‘Give Them a Good Punch’: Pastor Says He Was Joking When He Told Parents to Hit Their Gay Kids
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Pastor Sean Harris (Image Credit: The Fayetteville Observer)
A North Carolina pastor is trying to temper the storm following controversy surrounding some recent comments he made about corporal punishment and homosexuality. Pastor Sean Harris says he was joking when he told parents to punch their sons if they show any signs they are gay.
According to The Fayetteville Observer, the faith leader made the comments when he was preaching at Berean Baptist Church about marriage before next week’s vote on a state constitutional amendment. The comments quickly made their way out into the blogosphere.
The Observer has more:
Harris’ comments spread rapidly Tuesday on the Internet after a snippet of his fiery 55-minute sermon was posted to several blogs.
In the clip, Harris berates parents who see boys dressing like girls without “squashing that like a cockroach.”
“Can I make it any clearer?” he yells on the recording. “Dads, the second you see that son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give them a good punch. OK?”
Laughter and a few shouts of “Amen” can be heard in response.
Here’s audio from the sermon:
“If I had to say it again, I would say it differently, no doubt,” Harris said earlier this week. “Those weren’t planned words, but what I do stand by is that the word of God makes it clear that effeminate behavior is ungodly. I’m not going to compromise on that.”
Harris says he does not advocate hitting children and wishes he could take back the remarks. Gay and children’s rights advocates have reacted quite starkly to the comments that continue to be reported on blogs and in media. The Observer provides some of their comments:
Harris’ remarks drew fire from gay rights campaigners.
“I feel like we have our very own Westboro Baptist Church right here in Fayetteville,” said Storm Silvermane, president of the Alliance, an advocacy group for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people in the Sandhills.
Silvermane was referencing the church that pickets soldier funerals with signs calling their deaths America’s punishment for tolerating homosexuality.
Advocates for children were unimpressed, too.
“We do not condone any violence against children by anyone,” said Roberta Humphries, executive director of Fayetteville’s Child Advocacy Center.
The entire sermon can be heard, below:
The constitutional amendment in question would make marriage between a man and a woman the only legal domestic union in the state. However, gay marriage is already illegal in the state, so amendment opponents argue that the proposal’s language is unclear and could have wider consequences.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Comments (76)
FromSeaToSea
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 5:37pmI am gay. My wife is gay. My daughters are gay. My son is really gay. We are an openly gay family. We live in a gay community.
Were all born again believers too.
No we are not homosexuals and lesbians. We are God fearing lovers of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »The pastor is to be commended for speaking straight from God’s Work. If you don’t like the truth take it up with God. Please try rightly dividing the Bible also.
Endeavor1
Posted on May 12, 2012 at 10:50amSpoken like a true brainwashed fool. I suppose if he puts out some “special” kool-aid you would line up the same family to drink. This guy is telling people to abuse children blantanly and you support that because your religion says its ok? No wonder christians in past and present are blind. Sacrifice your own child….that was also something that was ok in christian believe right? If he told parents to do that to their children suspected of being gay you‘d support that as well I’m sure.
Report Post »FromSeaToSea
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 5:30pmGreat sermon. A man of God. A friend of man. Wise words.
Report Post »I am gay and I fully support this preaching.
The pastor is gay. His congregation is all gay. Jesus was gay.
Check Websters 1930 additon.
watashbuddyfriend
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:13amSeems to me that Sean Harris needs to get a handle on some Bible Doctrine? Are we not what God created US to be? What about the Third Child Syndrome? As I have said, ‘…it is more to the Bible story of S and G than what God has revealed….’ We humans are ALL handicapped in a certain way! It is just like being left-handed in a right-handed world!
Report Post »cashe
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:54amOur pastor friend is, as they say, weapons grade stupid. He apparently believes that for a boy being effeminate or gay (they are not the same) is an affectation that can be eliminated by slapping the kid around. Putting judgement of corporal punishment aside, if it was that easy to be rid of gayness, there would be no gay people in this world. Do the pastor, or anyone else, believe that a young person can stop being gay with the aid of strong discipline?
Report Post »GodsavethePeasants
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:30amThe Associated Press contributed to this story. That says it all right there, as well as coming from local paper that went out to get gay ‘rights’ groups to comment on homophobic preacher angle it appears. Of course it is slanted and not in the context of the sermon, as testified to by some who were there; I would take their word over media and bunch of blog trolling atheist any day. I always wonder about these guy groups, who all claim they were born that way and it is natural for them as to why they align with bisexuals and transgender? Are they born all ways, or born gay and perversely enjoy straight sex,or vice-verse, or do all the perverts just like to have a big group hug? I think I will just hide in my closet during the parade/debauchery.
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:15amare you deaf? The sermon is right here for you to listen to and there is no doubt as to what it meant. There is no “out of context”, there is no “liberal bias”, there is no “disinformation”. This “pastor” claims, in church, that you should slap your kids around if they show any signs of gayness. Of course, he gets to decide what‘s gay and what’s not. He knows what a real man and a real woman are. He even knows what little girls should smell like! Accusing liberals of making up stories just proves that you suffer from liberal derangement syndrome. Anythng you disagree with, you label liberal. Liberals didn’t make up this “pastor out of thin air. He exists and he poisons the minds of the members of his congregation.
Report Post »Christianmyson
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:10amIf you decide to punch, don’t punch to hard, if they blead you could get aids just saying….
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:19pmSeems like the pastor was being a bit humorous and sarcastic. I think the comment was funny. I’ve told my little cousin before, when he’s being a nuisance, anytime I hear you crying like a little girl for no reason at all, I’m gonna hit you right in the mouth. Works like a charm. Anyone that got offended by what the pastor said maybe needs to get a good punch right in the mouth. Stop being a bunch of sissies. It’s obvious no father in their right mint would punch their son in the mouth. Obviously, the pastor did not intend for fathers to actually go home and give their kids a bloody lip.
Report Post »PsychologyGrad
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:22amThere is nothing funny about abuse. At all. I work with kids that suffer all different types of abuse. Physical, emotional and verbal are all forms of abuse. You can’t tell someone to stop being a sissy. It doesn’t work like that. If it did, believe me, I would have an easy job.
You say that no father in his right mind would punch his son, but there are millions of cases a day where, in fact, this does happen. I see it all too often. In fact, we motivated me to work with children that have experienced trauma was my own personal experience similar to this. My siblings and I lived with a Baptist Pastor who physically, emotionally and verbally abused us for years. And because he was a pastor (still is!), he was able to get away with it. It isn’t funny. It does hit home. And it does hurt. Words can do just as much damage as physical violence.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:03pm@PsychologyGrad That’s taking it too far, and out of context. I’m sure there are many children that get abused, and I don’t mean to diminish or ignore their suffering. BUT, no one is talking about actual abuse here. The comment was made in good gesture. Heck, I’ve known school coaches that speak harsher than this pastor. My coworkers, and schoolmates, talk way more harsher than this pastor. And guess what? We’re just kidding around, making jokes, and having a good time. Sure, someone who has dealt with real abuse might be insensitive to the comments, but to be honest, I’m getting sick and tired of ALL OF THIS politically correct stuff. Our society can’t say two words anymore, because it might offend someone. I consider all that BS. The pastor did and said nothing wrong, when taking everything within context, and considering his true intentions, and not coming to conclusions by one minute soundbites.
Report Post »zoro51
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 10:00pmto berate hate HIT abuse thier own child be it straight or gay this SO CALLED PASTOR nees to be REMOVED. bullyining is harsh enough already wiht out the parents WHO ARE TO PROTECT joining in wiht the bashing… ROT IN HELL CHRISTAIN ALL YOU DO IS CONDEM HATE N KILL
Report Post »tonyke
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:27pmPro 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
jray
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:24amyou politically correct ****** make me sick, maybe slapping the hell out of your gay child will get him to man up and help him from catching aids and dying a horrible life. If more homosexual kids got there ass whipped they wouldn’t be such liberal cowards. Man up you fruit loops!
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:19am@JRAY
Report Post »Spoken like a true Neanderthal. And what about the terrible psychological effects these abused kids will have to endure for the rest of their lives? Why do you think there is such a prevalence of teen suicides in the gay community? Because of the kind of bullying you are advocating
LaBelle
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 8:22pmMaybe he meant “A nice Hawaiian punch”. :-)
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 8:31pmThat’s what they give in Hawaii!
Report Post »InversionTheory
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:05pmCareful….You might still get charged with abuse if the child later develops diabetes from the sugary drinks. ;-)
Report Post »taco_almighty
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 7:59pmI used to go to this church when I was stationed there at Fort Bragg and I can honestly say that Pastor Harris is a great man, and I am sure he didn’t actually mean for parents to punch their children. He‘s also at an unfair advantage there in Fayetteville with the amount of leftist wacko’s running around out there. He and his congregation are one of the most conservative in the area, which is one of the reasons I enjoyed going to Berean every week. As for telling parents to watch out for their children going gay or lesbian, it’s a bible believing church. And in that very book that they preach out of there are some pretty important things that go right along with that way of life, which anyone with a few free minutes could look up at their leisure and maybe gain some perspective on why he feels the way he does.
Report Post »DanielleLynn
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:51pmI go there now, and you are absolutely right! He never meant for it to mean we should be violent towards children or gays. His words have been taken way out of context.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:35amThis pastor is nasty.
Report Post »ToddH
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 7:44pmIt sounds like he was getting carried away in that short snippet, and he probably had a better message in the entire context, but the way the attention of the church has turned these days, you’d almost expect the gay issue to be the only reason people go to church: to prevent their kids from being gay. Aren’t there other reasons?
Report Post »Also, why would a boy put on a dress and prance around with a limp wrist and want to behave like a girl if he is so biologically a boy? Why would a girl want to be butch if that does not feel natural to her? I don’t understand: Is the premise that Satan wants us all to be the opposite sex of what we are? Especially at the young ages he is talking about (4 yrs old) I don’t advocate taking a hard line on gender roles. I think that is unhealthy.
Now that this video is everywhere, he really should watch out because the gay activists are going to send a plant his way in the form of a sexy teenage boy lover who will flirt with him and offer to do all those nasty things his wife won’t do, and he better REALLY practice what he preaches or his career will go the way of Ted Haggard’s.
The Gooch
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:49pmI’m sure Dan Savage would be happy to return the favor to the pastor with the hideous donkey punch.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:25pmI swear some people have no sense of humor. How many times have parents threatened to pop their kid for something they said or did? This is no different. Blown way out of proportion.
Report Post »DanielleLynn
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:16pmI am a member of this church and was there for this sermon, and let me just say that this snippet from the sermon was taken grossly out of context and is being blown way out of proportion. It is a 2 minute blip taken out of a 55 minute sermon. As a member of the church I can say we are not extremists, we do not hate gays, transgenders, or bisexuals, we do not picket military funerals, and we certainly do not promote abusing children whether they are gay or straight. When Pastor Sean was saying this bit that has become so controversial, he wasn’t referring to breaking bones or beating your kid. When he said “crack that wrist”, he meant flip it up, not break it, and when he said give your kid a good punch, he was referring to those moments where dad’s play rough with their kids or give them a good, but playful punch in the shoulder or chest because that’s what they do to toughen them up. The congregation got this and that is why we chuckled, because we can all think back to those moments where our parents have done the same to us. Was it worded poorly? Yes, but I don’t think in his wildest imagination Pastor Sean believed his words would be used to paint him as a bigot and child abuser. Those of us that know him and are members of the church know this is not the truth. More so, the latter part of the sermon where he addressed how we should treat gays, in a loving and non-homophobic way, was entirely left out. I hope people consider giving him the same tolerance they ask f
Report Post »ToddH
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 7:45pmThanks for clearing this up for us. It is good to hear from a member of the church. I hope you are also posting your info on other sites (especially liberal sites) because when they hear this they will have a coniption fit. It doesn’t sound good.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:26pmHe’s probably just speaking from experience of what he went through when he was a lad. Abuse does go in circles, after all.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:33amAnyone who goes to a church where the preacher gives 55-minute sermons is obviously a masochist, and, therefore, in no position to cast the first stone at somebody else for being gay.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:34amWhy would some all powerful being create creatures capable of reason and then demand that they act in a manner contrary to their creation?
Report Post »VanceUppercut
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 5:45pmSorry, you can’t beat the gay away.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:29pmI don’t know if you meant that post to be funny, but it sure made me chuckle.
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:43pmBut you can dance it away.
Report Post »InversionTheory
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:08pm@Vance — Unfortunately, plenty of parents and bullies do give it the old college try anyway.
@AB5R — That didn’t work either. I hate dancing.
Report Post »trueamerican40
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:43pmGet off this gay kid crap! The outcome of your children DEPENDS on how you raise them. They are not born gay…they were born to be loved and taught the truth not LIES.
Report Post »Jaxco
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 5:43pmexactly… and the pastor was 100% right.
Report Post »texasderek
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:21pmIn my many years on this planet I have noticed that you folks who condemn a good disciplinary spanking, not a beating, tend to have some really messed up kids.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:32pmpunching and breaking wrists is not spanking. humiliating your child on Youtube is also rather “un-Christian”.
i’m all for a good spanking – i was spanked by my parents and paddled at school. this is obviously over the top.
Report Post »JP4JOY
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 5:04pm@Philly
Report Post »Obviously not enough discipline from your parents. The Pastor never said “break their wrist”. You seem to not REALLY understand the differences. When we were disciplined at school they were referred to as SWATS and generally feared not referred to as paddling.
TH30PH1LUS
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 5:49pmParents being charged with responsibility sounds harsh to the ears of a nation which has broken its moral compass and is adrift on the ocean of meaningless atheism.
While the pastor may have failed in his choice of expression, the motive and moral standard is right on target.
Regarding sexual identity as well as every other aspect of life – Parents should be mentors, not BFF’s to their kids. Parents have become so lazy and fearful it’s pathetic.
Regarding corporal punishment – I recieved it at home and at school, and I am better for it.
“He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him” Proverbs 13:24
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:29pmI am sorry it is a parents job to embarras the crap out of their kids.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:14pmBy the time a kid can decide to be gay he is to old to beat anyway.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:15pmI actually started to believe my Mom when she said guys become GAY when they can’t get a girl and they have WOMEN problems because of issues with MOM and not being able to please Dad. Could be something to that? Most sure do seem ANGRY and messed up.
Report Post »InversionTheory
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:19pmIf a group of people with no interest in how or why you do what you do was constantly reminding you that they know your motivations better than you, that those motivations are evil and you need forgiveness for how you feel, you might get angry too.
I have a good relationship with both my parents, don’t have any issues with women (unless you want to count not being interested in sleeping with them), I was never abused. Yet…Being gay…feels right, feels better to me in a way I can’t really put into words. I know that‘s not convincing to you and it probably shouldn’t be. I wouldn’t accept personal experience as proof of God either.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:08pmand people wonder where Atheists get their values from. this sicko should be so lucky to have the values of an Atheist.
oh, and he’s probably gay.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:16pmAh… the Compassion of Nature… for the Suffering of Preators eating Prey!
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:23pmthere may not be much compassion in nature, but humans have evolved to have empathy for fellow humans whom we don’t even know. there is a difference between Darwinism and Social Darwinism. for Social Darwinism, see the GOP.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:46pmSo you believe… that Nature, the Creator. can create something better than the Creator?
Report Post »this1can
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:02pmProverbs 23 13 Withhold not discipline from the child: for if you strike and punish him with the rod, he will not die. You shall whip him with the rod and deliver his life from Sheol Hades, The place of the dead.Gods words not mine. I guess you could say I’m old school I was raised with the rod. talking didn’t work with me the rod was the only thing I understood I guess that could be bad, Some just need more of a push than others. It taught me to flow in the right direction. I couldn’t see myself being gay, but if I was and my father knew it. I would want him to knock it out of me. Love/Pray
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:33pmThis totally explains OWS. None of them were disciplined by their parents and time-out was a joke to them.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:36pmPunishing a kid for what he does is one thing, punishing a kid for what he is, that’s just plain sick. If you were gay, you would not want your father to try to knock it out of you.
Report Post »sizzlinsexybeckster
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:40pmThis man is gross,mean, and sick. He’s only pretending he was “kidding around‘ because he knows he’s in deep doo doo.
People need to stop being gay bashers and bullies. Sure there are those living in Vegas or wherever, mostly females who aren’t gay but are total sluts because of all the lesbian media in movies and with the celebrities acting like being a slut is “just experimental youthful stuff”. That is all crap. Teaching our kids to be sluts is gross.
But gay bashing the real people who strictly are actually gay or lesbians is so mean. These people didn’t choose to be that way. While the egg and sperm are transforming together and infusing, sometimes the chromosomes aren’t perfect. Some humans result in having chromosomes for a male body but with the female brain chemicals on the inside… and vice versa. That’s just the way it is. I have loads of gay friends who you’d never know they were gay men. But at those get together parties, it’s like chatting it up with your girlfriends. They talk of marriage and how life is living with “Derek” and all that stuff. You people are too mean. Not all gay guys look like the weirdos who are half naked – or fully naked – and prance around at those parades. Yes, those guys are embarrassing and even the gay guys lower their head and say “oh man look at that guy, he’s messing it up for us!” They think the same thing we do when we see silliness in a crowd.
This pastor is nasty, rude, a waste of skin.
lukerw
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:57pmSo, I guess… Old Testament & Koran… Cane Beating… it out of the Question?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:03pm“Some humans result in having chromosomes for a male body but with the female brain chemicals on the inside” Yea and science tells us that some people are born with a predilection towards alcoholism. Should we pat them on the back and say “God made you that way, drink yourself into oblivion and be the best drunk you can be!”?
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:48pm“he knows he’s in deep doo doo”
Why? For preaching the word of God? Is this country not free any more?
Why would this guy be in “deep doo doo” when he is preaching in church as opposed to a government endorsed man harrassing high school kids and commiting blasphemy by saying the bible is bs? You see, you are blind…spiritually blind as to what is “good” and what is “bad”…of course the bible tells us that will happen:
1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
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2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
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Jude 1:18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.”
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Isaiah 5:20
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:43pmYet they remain silent. Poll your gay men friends ask them how it was growing up with their dads? Did they have a close relationship, did dad play ball and/or give them love and attention. Then report back your findings. I would almost bet the majority never had a positive father figure and are looking to other males to get that love they didn’t have with their father. Other men are used to fill the void.
Kinda like moderate or Liberal Muslims who don’t speak out about Radicals.
Remember silence means agreement.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:47pmWhat the pastor was being a comedian for heavens sake. Isn’t that what you leftist say when a comedian says something out of line to Christians? There a comedian, you can’t take this stuff seriously. Well this is the same. The pastor was being a comedian. Suck it up!
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 9:50pmI know…We are supposed to train up a child in the way they should go and when they get older hopefully they wont depart from it. Nothing wrong with spanking with the rod every now and then too. Thats biblical also. Do it once or twice and odds are you wont have to do it again.
Report Post »Thank God mine all grew up straight. I would train em all the same and fight it all the way-if they chose homosexuality, I would still love em-but would never condone the behavior.
To the guy who has a lesbian daughter and he would rather go to hell, then let her go.
Then that is what he deserves. Jesus said we put Him before our kids and other relatives.
If you are not a strong person–don’t be a Christian. His yoke may be light–but sometimes the commandments aren’t easy. Especially as a mom–we always want to put our kids first–but no can do-Jesus died for us–He is my father. “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me”-Matthew 10:37
Many homosexuals didn’t have great dads–but they can turn in their earthly dad for a GREAT heavenly father!
This is for the homosexuals!! There is HOPE!
http://www.exodusglobalalliance.org/index.php
colt1860
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:24pmBS. What happened to absence, decency, modesty, chastity, marriage, family, pureness, clean heart, godliness, and respect?
I’m a guy, and I was born with the desire to have sex with every beautiful women I see. But guess what? I’ve decided to stay abstinent, respect women, pursuit one wife, get married, and then have kids and a family of my own. Homosexuals are no one special. Homosexuality is unnatural, and a perversion. I count it in the same boat with fornication, whor3dom, adultery, incest, bestiality, and lewdness.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:40pmdumb redneck religous zealot, hes no better than his islamist counterpart.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:59pmCompassion… requires No Thinking nor Analysis!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:31pmDon’t mean to burst your bubbles, but, Wow, that’s quite a racist, bias, bigoted, asinine, ignorant statement there. The pastor did nothing wrong here.
Report Post »MittensKittens
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:26pmWell let’s look at it this way, 30 years ago when it was not socially acceptable, we could have our kids play in the front yards without fear of abduction, there was less teen pregnancy, less violent crime, less divorce…should I keep going?
Report Post »grudgywoof
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:39pmI hear absolutly nothing incorrect in what the pastor said…..In fact I say AMEN!!!!!
Report Post »TEA!!!!
mils
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:40pmit is because of pastors, congregations like this, that we no longer go to a christian church. we’re not gay, don’t know anyone that is gay…it is the general attitude that is so hard to deal with.
Report Post »so what happens when this pastor has a beloved grandson with a “limp wrist”?… what will his heart do then…
and you cannot show me what is written in a book to prove the book is true.
However, that being said..God is great.
sizzlinsexybeckster
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:43pm@mils – another reason why I don’t go to church. It is flooded with moronic pastors like this. Not teaching about love but preaching about hate.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:13pmThey took a “SNIPPET” out of a 55 minute sermon? How convenient ..
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:26am200 years ago it was socially acceptable for humans to own other humans in the United States.
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:25pmLife, Liberty, and the pursuit of your Happiness.
All men.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 3:24pmHitting your kids, always good religious advice. I always liked it when my Dad beat me. Such great memories.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 4:28pmI never liked a… “whipping”… but I never repeated the offense!
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 5:53pmThere is discipline, which I agree with, then there is abuse. Punching is abuse, I do remember getting knocked across the room, although not much after. So, I don’t see that as a subject to joke about.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:37pmWe are talking two different things here Darmok. Don’t mix a slap on the wrist or a pop on the bottom with a beating. If your dad did beat you out of anger, that is abuse and not condone by anyone. However, a smack on the bottom to straighten up and fly right, never hurt anyone. This go stand in the corner for time out is why we see OWS today. No memorable punishment.
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Posted on May 2, 2012 at 6:52pmCOFemale
Report Post »Understand what you are saying, and I agree with it. What I take offense to is what the Preacher said, “Punch you kid”. I don’t condone the gay lifestyle, but I also don’t believe he should even joke about punching a kid because he is showing gay tendencies. I am far from liberal, but I do have a family member who is gay. He is a really great young man, and very smart and successful. His father was extremely abusive to him and it really messed him up in his teen years. My wife and I let him live with us and are still very close with him. He even disagrees with the “Militant” GLAD crowd and doesn’t support them. But to get back to the original topic of this story, I just think it’s wrong to even joke about “Punching” a child, no matter what the reason. From my own experience and what I have seen in others.