‘God Is a Myth’: Watch a Preview of The Blaze‘s Epic Coverage of Atheists’ ‘Woodstock for Non-Belief’
- Posted on March 25, 2012 at 9:44am by
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Atheists, agnostics and freethinkers “invaded” Washington, D.C. this weekend to show politicians and the American public, alike, that their voices matter in the political sphere. The Blaze already told you about the Secular Coalition for America’s lobbying training that we attended on Friday morning. This event was just one of the many celebrations and meetings surrounding the “Reason Rally” — supposedly the largest gathering of non-believers and skeptics in world history.
The rally, which included performers, speakers, activities and plenty more, was intended to celebrate non-theism, while taking aim at faith and religion in the public square. Although the overall tone was focused upon atheist empowerment (and the vast majority of individuals we spoke with were respectful and willing to speak candidly about their beliefs), off-color comments and anti-religious sentiment were prevalent among those taking the stage.
From 10 a.m. until 6 p.m., the National Mall was filled with several thousand secularists who chanted, laughed and cheered — all in the name of secular humanism. Many times throughout the speeches and performances atheists were encouraged to “come out” and show their non-belief, as numerous attendees we spoke with likened the atheist struggle to that of the gay rights plight in America.
Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation
Perhaps David Silverman, the controversial president of American Atheists, summed the event’s purposes up most appropriately when he told the audience, “God is a myth. Closet atheists, you are not alone.” Freedom From Religion Foundation co-president Annie Laurie Gaylor later added, “Nothing fails like prayer.”
(Related: The Blaze Goes Inside an Atheist Training Session: ‘We’re Going to Invade Capitol Hill’)
In addition to these two individuals, the atheist invasion of sorts included addresses from famed scientist Richard Dawkins, a video message from comedian Bill Maher (which was as offensive as could be expected), an address from teen atheist Jessica Ahlquist, a performance by the band Bad Religion and plenty of others. It was essentially an “all stars” event that included the secular world’s biggest celebrities.
Famed atheist Richard Dawkins
I spent the day covering the event with The Blaze’s multimedia producer Benny Johnson, interviewing dozens of atheists and documenting the day’s happenings. From volunteers to secular bigwigs like Gaylor, we were able to speak first-hand with some of the atheist movement’s most intriguing figures.
Below, see a preview of the coverage we conducted. In the clip, you’ll meet an atheist dressed up as Jesus riding a dinosaur (yes, really). The man, who claims he’s from Toronto, ended up being a fixture and mascot of sorts at the rally:
The ethnically diverse, yet predictably singularly-minded group of attendees embraced a very simple message: Atheists are here, the collective is growing and the time has come for non-believers to speak out in unison.
In what seemed to mimic a religious revival of sorts, those in attendance seemed elated over their new-found ability to coalesce. Among those we spoke with, many felt intrigued, inspired and encouraged to learn that they aren’t alone — as Silverman noted — in embracing a non-theistic worldview.
Take, for instance, Daniel and Joelle Leone, a husband and wife from Philadelphia. Joelle, a nurse, says she had never met any other atheists. While she was more than aware of her own non-belief, finding a support system has been important to her. When a friend at work told her about the Reason Rally, she became interested and convinced Daniel, a police officer, to come along with her. The experience, she says, was a positive one.
“What I left with was, for me, feeling like I really should join something to let my voice count for something and to let others know what I believe,” she explained, going on to say that it was refreshing to learn that there were so many others like her who are dismissive of the notion of a higher power.
Daniel, though, had a different perspective. While he enjoyed the event, he seemed a bit jaded by what he saw as the more “radical” elements of its adherents.
“We met a lot of cool people, but they seemed to really be radicals — like that’s all we would talk about. I don’t want it to rule my life,” he said. “Now that I’m older – I’m 40 — it’s just hard to believe in some of the religious stories like Noah’s Ark.”
In the end, though, Daniel, too, said, “I just like it that I’m not alone.”
Another woman — a Catholic professor at a northeastern university who declined to provide us with her name — attended the event out of interest. Despite her belief in Jesus Christ, she told The Blaze that it was important for non-believers to make their voices heard. While she found herself conflicted with some of the day’s tone, she said it may, collectively, provide a much-needed balance.
“I looked for the rhetoric and the construction of the message. I think that some of the message was divisive,” she explained. “But I’m not sure if that’s a bad thing…it might be good to anchor extremities on the other side to balance it out.”
Here, of course, she was referring to the extremities she sees present on the religious right.
In the end, the event attracted some notable counter-protesters. Christians from across America held signs that encouraged non-believers to embrace God. And the infamously-radical Westboro Baptist Church also attended. The latter group came to protest a speech by atheist Nate Phelps — the estranged son of the radical cult’s leader, Fred Phelps. Westboro members came holding signs that read, “God Hates You” and “You’re Going to Hell,” among others.
Stay tuned for more of The Blaze’s epic video coverage of the Reason Rally coming on Monday.
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Itsjusttim
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:30amThat’s funny now people who use Alinsky are pointing the figure saying “You use Alinsky.“ You know when someone is speaking the truth because both sides will say ”You are using Alinsky.”
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:58amIt’s typical leftwing “:smelt it dealt it”.. They use it to muddy the waters by accusing first (and falsely)!
Report Post »black9897
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:29pmI‘m amazed at atheists who go out of their way to promote atheism like it’s a religion. Why go out of your way to try and change minds?? You’re not called to do that. You either believe there is no God or that a god doesn’t exist, why bother? To them it’s like snow white, or Zeus, so why bother trying to tell others to stop believing in something they don’t think exists? Makes no sense. There are many reasons i’m sure, but I think one is pride. To say “see, this is stupid and i’m right.”
Report Post »Anonymouse.
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:48pmYou people simply lack the ability to understand what being a nonsuperstitious person of reason really is. You obviously don’t get it. Probably never will.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 4:21pmJust looking at the pics of Dawkins and Gaylor up above.
Somethin’ about the eyes.
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 6:43pmI have a very low opinion of Richard Dawkins. I think he is ignorant and narrow-minded. He has limited his own advancement by his unbelief. So be it, if that is what he wants. However, I am surprised that he identifies himself with garbage like that.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 7:32pm@Therightsofbilly
“Just looking at the pics of Dawkins and Gaylor up above.
Somethin’ about the eyes.”
Yep, reminds me of Elmer C. Fudds middle name…. Crazy!
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 7:47pm@ITSJUSTTIM
Very poor use of logic. I don’t think you understand the “Alinsky” tactic. He and his progressive adherents use(d) the method not to argue the truth, but to obfuscate the truth spoken by their opposition. Now, since their opposition understands the tactic and calls the progressives on it, it doesn’t mean that the progressives are speaking the truth.
@ANONYMOUSE
Report Post »Having Faith in God isn’t superstition. It’s faith. If you want reason and enjoy thoughtful arguments, I challenge you to read Summa Theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas. You will need a solid understanding of Greek Philosophy (Aristotle, Plato and Neo-Platonic to mention a few) to truly understand it though. Will you dare?
Formula382
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 8:57pmFunny isn’t it. The length that the nut jobs will go to in an effort to divert attention away from Obama’s completely failed presidential term, and the fool isn’t even done jacking up the country.
Just diversions here, move along…lest we forget that Obummer is the worst president in the history of this country.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 12:32amFor people who claim there is nothing to it, they sure make a big stink out of their non belief and believe that you should not believe, so they actually do believe in something.
I don’t think I have ever lived through a time in previous decades where I have seen Christianity attacked so viciously all around the world and with shame here in the USA of all places. We’ve brought people in from all around the world and some came for religious freedom and now will find themselves persecuted here. For you athiests! I’ve got news for ya, the anti-christ will appear soon and he will demand your belief and allegiance in him and his miraculous powers. Of course you will revolt at first then you will follow like everyone else just like so many millions have done with the other mini-anti-christs like Hitler, Mao and Stalin.
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:59amFORMULA382
Report Post »To think that there are those who refuse to acknowledge the existence of God as “Funny” isn‘t what I’d call it. The whole purpose of individual existence throughout time is to accept or reject God. What gov that we devise truly is inconsequential, for all human devised governance will always be lacking in God’s perfect wisdom. That is what He told the decedents of Abraham when they fist asked for a King.
That the Founding Fathers of The United States recognized the primacy of God and God’s desire for mans freedom to be made manifest in the world is unique in history to be sure. But they knew what they devised was imperfect and transient, especially if the populace did not follow the promptings of the Spirit of God. In this regard, we have wandered far into the desert.
Then, on top of all this, is the season of time in history. This is the epoch of human history in relation to God. The second coming of Jesus Christ was foretold both in the Book of Daniel and Revelations. That which was written eventually must come about. The seals spoken of in Revelations are in the process of being broken, and no amount of prayerful supplication can defer it. Once it has begun it must be completed. The time is at hand.
In other words, it doesn’t matter who is elected. Whomever becomes POTUS will be “the man of the times” in order to fulfill what is to be for the Glory of God.
4xeverything
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 6:54am@ANONYMOUSE
“You obviously don’t get it. Probably never will.”
I’m OK with that.
Report Post »BuzzardSays
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 5:26pmTo the RightsOfBilly,
The dead eyes give them away for being atheists.
Luke 11:34 “The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness.
I am sure these walking zombie atheists will always hold the Magik Mary Poppins measuring tape to themselves and get their delusion that they are “perfect in every way” and use that as an affirmation of their spiritual state of affairs. To their detriment each and every one of these atheists are under a strong delusion placed upon them by God himself.
Report Post »ldaopines
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:05amWhether you believe in Noah’s Ark or not, the fact is that religion is tied at the hip to individual freedom in the United States. Religions define the moral code that can’t be legislated and help a free society to run ethically and decently….. with compassion, politeness, sacrifice, courage, truth, friendship, marital/family values, individual responsibility, and community service. Without these teachings and weekly reinforcements, too many people degenerate into OWS depravity, selfishness, hatred, envy, and violence and require the strong hand GOVERNMENT to control their behavior.
These secularists should be thankful for religion because it promotes a peaceful society that allows them individual freedom to meet and express their views.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:20amI think it takes a lot more “FAITH” to NOT believe in a Creator. I don‘t know of anything that isn’t first thought of/then designed/then created … I think it takes amazing faith to believe that something exploded zillions of years ago, but no one knows what or where that ‘matter’ came from and then it stopped exploding and intricate things like eyeballs and seasons and fire, water, air developed.
I hope that people will begin to realize that their “DOUBT” or “DISTRUST” of GOD is the result of a carefully orchestrated effort on the part of those who want to destroy America. From the Progressives to the Communists (who fell apart) to all manner of Socialists, Marxists etc. People who want power, knowing that they cannot control people who believe in GOD, therefore they are trying to ‘destroy God’. They forget that we are not just bodies…but we are also SOULS. They might control our bodies but they can never control our Souls. This latest effort to disprove GOD is the result of years of Anti-AMERICANS putting out totally faux information for one reason: To conquer us. DO NOT BE FOOLED. God waits to hear from each of us. HOW do we reach GOD? Just say: God, bring me to YOU.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:21amNoah’s Ark was a spiritual vessel that he pitched within and without with the word of God, and he built the Ark out of true light “Gopher wood.” But don’t take my word for it, because the one will be coming riding a “Cyborg Unicorn” like that Texas boy’s drawing.
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:35amI wonder if Adam Savage from the “Mythbusters” ever showed up since he was originally on the list of media types who supported the event.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:40amPatty,
I don’t need to know what created the universe First, it may not even be a valid question to say that something “outside” of time and space needs to be created as creation is an act dependent on the flow of time. Second, if you don’t know what created or caused the universe, then you don’t know. It doesn’t give you license to insert your favorite supernatural explanation as a plausible explanation. It can‘t be plausible because you don’t even have a means of assigning a reasonable probability to it.
Doesn’t it seem like a grand conspiracy theory to think that communists and others are in on a grand conspiracy to ruin America to promote atheism and yet no one in on a conspiracy theory so large has ever changed their mind and admitted it?
Report Post »ONE-IFBYLAND
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:42am@ LDAOPINES
You are so right! These people are just too ignorant to understand this. However, they have the right to their beliefs and I respect that, but they should respect my right to believe in God! How sad that our country has come to this!!
Report Post »NORTHBRO
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 12:34pmI agee. read the story of Peter Hitchens, a brother and fellow atheist to Christopher. He lived under communism and there realized how awful a Goddless society was. Atheists are getting louder because they are loosing ground and numbers There are 2.3 bill Christians, 1.6 bill muslims, 951 mill, hindus, 486 mill bhudists, and only 137 mill athiests, most in western civilizations.Comparitive growth stats are stiking. as of mid 2011, 80,000 new christians per day, 7900 new muslims per day, but 300 fewer athiest per day. A more intualectually honest atheist, John D Steinrucken, wrote an article for American Thinker, titled “secularism’s on going debt to Christianity“ where he says ”religios faith has made possible the advancement of western civilization“ ”crime and debauchery are held in check by religion” read it for your self http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/secularisms_ongoing_debt_to_ch.html
Report Post »I ALSO RECOMEND READING THE FIRST CHAPTER IN DR. DAVID JEREMIAH‘S ’I NEVER THOUGHT I’D SEE THE DAY!’
VoteBushIn12
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:00pm“These secularists should be thankful for religion because it promotes a peaceful society that allows them individual freedom to meet and express their views.”
Let me stop you right there. Please answer me this question…
How many wars were started in the name of Atheism? … 0
Is there a single religion that can claim it did not engage in holy wars? … nope.
To think that modern society owes itself to Religion is absurd. Religions do not define a moral code – the promote undeserved supremacy. “I am better than you because I am a ____ and you are not”. “God favors me because I am a ____ and you are not.“ ”I have a right to life and you do not because I am a ____ and you are not.”
Religion has its place. It has defined cultures and keeps people in touch with the past, I think that’s great. However, it has some places that it does not belong. Its place is not at the forefront of government, it is not in intelligent arguments and discussion, and it IS NOT inside a textbook.
The sooner you realize this the sooner mankind can move forward.
Every scientific advancement has been met by severe opposition largely by the Religious. Galileo was called a heretic for presuming the Earth was not the center of the universe. He was found guilty by the CHURCH. Now we realize how ridiculous those theists were… the same will be said of this generation 100 years from now.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:23pm@WVERNON1981
C’mon Vern,
It’s not a conspiracy theory, in that there is some one person or small group in control of a large secretive organization that is coordinating the moves of it’s members, and they are sworn to secrecy.
Besides, who says any of the commies are hiding their intentions anyway?
They seem pretty much out in the open and in our faces lately.
At least that’s my observation.
And speaking of conspiracy theories……..What about all the atheists frantically shrieking about the impending “Theocracy” that is being shoved down your throats?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:29pm@VOTEINBUSH
Stop right there……………
How many people have been murdered, due to atheism?
Report Post »VII
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:06pmTurn to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father God in all that you do! For it is written,
Report Post »“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.
Search yourself, your thoughts, your words, and your acts for the works of the flesh; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries. Those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
VII
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:06pmAgain I tell you it is written,
Report Post »in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.
You must put away pride to find such things in yourself! Nothing anyone else does will be accepted as a reason for such things in yourself.
My brothers and sisters in Christ turn to your Lord with every free moment you have! Seek Him, praise Him, worship Him, drop to your knees and pray to him from the heart!
VII
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:07pmAgain it is written,
Report Post »“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
All who believe in our Lord Jesus Christ turn to him! Do not be divided! Christian, Catholic, Mormon, even Muslim you all believe Jesus then turn to him, and learn from him! Do not allow this world to divide you!
Leader1776
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:37pm@VoteBushIn12
“Let me stop you right there. Please answer me this question…”
Let’s just take at a small portion of the 20th century …………… a small portion. How many people were murdered by atheists? No war, just outright murder. Let’s leave Hitler out because there is a twisted belief he had a religion ……… fostered by the left atheists. Let’s look at just Mao and Stalin, we’ll leave the minor atheist players out of it for now. Estimates are no fewer than 60 MILLION and could have been as high as 100 MILLION people slaughtered between these two atheists. Your side has a pretty piss-poor record. When wars due to religion reach a small fraction of this, then you have SOME standing in this argument. Until then, sit down and shut-up.
Report Post »Anonymouse.
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:20pmYou are all atheists too. You don’t believe in a lot of mythical gods that were commonly accepted as real at one time. How any thinking person can believe the stories a gaggle of bronze age goat herders amazes me. If those men had the same scientific knowledge that we now possess, they never would’ve bothered with their myths and stories in the first place. BTW, where was GOD for the 150,000 years before allegedly making himself known to people in the Middle East a few thousand years ago? And why did “GOD” create Neanderthal, Denisovans, and the other humanoid species discovered in the last 20 years? And then there’s the new discoveries at CERN…..
Report Post »Christhefarmer
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 7:12pm@Anonymouse Much more then this question would be pointless…. Man came from apes right? Apes evolved and that made man. (for whatever reason man gave up his strength for more intelligence rather then keeping both… but lets just leave that be) Now why would it be the only animal that could super evolve be monkeys? Why did cats not super evolve and make cat people? Or canines, fish, insects, hippos….
Look man you have to have more faith then we do, you believe in “science”, the reason why I use the ““ is because your ”science” takes faith. Faith to believe in something that is impossible under your own standards of understanding and explaining existence (science). Bing Bang- Where did the stuff come from to go bang? Umm Expansion- Where stuff from come? Umm Higs (got em this time)- Where for come higs (and things higs touched)? Always was something because you can’t prove there was nothing.- Failed logic dope. Doh it’s mathematically impossible for the earth to exist as it does. I got it there is infinite dimensions and each dimension is infinite.- And you make fun of us for believing in intelligent design but you have an equation with two infinities in it to prove your theory. Evolution- lol Hey man I am a fish I adapt to my environment (why would i want to do that seems like some sort of knowledge I have that would make me want to do something) oh now I am gonna grow lungs because my environment of being underwater says……
Atheist are the least thinki
Report Post »Christhefarmer
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 7:23pm………….. atheist wars….. Good grief, hate to point this out but wars are for territory and land, the leader would use religion to get their people to go along….. You people really make my head hurt with your stupidity. U.S.S.R. we have to conquer the world to show the greatness of our vodka!!!! Nazi’s we have to conquer the world to spread the master race. Japan we have to because we want everyone to enjoy our great manga. (Thank you for trying and I do) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Report Post »Can no one think for themselves to you have to read everything you believe in from someone else. For the love of manga think for yourself for once, don’t hold so tight to the bumper stickers of the cars in front of you. Wars happen because people are greedy reasons behind it are what they tell the public. At least we try to sorta do the right thing in America under some leaders. bklAjkHqwdbuLDC uSE YOUR BLOOMIN BRAINS
blownaway
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 9:19pm@LDAOPINES ~ Well said… somehow people seem to miss that important fact.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 12:33amUH NO. You guys go so far to try to convince those of us (lucky enough) who Believe in GOD (Who created the Universe) that ALL of this “happened” by “ACCIDENT”… that something just exploded or as you now say : came from ‘somewhere” but it’s not necessary to know that little fact…rather like the missing (and never even comes close to finding) Darwinian Link… DETAILS – pesky DETAILS…
Report Post »YOU are willing to believe that something happened, and that all of the design, systems, seasons, rotations etc. are sheer ‘accidents’…ANYTHING BUT GIVE credit to a SUPERIOR BEING who Created Heaven and Earth….WHY would YOU be so willing to believe in “nothing” yet can’t get our belief in “GOD”. Sorry for you but many, many, many of us have more than just a ‘suspicion’ that GOD exists ! Where did LOVE COME FROM? Where did SOULS come from? Those are necessary to keep exploding or procreate…poor person. Thank GOD I was allowed to know about Him.
VoteBushIn12
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:21am@LEADER1776
Lets leave Hitler out of this? Alright, lets leave Stalin and Mao out of this – now how many?
Like, think about what you just said. It’s akin to – “Aside from all the times it rains, it’s sunny every single day!” … uh yeah, you‘re ignoring the times when it isn’t.
Hitler was a CHRISTIAN. Self proclaimed, hailed the name of Jesus, hated all other religions. The modern day neo-nazis, the group that is pushing Hitler’s ideologies, identify with Christianity.
You can claim he wasn’t, that’s fine, but then I’m going to claim Stalin and Mao were not atheists. Now tell me where that leaves us.
Looking at the history of the world, there have been many many MANY more deaths as a DIRECT result of religious oppression than there are even indirect deaths due to Atheism. Anyone challenging that is stupid, plain and simple. Not ignorant, you can’t claim ignorance once faced with the truth – no – if you challenge that then you are straight up DUMB.
Honestly people, pick and chose your battles more carefully. There is no way you are going to walk out of this one without looking foolish.
Report Post »TalmudThumper
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:12amCome on, Schlomo. We both know neither of us believe in Hell, which is why we do kosher things that benefit our lives RIGHT NOW. Like steal from the goyim cattle.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:28amHey Shmoe Thumper,
Pretty prolific for someone that just signed up an hour ago.
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 12:58pm@CHIEFGEORGE
Report Post »The anti christ is coming to get me?
Why do you believe in mythical creatures? If you can prove that just one page of the bible is fact I will go to church next Sun. So god created earth man, and woman. Tell me on what day god created dinosaurs? and I will go the Sun. after too. The only reason the dinosaures are not in the bible is because they were not discovered until the 1820′s , OOPS! I guess it would have helped if jesus was a paleontologist also.
Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:06pm@WVERNON1981:
Your first argument actually cements my own, something that is created depends on flow of time and something that is outside of space and time need not be created. God is outside of space and time and thus doesn’t need to be created, while you, me, and this universe do exist in space and time and in fact need some type of creator.
In your second argument I see you point out probabilities, which is very interesting since probabilities are one of the big arguments for theism. Such as, what is the probability of the Big Bang producing just right type of explosion in terms of size and speed to where it would make the foundation for a life bearing universe and not just be to slow or small to where the matter would collapse in on itself?
@ANONYMOUSE:
Actually if you look up the definition of both Atheism and Theism you would see your argument on us all being atheists is flawed.
Atheist are people who believe that there are no gods or deities. So if you believe in just one god or deity then you are no longer an atheist but a theist.
Report Post »VoteBushIn12
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:25pm@THERIGHTSOFBILLY
I find it a little absurd that I have to even make this post, but here is your proof –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
Things Hitler said that prove his affiliation with, and affinity for, Religion:
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
“For God’s will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.”
“I say: My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.”
And his comments against Atheism:
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
There is your evidence.
Now please show me where it says Stalin and Mao killed their people IN THE NAME OF Atheism (as opposed to simply being an atheist that has killed people).
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:49pm@VoteBushIn12:
I find the tactics of using people who alleged they were Christians and then continued to do so many un-Christian like things despicable. I mean really, If I were to say I was an Atheist or a Christian and then proceeded to kill hundreds of people would it be a direct result of me being a part of that religion? Not unless the religion teaches such, Jesus spoke of loving your enemies and I believe that both Jesus and anyone that reads the Bible can tell that real Christians don’t start Holy Wars they go in peace and preach the word peacefully.
I agree with a lot of what ChrisTheFarmer said, the wars were going to happen. The people who started them just used what ever religion was dominant in that area to get the people on their side.
@COMMONSENSEFREETHINKER1:
Well I show you evidence that there was a city where Jericho was said to be, and that the walls did in fact fall just as the Bible states after digging them up, and how everything in the city was burned even valuable things like grain as tribute to the Lord like the bible stated, instead of looted. I’m unsure if you will consider it stone cold fact though.
Dinosaurs were created on the sixth day when God created everything that creepeth upon the earth, it’s around Genesis 1:24-25
Now you can dispute the fact of me proving a page of the bible as fact, but you must admit I showed you where God created dinosaurs, I myself am more of a baptist but feel free to go to any church of your choo
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 3:00pm@VOTEINBUSH
OK, I’ll start by amending my other comment to say “Due to atheists”, instead of “Due to atheism” if that makes you feel better. Still kind of odd though that the lack of a belief in GOD, has led to the death of so many millions of people at the hands of those non believers. Dontcha think?
Sorry, but I said “credible” proof. Only the lazy and uninformed resort to using WIKI as a source for anything other than how to brush your teeth.
But, since you believe that Hitler was a true Christian just because he claimed to be…….. under the guise of pulling the wool over the heads of his sheep………tell me this…………………
When exactly did we begin to take the words of a madman seriously, and as being truthful?
Seriously.
Especially with the gift of hindsight that allows us to critically examine what really went down.
It seems that some can learn from history, and yet others are blinded by it.
SEE ?
Report Post »BuzzardSays
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 5:43pmTo CommonSenseFreeThinker, Did you say no reference to dinosaurs in the bible? Uh! You are mistaken. His tail is like a Cedar tree. Not an elephant, not a hippo, not a rhinoserus…hmmm. A big creature and incredibly strong and sturdy with a tail how long? Sounds like a brontosaurus.
Job 40:15 “Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox.
Report Post »Job 40:16 “Behold now, his strength in his loins And his power in the muscles of his belly.
Job 40:17 “He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
Job 40:18 “His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron.
VoteBushIn12
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:32am@THERIGHTSOFBILLY
You have got to be kidding me.
A few things,
1) A study suggesting Wikipedia is just as accurate as Britannica
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html
2) The primary sources which will provide you with the same information I quoted are available at the footer of the Wikipedia page. I didn’t link to an article written by one guy with two sources, it has a 105 sources and even more references.
3) Stalin and Mao were atheists that killed people, yes, but did not due so to rid the world of Religion. They killed people who were against their political interests. It’s about as fair to relate their intent to kill with Atheism as it would be to relate it to their choice in shoes.
4) Unfortunately, my argument in #3 for why it’s not entirely fair to relate their killings to an Atheist agenda does not hold for Hitler. Hitler DID kill in the name of Christianity, and the cross, and believed he was doing the world a favor (and fulfilling God’s will in doing so). THAT is what makes him a Christian and THAT is what makes his crimes fit my argument.
Lastly, and this goes for @MR._PROUD_CONSERVATIVE also, saying Hitler was not a Christian because Christians don’t kill is an argument that any – and every – Religion could use. Osama Bin Laden was not a Muslim because true Muslims don’t kill people. Face it, every Religion preaches love and every religion preaches hate. Don’t make me get my bible out to prove it…
Report Post »HumbleMan
Posted on May 13, 2012 at 9:22am@VOTE …
I pray for you man. Let’s see, how about Castro, Pol Pot.
In my opinion, Atheism is a religion. It’s a religion that worships “man”. It places man and man’s law above God, and thus permits men to rule over other men. That is the basis of much of communism and its little brother socialism, which necessarily brings tyranny of iron-fisted oppression. The “individual person” is crushed.
As for science, it too is God’s creation. It’s there for your mind to perceive … scientists do not invent science; they discover it. The same for mathematics. The glory is God’s, not man’s.
Report Post »B-Neil
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:03amTo believe or not to believe, that is the question. I believe. If you don’t want to believe thats your business. What the hell are you non- believers hollering and screeming about. Damn! you look silly and stupid and very uneducated in life pursuits. What is the point in trying to prove your a non-believer?? It makes no sence unless your just looking for attenchen. God bless you and your need not to believe. Best of luck to you. GOD BLESS AMERICA and INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:43amPlease learn to spell or use a spellchecker before saying others look very uneducated.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:35pmHey Vern
While you are sitting there, all high and mighty……..“Spell checker”……..not “Spellchecker”
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:04pmiPhone typo.
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:35pmMaybe they could attract more men if they took a picture of an attractive woman for their freedom from religion foundation poster.
Just sayin………
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:58pmWVERNON1981 Says:
“iPhone typo.”
Hey Vern,
I don’t believe you………….PROVE IT.
Report Post »calmandclear
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 5:11pmYour comment is the best one I’ve read on here. What are they making a fuss about? No one is forcing them into the nearest church. No one really cares whether they believe in God or not, what they believe doesn’t affect anyone but them. I think you make a valid point, they’re wanting attention.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 6:06pmLet them have their fun .They can‘t understand what they can’t understand.The fact that faith is pervasive to mankind and always has been and they lack it causes them consternation.let them come out of the closet and become activists. What do we care?Pray one day they’ll be touched by God.May Christ’s light shine upon them!
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:20pm@ MR PROUD CONSERV,
Report Post »Thank you for your response, I do not doubt that there are places that do exist “cities” that were named in the bible I guess I was refering to the actual acts that were said to have taken place and the divinity factor. As for the Dinousaurs if man and all creatures were created and existed at the same time I have yet to see a 190 million year old human skeleton along side a T rex at the museum and if enen if there was when translated to english language which I seriously dout existed adam eve are very commen modern names, maby click clack or bam bam would be more like it.
commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:40am@BUZZARDSAYS,
Report Post »Yes, but if you read further into chapter 41:15-20 it is very clear that a fire breathing draggon is being described. rows of scales,out of his mouth sparks of fire shoot out, smoke goes out of his nostrils. Like I said, mythical creatures. If you are suggesting that this creature existed than I rest my case that if one can take the bible as fact then you could do the same with someone 1000 years from now who finds and old trilogy of Harry Potter books and thinks that it was a writing of actual events that happened in the past.
PaxInVeritate
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:01amThe evil which is about to make itself present to the world will draw many onto itself, for they will not have a foundation in the Lord God to recognize what it truly is. Fast and pray for them while there is time left to do so; it can still make a difference in how many are saved.
Report Post »ShyMan
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:56amAh…the believers in the great magical nothingness are wanting attention again.
Poor babies. I say let them speak. The more they whine the more pathetic they sound.
They act like they are so mistreated when they have an entire political party, and part of the other one, to represent them in government.
When the great magical nothingness was busy making everything from nothing “it” forgot to give them the ability to overcome their inferiority complex.
And…why are atheists always white?
Report Post »ShyMan
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:01amExcept for Ubama.
Report Post »mwhaley
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:48amHere is a news flash “Freedom from Religion Foundation” You are free from religion. Right now your group does not have anyone forcing you to worship to any god. I say right now because you are ushering in a force that will you will have to worship him in order to survive.
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 2:30pmATHEISM – IS – A – RELIGION. = It has all the elements of it.
FAITH = in themselves . Oh, and of course in THE ALL KNOWING science.
RIGHTEOUSNESS = believing what THEY say is right instead of what GOD says is right.
WISDOM = they are ARROGANT.
BELIEVE = they BELIEVE there is no God.
BOOKS = about humanism instead of the BIBLE about God.
WORSHIP = of each other and self. And at THE LAB OF SCIENTISTS, of course.
CHURCHES = case schools, colleges and universities.
PUNISHMENT = of the unborn, because they happen to come along at the wrong time.
And now they are actually building a church to NOTHING in England. Imagine that!
Now, since it is a church for believers in NOTHING to NOTHING, I wonder, will it be invisible? How will NOTHINGISTS find it then?
And there is already a lot of satanic music out there to go along with their worship.
Is it not great to be a NOTHINGIST? Well, maybe not so much because, unfortunately, they are useful tools for satan.
I wonder if they have some kind of blessing they give each other? Does anyone know?
So, I guess they are all set now , to grow by leaps and bounds, with their revival meetings and evangelizing.
They are so stupid, they don’t even know that they are all about the religion of atheism.
But then, how can they.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 “A wise man’s heart is at his right hand, but a fools heart at his left.
I don’t think there is any doubt about their foolishness.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:46amHey moron on the our t-rex…. no evidence and no history… the Bible in itself IS a history book… it was written by those who lived with Jesus and wrote of his days here on Earth, his teachings and so forth. They didn’t right it then to be a history book, they captured the moments and wrote them down and their recountings were then put together to become the bible which in fact is a guide for man to follow and is a history book in and of itself…
These guys crack me up… its a myth, there is so much evidence, but these “free thinkers” do anything but freely think, if they’ll freely examined things with an open mind vs. their closed point of view and looked at the bigger picture and the evidence which they just instantly turn their backs on, they would very easily see that they are wrong, but to open their minds and eyes and look and see would be an admission that they are wrong and they wont admit that… these people are not free thinkers at all… they are truly the perfect examples of bigots and closed thinkers.
Report Post »bpodlesnik
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:12amAtheists who are unwilling to sit down and have a face-to-face conversation with someone about there beliefs, are nothing but arrogant, know-nothing fools. I have a couple friends who are atheists, and I can actually have conversation with them and get along fine, but it is these numb headed people, who mock religion, and have zero, ZERO scientific proof of there belief, that are the troublesome ones.
Just watch ANY episode from the show “Origins” with Dr. Donn Chapman and you will see the truth. The facts are mind boggling.
Here is a link http://www.ctvn.org/programs-origins.asp
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 5:01pmI’m not an atheist. There may be a God, I don’t say that there isn’t, but you are spouting fairy tales. That’s not just the opinion of atheists. Christian scholars and historians acknowledge that none of the Bible was written until long after the events described, and often not by the people traditionally credited with its authorship. Just because we know that some of it is history, doesn’t mean that it’s not mixed up with an equal amount of mythology.
Report Post »huntinwabbits
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:16pmChet, actually you are factually incorrect. While it may be true that much of the early Old Testament was oral tradition for many generations, the Bible as a whole surpasses the standards set for modern day history books taught in classrooms. The time period between the events in Jesus time and the writing down of said events is very small much being written before the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The standards use to authenticate the Bible are so strict that if the same standards were used on the writings that tell us about Alexander the Great (who is talked about in the Bible as well) and so on, we could classify those as myth and legend. There is ample evidence that goes much more in depth and I am not doing the research for you. There is a reason why most critical thinkers who set to disprove the Bible eventually become some of the faith’s greatest supporters. I would encourage you to find it out. Try to disprove the Bible. Meet with professors, scholars and pastors. Find out why the historical aspect of the Bible more authentic than anything you will find being taught to children in schools, yet no one thinks twice to question those history books.
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:49pm@CAPITALISMROCKS,That’s funny! “the bible is a histoy book in itself” Ya, that‘s why i’ts taught in every school because it’s true. NOT! we only teach true and factual history. Why would I want to poison my childs mind with such B.S. and tell them that if they don’t do this or that that they will go to a mythical place called hell.Or if you are good you will go to a mythical place called heaven. No, I just teach them to know the difference between right and wrong I don’t need an ultimate consequence or reward to prove the point. To touch on your crazy idea that some kind of a news crew followed jesus and his posse around writing down every single word he said and put it in the bible is nothing short of just ldiotic.Even with T.V. ,phones and todays news coverage and reporters you could not get every word writen, and even if it was: the distortion of truth over the time until the bible was writen would be well, what it is now nothing but ancient false beliefs and fairytales. lets look at a timeline shall we.
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200 million years and more
The second bracket to the right is j.c the last is now. Were was god before the bible?
commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:40pm@CAPITALISMROCKS,
Report Post »If you do not believe in any type of evolution I suggest you stop using anything and everything that has been invented it the last oh, lets say 350 years which it may as well be yesturday compared to the oldest known dinosaur nesting ground dated @ 190 million years old.So if your god created man and earth and dinousaurs and existed all at the same time what you are saying is that humans just all of a sudden got smart and decided after 200 or more million years which by the way the earth is much older than that but giving the benifit of the doubt at 200 million years decided that they were tired of walking ,riding animals, so they just magicaly had the smarts to build an automobile, or tired of living in the dark so they invented electricty and the light bulb.Tired of traveling long distances to talk to thier family and friends so invented the phone, and TV. ,Computer,
firearms,I really could go on and on but I’m sure you get my drift.
I don’t have to state facts when I have commonsense to know that whether you believe humans evolved from monkeys, chips, apes, dirt,dna,fish whatever that the human brain does evolve and get more intelligent over time and new discoveries are found everyday that without human inovation and intelligents we would still be in the middle ages. Just so you know, I get up everyday and do what I do because I want to not because of some other force.
momprayn
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:43amSomeone once said that this Westboro Church may actually NOT be Christians — could be a bunch of atheists who got together and appear as Christians and go around and have these hateful, disgusting protests – which would make the news (maybe already had a deal with lib media) and make Christians look very, very bad. Hmmm….the more I think about it – maybe so.
Report Post »Nothing would surprise me. Everyone needs to question everyone and know that most of the time, people and situations aren’t as they appear or the truth.
Re this protest – well, I think atheism is the real myth. God is obvious to “see” in creation, period. Honest scientists will tell you you can’t beyond the fact that creation HAS to have an “Intelligent Designer”. It’s mind boggling what people can believe. It’s also very easy to research and find the Bible is true beyond reasonable doubt with many proofs. So what it comes down to is that they choose not to want to know….which goes back to what brought satan down….pride….don’t want to be “accountable”, etc., etc. I also notice they will point out, as their “excuse” that so many Christians are hypocrites.. They don’t want to think it through to see that just b/c they do these things, that doesn’t mean the Bible is not true and God does not exist – man’s fault, not God’s.Just means man is just like the Bible says – weak, born with a strong tendency to sin, rebel, etc. and don’t live as God wants & satan is there helping.
wvernon1981
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:30amMom,
Are you making the mistake of thinking your incredulity and inability to understand how something happened means thee is a designer?
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 12:10pm“It’s mind boggling what people can believe.” Indeed it is! Some examples:
Report Post »That the universe is only a few thousand years old.
That there was an original man molded out of dirt, and an original woman fashioned from his rib.
That the earth was once entirely flooded by 6-odd weeks of rainfall, and only one man and his family survived, along with a vast menagerie of animals, on board a single vessel.
That God made the sun stand still at the behest of Joshua.
That Jesus was born of a virgin and walked on water.
That Muhammad was borne to Heaven from Jerusalem astride a magic horse.
I could go on, but it’s Sunday, and I should rest.
COFemale
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 12:45pmBy the same token Lloyd, it is amazing what some believe.
That man and woman were created from magic goo that came magically together by chance.
That man descended from apes.
That man thinks he is the highest life form in the universe.
That the magic dust in space magically came together to form earth.
See your beliefs can sound just as ludicrous. At least ours sounds more plausible.
Report Post »Blinda
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:01pmI definitely think Westboro Church members are not Christians. Jesus taught that His followers would be known for their love. Westboro is known only for hatred. I don’t think they are atheists as you suggest may be possible. While I suppose anything is possible, there isn’t really any proof of that. But they certainly are not worshipping Jesus or following His teachings or bringing glory to God.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:08pmCo: let’s unpack some of your misrepresentations–more charitably, misunderstandings–of present science.
Report Post »“That man and woman were created from magic goo that came magically together by chance.”
Magic had nothing to do with it. DNA is not “magic goo,” it is a perfectly natural organic molecule with the property of replication. True, it is not yet understood how it arose, but 300 years ago it was not yet understood how a fetus develops in the womb (see “homunculus”).
“That man descended from apes.”
It has been carefully explained, many times over, here and elsewhere, that humans are not descended from apes, rather, humans and apes share common ancestors, as do all forms of life, if you go back far enough.. Even advocates of ID have often admitted this.
“That man thinks he is the highest life form in the universe.”
There are no “higher” or “lower” life forms, except as you single out particular characteristics. Can you reproduce asexually? Bacteria and some other life-forms do. Can you extrude strong silk-like fiber from your abdomen? Spiders do it all the time. Can you determine the size, speed and location of a moving target solely from sound-waves? If you were a bat, you could.
“That the magic dust in space magically came together to form earth.”
Nothing magic about either the dust or how it formed earth: it was gravitational attraction.
Your beliefs are “plausible” only to someone who chooses to rely on ancient texts rather than systematic invest
Abraham Young
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:23pmLLoyd,
Thanks for condescending to explain to us what science is. We will hold you to that definition and demand that you provide proof of your hypothesis, and an explanation for the origin of information in this Kosmos. There’s a prize waiting for you that so far has no winner if you can do so.
Evolution hijacked true science and is the least exact of all the physical sciences.
Darwin’s Delusion – that’s all evolution is. A figment of your imagination, a dogma , a doctrine of faith. Your false god has zero power, to design or build even the simplest biological entity known to exist.
NO FREE LUNCH. You have to prove your theories are reasonable in the real world. Evolution fails to qualify as a real explanation, verified, and accounting for all contradictions.
Heck, if you can come up with ONE phylogenetic tree that y’all can agree on that would be a start to a credible theory.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 4:04pmI sincerely apologize if my comment seemed condescending. People will believe what they will believe, and religion has been a great force for good as well as for ill historically.
But since you ask, here‘s a phylogenetic tree that you’ll surely agree on: the one that links you through a single generation to your father and mother, then through 2 generations to your 4 grandparents, then through 3 generations to your 8 great-parents, and so on. Carry this tree back enough generations, and you’ll find a population, some of whose descendants, in one line of descent, are sitting in zoos playing with their feces, while others, in another line of descent, are sitting in family rooms playing with their game consoles. Fossil evidence, confirmed by genetic evidence, surely proves this beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt.
Of course, since this is science we’re about, rather than mythology. this conclusion could always be disproved by the appearance of some new evidence. If, for example, hominid fossils were found unmistakably alongside trilobite fossils, or if astrophysicists determined somehow that the speed of light has changed over time, so that the Big Bang (Creation, if you like) occurred 13700 and not 13,700,000,000 years ago, I’d be perfectly happy with those conclusions.
Believers, however, will apparently NEVER accept evidence that we descend from common ancestors with apes, or that a worldwide Great Flood 6000 years ago never happened.
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:40amAtheism is a false god. And the Book of Mormon is true.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:05amAtheism says that men are God, and there is no higher, but God is all about spirit, and therefore it may be in men or it may not be in men. It’s funny because many Atheists speak of aliens and other worlds, but then they think “Oh, maybe we don’t want to make contact, because we don’t know how they will be.” Atheists like the concept of aliens to wield as a sword to ruin religion, and yet they don’t really want aliens because the aliens might be more advanced. Atheists just simply don’t want to have to answer to anyone, but themselves.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:10amI see Atheists are on the move to make themselves one of the protected groups, while they play down their numbers which are many, to give the notion they are an endangered species.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:17amStephen Hawking said that very thing about maybe questioning whether or not we should make contact because we don’t know how they will be. As if they don’t already know earth is here.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:38amNothing like uniting people around a ” negative.” As in : ” Hallelujah , I demand my rights to believe in NOTHING !” Whoopee. Just another group of dysfunctional, lost losers. Just what the world needs….not. Just more losers to add to the Democrats’ angry base …
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 12:20pm@Barber2,
Report Post »Why do you think people that don’t believe in a god are all democrats? I am a strong conservative republican. Why do I have to believe in anything other than taking care of my family and living a good life on this giant rock called earth. Why would I have to pray into nothingness for things that I and only I can do for myself. Why would I have to play god if I don’t believe in one? that kind of contradicts itself. God is just a word. Last of all, believers say nonbelievers are satanists.What makes you think if I don’t beilieve in god that I believe in satan. Heaven and hell was created by man to give a base for good and bad that’s all.
dixiedown
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:35amNothing fails like ingratitude.
Report Post »SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:34amI think the photographer caught Geraldo coming off a bender.
Report Post »ChildofJesus
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:32amHe‘s real and he’s alive. What has happened to these poor people that they’re so angry? I can only pray and hope one day they’ll see and be able to healed from that.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:53amBecause these are the types of people who asked God for something and like a light switch, it didn’t instantly happen, so they don’t believe. God answers your prayers, questions and requests, sometimes its no… but when it is yes, it will be done in subtle and often long term ways…
Others see tragedy of a death of a child or loved one and then demand to know why God killed that person or pet or didn’t let them live longer and they see that as there being no God… If God were to save every living thing from tragedy, to swoop down like superman and save us all from an oncoming car, a fall from a later, cancer, etc… then we would stop cherishing life or caring about ourselves and others, since “God will take care of it…” God gave us free will and the ability to make our own destinies from it, we have to lead our lives in good and bad times, struggle and learn, only through challenge can we grow and become stronger and better…
The atheists are like children, they demand instant gratification and instant results… God is not a magician to make rabbits appear, nor is here he to answer and give to every whim or demand, these atheists don’t understand that, they are no free-thinkers, they are closed minded.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:29amCapitalism, your assertion that God answers prayers in subtle ways and sometimes no is wrong. First, Jesus said that if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, that you’ll be able to cast a mountain into the sea. That doesn’t seem to imply that there is ever a no answer. Second, you seem to be assuming that nothing good ever happens on it’s own if you want it to. If something good happens that you were hoping for, that you prayed for, “God did it”. Third, if prayer works, how is it only the prayers with answers that could also be chance get answered. The big prayers, American revival, regrowing lost limbs, healing the paralyzed, world peace, food for the starving, and such never gets answered?
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:35amAs an atheist, I don’t find most of us to be angry. Most of my friends are atheists and we’re just as angry as anyone else.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:03pmwvernon1981 -
Just curious here. What do you think about the Reason Rally?
One of the self-identified atheist posters on HuffPo stated that he felt people were afraid to come out because they would be alienated from the families, harassed by the religious and possibly lose their jobs. Do you agree?
I’m not trying to make an issue, but I would like to hear what you have to say.
Report Post »Blinda
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:23pmWVERNON1981- Your view of Biblical teachings on prayer are inaccurate. If you are going to oppose something so strongly, I would encourage you to learn more about it. First, prayer is meant to align believers with God’s will – not to align God with our will. That is why we pray “Your (God’s) Kingdom come, Your (God’s) will be done.” I can’t just pray to be rich or regrow a leg or any old thing I want. That idea is more Santa Claus than Jesus Christ. In addition to prayers being in His name and according to His will, according to Scripture, we must have the right motives when we pray. We must have forgiven others and have confessed our own sins for prayers to be answered. We must have faith in God to accomplish His will. So there are all these prerequisites to prayer for believers. While Jesus did say with faith the size of a mustard seed, you can move mountains, many people have for hundreds of years believed that was a metaphorical reference to removing obstacles in your life. Don’t get me wrong – I do believe God is strong enough to go throwing around mountains if He wanted to do so. But He doesn’t. There are numerous times when Jesus taught in metaphors & parables so there is no reason to say He was definitely not doing so here. Are there some people who take this teaching literally & say God will give you whatever you pray for? Sure. But that was not what Jesus or early Christians who wrote the New Testament believe and I can prove it…. To be con
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:40pm@WVERNON
You may not be angry, but it sure seems like you are craving some sort of acceptance from people other than those that share your non-belief.
Report Post »Lux
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 1:54pm“One of the most remarkable events in the history of the world happened on the road to Damascus. You know well the story of Saul, a young man who had “made havock of the church, entering into every house … [committing the Saints] to prison.”1 Saul was so hostile that many members of the early Church fled Jerusalem in the hope of escaping his anger.
Saul pursued them. But as he “came near Damascus … suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
“And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?”2
This transformative moment changed Saul forever. Indeed, it changed the world.
God hears and answers the prayers of His children.
Nevertheless, there are some who feel that unless they have an experience similar to Saul’s they cannot believe. They stand at the waters of baptism but do not enter. They wait at the threshold of testimony but cannot bring themselves to acknowledge the truth. Instead of taking small steps of faith on the path of discipleship, they want some dramatic event to compel them to believe.
They spend their days waiting on the road to Damascus… Let us not wait too long on our road to Damascus. Instead, let us courageously move forward in faith, hope, and charity, and we will be blessed with the light we are all seeking upon the path of true discipleship.”
Complete talk:
Report Post »http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2011/04/waiting-on-the-road-to-damascus?lang=eng&query=go
wvernon1981
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:08pmI do feel it’s difficult to come out. I‘ve never felt comfortable saying I’m an atheist to my family because of the negative connotations and the sense of disappointment it brings to them. It’s difficult. I also don’t feel comfortable sharing that with most people I know. I had a friend ask what an agnostic was. I described it. They then said, “Well at least she’s not an atheist then”. It’s difficult right now to be an atheist. People think we’re evil unfortunately. Many of us came to this conclusion while clinging as hard as we could to Jesus yet reason won out.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 4:18pm@WVERNOIN
Why come out then?
You said that most of your friends are atheists. Isn’t that enough?
Why the need for the rest of the world to accept and approve?
Why the need to evangelize?
Just keep it to yourself and your circle of friends. No one will bother you.
You have the right to not believe, and I respect that, just don’t go shoving it down my throat.
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 5:39pmRightsOfBilly, I care about what others believe because it affects what they do. I think it‘s stupid for religious people to use the reasoning they do to justify faith but they’re more than welcome to convince me that they’re right. I don‘t consider the presence of evangelical Christians an imposition on me unless they’re trying to legislate their beliefs into law. I enjoy arguIng with the faithful. It helps me sharpen my own understanding of the world.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 12:10amwvernon1981 – had already answered your question before you asked…. If God swooped down like Superman to save us from every ill, from an oncoming car, from a fall…. to stop grandma from passing away or your pet hamster from passing away, then we’d have not a care in the world and in the end, we’d stop caring about ourselves and others, why should we… “God will take care of it.”
As for disasters, illness, lost limbs…. God made us in his own image… not a man, do you think God was some dude floating out in the void and said “let there by light?” No he gave us what he has… Free Will, and with that he sent upon us a world in which to do as we choose… to use it wisely or foolishly, to help one another or selfishly help only ourselves. We were given the rules, and a roadmap… but it is up to us to decide our own path and destiny, some will fall ill, some won’t, some will strive to find cures, others will build ways to repair limbs, others to predict earthquakes, others to waste their lives as good for nothings, drug addicts or junkies… each person must choose their own destiny, God will not interfere, to do so would make us all stop trying hard to do the right things because we’d always feel “God will just fix it all…” Open your mind, look at the big picture, there is no black & white, only infinite shades of grey….
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:30amThe loss of respect for religion is the dry rot of social institutions. The idea of God as the Creator and Father of all mankind is to the moral world, what gravitation is in the natural; it holds everything else together and causes it to revolve around a common center. Take this away, and any ultimate significance to life falls apart; there is, then, no such thing as collective humanity, but only separate molecules of men and women drifting in the universe, with no more cohesion and no more meaning than so many grains of sand have meaning for the sea.
Report Post »TiocFaidhArLa
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:30amThis is happening because EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUhas failed to protect the values in your country, and instead sit on your butts and type on a computer all day.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:39amTiocFaidhArLa – you actually know what each one of us does or does not do all day?
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:41amHow ironic! :)
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:49am@TiocFaidhArLa
Report Post »All I want to know is how you got this comment on the Blaze without typing it on YOUR computer.
quiltgal
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:18amSeems a pretty sad event to me. People trying to fill up a void in their lives. Nothing to believe in. A lot of wasted time shouting about it. Hatred for those who do believe. Get a life, people.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:27amClick here: If I Were the Devil: Paul Harvey (Warning for a Nation) – YouTube
Paul Harvey’s thoughts coming true!!
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:35amOr try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJc8Mzg0C-c&feature=player_embedded
Report Post »RaydocX
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:18amAmerica was founded by Christians. They saw fit to protect the right of various faiths to practice in this free country. No believers have an equal right to practice their non belief, but instead of living by example a demonstration of the glory of an atheistic life, they choose to attack faith.
I never saw a fellow student forced to pray in school. That would be wrong. It is as unjust for a minority citing ‘potential shame’ and misinterpreting the separation clause to force their sense of right on the majority. By that logic every woman should be forced to endure an abortion… Every male should serve an empathetic prison term… Oh, and we need no longer vote: majority rule has been overturned by legal decision.
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:12amThere is still time to repent – and acknowledge that God is the Creator.
Report Post »When I was a child I spake as a child. It is time to put away childish things, and awake to a new life of love and compassion and tolerance.
DeavonReye
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:45pmFunny, . . . the “child” thing is what others think about those who must insist on an unseen entity that is watching you do everything you do ready to write it down in a book in order to pass judgement and punish at a later date. Show me this entity and maybe I will be more likely to see your point.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:11amI am a Christian. Why do they get to tell us how to believe? I dont tell them how to believe. Just ignore the Churches on every corner and I will ignore your secular humanism in every other aspect of human life.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:04amMay GOD have mercy on them. They are so very, terribly, horribly lost.
Report Post »Charles
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:31amI find no sympathy in my heart for them. They are the enemy of good, the enemy of love. They bow to evil and are quite intentionally on the side of evil. I do feel deep sympathy for their children. I’ve met them and worked with them. These peoples children have been so polluted spiritually and mentally that if Jesus came to their door he would be chased away with hatred scorn and cursing. If satan came by 5 minutes later he would be graciously welcomed into their home and invited to stay. Have a conversation with just about any student from a university. All art students come away decidedly on the side of emptiness and darkness. Satan is a happy camper today.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:51amCharles,
Report Post »Yes, but why not forgive their trespasses, because it’s the law that will condemn them, and not the Lord. And if you can not forgive a lesser person of their trespasses, then it means you haven’t forgiven a higher of their trespasses – perhaps a parent. Additionally, if you can not forgive a lesser of their trespasses, then what foundation do you make the claim God should forgive you who are a lesser of your trespasses?
barber2
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 11:01amCHARLES: Timmy is playing you with Saul Alinsky Rule # 4: “Make your opponents live up to their own set of rules.” ( If you haven’ read old Saul, you should. He is the Left’s political Bible .)
Report Post »pantokrator
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 12:40pmYou can’t talk like that, Charles. It’s the talk that fuels the motive that these Atheists are standing for. You can‘t just write them off and say they can’t be saved. “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in Heaven.” Mathew 5:43-44.
If we show no sympathy to those who show none to us, then where does it end? Who’s going to be the better man, or better woman if we aren’t?
Report Post »Hiswill
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:23pmOur church welcomes all who enter. It’s our job as Christians to love Atheist, as God loves us. Don’t shun them, curse them or ridicule them. We (Christians) are shepherds and it’s our job to gather sheep, not chase them away.
Report Post »I claimed to be an Atheist as a teen. It took the love of Christian friends to show me God’s truth, love and happiness. I’ll never be able to thank them enough for bringing me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray that all people will one day know that joy.
Christians get out there and show Atheists Gods love and don’t give up.
Cesium
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:51am@kickagrandma And you are so very terribly deluded.. check
Report Post »Annika2011
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:03am@Barber2
Report Post »I just googled Alinsky’s rules.
Very easy. They (liberals) all use them.
Especially ridicule.
And the original dedication of the book
Was to Satan !
Itsjusttim
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:03amYeah, just keep on saying God is a myth. The more you say the better your reaction to God will be satisfying.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:34amIt’s interesting that in all the ages God only showed his backside, because people would surely die if they saw the face of God, because they would think “How could this be God” and their spirit would surely die. Therefore when God comes to open the Book of Judgment, the Lord will show his face, and those who are living will say in their heart “This is God”, and those who are truly the walking dead will say “This can not be God.” And it’s like that they will be sealed.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:40amELIASIUM… God says “ go away”….
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:00amThis is why it is faith. You don’t have to have if you choose not but why attack those who do?
Report Post »I don’t make fun of the lunacy that is evolution! There is no more physical proof of evolution than there is of creation.
Again, it is FAITH. Get over it!
macpappy
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 9:59amDon’t be fooled America, we are being played.
Report Post »Who cares if you believe, or not; the media is hand feeding you the stories that they think will sell, and keeping from you the stories that are really important.
Where is the story on the US building Mosgue all over the world, at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Where is the story of the coupe in china.
This is not news.
sallyredneck
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 10:35amYes Macpappy you are so right, the religion of Atheist is fine with me, as it is with most Christians just as we respect God is not part of there world, you would think that they would show respect for those who want to be in God’s presence, so why even give them a story.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 5:04pmA coupe is a car and I don’t know what a mosgue is unless it’s some kind of combination mosque and morgue.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 9:59amI feel sad for these people. Not only will they have to answer to God for their own disbelief they will also have to answer to Him for every soul led astray by their teaching that there is no God.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:51amHa ha.. you feel sad.. sucks for you!
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:44pmWhy would anyone worship an entity who would use unreasonable gullibility as the only criteria for redemption, . . . .punishing those who aren’t convinced? That’s psychotic. O_o
Report Post »hi
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 9:51amJesus on the dinosaur said only the Bible talks about Jesus. Non-biblical historical sources that wrote about Jesus: Tacitus, Pliny the Elder, Josephus
Report Post »randy
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 9:57amDid S.E. Cupp attend?
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 12:19pm“Non-biblical historical sources that wrote about Jesus: Tacitus, Pliny the Elder, Josephus.” Also the Koran.
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on March 25, 2012 at 3:31pmTHE NEW RELIGION = ATHEISM – (Well, maybe not so new, just reformed a bit)
FAITH = in themselves. Oh, and of course in THE ALL KNOWING science.
RIGHTEOUSNESS = what THEY say is right instead of what GOD says is right.
WISDOM = their ARROGANCE.
BELIEVE = they BELIEVE there is no God.
BOOKS = about humanism instead of the BIBLE about God.
WORSHIP = of each other and self. And at THE LAB OF SCIENTISTS, of course.
CHURCHES = schools, colleges and universities.
PUNISHMENT = death penalty for the unborn child that has the nerve to come along at the wrong time.
And now they are actually building a church to NOTHING in England. Imagine that!
Now, since it is a church for believers in NOTHING to NOTHING I wonder, will it be invisible? How will NOTHINGISTS find it then?
And there is already a lot of satanic music out there to go along with their worship.
Is it not great to be a NOTHINGIST? Well, maybe not so much because, unfortunately, they are useful tools for satan.
Do they have some kind of blessing they give each other? Does anyone know?
Now they are all set to grow by leaps and bounds with their revival meetings and evangelizing.
They are so stupid, they don’t even recognize that they ARE all about a religion of atheism or nothingism.
But then how can they really know.
Ecclesiastes 10:2
A wise man’s heart is at his right hand, but a fools heart at his left.
And I don’t think there is any doubt about their foo
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