Politics

Gingrich and Paul Trade Blows on War Record and ‘Chicken Hawk’ Claim at NH Debate

Gingrich and Paul Clash on War Record at Debate

Republican candidate for president Texas Rep. Ron Paul has called former House Speaker Newt Gingrich a “chicken hawk,” for voting to send American troops into war while having never personally served in the military. The issue came to a head during Saturday night’s ABC News Republican presidential primary debate from New Hampshire.

“I think people who don’t serve when they could and they get three or four or even five deferments, they have no right to send our kids off to war,” Rep. Paul said Saturday. “I’m trying to stop the wars, but at least, you know, I went when they called me up.”

“Dr Paul has a long history of saying things that are inaccurate and false,”  Gingrich said when asked about his opinion on Paul’s criticism of his deferment from the Vietnam War.  ”The fact is I never asked for a deferment, I was married with a child, it was never a question. My father was in fact serving in Vietnam in the Me-Kong delta at the time he’s referring to. I think I have a pretty good idea of what it’s like as a family to worry about your family getting killed. And I personally resent the kind of comments an aspersions he routinely makes without accurate information.”

Ready for Gingrich’s response, Paul pointed to the fact that he was married with two kids when he was drafted but, unlike Gingrich, went. The audience applauded Paul’s comeback, drowning out Gingrich’s response that he “wasn’t eligible for the draft.”

ABC News video of the heated exchange:

video platform video management video solutions video player

 

Comments (165)

1 2 3
  • your sensei
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:33am

    I grew up in a house with my parents. I spent my entire childhood as a child with mother and a father. That’s all the experience i needed to know what it means to BE a parent.

    This “gaseous state” is an absolute embarrassment, not just to conservatives and to Republicans and to Catholics and to grandfathers and to fathers and to husbands and to men and to women and to to . . . oh, the list is too long, 7 billion people long.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJeQRM8hGYU

    Report Post » your sensei  
  • Byzantine_Catholic
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:08am

    Why DR. Ron Paul is our best bet to beat Obama (more so than Romney)

    We are ALWAYS told that elections are determined by the “independents and moderate”.. Well guess who wins those voters?

    CNN did exit polling in Iowa and found the following (google cnn exit polls Iowa for more info)

    • Ron Paul won the Independent vote by more than 2:1 (43% to 19%) over Romney
    • Ron Paul won the Moderate vote by (40% to 35%) over Romney
    • Ron Paul won the first time voters by (33% to 17%) over Romney
    • For voters who want a “True Conservative” (37% to 1%) over Romney
    • Paul and Romney tied (26% each) for the urban vote – typically strong democratic vote.

    Dont let the Media fool you that Romney is the only one who can beat Obama by “winning the Middle”

    Vote Ron Paul for Liberty

    Report Post » Byzantine_Catholic  
    • Vechorik
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:16am

      I will!

      Report Post »  
    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:34am

      Same here,and Paul is the only patriot of the bunch.

      Report Post » progressiveslayer  
    • Mr. Oshawott
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:35pm

      @Byzantine Catholic

      I certainly will vote for Ron Paul in 2012. His Constitutional policies are our only hope if we want to save America from becoming a third-world dictatorship/oligarchy.

      Report Post » Mr. Oshawott  
    • Dalton C
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:00pm

      I will vote for Ron Paul.
      He is the only candidate who understands what true liberty is.

      Report Post »  
    • spankadonkey
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:30pm

      Ron Paul is a FRAUD, plain and simple. Most of his recent two debate responses either avoided the question or were irrelevant, even corny. All he can do is TALK Constitution and liberty but what has he ever actually done to uphold the Constitution or improve liberty. If you took the words Constitution and liberty out of his vocabulary he would be lost to say anything meaningful. He uses Constitution and liberty as crutches for an otherwise meaningless message. One need only look at his Congressional record of non-achievement to know he is an empty suit FRAUD. What a guy.

      Report Post »  
    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:59pm

      Ron Paul for Liberty!

      Report Post » Baddoggy  
    • davecoolworld
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 4:37pm

      Ron Paul makes great sense….sometimes. Other times, he seems quite, insane.
      If all the candidates supported drug legalization, the way Paul does, I think all you stoner, Paul supporters wouldn’t know what to do.

      Report Post » davecoolworld  
    • madjack
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 5:34pm

      As I’m not scheduled for a lobotomy before the election, I’m 100% sure I won’t be voting for Ron Paul.

      Report Post »  
    • deac0n
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:17pm

      been hearing that from some of my sources nationaly but it doesnt get published

      Report Post »  
    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:01am

      I find it funny when people say because he wasn’t effective in getting his bills passed or has done “nothing” in Congress, it makes him worthless. With a Congress with barely double digit approval rating, with our liberties disappearing nearly every minute, how is the fact that one of the ONLY people in Congress that opposed all the bailouts and UNconstitutional acts of Congress wrong?

      If you use this as an attack on Ron Paul, then you are saying that you agree with most of what Congress has been doing for the past 30 years. Are you? Are you happy with TARP, Bailouts, Wars, Patriot Act, NDAA, SOPA, No child left behind, etc etc etc…..

      You cry out that we needed to vote the bums out of Congress or that we need term limited because of your dissatisfaction with Congress yet you ATTACK Ron Paul because he refused to participate and “compromise” with the others in Congress who you want to kick out!?

      Then he’s made several speeches on the house floor predicting our economic crises, that they all ignored. Yet he’s done nothing? Had we listened to him and had the rest of Congress worked with HIM, we wouldn’t be in this mess!

      This just blows my mind!

      Report Post » American Soldier (Separated)  
    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on January 9, 2012 at 1:13pm

      Probably, we’d all vote for Paul anyway, because the issue isn’t drugs, it’s LIBERTY.

      Report Post » Norm D. Plume  
  • Bugsyboy
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:57am

    Ron Paul basically stuck in the knife and twisted it.
    Now every time Gingrich opens his mouth, he looks more and more like a slimeball.

    Report Post »  
  • amenic
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 6:08am

    “Not eligible for the draft”? No. EVERY male was “eligible” if they were of draft age, Period. There were 22 DEFERMENTS. Gingrich had a 111 A (3A) listed as : “Registrant with a child or children; registrant deferred by reason of extreme hardship to dependents” You had to APPLY to your local draft board for this deferment. It wasn’t given automatically. As in many deferments, some draft boards were much more rigid than others. They could deny a deferment that another local draft board would grant.

    So, Gingrich chose to pursue a deferment. He could have served as many in his situation did. It appears Paul is correct on this.

    Report Post »  
    • junior1971
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:17am

      Agreed.

      Report Post » junior1971  
    • Love_John_Galt
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:27am

      Looks like Ron Paul gave Glenn Beck the platform for his economic and international predictions. Please note the year was 2002! We were warned..and did NOTHING!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

      Report Post » Love_John_Galt  
    • Raven42
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:07am

      According to my mother, my father (who passed away in October) received his draft notice in 1961 which still listed him as single. He went to the board and showed that he was married and would be a father in about a month. He was also a student at Oklahoma Baptist University at the time. They changed his status and he did not go. It is my understanding he was still eligible but his name was not drawn again.

      Report Post »  
  • Bill Rowland
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 5:19am

    I live in Dr Pauls district and I served 23+ years in the US Army (MSG).
    When congress decided that the promise of free medical care for life was invalid and started making us pay for our coverage, I asked DR Paul (at a townhall meeting) why we were being asked to sacrifice again. The same question was asked by at least one other military retiree.
    Dr Pauls staff took our names and address and promised a reply. That was about 10 years ago and we are still waiting for a reply.
    A phone call to DR Pauls office asking about the reply resulted in the phone being slammed down (this happened 3 times).
    I think DR Paul (and most other politicians) hold the professional military in contempt and only give lip service to the soldier and retirees.
    Different subjeect but I am at a loss when strangers come up to me in a store and say “Thank you for your service” – I smile and say thank you, when what I really want to say is Where were you when i was being called a baby killer and spit on for doing what the politicians sent me to do.

    OMG

    Report Post »  
    • amenic
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 6:26am

      I agree with you on this. I didn’t serve the full 20, but a deal is a deal. Not sure of the Paul incident. My cousin lives near you and had the opposite experience with Paul and his office.

      Report Post »  
    • Jefferson
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:57pm

      Ron Paul receives more donations than ALL of the other candidates COMBINED, from Active Duty Military. He has on MANY an occasion worked to get vets the benefits, and even their medals of recognition to them when they had tried on their own, without success.
      If you live in the 14th district, then you know Dr. Paul has been reelected 12 times, even with establishment DC Republicans (Newt, GHWB etc.) backing his opponents.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW08qK0GhHs&feature=channel_video_title

      Report Post »  
    • deac0n
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:24pm

      i LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO NEVER TRUST SOMEONE WITH THE FIRST NAME bill

      Report Post »  
  • RepubliCorp
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:27am

    What do Jews think about Dr. Kook
    http://www.pjvoice.com/v32/32104paul.aspx

    Report Post » RepubliCorp  
  • MeteoricLimbo
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:24am

    Ron Paul is so far Right he slipped in the back door of the left…

    Liberal satirist, Al Franken’s 1996 book Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot, which included a chapter called “Operation Chickenhawk.” The story details the exploits of a fictional Vietnam War squad made up of Quayle, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan, Phil Gramm, Clarence Thomas, and George Will—all conservative Republicans who were of draft age during the Vietnam era yet did not serve in the conflict. In the story, the cowardly and incompetent squad bungles a surprise attack on a North Vietnamese Army company and ultimately extricates itself from the battle by fragging its gung-ho lieutenant, Oliver North.

    do the math

    Report Post » MeteoricLimbo  
    • Dalton C
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:17pm

      Libertarians do not like to be put on the Right or Left side of the political chart.
      We like to refer people to the Nolan chart:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

      Both Right wingers and Left wingers want the government to force
      stuff on people.
      Left wingers want the government for economic issues and not personal issues.
      Right wingers want government for personal issues and not economic issues.
      Libertarians dont want government for economic or personal issues.
      We believe in true Liberty.
      We believe that any force(unless to stop others from harming others)is a threat and diminishes Liberty.

      Please read, THE LAW, By Frederic Bastiat.
      Please also watch this short video:http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

      Report Post »  
  • Capt. Ron
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:42am

    Lets just elect people that have seen combat not just served in the military!

    Report Post » Capt. Ron  
    • Romney-Rubio 2012
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:50am

      So if you haven‘t served in the military than you can’t be president… that just sounds stupid. I wanted to, I was not allowed because of certain health problems. I tried three branches of the military, then after major surgery you have to wait five years. So if I ever wanted to become president, not that I would, I am automatically out. I have had my father, my brother, my cousin, all serving in the military, I went into the private sector and now you are telling me, FORGET IT.

      Sorry, forget you.

      Report Post »  
    • Romney-Rubio 2012
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:19am

      Anyway, in case you want to watch it, there is a debate tomorrow morning 9AM ET, here is the link: http://url2it.com/leec

      Plus they use the same link, usually to replay the whole debate later.

      We will see the sparks fly when these guys are just waking up. There will be a lot of coffee sold tomorrow morning.

      Report Post »  
    • amenic
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 6:19am

      Missing the point perhaps? Military service should not be a criteria for being POTUS. That would also require a Constitutional amendment. Bad idea. But, IMO if someone seeks is an advocate of war as a preemptive action, or wars of choice, their creditability is reduced if they themselves haven’t served. Or if they have obtained a deferment and chose not to serve. That is clearly the case here with Newt Gingrich. He could have served. He didn’t. I am not aware of any specific extreme hardship involved for the 3A deferment he used.

      Report Post »  
    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:57am

      Capt ron…I would just like to say…That is the dumbest thing I have heard today…

      Report Post » Baddoggy  
    • sawbuck
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 11:25am

      I thought this argument was settled …
      When WE elected the “draft dodger” Bill Clinton for POTUS
      not once , but for two terms.

      Report Post » sawbuck  
  • endgamer
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:37am

    Here‘s what I’m going to do…Since Glenn Beck has been SOOOOO any Ron Paul I’m going to take my $9.95 I send to GBTV, double it and give it to RON PAUL: every month until November…This one’s for you PAT and Stu.. Maybe you should too.. Glenn doesn’t give a crap about you.. I send him emails VERY often and with nothing more than an autoresponder. Senator Marco Rubio had the class to write me back personally on many issues. Ron Paul 2012

    Report Post » endgamer  
    • TomFerrari
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 5:35am

      @endgamer…
      LOL
      so, you think Glenn doesn’t care about YOU, because he does not personally reply to your emails?
      Am I hearing that correctly?
      If so that kind of creepy.
      If I’m wrong, please elaborate.
      As for donating to the R0n PauI campaign, you are certainly welcome to do so.
      We are all at liberty to GBTV, or not to GBTV. It is up to each of us. It is called captialism and free enterprise. Glenn produces a product, and we are free to buy it, or not to buy it.

      You do realize, Glenn gets literally THOUSANDS of emails every single day, don’t you? Even TENS OF THOUSANDS?!?
      This would take a dedicated staff to read and to reply to every single one. NOT very cost effective. NOT good business. Glenn is a businessman, like any other, and is making a profit, not only to feed his family, but also to do CHARITY. He is even starting a charity, that he is personally financing its startup costs!

      (just an observation)

      Report Post » TomFerrari  
    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:00am

      No Tom…I gave up my subscription because he bashes Dr. Paul like a complete fool. Pat and Stu are worse. I was a huge Glenn Beck fan ubtil he started this crap. The ONLY Constitutionalist in the bumch and he makes fun of him. Screw Glenn and his money. All of it plus more went to the REVOLUTION to restore the CONSTITUTION!

      Report Post » Baddoggy  
    • Vechorik
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:13am

      I truly admired Glenn Beck and still agree with a lot of things the says about UN Agenda 21. I agree with a lot he says about the Constitution. If Beck truly agrees with the Constitution, what is his reasoning for “policing the world?” THAT is not Constitutional.

      Report Post »  
    • spankadonkey
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:42pm

      ENDFLAMER- sending money to Paul….. Now that sounds real bright. Let me remind you that Ron Paul is a FRAUD. What a guy.

      Report Post »  
  • Rational Man
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:31am

    Failure of a career politician named Ron Paul

    Paul, who has served 11 terms in three different stages dating back to 1976, didn’t get a single law passed until 2009, when he authored a bill that allowed for the sale of a customs house in Galveston, Texas. Failure is often the norm in Congress, where only 4 percent of proposed bills get a President’s signature, but Paul’s approach to lawmaking is particularly suited to not getting things done.

    Of the 620 bills sponsored by Ron Paul during his long career in the House of Representatives, only four have ever made it to a vote on the House floor and only one of those became an actual law. An analysis by The Washington Post shows that Paul’s success rate of 0.2 percent falls far below that of most legislators, as Paul has chosen to stand up for his personal crusades, rather that build coalitions for more popular, but less ambitious, proposals.

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/12/ron-pauls-long-record-glorious-failures-congress/46661/

    Report Post » Rational Man  
    • Romney-Rubio 2012
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:47am

      Here is the whole debate if you missed it: http://url2it.com/leds

      Report Post »  
    • Mike4Freedom
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 4:31am

      @RationalMan

      Because Ron Paul doesnt propose new laws, regulations, and taxes you think he has fail?

      Because he continually votes NO on everything that is UNconstitutional that makes him a bad politician?

      You are making the argument for Ron Paul. By saying that you like a politicians that RAM new laws and regulations down the throats of the American people. Apparently, you like the current politicians that are passing all those wonderful bills like Obamacare, NDAA, and the Patriot Act. I dont want politicians that are passing 100s of new bills every year. I dont know about you, but I like it when someone sticks to The Constitution because I dont want the ‘Career Politicians’ that will vote to take away my freedoms. I want someone that PROTECTS my freedom not someone that throws them all away.

      I can hear you saying “Ron Paul isnt a good leader because he couldn’t get other members to go along with his bills.”

      DUH! Because every bill that the corrupt politicians try to pass Ron Paul votes NO. Why would the ‘Other Politicians’ support Ron Paul’s bills if he wont go along with their corruption?

      IT IS COMMON SENSE… IT DOESNT TAKE ROCKET APPLIANCES TO FIGURE THIS OUT…

      Report Post »  
    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:02am

      Rationalman…put your straight jacket on and go back to bed…

      Report Post » Baddoggy  
    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:04am

      @RATIONAL MAN Mike4freedom beat me to the punch and said what I was thinking.So you think passing new laws and regulations somehow enhances our freedom from government and improves our liberty? That’s just irrational Man.

      I‘ve never seen so many ’conservatives’ longing for more laws and regulations,my favorites are the unpatriotic act and NDAA,two abominations to the constitution that Paul voted against.If you support either of these laws you’re no constitutional conservative because both are blatantly unconstitutional.

      Report Post » progressiveslayer  
    • spankadonkey
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:52pm

      RATIONAL- Right on, baby. His failed Congressional record, among other things is exactly why he is a FRAUD. The Paulbutz make the excuse that passing laws in Congress is bad therefore Paul is good. What the Paulbutz fail to respond to is the fact that FRAUD Paul never once got anything PASSED that supported the Constitution or enhanced our liberty. But the Paulbutz excuse for that is that all the other Congress people are bad so FRAUD Paul couldn’t get any Constitutional or liberty laws passed. Ron FRAUD Paul – what a guy.

      Report Post »  
    • Byzantine_Catholic
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:57pm

      Let me make sure I understand you… Congress has a 91% disapproval rate and you are upset w. Dr. Paul that he doesn’t work well with these sleaze balls who make Millions by legal inside trading , more millions as lobbyists and routinely end American RIGHTS…

      Do I understand correctly?

      Report Post » Byzantine_Catholic  
  • deac0n
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:34am

    here is something I want to get off my chest
    the biggest problem Ron Paul has is the estabishment republican big wigs. They do not want him because they are afraid of loosing their power. A few months ago I became curious of why he was getting so little debate time and why over and over again I kept hearing that he was unelectable. Things seemed very fishy. It was like someone was trying to brainwash the public. Then the Pualbot slogan kept popping up on everything I read or it was all the dope heads or kids that had no sense. Things just didn’t jell . If this guy was so bad why did it seem that everyone was very scared of him? Things started to fit together than some republican woman in Iowa made a statement on the news that Iowa could not let him come in first or they would be the laughing stock of America. So I really started to research him and a few others and they all have their imperfections. I remember how we got Dole than Bush than Mccain. It seemed like they were all hand picked before the primaries even started . Well how did that work for us? The way I feel right now if they do not want Ron Paul than he must be the one we should have.

    Report Post »  
  • Half2day
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:22am

    Why is it that everytime I hear Ron Paul speak, I get the munchies?

    Report Post »  
    • UrsaMajor
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:12am

      It’s the exact opposite with me. Prob because Paul has no lips. I’ll bet the Wattaburgers took them and hid them in a FEMA camp.

      Report Post »  
    • endgamer
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:29am

      @UrsaMajor..and when they round your arse up and re-educate you in that same FEMA camp you will say why didn’t I listen.. Hopefully they’ll shoot you and throw you in an open pit in front of your family.

      Report Post » endgamer  
    • AxelPhantom
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:29am

      Ursa, now that was funny!

      Report Post »  
    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:31am

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2NsXQcBtOQ&feature=related The brotherhood or darkest

      Report Post » RepubliCorp  
    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:21am

      And what is your favorite snack while listening to Ron Paul? I know,the constitution.

      Report Post » progressiveslayer  
    • UrsaMajor
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:01pm

      If my death results in solving the mystery of Ron Paul’s AWOL lips, Endgamer, then it will truly be an honor.

      An haiku:

      where are Ron Paul’s lips
      taken by the lizard men
      given to the owl

      Report Post »  
  • mbguy02
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:18am

    Can someone tell me why we let these Paulbots spew such non based garbage. Seems to have the look of a Soros run operation. I know Soros has pulled some funding from Obama, wonder if he’s on the Paul train. The attacks are so Solinski. I guess if you repeat a lie so many times it becomes truth….But truth has no agenda…..Give Santorum a chance..He is the real deal….

    Report Post »  
    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:27am

      Curious indeed MBGUY02 : Saul Alinsky – 1971. Hillary Clinton’s 1969 Political Science Thesis (“There is Only the Fight”)
      The radical playbook, aren’t they a charming classy lot! I think it speaks volumes of Dr. Paul but I’m a little slow

      Report Post » MeteoricLimbo  
    • Mike4Freedom
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:43am

      Here is a video for all the people that think Santorum is for small government.

      Judge Napolitano Freedom Watch on Santorum:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gwwmm-cQxU&feature=youtu.be

      Report Post »  
    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:11am

      Yeah let’s give ole Rick a chance to grab our guns,he’s just another progressive with an R next to his name,a big government progressive nothing more nothing less.

      Report Post » progressiveslayer  
  • Paleo
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:14am

    Newt may know what it’s like growing up in a military family, but he doesn‘t know what it’s like to actually serve in the military. His dad does. Ron Paul does. However, Newt does not.

    That is all Paul was trying to point out. He was visibly upset that people like Mr. Gingrich choose to put the lives of others in danger without having to suffer the consequences of those decisions.

    If people like Gingrich, Romney, and Santorum actually served in the military (correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe any of them have served), they might have the same perspective Paul has.

    Then again, they could just be like John McCain.

    Report Post » Paleo  
    • RojBlake
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:24am

      Has anyone noticed this is only a criteria for Republicans?
      Obama…nobody cared
      Clinton (draft dodger)…nobody cared

      anybody see a pattern?

      Media bias…NOOOO (puh-lease)

      Report Post » RojBlake  
    • mbguy02
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:27am

      I call BS..your man was a DR…Yes he saw blood but was he in the fighting? Listen to some facts, not the ones in your dreams. Newt wasn’t eligible, I believe Santorum was not eligible for age reasons. To many half truths by Paul, just look at the way he rambles when called on to defend his comments. Also, how many times can he claim not to know what was being put out. Old senile man needs to retire. How much you want to bet he names his son as VP. A real royal family…

      Report Post »  
    • Taldren
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:42am

      @mbguy02, Never watched M*A*S*H did you? Yes its fictional, but to say that the military doctors that see the direct cost of the fighting don’t know about fighting?

      Report Post » Taldren  
    • AxelPhantom
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:39am

      The Air Force has never had a draft. In ‘62 and ’63 only the army was drafting. Paul was drafted for the army, but chose instead to be an officer in the Air Force where he would most likely never see combat.

      Gingrich was married in 1962 and there was an unofficial Kennedy doctrine regarding the draft and married men wherein they were put at the bottom of the draft list until LBJ changed it after Kennedy’s assassination. “Between 1954 and 1964, the number of men eligible for the draft increased by 50 percent while draft inductions dropped from 250,000 to 112,000, respectively, in those years. “We deferred practically everybody,” Hershey said. “If they had a reason, we preferred it, but if they didn’t, we made them hunt one.”

      http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2008/April%202008/0408draft.aspx

      It rubs both ways.

      Report Post »  
    • justangry
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:02am

      We don’t know what Ron Paul went through in Vietnam. All gave some, some gave all! I don’t think any less of him being a doctor rather than an infrantry man, because it makes no sense to let his surgical skills go to waste. I do think his beef with Newt over this is more emotional than rational, and he didn’t come off well because of it. That being said, he’s still my guy.

      Report Post » justangry  
    • AxelPhantom
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:57pm

      Just angry,

      I agree with you that it makes sense to practice your trade if you were going to serve (one of my son’s is doing it now, another is an “infantryman”) However the point I was making is that both of these guys are using spin to build themselves up and tear the other down. Therefore it goes both ways.

      Report Post »  
    • justangry
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 4:21pm

      Yeah Axel. It wasn’t very presidential for either. Emotions can get the best of everyone. All the best to your boys. God speed and bring them back safely!

      Report Post » justangry  
    • Byzantine_Catholic
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:00pm

      The problem is not if newt served or not.. It is that he AVOIDED the draft several times but has no problem sending YOUR KIDS to war

      Report Post » Byzantine_Catholic  
  • wayne touchstone
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:10am

    where was ron paul at the 2008 election? why didn’t he say this stuff about our great leader now. what is he really up too? he acted like a fool tonight

    Report Post »  
    • CatB
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:14am

      He came off as a nasty little man .. I think I now know why his supporters think personal attacks and name calling are okay. It was quite the little display.

      Report Post »  
    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:30am

      I agree CATB. I was not impressed tonight at all.

      Report Post » MeteoricLimbo  
    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:39am

      Paul / Obama 2012 {Blame America First}
      Yes We Did!

      Report Post » RepubliCorp  
  • JustPeachy
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:56am

    “Chicken hawk???” Really, Paul?!? LOL

    That is funny–but also a tad childish.. lol

    Perhaps he should call you “Turkey neck” and we can call it a day. LOL

    Are these adults or children???

    Report Post » JustPeachy  
    • Br@dley
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:02am

      you don’t know what a chicken hawk is. how quaint.

      Report Post » Br@dley  
    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:23am

      @bradley Do you know which Dr. Paul was referring to?

      I know what it is for people of D. Paul’s age. (any hawk that took your chickens)

      Chickenhawk by Robert Mason, used the word as a compound oxymoron to describe both his fear of combat (“chicken”) and his attraction to it.

      Report Post » MeteoricLimbo  
    • Br@dley
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:29am

      sir, your post didn’t include one coherent sentence. i have absolutely no idea what you were trying to articulate there.

      Report Post » Br@dley  
    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:34am

      Look it up. I gave 2 definitions of chickenhawk……My apologies if my punctuation is not in order Sir

      Report Post » MeteoricLimbo  
    • Br@dley
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:53am

      i know what a chicken hawk is. it’s perplexing that you would submit a definition as i never inferred that i did not know the meaning of the term.

      Report Post » Br@dley  
    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:12am

      Never mind. You are way too sharp for me.

      Report Post » MeteoricLimbo  
    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:19am

      This is the one Dr Paul was making a reference to Sir, but you already knew that. I was just checking.
      Liberal satirist, Al Franken’s 1996 book Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot, which included a chapter called “Operation Chickenhawk.” The story details the exploits of a fictional Vietnam War squad made up of Quayle, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Buchanan, Phil Gramm, Clarence Thomas, and George Will—all conservative Republicans who were of draft age during the Vietnam era yet did not serve in the conflict. In the story, the cowardly and incompetent squad bungles a surprise attack on a North Vietnamese Army company and ultimately extricates itself from the battle by fragging its gung-ho lieutenant, Oliver North

      Report Post » MeteoricLimbo  
    • UrsaMajor
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:20am

      First he uses the Lefty Progessive attack of playing the racist-bigot-homophobe card on Bachmann and Santorum. Then he sites the Lefty Progressive group CREW as a reliable source. Then he uses the Lefty Progressive excuse, “I had no control what those guys wrote in my newsletter,” instead of being an adult and taking responsibility for a newsletter with HIS name on it that put millions of dollars in his pocket. Now he is using the Lefty Progressive attack of calling someone a chicken hawk.

      You Paul supporters must be SO proud! No wonder the Neo-Nazis, Truthers and Occupiers like the guy so much!

      Report Post »  
    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:26am

      Very very well said URSAMAJOR. Clown clones

      Report Post » MeteoricLimbo  
    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 3:54am

      Kookoo birds of a feather flock together

      Why does Paul’s Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, Code Pink, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists?
      Ron Paul Meets the Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth : http://www.myspace.com/video/peace-freedom-are-achieved-through-understanding/ron-paul-meets-the-student-scholars-for-9-11-truth/28483925

      Report Post » RepubliCorp  
  • Mr. Oshawott
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:47am

    That was a seriously EPIC statement Ron Paul has made. It’s time to say “No more” to these unjustifable, unwinnable wars and it’s time to bring our military home. Ron Paul 2012.

    Report Post » Mr. Oshawott  
  • I Love Freedom
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:46am

    Here are some good Ron Paul ads that will be comiing to a TV near you

    http://www.youtube.com/user/SantaRitasuperPAC/videos

    Report Post » I Love Freedom  
    • ashestoashes
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:59am

      Wow..I respect Dr Paul more each time I hear that man speak..He is an awesome person..I know what he means about the guys coming back from war..the ones who do make it back come back broken and I don’t know if they ever heal mentally or emothionally..Dr Paul is an honorable man..and a compassionate man..and if you guys haven’t checked out his foreign policy..please watch this video..it is moving.
      http://americanvisionnews.com/1052/ron-paul-knows-nothing-about-foreign-policy-video

      Report Post »  
  • justangry
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:44am

    You could tell Ron Paul was visibly upset. Obviously his time as a flight surgeon affected him a great deal. I imagine it was pretty gruesome. Lord knows I get indignant when those, who never served, beat the war drums too. Newt claims he wasn’t eligible. Does anyone know where to research this?

    Report Post » justangry  
  • recoveringneocon
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:42am

    Speaking of “snnelG” boy Santorum lets take a look at his Career Vs Pauls

    Santorum got a B.A. in political science from Pennsylvania State University, a
    M.B.A. from the University of Pittsburgh and a Law degree from the Dickinson School of Law then
    began practicing in Pittsburgh at the law firm Kirkpatrick & Lockhart, now known as K&L Gates. Representing the World Wrestling Federation while with K&L, Santorum argued that professional wrestling should be exempt from federal anabolic steroid regulations because it was not an actual sport, rather, entertainment.
    At age 32 elected to the House of Representatives U.S. Senate (1995-2007) after his defeat in the Senate he became a Lobbyist.

    Ron Paul, Doctor of Medicine getting his degree from Duke University’s School of Medicine, then doing his medical internship at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit, after that he served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force and then
    in the United States Air National Guard. After his service he became a
    obstetrics and gynecology, and then began his own private practice delivering over 4000 babies. In between this he has served as a Congress for the Texas’s 14th congressional district.

    A Lawyer/ Career Politician VS. A Medical Doctor / Servicemen / OB/GYN, OBG
    / small business owner / Congressman

    Report Post » recoveringneocon  
    • mbguy02
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:46am

      And Paul wants to legalize drugs. OH! and with a Conservitives best friend Barney Franks. Maximum age should be a requirement. Some time before senility.

      Report Post »  
    • SFsuper49er
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 4:10am

      This is why he gets the young supporters. Believe me… He’s learned how to get votes over the years.

      Report Post »  
    • SFsuper49er
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 4:15am

      Obama knows how to get young Ni-eve voters too.

      Report Post »  
    • dissentnow
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:38am

      @MBGUY02
      “And Paul wants to legalize drugs”

      Actually, he wants to do away with the federal drug laws and allow the states to craft their own drugs laws.

      “and with a Conservitives best friend Barney Franks.”

      Hmmmmmm. wasn’t it Rick Santorum that released a “pro wrestling” ad bragging about his partnership with the likes of Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton?

      Report Post »  
    • dissentnow
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 7:50am

      @SFSUPER49ER

      Who was it again that was warning us about the housing market bubble while all of the republicans and democrats were telling us that we needed more bailouts and TARP?

      Who warned us not to go into Iraq while all of the republicans and democrats were telling us that the war would be a “slam dunk” and that Iraqi oil would pay for it?
      $800 billion and nearly 5,000 dead Americans later……So, tell me SFSUPER49ER, who is being “Ni-eve” ?

      Report Post »  
    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:56am

      mbguy02
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 1:46am

      And Paul wants to legalize drugs. OH! and with a Conservitives best friend Barney Franks. Maximum age should be a requirement. Some time before senility.
      ==================================================

      Only Progressives desire to protect people from themselves:

      ———————————————————————————————–
      “Progressive reformers also took to Prohibition for they saw it as a continuation of their efforts to improve society in general. Temperance societies and Progressives alike saw the need for more governmental control and involvement in citizens’ lives. They were successful in passing several laws at the local level. Between 1905 and 1917, states across the nation were imposing laws that prohibited the manufacture and sale of intoxicating beverages. They did not stop there, however. The temperance societies began to push to change American society and elevate morality through national legislation.”
      http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/volstead-act/

      Report Post »  
  • PJL
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:42am

    For someone who is so anti-war, Paul sure loves to throw bombs. Paul answers to questions are always disjointed and rambling. Mitt was the only one above it all until Huntsman managed to get under his skin.

    Report Post » PJL  
    • UrsaMajor
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:27am

      He’s already used “racist-bigot-homophobe“ and ”chicken hawk” grenades. Next he’ll use the “you WANT dirty air and water” missle followed by the I feel your pain“ land mine before finishing off with the ”Little Sally Muckenfutch of Clearwater, FL, was born without nostrils. Her father lost his job and her mother has lost her sense of smell and taste. They haven’t had insurance for 475 years and owe Eleventy zillion dollars on their Chevy Dart.”

      Report Post »  
    • dissentnow
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:01am

      @PJL
      “For someone who is so anti-war, Paul sure loves to throw bombs”

      The only difference is that Paul‘s bombs don’t kill thousands of people and cost the taxpayers billions of dollars that our country can’t afford.

      “Paul answers to questions are always disjointed and rambling”
      Rick Perry?

      Report Post »  
    • dissentnow
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 8:06am

      @URSAMAJOR
      “He’s already used “racist-bigot-homophobe”

      Actually, i think that your friends on the right have already used those attacks on Paul.

      Report Post »  
  • recoveringneocon
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:35am

    Boy I bet “nnelG” sure wishes santorum served in the Military, so he could have done what only Paul could do. .

    Report Post » recoveringneocon  
  • Cuthalu
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:25am

    Bravo Dr. Paul, bravo!

    Report Post »  
  • Baddoggy
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:25am

    Learn something..If you dare….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5I0E75G8-g

    Report Post » Baddoggy  
  • RojBlake
    Posted on January 8, 2012 at 12:25am

    If this is the kind of attack that goes after Gingrich..tell me again WHY he is unelectable?

    Report Post » RojBlake  
    • TurboCat
      Posted on January 8, 2012 at 2:27am

      Please put a link for the debate that I missed tonight. Anybody out there who can, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!!!

      Report Post »  
1 2 3

Sign In To Post Comments! Sign In

Sign Up For Our Newsletter!

Glenn Beck Radio

Listen to Glenn Beck 24/7 Listen Now
Restoring Love