Get Ready For TSA ‘Chat-Downs’ — Author Tells TheBlaze About a New Airport Security Procedure You Might Not Know About
- Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:19am by
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Can the Transportation Security Agency (TSA) pull you out of line without any rational reason, quiz you on where you are going and why? And if you choose not to answer, does that make you “hostile?” One newspaper writer from the Midwest found out the answers to those questions on Monday when he experienced the TSA’s new “chat-down” while waiting in line at airport security.
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Muskeegon Chronical writer Steve Gunn was returning home after a few days at a music festival in Colorado. Steve’s travel agent had him flying from Denver to Detroit and then connecting to a flight from Detroit to Grand Rapids. This is a common pattern in air travel. Customers fly from one big city to another and then catch a short flight to their regional airport. It happens hundreds of times each day in Detroit alone.
As Gunn was standing in security line at the Detroit airport when a young woman in a uniform approached him. Gunn reports:
(Big Brother) actually presented himself in the deceptive form of a young, attractive female officer, working for the Transportation Security Administration at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.
At first she simply seemed chatty and friendly. She looked at my airline boarding pass and noted that I was coming from Denver. Then she mentioned that I was headed from Detroit to Grand Rapids.
After explaining that he was just returning home, the TSA agent’s question started getting a bit more invasive. She wanted to know “where home was” — and that’s when Gunn realized that something was not right about this questioning and he asked why the agent needed to know all of this. Her response was that this was part of a new security “pilot program.”
That answer was not good enough for Mr. Gunn. He made it quite clear to the woman performing the TSA “Chat-Down.”
- He was an American citizen
- He was traveling within his own country
- He was not breaking any laws
- That was all the government needed to know and he was not going to share any information
And that’s when the agent loudly announced to her superiors (and everyone else standing in line): “We have another refusal here!”
By shouting that line, the woman triggered a response from supervisors and other agents in the area.
Another TSA staffer detained Mr. Gunn and took his carry-on bag. When he asked why he was being “detained,” the TSA rep denied detaining Gunn. In an interview with TheBlaze, Steve Gunn did say that his detention lasted all of two minutes, but it was a detention. He was stopped, held against his will and checked quite differently than all of the other passengers in line.
The manner in which he was treated by TSA agents bothered Mr. Gunn and he told TheBlaze that he felt like a suspect and decided to speak loudly so the people in line could hear him. As his bag was being examined and his hands swabbed by the agent, Gun said, “This is America, not Russia… we shouldn’t have to answer these questions!”
Gunn said that another TSA agent stopped his work and replied: “It’s no different than customs.”
Gunn told the interjecting TSA agent that his Customs comparison is wrong. People coming into the country should be screened in a more serious manner than citizens moving about inside our borders.
After he landed in Grand Rapids and arrived at his home (I did not ask him exactly where he lived), Gunn researched the TSA’s “pilot program” that involves quizzing passengers as they stand in line. He discovered a USA Today opinion piece that details the program. It’s not exactly a new thing and the results are also less than spectacular. Gunn’s article recapped the USA Today story:
TSA officials interviewed about 725,000 travelers at Logan International Airport in Boston over the course of one year, and none of them turned out to be terrorists. A small percentage were arrested on outstanding warrants for other crimes.
Steve Gunn believes that he may have been singled out for the questioning because he suffers from a partial and temporary facial paralysis due to a recent bought with Bell’s palsy. Gunn wonders if all stroke victims and people with facial tics will be pulled aside and quizzed.
During our interview, Gunn stressed that he understands the need to make certain air travel is safe. However, his objection was raised over the curious and invasive search tactics used in this new “chat-down” program.
“They can make us all take off our shoes and our belts and treat us as suspects,” he said. “But at least in that case, they treat everyone equally.”
Read Steve Gunn’s full account of this event.
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ProPatriaVigilans
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:13pmNone of this will change and only become worse. We must stand as one and all say NO MORE we will not submit, but this will not happen because most people are too scared, wimpy, and simple minded to stand up, it might delay their plans, or inconveinance them and this is what the government depends on to keep us in line.
Report Post »term limits for congress
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:57pmGunn played it wrong. He should have used the new Infidel “Chat-Up” technique.
Hey, baby! You lookin’ mighty fine in those tight polyester government pants.
Give me your phone number, sweetie, and I‘ll send you some ’good’ pictures of me.
Spin around, cutie, and let me get a better look at that rockin’ aspirin.
If I touch you once, will you touch me 250 times?
Then, yell to the other passengers, “WE HAVE ANOTHER REFUSAL OVER HERE!”
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:29pmHere’s the thing about this and how stupid the TSA really is! If you ask Israel how they deal with Terrorists security at the Airport. All of them will tell you before you walk into the Airport your being screened! They have people that move around like this person and asks questions. Their not doing to everyone! Its people that don’t look them in the eyes, wear a Parka when its 100 degrees outside and various other body language that Israel may question! Our idiot TSA seems to think American’s are terrorists! Like kids, the Elderly, maimed, and anyone else other than the Terrorist! I‘m not saying we don’t have American Terrorists! I’m saying we need to look at profiling the real potential rather than holders, janet napolitanio, and obama’s Exstemist pics of Americans radical right! Its time we look at Terrorists; not Grandma, Grandpa, and children! Come on people can we not go after the real terrorists? Why hasn’t Romney and Ryan gone after obama and the TSA? We spend Billions on insecurity from these idiots and now were looking at TSA going Union? Does anyone other than obama and his admin; agree with TSA and Unions? Please help, lets stop these Idiots!
Report Post »1947
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:32pmThis is what Hilter had his soldiers do to the Jews after he took control. Obama is getting ready to take away your RIGHTS.
Report Post »lordjosh
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:13pmAbsolutely correct! But we can’t do that unless the scam is unveiled.
From the article;
“He made it quite clear to the woman performing the TSA “Chat-Down. He was an American citizen”
And there it is. If you are an american citizen under the illegitimate 14th amendmendment, you have no rights. You are “subject[s]” to the jurisdiction of United States Inc. So answer the questions, slave.
Report Post »rt elms
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:23pmThe TSA looks for weapons, the Israelis look for terrorists. BIG difference!
Report Post »HLGarret
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:50pmThat is why we have stopped flying all together! First they treat us like suspects and think we work for them, then, once on board a plane, they treat you like everyday freight! SCREW EM! We drive now with all our freedoms AND can protect ourselves with conceal carry!
Report Post »Needing_To_Vent
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:59pmTime to begin knowing your Miranda Rights
From Wikipedia:
The Miranda warning (also referred to as Miranda rights) is a warning given by police in the United States to criminal suspects in police custody (or in a custodial interrogation) before they are interrogated to preserve the admissibility of their statements against them in criminal proceedings.
In this case the TSA is engaging in custodial interrogation…
In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect’s freedom of movement is restrained, even if he is not under arrest.
Per Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 444 (1966), “custodial interrogation [refers to] questioning initiated by law enforcement officers after a person has been taken into custody or otherwise deprived of his freedom of action in any significant way.“ The United States Supreme Court has clarified that a person is being subjected to a custodial interrogation if ”a reasonable person would have felt he or she was not at liberty to terminate the interrogation and leave.” Thompson v. Keohane, 516 U.S. 99, 112 (1995). This test is objective and thus does not depend on the individual suspect’s subjective mindset, age, or previous personal experience with law enforcement. Yarborough v. Alvarado, 541 U.S. 652, 666-69 (2004). Rather, the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:28pmOK please tell me what I am missing. On every store about the TSA and their scanners and pat downs people always suggest they screen passengers like they do in Israel. They talk to the passengers and watch their body language, eyes etc. Now the TSA is trying this and people are still upset. It is unrealistic to think the days of no security at airports will return. I remember the days when you could just go the gate of the arriving flight and greet you love one as they came off the plane; these days are over. I would rather answer a few questions than be patted down.
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:31pm@term limits….made me giggle…..been on line all day looking for a job…I needed that….thanks.
Report Post »bdsconserv
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:47pmyou are so right. it’s called fear tactics.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:56pmHugh Williams, first we never have done what Israel is doing! Israel Screeners will be the First people to tell you they Profile! Our poor excuse TSA doesn’t do anything like this! TSA profiles Americans, Grandma, Grandpa and kids! Isreal will look at whos dropping people off before you even approach the door to the Terminal! Israel looks for thee Middle Eastern Man, all alone who’s sweating, doesn’t look them in the eyes when being spoken to, and last, has answers that don’t fit a story! They may have 3 or 4 people talk to this person even prior to them getting their ticket! TSA in America with approval from holder, obama and janet napolitanio, seem to think TSA needs to check out grandma, grandpa, and the kids instead! They don’t Follow Israel at all! Like I stated befor Israel will tell you they profile for Terrorists! We spend Billions on insecurity through TSA! Its kind of like amtrack the post office, solyndra, and any other Govt. business! The latest is like GSA and buing New Buildings for our Govt. when they have allready bought new buildings! Govts. Worthless and if Each Airport would hire their own Screeners we’d be much better off than TSA patting down kids and old people! Look for the Terrorists not Americans! People have had it with Stupidity within Govt.! On top of that obama turns and wants TSA to go Union? Who do you think that will benefit from this? Union bosses and Democraps!
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:10pmMost of you voted for this via your representatives. At least my Representative votes for the constitution. All bit three republicans in the house are traitors.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:01pm@docgreen
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:29pm
Here’s the thing about this and how stupid the TSA really is! If you ask Israel how they deal with Terrorists security at the Airport. All of them will tell you before you walk into the Airport your being screened! They have people that move around like this person and asks questions. Their not doing to everyone! Its people that don’t look them in the eyes, wear a Parka when its 100 degrees outside and various other body language that Israel may question! Our idiot TSA seems to think American’s are terrorists! Like kids, the Elderly, maimed, and anyone else other than the Terrorist! I‘m not saying we don’t have American Terrorists! I’m saying we need to look at profiling the real potential rather than holders, janet napolitanio, and obama’s Exstemist pics of Americans radical right! Its time we look at Terrorists; not Grandma, Grandpa, and children! Come on people can we not go after the real terrorists? Why hasn’t Romney and Ryan gone after obama and the TSA? We spend Billions on insecurity from these idiots and now were looking at TSA going Union? Does anyone other than obama and his admin; agree with TSA and Unions? Please help, lets stop these Idiots!
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I read a story yesterday that TSA is working alongside Sec Serv at Ryan events to go through bags and do pat downs for weapons. The pic didn’t look like Sec Serv liked it! Harassment?
Mil Mom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:04pm@HLGarret
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:50pm
That is why we have stopped flying all together! First they treat us like suspects and think we work for them, then, once on board a plane, they treat you like everyday freight! SCREW EM! We drive now with all our freedoms AND can protect ourselves with conceal carry
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Above mentioned article says they’ve moved from just airports to now stopping cars on some highways and now beginning to do checks of people in public places! It’s becoming a Police State around here!
Hollywood
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:13pmMaybe there will be Turn about fair play, and we can pat down, and harrass the TSA agents, even up to their supreme galactic commander Janet Napoleontano. UH, on second thought forget it. YIKES! I’ll have to cleanse my mind from THAT thought.!!!!
Report Post »BlueStrat
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:23pmHow about we use this wonderful network of tubes to set up a method and system for organizing and grouping people who want to fly from point A to point B and combine their travel money to schedule/hire chartered flights?
A project for Kickstarter, maybe? Crowd-sourced?
I’m not sure precisely how it would work, but I see this system where you can use your phone or computer to post proposed charter flights and/or browse existing proposed charter flights by origin/destination/schedule/price looking for one that fits your travel plans that has openings.
Handle the airlines (and the TSA) like how the internet was originally designed to handle damage…route around them.
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges12
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:36am“Chat-down”?
Report Post »Neo doesn’t do smalltalk:
“Obama TSA’s Illegal No-Warrant Searches – Neo & Trinity OPT-OUT And FIRE-FIGHT For LIBERTY!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_NqhTG70ow
poorrichard09
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:24amSteve was screwed from the start with the last name Gunn. ;-)
All the tsa agent would have to do is say “so your name is Steve GUNN!” and he would have been mobbed by rent a cops, maced, bludgeoned and thrown to the floor.
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 8:28amMaybe he should have asked her what color undergarments she was wearing and if they were lacy.
Report Post »dlivelli
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:01pmAfter seeing some of those TSA people in action, it is surprising that they are even capable of having a decent conversation with anyone. The problem is that most of them are not ‘professionals’. This would be the perfect job for ex-military people that need work. They are well trained, most are smart, personable, and they know what to look for. They are trained to spot people who act suspicious. A match made for safety!
Report Post »AmericanPatriot
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:27pmTHAT is a great idea! Unfortunately, because it makes sense, it will probably never be implemented.
Report Post »armyofnibiru
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:20pmyes ,and they care more about the constitution than these clowns.BUT this regime through janet napolitano have declared [remember?] that VETERENS are one of the top groups to investigate as possible domestic terrorists.!!!
Report Post »1947
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:48pmThey don’t leaders, Napolitanio and Obama want followers.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:43pmWe are doing what the israelis do. Just like their unjust policies require them to be paranoid -so our support of theur unjust policies now require us to be paranoid too.[and of course paranoia does not mean no one's out to get you] But we brought the threat of terroism on ourselves with our policies as have the israelis!And those unjust policies which now come back to bite us-are linked.Gulls!
Report Post »afdbghq
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 2:02amThe TSA should be called the Traumatize American Citizens as that is what they do traumatize grandma, young children, parents of young children, and any other American citizen they feel like but oh never, ever subject the visitor, especially the mid eastern visitors to any type of security procedure for fear of being accused of profiling. Well, that is exactly what we need to do profile people.
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:14amI spend several hours a day in the presence of ex-military people. Smart, well trained, and personable is not, for the most part what I’m seeing.
Report Post »JQuentinEvermann
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:00pmKnowing that the TSA is there to protect me from…oh, hell, the TSA is absolutely worthless and filled with morons that couldn’t get a job in private security.
The TSA should be abolished along with 90% of the rest of the government.
Report Post »Amarilloan
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:06pm“Gotta” agree with that idea. Drop the size of our federal govenment and retrieve our lost freedoms.
Report Post »mtncrusr
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:16pmRoger that
Report Post »Tractorboy
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:34pmThe TSA tactics, pat downs, strip searches, where else does this happen? Oh yeah prison, this is just the presidents use of power through Eric Holder and Nipaldo whats her name to show us how “his people” are treated on a daily basis, these people have a huge chip on their shoulder, what better way to get even than give the people flying, mostly middle class or rich white people the prison treatment?
Report Post »termyt
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:58amLooks like a horrible attempt to copy professional screeners in competent airports like Israel. Only the TSA has no clue how to do it – they are just parroting like a child does with a parent, not actually understanding the reasons for the questions or how to select the right person to ask.
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:59pmI suggest we enlist the patriotic support of vacation travelers, and in particular the retired ones, those with time on their hands; those who can afford to wait for another flight; and have those citizens challenge TSA at every opportunity.
I suggest petitioning the pseudo-American communist Liars Union to put their ASSets where their mouths are – nothing like a civil rights violation to get them going, eh?
AND FINALLY, this being an election year, I suggest we ALL petition our REPRESENTATIVES to put a stop to the madness.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:04pmYeah Wood, that‘ll show ’em. Send them an email, that will change things.(sarc) The thing is, ALL of our congressman and senators (small cap intended) have been bought off by the NWO goons. They are all in on it. Petitioning them will do NOTHING. They will just laugh and circular file it.
Report Post »1776_2012
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:50pmt$@ can choke on it!
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:05pmI am a white European American. When you interact with TSA or any law agency today you must be prepared to be arrested and detained for any reason if you are uncooperative. Remember those WWII movies about the Nazis in France. Its best not to say anything at all not even the time of day. Show them a passport or photo ID. People who are white European Americans or look TEA are being singled out. You must realize that the Government has declared war on us.
Report Post »Azurite
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:47pmHow did we get the TSA (Tough Sh.t America) in the first place.?
We were sucker punched by 911. It was a setup to give us the Patriot Act.
Dick Cheney before he d.cks you!
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:49pmAbsolutely. Never let a crisis go to waste occurred long before Emanuel ever said it.
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:54pmThe need to correct this and other gobblement activities against our citizens, far outweighs your need to have your tin-hat, Bush-bombed-the-Twin-Towers conspiracy validated.
Any reasonable suggestions?
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:31pmit was not a crisis going to waste it was a planned inside job that 9/11 is. hello its pretty obvious now. US goverment agencies were an accessory before the fact.
Report Post »1956
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:54pmI think someone should shove a pipeline up your a$$es and mine you both for all that natural gas you have… at least we could find something useful for you to contribute.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:42pmWhy fly it is not worth it
Report Post »raptor45
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:08pmI completely agree. I‘d rather stick needles in my eyes than pay enormous air fares and then be subject to inspections and questions by a bunch of half wit government employees that I wouldn’t hire in a free market to pick up my dogs‘ leavins’ in the back yard.
People who are offended by this agency should simply refuse to fly….regardless of how important it may be except in matters of life or death.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:50pmThe problem is they’re moving out of the airports. Soon, everywhere we want to go we will be dealing with the TSA. They were at Paul Ryan’s even last weekend. Bus terminals in Califoria. I expect they’ll be at stadiums in the near future. We need to elect candidates that believe this activity is unconstituitonal or we’re stuck with it.
Report Post »Azurite
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:41pmAnyone complaining about this is missing the point.
Paul Ryan VOTED FOR THE PERMANENT EXTENSION OF THE PATRIOT ACT!
Ryan is NOT a patriot! Wake up everyone!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:49pmYou know it’s funny how nobody wants to have their plane blown up in flight, and yet anything the TSA does to stop the bad guys is a violation of your rights.
In any case, this is what the Israeli’s do, and is what a lot or most countries do. I’ve been through this a number of times: where are you going? Where is your company? What do they make? Where are you staying? How long are you staying?
They just ask questions you should be able to answer. If you can’t, you certainly are suspicious.
I think they ought to have one airline for all the people who want no security at all on passengers boarding a flight. You guys can fly on it, but I won’t.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:58pmJZS, The TSA will no longer search a Muslim. How safe does that make you when you fly? Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims or recent converts to Islam.
Report Post »John655
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:44pm@ JZS
Give me an airline were everybody with a carry permit can carry a gun on the flight, I’d fly that airline everytime and it be the safest airline in the country. No screening would be required besides a metal detector and bomb snifer machine. That is the old way of screening. No need for naked pictures of me or my wife and kids and no molesting of myself or family.
Report Post »Zipit
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:40pmJZS…. Do they remove you from your cage, pat you on the head maybe, give you a treat? Roll over, sit, speak JZS speak!!!!!! Good JZS, good boy. Back in your carrier now. You may pass. Thank you Mr. WANGO!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:25pmRJ says, “JZS, The TSA will no longer search a Muslim. How safe does that make you when you fly? Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims or recent converts to Islam.”
RJ, ya gotta stop stealing Sean Hannity’s stuff or your going to be wrong every time. Muslims are forced to follow the same rules as everybody else. Get a grip. And besides, you mean dark people don’t you? Wearing a hijab is a giveaway, but otherwise unless you wear a sticker that says, “I’m a Muslim” how would you even know? Sorry, everybody gets a pat down or a screen.
“All terrorist are Muslim.” Let’s see. You mean the guy that killed all those Sikhs was Muslim? Timothy McViegh was a Muslim? All the attacks on US Mosques are by Muslims?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/17/13321512-attacks-on-us-mosques-prompt-muslim-security-concerns?lite
Abortion clinic bombings and murders are all committed by Muslims? Here, let me help you out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States
The only reason people say “all terrorists are Muslims” is because they have defined terrorism as something Muslims do. When a white guy kills a bunch of Sikhs, or a Norwegian guy murders a bunch of liberal kids, by that definition, is not terrorsism. That’s the only sense I can make out of your (borrowed) statement. If a white guy does it, it’s not terrorism.
Report Post »teebubba
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:36pmWell detractors of the TSA and the Patriot Act back when they were created during W’s Administration said OK for now but when the Democrats come to power these entities will morph into a “Gestapo” and total invasion of everyone’s privacy. I guess they are turning out to be right…
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:13pm@teebubba
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:36pm
Well detractors of the TSA and the Patriot Act back when they were created during W’s Administration said OK for now but when the Democrats come to power these entities will morph into a “Gestapo” and total invasion of everyone’s privacy. I guess they are turning out to be right
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This seems to be the way of all Good Ideas, when corrupt people take charge, EVERYTHING BECOMES CORRUPTED! The BEST Government, is AS LITTLE GOVERNMENT AS POSSIBLE FOR A CIVILIZED SOCIETY! (Much less to become corrupted.)
ChasVoice
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:34pmTSA Agents Spotted Working at Florida Paul Ryan Campaign Event – Hit & Run
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:45pmAs a co candidate of Romney he gets Secret Service protection. I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that it was the Secret Service who had the TSA brought in, and not Ryan himself. Let’s use some common sense here.
Report Post »normalmom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:25pmI could just imagine how they would treat our autistic son. He tends to do alot of self stem rocking back and forth. His behavior would make them nervous. Fact being though he is nervous. This TSA garbage is getting worse and worse.
Report Post »TexPat
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:24pmGive obama four more and you will not recognize AMERICA. He has already brought AMERICA to its knees. Four more and we will have lost 99% of our freedoms and become almost totally dependent upon the government for our existence. If we are to survive as WE THE PEOPLE he and his anti-American agenda must be voted out of office.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:31pmObama is merely carrying out Bush implemented policy. People who ignore this fact lose credibility. Rights are universal.
Report Post »normalmom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:39pmthe jerk, we know it was started by Bush. The problem is Bush hasn’t been in office for quite a while now and the TSA has gotten way out of control and brainless on who they chose to select to get groped. Obama and his cohorts have given them more leeway to invade our privacy and let the suspicious looking ones go to not offend them. Keep in mind it has gotten dramatically worse with Obama in office.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:48pmNORMALMOM, Navin is just in lock step with 0bama’s earliest mantra, “It‘s all Bush’s fault.” Not saying that Navin is an 0bama supporter. Just has rocks in his head.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:51pmNormalmom, I’m with you. But, if we become hypocritical and only point to Obama, we do a great disservice not only to the truth, but to our nation.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:09pmIf Romney gets into office and none of this crap changes then by 2016 we will be in a full blown civil war against the govt and their goon cronies. And I am talking we the people. The 47% leeches will side with the govt and the 53% of us paying the bills will be against them both. It will not be pretty folks. Get your ducks in a row. Learn how to shoot and to survive.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:35pm@The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:51pm
Normalmom, I’m with you. But, if we become hypocritical and only point to Obama, we do a great disservice not only to the truth, but to our nation
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I earned my first quarter doing chores for my Dad, as a 10 year old. Is every paycheck I‘ve earned since Dad’s fault since he taught me how to earn money? Grain of truth there, but I DEFINITELY ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE CURRENT SIGNATURE BEFORE CASHING A CHECK! DAD‘S NAME ON THE SIGNATURE LINE JUST WOULDN’T WORK, it’s current person who hires, who’s responsible. Same with TSA, THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT TREASURER HAD BETTER SIGN THEIR CHECKS, NOT GEORGE W BUSH!
Mil Mom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:37pm@THE_JERK
Report Post »Sorry I meant to say ‘NOT THE TREASURER UNDER GEORGE W BUSH!”
FEMALL
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:15pmOK. Call me crazy. Please watch the Mortal Storm. Just type it into your search engine.
Report Post »Thatsenough
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:00pmSaw it ….great movie, especially when science is dragooned to service the State (e.g. Margaret Sanger and Peter singer)
Report Post »M24
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:09pmTSA Toatlitarian Serpant Aszholes Do You Really Feel Safe With These Vomits ? I Would Feel Safer If The Girl Scouts Were Doing That Job . Have You Looked at the TSA ?In Some kinda Shape Hu How About 13 Weeks at Parris Island , Then They might be Something ,Maybe
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:08pmGetting the populace ready for checkpoints/paper checks.
True Story
About two years ago a small city in West Central Florida where my folks live decided to setup a “DUI Checkpoint”. Every major artery into the city had a stop. While most DUI checkpoints I’ve driven through checked every other car, they checked EVERY car. You were not getting into the city or out of the city with out talking to one of their finest. I saw both city police and county sheriff’s facilitating the “DUI Checkpoint”.
Now, you would think that at a “DUI Checkpoint” you would be asked, “Have you been drinking?” you answer and drive along. Nope, not at this stop because It wasn’t a DUI Checkpoint. It was a curfew check, probably for a training routine would be my guess, because at the checkpoint I was asked, after having my papers (license) requested and turning it over, “Where are you coming from?” I replied that I was at my folks house. I was then asked how long I was there for. Next I was asked where I was going. I replied home. Finally I was asked if I had been drinking, I replied that I hadn’t and they let me pass. I am certain if I had not cooperated, and said something like “The aspects of my evening is none of the Temple Terrace Police Department’s business” I would have been asked out of my vehicle, patted down, made to point at my nose and walk a line like monkey, and treated like a criminal while I waited in a breathalyzer line.
Welkome to the New Amerika.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:16pmYep, Republican and Democrat alike.
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:45pmFinally, the_jerk, you said something we can agree on. The difference between the Donkey and Elephant is rhetoric. They are one in the same and their ends are held in common. Everything else is WWF professional wrestling backstage speeches to get you riled up.
The Elephants make sure the large corporations get a leg up, so that the Donkeys can more easily centrally plan, via regulation, entire markets. The Donkeys like the Elephant’s propping up corporations, and the Elephants love the power of DC central regulation planning. That‘s why no matter who’s in control, big business and big government always get bigger. It won’t be very long before they are one in the same, hell they already are, they’ll just admit with in the next 20 years.
It’s a lot easier to control 10 large corporations via a top down apparatus in Washington than 5000 small businesses. People who pick either side are willfully blind because it’s so painfully obvious.
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Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:56pmKevin, if we sat down and pushed a few back at the Dunedin Brewery, you’d find out that we have more in common than you think. I tend to keep my postings narrow, because the subject matter never sees the time of day in our controlled media.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:03pmTHE_JERK, It’s not really that your posts are narrow, they are extremely shallow, and tend to be baiting.
Report Post »Now, to the Dunedin Brewery. That sounds interesting. I haven‘t lived in the Tampa area since ’77. Glad to hear that some microbreweries are in the area. I hope to visit down there again sometime soon.
Shoot, I’ve got to catch our local microbrewery sometime during their two hours a day open to the public.
Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:05pmIt seems to me that TSA should have a pretty good idea who a person is because of the pre-screening info you have to submit to buy a ticket. They can run your name through crime databases and probably through the same screening that is used for gun checks.
They should not expect Americans to be happy with quasi-strip searches and invasive questioning topped off by an intimidating TSA attitude. Anyone who feels their rights are being violated should complain to both the TSA and their representatives, and make an issue of it on boards like this. If enough people become sick and tired of being treated like criminals when they travel, change will be forced on TSA.
Report Post »GlennaBeckski
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:01pm“Another refusal” LOL at least people aren’t caving quietly. Real quality jobs you’re creating prez!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:01pmlooks like the TSA has been watching the movie The Great Escape for their “new” ideas.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:11pmIt only took over half a dozen attempts to get this to post finally. This one can be deleted.
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:59amTSA is already too intrusive. They are run by left wing nuts like Napolitano. Many people equate them with some kind of gestapo but in truth, they are communist inspired. They are more equal to the old NKVD ,….the Soviet internal police. Obama kept his promise on “change”. He changes this country everyday….to a socialist model. “Hope” has become….“hope he gets voted out soon”. Americans are under some spell or hypnosis. They would never put up with this 20 or 30 years ago. We need to turn off our TV’s and become active in destroying the Obama regime.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:09pmThis started under Bush. Be objective.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:27pmTHE_JERK, Give it a rest. Every time that there is an article here regarding the TSA you or some other idiot tells us that this did not start under 0bama. Well, no ****, you really think that we do not know that? Just how dumb do wish to think that we are? Do us all a favor and dislodge your head from your fourth point of contact then open your eyes. You are getting as repetitive as our 1984′s Brother Winston Smith. You certainly have not revealed anything new to us. The TSA sucked under Bush, and sucks far worse under 0bama. What exactly is your point this time?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:39pmRJJinGadsden, you are living proof that the truth hurts. Now, if you would read the threads to which I have responded, you would see that they are blaming Obama or members of his administration. Reading comprehension goes a long way when writing responses. Try it sometime.
Report Post »Krazy_Kreepy_Ketchup
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:40pm@RJJinGadsden Don’t waste your breath. The guy is a troll. A feeble minded progressive troll trying to pose as someone who has something relevant to say.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:56pmTHE_JERK, Again, pull you head out of your ass please. The threads all over this article have for the most part said that the idiocy of the TSA has expanded exponentially under this administration. It in no way looks to be the same outfit it was when it got started. Just like many of our police departments in no way favor their beginnings. For some reason LE and security departments expand into their own little Gestapos when they discover they have the power to screw with people. They’ve lost sight of their original intent to keep us all safe, and let those who might appear to be terrorists through unscathed while they just harass everybody else. You idiot, having spent my previous lifetime in LE and doing special security and personnel security missions I bet that I have better idea of what they should be doing than you ever will. But, I guess you are just that usual Jew hating, Paultard that you always make yourself to be here. Oh crap, now that I have mentioned the J word you will now go off and preach the USS Liberty to us along with all of your other antisemitic diatribes. Have fun typing volumes like Brother Winston Smith.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:03pmKrazy_Kreepy_Ketchup, it hurts so good!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:14pmKRAZY_KREEPY_KETCHUP, LOL, yeah, but it has been a boring morning until now. Guess I’ll lay off now.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:50pm@The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:09pm
This started under Bush. Be objective.
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And a bird flying over plants a tree,(one quick dropping after eating the cherry) Whether the Cherry tree grows and thrives is dependent on the actions of the property owner where it falls, and whether it lands on ground which would cause it to thrive or not.
Bush may have dropped the cherry pit, but if fell on fertile communist sympathizing ground in DC and those who came after it have fertilized it and caused it to grow into what it is. Can you better understand this way of looking at it?
RLTW
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:58amI recently returned from Israel where this is done rather than many of the more invasive checks, it’s conducted in a cascading fashion through multiple checkpoints along the path to your gate, the number of questions are dependent on your first reaction along the process.
Our TSA and security within the US is not setup for this process, adding it without taking away some other security point or changing the structure of the chaotic cattle line it’s just more disruptive.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:58amIn no way could I refer to TSA employees as “officers”. They remind me more of Subway’s “sandwich artists”…in that they wear gloves on their hands and handle “buns”…
Report Post »Stelex
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:56amAll in the name of safety. Man oh man, what have we done America. We opened the box and now its out.
Report Post »RaydocX
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:52amsadly, the refusal to allow the use of the effective, economic and prudent methods of Israel over an uniformed and illogical claim of racism mean TSA has to come up with their own means of weeding out the bad guys…
so far, the methods i’ve heard of or seen seem unlikely to do that… wiping my drink purchased after passing through security… checking my boarding pass a second time after being through security while standing in line to board… the whole body radiation scans of my 5, 14, and 16 year olds traveling in the US… nope, none of them were more likely to net a terrorist than watching for the signs given off by someone planning to do bad things… see profiling is NOT necessarily a ‘racial’ activity. In fact, race and sex play minor roles vs. behavioral ‘tells.‘ But we aren’t doing that… better to get us passively used to being patted down for doing nothing wrong, and for standing in unneccesary lines under the lie that it‘s ’for our safety.’
In fact, with passenger awareness and reinforced doors, i doubt box cutters would work very well for a five man cell on a 737 flight… We’d take some civilian casualties before the bulk of passengers overpowered and ended the would be martyrs… but i hope once subdued instead of being quick with the cutters they‘d arrange for a ’peaceful suffocation by the ham sandwich filling’ of the in flight snacks… can’t have idiots going to paradise, after all. Sound ‘racist?‘ Not if it’s jihadists, gang.
Report Post »doomytram
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:29amAmericans. Obozo’s false vision of Amerika is analogous too changing the name of our great country to The UGRA (Ununited Greece and Russian Amerika)
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:53amThis did not start with Obama.
Report Post »Stelex
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:00pmIt started with Bush, Obama just put it on steroids and unleashed it on the people.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:03pmTHE_JERK, No, but it fell into the depths of depravity driven by Janet Napalitano and 0bama’s blessings.
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:07pmIt is always the same. This guy is a NoBama 2013 supporter. The Left are all in favor of OTHER PEOPLE having to put up with government intrusion and bullying, but scream with outrage when it happens to them. As a reporter you had the opportunity to speak out, how many years ago? To warn the every day U.S. Citizen that something is amiss in the land. No it was more important to keep your man or women in office no matter how evil, incompetent, all that matter is keep the opposing party was out of office. You helped make this mess so shut up and enjoy it with the rest of us. You are not as special as you thought you are, how do you like it?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:08pmRJJinGadsden, it is our inability to be fair and honest that allows our government to build our prison. These things are not arguments of varying degrees, like so many foolish people try to make them. Infringements on our rights are wrong and oppressive no matter who takes the action.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:17pmTHE_JERK, Fine, your original statement was half assed and misleading then. Glad that you can finally make it clear now. I agree that this should never happened under the Bush admin either, but he is of that new world order and I never did care for him. My heart sunk the day he was chosen as the Republican candidate. I never cared for his father either and consider his choice as vice president the worst mistake that Reagan could have ever made. Bush 43 was simply a better alternative to Gore, then eventually Lurch.
Report Post »doomytram
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:42pm@The Jerk I didn’t say it was all on Obama. I believe that the misinformation campaign that has been going on for years is designed to mask the reality of what is going on.
I merely think that because of the last 50 years of governance we are Like Greece (financially) and Russia(Ideologically) which can’t be a good thing, can it? When you combine Obama’s Spending 6 trillion in 3.7 years vs. Bush’s 4 trillion in 8 years. with Obama’s communist leanings. You get a large percentage of the Blame. You can either blame Obama’s policies on stupidity or misinformation his commie upbringing.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:27amSeems as though the TSA has been watching the movie The Great Escape too much for their new ideas.
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