‘God Hates Everything’: Westboro Baptist Church Pickets Against the Rev. Billy Graham
- Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:31pm by
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The Rev. Billy Graham (AP Photo/Henny Ray Abrams)
Westboro Baptist Church, the extremist group that is known for picketing military funerals and other related events, has a new target: the Rev. Billy Graham. The anti-gay hate group went after the famed minister on Tuesday, waving signs, playing music and making statements accusing the faith leader of putting profits before preaching the gospel.
(Related: Nine Year Old Counter-Protester Takes on Westboro Baptist Church)
About a dozen of the protesters assembled outside of the Billy Graham Training Center in Swannanoa, North Carolina, going on to continue their protest later in Montreat. The troop was accompanied by 20 counter-protesters from the Asheville area, who assembled to rail against the group’s message.
The Citizen-Times has more about the elements of anti-Graham sentiment that was present among the Westboro protesters:
“Billy Graham is one of the most influential men in the world, but he has not used his bully pulpit to preach the Gospel,” said Westboro member Paulette Phelps, daughter-in-law of the church’s pastor, Fred Phelps.
She said Graham was more interested in power and money than in the word of God. “He has preached the feel-good Gospel and not the true Gospel,” she said.
“The true Gospel says if you don’t obey, you’re going to perish. There are consequences for not obeying. Homosexuality is all bad, all day. You can’t get around that.”
Counter-protesters railing against Westboro Baptist at the event
The protesters apparently contended that Graham, 93, will go to Hell when he dies and that he will join his wife, Ruth, there as well. Ruth passed away back in 2007.
Watch the bizarre video footage from the event, which oddly includes Lady Gaga music playing in the background:
Among the counter-protesters was Tuesday Feral, a self-described gay Christian, who told reporters that Westboro distorts the Bible.
“They’re presenting a very inaccurate picture of what Christianity is,” she said. “Their message is, ‘God hates this, and God hates that. God hates everything.’”
Recently, Graham came out in support of North Carolina’s Amendment 1, a move that surprised many, as the faith leader typically stays out of policy debate. He is the extremist group’s latest victim.
(H/T: Get Religion)
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Comments (205)
paperpushermj
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:22pmGod hates Sin and -Now pay attention Westboro People because this applies to you…. God hates those who take His Name in Vain.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:31amthose at Westboro that are registered, are registered as democrats
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:39amInteresting that they claim to know the eternal destination of Rev. Graham’s wife, and Rev. Graham’s destination also.
I guess Westboro believes they supercede Jesus’ redemption act and resurrection. How did we ever get along without them?
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:41amNot to mention… “judge ye not, lest ye be judged”.. which we are guilty of in one form or another… but these people take it to a level of Satanic proportions! I feel sorry for them.. they have missed Christ message totally! Lord help us!
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 2:01amThey can not hurt the Rev. Billy Graham or his son or daughters. They can’t begin to understand who this Godly man or is family is or live the Godly life he and his late wife lived, the hundreds of thousands of people all over the world he has helped, his son Franklin and his daughter Anne are helping. This is the perfect example of EVIL trying to overturn GOOD. Those silly, foolish, horrible people. Their PRIDE is their greatest sin. I know we’re supposed to pray for people (Westboro) like this, …. I will, as soon as I can stop throwing up.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 5:55amI think GOD put a Crazy Gene in Humans… and it functions best in Crowds & Mobs!
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 6:54amThey must be confusing God with the devil – and apparently he lives inside these people as they are the most hateful people who claim to be Christians. Perhaps they are funded by Spooky Dude to give Christianity a bad name – very sick people.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 7:38amrangerp
How do you know that they are registered Democrats? I know that old man Phelps was a registered Democrat & ran for office as a Democrat. Can you look up people’s party affiliation?
I would look up their affiliation for no other reason than liberal pundits, trolls & others will say they are conservative.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 9:05am“Westboro Baptist Church, the extremist group that is known for picketing military funerals and other related events” Nice try just referring to them as an extremist group. As they are a CHRISTIAN CHURCH first and foremost.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 9:09amBilly Graham believed that all good people would go to heaven..regardless of their belief in Jesus/Yeshua..Billy Graham brought a lot of people to salvation..but he also deluded ones who thought that because they were good would be saved..George W Bush believed that there was a Jesus and thought that the Bible was as a music group once stated..just a pack of lies..
Report Post »contkmi
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:15pmNice try, Rook. No Christian claims them. They are the least Christian group I’ve ever seen. And that includes BPP and such.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 1:38pmRangerPoe,
Nobody asked me sir, but there is no way you are a Major or Lt Colonel in the United States Army.
You are possibly a reservist but more likely a long-ago discharged, overweight, divorced Canada goose hunting troll causing mischief with impressionable readers and disgracing our proud uniformed service members.
And it may be even more sinister that that. It may be intentional.
TEA – it’s about Taxes.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 4:04pmThis got me to thinking about something, is ‘surrogacy’ (a woman carrying another woman’s baby for her) a sin? In other words when a woman can‘t give birth herself so they take her embryo and implant it in another woman’s uterus and that woman carries and gives birth to the baby and then gives the baby back to the mother? Very curious what the thinking on this is among Christians.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 4:10pmDoes “judge not lest ye be judged” also apply to oneself? In other words judging yourself righteous before God as the Pharisee did in Luke 18:10-14?
Luke 18:10-14 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed abouta himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’14“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. P.S. BLACK9897 “Justified” means “Saved” God Bless.
Report Post »BuzzardSays
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 6:00pmWestboro Babbler-tist…
Report Post »These folks resemble the smallg-god they worship. They have created a god of hatefulness and amble along blithely following vain imaginings that they are doing a work for god. I wish they’d shut up and keep their sleaze off of my savior, Jesus. But for them Americia is the land of the skeeze and the home of the crazed they are soon to inherit…post rapture. For them it will be…see…see…we told you god killed everyone who don’t look and sound like me. Freak-show!
rangerp
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 9:26pmMONCINE,
Well you need to call DFAS then, because this LTC pay is pretty good. Sorry it took so long to reply. I am on TDY orders now, and working some pretty long hours.
Ranger Pete
Report Post »drbage
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:43pmNothing but a group of Obamas with a religious bent.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 12:25ammuch to do about nothing/god
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 2:45amwestboruoh reminds me of some of the evengelical posters on the blaze.
Report Post »orangevalesweetpea
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 9:55pmWhen I read this story, I felt like I had been punched in the chest. The magnitude of the stupidity and ignorance of these people in the WBC can only be surpassed by the amount of hatred they spew.We will ALL have to “Stand before the Judgement seat of Christ and give an account for whatever he has done in the body, whether good or bad”. I know I have some serious explaining to do when it is my turn, but I have never been so evil toward another as these people are. And what, I think, is most shocking to me is how simple and easy it is for them to vomit out their hate. I am so surprised someone hasnt talked to a gang about “dealing” with the whole tribe of inbred hatemongers at WBC. Let me tell you…They wouldnt DARE come to ANYthing where I live. People up here have been known to disappear. The Reverend Graham WILL walk through the gates of Heaven, with his head held high, and into the arms of my Lord Jesus Christ. We are supposed to pray for people like WBC, but, for some reason I cannot even force myself to ask God to forgive them for their hate. I have never known a supposed religious organization like WBC to blatantly break all 10 commandments, and still claim to be christian. Boggles the mind. All I can say about them is:Westorough Baptist Church, stay OUT of Rail Road Flat, Calif. Here, we LOVE the Lord God. God Bless my brothers and sisters in Christ. May we all go humbly to the Lord and beg forgiveness of our sins
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on June 19, 2012 at 5:22pmThese lunatics are one step away from putting TnT in their pockets!!! These people have nothing to do with my Christ Jesus. They worship the Evil One and will reap what they have sown. God have mercy on them, for they know not what they do.
Report Post »freedom_gurl35
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:16pmLike I posted on WLOS’s Facebook page when they were all over this story (they’re the local TV station for the Asheville area), Westboro has the right to peaceful demonstration, even though most of us loathe their message. I defend their right to protest – even though I pity them for being such misguided, evil people.
If the media would stop paying attention to these idiots, they might stop picketing. Makes me wonder if they’re in it more for the attention than their message.
Report Post »shimauma
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:59pmThey only protest people who won’t fight back. They need to go protest some “pride” parade in San Fransicko but I bet they are afraid of getting molested and raped and possibly sued. No balls, those westboro people…
Report Post »delawarebill
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:26amI have had personal experience with these yahoos… What they do is picket high profile events, and attempt to provoke people into a reaction. They love when people hit them or throw things at them, because then they file suit against the city, the police department, and the person who “assaulted” them. They tour the country hoping to get the next payday.
Don’t forget, this whole family is made up of attorneys, they know exactly how far they can go and always stop short of doing anything that will cause them to lose their lawsuit.
Don’t fall for it!
Report Post »Goldline_scam
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 4:48pmWho really knows what the imaginary Sky Fairy hates or doesn’t hate??
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 9:38pmThey are in it for the MONEY. This Paula Phelps makes a living for the family suing those who oppose or defame the inbred clan of Fred Phelps (big Al Gore donor). My first exposure to these hatemongers was on my college campus in the early 1980s. 20 years later I was stunned to see them picketing the Methodist Church in Topeka I was attending for my godson’s baptism.
Everyone can serve as an example. These folks serve as a very bad example. I cannot think of a pastor who has done more to bring people in this country to Christ, generation after genderation, than the Rev. Billy Graham.
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 2:52amgraham supports gay marraiage? it does sound like he SOLD OUT!!
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:08pmWhen Billy Graham walks humbly through the gates of heaven he will hear the voice of God: (Matthew25:23)
Report Post »“His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ ….And the faithful will weep for their loss, but rejoice for Rev. Graham’s eternal salvation.
paperpushermj
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:26pmAmen
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 4:29pmDONTBOTHERME – Jesus went on to say (Matt 25:40-46) “The King will reply,‘I tell you the truth, whatever you DID for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you DID for me.’“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you GAVE me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you GAVE me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you DID NOT INVITE ME IN, I needed clothes and you DID NOT CLOTHE ME, I was sick and in prison and you DID NOT LOOK AFTER ME.’“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not DO for one of the least of these, you did not DO for me.’“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” This is SURELY a metaphor. What Jesus is CLEARLY saying is even if we DO all of those things He is still going to send us to eternal punishment because we can ONLY be saved by Faith Alone, this is clearly what Jesus meant ……not, Jesus meant exactly what He said. No mention of being saved by faith alone. The King judged them according to what they had not done. They all knew that the King existed, they had seen him and had no doubt that the King was real, that wasn’t the issue, the issue was they didn’t DO what the King expected them to do those who
Report Post »PurrrpleMtnMajesty
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:06pmThis is an extremely poorly written article. I can’t even tell what *specifically* Billy did that they are protesting
Report Post »freedom_gurl35
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:18pmThe Citizen-Times is a very left-leaning newspaper. Most of their articles are poorly written and colored with liberal bias.
Report Post »Pacman116
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 6:18amI agree. I believe they should have explained what Amendment 1 actually states. I would have to be informed on exactly what that is before I could have an opinion. It seems this paper didn’t want to expand on that for some reason.
Report Post »Xyskalla
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:58amYes, the article was poorly written, but it isn’t hard to find out what Amendment 1 is. It’s a state constitutional amendment saying that marriage between one man and one woman is the only kind of marriage that North Carolina will recognize. Which really has me confused, because I would have thought that Westboro would be in support of banning gay marriage, since they’re so vocal about hating gays.
Then again, I’ve never believed these people were legit. They are phonies trying to make Christianity
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 2:57amfor all you catholic bashers out there, the catholic church DOES NOT support same sex marraige, yet billy graham does, WISE UP!!
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:47pmI thought this group would show their support for Rick Santorum during the primary.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:34pm@Individualism
“I thought this group would show their support for Rick Santorum during the primary.”
They dropped RS for RP and plan to RSVP in the positive for RP in Tampa.
Will you be joining them?
Report Post »john koenig
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 1:49am@individualism….Support a Catholic? The Westboro crew would rather go to Hell.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 6:17am@john koenig, I believe they’re already well on their way there……
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 3:00am@BIOHAZZARD- i thought GOD was the judge of that, but since your an evengelical i guess you supplanted God…..
Report Post »hamradio
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:44pmHomosexuality is a sin. It violates God’s design: one man with one woman for a lifetime. Anything outside of that is disobedience.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:15pm@HAMRADIO
And Jesus died to wash away our sins.
I am against same-sex marriage, but God loves all of his children. We are to show our love for Him by loving his children.
I do not judge others, that is His job.
Report Post »Tractorboy
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:16pmAs with all Gods sins, it is disobedient, so is the hate westboro spews forth, wonder what bible they are reading? Mine says love God first, love thy neighbor second, and for the most part the rest is redundant, if you can do those 2 things, life would be very peaceful.
Report Post »BlesstheJews
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 6:38am@Brother Ed, we are ALL not God’s chilren. We are all God’s creation. You becme a child of God WHEN you accept Jesus. (John 1:9-13)
There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Report Post »SexyHeathen
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 10:17amGod made people who have strong gay inclinations, made gay sex pleasurable, and then decided to make biblical laws that prohibit it. I think more people ought to consider biblical disobedience as an acceptable alternative lifestyle.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 10:42am@BLESSTHEJEWS
True, however, I believe that we are all ‘spiritual children’ of God – He is the Father of our spirits. We also have an earthly father – the father of our bodies. By coming unto Jesus and being ‘reborn’ we become joint heirs with Him. (Rom 4;13)
He invites all men to repent, be baptized and come unto Him. By being ‘reborn’ we become in a sense the children of Christ.
Unless you believe that He only cares about a few people and doesn’t care about Eskimos or Zulus who never heard of Him, we are on the same page.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:08am@SEXYHEATHEN
“God made people who have strong gay inclinations, made gay sex pleasurable, and then decided to make biblical laws that prohibit it. I think more people ought to consider biblical disobedience as an acceptable alternative lifestyle.”
Did you learn that in Theology 101?
Report Post »SexyHeathen
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:49am@Brother_Ed
If you must know, I did take theology 101. The interesting think about theology 101 is that it differs so widely depending on who teaches it. Really it’s kind of like an art class.
But no, I made a joke. Most biblical literalists actually think homosexuallity is a result of the fall of man and a result of Satan‘s influence on people’s lives. Consequently they must believe that Satan is really the one who makes gay sex pleasurable. Another point of interest is that Satan killed less people than God in the bible. That’s two points in favor of Satan worship I guess. Perhaps biblical literalists should consider Satan worship as an acceptable alternative lifestyle. That was another joke btw.
I’m curious if you are this guy or not http://brojed.org/
Report Post »Clive
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:52amwell said brother ed.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:30pmYo Brother Ed:
You say “I believe” and then make the statement …“we are all spiritual children of God”
In all due respect who cares what you think/believe … it is what scripture plainly say’s
and it plainly say’s that we are ALL born spiritualy dead/ seperated to God .. hence the reason for the term “born again.” We are born again in spirit not flesh. which dies (Nicodemus in John)
We are to fear God and not men because He is the determiner of our souls…(scripture)
Also… God opposes the proud , again, He is far from the proud. (scripture)
Report Post »I certainly do not in ANY way agree with the manner this people go about what they do, as we are called to love our enemy.
brother_ed
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 3:06pm@SEXYHEATHEN
No, I am not the same guy as the link.
I am a ‘bible literalist’ if by that is meant that I believe that sin entered the world through the fall of Adam. Our bodies are made with weaknesses that we may humble ourselves. There is PLEASURE in many things that contradict God’s word, but JOY can only be found in obedience to these commandments. Pleasure is fleeting, Joy is eternal.
I believe that theology is an interesting study, but if taught with the premise that ‘they are all the same, ergo they are all right (or wrong), it is dangerous.
I believe that the Gospel was preached to Adam. He taught it to his children. Some listened, some didn’t. As his family spread across the face of the Earth, some teachings were carried with them. These teachings eventually became watered down and the philosophies of men crept in. Thus we stories with similarities throughout many different cultures.
As far as God vs Satan in the killing dept, that is an interesting question to wrestle with. Did God kill them, or did He allow them to be killed?
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 3:20pm@4TRUTH2ALL
I see no problem with saying “I believe” and then following with a declaration of what I believe. What SHOULD follow?
As far as the scriptures ‘clearly’ saying anything, why do so many people believe in the Trinity, when the in Acts it clearly states: “…I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Isn‘t that ’clearly’ 2 different people. Maybe the bible isn‘t always as ’clear’ as you think. I say “I believe” because I recognize that others may have a different interpretation than I do.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 4:06pmYo Brother Ed :
Nice try (not really)… I was not talking about the trinity .. I was talking about something that is very clearly and simply stated in scripture which you incorrectly mentioned … do you have to say “I believe” 1+1=2 ? … NO
Report Post »Maybe “my understanding” would be the better choice of words
“as iron sharpen iron so one man sharpens another” …. that‘s all I’m doing
Interesting, you never corrected your “belief ” when scripture was provided (see Ephesians 2), but you argue back.
Scripture is not based on “personal beliefs’ it is based on truth to believe.
Are you a Mormon, because your responce sounds like that of a Morman? (not judging)
brother_ed
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 5:15pm@4TRUTH2ALL
I am a Latter Day Saint.
I think we may be arguing semantics here. Perhaps it would have been better if I had just said, “We are all spirit children of God”, but that usually leads to a “No, we’re not” – “Yes, we are” argument. I find it avoids contention if I say “I believe…”, because people can’t argue with that and usually let it rest.
We may have slightly different opinions as to exactly how it all happens and for what purpose, but we are on the same path.
1) We are spiritually separated from God because of the Fall of Adam.
2) We must be born again (Jhn 3).
3) This rebirth is spiritual (Various)
4) We must follow the commandments of God, one of which is to love our enemies (Jhn 14).
5) Jesus Christ is the only name by which we are saved. He is the way, the truth and the life (Jhn 14).
6) We are only saved through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ (Eph 2).
Sorry for any confusion. I hope this clarifies things a little.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 7:25pmTo Brother Ed:
The verses look good … now if you just stuck to that, it be good.
Report Post »( I’m not getting into it further here) …thanks for the get back.
brother_ed
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 10:01pm@4TRUTH2ALL
Thanks.
We may never agree on all things, but we can agree on some things – let’s stick to the things we have in common!
Have a great night.
Report Post »Postolic
Posted on June 17, 2012 at 8:07amSEXYHEATHEN… You actually believe that because gay sex is pleasurable, there for it is justified. So, if it feels good do it? Well if that’s the case, then why condemn anything? Why condemn these guys caught on Dateline trying to have sex with a 15 year old? Why are we trying Jerry Sandusky? Obviously, he was only doing what felt good. Hey, if a couple wants to have sex while attending a Cirque du Sole show, why fire them? I’m sure he was having fun. If history has taught us anything, it is that people who lake restraint are doomed to self-destruction.
Report Post »As far as homosexuality, check out the Thomas Aquinas web site. The APA removed homosexuality from its list of mental illness without any scientific or medical research. It was strictly a political move, causing pain and suffering for many young men and women since then.
Oh, and by the way, name calling only makes you look small.
SexyHeathen
Posted on June 17, 2012 at 1:40pm“Eternal” isn’t part of the definition of joy. Also you have to be really isolated to think that Christians somehow have access to another form of Joy or Happiness that Atheists do not. (Or people from other religions for that matter). I have been both a Ministry leader and an Atheist activist, and it’s pretty clear that there is nothing supernatural about the happiness of Christians.
Also God killed them. It doesn’t say anything about Satan being “allowed to kill” anyone in those verses. You really can’t just arbitrarily stick Satan in every time God decides to end life. Unless, of course, you don’t think the bible is true and you feel like making up stories.
To Postolic: Morality exists plainly in our lives. The bible can’t really add or take away anything from morality, it’s inherent in the human experience. When we take action it has the power to help or harm people. If it net harms people it‘s bad if it net helps people it’s good. While it is obviously more complex than this, we already have enough of an understanding of morality to judge religious precepts. We have the power to ask questions like “Is God being a dick in this verse?“ or ”does this doctrine help people.” If you or someone else can‘t see that a clear and rational morality exists outside religious law than perhaps we ought to lock you up out of fear that one day you’ll lose faith and go on a killing spree.
We can study homosexuality and clearly see that it does little
Report Post »purplehippo
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:31pmI regard Billy Graham as one of the last prophets to this world and when he dies there will not be much time left. God bless him and may God reach the hearts of these sick sinners for the real gospel of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:25pmOMG… The Westboro lunatics are stirring again.
Report Post »Master_and_Commander
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:21pmseriously, this is a tiny tiny group of less than a hundred people, and every time they do something stupid, they get put up as the poster people for the Christian Faith. Why do they keep making the news? They’re all idiots, end of story.
Report Post »Crazyotto
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:20amTry less than 40… They are about as relevant as Don Ameche and dried dates..I say nobody pay attention to them and they will disappear. They are easy to poke fun at… they fund their silly activities by suing everyone they can get their hands on.. Some christian organization
Report Post »MemphisViking
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:02pm“Why do they keep making the news?” You answered your own question. “…every time they do something stupid, they get put up as the poster people for the Christian Faith.”
Report Post »Southern Rebel
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:15pmBilly Graham is a fraud…I’ll give the Westboro people that…but the Westboro people are way off base in witnessing Gods truth to anyone.
Report Post »Most christians slobber all over themselves when it comes to Billy Graham, but he AIN’T the good christian man people think him to be or really really want him to be.
If you ‘christians’ want to think all wonderful things about Billy Graham…then that’s your problem and your opinion; but then again, most of you ‘christians’ are sound asleep or are paid members in churches that do absolutely NOTHING to witness Gods truth to the lost and to be fishers of men, which is what we’re supposed to be. Most of your churches fit perfectly, the message of Laodecia…so maybe y’all might wanna get out of your religious temples and take refuge only in the Lord while you still have the time.
Elena2010
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:22pmAnd on what basis do you say that Dr Graham is a fraud?
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:32pmPut the Proxac back in the bottle and break em in half next time
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:55pmSouthern Rebel: Westboro are sinners & liars. Your mockery of Christians and Reverend Graham is irrelevant because it is unprovable and bears obvious false witness. May God bless you & show you His mercy & heal your hurting soul.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:40pmSouthern Rebel
As a member of the Church of Laodecia, I am able to recognize another luke-warm member of which you surely do portray yourself. Though we may grope in the dark at times until God opens our eyes to see the light, we know better than to speak against a man of God. You apparently have not learned that lesson…you must be a member of the Wesboro Church of Hate and Contempt. Repent!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:12pmAdolf Hitler, typical of right wing politicians and other influential people, especially the Christian right, hated homosexuals. We all know what Hitler did – he sent them to gas chambers with the Jews, as he would have done with Soros, Piven, Alynsky and so on had he and they lived today. How little things have changed despite the horror of the Holocaust.
You may call the Hillsboro church “extreme” but they really aren’t much further to the right than many other right wing Christians in the news recently (although you won’t read it here) who have also called for the death of homosexuals based on the Old Testament. Or the Tea Party or Adolf Hitler. That philosophy, the one of hating and declaring immoral anyone different from us, is a basic tenant of the right, one which has changed little from Adolf Hitler to Pastor Jones today.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:22pmJZS, Hitler was a left wing idiot just like you. My now 22 year old son can argue that point than you make here. You need to go back and slap some lying professor in the face for filling your then skull full of mush with that piece of BS.
Report Post »Now is your chance to type those thousand words to explain your point of view as to how left and right now apply to politics. The rest of us already know the real truth though.
slimkendall
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:25pmyou’re not very smart.
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:41pm@jzs
Report Post »You and your left wing progressive commie fascist are the ones who are friends with and defend the Islamic Terrorist. No history hasn’t changed since God destroyed Sodom your kind is still involved in sexual perversion and forcing it upon the children of America showing that liberals are child abusers. One only needs to look at Nero or Caligula to see the kind of rulers liberals are. Without Christ it is impossible for liberals to sere their evil. Everything God and History has said is good liberals say is bad. The world has never seen such hate and fascism as is coming from the progressive communist today. Although your evil has cast a shadow on the light of America a new day will dawn and the light of truth will shine as a double edge sword protecting the city on the hill.
Bruce P.
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:36pmHitler was neither right nor left wing. At the extremes, both sides are indistinguishable.
70′s_KID — you are disgusting. It is your kind of madness that is destroying our country.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:07amHi RJJ,
You have one thing wrong. JZS never had a professor or even a 3rd grade education. In his own words, JZS has said in the past that he, “had to leave 2nd grade to pick veggies in a field to earn a few dimes to feed his parents”. He has also said that he, “doesn’t have or watch cable TV”.
His entire education comes from copy and pasting Wikipedia and some Sociocommiearxist Wikipedia (only known to a few Fabian Socialist like him). He is very clever though; a Master of the Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V on a keyboard.
But, that’s about his limit.
Report Post »AnimalsAsLeaders
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:40am70s_KIDS:
*ding* *ding* *ding* Congratulations, you’ve won tonights “who can be the most stereotypical fanatical conservative christian” contest. Impressive use of the most frequently used words and phrases on the Blaze.
left wing,
Report Post »progressive
commie
fascist
Islamic Terrorist.
God
Sodom
sexual perversion
forcing it upon the children of America
liberals are child abusers.
Christ
evil.
fascism
communist
The-Monk
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:54am@Animals As Leaders
Funny, you just used all the same words in your post. Let me guess newbie….
….you are a Ron Paul fanatic who wouldn’t vote for anyone if RP was dead, right?
Not even Gary Johnson???
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 8:17amMany people around Hitler were homosexuals like Ernst Roehm.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 8:22amNAZI 25-point Program
-We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
- We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
-We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate COMMUNALIZATION of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
-Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. (i.e. interest)
Looks socialist
Report Post »Clive
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:54am70′s kids, I hope you didn’t make any offspring, people with your brain need to be booted from the gene pool.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 2:29pmYo Bruce:
You don’t know the difference between your right and left hand even though they are both hands ???
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 2:39pmYo SZJ:
You always seem to have everything backwards, … or inside out, … or upside down.
Report Post »Hitler was a demon possed ***** !
Who say’s these people are christians … if I call myself a dinosaur does that make me one?
Please SJZ …wake up! you’re having a nightmare.
jzs
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 9:12pmRJJ, you accomplished your job as a parent. Raising a son smarter and more knowledgeable than you. He could probably post a reply to my comment, something you couldn’t.
Bruce P of course you’re correct. Dictatorships don’t fit in the continuum between left wing and right wing governments.
I will say though, an underlying principle of the right wing is intolerance and fear of change and always has been. That is a genuine difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives don’t like change; hence the name. Liberals are more tolerant, more accepting of people who are different from themselves. They more tolerant of change.
Muslim countries are a great example. They want a rigid government and want rigid rules and fear the Western ideas of change and acceptance of any idea that doesn’t conform with the old religious leaders ideas of what is correct. That kind of conservatisms is very similar to the conservatism we see in the US today. And the intolerance of anyone different is very similiar to Hitlers vision of the world once he’d conquered it.
So, yes, RJJ, Hitler and Iran and other intolerant countries are good analogies for the intolerant ideas the right are advocating. That’s only one thing they have in common with the right ideas that you share.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 10:35pmJZS
You’re an example of tolerance, hmmm? How are you defining tolerance? Something like signing up to a Conservative website with the intent of demeaning Conservative posters as ignorant, uneducated, and racist for having different views that you?
I really would like an explanation on this one. Don’t ignore the issue like you ignore the President joining the socialist “New Party.” Don’t ignore it like you ignore the President/Vice President being a part of the 1%er’s, those who give equal to or less than 1% of their income to charity. Don’t ignore it like you ignore Republicans giving more to charity than Democrats, despite allegedly hating the poor.
Step up. Tell us how you have been an example of tolerance for over a year here on the blaze!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:33pmSpeckChaser says, “Step up. Tell us how you have been an example of tolerance for over a year here on the blaze!”
Speck, please. I post here as an advocate for all the groups of people demonized and dehumanized by this website – Mexicans, women, Jews, homosexuals and other minorities, as well as the poor and disenfranchised and the middle class Americans – and you think I’m intolerant because I speak against the predudiced and the bigots here? I’m being intolerant by speaking out against bigotry? Come on Speck, you know better than that.
Seriously Speck, you’re confused about the meaning of tolerance, or being deliberately dumb to conform with the thoughts generally expressed here. Speaking out against intolerance isn’t intolerance. And BTW trying to raise old arguments you‘ve already lost doesn’t make your irrational argument any more rational.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 12:55amJZS said, “trying to raise old arguments you‘ve already lost”
You can say you advocate for whomever but your positions are based fiction.
Your claim the right hates the poor but they donate 30% more to the poor than the left.
Your claim the administration cares for the poor while the pres/vice give 1% or less, 14% less than Romney, of their income to charity.
Your claim anyone who calls the pres a socialist is ignorant and uneducated despite knowing with undeniable certainty he joined a socialist group.
JZS, these undeniable facts disprove your claims. Facts you ignore while knowingly beating the drum of deceit. Please explain how my argument has lost when 1) you have not addressed them 2) the foundation of your talking points are based on falsehoods.
In a sane world it would be inconceivable to advance the notion that a group of people who “hate the poor” give more to the poor that those who love the poor. Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Do you wonder why most every significant thing this administration has done, things you advocate for, is opposed by the majority of the country? You are literally the horse at the water’s edge that is dying of thirst.
All this aside, I am praying for you brother.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 10:02pmSpeck says, “Your claim the right hates the poor but they donate 30% more to the poor than the left.”
Interesting but not surprising that you didn’t post a link to support your claim that the right donates “30% more” to the poor the liberals. Speck where in the world did you get that claim. That’s your claim to prove, not mine to disprove. It‘s obvious on the face that’s an impossible thing to access, but you go right and try to prove that’s true. You can‘t but you’re welcome to try.
In the meantime reflect on fact that the Republican position is to lower taxes on the rich and raise yours to pay for those tax cuts, as well as eliminating programs that give the poor a leg up, keep them out of the gutter or the grave and give them a chance. And the government programs that give medical care to the poor without which they would suffer and die.
Speck, you’re fooling yourself. The platform of the right is support the rich, and take away support for the poor. I suggest you pray on that and understand that the people you’d support want to take away from you as well as the poor.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on June 17, 2012 at 12:58amJZS
Are you serious? You are joking right? Well, there is an excerpt below along with the links. I used the quote in case you are too lazy to find out for yourself, as you have shown to be the case until now.
“Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1
Like I said, you are literally the horse at the water’s edge that is dying of thirst.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:12pmI hate these people if they see their God as hating everything than I find it insane that they worship a bully. What other words can I use? Christianity is the world’s largest religion. 2.0 billion believers and various denominations. Now, before anyone mentions true Christians or what not. I would like to point out I see a person as Christian if they say they are. No matter if their good or not. I do have a lot of respect for people who are nicer than the Westboro jerks. I just hate a lot of evil in the world.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:09pmah look all the cute little trolls are crawling out of their caves
Report Post »JJBlazeReader
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:05pmWestboro Baptist protesters, may I recommend you look out for squirrels.
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Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:05pmThese Westboro folks are the devil’s spawn. Satan delights in their nonsense. If they ever show up in my hometown, I’ll be out there confronting them, because this has gone on long enough. People who abuse their right of free speech to peddle hatred need to be held accountable by the citizenry.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:02pmAll religion is a crock.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 5:57amAll thieving thugs like hoodies
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:01pm.
Report Post »Billy is probably praying for them as we speak……
RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:26pmI would have to agree with that. Saw him in Oklahoma back in ‘71 and that sentiment would definitely apply.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:39amHi Spank,
Most gracious of you and probably true….
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:01pmGod is agape, self-giving covenant love.
Yes, He expects our obedience, but He has also given us forgiveness when we fail to obey. Moses was a murderer and Elijah was a runaway after defeating the prophets of Ba’al. Yet, they both attended Jesus at the Transfiguration.
Jesus chided the heartless law-keepers of His day for their hardness of heart. He busted the chops of those who knew better and did no better. He was merciful to those who struggled but loved God anyway. He hung out w/known and notorious sinners – tax collectors and shameless women.
God is love!
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:00pmBilly Graham is the gold standard of Christianity
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:34pmI have yet to find a man that’s the “gold standard” of Christianity other than Christ. No one on this earth is even close to His teachings and never will be, unfortunately.
Report Post »Wringeaux
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:56pmThe long forgotten 11th Commandment:
Report Post »Thou shall call people names and tell them what I hate.
Xyskalla
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 11:27amYes, because Jesus spent so much time picketing, screaming names at people and telling them how much He hates them.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:49pmPsychos protesting psychos. Gotta love it.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:48pmWhat’s their problem with Billy Graham? He preaches the Biblical truths.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:57pmSay what? He doesn’t preach what I read in MY Bible.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:01pmI thought he was dead.
Report Post »Is this Zombie Billy.
WHere’s my face mask, hon.
Bruce P.
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:33pmGIT-R-DONE — think the problem is that Mr. Graham has so often used his ministry to fight for freedom, be it during the Civil Rights Movement, the Cold War or Apartheid South Africa. None of that can sit well with the Westboro Baptists. It is probably Ramon’s problem with Graham as well.
RAMON — that is because you are most likely reading from the Necronomicon.
Walkabout
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 8:12amcharles116
Report Post »I read what you wrote to quickly. I thought you were writing about Westboro. Instead you were talking about Billy Graham. You have no ideal how far gone you are. Enjoy the trip.
Git-R-Done
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 5:12pmWalkabout – That’s b/c Charles hates Christians more than he does gangstas. If he had his way, Trayvon Martin would have killed George Zimmerman.
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:46pmThese are the kind of people who need to be parachuted into Syria asap.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:40pmCan you say, cult !
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:48pmYup, the Christian cult.
Report Post »svan71
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:57pmYep the “cult” that built the free-ist greatest country on Gods green earth…
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:06pmAre you one of those crazies who don’t know history?
Do you go around saying that “This is a Christian nation” and that all the founders were Christian?
Christians played a part in the founding of America. So did Deists and so did Atheists(or free thinkers). They all agreed that anyone could privately worship they way they wanted, but they agreed that we couldn’t have a system of law based around a religion.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:08pmAnd by “free-ist” do you mean writing about freedom, liberty and pursuit of happiness while owning other human beings?
Nothing says freedom like slavery.
Please, learn and be able to comprehend history.
Report Post »Tim Law
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 10:56pm@ ModerationIsBest
John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence.
“Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God … What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.”
–Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9
“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
Report Post »–Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson
Dudley Do-Right
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:22pmMODERATIONISBEST asks
“Are you one of those crazies who don’t know history?”
No…YOU are! Allow me to enlighten you…
Many of the British North American colonies that eventually formed the United States of America were settled in the seventeenth century by men and women, who, in the face of European persecution, refused to compromise passionately held religious convictions and fled Europe. The New England colonies, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland were conceived and established “as plantations of religion.” Some settlers who arrived in these areas came for secular motives–“to catch fish” as one New Englander put it–but the great majority left Europe to worship God in the way they believed to be correct. They enthusiastically supported the efforts of their leaders to create “a city on a hill” or a “holy experiment,” whose success would prove that God’s plan for his churches could be successfully realized in the American wilderness. Even colonies like Virginia, which were planned as commercial ventures, were led by entrepreneurs who considered themselves “militant Protestants” and who worked diligently to promote the prosperity of the church.
Let me guess, public school education?
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/religion.html
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 11:31pmAnd Deists were a minority within a minority
“Deism” is a loosely used term that describes the views of certain English and continental thinkers. These views attracted a following in Europe toward the latter part of the seventeenth century and gained a small but influential number of adherents in America in the late eighteenth century. Deism stressed morality and rejected the orthodox Christian view of the divinity of Christ, often viewing him as nothing more than a “sublime” teacher of morality. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams are usually considered the leading American deists. There is no doubt that they subscribed to the deist credo that all religious claims were to be subjected to the scrutiny of reason. “Call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion,” Jefferson advised. Other founders of the American republic, including George Washington, are frequently identified as deists, although the evidence supporting such judgments is often thin. Deists in the United States never amounted to more than a small percentage of an evangelical population.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel02.html
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:08am@DUDLEY DO-RIGHT
Once again, like most other Christians rushing to prove that we are a Christian nation, you completely ignored the entire point of my argument. Re-read what I said, and see how it applies to EXACTLY what you wrote about.
@TIM LAW
To every quote you give of a founder endorsing some kind ore belief, I can give you one denouncing that belief, or(and this is most important) one that endorses that belief on a personal level, not one that is endorsing governing our society by that belief…..which ironically is my whole point.
I will say it again. There WERE Christians(some very devote) who had a part in the foundation of America. There were COUNTLESS men who wanted(and petitioned) the name Jesus put into the Constitution. Thankfully, the head honchos or what we commonly refer to as “our founders” came together and decided that while people can be free to worship as they please, Government couldn‘t endorse a specific religion as that would eventually trample on other people’s right to worship freely. What most people don’t realize is that there were Christians persecuting other Christians which is why Jefferson wrote the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. Christians were trying to establish State churches to ban other sects of Christianity.
Yes, but please teach me about history and how every single founding father was a devote, Jesus loving Christian and wanted to establish a Christian nation where everyone worshiped Jesus.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 12:12am@DUDLEY DO-RIGHT
Yup, Deism never amounted to much, except having two of the key founders in our society.
No wonder that Texas removed Thomas Jefferson as a revolutionary and put in his place John Calvin.
Deism with Christianity.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 8:40am“Yup, the Christian cult.” – ModerationIsBest
ModerationIsBest spoiling for a fight. ModerationIsBest came looking to show off their intellectuasl prowess. FAIL!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darwin
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on June 15, 2012 at 2:50pmYo Mod:
Keep twisting those ballons … you might (not) actually get one to look the way you want it to.
Strange though … I keep hearing this popping sound …
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 16, 2012 at 11:24pm@4TRUTH2ALL
Ironic that someone with the name “4TRUTH2ALL” has absolutely no interest in knowing the truth but spreading a version of “truth” to fit their agenda.
I offered up a perfectly true account of our history. It is you religious zealots who continually try to distort what America was all about by making asinine claims of the US being a Christian nation.
There were Christians who played an integral part in our founding, as there were deists and atheists. They eventually came to an agreement to have true religious freedom, government couldn’t endorse a specific religion(granted, it hasn’t kept that from happening) but that’s beside the point. As I have said before, just because the founders wrote the Constitution, it doesn‘t mean that they didn’t do unconstitutional things(owning slaves while writing about freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness).
It‘s why the Constitution doesn’t mention Jesus, or even a God. It mentions a “Creator” which is so hilariously vague that it is almost irrelevant. It basically says, “whichever way you think you were created, your rights are inalienable.” or another way to put it, “it’s irrelevant how you came to be, these rights are inalienable.“ or ”these rights can never be taken away by anybody.”
Granted that hasn’t stopped people from taking away those rights of other people(slavery, Japanese camps during WW 2) but that was the intent.
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:40pmSurely the Baptist Church can force Westboro to stop using “Baptist” in its name.
Report Post »SHASTADIANE1
Posted on June 14, 2012 at 9:53pmI wish the Baptist would or could HI. This bunch is a family of idiots, and this old man has not a blemish one on his reputation. He is 93 years old, retired, and not preaching anything now…in bad health, and all I know, is that if I was a member of this church (which I’d never be), I’d be concerned over my OWN salvation and leading people down the road of damnation. Not the Reverend Billy Graham. I feel sorry for these lost souls. They are a sad representation of the Christians of this country, and I am sorry that they feel the need to do the things that they do. They are sad…is all I can say. SAD.
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