‘God Abhors You’: Protesters Rally Against Pastor Who Called for Gays to Be Placed in Electric Fence
- Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:09am by
Billy Hallowell
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The controversy surrounding North Carolina-based pastor Charles L. Worley following his sermon calling for gays and lesbians to be contained in an electrified fence until they die off only seems to be growing.
On Sunday, CNN caught up with the Worley, who refused to comment or retract any of his previous statements.
“Pastor, would you like to take back anything you said?,” a reporter asked, as Worley was walking to his car on his way to deliver a Sunday sermon.
Worley paced on, ignoring the opportunity to clarify or frame the comments that have made their way across the nation. His silence, though, was later countered by individuals on both sides of the debate who held boisterous protest events.
“I felt that he was preaching bigotry,” said one man who attended a rally just miles from the church. “My God is a loving God. My God loves everybody.”
“This is not a preacher. This is a bigot,” yet another protester proclaimed.
Below, watch a protest video, during which anti-Worley protesters chant “Love not hate!”
But while these individuals came together against Worley, others assembled with signs in hand to support the purportedly anti-gay pastor. Some of the posters touted messages like, “God abhors you” and “I now pronounce you pervert and pervert.”
Watch CNN’s coverage of the protest and counter-protest, below:
As The Blaze previously reported, Worley, the faith leader at Providence Road Baptist Church in the town of Maiden, set off a firestorm when his sermon about gays made its way around the blogosphere earlier this month.
“Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there,” he said in the sermon, which was allegedly filmed on May 13. “Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out…and you know what, in a few years, they’ll die out…do you know why? They can’t reproduce!”
Judging from the protests and continued interest, the controversy surrounding his words is nowhere near over.
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Comments (113)
Stempy
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 4:38pmI live a few minutes down the road. Our town was a freak show this weekend.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 4:18pmLooks like the Anti-Christs, commies, and atheists have decided to attack the Blaze in full force.
Report Post »It wont work.
7thAvatar
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 4:33pmYes, the Gay Stormtroopers inevitably make their appearance in an effort of intimidate people. It won’t work and will only backfire on them.
Report Post »dirty_commie
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:37pmThe bible is a book, written by men. Homosexuality is not a sin. It’s just a form of sexuality. The End.
While I was surprised by how surprisingly unbiased this article was, I’m not surprised by the bigotry expressed in most of its comments.
Btw, Jesus was a communist.
Report Post »gbro
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:53pmWow, so what is a sin and how do you know its a sin? Also where would you hear about this being a sin if not from the Bible or book as you call it? Oh yeah it was written by men that were divinely led to write what God led them to write.
Report Post »ObozoNoMore
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 4:57pmSpoken like a true religiophobe.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:44amProve to me sin exists
First
What is your definition of sin?
Is it something that is against your God? If so, how do we determine whose interpretation of your God’s book do we accept? Also, why would I care what your God says at all?
Is sin your definition of something that you think is wrong? If so, do we go by only what you think is wrong? Do we go by what we as a society think is wrong? What if we as a society think something is wrong, so we ban it, but it is in fact, unconstitutional to do so? Do we ban it anyways?
Until you can prove to me that “sin” exists, I have no reason to accept your use of that word in any discussion.
If you want to say it’s “wrong”, go ahead and tell me why you think it’s wrong with facts, evidence and after that prove to me that it’s unconstitutional. Just because something is wrong doesn‘t mean it’s unconstitutional.
Report Post »TRUTHSENSE
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:00amAre you saying bigotry is a sin? Who said so?
Report Post »ToddH
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:50amDo you look for bias in the liberal atheist articles you read?
Report Post »Because I always do and most of the Huffington Post & Gawker stuff is so far left-leaning it is offensive to anyone witha brain to think with for themselves.
The comments you are reading are people’s true reactions, not from some reporter paid to tell us all what to think, and that is what I appreciate about Glenn Beck, from all the way back to his Fox News days, he reported only news, and never told us all what we should think. He urged us all to do our homework to discover his finds on history and government affairs for ourselves.
I am an atheist, don‘t give a rat’s rear about gay marriage. Consider a lot of this social controversy nonsense to be aimed as big distractions against the much larger issues currently hurting our country, and I am a proud conservative independent thinker.
I invite all liberal atheists to join me and start thinking for themselves. I used to be one of you.
jaxson
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:25pmRomans 1: 17-32……….homosexuality is a curse for worshiping the created instead of the Creator……
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:38pmBasic Human Morality, 1:1……. The christian concept of god is violent, exclusionary, archaic, and childish, as evidenced by the behavior of his knuckle-dragging constituents. As such, christian literalism should play absolutely no role in our ongoing conversation about the proper way to treat one another.
Report Post »Goldline_scam
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 3:47pmA-fookin-men!!!
Report Post »gbro
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:06pmI wish people would stop quoting hate the sin, love the sinner as if it were from the Bible. Its not from the bible , ghandi said this in his book.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:21pmWrong. Ghandi was quoting St. Augustine of Hippo, who wrote that in about 395 AD. The principles behind the saying are reflected time and again in the Scriptures.
Report Post »gbro
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:55pmIts not a quote or Scripture in the Bible.
Report Post »TRUTHSENSE
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:22amI haven’t seen anyone put the phrase hate the sin, love the sinner in quotes. It is not a quote but that does not change the fact that it is a Biblical principle. God hates sin and what it does to people so much that he sent the flood because of it, so it should be apparent that God hates sin. It should also be apparent that God loves those who commit sin because that includes all of us. Romans 8:5 says “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” So GBRO, which part is it that you say is not in the Bible? Is it that God hates sin, or the part that says God loves sinners?
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 1:59pmThere is a reason Poop comes out of that hole…..
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:42pmHow dare you mock the work of our immaculate Creator. Anyone with the gall to crack jokes about the anus and genitalia, or the various organs such as the appendix and tonsils that serve no purpose in the biology of humanity, simply does not understand the mysterious architecture of the Almighty.
Report Post »thibx
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 1:24pmwe wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and rulers of darkness against spritual host of wickedness walking this earth. the is what homos are up against and they accept it instead of rebuking it.
Report Post »Goldline_scam
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 3:52pm… says the man who worships the imaginary sky-fairy.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 1:03pmWhoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”
Matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Report Post »——————————————————————————–
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned
1 Corinthians 6:9 “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders”
rbilleaud
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 1:27pmMatthew 7:1 – Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 – For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Report Post »2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:20pm@ rbilleaud
Quoting scripture without understanding who said something and why is by far one of the largest mistakes you can make. Christ does say that you can and should judge, just not someones soul. If you read and receive wisdom (only from God above), then you would understand this basic truth. So I judge that either you do not know, or you are a wolf attempting to steer others from God’s truth.
Christ says, watch out for people like you that appear to be sheep, but are ravenous wolves. He also said not to give your best to swine (or people that will not listen – i.e. judge) for they will rend you. Jesus says throughout to judge, not just yourself but those around you so that you do not fall in the same pits as others. To say that you should not say something to when someone is clearly in sin is just like saying that you should not correct your children, and we clearly no that’s wrong (well, maybe not you).
May God continue to comfort those that need it and grant wisdom to those that humble seek it from HIM – not man.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:25pm@ 2Godbetheglory: AMEN. You are correct. I‘m absolutely sick and tired of people who have never attempted to comprehend the Bible saying we shouldn’t judge. But we all know that once we knock down this argument, ten thousand others (that are equally weak) spring up in their place. Next, RBilliaud will be arguing that we’re not “real” Christians because we eat shellfish and wear clothes made of two different materials, lol.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 3:21pmRBILLEAUD: Read and learn..don’t be decieved by another “Jesus” of your own making:
Report Post »http://www.jesuscult.org/judge.htm
7thAvatar
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 4:43pmChrist is condemning here ‘hypocritical judgment.’ He is saying, “You are engaging in the same sinful behaviour as the people you are condemning. First change your own lifestyle and then you be justified in condemning this sin in others.” Homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and homosexuals suffer from a variety of neuroses and other complexes. They are sexually disoriented individuals. A man’s organ of generation was not designed to insert it in the rectum of another man. That is, and shall always remain, a grotesque perversion of God’s plan for the salvation of humanity. Those who defy God shall reap the whirlwind, and to a very large extent, they already have. Those who mock today will wail and gnash their teeth in time – and they will only have themselves to blame for eternity. God does not love sin. Those who proclaim “My God is a God of love,” have a deficient understanding of God;’s purpose for our salvation. God’;s love is such that He gave His only begotten Son, who died on our behalf. God desires that all people should wrest free from their embrace of horrible sins that will land them in the pit of hell if they do not repent and change their sinful way of life. Like Lucifer, the queers say, “I shall not serve.” They are driven by pride, lust, egotism, self-abasement, hatred of all that is spiritually good and uplifting, and rebellious. If people truly love the gays, they will not persist in confirming them in their soul destructive sin
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 1:54am@2GODBETHEGLORY
Basically what you said is, “You’ve got the wrong interpretation of the Bible, accept my interpretation.”
You religious nutbags contradict each other so much and all claim divinity behind your interpretation of your holy book which WASN’T written by God no matter how much you claim it to be.
Why is it when I have this particular discussion, I feel like i have to pull teeth? First they tell me what they believe, then when I actually pry for evidence, they try to give me some kind of literal reasoning, then just fall back on belief.
1st statement, “The Bible is the word of God.”
Report Post »1st counter, “God writes books?”
2nd statement, “Well the Bible is inspired by God but written by men.”
2nd counter, “Yeah, the authors given in the Bible actually didn’t write it.”
3rd statement, “Well I mean obviously we don‘t know all the authors and it’s unlikely that the authors claimed in the Bible actually wrote it, but it was written by followers of the followers.”
3rd counter, “No it wasn’t, you and me both know it wasn’t written until decades after the events supposedly happened. You and me also know that the modern day bible didn’t come into formation until centuries later.”
4th statement, “well right, but God’s hand lead the formation of the Bible.”
4th counter, “no, they took the commonly read Bible books and discarded the ones which weren’t as popular at the time.”
5th statement, “well it’s just what I believe.”
5th coun
altops
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 12:32pmGod loves all sinners, and hates the sin that is why he died to redeem the sinner from the wages of the sin. But only if you believe and receive Christ, trusting in Him to save your eternal soul.
<>So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Report Post »FreedomWitness
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:58amIs it just me or does that guy have a disturbingly small mustache? You know like the guy in the band Sparks or that guy Adolf Shitler!
Report Post »7thAvatar
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 5:05pmWhen it suited his political ambitions, Hitler overlooked the homosexual peccadilloes of his “Gay” Stormtroopers.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:57amLet God handle it……….he has the final word.
Report Post »lantzh
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:25pmAnd God gave you choice. Not choice in him but choice of good over evil and right from wrong.
get real people…god said bla bla bla….
God didn’t say anything, some men said it and men wrote it down and others changed it all up to controll you. use your heads like god intended for you to do. you know what is right and what is wrong…no one needs to tell you and on one needs a book its all imprinted on your soul already. its your choice to see it or not and fallow it or not. Homosexuality is wrong and goes against the survival dynamics of mankind…period. its sexual deviancy and addiction and mental illness at the least.
Please stop playing the turn the other cheek crap. We need “strong americans” not weak sheeple ones. Meek doesn’t mean weak but some people in this country seem to have forgotten that concept.
Become sheepdogs not sheep or wolves. Stop being hearded by a shephard. They will lead you to the slaughter house. Most so called christians just want to feel like they are good people but never even pick up a bible or read what it actually says. They lazily rely on someone else to tell them what it says and lead them to the slaughter house. and those “shephards” only pick scriptures that realate to themselves and the lessons that “they” as men, are trying to influendce on the people they claim to lead, the sheeple.
Report Post »Educate yourselves and stop following blindly other mens words. God wrote all you need to know on your souls heart, tha
AnotherWay
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:42amWhy does homosexuality exist if gays don’t reproduce? Geneticists believe that it is because gays assisted women in raising children and provided additional nurturing that provided a survival advantage to families that had gay members.
That doesn’t sound like a sin. Nurturing and love are blessings.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 12:00pm@ANOTHERWAY
“Geneticists believe”
ROFL – this is just stupid. I have never met a gay person that was interested in nurturing other peoples children, although I’m sure there are some – obviously some gays want to adopt. This is “sceientists” trying to rationalize abnormalities in nature.
This world is not perfect, nature is not perfect. Your silly reference is like saying pedophiles serve a purpose, they keep parents on their toes.
We have all kinds of imperfections in nature. You can argue whether gays are imperfect or are God’s plan, but obviously you cannot explain away all the imperfections in nature with cute little fantasies about nurturing.
Please do not quote scientists that are talking out of their rear ends. It does a disservice to science.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:41am“Put them in an electric fence?” Obama has plans to put us all in electric fences; called FEMA camps. They are already built. Change-of-address cards anyone?
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:43amIm sure thats his plan. I swear, you Beckbots are becoming more delusional by the day….
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:27amGiven any Territory… the Majority of Predators will attach a Minority, simply because they are OutOfStep with the Peer Group!
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:21amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6akiFydku8A&feature=plcp
I think Pastor JD nails the discussion very well concerning Gays and the lifestyle.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 12:05pmSorry, his reference to the rapture turned me off and I tuned out. There is NO biblical reference to a “snatching away.” (Yeah, I know. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 refers to a “snatching away.”) The same word (harpazō) is used in the parable of the seeds. Is Satan going to have a “rapture”, too?? If there is a rapture, there will be NO ONE on earth more surprised than me. Even Harold Camping quit forecasting it.
Report Post »Here is my forecast: If on Sept 27 you see Israel surrounded with armies, on Oct 27 America will fall.
rbilleaud
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 1:30pmRight on, Preston. I am amazed that some Christians take one passage with a misinterpreted meaning and base an entire belief system on that.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:31pm@ RamonPreston: yet, at Acts 8:39, the SAME WORD is used when Philip was “caught up” by the Lord and transported many miles away. So you have a choice there: either you will PAY ATTENTION to the fact that Paul is using a metaphor that CAN, in fact, mean this … or you will be very, VERY surprised one day. (I *do* hope it’s a pleasant surprise for you.) Having said this, I will say that there is no “pre-Trib” rapture. It’s clearly “pre-wrath” … but that’s another discussion entirely.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:17amAlthough the way he conveyed this message is lacking in tact, decorum and is down right outrageous, the premise of his story is fact. If you only had lesbians left in the world they would not be able to procreate and would die off and vice versa with only all males. That is fact. Where he went wrong was putting them in an electrified fence.
I do not condone the way he phrased his statements and I am wondering if he said it more for shock value rather than his own beliefs. People are ignoring the true message.
So Hustler can show S E Cupp with a d*ck in her mouth and the only outrage comes from the right. Very few on the left make a peep, Bill Maher can call women vile names and again the left dismiss by saying he is a comedian. Rush eludes that Sandra Fluke would be a slut and the left goes bonkers. Does the left have selective and hypocritical moral outrage?
Well my response this pastor is just a comedian. (sarcasm)
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:51amWhile I think you cut him too much slack – I agree with you.
His presentation of his idea was gruesome and anti-human.
But his point was not a desire to lock gays up, rather the point that gays are a biological dead end. That gays go extinct every generation.
This is the truth.
Report Post »Suzanne D
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:38pmI actually like that … “he’s just a comedian.” But seriously, there is a reason why the left makes so much noise about stuff like this, and is quiet when Conservatives are denigrated: we hold the world to a high standard (GOD’S standard) … so shouldn’t we ALSO be BEHAVING at that level as well? You say you agree with this Pastor, but acknowledge he used a poor choice of words. Well then, he should be rebuked by Christians BECAUSE OF THAT. He should be preaching sound, Biblical principals about how we are to think and relate to a fallen world … but he was NOT doing that, was he?
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:00amDo you think homosexuality is contagious?
I never got the, “if everyone were homosexual, we’d go extinct!” argument.
It’s idiotic and not based in any logic for the simple reason………not everyone is homosexual.
Is this what the American school system is churning out nowadays? People who continually make fundamentally flawed arguments and then demand respect for such arguments?
Think up a better argument and then get back to me.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:57amThe nitwits of Westboro must be proud. I refuse to call them either a church or Baptist. The Baptist Church say they have nothing to do with them and are not a chartered member. And, they certainly have nothing to do with any church other than claim that word in their title.
Report Post »7thAvatar
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 4:50pmGod responded to the evil in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone. I‘d say that the Pastor’s remarks were rather restrained in view of all the provocations and taunting Christians are expected to endure at the hands of these hypocrites on a daily basis. Bottom line here is, “The wages of sin is death.”
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:40amWhat one protestor said about him not being a “preacher”, a bigot — no, he is a preacher – he’s probably just not a “real” Christian. He obviously has serious issues not compatible with scriptures…or at the very least, he has no wisdom. This is one of the main reasons why Christians are misunderstood and hated by the left, non-Christians.
Report Post »God loves all sinners – hates the sin…and btw, there are other sins out there that God hates. How about lying, hypocrisy, adultery, unscriptural divorce, sex outside of marriage, lust/envy, jealousy, etc., etc., etc. I’m sure everyone is guilty of at least one of those – including pastors. How about we preach against those?? And btw, re homosexuality, it’s only the willful choice of acting on this, not just having those abnormal preferences, just like it’s not a sin for straights to have their normal preferences. This has been highly mishandled by Christians, who should also inspect themselves and the “beam” in their own eyes before they start declaring rebukes on others….and….said in love and respect for the soul that God loves unconditionally. Wake up church.
kansas hawks 3
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:23amDo you not read the Bible?????????????? Try reading the passage where God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.dose this ring a bell with you, This was God doing this because there was no moral people left in the cities.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:25amBut of course all non-believers must by leftist, socialist, commies. What we have hear is nothing more than degrees of the same belief driven, ideological based, “godly” rationalized ignorance. These types of churches, congregations and, Fair and Balanced Faith Leaders (LOL) are more common than you might think. They represent the nonsensical, ideological zealots that populate both ends of the spectrum. Groups that feel a need to take radical, unsupported positions because of some perceived need, or duty to balance out radical positions on the other side. Any wonder why it is the independent voters who actually focus on policy questions and valid measures of character and competence that elect the President….. And thank God for that.
Report Post »7thAvatar
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 4:56pmI would say that the man is fed up with the liberal leftist agenda of immorality in this country. I’d say he is fed up with 60 million abortions of innocent children. And fed up with the whorish media attempting to shove homosexuality down the throats of Americans. I’d say he is fed up with the corruption of our children. When the leftists are not murdering them outright in the womb, they seek to prevent their birth altogether, and when children are fortunate enough to be born, they then seek to corrupt them with sexual filth, drug abuse, etc. Make no mistake about it – there is a satanic inspired War on Children going on in this country. I’d say the Pastor is entitled to express his righteous indignation. The news media isn’t going to save your souls, people – they are part of the machinery of destruction.
Report Post »rednckpreacher
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:40pmWhere do we get off telling people that are in sin that God is ok with them , just not their sin? The Newtestament Scripture says the wrath of God ABIDES on THEM! Not their sin! Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. How can you seperate a sinner from sin? God hates a lot of things, he sent a prophet to Ninevah, a arrogant Violent racist city. They repented and God spared them till they returned to their old ways. If God sent a message to Sodom I have never found it! The only sin that roasted a area with multiple cities was Sodomy! Why preach Gods love to people who GOD CALLED REPROBATE! Unredeemable! Romans 1! Sodomy is a symptom of total rejection of Christ! There can be no compromise here! It‘s God’s word or mans opinion! We have God’s word READ IT ALL! Most of the Sodomite excusers will not venture out of the 4 gospels , not knowing anything else but the social gospel of soft soap liberal preachers, who are afraid to preach the truth !
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:24amThis pastor is not a man of God and Christians should stay away from him.
Homosexuality is a sin.
God loves everyone.
Only those who claim Jesus Christ as their Savior will have eternal life.
End of story.
This pastor needs help as much as the homosexuals he hates. As much as we all need help in our own special ways. It is about forgiveness. But right now this pastor’s hatred is clouding his discernment.
Report Post »Wyo_Kan
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:08am“Homosexuality is a sin.
God loves everyone.
Only those who claim Jesus Christ as their Savior will have eternal life.
End of story.”
Totally agree with the above. But there are entirely too many accusations of “hate” being thrown around these days. Even thought this mans statement was poorly executed, I think that passing judgement on his motive is also in poor taste.
The fact remains that most of the proponents of homosexuality as being a “natural” orientation (i.e. “I was born this way.”) are also believers in the evolutionary theory. And following that worldview, the truth is that if it were a genetic norm, that the gene would have to be reproduced, or would disappear… Survival of the fittest requires that you propagate your positive genes to ensure their survival.
So yes, if homosexuality is a genetic norm, then keeping them from reproducing with the “breeders” (as my gay brother who I love very much likes to refer to heterosexuals) would indeed prove that they are not the “fittest” in the struggle for survival. Because they cannot reproduce.
Any denial of the above forces homosexuals to admit one of more of the following:
1. That it is not a genetic trait.
Report Post »2. If it is genetic, it may be a genetic defect.
3. That it may be caused in part by environmental factors.
4. That it may be caused in part by physical and/or psychological abnormality’s.
RamonPreston
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:46amWhat do you mean “only those who accept Christ will have eternal life?” You believe that the rest will have eternal life…in hell. It’s the “immortal soul” concept (the first lie recorded in the Bible. “You shall not surely die.”)
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 12:02pmRamonpreston,
Irrelevant to the conversation. Scripture talks about eternal LIFE. I do agree with you, but it opens the door for a needless theological debate. Next thing some chucklehead will pop in and claim everyone will go to heaven because God is a great big loveable teddy bear in the sky…It is irrelevant to this conversation.
What I listed above is Scriptural fact. It can be backed up with absolute verses that you would have to stretch totally out of recognition to get any other interpretation.
Report Post »7thAvatar
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 5:16pmThat view is not correct. Acceptance of Jesus Christ is NOT a guarantee of salvation. Christ says, “Go and SIN NO MORE.“ ”Not all who shout “Lord!, Lord!” shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven If there is no acknowledgement of sin and no effort to cease sinning, the offender will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.St Paul said it best:
(1Co 6:9) Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God’s Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts
(1Co 6:10) or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God’s Kingdom.
(1Co 6:11) Some of you were like that. But you have been purified from sin; you have been dedicated to God; you have been put right with God by the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
(1Co 6:12) Someone will say, “I am allowed to do anything.” Yes; but not everything is good for you. I could say that I am allowed to do anything, but I am not going to let anything make me its slave.
(1Co 6:13) Someone else will say, “Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food.” Yes; but God will put an end to both. The body is not to be used for sexual immorality, but to serve the Lord; and the Lord provides for the body.
(1Co 6:14) God raised the Lord from death, and he will also raise us by his power.
(1Co 6:15) You know that your bodies are parts of the body of Christ. Shall I take a part
Report Post »JRook
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 5:36pm“Only those who claim Jesus Christ as their Savior will have eternal life.
End of story”
As you believe. There are alternate views in any number of other religions. The “sin” of arrogance begins with the assertion that one’s religion is superior to any other and the only one that is inspired by God or a representation of his will.
One need only look around to realize that some higher energy or power created that universe. Having said that it is rather obvious that man has no clue what the energy/power is or is not. And we probably could not comprehend it. You want to refer this energy/power as God, great, but let’s not even pretend that the bible even comes close to explaining who or what it is.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 5:50pmAh! The chucklehead DID show up! We have been waiting on you 7thavatar.
So by your theology a saved Christian no longer sins? So either you live a perfect, sinless life or you are not saved. If you think the former you are lying to yourself…hence sinning…So I guess it is probably the later. Try understanding the Scripture that you think you know so well. :-)
@ JROOK,
You occasionally sat something intelligent so I will take you more seriously.
I do not dispute what you say, of course all religions believe they are right, as you believe you are right in your beliefs. I am glad you at least recognize a higher power.
That said, Christians know they are correct because they have the inerrant Word of God to tell them so. Do we disagree with interpretation? Sure, just look at the chucklehead I respond to above. Truth is, we don’t really disagree, he is correct that a Christian must have repentance for his sins. But he puts the cart before the horse. He is Catholic, he needs to justify his theology. I understand. But in any case, at the time of salvation we undergo a new birth. We know Jesus because He becomes a part of us.
You cannot understand this, so I understand your point of view. You cannot be certain of what you do not know for fact.
I am certain of that fact.
There is only 1 truth. I hope you find Him.
Report Post »Bronco II
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 8:41pmAnd i as a christian rebuke what this pastor said how dare him take gods word and pervert it sorry that is what he is doing and i will not have people thinking i stand with what he said i do not he is using his own words not gods and that is so wrong in so many ways.
Report Post »AnotherWay
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:22amGod is love.
The most important thing we can do about what we do or say is to ask “Is this a loving?”
Report Post »7thAvatar
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 5:02pmGod does not love sin. He desires our repentance and conversion. God is always ready to forgive, IF the sinner acknowledges the sinfulness of their thoughts and actions, and IF they express a sincere desire to ask forgiveness and SIN NO MORE. Christ forgave the woman taken in the act of adultery – but told her, “Go, and ‘sin no more.”
That is God’s conditional promise to us – love and forgiveness IF we acknowledge our errant ways and determine to change our life with His help.”
The problem with the Gays is their satanically inspired “PRIDE” in their sinfulness and their attempt to pervert God’s moral code. Gays raise the objection, “But we LOVE each other,” whilst in reality what they profess is a love of self, sin and disobedience. How can anyone take pride in such filthy thoughts and behaviour? They have no sense of shame, and that will be their undoing.
Report Post »ArmyWifeNiz
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:20amWhile God is most certainly anti-gay, He is not hateful. This pastor is doing the rest of us Christians wrong by painting us as hateful bigots.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:30amGood Post, But I’d say more so, God is Anti-Sin. Any sin seperates us from God, the sins of the flesh are IMO, more because it is the ones that draws our focus and attention of God the most.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:46am@ARMYWIFENIZ
“While God is most certainly anti-gay”
OK – this is not accurate, so you need to think on this.
Gay is having a sexual attraction toward a person of one’s own sex.
– Having an attraction is not a sin.
– Whether this is a learned or born-in behavior doesn’t matter, the person is God’s child and He is certainly not anti- his creation.
Gay sex is wrong, because it is sex outside of marriage and separate from pro-creation and it denies the very nature of man and woman.
– Having a non-spousal desire is not a sin, acting on that desire or feeding that desire is a sin.
So God does not hate gays, he is not anti-gay.
God, as we understand, hates the sin of gay sex, feeding gay desires and promoting gay sex.
God hates sin, not the sinner.
Report Post »gbro
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 1:13pmInblack you said,
Report Post »Gay is having a sexual attraction toward a person of one’s own sex. – Having an attraction is not a sin. – Whether this is a learned or born-in behavior doesn’t matter, the person is God’s child and He is certainly not anti- his creation.
This is not accurate Matthew 5:28 says, but I say to you that whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has already commited adultery with her in his heart.
This is speaking of sin sending you to hell. All sin is wrong and seperates us from God.
So even having a gay nature and not acting on it is un natural and against the nature and glory of God who created us to be one man and one woman married.
Silversmith
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:19amand you know what, in a few years, they’ll die out…do you know why? They can’t reproduce!”
Wow – what a dumb comment. Does he really think that’s where gay people come from?
Don’t waste your time with this nitwit.
Silversmith
Report Post »inblack
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 12:06pmI think his point is accurate – in fact it doesn’t matter whether they are gay or not – if you lock up a room full of exclusively men or exclusively women, they will not produce a new generation.
I didn’t take his comment to mean that there will never be any more gays, but this guy is such a poor communicator and has suck poor taste, maybe he does think that.
Report Post »piper60
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:17amGod does not hat the sinner(gay person), He hates the sin itself.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:51amBut it’s the sinner that gets destroyed in the “lake of fire.“ Repent means ”Change your ways to God.” You do NOT have the right to CHOOSE what is right or wrong. You only have the right to DO what is right or wrong.
Report Post »missy8s
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:16amWhat he tried so poorly to say was that if you isolated gays and lesbians from the rest of the world they would cease to exist in short order because they cannot reproduce.
Report Post »DarthMims
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:41amI would think same sex couples could not reproduce, regardless of where they were. I’m just saying, I don’t think location is the determining factor here.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:43amSo if one to follow this below average narrow minded logic, how would they exist today? Since it is pretty clear this is not a 21st. century phenomenon. While perhaps a tough concept, regardless of their religious standing, gays do have and are entitled to the same civil rights as any other citizen. As my father would say your beliefs and civil rights end at the tip of my nose where mine begin. I don’t personally like nor support the gay lifestyle. But my likes or beliefs should have no bearing on the recognition of, or exercise of their civil rights.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:49amNo, we got what he was trying to say, but it shows his stupidity. Gays are born to straight parents.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:52amYes, but lots of Gay people have been in straight marriages and they have had children there. Also, some straight parents give birth to and raise Gay children. Since being Gay isn’t a choice and since Gays existed as long there have been people, Gays will not just fade away. They are here to stay.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:11amBeing gay isn’t a choice?
Many would beg o differ. I kind of agree with you, it is a perversion, a sickness. We all hold some kind of perversion, most often sexual. It may be as innocuous as pornography or even being addicted to sex. Is this a “choice?” Not so much…But the cure is God. When we learn that we are sinners, that our perversions are sin, and when we have the Holy Spirit in our hearts guiding us to do the right things, then our perversions and sin no longer overcome us.
I was once addicted to sex. I was a smoker, a drinker, I did light drugs. I partied and slept around. I enjoyed pornography. I did not think there was anything “wrong” with my lifestyle, I was a good person and it was just who I was.
Jesus Christ delivered me from that life of sin. I now clearly see what I was.
Choice? Yes and no…But in the end, it is the turning from God that allows perversion.
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 11:15amHe was poorly trying to give a “homosexuality is unnatural” argument. He is OBVIOUSLY a bigot, however, in that no one should be “put inside an electric fence” unless their actions actively hurt others. To THAT point, his argument holds a LITTLE water. The fact is that the more society accepts homosexuality, and the more it is taught as “normal” to our children, the more people will turn to the deviance of that lifestyle. Look at ancient Greece or Rome. As they became more accepting of it, more and more people started participating, and they eventually destroyed themselves because of thier depravity. Same is true for ALL sexual sin, which is why the apostle Paul was so adamately against sexual sin. Look at Muslim culture, do you think mass rape and child molestation is just part of being born Arabic? No, it is because for centuries sexual depravity has been accepted to a point were now, even those that would NEVER have raped someone or molested a child just do it because its engrained in the culture. Just look at unwed teen preg. over the past 60 years to see these kinds of trends. Since 1950, unwed teen preg has increased TEN FOLD…that is pretty directly linked to the “culture of promiscuity” that has been pushed on our teens by the SAME people pushing homosexuality RIGHT NOW.
No matter how you slice it, homosexuality it a destructive force in society and its dangers need to be addressed…we, as Christians just need to find more loving ways to do that
Report Post »PatrickW
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 12:16pmDESERTROSE is exactly right.
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 1:04pmDESERTROSE is never right…TROLLTRAINER hit the nail on the head. Homosexuals are no more “born that way” than drug abusers, adulterers, pathological liars, thieves, ect…We all have weaknesses and we must fight AGAINST those urges (doesn‘t even matter if you don’t believe in God, for the good of society you must repress destructive tendencies). The only way it even comes close to “genetic” is in the way that any mental illness is a “part of you”. I don’t see people telling our children that its ok to be attracted to toddlers. I don’t see them telling people its “normal” to have bipolar disorder (and 3% of the pop has it, which is strangely the same % as homosexuality…yet you call one normal and one a disorder). Let’s be serious about what this is people, and stop trying to mask it as “normal” because you are afraid of being a “bigot”
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 2:39pm@Usedczarsalesman, You’ve conflated “normal” and “born that way”. People are born bi-polar, they don’t choose it. Their brain chemistry is different from other people, that you would call normal. They learn to cope with their minds and bodies, with medication or therapy or a lot of love and support from family members. A lot of people who are drug addicts or alcoholics are drug addicts and alcoholics because they are trying to self-medicate some underlying situation, like imbalanced brain chemistry. And some people are born with “addictive” personalities. There are lots of “thrill junkies” people who are drawn to roller coasters and bungee jumping and other extreme sports because they need higher doses of adrenilin than what they have in their own bodies. They didn’t choose to be that way, either. For whatever reason, Gays are attracted to their own sex, some of the people I know, knew they were Gay before they understood what sexual attraction was.
Report Post »@Trolltrainer, When you were “getting religion” or “coming to Jesus” whatever you want to call it, did anyone ever point out that you might have just switched addictions from physically harmful to one that isn’t as harmful, Jesus? I don’t think that Gay people are nearly as harmful to society as homophobia is. Most Gay people just want to live and work in peace. Homophobes will often go to extremes to rid the world of what they fear, Gays. They often use God as an excuse.
usedCZARsalesman
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 4:28pm@ROSE…Thank you for agreeing with me! If it is the same short of “abnormality” that cause mental disorders, then it IS A MENTAL DISORDER! I agree that they can’t help feeling an attraction to the same sex. Like all destructive/abnormal behaviors, it should not be socially acceptable and/or hammered into our childrens heads as normal!
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 6:02pmIn any case, the point I was trying to make is whether gays are born that way, mentally ill, making a conscious choice, or just plain proud of their perversion is a moot…point…It does not matter.
Christians believe homosexuality is sin. The Bible is pretty clear on this. If you are not a believer then you would have no interest in following biblical principles anyway…or you do at least as far as you agree with them…
My point was once you are born again and ask the Holy Spirit to enter your heart you will become convicted that homosexuality is a sin. And through the strength of the Spirit you will be able to overcome this perversion. But you need to recognize it as sin first.
I like how you equate finding Christ and being born again as trading one habit for another. That really made me think. You are right, Christ is…at least He BETTER BE…a habit with a Christian. He is my strength, my grace, my humanity. I am a new person through Him. I am…born again…I once was blind, now I see! Praise the Lord!
I do not disagree with your conclusion. I fear way too many Christians see homosexuality as something far worse than what it is: Sin. We are all sinners. Jesus died on the cross for all of us, even homosexuals. All a homosexual has to do is repent of his sins and come to Christ…just as he is. He will be forgiven and the Holy Spirit will take care of the rest.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on May 29, 2012 at 10:14amYo Blaze? Theres someone hacking and deleting text as we try and post stuff, then a chat box pops up, Just letting you know
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