone know why the parable of “The Camel In The Tent” was set in the Middle East?
DUH … WINNING!
Report Post »uniatpainting
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:34pmThese government elites are insane… they are really insane.
Report Post »No more so than right here in the good old USA….
We are being subverted, undercut, impaired, diminished, compromised, sabotaged, weakened- RUINED… is it clear to you NOW???!!!
Variety Snaps
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:32pmI wonder how she would respond to the suggestion that Christian pastors teach Christianity in the public schools?
Report Post »hcartexas
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:22pmThose who appease a tiger; do so in hopes that they will be eaten last.
Report Post »the phathom
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:20pmCan’t imagine that even being discussed or an issue… totally disgusting, unbelievable.
Report Post »eat-more-bacon-USA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:17pmExplosives experts in the classroom, teaching suicide bombing technics – How “progressive”.
Report Post »Ailene Wright
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:06pmWhat next? Introduction to martyrdom? How to murder infidels?
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:43pmRealistically, history of Islam and analysis of the Quran.
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:02pmThey live in Germany………..either they live by your rules, or you end up living by their rules.
Report Post »alina.bolero
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:01pmThat is soooo sad! I used to love Germany. I even sprechen ien bishchen Deutsch! Aber jecht Ich habe keine desire to ever visit Germany! I just couldn’t bare to see the culture destroyed by the pandering to Islam in the name of political correctness! Very sad! Very sad!
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:41pmAbout 1 in 40 germans is of turkish origin, a fraction of those are muslim.
I think beautiful germany is going to be safe, personally.
Report Post »hcartexas
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:00pmSweet.. we can mix the ruthlessly efficient war like mentality of the German, with the psychotic, fanatical and suicidal tendency of the Muslim… sounds like a great mix…..
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:00pmAlthough this idea may sound strange, Thomas Jefferson recommended that the various Christian sects were given a building (rooms), time and a forum to discuss their various religious beliefs on publicly funded higher education campuses.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:10pm@kMichaels ~~~You hit the nail on the head: CHRISTIAN; not muslime or buddhist or zen or whatever; CHRISTIAN. There you go!
Report Post »conversationcanwork
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:14pmOnly learning about Christianity doesn’t really help anything. Learning and understand about other religions is actually pretty interesting. Learning and adopting beliefs are two wildly different things.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:54pmYes, it is true that during Jefferson’s day, since the nation was by and far almost 100% Christian, for those that had religion, then it made sense that the only one’s that would teach their religion on public ground would be Christian sects. However, my point had to do with the fact that Jefferson, often used for the guy behind separation of church and state, actually believed in giving time to religions to teach their beliefs on public grounds.
Report Post »conversationcanwork
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:55pmIf I were taking a class about a specific religion I would want a leader of that religion to teach it. I wouldn’t want a baptist minister teaching me about catholicism.
Report Post »grandma7
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:54pmWhere do these people come from……certainly Not from reality
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:02pmI don’t know where they came from but they multiply FAST! I‘m beginning to believe you just can’t fix stupid….and everywhere we seem to have too many Stupid!! How else could you have such stupid policies promoted both in the EU and here.
Report Post »the old plumber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:54pmThat’s the kind foolishness I would expect out of our Dept. of Education not from Germany’s they got more sense than that
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:39pmMaybe they have enough sense to know that Islam is no more evil than any other religion and when you have christian priests to teach kids, it’s okay to have imams too. Also, religious education in germany has very little to do with praying and is mostly about history of religion. It’s a pretty secular dissection of religion and explains how the bible was written and how the times were back then.
Report Post »geonj
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:51pmthey make me feel threatened as well.
KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. – Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. – Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
….. martyrs…. Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. – 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. – Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. – Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. – 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. – 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme – 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. – 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. – 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. – 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. – 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers….
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. – 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. – 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. – 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. – 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah – he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. – 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. – 48:25
Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. – 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. – 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. – 98:51
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:51pmCaliphate? The infiltration of all countries for the chosen religion? Sounds and looks like it to me….
Report Post »Geo0248
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:51pmhey great idea!
Report Post »Maybe we can marry off our ten year old daughters to them too!
Of have our mothers [who do not belive in this cult] serve as endentured servants to them as well
april 12 1861
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:48pmGood by Germany. I have no intentions of sending my three sons to save or defeat you again. And, that goes for England and the rest of Europe.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:47pmI don’t think the “minister of education” (I use that term loosely) “gets it”. Helllllooooooooooooo????? Anybody home?
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:46pmFire that idiot!
Report Post »Borderlegion
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:44pmWhen are they going to get it? Don’t play with scorpions, you will get stung
Report Post »jacobstroubles
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:43pmtoooooooo funny…you have no idea what the threat of islam really means just yet.
but you’re all gonna know what it means by about mid summer.
Their filthy vile mahadi,,should be arriving shortly..so you’ll all get a really up close and personal
account of what “the threat” means.
good luck.
Report Post »expatinontariocanada
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:30pmEuropeans will be drinking in their pubs when the Islamo-Fascists roll up, nails the doors shut and torch the places. I pray I am wrong but that‘s what I’m seeing. They’ll try that in Canada and the US. While it may work here, because we’re too damn scared to offend anyone, Human Rights Commission and all, but stay strong down there. Tell them all to go straight to hell.
Report Post »pscully17
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:52pmplease go to youtube and watch the 7 minute video on the spread of islam.. it hilights data on the birthrates and immigration of muslims vs the rest of us.. europe will be an islamic state by 2035. they are reproducing and immigrating at a rate of 8.1 to our 2.1 plus, they have a militirstic drive to conquer.. the Christians and buddhists and hindus dont have that drive… we better start rethinking our religious purposes and fight back..
Report Post »mill
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:01pmAND….GERMANY IS GOING TO DIG UP HITLER and have him teach in the Jewish school
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:39pmI don’t know if the world is ready for Islamic fanaticism with Tuetonic efficiency. This could be problamatic…Just sayin’
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:43pmI’ll bet the Germans would just “love” that.
Report Post »Cherynn
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:44pmAmen!
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:45pmSo 2 out of 5 Germans feel threatened by Islam that means that the other 3 are either stupid, misinformed or Muslim. http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:47pmHow about I eat a bacon sandwich in a mosque too…
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:49pmAnd let’s reincarnate Hitler to teach the art of euthanasia (politely put).
Report Post »ottodiedacktick
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:53pmThank God for the Establishment Clause in the Constitution. No pun intended.
Report Post »grandma7
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 3:56pmIt amazes me how ignorant some educators are.
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:05pm@tobywil2
Report Post »There is a population of approximately 82 million people and about 4.5 million muslims in Germany right now so that takes care of about 18% of the population.
Obama Bin Lying
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:08pmSince when do they let people who are clearly on drugs get appointed to the Education Ministry?
Report Post »pscully17
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:28pma “reilgious” constitution like the Koran,, where it establishes violence, opperession and contempt for fellow human beings, and also advocates taking your own life and the life of others in the name of its higher authority, with a rewadr for doing so, is a CULT. THE WAY or Jihad, with no options to leave the religion without penalty of death, IS A CULT. Brainwashing the youth to hate people and establishing the limits of freedom to speak and think for yourself.. IS A CULT. it does not belong in our society and other societies founded on the prinicples of human rights and free will, to be who and what you want to be. For European countries and America, Islam is contradictory to every concept and established law that governs our land. Stop the insanity to accept it as an equal and credible element to be taught in our schools, or our Government.
Report Post »pappy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:29pmAnyone else notice when you see news about islamism & muSLUMS in europe, the article makes reference to the population of muSLUMS there? It’s always “a population of XXxxXX million muslims are living in XYXYXYX…. It seems they’re overtaking the indiginous population of these countries. I’m almost afraid to ask how many are here. I’m concerned….
Report Post »DirectlyUnPCman
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:31pmMan, they still dont get.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:33pmProblamatic could be a bit of an understatement…imagine trying to figure out how to say in German and Farsi or such…”Halt or I will shoot, God is Great!”
They might wind up shooting themselves instead of the enemy.
Report Post »No1YaKnow
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:34pmYea, that’s just a wonderful idea. Another politically correct zealot.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 4:42pmOh GREAT idea! They should set up some kind of exchange program for international understanding. You know, Imams in German schools and Priests and Ministers in Muslim schools in the Middle East.
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:00pmIsn’t this woman paying attention to what is happening in France? Give the Muslim radical an inch, and he will take over your country. (Looking at her photo, I have to ask why all progressives look alike? Do they share a common gene pool yet to be discovered?)
Report Post »SomethingsGottaGive
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:04pmSo I guess rather than shouting “To Valhalla!” They’ll now be yelling “To Allah?”
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:06pmWon’t be long before it is rename Germistan.
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:09pmOne word – MORON. That is the moral equivalent of having the Demoncrat founded organization the KKK teach hate in schools.
Report Post »ConsiderThis
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:14pm@Snow
All over the Middle East – they are shooting and bombing each other!
Report Post »The Big Pickle
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:15pmRIP – Deutschland
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:16pmBIGJAY, I had a good laugh –well put!
Report Post »Balrog28
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:23pm“Protection from what? ‘Zee Germans’?”
Report Post »–Turkish, Snatch(2000)
dealer@678
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:27pmGreat, now school kids are gonna go around chopping heads off
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:42pm“I don’t know if the world is ready for Islamic fanaticism with Tuetonic efficiency.”
It’s just what both sides need. The Germans get a new world conquering visionquest to make up for that whole failed Third Reich thingey and the Muslims get some new blood to spearhead the great Muslim Jihad, something they haven’t had since the Turks took over the reigns back in the 11th century. Soon the Bundestag will become the Bundestan. The Sultanate of Europe is just around the corner.
Hey wait a minute. I just remembered something. The Holy Roman Empire began in Germany with Otto I, and the Germans had a close alliance with the Ottoman Empire. How long have these fellows been working together? Hmmmmm?
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:47pm@grandma7
I don‘t think it’s ignorance. It’s balls out stupidity.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:07pmThe denazification program which the Jews implemented in Germany after WW2 has litterally warped their minds. Unfortunately the same program has been implemented in the US too. Just research the Frankfurt schools.. and we all know where they ended up right? Just tragic to witness the demise of the white race. No pride whatsoever.. White people have been so brainwashed they are no longer even conscious of their race eventhough we are the true minority on this planet!
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:36pmThe Germans coaxed the Grand Mufti to their side during war one and, because of the Italians, almost owned North Africa during war two. They have always courted the Muslims, but never earned their trust. If they start teaching Islamism in their schools it will be the ruin of their country.
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:38pmLet’s appoint CHRISTIAN MINISTERS to teach CHRIST in schools. Rots of ruck
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 12:38amWith all the beer and sausage in Germany how can the Muslims stand it???
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 5:30amhitler planned to islamicize Europe as if Charles Martel had lost…
looks like his plan is being carried out
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 6:03amThis sounds like the same rational as our Muslim In Chief gave to us little people who cling to our guns and religion when we just could not understand how fabulous Obamacare would be. He thought he hadn’t given enough speeches. So having imams teach the Religion Of Peace in their schools should work out really well for the Germans.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 6:12amWill they also teach Judaism, since they tried to wipe out all the Jews of Europe? Might be a better idea. Teach people that there is NOTHING to fear from the Jews they actually tried to wipe out.
Report Post »NuffSaid
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 6:26amWhy not appoint former Nazi’s to teach Islam? Racism, terror, torture, crucifixion of gypsies, homosexuals and Jews…
What part of Islam did the Nazi’s miss? And by hiring Nazi’s you can keep the duetche marks at home
Report Post »hud
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:02amHow do Germans build MB‘s and bemmers with room temperature IQ’s. When only 40% can figure out that moron mooslems are dangerous.
Report Post »hud
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:04amTO Godsamerica and blacks make up 12 to 13% of the US population and look at what a pain in the ass they are.
Report Post »Michael61
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:17amActually, Adolf Hitler complained about stupid Christian morals preventing Germans from blindly obeying orders (i.e. being mindless killers). He said he would prefer Islam.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:08pmWow!
Report Post »I guess the Germans have not learned there lesson.
Remember to vote our socialist out in 2012 or this could be coming to our schools