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Glenn Beck Joins ‘Real News From The Blaze’ to Discuss the Politicizing of the Pulpit

The Congressional Black Caucus, Attorney General Eric Holder, the ACLU, and officials from the IRS spoke with hundreds of Pastors in the African-American community at a summit Wednesday on how to participate in the 2012 election. Prior to the event, the groups said they would not discuss specific support of any one candidate, which would conflict with the churches’ non-profit status, but would brief the community on energizing congregants to vote, protecting a church’s tax exempt status, and taking on “draconian” laws like Voter ID. Considering the mix of political players from the CBC and ACLU with traditionally non-partisan institutions like the Attorney General’s office, IRS and the church, some worried that the discussion could lead to the politicization of the pulpit as a means to reach out to the Democratic base.

Among African-Americans, 83 to 90 percent have supported the Democratic presidential candidate in elections between 1980 and 2004 , and 95 percent supported Barack Obama in 2008. Seventy-eight percent of Jewish voters supported the president in 2008, and like African-Americans, some eyebrows have been raised following alleged attempts by high-level Jewish Democrats to reach out to the practicing base from within the temple. DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz caused recent controversy when she was scheduled to speak at a Miami temple without an opposing view or any sort of counterpoint. Following vocal protest from several members of the congregation, the event was canceled.

While those supporting the president from his campaign team, cabinet, and the DNC seem shameless in attempting to rally his election day troops by coming in through the chapel back door, should religious communities be totally muted out of the political process? Are religious leaders really absent from partisan politics on both sides?

The “Real News” panel was joined by Glenn Beck Wednesday to discuss whether a discretion between political and religious actors even exists, and if so, what are the implications of Wednesday’s event for conservatives and liberals.

 

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  • mama mama mad at obama
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:17am

    Evangelical pew-sitters are uninformed and uninvolved politically. It’s okay for the black churches, where everyone apparently is a “reverend.” But just try to get an evangelical pastor to take a stand. Abortion is abhorrent to God. So is homosexual marriage. Where do the candidates stand on these issues? If biblical principals inform a person’s voting habits, the choice should be clear. Where do the candidates stand on values such as hard work, personal responsibility, integrity, property rights, etc. We have lost a generation of children to the “everyone gets a trophy” world view, and these Christian young people voted for BO because he seemed to represent “hope.” Wake up, churches.

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    • hehasrisen1
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:41am

      Jesus is the only Hope for this world, so that being said, why are people so worried about the person in the White House. Whoever is in the White House, will not change who Jesus is! Choose this day who you will serve. God Holds the hearts of all men in His Hand and he can turn them anyway he chooses, man may purpose many things in his heart, but it is the LORD’S Counsel that will stand! People praise Him with their mouth but their hearts are far from Him. I know where my help comes from and it is not from any President!

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:43pm

      Amen HEHASRISEN1!

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    • georgette
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:43pm

      If you take the King’s shilling…you are the King’s man…the govt in the long run, seems to have gotten quite a deal for X cents on the dollar …..through tax exempt policy…. 501C3′s, etc……so….unless you want to pay taxes, they can, if they want to, call the shots….of course, they also get to call the shots if you pay taxes …..imagine that.

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    • closetotheedge
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:57am

      A pastor is obligated to preach the truth and to stand again’st all the evil in this world by educating their people on what God and Jesus told us to do.And with Oba hiring 6,000 + to the IRS should shake everyone as to his hidden agenda to prosecute any who would speak out again‘st gov’ sponsired abortion at any time. Less than a week after being sworn in,he signed the FOCA,Freedom of Choice Act that allows the murder of babies at anytime,anywhere,in any way for any reason for it’s their right to choose.If the baby is aborted and is alive, the doctor either cuts the spinal cord or stabs the child in the heart to complete the murder of the most innocent among us. I’ve shown what happens when parchal birth is done,Where they turn the baby around and pull the baby out till the base of the head is almost out,they jam a tool into the base of the skull and with a hose suck out the brain. Barbaric? Social paths.How long before God seeks justice for all the babies who were murdered? And now,sex selections!!! The vote in the House should have been accross the board again’st this wanton genicide of our heritage. The horror…….

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  • Zombee
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:23am

    Just when you think you’ve seen it all… Obama’s dictatorship style DOJ drops a new level of shock on us all. It appears as though the IRS gestapo and DOJ instructed black churches how to skirt the law on campaigning as a non-profit entity. Surely the act of the training in and of itself is illegal, no? The DOJ has become the Department of Injustice under the Obama Regime. Who in Congress has the backbone to initiate impeachment hearings against Eric Holder?

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:19am

    Churches? How are these churches? They preach support for a party of infanticide and acceptance of deviant lifestyles. Church of Beelzebub.

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  • keenwhiz
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:42am

    S.E your emotional IQ is showing to call anyone let alone your boss “the old dude” is so RUDE and really low class. Most folks would rather listen to Glenn than you especially because you are so young!

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    • mdeputy7
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:51am

      I completely disagree with your statement, and I think that it is stupid to post it. I think she was just having fun. Besides….it is always uncomfortable to work with your boss right there watching…no matter who you are.

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  • Qoheleth
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:42am

    As a member of the clergy, I’ve opposed this sort of thing for as long as I can remember, regardless of which part of the spectrum it comes from. I have no qualms about a candidate telling us that he/she is informed by their faith. That’s perfectly proper. I have no tolerance for preachers vacating their pulpits to allow a candidate to “preach” a campaign speech. I don’t have a problem with a preacher making a reasoned, biblically backed-up argument on an issue. I do have a problem with a “preacher” baptizing political talking points with proof-texts. There‘s a difference in both where you begin and where you’re trying to go.

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  • The Third Archon
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:58am

    Yes, because conservatives don’t start faith-based initiatives, don’t preach messages with implicit (or explicit) political messages, and CERTAINLY don’t invite speakers who reflect their (when talking about religion, more often than not conservative) worldviews.

    I’m sorry, but what part of explaining to institutions how they can conform to the tax laws which currently apply to them (if and only if they desire to retain the PRIVILEGE of paying no taxes on the money they collect from their parishioners) is sinister exactly?

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  • Chuck Stein
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:36am

    A couple of weeks ago, Glenn made a “Lion King” analogy. Obama/Soros, etc. were likened to “Scar.” Glenn was too modest to point out that he, too, has a representative character in “Lion King” — “Rafiki” awakens the good and true king to who he is and his responsibilities to restore what has been lost due to treachery, lies and murder. Glenn must certainly know that he is “Rafiki”

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  • g.prunty
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:33am

    So you can’t have church and state but you can have…State and church?

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  • In That Day
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:10am

    …So, shall we listen to…

    1) The Self-Dealing BUY-MY-BOOK politician (saying he’s good, but OTHERS are NOT ANGELS!)
    ….or shall we listen to…
    2) The Self-Dealing BUY-MY-BOOK televangelist (saying he’s good, but OTHERS are NOT ANGELS!)
    …or shall we listen to…
    3) The Self-Dealing BUY-MY-BOOK entertainer (saying he’s good, but OTHERS are NOT ANGELS!)

    Each archetype enjoys broadcasting to a closed-in, penned-in, captive, obsequies, easily-sheared kind of low mentality sheeple that will always believe their leader who says he’s good, but OTHERS are NOT ANGELS!

    #1 says it’s #2′s and #3′s problem. #2 says it’s #1′s and #3′s. #3 says it’s #1′s and #2′s.

    The American Mind was really a #4 type. It learned from Madison ALLL LEADERS ARE NOT ANGELS.

    Therefore, pay attention to what goes on behind the curtain, which is usually Neuro-Linguistic Programming: a) stage hypnotism, b) showmanship, c) misdirection and d) suggestion.

    Derren Brown on Youtube shows how easily politicians, ministers and entertainers can con people.

    Usually the crowd loves the conman politician, the conman minister and the conman entertainer.

    Usually the crowd hates the #4 archetype, who wants to explain to the sheep how the first three archetypes usually cannot help themselves but con the sheeple and eat their brains.

    The #4 archetype tries to prevent mental rape, but the crowd wants to crucify him for making them wake up and think and see.

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:35am

      I would expand the words of Madison to “there ARE no angels.” Every human being, by their very existence and what it means to BE a human being that exists, exercises power and has it exercised upon them–how they choose to USE this capacity is an ongoing and active process that lasts the entirety of their life. No one is inherently “good” or “evil,” rather people make choices that are good or evil, and some people through this practice, develop a method of exercise that tends towards choices we would describe as being either more or less good or evil. But the noblest human, who is considered so noble because they exercise their power in a generally noble way, is never guaranteed by their previous acts of nobility to remain so, and can just as easily choose to exercise that power in a depraved way if their method of exercise fails them, while the most depraved human can just as easily exercise their power to noble attainments, were their method of exercising power to change. The exercise of power is the making of a human life, and the judgment of that exercise is moral judgment–no humans are predestined to BE either good or evil, but rather the actions they exercise are so defined by schemes of knowledge, regimes of truth, which define what gets counted as “good” or “evil.“ There is no ”good“ and no ”evil“ as a fundamental ”fact” of existence–rather we CREATE good and evil in our exercise of power, but we DO create it, and it is very real.

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    • In That Day
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:14am

      Amen! GREAT comments!

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:25pm

      Wow ARCHON you are all over the place. Well you said a mouthful, most of which I disagree (shocker):)

      We are born in sin just as sure as sparks fly upward. We are ALL sinners and there is good and evil. First you said people are not inherently good or evil–then you said we “create” good and evil (same thing). Well I can assure you we are very evil from birth. We are selfish and want to satisfy our fleshly lusts. Have you ever had to teach a toddler to be selfish? “Mine, mine”. No if they want a toy another kid is playin with they’ll grab it right out of their hand (and hit them with it if they feel like it).
      Trusting God for His goodness is the only way we can overcome the selfish desires we inherently have which are things like: fornication, idolatry, nor adultery, being effeminate, homosexuality, stealing, being covetous, being a drunkards, revilers,and swindling.

      But if we trust in Him–He gives us His power of the Holy spirit:
      “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.” (Galatians 5:22)

      Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Psalm 51:5

      Jus another opinion heard from…

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  • mharry860
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:29am

    What the heck is Glenn doing in New York? I enjoyed Dana, the hot chick yesterday and Eric today, but I pay the big bucks to watch Glenn. Oh wait, it’s a $100 a year, never mind. Actually, can Dana just replace Glenn?

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  • rickc34
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:19am

    When clinton was running for his second term he was sending spies into the churchs and. When Gore ran against Bush . Democrates bunch of hypocrites.

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  • HI_Don
    Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:11am

    Let’s be clear, The Government has NO business telling the Church (any church) what they can and can not say including politcally. What is a violation of Church and State, is that Holder and the IRS didn’t bring their party and their “advice” to all the churches, but picked which one(s) they would. They should be sued and kicked out of service/ loose their jobs. Especially when you dig and find out did the churches ask for this “training” or did the government offer to give it? And if it was “asked for”, did the government have the obligation to say “everyone or no-one”. Right now if every single church in the U.S. asked for the same “training” to be done by the same level of seniority officials, I believe they are obligated to do it, and get it all done before the votes are cast.
    I also think it takes a huge idiot to stand in front of an assembly of religous leaders and claim the most important right is the right to vote. Not the freedom of relegion, no the right to vote. Because as soon as they have 51% of the vote, they will cancel that freedom of relegion now wont they.

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:10am

      I agree that they should stay out of the churches. However, Epic Holdup and Sweet Old Barack read the laws the way they want and not how they are written. The AGs job is not to campaign on the taxpayers dime or to tell pastors how to politicalize their sermons.
      Don’t forget this is the same bunch that refuses to answer questions about Fast and Furious, refuses to enforce immigrarion laws, is against voter ID and makes impossible demands on conservative (TEA party) organizations when they apply for tax exempt status.
      When it becomes apparent to them that they are going to lose the election look for some really illegal manuvering. Remember that Sweet Old Baracks opponents, in the past, have met with some type of problem that causes them to drop out and leave him unopposed.

      OMG 2012

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  • Winedude
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:55pm

    Personally I don’t care what they say from the pulpit…any religion. I don’t think there is ANY good reason that religious organizations get tax-exempt status. You think the Catholic Church is non-profit? As Col. Potter might have said, “Horse hockey!” They need to make money to pay off the parishioners that got molested by their nasty-azz priests. It’s all a giant scam and the American people are the suckers…

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    • rickc34
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:15am

      They drank to much wine those. Priest. Let’s call for a hugh tax on all acholic beverages? That would fix them huh wine dude

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    • RLTW
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:09am

      I’m glad you 2 are here to encapsulate thousands of years of religion into moronic BS. Hey try encapsulating the history of Marxism for us.

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  • nothinghere
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:54pm

    i think o’bama,holder,naacp,congressional black caucus,and the aclu,are using the christian blacks of american to perpetrate ongoing voter fraud.
    their using the black christians for their race,in hopes to kill off any chance of voter id laws to be passed.
    i would like to ask the black christian pastors one question.
    blacks vote 80%-95% democrat,so why don’t these democrat elites want any voter id laws, this leaves millions of more whites than blacks with-out voter id,do you think this makes any sense,if it don‘t smell right maybe it isn’t,and their putting you and your church in the middle why?
    i did’nt want to go here but i feel i have to,using common sense you have to think these elite democratics are figuring there is a better chance of the black,and white democrats are more likely to commit voter fraud.
    this also hurts blacks with the illegal aliens,there are lots of voting districts with many illegals with no voter id’s,so it’s more likely these votes could cost blacks their due local representation.
    but as long as the democrat elites can count on the the backing of blacks the same agenda continues.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:12am

      I do not believe in Democrate Christians they are a myth.

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    • hehasrisen1
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:52pm

      Actually it’s been proven that the “blacks” as you so eloquently put it or the “illegal aliens” (hmmm! are they from outer space?) anyway voter fraud does not have to involve the voters, just leave it up to the candidates and their cronies, remember Bush and the 2004 election. Now use common sense Bush was handed the election, but all of a sudden the democrats are using fraudulent practices to win, what a crock! Bush and his cronies were the masters. Bush knew he has won before the votes were counted!

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  • zoro51
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:53pm

    preach the gospel PERIOD… NO politics EVER

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  • sybilll
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:09pm

    Loved this roundtable, and every day brings yet another jaw-dropping deed performed by the Obama administration. But Glenn, you boast of the bevy of lawyers you have in your network, so PLEASE ask one to devote some pro bono time to the SWATting of Conservative bloggers. Please.

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  • DesertRose1960
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:52pm

    African Americans are 12.9% of the U.S. population. So, if 90% of them voted for the President, that would mean about 11% of the U.S. population voted for President Obama. Jews are something like 1-3% of the population. If 80% of them voted for Obama that’s a whole whopping 2% of the population. Wow! That’s so many people!

    May I remind you, Glenn, that just a couple of years ago on your Fox show, you were urging preachers to make political speeches from their pulpits. Once again, you only want something to happen when it benefits your side.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:51pm

    Ceasar Constantine… fought to be Emperor of Rome… leaving York, England with his Christian, Bishop, Secretary… he gathered Christians into Legions… and defeated the Legions that Rome threw at him.

    The Black Robe Regiment of Clergy… supported the American Revolution… and many fought as Soldiers.

    Christians… believe that Government should not force a Religion upon a person… but they also will fight to preserve their beliefs!

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  • Netizen Kane
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:17pm

    This is controlling the Black Pulpit: If you tow the Obama line, you’re fine. But given the ground-swell by Black Church leaders against Obama’s Homosexual Agenda, this is clearly a kick-off for intimidation and threats against good Christian pastors: Comply or ELSE…..

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  • ComingUnglued
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:09pm

    I don’t understand how black people can be democrats. If they read their history, they will find that the Ku Klux Klan is an off shoot of the democratic party. They will never truly be free under the democrats. Look at Detroit, Chicago, Newark all run by Democrats. Where have you gotten after all these years in office by that party. Nowhere. Enslaved, waiting for a handout every month.

    Read The History of America in Black and White. Your views may change, you may be empowered. Read it if you dare

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:54pm

      Because after a Democratic president signed the Civil Rights Act into law, the GOP decided to welcome the racist southerners that left the Democrates, Nixon’s Southern Strategy. Really, you guys need to learn your history.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:33am

      @Joshua7: Yeah… encinom/monicne needs refinement. Ze is really shallow.

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    • hehasrisen1
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:12pm

      The lesser evil I guess.

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  • soybomb315
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:09pm

    I cant listen to SE cuz of those cromed-out glasses she wears

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:35am

      You’re easily distracted. They’re pretty damn cool, aren’t they?

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  • MKDAWUSS
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:04pm

    But let the Catholic Church attempt to stand by its beliefs…

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  • MONICNE
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:03pm

    OMG!

    Saw S.E. Cupp on C-SPAN this morning – they will Not be allowed to edit it!

    LOL!

    Sincerely,
    POW – MIA
    NEVER Forget,
    Yo

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  • PETTYDRAMA
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 8:50pm

    Another pointless story only generated to stir up racial tensions among Beck’s disciples of hate and bigotry. They already have a bible in one hand and a gun on the other. All they need is a little motivation and encouragement to start a race war. And brother Beck is more than happy to provide the fodder for them. Its a good thing Beck is slowly but surely becoming old and irrelevant. And a lot of people are starting to wake up from the smell of his snake oil.

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    • OhSnappage
      Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:50pm

      Ooooh that wascally Beck and his wabbits….. was that it?
      You can’t stand Beck, can’t stand his message, and find his viewers and crew to be hate mongering and illogical. Yet… you’re here… created an account…. just name calling. Nuh-uh not buying it.

      Is being a drone a work at home career or do you do it at an office? How about disputing Beck’s claims with ration and concise thoughts? Provide evidence to explain the facts being stated and presented here. Can’t do it? Got the brain of a Sharpton? Did Louie Louie Farakhan tell you the true gospel is a spaceship? Yeah, the facts are all lies when you love the kool-aid.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:34am

      Go pack some fudge, kill some babies, hug some whales, poop on a cop car, liter a street, disrespect your parents and their basement, listen to and promote a foreign agenda to use against your own country, teach the youth some filth and disrespect, then look in the mirror if you can and let us all know what you see Pettydrama. Then you can judge and compare Glen Beck to what you see and measure that with your phoney rhetoric. Apparently Glen Beck is neither old nor outdated. Glen has helped wake up this nation to abuse by foreigners and wasters and those who for some reason want to destroy a perfectly good nation to accomodate the different tribes and malcontent fringe groups so they can create a loser nation that they have, for some reason, chosen to model after across the pond.

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    • hehasrisen1
      Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:40pm

      Amen! PETTYDRAMA

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  • mr.goodvibe
    Posted on May 30, 2012 at 8:46pm

    The same administration that tries to infringe on their religious freedom wants them to rally around them to keep them in power for more of the same, they must think stockholm syndrome has them in its death grip.

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