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‘God Doesn’t Exist’: Indonesian Atheist Beat, Faces Jail Over ‘Blasphemous’ Anti-Islam Post

Atheist Alexander An Arrested & Over Facebook Comments in IndonesiaPosting risqué messages on Facebook could cost you a prospective job or even negatively impact your relationships (pending, of course, on the content you’re putting on your page). But for one Indonesian man, sharing a very basic fact about his personal beliefs and defending atheism has led to an attack by an angry mob and a potential jail sentence because his comments were considered anti-Islam.

The drama unfolded when 30-year-old Alexander An posted a small tidbit of information regarding his faith — that he’s an atheist. The civil servant, based in Pulau Punjung, Indonesia, wrote, “God doesn’t exist.” This brief comment led him to enter into a debate about religion with fellow users of the social network. What commenced as an online fight led to dozens of angry locals storming into An’s office to show their disdain for his anti-religion comments. After badly beating him, the Telegraph reports that they took him to police.

In America, where freedom of religion and speech are cornerstones, his Facebook comments wouldn’t be a problem. But in Indonesia, where blasphemy is a crime that carries up to a five-year prison sentence, making such proclamations is illegal. The Telegraph has more:

Under the Indonesian criminal code blasphemy is defined as publicly expressing feelings or taking some action that spreads hatred, abuse or taints a religion in a way it would cause someone to disbelieve any of the country’s six official religions.

Atheist Alexander An Arrested & Over Facebook Comments in Indonesia

A pro-atheism Facebook page run by Alexander An

“He is suspected of having blasphemed against Islam,” local police chief Chairul Aziz told AFP in an interview. ”The man told police investigators that if God really exists and has absolute power, why didn’t he prevent bad things from happening in this world.”

Atheist Alexander An Arrested & Over Facebook Comments in Indonesia

An image supporting An that was posted on a Facebook page attributed to the atheist's name

According to his Facebook profile, An was brought up Muslim, but had a change of heart. In addition to his vocal non-belief, AFP reports that he was also an administrator on a Facebook page promoting atheism; the page had 1,361 followers as of this afternoon. His postings have apparently been removed following his detainment.

Currently, An is said to be in protective custody.

(H/T: AFP)

Comments (157)

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  • AmericanBumpkin
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:18pm

    lol he has “blasphemied against islam”…. notice it doesnt say “blasphemied against allah”

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    • Macman1138
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 12:32am

      Hey, I blaspheme against Islam all the time,,,,

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 11:10am

      Me too. Every day. Send the mob in. Just make sure the numbers are overwhelming
      because the first few layers dont stand a chance.

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    • poorrichard09
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 7:30am

      This is “free speach” islamic sharia style.

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    • ENTP
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 8:54pm

      ISLAM is a government & law. not a religion.that’s how I see it anyway.
      How to know if religion is NOT a religion that promotes peace:
      1.) you are rewarded in an afterlife for suicide bombings
      2.) your religion condones “honor killings”
      3.) you are encouraged to behead the infidel
      4.) you are considered a hero for flying a plane into buildings killing innocents
      5.) your religion teaches that a woman who has been raped has to marry her rapist or die.
      6.)your religion teaches that it’s ok to own slaves
      7.) your religion teaches its ok to lie about your religion
      Shall I continue? I can do this all night. :/

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  • CarajilloDulce
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:08pm

    Maybe these religiously deluded fundamentalists should prove that their god actually exists before they start judging people for having a contradictory opinion on the subject.

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    • Locutus
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 4:59pm

      Just THESE religiously deluded fundamentalists? All religions are the same when it comes down to the nitty gritty. Does anyone say nitty gritty anymore?

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    • snufy
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 12:44pm

      If he was referring to Allah, he is correct, as Allah is a false god. However, the Living God is real. He created all things. How can anyone look at the complexities of nature, the universe, and the very human being and say that there isn’t a real God? The First Commandment states ;”Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” The definition of a god is anything people put before Him, as money, sports, and golf. God does not always protect us from bad things. However, He is with those of us who accept Jesus as our Savior. Did He not walk in the furnace with Shadrac, Meshac and Abendigo? Was He not in the lion’s den with Daniel? Did He not raise people from the dead? If people would just read the Holy Bible, they would have their eyes opened and begin to understand how fantastically wonderful our God really is.

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  • Gravejoke
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:58pm

    Facebook: Free Alexander An! Indonesia is NOT an Islamic Country!

    Me: The muslims seem to disagree. Knuckleheads.

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  • tankyjo
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:56pm

    Ameritopia!

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  • Gravejoke
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:53pm

    Well, that’ll teach him to make claims based on belief rather than fact.

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  • 1Karen
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:40pm

    I have faith in some atheists. I screamed at God once. I wasn’t an atheist, not by a long shot. I was so angry. At the time, I though HE was the producer of the negativity in my life, teaching me lessons, so I blamed HIM. I waited to be struck down. I didn’t care anymore. Children are like that sometimes. As the anger subsided, I asked for clarity, an end to my confusion. answers. When you relax with God, your answers are there. I’m sure God knows that man well. Ever run home to Mamma? Start crying just before you got there? Bet you couldn’t tell her anything for a few minutes. When we think we are close enough to start unwrapping our pain for inspection and aid to someone who loves us, well, that’s a lot of emotion. For that man to post something like that in a country that doesn’t allow actions (posting is an action) against religions, I hold out hope he is just sucked into a cultural problem with the Muslim’s takeover, and is just shouting at God, waiting to calm down and receive his answers. Check out his sign up above. We feel it here, and they have just started. Can you imagine how he feels with the spread rate of Islam in his country? I just hope he turns to HIM instead of a computer next time. God gives us a our lifetime to get things right!

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:29pm

    one observation.

    every ‘outspoken’ (mouthy) atheist we have ever seen who was wounded, was actually screaming the loudest for Jesus and God to save him.

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    • AmericanBumpkin
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 10:31pm

      it’s the quiet ones we need to be careful with.
      cuz ya know, it’s *always* the quiet ones…..

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    • Cesium
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:20am

      The hell with me, how ’bout god get off his lazy ass and eradicate stravation, violence, genetic deformities, oh and it would be nice if limb regeneration was included. Really? salamanders get to regenerate limbs?

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    • boats48
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 11:07am

      This is to Cesium:
      ZAP! You are now a salamander! Go for it! Amphibians rule! (about 280 million years ago)

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    • AmericanBumpkin
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 11:03pm

      @cesium (retrying this response, sorry if it double-posts)
      i’m someone who believes that the constitution, in terms of legal, civil, and comon sense, should be held in the highest reguad even above any holy text for the sake of the well-being of our country. i believe you have the right to believe what you want, say what you want and live your life as you want without being persecuted or molested for doing so by others who wouldnt agree with you. i believe i have the same rights as you and that those rights protect me from you and anyone else who would dissagree with me. i believe in god, but i dont believe in worshipping a mortal man, and i think religion is evil. people on here will probably verbally persecute me for that. you dont believe in any god, and that is completely because the first ammendment right protects each of us. i dont have the right to jump down your throat about it and tell you that you have to change your beliefs to make myself feel better for “saving your soul” (because thats stupid to do). and you dont have the right to persecute me for beliving in any god i may worship. i am willing to stand up for your constitutional rights if someone tries to alienate them, but im willing to do the same for the other person too.
      now my question for everyone is, and be completely honest with yourselves….
      are you willing to stand up for someone else’s right, even if you dissagree with them personally?

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  • Winkycat
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:28pm

    Let me get this straight. Those that believe in God & all that goes with it took it into their own “pious” hands to act like a gang of thugs, break into this man’s office & beat him up, then have charges brought upon him, and they consider themselves “believers of God”?
    I may not be an Atheist for I do believe in God, & as a Christian I can state that the God the Father of the Jews or God the Son of the Christians is NOT a merciful, compassionate God. For if he is then why should the followers ask and pray for mercy & compassion?.
    If this was Rome and we were dealing with Caligula I can understand the Roman citizens pleading for mercy & compassion from a ruthless maniacal Cesare.
    I believe in God but the God that I believe is a sadistic, malicious entity that creates misery and sorrow & calls it “life”.
    If one was to looks at the world, at the entire animal kingdom including mankind, most of life are eaten or eat. When it comes to man & we add up all the generations from the time of the cave man to now it is estimated that there were about 500 Billion humans that lived & died, including the current 6.5 Billion people.
    Of that number only 1% (& that is being generous) actually lived the life of happiness, the rest of mankind barely etched a living. The US is the exception, but even the US vast wealth distribution is unique in world history & by the time it has been a very very short ride for the privileged & even here a large segment lived & continue to live in

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 6:09pm

      You trailed off there a bit after your 3rd beer

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    • jstan442
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:06am

      what kind of a Christian are you???God is merciful and loving-He sent His Son Who died willingly for my sin and yours–His Son Who felt every feeling we do–happiness,sadness,loss,tiredness,hunger, death–we live in a fallen world–once adam and eve chose the lie of satan they in fact made satan the owner of this world and all in it–Jesus shed His blood to save our souls–satan is beaten but he still maintains his hold til the end times when the antichrist will be killing millions–look to Jerusalem (israel) they are the key to history–no other country or people have been so hated or murdered century after century—Jesus will return there

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:25pm

    more evidence of the islamic indonesuian culture obama was saturated with as a child, no doubts he would like to see Americans beaten and murdered for opposing him as God in America.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:54pm

      Here’s the mindbending question: He turned against Islam because he saw it as an illegitimate set of beliefs (as I do, being a Christian), but would he have turned his back on God if raised in Christianity?

      Personally, I think it’s six of one, half a dozen of another. Both Muslims and Atheists are going the same place, whether they know it or not.

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  • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:10pm

    Huh. First, Polish singer is fined for blaspheming Catholicism, and people on The Blaze concurred with my assertion that they would be looking up the Polish law to craft a version for Congress to pass for America.

    And now, an Indonesian is arrested for being an Atheist and defending his own faith because his faith is an affront to Islam. I think I know who to talk to about looking up Indonesian laws on blasphemy. Didn’t the President of the United States grow up there?

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  • ares338
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:43pm

    In some places it doesn’t pay to vocalize your opinions or religious views….lol.

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    • mocnarf
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:39pm

      Yes, but what can be done? I would like to see an effort to flood Indonesia forums and facebook links with anti-Muslim rhetoric. Just keep piling it on. Eventually they will begin to just ignore the comments which is what they should have done in the first place.

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  • momrules
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:40pm

    And atheists think they have it so bad in America. Christians won’t kill you, Muslims will.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:00pm

      True words.

      As I reflect more on this story, I am struck by An’s bravery. Indonesia is certainly not America. Alex An is not in a country where he has the freedom to express disbelief in allah. He isn‘t free to consider all world religions and follow the one that best answers life’s question. So…..to that end, his argument for atheism from his limited perspective is certainly a better selection than Islam. His comment that “allah doesn’t exist” is, in fact, correct. Alex cites the reason he is an atheist is due to evil he sees inherent in the world. Again, this is an interesting perspective because Islam can’t actually answer the question, “why does evil exist?”. Nor can Islam defend itself against the bad things the extremists among them do.

      Alex is brave, indeed. I do pray he finds salvation and His love throughout this experience.

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:14pm

      @copatriots-

      Why can’t the man just be an atheists like he claims to be? It’s OK, you can admit you respect an atheist.

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:15pm

      an atheist*

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:24pm

      I see comprehension isn’t a skill you possess, Nick. God Bless ya, anyway.

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    • TheJeffersonian
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:47pm

      He seemed perfectly coherent to me, copatriots. You make a lot of assertions about An‘s motivations and beliefs that aren’t supported by the facts. The man is an atheist, not an aspiring Christian.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:22pm

      Wasn’t asserting anything, Jeff. Having been to that area of the world several times, I was reflecting on their culture and lack of freedom. Those are facts for which I have firsthand experience.

      An, indeed, reject Islam. Also a fact. Now…..tell me where you see he has been able to research any other world religion. Are you personally familiar with Southeast Asia, Jeff? Have you been there and know the limitations to any other religion?

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:52pm

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Indonesia

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 4:15pm

      Oh my gosh Nick……how did you survive a day without Wiki?

      Isn’t the world just a beautiful place when you can simply rely on Wikipedia? You have absolutely no idea how difficult it is for any religion to exist side-by-side with Islam.

      How about you describe for me your visits to a Christian orphanage when you were in Indonesia? I can assure you the fact that there are any Christians in Indonesia or most of Southeast Asia is more a tribute to God than having anything to do with religious freedom and tolerance in that part of the world? This very story is a perfect example.

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 4:45pm

      First, you state:

      “He isn‘t free to consider all world religions and follow the one that best answers life’s question. So…..to that end, his argument for atheism from his limited perspective is certainly a better selection than Islam.”

      Then:

      “How about you describe for me your visits to a Christian orphanage when you were in Indonesia? I can assure you the fact that there are any Christians in Indonesia or most of Southeast Asia is more a tribute to God than having anything to do with religious freedom and tolerance in that part of the world?”

      So you basically said he is an atheist because he doesn’t have access to Christianity in Indonesia. Now you are saying that Christianity does exist in Indonesia. If it exists in Indonesia, chances are that this man had access to knowledge about Christianity, but simply does not believe it. So, it seems that you just believe what you want to about this man without any facts supporting you. I‘m sorry that you don’t want to see the obvious contradictions in your statements.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 4:51pm

      You really are rather naive. When you go to SE Asia, profess to be a Christian, go to an orphanage then come back and have a discussion with me. Until then, you will live in your bubble world. Meanwhile, my posts are not all coming through……don’t know why and I have other things to do than to school you on the difficulties of Christianity in SE Asia. But, take a look at MAR1AN1′s comment on page 2. Maybe you will believe someone who was born and raised there.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 5:01pm

      I’ll leave you with this, Nick. You truly seem to be seeking answers. If you truly want to get perspective of Christianity in Asia, read a book called “Safely Home” by Randy Alcorn….. unless of course you can’t learn anything about the world from a Christian.

      Most governments in SE Asia, including Indonesia, use Christian organizations as a means of handling some of their child poverty and orphans. By no means, do they advance Christianity as an acceptable religion, as Mar1an1 clearly states on the 2nd page of these comments. However, they are happy to take any charity provided as long as it doesn’t conflict with the approved religion.

      Perhaps you should learn about the world from a better source.
      http://www.compassion.com/about/where/indonesia.htm

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 5:08pm

      The problem with your “logic” is that it would be at least as hard to be an atheist in Indonesia as it would to be a Christian. MAR1AN1′s comment on page 2 has absolutely nothing to with anything you have said here, especially your assumption that Alexander may have converted to Christianity if he had a choice. The fact is, you made up a story about how he may have become a Christian if he had a choice, seemingly to justify why you respect him.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 5:19pm

      I didn’t make up any such story. I was suggesting that people in Indonesia do not have the freedom to pursue any religion of their choice. As such, their “atheism” is understandably a rejection of Islam.

      Either you struggle with comprehension or are willfully argumentative. Either way, I must go for now. Be well and God Bless.

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 5:40pm

      @ MOMRULES – I wouldn’t be so sure of that judging by some of the “Christians’” comments to non-believers on this forum.

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 6:06pm

      What a completely meaningless back and forth. Neither of you know if he’s been exposed to Christianity and rejected it as well, so what was the point of having an argument when there is only one relevant fact, and neither of you have it?

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 6:17pm

      RIGEL_ORION-

      That’s the point I was trying to make. For some reason, Copatriot felt the need to justify his respect of an atheist by making up facts about this man. In my opinion, it is almost disgusting that Copatriot felt the need to rationalize respecting an atheist.

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  • TH30PH1LUS
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:26pm

    In America it’s the atheists who bring lawsuit after lawsuit attacking public expressions of faith, especially anything having to do with Jesus.

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    • barneyfrank
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 4:35pm

      I call them evangelizing atheist. If one gets his ass kicked, even by a Muslim, it makes my heart happy. I am tired of hearing them spout off.

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  • democritusoilder267
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:24pm

    As a Muslim I feel people should be allowed to have their own beliefs. Let God be the final judge.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:00pm

      Too bad your religion doesn’t actually teach that. Too bad there is a death penalty for leaving Islam. Given that, it is safe to say that most Muslims don’t even believe in the Koran or Muhammad, but they can’t leave or they would be killed.

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    • HeyLanny
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:00pm

      You just spoke the same words that Jesus left for all of those who follow him. It is the owner of the property that pulls up the weeds and gathers in the wheat to his own barn.

      Not the intruders who despise the owner because he is good. The owner of the property will do only when the wheat is ready for harvest.

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    • democritusoilder267
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:09pm

      I always find it funny when people who are against Islam feel like they know more about your own faith then you do. Trust me no one is killed or tortured. I have friends who Muslim and non-Muslim; as well the mosque I attend services allows non-Muslims to visit and ask questions regarding Islam.

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:57pm

      Well we don’t find it funny when Muslims lie about what Islam is, or are ignorant of it as may be the case with you. What you, one person, likely in the West, thinks or doesn’t think about Islam DOES NOT CHANGE THE KORAN, THE HADITH, THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD, OR THE 1400 YEAR HISTORY OF EVIL DONE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. Please refer daily to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com to get a better grasp of what Islam is outside of the narrow confines of your own little life.

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    • democritusoilder267
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 4:14pm

      I can say the same about the Christian faith and all other religions.
      http://www.evilbible.com/
      http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm
      http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html
      Using your logic everything is bad and evil.

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    • barneyfrank
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 4:39pm

      Interestingly enough, in a recent article on the net attacking Santorum for being a member of Opus Dei it was a Muslim who chimed in in the discussion to assert the divinity of Christ and the virgin birth. Everyone else was either too weak to express an opinion or were calling Christians ignorant followers of an invisible friend in the sky. But I know the media says we are supposed to hate muslims so I guess we must then. Baaaaaa

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 5:19pm

      posted two more responses but the censor is blocking them even through there are no foul words or personal attacks, there must be a muslim working as blaze censor

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 6:21pm

      Correct me if I’m wrong here. But as they spread the word of Islam across North Africa and the Middle East, wasn‘t the de facto theme of Mohommed’s followers “Convert or Die” ?

      I recognize the region in general has a ‘colorful’ history when it comes to conflict. However, I’m relatively certain that the Word of Islam was most commonly delivered at the end of a sword

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    • AB5r
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 9:20pm

      RIGEL_ORION, the real shame is that based upon how history has been taught, you, like many others, do understand the history of Islam to be “colorful” with regard to war. While you are correct it was spread at the tip of a sword, the true scope is such that your description is essentially spitting on the graves of the millions upon millions of people whose peoples, countries, religions, temples, ancestors, were invaded and ruthlessly destroyed by the evil Muslim invaders. We wouldn‘t dare call the Nazi’s “colorful” yet that is what we do when we dismiss the true tragic scope of evil destruction that is Islam. 80 million in India alone died as Hindus to the sword of Islam. Similar destruction, though less numbers, occurred in all of the countries surrounding the middle east where Christianity had flourished in the seven centuries after Christ and before Islam invaded. The same reaction one gets when one considers the Nazis, the swastika, Hitler, is what the person who knows the history of Islam should get when they consider, Islam, the Koran and Muhammad. Muhammad accomplished in Arabia what Hitler failed to accomplish in Germany. But it is just colorful, red maybe, the color of blood.

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  • bpodlesnik
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:23pm

    If atheists think christians are a problem to them, I would like to see one of them walk up to a radical islamist, and say there is no god and see if he doesn’t put a bullet in your head when you turn around.

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:42pm

      Your comment is so logically flawed. Just because a radical Muslim would be worse to go to than a moderate Christian does not mean that there aren’t radical Christians that would do the same. Do you not realize that most atheists have a problem with any religion trying to legislate its faith? The reason it seems like atheists are against Christians is because Christians are generally the ones legislating their faith for others to follow in the United States.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:23pm

      Nick, you deceive yourself. You cannot ignore, although you will try, this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Christianity is already in our roots, history, culture and blood. Christians are certainly not trying to “legislate” our faith. However, atheists want to deny all good that resulted from our founder’s faith and legislate a separation from it. That, my friend, is where we differ.

      Christians do not want to kill atheists for disbelief. That is between you and God. However, you again deceive yourself if you don’t believe Muslims will indeed kill you for your atheism once they gain control of whatever country they are in. If you are young, mark these words as you age. In all likelihood, you will get to witness firsthand the spread of Islam and Shariah law over many countries and the atrocities that will be committed.

      There do not exist, nor will there exist, a sufficiently large population of atheists able to defend your position to eliminate Christianity from our foundation and thus separate church and state (which I know is your utopia). You will be outnumbered by Muslims in this country before you will ever get that many disbelievers of any god.

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    • TheJeffersonian
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:50pm

      From the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously by the US Senate and signed by President John Adams, a Founding Father, in 1797: “the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:01pm

      And Nick, try really hard to expand your thinking here. The more you remove Judeo-Christian principles from every facet from this country the more foundational breakdown will occur inviting a continuance of all things evil being advanced.

      I wonder if you will be as “devout” in your atheism as Alex An and suffer similar beatings.

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  • COFemale
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:21pm

    Coming soon to an American city near you. Listen up all you atheist, if Sharia law becomes law in the U.S. you just might be facing the same outcome should Islam prevail.

    Gee, who would thunk it from the “religion of peace”.

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    • DoseofReality
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:51pm

      Atheists will be the first one to act against any Sharia law – we dont feel any religion should have its place in government….that goes for Chrsitianity and Islam. What atheists that you know of support sharia law?

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:07pm

      @Dose
      Then why do atheists try to limit where others can practice their religion? Atheism, like any religion, is based on a belief that cannot be proved or disproved. By limiting people’s ability to speak of G-d, refer to G-d, and pray to G-d, you are enforcing your beliefs on them.

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    • holy ghostbuster
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 5:45pm

      TZION – God knows you’re spelling his name. G-d

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 9:53am

      And, TZion, . . . Atheist cannot be a religion [even based upon your definition]. Atheist is simply . . . finding the evidences of theists to be non-credible. Without proper evidence, truth is arbitrary.

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  • ConservativeCharlie
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:14pm

    But it is after all Christians that homosexuals and athiest are at war with, because we are the dangerous ones.

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    • taxed
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:23pm

      Just think if he was a female who was just raped… He would be in REAL trouble!!

      http://conservativepoliticalforum.com

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:31pm

      Yes, in America, Christians are the ones that are trying to legislate their views for all citizens to follow. We would have a problem if any religion did it, just as this man had a problem with his government supporting Islam. As far as homosexuals, do you really expect them to not be “at war” with Christianity? If there is a war, it was started by Christians pushing their lifestyle on people who don’t share their belief.

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:35pm

      TAXED,
      What makes you think that was not a part of ‘being brutally beaten’ ?

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 8:08pm

      First @STOIC…Ouch. It does bring my mind to an interesting quirk regarding Middle Eastern/Islamic culture. If you’re gay, you’re dead. Little Boy Pedophilia is A-OK though. My Bro-in-law is a contractor out there and he says its not uncommon to see a man’s robes open up and a kid magically appears.

      Anyway, my post was actually @Nick

      All legislation is based on some viewpoint. Why should one with a foundation in Christianity be automatically disqualified and/or challenged? It is possible for Secular ideas to work equally well for non-Secular and vice-versa. The Bible, Koran, etc., do have a few gems. Thou shalt not kill comes to mind.

      My point is I think an ideas source should be irrelevant. However,IMHO, the Freedom from Religion effort has begun to stray into areas resembling suppression much more than separation. Items and symbols with fleeting connections at best to Christianity have begun to attract lawsuit threats. Just over a month ago a pagan symbol was attacked simply because it piggybacks a Christian holiday.

      I fear that if taken to its conclusion, the current path will end in a bloody crusade if an economic crash ever occurs. Christians stopped killing over religion right about the same time they managed to get two coins to rub together. Give them nothing to lose and someone to blame for causing the country‘s corruption and it won’t be pleasant.

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    • Blue Istari
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 1:28am

      @Rigel_Orion

      “Christians stopped killing over religion right about the same time they managed to get two coins to rub together.”

      In a way, you are correct: Christians stopped killing over religion once the church ceased being a branch of the government, and the people had the opportunity to actually read the Bible. Spreading the Word by the sword is decidedly contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

      “Give them nothing to lose and someone to blame for causing the country‘s corruption and it won’t be pleasant.”

      Except this is a human trait, not one limited to Christians (or the theistic in general). But, if we’re going to take a broad brush and make claims about what an entire group (tying peoples‘ associations with said group by label rather than adherence to their community’s/faith’s values) would do as a result of a collapse, I’d say atheists would be the ones to cause the majority of bloodshed, as they have no objective moral standard that they must adhere to and rebuild community around when secular government fails.

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  • FaithfulFriend
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:12pm

    Typo Alert: 1st paragraph, last sentence – “because he comments were considered anti-Islam”

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    • COFemale
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:32pm

      You know you can email the writer of the article and send a notice privately. Posting so on the website is not necessary. We don’t take kindly to the “typo police”.

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    • TheJeffersonian
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:52pm

      The title of the article itself contains a grammatical error. It should be “beaten”, not “beat”.

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  • Falconer
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:12pm

    Nothing to see here folks, move along. We all know Islam is a religion of pieces er um I mean peace.

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  • PATRIOTMAMA
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:11pm

    All you Atheists out there, well for that matter, gays, women and anyone who would question and/or disagree with Islamic leaders under Sharia Law; Beware it won’t be just Christians that they will go after, you’re freedoms will be taken away as well, not just ours. Remember that when you fight to get the law in Oklahoma struck down that prevented Sharia Law. Just remember that when you condemn us as racist and religious zealots for wanting this evil cult to be at least restrained. You won‘t even be able to say that you don’t believe in anything not just that you don’t believe in the Christian bible. They‘ll come for you just as they’ll come for us. But we won‘t be there to defend you that’ll be the only difference. Human rights won’t have any meaning to anyone supporting Sharia Law. NONE!!! Be careful who you make your friends.

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:13pm

      yep..when they came for the trade unions , i did not speak , when they came for the jews , i did not speak , when they came for me ………….there was no one else to speak…………

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    • momrules
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:46pm

      Many are waking up but there are still too many that think if we are nice to the Muslims they will be nice in return. Foolish, foolish people.

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    • BurntHills
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:37pm

      just wait if obama gets placed back in the WH, it will not be a month before he declares he must follow his ‘true’ faith and declares himself a true muslim since childhood. and never put it past him to begin to visually classify America further. it will not be just the color of our skin, for obama cannot tell a mindless obamademocrat white from a pro-America republican white. but obama will bring out the yellow stars for Jews, and he will need to ID every class he deems as opposing him, such as conserrvatives, independent media, former combat vets, so he can send his “private army’ to our doorsteps.
      the released convicts and illegal criminals and union degenerates and gays and muslims will be safe in obama’s Obama-rica or United Sorosland as long as he has a use for them.
      ,

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 9:48am

      Who the hell would vote FOR Sharia “law”??? I can think of not atheist who would want a religious caliphate in America. Where are you getting your information from? If ANYONE is standing up for Sharia “law”, they are my enemy as well and I will fight against them with anyone else who is against such primative bronze age thinking.

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  • Harry Assenback
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:10pm

    Good thing Obama got out in time……..maybe.

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  • copatriots
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:07pm

    Well……that’s one way to deal with atheists. KIDDING!

    But, come on Billy, please correct the title of the false god here. Muslims and Christians do not have the same GOD! The deity An was actually denouncing was “allah”.

    That said, I pray for An’s salvation and he finds the true and living God through this experience.

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  • Baddoggy
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:04pm

    To say God does not exist is saying that you know EVERYTHING there is to know in the Universe. Because you would indeed have to know everything to make that statement… Instead you should say, there is no God as far as I can tell. That way I can know you are sincere as I call you a blooming idiot…

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:18pm

      Isn’t the inverse true too then? I couldn‘t tell you how many times I have seen Christians state that there IS a god and that people who don’t believe in their specific god would suffer for all eternity.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:28pm

      @NICK84 if you just look at the world around you, you would could discern that there is someone greater than you; after all you did not create the universe, the winds, the snow, the rain, the land, the animals, the plants, new species, and all the other things we Christians attribute to GOD.

      It is an arrogant man who says, there is no one greater than me.

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:54pm

      @COFemale-

      Why does it have to be SOMEONE that always existed. All the matter in the universe could have always existed. Someone who created the universe out of nothing would have to be so much more complex than the matter contained in the universe. Furthermore, Christians don’t claim that their god simply created the universe, they claim that he communicates with them and they know his desires.

      If there was a creator of some kind, what logical basis would you have for picking Christianity over any other religion? Unless you claim that Christians somehow “know EVERYTHING there is to know in the Universe.”

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    • ModerationIsBest
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:59pm

      @Cofe

      You are arguing from a point of ignorance.

      Saying “look around, there has to be a creator” isn’t proof for your cause.

      When you see a magic trick, do you assume you are in fact seeing magic, or that you‘re under a misapprehension and don’t understand how the trick was performed?

      What if when you asked the magician to explain how he does it, he said, “well there is nothing to explain, it’s magic.” would you accept that answer?

      Long ago there were tons of “phenomenon” that were attributed to God, we thought the earth was flat and that we were the center of the universe. How different would our world be if we didn’t keep questioning EVERYTHING and growing from those questions.

      I”m an atheist, but I don‘t claim to know for a fact there isn’t a God. I haven‘t seen evidence of a God and don’t think there is one, but I don’t go around claiming it as fact.

      I do laugh at when believers say they know for a fact God exists and that they have the correct God. If you have fact, you don’t need faith which is the whole point of any “belief.”

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:11pm

      Atheism is a religion because in order to believe that G-d doesn’t exist you must take a leap of faith. No one can speak of G-d’s existence as fact, we can only say what we believe and perceive to be the truth.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:14pm

      Hey MOD

      Just read Cofemale’s post, and I just could not find any reference to him trying to pass legislation that would force his beliefs on you by creating a “Theocracy”.

      Your agenda is showing again. And it’s not pretty.

      Give me a break

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:18pm

      And MOD,

      I would say that it is you taht are arguing from a point of ignorance.

      But I understand.

      The ignorant are seldom aware of their ignorance.

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    • Just_Us
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 4:44pm

      If I am walking along the beach and I find glass platter with caviar and crackers, the atheist says that over billions of years the platter was formed and it’s all by chance that the caviar and crackers are perfectly stacked and aligned on the plate. The Christian says, someone must have crafted the platter and made snacks and left it there.

      When you calculate the odds of the smallest life form being created by chance, the odds are astronomical regardless of how many billions of years allotted to the process. The fact that life cannot be duplicated when the task is purposely pursued should tell you something about the odds. When you factor in a complex animal like a cow or pig, the odds go up exponentially. To calculate to odds of a human being, randomly evolving over billions of years approaches zero.

      But humans have not been on the planet for billions of years according to scientists. Its more like 2.2 million years. If you compared the age of the earth to a 24 hour day, life sprung up in the last two minutes of the day. Not just some life….ALL life.

      Looking at this evidence personally, I am more likely to believe the glass platter full of goodies was prepared by design and not by random chance. I simply do not have enough, “faith” to believe in the random chance of this occurrence, let alone a universe that is infinity more complex.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 10:26am

      @Just_Us, . . . you SHOULDN’T have “faith” in that phylosophy you posted above. But that isn’t the theory of evolution. Study what it is OUTSIDE of apologetic webpages.

      Just so you know, . . . arguments associated with “The Way Of The Master” have been pretty much laughed out of any credibility for several years now. They only reach ignorant arguments.

      *disclaimer* I’m not calling people “completely ignorant”. Just ignorant about that topic. I am ignorant about quantum string theory. Fortunately, ignorance yields [every time] to learning.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 12:10pm

      @DEAVONREYE

      That depends [completely] on what one chooses to learn, and “who” is doing the teaching.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 10:34am

      True. If one is only exposed to pseudo-scientific nonsense all their life, they will harbor misinformation and even strongly debate against actual science in favor of fairytales and faulty “evidences”.

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    • Just_Us
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 3:53pm

      @ DeavonReye – Your inability to discuss my premise with an intelligent argument fails to persuade me or any readers. You can run around telling everyone that it’s dark during the day time, but when you look up and stare at the sun, you still go blind.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 9:44am

      @Just_Us In turn, you can claim that YOUR ignorance is “the gospel truth” because you say it is. However, your ignorant and uninformed arguments have been answered fully by actual mainstream science. “Way Of The Master” arguments are ridiculous on many levels. The only “inability” I would have is in allowing your ineffective argument any merit. It is in your best interest to find materials away from apologetic sites. They usually get laughed at by the mainstream. And NO, not because the mainstream wants to “lie to themselves that there isn‘t a god so they don’t have to be accountable”. FACTS have no belief structure.

      It is possible for god to not exist. It is impossible for truth not to exist.

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  • oldguy49
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:03pm

    ah…….the religon of peace

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  • ilovethiscountry
    Posted on January 20, 2012 at 1:02pm

    God believes in him.

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    • Nick84
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 2:23pm

      Zeus believes in you.

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    • Rayblue
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:03pm

      Nicky puts his ear to Uranus. And listens. And his wisdom flows like a river.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 3:04pm

      @Nick84

      Zeus didn’t send emissaries among humans to tell Man when, where, and to whom His Son would be born, what He would do in His life, and how He would die and be resurrected… all 700 years or more before it actually happened.

      More than 330 prophesies came true in Christ.

      Let me ask you a question: If a guy hits the Megaball lottery once, he’s lucky. Right? Twice, he’s really lucky. If he hits it 10 times, do you ask him what the numbers are on Saturday night?

      Do you think maybe you should read a book that hits similarly long odds 330 times, and believe the message of He who wrote it?

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on January 20, 2012 at 9:20pm

      To say the “god of islam” does not exsist is a true statement.

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    • DeavonReye
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 10:16am

      @leftfighter. . . These “prophesies” only “came true” by the use of various types of erroneous measures. Misinterpretations, misunderstandings, fabrications, cherry picking, and even some “prophecies” that never even show in previous biblical texts [ex. Matthew]. Apologists love to bring up the “fulfilled prophecies” in churches because they know that the vaste majority of laypersons are going to take his word for it and not investigate the claims themselves.

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