Glenn Interviews Dad of TX Girl Who Refused to Recite Mexican Pledge in Class
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The Blaze’s exclusive story on the McAllen, TX high school that assigned students the task of memorizing and reciting the Mexican national anthem and pledge of allegiance grabbed headlines across the blogosphere on Monday. It naturally grabbed the attention of many parents. On Monday morning, then, Glenn interviewed the father behind the story, William Brinsdon. William’s daughter, Brenda, is the 15-year-old girl who refused to participate in the assignment and recorded it.
(Related: Watch the original video)
“So you’re in a Spanish class and you have to sing the National Anthem of Mexico,” Glenn began, explaining the controversy’s nuances. “You have a problem with that. All right. Then you’re asked to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. You have a problem with that. Well, yeah. I’m not pledging my allegiance to Mexico. But you‘re told not to worry about it because the words don’t ‑‑ they’re just words. They don’t mean anything. Well, then so now I‘m insulting Mexicans and Mexico because now I’m just devaluing the words of their pledge? Something’s not right, and it’s happening down in Texas. A girl came home, told her father about it in Spanish class. She didn’t do it. Dad’s on the phone with us now.”
William described how he was surprised when Brenda told him about the assignment, how he contacted several school officials and never got any promised calls back, and even revealed another disturbing case of some shocking claims.
“The indoctrination of this stuff is going on all the time down here,” he said. “And also last year she was told in her Spanish class that this land was stolen from Mexico, yada, yada, was told to be quiet through the class.”
That time, the Brinsdons didn’t stand up. This time they did.
“I’ll tell you I think that you are just one of very, very many that are going to start standing up and just not ‑‑ and just not sitting down anymore,” Glenn told the father. “But you’re going to feel awfully alone there for a while because I know. I hear it from people all the time: ‘Hey, thank goodness for ‑‑ thank goodness for you saying something,’ [And I ask], ‘Are you going to say something?’ [They respond] ‘No, I ‑‑ no, I got a big bank job. I can’t say anything. No, I can’t.’ Oh, okay, all right.”
According to William, the practice has since stopped. But in our original interview with Brenda, she said that while her class was no longer memorizing the pledge and anthem, students in other sections were.
You can watch the entire interview below:
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Comments (265)
Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:11pmI grew up about 40 miles from the Canadian border. My high school French teacher was French-Canadian.Naturally, we learned a lot about Quebec as well as about France, and a lot about the differences between Quebecois French and French French. No one complained.
But of course, that was a long time ago, when learning a language was just learning a language, not making a political statement, and when people did not go into a mouth-foaming frenzy at the mere suggestion that other cultures threatened ours, rather than enriching it.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:15pmSo, in other words, you’re a pro-Canada Marxist who hates America and works subversively to Destroy our country?
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:21pmKidding…
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:24pmIn other words, I learned French through a French-Canadian “lens,” and am not at all surprised or offended to see Spanish taught through a Mexican one.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:30pmSorry, “kidding” came through too late. Excusez-moi. . . .
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:31pm@Lloyd Drako Are you serious?? “..and when people did not go into a mouth-foaming frenzy at the mere suggestion that other cultures threatened ours, rather than enriching it.” Do you even understand what you have just implied?? Did China, France, Germany, Spain, Japan, India, Russia..etc become what they are, with unique architecture, food, traditions, art, everything that makes a culture a culture by trying to appease every other whiny culture out there?? And do you really suppose that the USA has become better with a lost identity and becoming a mesh of everything else?? That is called a country without sovereignty and an identity….that’s not the USA I grew up in….
robert
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:37pmLloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:11pm
“I grew up about 40 miles from the Canadian border. My high school French teacher was French-Canadian.Naturally, we learned a lot about Quebec as well as about France, and a lot about the differences between Quebecois French and French French. No one complained.”
Were Canadians pouring into the country, Lloyed, with slogans like “This is our country. Go back to Europe?”
Or, “If anybody is ilegal, it is you?”
How about a “Reconquista” plan by many powerful Canadian groups to
take over a large part of the US that is owned and inhabited by American citizens?
And, also, Lloyd, did Canadians here illegally hoist their flags up in various areas, designating their desire for Mexican takeover?
Too, did mobs of Canadians run through American streets with the Canadian flag held high overhead as if they just conquered this country and were set to dictate the terms of our surrender?
Or did any Canadians say this? “We are practicing La Reconquista in California.” — Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General?”
“We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos…non-Latinos aren’t watching, they aren’t raising questions”–Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount”
“They‘re afraid we’re going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They’re right. We will take them over. . We are here to stay.” — Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council
Report Post »4XGrace
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:38pmThere shouldn’t be a political indoctrination against your country while learning a foreign language of a neighboring country. Your French teacher was good that way. But if that teacher started going on about the French lands in North America stolen by England and complained bitterly about the denigration and disintegration of French culture by the influence of the English language would that have sat well with you? Would you have joined the FLQ? Je n’aime pas les Pequists. ;-)
Language and culture often divide neighbors (Bosnia and Herzegovina, Rwanda and many other ethnic cleansings come to mind). So why should a foreign language teacher be fomenting that kind of culture? Learning a foreign language should be about the language and culture and not about indoctrination of one point of view. If it’s not fair and balanced, it does not belong in the classroom. If the teacher doesn’t add to your understanding, appreciation and respect of the culture then that teacher should be dismissed – but I guess since too many teachers belong to too many very powerful and influential unions that would never happen.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:46pmWell, Lloyd, given our current border situation and La Raza, I think this isn’t even comparable to your experience. Unless you are blind to it, ignorant to it, or just otherwise do not care.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:56pmRobert: the answer to all your questions is, of course, no,no, no, no and no. But I still see no reason why students in a Spanish class barely 5 miles from a Spanish-speaking country should not learn some of the patriotic songs and pledges of that country. BTW, I am in favor of as much border security as is needed to keep illegal immigrants out, accompanied by a crackdown on employers who hire them and churches and other groups that shelter them. I also think it’s incontestable that the US conquered half of pre-1846 Mexico in a particularly shameful and dishonorable fashion, and that the results of that conquest will probably be reversed sooner or later by sheer force of demography, with or without violence.
Report Post »50BMG
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:03pmDon’t expect a response from Lloyd Drako. His comparison between learning French close the Canadian border and learning Spanish by pledging allegiance to Mexico is indefensible, and he knows it.
I too studied French for several years. In addition to the language, I learned a fair amount about the culture of France. But the learning never included singing the French national anthem or pledging allegiance to France.
If someone wants to pledge allegiance to Mexico, fine. Immigrate to Mexico. Become a citizen. Say the pledge every day. Funny, but that’s exactly what should be required of anyone to move to this country.
And before someone throws out the “stolen from Mexico” feces, remember that Mexico was stolen from the Aztecs. If (when?) Arizona and Texas and New Mexico and southern California revert to Mexico, I hope that the remaining Europeans living in those areas start an insurrection, and chant about how their land was stolen by the Mexicans. Payback is hell.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:14pmWhen even our true history isn’t taught.. they teach this in a American school.. I don’t care if it is a Spanish teacher.. my sister took 3 years of spanish and never ever was forced to do something like this.. Soooooooooo CA and parts of TX have been reclaimed by Mexico.. God help us!
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:19pm50BMG:
Yes, of course a direct comparison is ludicrous. But I do recall learning learning and singing the Marseillaise, in French, in my high-school French class, without feeling my American loyalties in any way subverted. I’m not sure if France has any equivalent of our Pledge of Allegiance. Probably not.
No, there was no French-Canadian equivalent of a “reconquista” movement (except, of course, against the English parts of Canada), but there was quite a bit of local prejudice against French-Canadians, which I’m sure my teacher was doing his best to counter.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:22pmI studied spanish for four years decades ago. Never once was there found a point or purpose or wisdom in actually studying the mexican pledge in order to better understand spanish. Drako, you point is just dumb.
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:32pmI too took a foreign language- German – because that’s where my ancestors came from.
But I didn’t have to swear an oath to the West German republic. Neither was I taught that the USA stole land from Germany. My class was focused on the *language* not political BS or false history lessons.
Report Post »kayc
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:32pmNothing wrong with learning another language. Plenty of wrong pledging allegiance to another country, especially when many of our own schools dont say the pledge to our own country. Pure indoctrination,.stand up Americans,,do not let them indoctrinate your child,,I have seen so much lately of our kids being given a failing grade for not going along with a schools “opinion’ on civil rights, race, abortion, gays. Start speaking out or the few will always dictate to the many.
BO_Bill
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:33pmPersonally, I think the idea of transforming America into a narco-state complete with tortured corpses hanging from bridges sounds very culturally enriching. We definitely need more Mexican immigrants because America, and the people who Founded it are, like, so boring.
And who doesn’t like tacos?
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:36pm@LLOYD
Learning ABOUT a culture is an entirely different animal than pledging your alliegance TO another country. You can downplay it all you like and pretend that it holds no significance, but if that were true then there‘s no reason that at the first sign of resistance they couldn’t have chosen some other random mexican “culture” to learn. But that didn’t happen…I wonder why.
Report Post »Justathinkin
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:38pm@Llyod Drako
If this were just a case of the kids learning the anthem and the pledge and not being told to recite it, I might agree with you. Especially if this was a course on Mexican language. But the course is on Spanish language. If the teacher were actually doing their job, the kids would be practicing Spanish and learning about the culture of Spain. When I took French in high school, we heard the the French national anthem and pledge and we discussed the sentence, rhyme and grammar structure of both, but we were never encouraged to recite them. We also learned about actual French culture(not the cartoonesque silliness we have seen so often), we touched on the fact that there were several dialects used in different countries and such. But we learned the language and little more because we took a language course, not a culture class.
As for you statements about Americans being threatened by other cultures, I think you have that backwards. If I move to France, I have to speak, read and write French in order to succeed, yes? I have to learn their laws and regulations, yes? I have to learn their customs and ways of interaction, yes? Are they afraid of my culture because I have to learn how their’s works? No! They are maintaining their way of life, which they have a right to. Just like Americans in America.
Report Post »ptiaz
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:39pmWow, are we blowing things out of proportion or what? We obviously dont know the entire story but COME ON!!!! do you think the teacher is doing this to make a political statement or just to teach the culture as part of the class? we need to really look into things and their intent before over reacting. Plenty of French Canadians are now americans or work here as well and I dont see anyone complaining about that. you want the mexican population gone, then how about all the amercians (of which I am one) stop taking handouts and take those jobs that the mexicans are willing to do. After losing my job I was at the unemployment office for the first time in my life and I met americans (not one hispanic, and im in az) in line that have been in the system, receiving food stamps, medical care and cash assistance for YEARS, they were just there to renew what is owed to them as americans. I felt sick to my stomach. Why dont we take care of fixing our system first, if we americans take the jobs available, their wouldnt be any jobs for any illegal immigrants.
Report Post »robert
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:40pmLloyd Drako:
“I also think it’s incontestable that the US conquered half of pre-1846 Mexico in a particularly shameful and dishonorable fashion, and that the results of that conquest will probably be reversed sooner or later by sheer force of demography, with or without violence.”
“Particularly shameful and dishonorable?”
The Southwest was won from Mexico in a legitimate war. The citizens in Texas…and the entire Southwest…. at the time were mostly Gringos who defeated the forces of the megalomaniac General Santa Ana in legitimate battle, led by Sam Houston, which was after Santa Ana murdered all the courageous survivors of the Alamo.
If there was anything shameful going on it was Mexico’s murderous actions, mostly by Santa Ana, and his conduct after he was in full retreat by Sam Houston. He dressed as a peasant woman and hid among the soldiers and peons in his forces and was shamefully exposed as a coward.
The Treaty of Hidalgo, 1848, was signed by Mexico as a consequence of their battlefield losses, afterwhich they were paid several million dollars for the land.
Seditious Mexicans in this country will take over only if we allow it. Militarily they couldn’t do squat. Our militias alone right now could drive the entire population back across the border, if the US govt. ever sets them loose or during our next civil war.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:41pmI notice you specifically avoided mentioning whether or not you were required to recite the Canadian anthem or Canadian pledge of allegiance. How about the French national anthem or the French pledge of allegiance? Were you required to recite any of those?
Maybe back then learning a foriegn language wasn’t a political statement, but apparently, today it is. Thanks for attempting to twist this out of context.
Please douche in private from now on. Thanks.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:46pmWere you told to memorize the French/Canadian pledge of allegiance and national song and then recite it to the class? I took Spanish in high school (in Missouri) and the most we did was sing Christmas songs in Spanish at Christmas time….we carolled each class during the hour we had our class. My son, now that we’re in Garland, TX (near Dallas) was also taught that the Americans stole the land from the Mexicans….Columbus killed all the Aztecs (or whatever tribe was there when he got here), etc. Luckily, we are teaching him differently.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:48pmDrako, don’t you know how weak-minded teenagers from Texas are. They are so easily indoctrinated they need protection!
Report Post »robert
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:52pmDrako:
“……. that the results of that conquest will probably be reversed sooner or later by sheer force of demography, with or without violence.” (Referring to a Mex takeover of this country)
If that is true, Lloyd, isn’t it a bad idea to have American children reciting the pledge of allegiance to a foreign power…and singing its national anthem….. that seeks to defeat and dominate this country, because having them do just that might just be a tactic to prepare then for takeover and will only accelerate our destruction?
At least, I‘m pretty sure you’re not wanting this to happen, especially since so many have declared their desire to “kill the Gringo.”
Or is all the rhetoric just harmless drivel we should simply ignore?
Report Post »Faith1029
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:59pm“and when people did not go into a mouth-foaming frenzy at the mere suggestion that other cultures threatened ours, rather than enriching it.”
Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a non issue!! It’s just one more way of taking our country away from us. Our food products are now also written in Spanish, clothing labels etc. are also written in Spanish. Grocery stores have pictures of food instead of words for the people who don’t speak English. You have to be bilingual to get some jobs now. Texas community college has the Mexican Flag on their brochure, higher than the American Flag. You call a business and the voice mail that comes up is, press 1 for English. Now they want our kids to sing the Mexican national anthem and say their pledge of allegiance. Excuse me! Come on! This teacher needs to go back to the country she loves and this school should be boycotted. Take a stand people!!!!!!
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:10pmOnly problem is the Spanish murdered and the stole the Aztecs land. Any Hispanic should leave the Aztecs stolen land and go back to where their ancestors came from. Why select one group of usurpers over another. ? Just another Blame America Dolt
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:11pm@LLOYD DRAKO
Report Post »“But I still see no reason why students in a Spanish class barely 5 miles from a Spanish-speaking country should not learn some of the patriotic songs and pledges of that country.”
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That’s because past a certain age it is difficult to improve your reasoning skills. Tell you what. Take a break from work, go teach English in Mexico, and give your students the same assignment. You will get valuable first-hand experience as to why students in a Spanish-speaking country, ESPECIALLY one that’s next door, should not, not, not learn to sing The Star-Spangled Banner, and recite our Pledge of Allegiance with their right hands over their hearts. Post Scriptum: You need to learn the meaning of “subversive activities” in context, so don’t expect us to be rooting for your release from a Mexican prison.
Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:17pmRobert:
Santa Ana was a particularly shameful and dishonorable individual–today, even most Mexicans wouldn’t dispute that. But that’s neither here nor there with regard to the Mexican War.
As I’m sure you realize, the US annexation of the virtually bankrupt Republic of Texas was contested by Mexico, but the real sticking point over Texas was its southern border: the Nueces, or the Rio Grande? When Polk sent troops across the Nueces–into the very area where McAllen is located!–he was deliberately provoking a war whose real aim was not to defend Texan claims, but, as in fact happened, to conquer the entire Southwest. There were a few thousand gringos in California at that time (pre-Gold Rush), and only a handful in Arizona or New Mexico. His real aim seems to have been to preempt British, French, Russian or other foreign takeover of the Pacific Coast, though in the event he also secured lots of “Lebansraum” for Anglo-American settlers too.
How is that a “legitimate war?”
As I’ve said, I think the verdict of 1846-1848 is in the process of being reversed demographically. Militarizing the border and expelling all illegals is a step I’d be reluctant to take, but even if we did, there would still be the Hispanic population legally in the US, growing more rapidly than the “native” population. I’m guessing their reaction would take a political form.
Jaycen:
“Apparently?”
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:27pmLloyd,
I happened to go up to Montreal during the time that the French language wars were underway. I went to pick a friend up from her boarding school for a week’s vacation. When I got to Quebec, I needed gas and they would not sell it to me because I could not ask for it in French. Aside from the fact that the license plates on the car indicated that I was from the U.S., my second language is NOT French, nor is it Spanish. I’d also like to point out that the official language of Canada at that time was English.
When I got to the school and told my friend what happened, it was immediately reported to the staff. Two of staff went with me to get the gas and make sure there were no further problems. Suffice it to say, there weren’t.
So, the French Canadians may have had a little laugh and a little victory on my account, but it did nothing towards making me feel positive or good about the French culture.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:36pmDid anyone notice Ron Paul’s plan to cut 1 trillion from the US Budget today?
Did anyone notice that Ron Paul is the least covered of any Presidential candidate with an unbelievably low 2% coverage??
Me thinkest that Ron Paul doesn‘t support the Military Industrial Complex enough and the Welfare State and he sure as hell isn’t pleasing to IPAC so therefore their Media refuses to give him any attention… None!!!
Blaze??? A trillion dollar budget cut and a budget in general from a Presidential candidate garnering low double digits despite the lack of Media coverage is not news enough for you? Or are you mandated by the Jewish Apartheid not to cover Ron Paul?
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:12pmI think the not very subtle differences are completely lost on you dripface.
Report Post »2smart
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:18pmApparently treaties mean nothing to Drako. When Mexico signed the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hildago they gave up title to any territories. You can go back and apply todays values and intents all you want but that doesn’t make it right. At least the Mexicans of that era were honorable enough to abide by the treaty. In the present day we seem to want to take liberties with interpretation and apply modern values to history and then come up with propaganda that agrees with the agenda. You interpret that Mexico was taken in a particularly shameful and dishonorable fashion. Were you there? No, probably not, but the honorable men that lived at that time applied the values of that time and honored there decision. Here you apply modern values and then interpret the results as if this happened yesterday. Or, don’t put todays values and prejudiced attitudes and apply it to something that happened over 150 yrs ago, it makes you look foolish!
Report Post »ladonnatexas
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:45pmThere are rather large differences between the 2 border countries. Last time I checked, Canadians, French or English, aren’t flooding into this country illegally and overwhelming USA social service programs. My family is a combination of Mexican and Anglo, just to clarify. We live in Texas and some in California. Learning about Mexican culture is one thing, reciting pledge of allegiance and singing their National Anthem is another. Learning the words to these is acceptable, having to recite them is not. For those of us who take the Pledge of Allegiance very seriously and the National Anthem is a very big deal, this is unacceptable. If words don’t mean anything, then why do we have kids in trouble for bullying based on “only words”. Seems like a major contradiction to me. You can’t have it both ways. Either words mean something or they don’t, not just selectively. If the “n” word or other derogatory words mean something to people, then why are National Anthems and Pledges of Allegiance not allowed to mean something worth standing up about? Just wondering.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:47pmThere were men in the 1840s who also considered the Mexican War “shameful and dishonorable.” Abraham Lincoln was one of them.
Report Post »LIBERALSARESLACKERS
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:54pm“:Oh, they’re only words”. Bet your bottom dollar that if someone used “only words” to threaten the school system or a teacher, the “only words” defense wouldn’t keep them out of jail.
Report Post »JackDavid
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 5:00pmLearning a language is fine, but did you pledge your allegiance to Canada?
Report Post »patriot308
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 5:15pmShouldn’t they have been learning the pledge and anthem from Spain???? As in Spain…ish. Then there wouldn’t be a conflict.
Report Post »1000-yd-stare
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 5:27pmYou better learn. If Obama gets his way you,ll be picking vegetables and mowing grass.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 5:46pm… the sound track from WestSide Story is beginning to play, over and over, in my mind. It just won’t stop!
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 6:15pmTHAT wouldn’t be a problem if our Pledge were still being recited every morning in our schools this is not the case anymore! just as madeline murray o’hair and a few other atheists were able to remove prayer from our schools so have a handful of whining America hating AHs managed to remove the Pledge of Allegiance from some of our schools! makes me wonder if some of our shootings like Columbine might not have happened? guess we will never know but I am tired of a few deciding for the many
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 6:47pm@ Loyd, First of all, Maybe down where you are from you people have a hard time getting people to do the work that illegal immigrant will do, but here in Pittsburgh, WE DO IT ! I am so tired of people like you assuming everybody else is like yourself. I will do whatever work it takes to support myself through this life, and have. I have done it for so long, there is hardly a thing that I can’t do as result. While I am now a full time student at the age of 36, I STILL take labor jobs that pay very low wages, but it suits me fine. I can‘t expect to be paid a whole lot for jobs that don’t require a great deal of skill. Amazingly, I have built up a significant amount because of my humble leanings and hard work.So get off your horse and get in the ditch so you know what it‘s all about instead of insinuating you understand something you obviously don’t.
Report Post »Lastly, if your going to start making arguments and objections about subjects as sensitive as the Mexican American War, try finding sources besides Wiki-pedia. It is a little biased if you haven’t noticed…You know, you clearly have chosen not to consider a million other considerations about the times of the 1840′s and the years leading up to them. You don’t know the threats placed upon those on the frontier, the literal American hero’s who braved the dangerous land to explore out West. Meanwhile, the entire world was becoming more inhabited as explorers traveled the seas. Once again, get off your horse and get rea
robor
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:15pmMATAMOROS…got your back my fellow American. Came in here for my usual look around. Saw your comment how you’re just as American as everyone else and believe it. I wish more people would recognize that most Americans of your heritage are PO’d that anyone of any heritage breaks our immigration laws. Everyone please acknowledge those like MATAMOROS and reinforce their confidence in our acceptance of all nationalities who are legal Americans. Many have served and died in our wars over many years of our history. Don’t let this current climate of promoted class warfare spoil our melting pot heritage!
Report Post »wo12b1
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:20pmI studied Spanish in grades 7-9 and have two children that have a mexican mother, so I have no animosity nor racist feelings towards Mexicans. I absolutely love their culture or at least what I have perceived to be their culture. I love Mexican food, Mexican women, and Mexican beaches. What I do not love is this country of OURs being divided from within by multi-culturalism gone awry. The fact that much of this country was from won from (stolen, if you choose) the American Indians and the Mexicans is not really the issue in this day and age…, is it? In learning the history of not only our country, but the world, America is not the first occurence of this, and it definitely hasn’t been the last. The relevant question is…, do we sit-by and watch the country that WE (those of us living) neither won or stole from anybody, be consumed those that sing the rewards of mulit-culturalism with one-face and sing another countries anthem or speak of “reconquista” with the other. Some may even refer to these actions as subversive or anti-American. I lived in Juarez and El Paso, Tx for a few years and saw the beauty and ugliness of multi-culturalism. If we continue to allow our PC ways to dictate our actions/reactions, then you are right, as you stated in one of your later posts, the consumption of America as we know it, will be over. The main difference seems to be that some are fine with that and some are not…, only time will tell.
Report Post »robert
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:42pmLloyd Drako
“Santa Ana was a particularly shameful and dishonorable individual–today, even most Mexicans wouldn’t dispute that. ”
That’s news to me. Along with Cinco de Mayo, he’s erroneously looked on as a hero for the fight against France.
“But that’s neither here nor there with regard to the Mexican War.”
It isn’t? You’re arguing about practices that were commonplace between all nations years ago and assigning it more importance than the actual war crimes that occurred by Mexico against US soldiers and civilians. There’s no comparison.
“As I’m sure you realize, the US annexation of the virtually bankrupt Republic of Texas was contested by Mexico, but the real sticking point over Texas was its southern border: the Nueces, or the Rio Grande?”
Texas won its independence from Mexico in 1836 after trying to impose oppressive laws over Texans who were comprised of a vastly superior number of Gringos. The Mexicans never legitimately owned the territory after that, so anything the US did to prompt the 1846 war was justified in order to protect its ethnic kin.
“As I’ve said, I think the verdict of 1846-1848 is in the process of being reversed demographically. ”
And that is exactly what all the opposition written on this thread is all about, Lloyd, while you are telling us it’s nothing to worry about afterwhich you cite your dissimilar experience with Quebec and your French class as proof.
You just admitted we are justified in
Report Post »surang
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 7:46pmWhen I started to learn English as my second language, my teacher did not teach me to recite British pledge or anthem in the class.
Report Post »Now, I am a linguist who produced my native language (Thai) curriculum for the U.S government and universities.I acknowledge that cultural background is a mandatory to learn the second language because you will understand idioms and proverbs and speak like a native.
From my perspective and experience, the pledge and anthem should not include in any professional language teachings. Do you know why? The purpose of learning new languages is to be able to create or form sentences, paragraphs or cohesive discourses without memorized materials. That is why NO pledges and anthems!
It is first time that I have seen anything like this in the classroom!
No doubt that Ms. Reyna Santos (the Spanish teacher) has her own agenda!
rflaaskog
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 8:28pmWhy are you guys arguing with a traitor?
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 8:37pmLLOYD- ” There were a few thousand gringos in California at that time (pre-Gold Rush), and only a handful in Arizona or New Mexico.” There weren’t very many Mexicans here (in California) either.
Report Post »robert
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 8:48pmLloyd Drako
‘There were men in the 1840s who also considered the Mexican War “shameful and dishonorable.” Abraham Lincoln was one of them.”
Holding up a president who refused to allow secessation and caused the death and destruction of millions killed and maimed is hardly anyone to point to regarding morality, especially since the country was absolutely devastated in every way.
Too, Lloyd, were you aware of the oppression and outright terrorism by the Mexican government throughout ALL its years against the citizens of Mexico? Even today the peons have to bribe the police before they can rummage through the garbage dump.
And, before you become too firm in declaring Mexico is going to recoup its losses did you know that the five main cartels in Mexico are very close to taking over the entire country? Right now most of the officials in governments throughout the country are on their payroll, including most of the police and much of the military.
US intelligence issued a press release a few months ago which said that the the most likely countries in the world to be overthrown are Mexico and Pakistan.
The cartels have about 100,000 armed members on their payroll right now, with paid influence reaching all the way into the US. If they ever stop fighting one another, Mexico is there’s for the taking.
Do you think that might be an impediment to their desire for “Reconquista” of the Southwest US?
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 9:15pmNobody ever tried to teach your kids to pledge allegiance to Canada, or that Montana and Minnesota were stolen from Canada…
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 10:32pmThanks for posting Drako. It’s enjoyable to read someone who knows American history.
I mentioned this thread to my 16 year old daughter who replied, without much thought needed, “that’s ignorance and bigotry.” Ignorance because learning and reciting the pledge to the Mexican flag – once, a single time, for an assignment – is anything but swearing fealty to Mexico and becoming beholden to that country. Ignorance because anyone who has learned foreign language has done something similiar. I translated “Deutschland uber Alles” in high school and didn’t become a Nazi.
And I wonder about the Dad who said he didn’t understand why his daughter had to learn about Mexican culture if she took Spanish. Is he afraid she’ll start liking Mexicans? Learning the culture is a standard with learning any language and rightfully so. Not sure where that guy is coming from.
I imagine my daughter’s school is typical. She’s taking Japanese and Spanish. The the classes celebrate Japanese holidays, Mexican holidays, bring dishes from those countries and so on.
Those things and others, like having foreign exchange students (we’ve had two) bring people across the world closer. That’s the direction people of different nationalities should be moving: toward better understanding and less hatred.
Report Post »toru66
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:05pmI also lived near the border with Canada, we learned to sing the Canadian national anthem, we did it for the spirit of friendship with our sister school in Toronto. But we were NOT required to pledge allegiance to anyone. I was a Spanish teacher and I didn’t teach any student the national anthem of any country. It’s different if you are going to honor students from the country in an exchange but this ridiculous act by a Spanish teacher who needs to be disciplined by the administration. I am a naturalized American citizen and I totally disagree with this teacher’s actions. I am so sick of this nation being tread upon by everybody. I am of the old school “LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT”.
Report Post »Texasboy002
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:13pmno one actually cared about the french kindof like now.
Report Post »dracothedragon
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:24amAfter we give the land back. Then the Mexicans can join up with the Spaniards and give the land back to the Aztecs. Then the Aztecs can give the land back to whomever they took it from. Then the whomever can give back the land back to the whomevers they took it from and so and so on.
Report Post »BS61
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:49amtechengineer11
Did anyone notice Ron Paul’s plan to cut 1 trillion from the US Budget today?
Did anyone notice that Ron Paul is the least covered of any Presidential candidate with an unbelievably low 2% coverage??
Blaze??? A trillion dollar budget cut and a budget in general from a Presidential candidate garnering low double digits despite the lack of Media coverage is not news enough for you? Or are you mandated by the Jewish Apartheid not to cover Ron Paul?
You annoying Ron Paul supporters will be the reason he loses! Head back over to infowars buddy!
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:44ami think indoctranating kids is bloody sedition. these teachers should be fired asap. learning a language is one thing but saying that the other culture is going to take over is wrong.
Report Post »OL_Glory
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:15am18 years ago I HAD to attend a “cultural diversity” class of which a professor from a prominent middle America University headed up. The first thing he had us do is go around the room, state our name, job title etc. Then he wanted us to state our “cultural heritage”. I was the lucky one that got to go first and when it came to the cultural heritage question, I simply stated I was an American. He reiterated his intent of the question and again I simply said I am an American. Now frustrated with me, asked “I mean where did your ancestors come from”. I said it didn‘t’ matter to me where they came from I am of American culture, which he replied “that is not a culture. Now infuriated this Liberal Professor went past me on to the others in the room. Out of 38 people attending only ONE followed my lead. What does this say about Americans as a whole. 2 of 38 will speak up and defend for OUR American Culture? Our “culture” is made up of a very diverse group of people that came and stood together for one ideal. American!
Report Post »I don’t have an issue of learning a foreign language or culture; heck anymore we probably all need to know Spanish to understand what the Illegal Mexicans are saying about us at the store. But how dare we require our Children to recite the Mexican pledge on this soil is absurd. Just the other day when I had a American Flag retirement ceremony, some of the people there couldn’t even remember the words to the American Pledge of Allegiance.
America, Love H
sweetsuzee
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:36pmLloyd, There is nothing wrong with your class having learned about Quebec, France, or any other nation. When I went to school that was a subject called “World History” and we learned about all of the major nations of the world. However, there is a big difference between reciting a pledge or an anthem than learning about historical information. A “pledge” is your word and no one should ever recite a pledge unless they mean it. If you are of German, French, Spansh, etc., descent and want to learn the pledge and/or anthem of you ancestors, there is nothing wrong with that as long as you do it on your own time. My American born mother used to always sing the French anthem when it played at the various Olympics. Had I asked her to teach it to me, she gladly would have. If I came home and told her it was mandatory learning in school, she would have been in Mother Superior’s office like Johnny-on-the-spot !! This is America and we need to keep it American forever !!!
Report Post »sweetsuzee
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 12:44pmLloyd, The French-Canadians are despised by most Canadians.
Report Post »pluntze2001
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:25pmThis a complete abuse of authority by a teacher who was hired to ostensibly be a RESPONSIBLE educator. There’s NOTHING about the disgraceful behavior of either teacher Reyna Santos nor principal Yvette Cavazo (or for the verrry apathetic school district that couldn’t even be bothered returning the phone calls from this 15-year-old girl’s understandably irate father)
Report Post »discus02
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:11pmIt’s not called education anymore it is called indoctrination. First of all the Spanish weren’t here first the Indians were here first. Maybe we should learn their culture!
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:17pm“First of all the Spanish weren’t here first the Indians were here first. Maybe we should learn their culture!”
What…? Then you people would gripe about that, too.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:49pmIt doesn’t matter who was here first, it matters who was the strongest of the participants and who is here now.
Report Post »FLyoverman
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:10pmOdd, I thought this was a class in Spanish. You know, Spain, all of South and Central America, except one country. Since when is the language Mexican?
Report Post »toru66
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 11:17pmExactly! I was a Spanish teacher taught the importance or recognizing ALL the unique cultures within the Spanish speaking world. I find it ridiculous that Spanish as taught in the US is primarily focused on Mexico. I oriented my students toward Spain, taught the diversity of the Spanish (Iberian) European Cultures that Spain is comprised of, then I introduced them to the meso-American cultures that flavor the Latino cultures in the Americas. It‘s different if you are having an exchange program and you learn the anthem of said country for the purpose of honoring those students visiting but to learn Mexico’s anthem and pledge is indicative of the ignorance of that teacher. I actually had the Mexican teacher that visited our school question why I had a the flag of Spain up instead of Mexico in my classroom. I politely reminded her that Spanish did not originate in Mexico. She never brought it up again.
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:10pmMore proof that the subversives and revoulutionaries are in academia; college and highschool.. Educators are filling our youths minds with garbage and are charging an arm and a leg for a college education. No one speaks of the ever rising, rediculous cost. http://guerillatics.com
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:33pmMy friends are going around and around with her daughters PRE-School because they won’t say the pledge at the start of class .. THE AMERICAN PLEDGE … they even bought a flag for the classroom so that they could put their hands over their hearts and say the pledge .. the teacher said the flag was “too large” .. we had a full size in EVERY classroom when I went to school. Now they are forcing the Mexican pledge ??? Amazing …. I would go to that school and let them know my displeasure and then PULL MY CHILD OUT!
Home school … or vouchers for citizen students!
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:02pmRobert: I note that you too appreciate the power of demographic change! I’m reminded sometimes of the Germanization of large parts of the Roman Empire, in part violent conquest, in part sheer population seepage across an extended and impossible-to-defend-everywhere frontier.
Report Post »robert
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:06pmLloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:02pm
“Robert: I note that you too appreciate the power of demographic change! I’m reminded sometimes of the Germanization of large parts of the Roman Empire, in part violent conquest, in part sheer population seepage across an extended and impossible-to-defend-everywhere frontier.”
Absolutely right.
Multiculturalism was the MAIN factor in the final destruction of Rome.
The Roman elites thought their plan to USE conquered people and immigrants, ” to do the work their population wouldn’t do, ” was a clever plan, because it gave them the added benefit of having foreigners fight their wars, too.
It was the Visigoths who threw open the gates of Rome and allowed their tribal kinsmen to takeover the city and sack it from end to end.
Multicultural societies always end up collapsing, mostly in internecine warfare. This one will eventually do the same, but a pullback to ethnic enclaves is a better choice than a takeover by Mexico or its inhabitants in this country.
Report Post »Unbelievable
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:03pmMr. Rick Perry better put a stop to this and NOW!! If he thinks his poll numbers went down when he defending us funding illegal aliens to go to college… boy his number will hit rock bottom if he doesn’t stop this NOW!!
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:07pmRick Perry loves Mexicans… ;>)
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:08pmRick Perry was a former Democrat who campaigned for Gore back in ‘88. Though that may be ancient history, he is a career politician. I don’t expect much from him.
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:10pmHow about this…….recite the american pledge and national anthum in spanish. What a concept.
Report Post »Typical mexican nationals such as this teacher….their alegence is not to the U.S. and never will be.
lukerw
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:16pmDo not forget… Perry has also been against a Boarder Fence! This is one strange Texan!
Report Post »gwssacredcause
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:17pmI love Mexicans too, I just think the people that are here in this country should pay us the respect of learning about our culture and obeying our laws. Americans of Mexican decent have contributed their blood and had work to help build the greatest country on earth, this is not about race it is about the basic foundations of freedom being eroded.
Report Post »robert
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:23pmThis kind of sedition and anti-Americanism has been going on for years now, but the MSM has ignored it, and consequently the sheeple know nothing about it.
“We have an aging white America.They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population… I love it. They are ******** in their pants with fear. I love it.”, “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.”– Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas.”
NOTE! This dork is STILL working as a prof at UT. Are you ready to be eliminated????
“I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important – a very important – part of this.” — Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, Chicago on July 23, 1997.”
“The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.” — Excelsior – The national newspaper of Mexico”
“California is going to be a Hispanic state, and anyone who doesn’t like it should leave. They should go back to Europe.” — Mario Obledo, co-founder and President of MALDEF, 1968 to 1973; President of the League of United Latin American Citizens 1983-85, California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare 1975-82, awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.”
NOTE! Now, they want the entire SW, not just Calif.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:09pmRobert: I note that you too appreciate the power of demographic change! I’m reminded sometimes of the Germanization of large parts of the Roman Empire, in part violent conquest, in part sheer population seepage across an extended and impossible-to-defend-everywhere frontier. (Sorry, earlier this reply ended up in the wrong place.)
Report Post »bhohater
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:03pmBrenda and her dad are true hero’s, but sadly they will be among the first rounded up and sent to one of Homeland Security’s re-eduacation camps.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:09pmYep…they’re building a re-education camp right in my neighborhood. They say it‘s a school but I know they’re lying. That damn Obama… ;>)
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:16pmOne would think BHOHATER does not trust Government much….
Report Post »Neither do I. There’s not much one can do these days, but I for one never vote yes on school levies until the NEA is busted and public schools go back to teaching the 3 Rs and stop being Socialist Indoctrination Centers. Study Hitler and Stalin: we are heading the same way with the same mechanisms that made them possible.
Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:22pmLumbar Spine: Best not mock! It’s been estimated that the construction of a single reeducation camp creates several hundred jobs, not to mention stimulation to the local economy by the guards and other personnel spending their paychecks at local Dollar Stores.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:30pmDrako, who says the government isn’t a job creator?
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:58pmMy ancestors thought they had killed those nasty little knats with one swat. The Commanche were the real fight. Don’t make us swat you again.
Report Post »Biscuit Feed Bubba
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:06pmWe let until we let. Wake up America. Great job on resisting. You are brave girl and may God Bless you.
Report Post »tomcat709
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:09amcool thought, knat=gnat. gotta love it
Report Post »olddog
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:57pmWait a minute, didn’t they do away with the pledge of alegiance to America???
Report Post »tomcat709
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:19amYep! Want it back? VOTE
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:57pmWell, now aren’t they just “precious”? NO, THEY AREN’T!
That is subversion of our students and needs to be stopped NOW.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:57pmBetter question is whether these kids are learning to speak Spanish. If so, then what’s the problem…? It’s called E D U C A T I O N.
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:21pmLumbar Spine- I suppose if you were learning Chinese you would feel good about Communist indocrination to go along with it?
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:29pmExcept that learning the Mexican pledge of allegiance in a Spanish class isn’t exactly indoctrination…
BTW, when is the Caliphate getting here?
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:42pmAre you as stupid as you sound? That would be a resounding YES!
I have no problem students learning Spanish, I have no problem in students learning about the different countries that speaks Spanish or a dialect of Spanish. I have no problem them learning songs in Spanish, but I will be damned if I should be required to learn and recite another country’s pledge in my own country. I would have been okay with them only knowing the Mexican pledge to compare it with the American pledge, but this teacher went too far. So in your book because I am an American, if I go teach English classes in Mexico I can make them memorize and recite The Star Spangled Banner and recite the Pledge of Allegiance for America to an American flag. Are you freaking kidding me, I would be kicked out of that school so fast in Mexico my head would spin.
The only pledge coming out of my mouth is the American pledge.
I guess Lumbar Spine does not mind that his country is being taken over. I hope you are taking Mandarin lessons and learning the Chinese pledge, cause at the rate we are going, that is who we will fall under. Otherwise, if Islam manages to inflict Sharia into the U.S. government, then you might want to start reading the Koran and speaking Arabic.
People who prefer to stick their head in sand, up their ____ and ignore the warning signs, will find themselves on the outside wondering ‘What the Hell happened” and then of course you want the military to protect your A$$ from all the b
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:51pmCofemale…sorry, but the Caliphate is going to take over America before the Mexicans do. At least that’s what Glenn Beck has been saying. BTW, where is the Caliphate…?
Report Post »AZGodGoldGuns
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:56pmCan you Say “Aztlan” I will be addressing this very subject in my up and coming books called “Conspiracy of Crisis”. Find me on Face Book under COC and a website coming soon.
Look up Aztlan, it will shock you and no one is talking about it, but it’s coming and very soon.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:33pmYes – thanks – I live in Texas but only heard about this by accident and was shocked. I highly recommend everyone check this out !!!!
“58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, “The territory of the United States’ southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.” Zogby said 28 percent disagreed, while another 14 percent said they weren’t sure.”
http://www.illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 8:11pmRemember the Alamo! Let’s wake up my fellow gringoes! When are we gonna stop all this undermining of our way of life?We outsource most of our manufacturing to enemies like china, we have illegals doing work at a small fraction of the going rate and it’s no longer just cutting grass,picking crops and washing dishes! Now they are in most if not all trades and in most cases the quality of workmanship takes a back seat to the bottom line! I bid jobs at a fair price, We got more money 25 yrs ago than today and we do top quality work, these illegal bastards have no overhead whatsoever and in most cases do shoddy work!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:56pmWhen asked to recite the Mexican Pledge… give them your Name, Rank, and Serial Number!
Report Post »gwssacredcause
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:56pmI think it would have been much more productive for the class to learn the Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America in Spanish. I guess when America is 65th in the literacy it makes more sense to learn about other cultures and not require people of other cultures to learn about ours, especially if they are in our country.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:52pmThe father really hit the nail on the head when he stated that spanish is the language from spain NOT MEXICO. The teacher is using this spanish class to push a mexican agenda. Maybe it’s time to send all our children to school with transmitters so we can monitor all classrooms in the nation. We nned to establish a private citizen security force to stop this indoctrination.
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:59pmI’d be interested to know if they are teaching South American Spanish or Spain Spanish…it‘ll be even more amazing if they are teaching Spain’s Spanish and pushing Mexican culture
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:00pmTo quote George W. Bush…”Is our children learning?”
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:04pmThis is McAllen, Texas. It’s about 5 miles from the Mexican border. So students in a Spanish class there should learn about Spain in preference to Mexico?
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:00pmTo quote Barack H. Obama…”“There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian”
Report Post »Shellback
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:51pmThe question to the school teacher should be, why not Spain? After all, that is where the spanish language came froim. Or for that matter, Gutemala, Honduras, or don’t cry for me Argentina. Then see what what the teacher would say.
Report Post »denispaul
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:02pmhow about who did Spain steal Mexico from or South America?
Report Post »saranda
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:14pmBecause the town is basically on the Mexican border. Real world experience to learn a language is always good.
Report Post »This is such a silly thing to get excited about.
AlansTigg
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:15pmDon’t be silly, Spain didn‘t steal anyone’s land…only America did that…everyone else was born right where they are…we’re the only ones to have had slavery too
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:00pmSpain itself was stolen from the Muslims, who stole it from the Visigoths, who stole it from the Romans, who stole it from the Carthaginians. Before that, the statute of limitations applies, so don’t ask. . . .
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:53pmYep, you are as stupid as you sound also AlansTigg. We were the only ones who had slavery. Boy, they do not teach anything in public schools nowadays. Yes slavery came to the United States, but everyone forgets it was the Democrats or equivalent back in the day that brought slavery to the U.S. You guys seem to forget about that little bit of history. I am not saying some Republicans didn’t own slaves, but the majority were owned by Democrats. In researching, my family history on my mom’s side, many of my ancestors owned slaves; they were Democrats. It was Southern Democrats who didn’t want to free the slaves, you seem to forget that part of history too. Why do you think Democrats want to erase history and Republicans want to restore it. If you lose all the good and bad side of history, then you will be doomed to repeat it.
Hmm. Egypt had slaves, Modern day Iraq in Biblical times had slaves, Africa has/had slaves; slaves have been around throughout history in every country on this earth. Perhaps you might want to start learning about the real world rather than keep repeating what your Liberal friends tell you or maybe I should say Move-Along.org tells you to say.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:59pmUmmmm, COFEMALE…slavery existed in North America for more than a hundred years before America was even founded. Where did you get your education…K-mart?
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:59pmLloyd said “I’m sure you all realize that most American students are just going through the motions when they recite the Pledge of Allegiance? No doubt students in Mexico mostly feel the same way about theirs–that‘s it’s a tiresome ritual forced upon them by their elders. You can’t “devalue” a pledge that, for most of the people who say it everyday, has little value in the first place.”
Yep you are a Liberal troll. I am sorry I take saying the pledge with honor and I sing our National Anthem with honor. It is not tiresome. I am proud of American faults and all, but I will be damned if I will allow the likes of you to disparage America. If you hate this place so much, move.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:02pmSo smarty pants if America wasn’t founded yet how could their be slaves? Last I checked the Native Americans were not beholding to anyone. You are as dumb as you sound.
Tell me who owned slaves a hundred years before America was founded?
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:09pmCOFEMALE…you might want to stop typing before making a bigger fool of yourself. Do you think North America was first settled in 1776? LOL…
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:11pmOkay, Lumbar you are talking about the hundred years before the Declaration of Independence in the 1600′s when the British came to America. That is different, I thought you were talking before America was first discovered. I know about the slaves because my first ancestor came from England around 1658 to Virginia and he did own some slaves. He also fought in the Revolutionary War and his son’s fought in the War of 1812. So my ancestry was around when the United States was fighting for freedom. Were yours?
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 3:18pmCOFEMALE…you said it was Democrats who introduced slavery to America. There were no “Democrats” in the 1600′s in America. There was no USA yet. Got it…? Ironic isn’t it that you are complaining on a thread about education?
Report Post »alexegz30
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:50pmThis is how they work on taking our freedoms. They force their lies on kids and make them think the country with the most freedom in recorded history is the bad guy just so they can take that freedom away by the next generation. That teacher should have been fired and the pricipal replaced with a permanent ban against ever being allowed to direct children’s education in such an anti-American slant. He would have a wide variety of countries to choose from after all, just not this one.
Report Post »OneofMany
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:49pmWhen is ENOUGH , ENOUGH!
Report Post »Arc
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:49pmI’ll continue to point this out until I am gone. Hugo Chavez ( a socialist) invited Bill Ayers ( an American terrorist) to Caracas to speak on education in America. Ayers indicated that he wanted to bring a LEFTIST revolution to the American Education System.
Bill Ayers, Rashid Kahlidi were in the room where Barack Obama voiced his desire to run for political office. If the southern border remains as holey as a seive, perhaps the socialist Venezuelans and countless others convinced that the Infidels must die.
Report Post »schmed
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:46pmSo, I guess if they studied the history of the NSDAP, the principal would see no problem with them doing goosestepping and Zeig Heil ?
Report Post »schmed
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:45pmSo, if they were studying German history during WWII, I guess doing some Seig Heils would not be a problem with the principal ?
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:21pmTwo tries and you still don’t have it right. It’s spelled “Sieg Heil.”
And the answer to your question is yes! My guess would be that a lot of students who take German (a dwindling number) do so not because they want to read Goethe or Heine, but because they’re fascinated by the Nazis and the 3rd Reich. Goosestepping around the classroom might be a bit extreme, but learning, say, the Horst Wessel Lied or some other Nazi anthem or pledge in the original would play into that fascination and make learning easier and more fun.
After that, perhaps also the original German texts of works by Karl Marx and Ludwig von Mises, just for balance.
Report Post »LiberalMarine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:44pmIt’s not devaluing the words of the Mexican Pledge to learn them for a class and just repeat them, that’s ridiculous.
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:53pmI disagree. Either you are swearing your allegiance to the Mexican state, or you aren’t. If you aren’t, while reciting the words, that means that the words are meaningless. If you say that the words are meaningless that automatically devalues the pledge. You can’t have it both ways.
Report Post »LiberalMarine
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:01pmWhy do we care if someone thinks we are devaluing the mexican pledge, if the teacher made the students learn the American pledge in spanish then just as many people would be upset.
Report Post »Outdoorguyman
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:03pmYou of all people .What did you and I serve for so we could indoctrinate our youth with this kind of stuff.
Report Post »We are Americans FIRST!! NOT MEX’S I feel sorry for you and your flawed way of thinking..
AlansTigg
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:11pmwhy would anyone be offended by American students in Spanish class learning to say the American Pledge in Spanish? They are there to learn Spanish…not like they’re in English class being forced to recite history in Spanish. Speaking Spanish is generally expected in Spanish class
Report Post »Secessionista
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 1:15pmYou would be court martialed and hanged or shot if you did it, marine, little ‘m’.
Still think it’s just a few meaningless words?
But your butt buddy Obama Hussein might want to call a beer summit and say the girl acted hastily and irresponsibly.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 2:07pmI’m sure you all realize that most American students are just going through the motions when they recite the Pledge of Allegiance? No doubt students in Mexico mostly feel the same way about theirs–that‘s it’s a tiresome ritual forced upon them by their elders. You can’t “devalue” a pledge that, for most of the people who say it everyday, has little value in the first place.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 4:25pm@liberalmarine
Report Post »Your original username was “conversationcanwork.“ Why did you switch it to ”liberalmarine?” It’s a highly suspicious change, considering your new username sends exactly the opposite message to the conservative majority here. Maybe our marines can sort you out.
chessrules
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:41pmIn a day when the liberals do not want to even recite our American pledge of allegiance they make students recite the Mexican pledge of allegiance? How screwed up is that? Hey- if the idea is to learn spanish why not have students recite our pledge of allegiance is spanish? This would not be offensive. Maybe the agenda is to slowly have everybody pledge to mexico instead of America. I’m just saying…
Report Post »OneofMany
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:40pmGood for Brenda… If she was my daughter I‘d give her a big hug and say that’s my girl!
Report Post »hi
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:39pmCome on, you don‘t have a heart if you don’t say the Mexican pledge!
JK
Report Post »nohussein
Posted on October 17, 2011 at 12:36pmGood for brenda, she is a true American.
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