Gingrich: Stop The Mosque — Make Ground Zero a National Battlefield Memorial
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Comments (127)
Alydia
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:43amSeriously, this does need to be dubbed a battleground. But do you think the PC people in NYC will do that? Islam needs to run out of country like cockroaches in a house! I am getting sick of hearing about “radical Islamist’s” though. Hell, as far as I am concerned they are all radical, sick and twisted! It is to our detriment to underestimate what the “peaceful” Muslims are doing.
Report Post »EntropysChild
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:39pmSame thing for those Timothy McVeigh types!
PS — how many Muslims do you know personally. If you think all Muslims = Al Queda you are ignorant beyond hope.
Report Post »Latoretta
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 3:32pmEntropyschild – you are the moron on this post!! You are obviously the ‘easily swayed type’ perhaps you’ll be at the next Pro-Mosque hearing. As for knowing Muslims – I don’t care to Know Anyone who lives in Our country but rejects our principals and beliefs.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 4:08pmPlease explain to us what “our” principles and beliefs are? I’m curious.
Report Post »Latoretta
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 4:26pmIf you need explaining, you should start by reviewing our Constitution.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 4:47pmRead it LaToretta, thanks. Maybe you can point out the section where it says we can abridge the rights of any citizens or groups that we happen to not agree with.
Report Post »sccm52
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:36amI am deeply surprised that we as Americans have to fight this hard to get heard or get anything done about this mosque on ground zero! Yes, I do agree with Newt on this one! PLUS, I BELIEVE THAT MORE MUSLIMS THAT LEFT THEIR COUNTRY FOR FREEDOM TO LIVE HERE SHOULD STAND BEHIND US AND SPEAK OUT! YOUR FREE TO DO THAT HERE!!!
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:36amThis is the most logical way to go with a memorial as Newt has proposed. Of course until he or some like minded person gets voted in, we are screwed as these over zealous/ politically correct/ liberal socialists that take their backing from Unions and financiers who have terror ties.
Report Post »benditlikebeck
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:33amWe should probably remove all the Churches from the area too considering the Westboro Baptist Church is desecrating flags at Military funerals.
Report Post »queenofcapitola
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:24amI’m in complete agreement with Newt.. and we must stop the islamics from introducing sharia to our country.. their intent is to own America in 40 yrs… They will lie to get what they want. I also believe Islam is not from God… but an evil distortion that has been used to deceive and control people. I pity most muslims since I see them as indoctrinated.. it’s all they know..and they are kept from the truth by the fear. pray that they are awakened to the one true God.. it would change the world..
Report Post »EntropysChild
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:40pmOh good grief … Muslims introducing sharia law here… what fear-mongering nonsense have you been listening too!? Get a life.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 2:56pmStop the Islamics? I would suggest you go out and actually talk to some American Muslims right away to get a bit more perspective, but clearly the more pressing need is for you to research he difference between an adjective and a noun.
Report Post »Gigantopithecus
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:10amGreat idea Newt – it is beyond disgusting that Obama and the Demwits are promoting building a super mosque at Ground Zero. The Imam and anyone involved in this project should be in GITMO. That includes Obama.
Report Post »Latoretta
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:01amThis is the United States of AMERICA – We have the Right to put up an American Memorial not a Muslim safe haven. Where are our Synagogues, Churches and Masonic Halls in the Middle East? We need to ensure our American right and Freedom and Stop this insanity!!
Report Post »torcan
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 12:12pmwtf are you talking about…your ignorance is showing. fyi there are churches in the middle east.
Report Post »EntropysChild
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:36pmJustifying our own actions by the totalitarianism of other countries is moronic.
Report Post »brian8793
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 10:53amMan, you people call yourself Conservatives? All of this anti-Muslim talk is making me go crazy. What ever happened to freedom of religion? What ever happened to MINDING YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS?
Newt has absolutely no right to tell a religious organization what to do with their building, that just so happens to be three blocks away from Ground Zero! This is like some nonsense out of The Twilight Zone. Please STOP all of this anti-Muslim hatespeech, Conservatives…..YOUR BREAKING MY HEART!
Report Post »Gigantopithecus
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:17amMy guess is your heart is bleeding all the time. Conservatives don’t hate Muslims, however you are too stupid to realize that building a mega mosque at Ground Zero is beyond wrong. This is not about religious freedom, this is clearly a VICTORY MOSQUE backed by some very seedy characters and their intention is proven in their insistence of building this at Ground Zero. Now worries, warped views like yours will soon render the Democrat party defunct.
Report Post »LesterWillox
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:42amMr. Gigantopithecus, I’m just as opposed to the mosque as you are, but please stay with the facts. This is not a mega mosque, it’s just a community center with a prayer room in an old coat factory. Hyperbole like this doesn’t exactly make us sound reasonable. And someone has to be, don’t you think?
Report Post »TomLarkin
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:48amIt’s not anti-Muslim, it’s anti-radical Islam and it’s not just conservatives who oppose this. Plenty of moderate Democrats oppose it too but they are afraid to say so for fear of being called racists by the kook fringe within the Democrat Party. Check out any national poll and you will find out that the majority of Americans are opposed to allowing this mosque to be built on this particular parcel of soil when there are plenty of other places that would be more appropriate.
Hint: It wasn’t Irish Catholics who flew airplanes into the WTC. It was Muslim extremists and this is their equivant of flipping us the bird!
Report Post »iwalkalone
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 12:42pmWhat freedom of religion exists in Moslem countries? What tolerance do they show others right here on American soil? You should be slobbering and wailing for the rights of Jews, Christians, women, and gays in moslem countries; and trying to prevent them bringing and imposing their intolerance to our country. Not allowing them to build a memorial to the first victory in the Jihad.
Report Post »rush
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 12:45pmI thought conservatives were all about the constitution.
The opinion of the majority DOES NOT MATTER when it comes to rights.
You’re really putting a bad face on every conservative with this islamophobia. Now how would people take conservative values seriously when we’re clearly being hypocrites.
Report Post »warner
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 10:49amThe “Government ” has no problem classifying state land as National Parks, etc. (to stop oil drilling) so … why not! But that would make the area under federal control…do we really want that to happen? The nut jobs in D.C. would then have the right to do as they will…which is a HUGE problem right now.
Report Post »Just a thought…I agree that the Mosque should not be built. It will be nothing but a sign of victory for those murders. Better wake up America and get out and VOTE!
LIVEFROMWV
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 10:33amIve said this from the very start of this Mosque. Would you let Wal-Mart build next to Gettysburg?
Report Post »CrackpotPress
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 10:09amThis is a terrible idea. There should be some kind of memorial but when we get knocked down we should rebuild… that property can help out NYC alot. It’s been nine years time to rebuild.
Report Post »iwalkalone
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 10:02amThis is the result of a government conducting a disinformation campaign about the true identity and nature of our real enemy. The large contributions to politicians by foreign interests need far more investigation by our watchdog media. The mosque has some unexpected support from politicians whose constituents seem very opposed to the idea.
Report Post »debak
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:53amNewt is absolutely right! No matter your religion, your integrity will tell who you are. Churches all across the USA practice their religion and faith in an honest, open and honorable manner. Then we have this travesty of an abasement of the suffering of America on that fateful day. Where’s the integrity and honor in this?
Report Post »EntropysChild
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:42pmThe disgrace is in the people who are politicizing what good and peaceful Muslims are doing with no intent to defile or defame. They are the travesty.
Report Post »Ikia
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:50amDid I hear this morning that a group of cheerleaders are changing their outfits to accommodate Muslims? Give me a break!
When one comes to a new country, he lives by the rules of that country, not the rules he came with.. Muslims have the right to talk about their Sharia law all they want, but it has absolutely nothing to do with me and America,
I can rape my wife and get away with it by saying I’m a Muslim living in the U. S.??? How did we get so stupid?
Report Post »LesterWillox
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:35amYou wouldn’t get away with rape, and neither would they because they don’t have a special set of criminal laws in America and they never will. I don’t like the NY mosque any more than you do sir, but I think believing that America will ever fall under Sharia law is, with all due respect, paranoid at best.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 2:34pmhttp://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/ Check it out…
Report Post »LesterWillox
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 5:03pmSorry, but I don’t think that your link has any connection to what is happening today. That’s like saying we are violently spreading Christianity in Iraq today and invoking the Crusades as an argument.
Report Post »TomLarkin
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:43amI think Newt’s idea is an excellent one.
Report Post »heidi586
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:37amAmen – It is time to speak boldly…speak the truth…no matter who likes it! Be ready to back up your facts…facts and the truth cannot be ignored.
Report Post »I for one don’t think the mosque belongs there…it has nothing to do with ‘the right to freedom of religion’ but the respect to those who gave up their lives in an act of hatred and war against America. They are free to practice their religion, they are free to have their mosques…but why the slap in the face to Americans…it is causing division…why not change your plans and get everyone behind you? I have no problem if they move it father away. The entire area at and near ground zero should be a memorial and area of respect.
rush
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 12:17pmHeidi,
They’re not slapping americans in the face.
They are american. The guys that flew planes into the twin towers were not.
That’s how you do your associations. Americans vs Non-americans.
Americans are trying to build a community center. Non-americans attacked us on 911.
Report Post »EPHch6v7
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:36amNewt has it right! At every location that Islam has conqured by force I might add, they have built a mosque. We cannot let them think they have ‘conqured’ America too by allowing this mosque so close to ground zero!
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:33amWhatever works to move this insulting victory Mosque! They OBVIOUSLY have NO interest in improving relations by chosing THIS location. The old RIGHT TO BUILD argument is getting old. NO ONE is arguing that fact. Please liberals.. get a CLUE! WHy is this issue getting MORE attention than the JOBLESS rate and the sinking economy?? FOCUSSSSSSSSS D.C. FOCCCUSSSSSSSS
Report Post »EntropysChild
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:35pmIt gets focus because the GOP keeps bringing it up. Otherwise it’s a non-issue.
Report Post »WVRob
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:33amExcellent idea, I wonder why I’ve not heard this idea prior to now. It has my full support.
Report Post »God bless this nation, the families of the victims, and the rescue workers who were all impacted on 9/11.
tapdancintiger
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:31amWhen the Muslims boared airplanes filled with woman and children and unarmed men and murdered 3000+ innocent people…Was the day they should have lost “the American right” to practice their sick religion on American soil. They use OUR laws and PLOT againist us.I ask you>>>>> They dont fight fair…why should we?
Report Post »sccm52
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:20amNot all muslims are bad,( and I really hate to say that)! We have nuts in every religion, but I think the good Muslims that left their country to live here in freedom, should back us up on this issue, which I don’t see to much of !! But I agree with Newt, at the same time, no building the mosque on that site!!!
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:30amWe should always fight fair. We’re Americans. So to that end, why do we call Islam a religion and grant it the rights and protections of , let’s say the Episcopal, or Greek Orthodox Churches? It is a Theocracy that invokes Sharia law, lying and murder for it’s own ends. That is an organized, opposing form of government, building it’s ranks within our country. Look at what’s happening in Europe. Sharia law is running many communities in France and Germany and the UK.
If we treat Islam as what it is, then we can play fair and block the mosque at ground zero
Silversmith
Report Post »CamdenTown
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:49amTAPDANCINTIGER- Do you really believe that rights work that way? Why should the actions of 19 Saudi Arabians mean that American citizens of one religion can’t build a multi-faith community centre?
Report Post »rush
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 12:21pmIf you get to decide that islam is not a religion, then I get to decide that mormonism is not a religion, and catholics get to decide that which ever branch of christianity that’s different is not a religion. And so would the protestants, and Jews should consider all of christianity not-a-religion.
That’s playing fair. And maybe we make some money our of taxing all those churches.
Report Post »miira
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 3:45pmsccm52, not all muslims are bad but their creed is evil to it’s core. From the fatiha, recited 17 times a day, to the ninth sura, muslims repeatedly execrate Christians and Jews. via Robert Spencer’s “Blogging the Koran” :
The Fatiha (Opening) is the first sura (chapter) of the Qur’an and most common prayer of Islam. If you’re a pious Muslim who prays the five requisite daily prayers of Islam, you will recite the Fatiha seventeen times in the course of those prayers.
From Wafa Sultan’s book “A God Who Hates” pg. 168:
“A Muslim prays five times a day, and on each occasion he recites the Fatiha, the first verse of the Koran, a number of times. This verse describes Christians as “those who have gone astray” and Jews as “those who have incurred Your wrath.” We see from this that Muslims ‘execrate’ Christians and Jews a number of times in the course of a single prayer, which they repeat five times a day.
‘execrate’ – an enlightening term . . .let’s explore, shall we?
via dictionary.com
execrate –verb
1. to detest utterly; abhor; abominate.
2. to curse; imprecate evil upon; damn; denounce:
He execrated all who opposed him.
No mosque – anywhere, in which the call to prayer takes place, and in which congregants chant the fatiha – is interested in building bridges or extending tolerance. They are, rather, fully intent on gaining exceptional degrees of tolerance from all non-believers to the degree our hands are legally tied and can no longer fight back. When it comes to Islam, tolerance is a one way street. Believe it or else.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 4:19pmMiira,
Have you read the New Testament recently? I believe there are a number of passages that are a bit hard on those who do not accept Jesus.
The Fatiha literally says that the speaker is praying for guidance in order to follow the right path and not the path taken by those who reject Muslim teaching. It is a person plea, not a call to fight anyone. It is notably similar to the Jewish “Shma” and any number of Christian calls to the righteous.
It was clever of you to look up the dictionary definition of “execrate.” That’s some top-notch investigating. However, I may be wrong, but “execrate” does not sound like a Arabic word. It is a translation and interpretation, just like when crackpots read the Bible and interpret it as saying it is OK to kill abortion doctors.
Your argument is silly and, what’s worse, it spreads misinformation and hate. If I were you, I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.
Report Post »miira
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 5:31pmPubliusPencilman, your vague interpretation soothes only the ignornant. I, among growing numbers, have made the effort to read Islamic scripture & witness hourly reports from around the globe to it’s vile bloody execution (pun intended), as it mirrors the example of it’s prophet. Christians and Jews do not use scripture to draw blood for God or in God’s name. Your tired play on the bible won’t work here. The Crusades were in direct response to Islamic conquest by the sword, after some four hundred years of ‘negotiating’ with the devil. The only one losing sleep are those whose false arguments no longer tread water.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 6:03pmMiira,
If you honestly think that Jews and Christians have not used scripture or their religious zeal “to draw blood” in God’s name, then you are simply ignoring the facts, and there might just be no point in trying to reason with you. I particularly like how you made this claim, and then in the very next sentence mentioned the Crusades. Let‘s remember that when the Christian crusaders captured Jerusalem they engaged in a wholesale slaughter of the city’s Muslim and Jewish inhabitants. When Muslim forces under Saladin recaptured it, they did not (Yes, this was mentioned in that movie with Orlando Bloom, which had quite a number of inaccuracies, but this point is correct).
But, of course, the Crusades were then and this is now. I am not exactly sure what you mean by “tired play” on the Bible. Are you saying my reading was incorrect? Please. Enlighten me.
Report Post »PlaneRick
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 7:29pmMira,
Report Post »While, as you said, made an effort to read the Islamic scripts, have you ever made an attempt to be taught what Islam is today in America, not just to view to it before ever looking. That only lays the ground work for find only confirmation of any previous opinion. That is the same as a Muslim only reading the Bible, with no one to put its message into context. If you’ve ever read the Bible out of context, for just the words present, it turns to be either contradictory or just confusion.
DaveInNC8
Posted on September 4, 2010 at 12:38amEarlier today, someone suggested I do a search on a topic, and I found this website:
http://politipage.com/2010/08/24/islam-is-not-a-religion-nor-is-it-a-cult-its-a-100-system-to-take-over-the-world/
It talks about as population percentages increase, so do the demands of Muslims. After seeing that article, I happen across a story today in the USA Today (Sept. 3, Section A, pg. 7a): MOSQUE CRITICIZES FRENCH BURGER CHAIN: “The main mosque in Paris has criticized French Burger chain QUICK, which is trying to tap into the Muslim consumer market by serving meat certified as halal. As of this week, 22 Quick outlets are serving burgers that it says respect Islamic dietary law. The mosque said Quick’s efforts are meaningless. Mosque official Cheikh Al Sid Cheikh said the chain should have had all other items checked, from mustard to fries. Quick responded that it has no intention of being halal through-and-through — beer is still served, for example.”
I then look back at the website I saw earlier today, and yup, it fits perfect with their playbook. Once a country becomes more than 5% Muslim, they start making dietary demands on their march to total domination and Sharia Law. (France is now 8% Muslim). It is not a religion. it is a 100% system to take over the world. Already, there was a Judge in the US who based his ruling on Sharia Law. Oklahoma has a ballot proposal for November that, if passed, will allow no ruling from any court in the state to base their ruling on Sharia Law. Why would something like this be needed unless there are people who can look further into the future than next week, or the next election?
Report Post »Deutscher
Posted on September 4, 2010 at 1:44am@silversmith. You have no knowledge of German Law. Nowhere in the German Grundgesetz is there a mention of sharia. I‘m thinking you have never been to Germany and have no idea of it’s laws or culture. Stick to what you KNOW. Not what you heard Beck say.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 4, 2010 at 8:47amDAVEINNC8
I’ve read the “playbook” that you are referring to, and it is completely ridiculous. It is interesting that the article you point out does not actually involve Muslims making dietary demands. The burger chain was clearly using a marketing ploy to appeal to Muslim customers, and the Muslim official made the point that for something to be in accordance with Muslim dietary laws, everything has to be halal. You are probably not familiar with Kosher law, but the same thing. It doesn’t matter if the patty is Kosher, if the ketchup is not. The burger chains gesture of using halal patties is, in the same way, effectively meaningless. This is not exactly making demands.
Report Post »deathbyradio
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:29amI want us to rebuild the twin towers, just like the originals but up to snuff. Sure beats a hole in the ground or a glass tower? :)
Report Post »LJ_4_JESUS
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:23amIf you run you got my vote.
Report Post »Suzanne1964
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:29pmMine too!
Report Post »rwilkinson
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:19amHas anyone ever stopped to think that the Christians may be the only ones who put down their swords “after the crusades were over”?
I like the idea of a national battlefield park… but I would rather re-build the twin towers a floor taller, and let that floor be the monument for those killed by jihadists( islamic crusaders).
I’m torn between which is the more important of the two issues above, or are they one and the same?
Report Post »ClearwaterCop256
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 10:26amTrue, and I was thinking maybe the swords from the Muslim Crusades, which were more in number and greater in violence and before the Christian Crusades, may have not been put away either.
Report Post »PlaneRick
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 2:01pmLest we forget the victims of “Christian Crusaders” of the last century, for they lie in Ireland, Mainland Europe, America, and Africa. We just don’t put the same title on them
Report Post »dollfin
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:06amGood idea Newt!
Report Post »PlaneRick
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:25pmhow is that a good idea?
Report Post »Suzanne1964
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:28pmTotally agree. One of the reasons the left hates Newt is that he speaks common sense and says exactly what he thinks. I am hoping that he runs for POTUS. The left is very afraid of him!
Report Post »PlaneRick
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:57pmCommon sense didn’t built this nation. The unalienable rights of man were not common sense when they were written. The bill of rights were not common sense when they were written. “Common Sense” doesn’t tell someone to stand against a greater fighting force (The British Army) and stand by (and probably die) for the beliefs you feel supersede man and nature. Sadly, similar logic can be applied to the terrorists who took down the towers. That is just the power a small group can do, either superb greatness or superb evil. Dismantling our rights piece by piece is definitely not greatness nor common sense. I am a moderate by reasonable definitions ( I wish McCain had won in 2000) and it is talk like Dr. Gingrich’s that makes me votes towards the left.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 3:34pmLet’s hold our horses here and stop rewriting history for a moment. Newt‘s problem isn’t that he speaks his mind. He’s no straight-talking knight in shining armor. The reasons Newt has often been considered unelectable are that he has been married about a dozen times, he divorced one of his wives on her deathbed, he not long ago admitted to being a pill-popper, and he lost a whole slew of major political battles to Bill Clinton in the 90′s. How is it that so called “values voters” like Newt and hate Obama? Seems like a lot of hypocrasy here.
Report Post »umrebel1991
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 4:39pm-Planerick. Once again you have showed your ignorance. I am a history major and you saying the Bill of Rights were not common sense is absurd. You must have forgotten about Thomas Paine’s book titled “Common Sense.” This book clearly was full of what is currently in the Bill of Rights, even down to Presidential and Congressional rights and limitations. Take a history lesson sometime and you might understand some of this.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 5:26pmUMREBEL1991,
A history major! Good luck with that. History is important, but so is reading comprehension. What Planerick meant was that idea that a country needed a document such as a Bill of Rights or even a Constitution to protect its ALL citizens was not common sense. Previous to this, contracts like the Magna Carta might protect the rights of the nobility, but commoners were usually more or less on their own almost everywhere else on the planet. That is not to say there were not laws–but they did not apply to everyone and they did not protect people’s rights unconditionally. This you should know, being a history expert and all.
Yes, you are right. Thomas Paine wrote “Common Sense” (a pamphlet and not a book as you claimed). Of course, just because he entitled his essay that does not mean that the sentiments it expressed were popularly considered common sense. Regardless of what we might think today, Planerick is exactly right in asserting that the concept of “unalienable rights” was not considered common sense at the time, and was in fact an anomaly among governments across the globe.
Keep hitting the books, and take care before you go and call others ignorant.
Report Post »PlaneRick
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 5:48pmumrebel1991 If you had bother to actually read all of what I had written. I stated that it was not common sense at that time, and as you rightful presented, Paine’s pamphlet was his attitude and logical recourse towards what the common sense should be rather than it’s current state in 1775; that is why he wrote it. That is what is called CONTEXT and I clearly put my argument in such, not what you have just construed it to be. Context is also important when study history, which I hope you professors pushing, because without context, we can never empathize with the subject to gain the deeper meanings.
Report Post »capnjack
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 9:03amI like that idea, it would put an end to the debate once and for all.
Report Post »srdem65
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 10:56amI agree. It would be a place to honor and reflect.
Report Post »I’m sure the families and loved ones of those who perished that day would agree.
God bless them all.
StrengthandHonor
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:10amI LOVE this idea!
Just one question: WHY did it take soooo long to come up with this idea???
iatoala
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:18amNewt your a frickin Genius! I’m starting to like that guy.
Report Post »eddiek
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:31amNewt…He’s had my vote. He was considered unelectable because he says exactly what he thinks, not what he thinks the people want to hear. This…from the vey same people that whine about dishonest politicians. It took a Carter Presidency to get a Reagan(to recognize the need for a Reagan). It just might be that alll over again, An Obama Presidency spells the need for a Newt.
Report Post »CamdenTown
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 11:46amSRDEM65- Generally the families of the victims of 9/11 do not speak with one voice, with many individual 9/11 relatives (and organisations such as September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows) supporting Park51. Generally those who support it share the opinion of Donna O’Connor, whose daughter died on 9/11, “This building will serve as an emblem for the rest of the world that Americans . . . recognize that the evil acts of a few must never damn the innocent.” (http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2010/aug/06/ed-damaj06-ar-414971/)
They argue that Park51 is both a) Not a mosque and b) Not at, or viewable from Ground Zero and that there is nothing more America than encouraging the freedoms so many Americans have died for. That includes freedom of religion.
Report Post »PlaneRick
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 1:24pmTo me, it sounds like a horrible idea. Newt is saying, lets stop people from building a community center that shows the non-fundamentalist Muslims as they really are by slowing down peoples‘ rights to do what they will with they’re private property with anointment of this area as a battleground memorial. A memorial to an ongoing war where we have placed more American into death’s path than those who have died by terrorism alone. Dr. Gingrich is dishonoring the lives lost, by saying, indirectly, what makes the USA great doesn’t apply to all citizens. The rights our friends and families have sacrificed for would be lost if he has his way. The terrorists are winning…
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umrebel1991
Posted on September 3, 2010 at 4:31pm-Planerick. If we followed your logic then there wouldn’t be any historical or battlefield monuments. The monuments are always against one side of the conflict. Just pick any monument and you can see that the winning side or an event is what it usually supports. For that to happen someone has to lose or cause it. Ground Zero should be a place of remembrance. These were our fellow Americans that died there for NO reason. If you cannot realize that and don’t think we should remember these heroes then you need to get out of this country, because we sure as hell don’t want you.
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Posted on September 3, 2010 at 5:47pm-umrebel1991 If you had bother to actually read all of what I had written. I stated that it was not common sense at that time, and as you rightful presented, Paine‘s pamphlet was his attitude and logical recourse towards what the common sense should be rather than it’s current state in 1775; that is why he wrote it. That is what is called CONTEXT and I clearly put my argument in such, not what you have just construed it to be. Context is also important when study history, which I hope you professors pushing, because without context, we can never empathize with the subject to gain the deeper meanings.
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Posted on September 3, 2010 at 6:20pmumrebel1991 If you actually followed my logic, judging by your response, I would be amazed. How does my logic, as previously stated negated all monuments? My argument was clearly that Dr. Gingrich’s reason for place the monument, as he stated in the presented audio clip, is to slow down construction of the “Mosque”, or rather the Islamic community center (non-Muslims can’t enter a mosque), being built nearby. By doing such, for his given reason, he is dishonoring the deaths of the Muslim Americans (non-terrorist for those who see Islam and terrorism as synonymous) who died in the towers. How dare you forget that some of those Americans were Muslim!!! On top of that, Dr. Gingrich would be casting a shadow over the Muslim American soldiers who have died fighting for our right to build such a place. I hate Ad Hominem attacks, but as someone who lost close friends who have died in the Pentagon, Iraq and Afghanistan, you are only wasting you education. If you could not discern that my argument was to Dr. Gingrich’s reasons and not to a memorial on the Ground Zero (two CITY blocks away from said site), then you need to start doing you homework. As someone studying in academia, it seems obvious you made you opinion before arguing the facts and that makes for the worst kind of graduates. Newt Gingrich’s call impediment on other right to worship (if that was even the case) is the hypocrisy the Islamic fundamentalists want to further their causes. While your studying, look as see what the Founding Fathers said of Islam for yourself. It differs greatly to that of those who supposedly are taking up their cause.
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Posted on September 14, 2010 at 7:17pmwe get the RIGHT Americans back in authority and WE THE PEOPLE will do just that.
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