‘God Is Dead’: Catholic Priest Slams Atheism in New Spoken-Word Video Performance
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Catholic priest and spoken-word artist Fr. Pontifex
Fr. Pontifex is not just a Catholic priest, but he’s also a successful hip-hop artist who gained notoriety after he responded to Jefferson Bethke’s “Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus.”
Now, he’s back with a new clip, this time taking aim at atheist activism. His new spoken word clip, entitled, “God is dead,” delves deeply into secularism in an attempt to debunk its claims.
A description of the video reads:
This video is in response to the claims of the “New Atheism.” One that has been presented by the likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens. One who holds faith is NOT irrational. Science and reason are not incompatible with faith — in fact they compliment each other very well because they come from the same source, God. We hope that this video touches the hearts of many people.
“God is dead or a delusion that’s what they say, the opiate of the masses just to get through the day,” Fr. Pontifex says in the opening of the clip.
“Arrogant thinkers who quote scientists, philosophers and more with eloquent articulations and academic insulations with an infantile core,” he adds.
The hip-hopping priest goes on to tackle the commonly-held atheist claim that the world would be a better, safer, calmer and more prosperous place without religion. He charges that those who deny God and faith are actually turning a blind eye to truth.
Here are some of the other lyrics from the video:
But you say without religion peace and harmony will thrive? The Spanish Inquisition three thousand, the Salem witch trials nineteen, but millions upon millions slaughtered in atheistic regimes How dark this world would be without faith, love and Divine light, We all have a conscience discerning what’s wrong and right Each human heart desires much more than this life can’t get, To deny the existence of a Transcendent God is the ultimate opiate, You can numb the minds assent to the truth and faith you can refuse, But In the end man stands between God and nothingness and He must choose.
Watch it, below:
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Comments (304)
charles116
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:59pmDon’t forget, as this guy seems too, Muslims also have a religion.
Report Post »And think THEIR cause is justified by that religion and THEIR notion of god -Allah.
He seems to be forgetting that.
Islamic countries are not athiest countries.
Another point “Einstein’ seems to have overlooked.
stage9
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:12pmOne religion gave rise to the single greatest free nation the world has ever known. The other gave rise to global terrorism and seeks to murder and enslave. Reason and common sense is required to distinguish which is which, but unfortunately spoiled, self-hating Westerners are too dense to appreciate the value of a free society. They’d rather live as slaves.
Report Post »noah2854
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:18pmlet me tell you donkey that knows it all islam is NOT a religion is a cult of evil MFS that like to control everything and they are the precursors of slavery . islam meaning is I submit or enslave you in the name of allah .
Report Post »noah2854
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:21pmcharle116 knows it all .
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:26pmStage
Report Post »Great post!
PJL
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:45pmHe meant religion as a hole, braineack.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:13pmIslam… is a Theocracy… with an Agenda to take over the World; It is Insane to attempt to reason with the Insane!
Report Post »elfman
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:25pmnoah2854
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:18pm
“let me tell you donkey that knows it all islam is NOT a religion is a cult …”
As if the two are mutually exclusive.
Religion: Noun: 1.The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
I’m an objectivist (an atheistic ideology) and have nothing against religions that lead people to happiness such as Christianity and its profound benefit to humanity. But Christians who malign atheists in general by lumping us all together then have to take responsibility for the islamists in order to be logically consistent.
Report Post »RepentYe
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:49pm@charles116 Ok lab partner lets get a few things straight. Yes, Adolf Hitler was not what one could call a traditional atheist, however, he was a piker compared with Stalin alone. Instantly everyone thinks of Hitler as the shining example of murder, yet the author of this piece never mentioned any one atheist ruler by name. It has been estimated that Stalin butchered 20 millions of his own citizens, for those of you who only can count to the extent of your ten fingers and ten toes, that is a much larger number than the “mere” 6 millions put in Adolfs column. Stalin, unlike Adolf, was very much an atheist, systematically shutting down churches and teaching school children how the bible was nothing more than a series of fairy tales. Then you compare that to Chairman Mao’s (another devout atheist) 50-70 million and you can see that Stalin was a Sunday School teacher in comparison. Then there is the fact of percentages. Pol Pot, an atheist in the vain of Mao, taking Karl Marx’s words as gospel killed 1 million + of his own countrymen. This was his way of achieving the necessary reduction in the populace advocated by Marx. You know that nasty 20% that would not accept the enlightened communistic/atheistic dogma no matter how hard you tried to re-educate them. (see communist manifesto if you are a little hazy on the details) So go get some more enlightenment before you make another fool of yourself.
Report Post »Central washington
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:00amMuslims have no redeemer and therefore they have no way of getting to Heaven. Only Jesus has paid that price and those who have repented and live for Jesus have their sins paid for. If you study bible prophecy you will see that our Lord is returning soon. The reemergence of Israel in 48 and the near universal hatred of Israel are some of the prophecies being fullfilled right before His return.
Report Post »destrecht
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:06amYeah, the muslim have caused much death- but not anywhere near what was caused by Atheism. 120 million dead in just two regimes. That’s almost half of the us.
Report Post »HapHarris
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:06amIslam is not a religion…Islam is an Insanity. Allah is not God-! Allah is Satan masquerading as God. There is only One Religion and only One God…and that is: the Triune God: Father-Son-Holy Spirit. No one can come to the Father but through Jesus Christ.
Report Post »elfman
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:14amdestrecht
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:06am
“Yeah, the muslim have caused much death- but not anywhere near what was caused by Atheism. 120 million dead in just two regimes. That’s almost half of the us.”
This guy claims Muslims have killed 600 million Hindus alone:
Report Post »http://www.topix.com/forum/world/denmark/TO3193C00196APMLI
REPUB1
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:52amstage9
Report Post »youre WRONG it was NOT religion that founded this Country it Was GOD NOT MAN GET IT??
PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:42amExcept one thing: Muslims do NOT worship the GOD of ABRAHAM, ISAAC and JACOB! Muslims worship a man-made version of satan. Do you honestly think they could worship the GOD of the UNIVERSE (the Creator of All Things) and hate His chosen people? And strap bombs to their babies, beat up their women and kill their daughters if they knew the real God? There is EVIL/There is GOOD.
Report Post »The time is coming for the showdown. Don’t put them on the same plane as those who worship the Creator of the Universe. They simply took pieces of the the Christian Bible, Parts of the Old Testament and added their own inept human slant. I do pray for their rank and file. I feel sorry for them. They get trapped into being Muslims on the basis of PEACE and then realize it’s just a ploy. The REAL GOD doesn’t threaten people. HE gave us free will and waits patiently to see us make choices…so How do you tell the difference? They Hate God’s Chosen People; They Force people to worship; They promote hatred and murder and don’t seek Love. They are so Satanic.
AN ATHEIST: Is a person who, by his own WILL decides that he loves himself more than he dare love anyone one else. HE chooses to deny GOD. He lets his human nature (the one tainted by the original sin) rule his life. He is an Atheist by choice because following GOD would require him to be obedient and faithful, decent and honorable when it’s so much easier to be evil.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 6:42amJZS says:
Report Post »” Is this one of those guys who molested young boys using his position as pastor and a man of God to get these kids to do whatever.”
Striking at those homosexual pastors are you? Seems that you are becoming a bit homophobic don’t you think?
As far as that goes, where do you think these homosexual boy molester characters are attracted to work? Why, our schools, churches, Boy Scouts, Boys and Girls Clubs, coaching staffs a la Jerry Sandusky. It’s called recruiting, and I would think that somebody with your ‘open’ progressive mind would rationalize allowances for this type of activity. It ain’t the church, it’s the criminal individual. Although I will certainly admit that the Catholic Church did handle this poorly. But not all of your homosexual boy molesters that hide amongst the religious are Catholic. Those homosexual boy molesters can be found in most religions as well.
SonOfThunder
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 6:51amNotice no gospel spoken and no Jesus from this guy. It is exactly what you get at a catholic church. Catholics believe Jesus plus works for salvation. Christians believe Jesus alone faith alone is the road to heaven. Ephesians 2 8-10 rexcella
. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Repent and trust in Jesus and you will be saved.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:01amWithout religion peace and harmony will thrive? I gather they mean on earth. Anyway…
I am very confident many will find out real soon whether or not this is true (on earth). Soon, we will all see just how ALIVE God is. Maranatha!
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 9:04amJZS
“Is this one of those guys who molested young boys using his position as pastor and a man of God to get these kids to do whatever?”
No, you’re thinking of the rabid homosexuals, like you, who finagle themselves into the priesthood, Boy Scouts, youth counselors, etc, who we constantly work to get rid of.
Too, don’t confuse this guy with the Muslim imam who declared homosexuals are pigs, or the ones who were shown in the photo in an article on here who were hanging homosexuals in Iran.
I hope this helps clear up your confusion.
Report Post »obrien871
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 10:50amIslam is not a religion its a vicious violent intolerant ‘ideology’ that extorts its members to maim and kill. Mohammad was pedophile murderous desert pirate no more and no less. If someone offend ‘him’ he’d order their head chopped and laugh about it. Je and his generals slaughtered entire cities and saved th women for s3x slave Mohammad had 23 himself. Covert (submit), pay extortion money (infidel tax), or die. That’s not Christianity or any other religion earth. My belief is it bares all the monikers of Satan himself.
They say you can tell the greatness of a nation by whether it has to build walls to keep others out or it’s own people in.
Islam is the only ‘religion’ on earth that requires te death penalty for those that try and leave… Apostate… That’s about as high a wall to keep people in as you can build. Says it all.
Report Post »espersemper
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 11:18amIslam is an Ideology. A religion would never cut female genitals,stone and degrade. A religion would not hang gays or declare Fatwas on the Infidels… Islam is an ideology. God is greater than Sharia, than communism and all other atheist fights for power. From God to man. Ultimately it is up to man to do his best, be good, love and thank God for his mercy.
Report Post »Proving God does not exist is harder than cutting throats.
Legion5
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 11:31amOne should also know that Islam’s Allah was chosen by the profit Muhammad from their pagan gods to be the god of Islam. Allah was the pagan god of the moon…
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 11:51am@stage9
Report Post »So you think only Christians founded this country? If that is so, you know absolutely nothing about the pioneers that broke this land. Some of the very first settellers, were Jewish, many were non religious Germans, Jewish Germans, and yes Islamist too. But, even more than any of those are the good ole folks that were trying to get away of forced religion of any kind.
Read up, just a little on our history.
jzs
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:01pmI see several posters here are confused. If being homosexual made guys want to have sex with young boys, then being heterosexual would make a person want to have sex with young girls. Now, in your case that may be true, hence the confusion. But the correct word is actually pedophilia, not heterosexuality.
Report Post »THBarb
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 1:06pmOh poor Charles116. Your faith in whatever has imprisoned you like your avatar (btw – you look a lot like George Z) shows while my faith in Jesus has set me free. I think Fr Pontifex empasis was on Faith, not on relegion. We all have it but what is it based on? I am a Protestant and I agree with this Catholic that faith should be based on the Creator God and His written Word. Muslims base their faith on the lies of Mohamad. Atheists base their faith on everthing came from nothing. I have tested my faith and it rests on Jesus. How can you test your faith when it rests on…NOTHING!
Report Post »Ballot_Box_Revolution
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 1:24pmI am not religious, but i do believe in God. To me religion is the politics of God…each clique with their own views on how God should be celebrated.
Yes Muslims have a religion also. Wars have been fought over religion, blood has been shed in the name of “the correct alter”. Given that, as bad as it sounds and IS. I would much rather have these wars, and blood shed than to be enslaved by the elites in the human race. I don’t want to be told what i can and can not believe in. Do religious wars do this? Yeah to an extent…but what religion can’t do (at least in America, while we still have a constitution and struggle live by it) is legally control me or enslave me. They can shun me, and tell me I am not right in their version of Gods eyes, but they can’t imprison me or take away my freedom.
The problem is not God, it is people who put their alters above God. I do not choose sides in religious wars, and if everyone else did the same there wouldn’t be religious wars…Just different opinions…..
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 1:30pmYou ‘christians’ really like to trash other religions to make your non-points.
Report Post »AS to female genital mutilations – the Republicans should get to that, next month.
charles116
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 1:32pmOme mo’ time.
Report Post »This is NOT a christian nation,
And was not founded as one.
Theocratic rule is why the Founding Fathers left England.
AND to slip out on tons of personal debt.
Words to the wise, taking history lessons from Bachmann and Palin is not a good thing.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:38pmJZS, Nice try, but yeah, there are some heterosexuals who do want to have sex illegally with young girls. As for that matter, both sexes. But for a male to have sex with a younger male, he still has to be a homosexual. And, it is within those professions, and volunteer positions is where many who seek such activity go to essentially hide in plane site. You are wrong about it being the church itself. Like I said, it is the activity of the individual criminal.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:51pmCHUCKIE116, You are sort of half right, but apparently all Left. Yes, this nation was started by those escaping more or less a theocratic rule, or simply that they as subjects of let’s say the King of England, had to stay as members of the Church of England. And, so forth in other in other European nations. They brought with them their various forms of the Christian religions to include the Church of England which we now know as the Episcopalian Church. This nation was founded primarily by Christians, and our founding fathers remained primarily Christian as well. Yes, we established as a Christian Nation because the people were mostly Christian. But, being the good Christians they were they wrote into the Constitution that a national church or religion would not be established. Yeah I know, the old English wording used is not twisted by the likes of you, but that same Constitution gives you the right to be an atheist without prosecution or persecution. I certainly have no argument with you over that fact. My argument is that you and your ilk are here to shove your own form of persecution onto the Christians. You certainly do not live by a “live and let live” nature, and your attacking comments will continue to draw our disdain.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 3:07pmjzs
“If being homosexual made guys want to have sex with young boys, then being heterosexual would make a person want to have sex with young girls. Now, in your case that may be true, hence the confusion. But the correct word is actually pedophilia, not heterosexuality.”
No, you’re a bit off again.
The correct term is deviant sexual behavior which is an anomaly of nature, like homosexuality and beastiality and pedophilia.
All three are mental disorders and all three are quite often interchangeable with one another.
To say that homosexuality is somehow a better sexual deviation than pedophilia or is aside and apart from pedophilia misses the mark since many homosexuals turn to young boys….like those who enter the priest hood….because they can’t acquire same sex partners outside a profession where they have a measure of control over a victim and can force themselves on them.
Homosexuaity and beastiality are very similar mental disorders in that they involve perpetrators who are attracted to creatures other than the opposite sex of their own species.
There’s a very strong inclination embeded in every living creature to perpetuate his species, and any kind of deviation from that comes about as a result of a mental abberration, whether it is an urge to couple with objects, animals or those of the same sex.
Revulsion and disgust of these things are what nature instilled in each of us. It has nothing to do with religion.
Report Post »AnnBernadette
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 3:46pmWhy would a Catholic priest be talking about the Muslim Religion? If you answer that than maybe I can understand what you posted.
Report Post »princessnutsack
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 4:25pmleigon5 is right, originally islam was a polytheistic religion, and allah was a moon god.
Report Post »cgnick
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 8:49pm@ Independant
Report Post »“Revulsion and disgust of these things are what nature instilled in each of us. It has nothing to do with religion.”
So you are saying that your hatred comes naturally? Then why do most people who hate gays hide behind religious reasoning? Look at all the preachers here on the Blaze posting bible quote after bible quote for their reasoning for hate. It is fact that hatred is a learned behavior.
jzs
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 10:33pmRJJinGadsden I see you changed your tune from your first post to your second, but for the better I think. Your first comment associated homosexuality with abuse of young boys, but in your second comment you suggest that sometimes heterosexual males sometimes have the desire and act on that desire to abuse young females.
You’re getting there RJJ, but your wrong in both cases. People don’t abuse young boys or girls because they are heterosexual. That’s false. Heterosexuals are not by nature abusers of young children, as much as you might think they are, and as much as you might hear about young girls getting raped in the news. People who want to have sex with young children are pedophiles, not heterosexuals. Please make that distinction.
RJJ, of course pedophilia has nothing to do with religious beliefs. That’s troll stuff, with no more meaning that saying all Muslims are terrorist. Don’t pretend to be totally stupid just to make your friends here happy okay?
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 10:49pmcgnick
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 8:49pm
@ Independant
“So you are saying that your hatred comes naturally? Then why do most people who hate gays hide behind religious reasoning? Look at all the preachers here on the Blaze posting bible quote after bible quote for their reasoning for hate. It is fact that hatred is a learned behavior.”
Of course revulsion and disgust comes naturally regarding deviant sexual behavior of any kind. Why would it not? Do you think that any species would survive accepting anything that would cause it to stop procreating?
It is the in-your-face rabid homosexuals who cause that revulsion and disgust to turn to hate.
And regarding Christians…I’m agnostic….the unmitigated hatred is almost exclusively by homosexuals against Christians even though every religion I’m familiar with does not accept homosexuality, especially Muslims and orthodox Jews, not just Christians and it is not just Christian preacher who rail against sexual deviancy, yet it is only Christians that are hated and demonized by homosexual activists with non-stop hate speech.
“Then why do most people who hate gays hide behind religious reasoning?”
They don’t “hide” behind anything. It is homosexuals with their hysterical shrieking about hatred who hide behind the insult, because they’re too mentally disturbed to understand the normal mind. They need intense psychotherapy…like drug addicts and alcoholics…. to overcome their illness.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:30am@charles116
Hi, Charles. I want to apologize to you for the fact that so few commenters have even bothered to TRY to answer your comment. Instead, they immediately launch a reactionary attack or worse, they ignore your argument and bloviate on their favorite – whatever.
I’m not going to do that to you. I will say that it‘s obvious you didn’t listen to the clip of the preacher. His only cause was to disagree that “there is no god”. That was his only message.
Your point regarding Muslims is completely irrelevant to the article and the discussion. That‘s probably why people’s reaction was so viceral, though it doesn’t excuse their bad behavior.
Still, their behavior doesn’t excuse your own. Before you race to the bottom of the article to spout off in the comments section, you might want to make sure you’re coming to the party with some ammunition, or you sound like a dolt.
Good luck.
Report Post »Doconicus
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 8:50amLest we forget,
Stalin, 20-35 million deaths -Marxist
Hitler 6-12 million Yes, Hitler was an atheist, he believed he could invent a new religion…look it up.
Pol Pot 6-14 million
Margaret Sanger and the progress movement 53-70 million
Central American Marxist movement 4-11 million
SE Asian Communist movements (Korea Viet Nam) 18-29 million
African Communist conflicts 11-21 million
South American communist conflict 3-7 million
and on and on.
So if you think you’re justified in mocking this priest, “wasn’t he one of the child molesting guys?” Think of this: A handful of Priests got through their system and commited the crimes. Yes crimes, the very same crime that is committed in every single school in every single school district in every single county and parish in every single state in this country. …they yes, they are all atheist/secularist schools.
Atheists are the worst.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 9:17amJZS
“People who want to have sex with young children are pedophiles, not heterosexuals. Please make that distinction.”
Yes, they’re pedophiles, and the illness they’re burdened with involves deviant sexual behavior like homosexuality and beastiality.
It is NOT priests, counsellors, Boy Scout leaders and the like, who molest young boys. It is HOMOSEXUALS who do that. They seek our those positions in order to be in a situation where they can use their authority to force themselves on innocent victims who they abuse as part of their ongoing quest to ply their homosexual depravity.
And they obtain those positions by trying to flim flam people into believing homosexuality has parity with heterosexuality and that it is not the same as other mental disorders, like beastiality and pedophilia.
Homosexuals want males. It doesn’t matter to them if they are men or boys, just as other deviants want animals and objects.
It was politics, not science, that removed homosexuality as a mental disorder by the psychiatric association in 1973….after thousands of years of being regarded by mankind as a definite mental illness…. strictly as a matter of politics after homosexuals inundated the profession.
Report Post »boyd9
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 12:24pmGod apparently believes in Freedom of Religion-He does not interfere with our decision regarding what to believe or how to worship unless we ask Him for guidance. God apparently believes in Free Speech-He does not silence anyone including atheists who denounce Him.
Report Post »I believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ has as its foundation two great principles–Love of God and Love of Others. If we live the Gospel we have to practice both of these fundamental principles together and if we do then it impossible to harm others or deny the freedoms God gives us to others as a pretense for loving God. Just because we are not able to live the gospel correctly doesn‘t mean the gospel isn’t true or God doesn’t exist, it just means we are imperfect and struggle living up to the perfect principles God gave us.
charles116
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:54pmThis guy DESPERATELY needs some history lessons.
Report Post »radargeek
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:14pmYou obviously have no clue on history. Did you go to public school? I shows…
Report Post »noah2854
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:22pmcharles you are the one who really needs to go back to school . Oh I can see you knows it all .
Report Post »neffy812
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:14pmRight on. By the way, what the F is an “atheist regime”? Never heard of that.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 6:48amCHUCKIE116, Feel free to elaborate in length your history lesson. Most of us would really love to read it.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 6:51amNEFFY812,
Report Post »“By the way, what the F is an “atheist regime”? Never heard of that.”
Generally, in modern times they have been communist states. In history, they have been other totalitarian states that disallowed religion. It‘s a part of the states’ control.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:59pmCHUCKIE116 says:
“This guy DESPERATELY needs some history lessons.”
Okay Chuckie, still waiting for that history lesson. Surely, you can type a few more words than your usual short derogatory attacks. Or, can you?
Report Post »stage9
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:20pmWRONG AGAIN!
A religion is not defined by its abuses. What we must look to is the essential teaching of what a religion says, not merely at its abuse, and judge it from that perspective. Is taking up the sword in the name of Jesus to promote Christianity consistent with what Jesus affirmed? No it is not. We could ask the same of Islam or Hinduism or Buddhism.
Much of the blood shed in the 20th century was the result of atheist ideologues. It’s ironic that religion gets the blame for violence, but critics of religion are silent when a secular or atheistic faith—such as that of Stalin or Mao Tse-tung—wreaks utter destruction on millions upon millions of lives.
It has been estimated that in less than the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel’s mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.
Thus it is not religion per se that perpetrates violence, but a certain mindset that seeks to use an ideology or a religious justification to control people’s thinking and restrain the most fundamental freedoms.
Report Post »stage9
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:21pmSO DO YOU!
“[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)
“In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” — John Quincy Adams (Sixth President of the United States; Diplomat; Secretary of State; U.S. Senator; US Representative)
“Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle… In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity… That was the religion of the founders of the republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.”9. — Congress, U. S. House Judiciary Committee, 1854
“The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”8 — Congress 1854
Report Post »stage9
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:22pm“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.” 1. — John Adams (Signer of the Declaration; Judge; Diplomat; One of the Two Signers of the Bill of Rights, Second President of the United States)
“There must be religion. When that ligament is torn, society is disjointed and its members perish… [T]he most important of all lessons is the denunciation of ruin to every state that rejects the precepts of religion.”29 — Gouverneur Morris (Revolutionary Officer; Member of the Continental Congress; signer of the Constitution; Penman of the Constitution; Diplomat; US Senator)
“[Governments] could not give the rights essential to happiness… We claim them from a higher source: from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.10. — John Dickenson (Signer of the Constitution; Governor of Pennsylvania; Governor of Deleware; General in the American Revolution)
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Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:23pmAccording to the book “The Black Book of Communism” more than 94 million people have died under the sickening lie of atheistic communism:
65 million in the People’s Republic of China
Report Post »20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America
10,000 deaths “resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power.
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Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:24pm* Harvard University – Reverend John Harvard gave half his property and his entire library to start this world renowned institution. Harvard’s original motto was: “For Christ and the Church.” The goal of a Harvard education was to establish Christian principles in the minds of students according to the Word of God. In addition to ministers, Harvard also produced some of the greatest statesmen of the 1700s, such as, John Hancock, John Adams, and Samuel Adams.
* Yale University – Yale was patterned after the design of Harvard. The founders of Yale were authorized to create an institution where “youth may be instructed in the Arts and Sciences who through the blessing of Almighty God may be fit for employment both in the Church and Civil State.” Three Yale graduates were: the inventor Eli Whitney, the educator and author Noah Webster, and the patriot Nathan Hale who just before being hanged by the British said, “I regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.”
* Princeton University – Reverend Jonathan Dickson, Princeton’s first president, once said, “Cursed be all learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.” Established during the First Great Awakening, the college was a direct result of spiritual revival and a recommitment of the early colonies to further a degree of excellence in education. Later, under President Jonathan Edwards, the school took on a missionary zeal to minister to the American Indians.
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Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:35pmUS CAPITOL BUILDING
Report Post »- In the United States Capitol the declaration `In God We Trust’ is prominently displayed in both the United States House and Senate Chambers.
- Around the top of the walls in the House Chamber appear images of 23 great lawgivers from across the centuries, but Moses (the lawgiver, who–according to the Bible–originally received the law from God,) is the only lawgiver honored with a full face view, looking down on the proceedings of the House.
- Religious artwork is found throughout the United States Capitol, including in the Rotunda where the prayer service of Christopher Columbus, the Baptism of Pocahontas, and the prayer and Bible study of the Pilgrims are all prominently displayed.
- In the Cox Corridor of the Capitol are inscribed the words `America! God shed His grace on thee’.
- At the east Senate entrance of the Capitol are the words `Annuit Coeptis’ which is Latin for `God has favored our undertakings’.
- In 1954 a special Congressional Prayer Room was added to the Capitol with a kneeling bench, an altar, an open Bible, an inspiring stained-glass window with George Washington kneeling in prayer, the declaration of Psalm 16:1: `Preserve me, O God, for in Thee do I put my trust,’ and the phrase `This Nation Under God’ displayed above the kneeling, prayerful Washington.
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Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:36pm- in 1864, Congress passed an act authorizing each State to display statues of 2 of its heroes in the United States Capitol, resulting in numerous statues of noted Christian clergymen and leaders at the Capitol, including Gospel ministers such as the Revs. James A. Garfield, John Peter Muhlenberg, Jonathan Trumbull, Roger Williams, Jason Lee, Marcus Whitman, and Martin Luther King Jr.; Gospel theologians such as Roger Sherman; Catholic priests such as Father Damien, Jacques Marquette, Eusebio Kino, and Junipero Serra; Catholic nuns such as Mother Joseph; and numerous other religious leaders.
NATIONAL ARCHIVES
- The Ten Commandments are found in many Federal buildings across Washington, DC, including in bronze in the floor of the National Archives.
LIBRARY OF CONGRESS
Report Post »- The Ten Commandments are found in a bronze statue of Moses in the Main Reading Room of the Library of Congress.
- In the Library of Congress, The Giant Bible of Mainz, and The Gutenberg Bible are on prominent permanent display and etched on the walls are Bible verses, including: `The light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not’ (John 1:5); `Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore, get wisdom and with all thy getting, get understanding’ (Proverbs 4:7); `What doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God’ (Micah 6:8); and `The heavens declare the Glory of God, and the firmament showeth His handiwork’ (Psalm 19:1).
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Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:36pmSUPREME COURT
- The Ten Commandments are found in numerous locations at the U.S. Supreme Court, including in the frieze above the Justices, the oak door at the rear of the Chamber, the gable apex, and in dozens of locations on the bronze latticework surrounding the Supreme Court Bar seating.
JEFFERSON MEMORIAL
Report Post »- Of the 5 areas inside the Jefferson Memorial into which Jefferson’s words have been carved, 4 are God-centered, including Jefferson’s declaration that `God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever’;
- The Lincoln Memorial contains numerous acknowledgments of God and citations of Bible verses, including the declarations that `we here highly resolve that … this nation under God … shall not perish from the earth’.
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Posted on June 10, 2012 at 7:36pmLINCOLN MEMORIAL
- The Lincoln Memorial also reads: `The Almighty has His own purposes. `Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh’ (Matthew 18:7); `as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said `the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether’ (Psalms 19:9); `one day every valley shall be exalted and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh see it togetherÌ (Dr. Martin Luther KingÌs speech, based on Isaiah 40:4-5).
LIBERTY BELL
- The Liberty Bell was named for the Biblical inscription from Leviticus 25:10 emblazoned around it: `Proclaim liberty throughout the land, to all the inhabitants thereof’.”
WASHINGTON MONUMENT
Report Post »- In the Washington Monument are numerous Bible verses and religious acknowledgements carved on memorial blocks in the walls, including the phrases: `Holiness to the Lord’ (Exodus 28:26, 30:30, Isaiah 23:18, Zechariah 14:20), `Search the Scriptures’ (John 5:39), `The memory of the just is blessed’ (Proverbs 10:7), `May Heaven to this Union continue its beneficence’, and `In God We Trust’, but the Latin inscription Laus Deo meaning `Praise be to God‘ is engraved on the monument’s capstone.”
Jaycen
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:33am@charles116
Funny. I was just thinking you could use some courtesy lessons.
Best Wishes.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:51pmThis guy is none too bright.
Report Post »The Nazis were not athiests, They were killing the ‘Christ Killers’.
What a hypocrite. The Crusades, The Inquisition.
RELIGION has caused ten times as many death as athiesm
SacredHonor1776
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:03pmThe Nazis were neither Christians nor Athiests… Strange mix of Norse mythology and paganism… They came from many walks of life…
The churches started worshiping Hitler more than they worshiped god…
You have individuals like Niemoler and Dietrich Bonehoffer who resisted… Of course there were others from all walks of life, Shindler… Too many to name…
But the greater population of Germany, many Christians, agnostics, athiests, secularists, pagan cultists (Thule Society), all fell of the cliff so to speak… By the end, the churches didn’t resemble any Christian church anywhere else int he world, and looked more like a weird mix of pagan beliefs… These pagan beliefs of racial superiority were taught even in the secularist circles as well…
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:08pmAlso people don‘t realize this but any Christians that didnt’ falter, and join into the warped counterfeits put into place by the Nazis were persecuted themselves… Many Christians died in the concentration camps along with the Jews.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:09pmBtw, you are none to bright to think things were a matter of ‘black and white’, and that Nazis were ‘only Christians’… Makes you pretty ignorant even and prejudiced…!
Report Post »radargeek
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:12pmThe nazis were not Christians, they were socialist that believed in mystic philosophies. Please go to school and learn history.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:25pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_Nazi_Germany
Then there was Julfest… the nazi version of “Christmas/Happy Holidays”… Where they stripped the Christian beliefs out of the holidays, in order to get back to the traditional European and Germanic traditions associated with the winter festival…
You can find where they stripped Christ out of alot of things… If they incorporated him at all, he was an ‘Aryan’, rather than of Jewish Heritage or a ‘god’.. The corruption of the churches was mainly done for purpose of control, and brain washing purposes…
The nazis didn‘t like their counterparts the ’godless communists’ though! They also didn’t much like the left-leaning ‘freigeist’ (athiest movement, which they thought had ties to the communists).
But in the end the ‘religions’ in Nazi Germany, were hardly ‘true’ Christianity or traditional paganism… It was a weird cultish mix-mash of occultic beliefs, and some were members of a twisted so called “Positive Christionity”, in which Hitler took on Messianic traits….
Report Post »GBGL
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:40pmLets see: Lenin,Stalin, Pol-Pot, Mao et al> Their murderous numbers add up.
Report Post »artman54
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:43pmAtheist have no God to stand up for. All they have is a simple belief that they owe no one nor anything for their existence. What a selfish and scared way to live. To be so self centered must be sad. There is a Higher Power why don’t you try and understand that so true happiness might come your way. Also seeing how your so cheap on wisdom and intelligence the cool thing about believing is IT’S FREE !
Report Post »PJL
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:51pmYes, and as soon as they took power, Hitler was to be worshiped not god. Have your read a history book? Wait, I mean, a untwisted history book.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:10pmThe Nazis replaced Church leaders with Nazi supporters… in a Worship of the Leader & 1000 year Reich. The Crusades were mostly about… LandLess Knights obtaining Land & Wealth. The Spainish Inquisition was about… Redistribution of Wealth, where Men died early in Marriage, leaving Rich Wives… who were killed for there Property & Wealth.
Property & Wealth… and a Redistribution Scheme… are always the Real Causes of Evil!
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:13pmCharles, you’re right. Religion and religious zealots are responsible for millions of deaths over the millennia. However, even though I don’t know all the lyrics I don‘t believe that’s what Father Pontifex is talking about. He’s referring to God, not religion. Huge difference! I don’t remember God or Christ ever saying you need religion, only you need to believe and follow His laws. Christ said the church is in each one of us so you don’t need an organized religion in order to believe in God. The only thing religion does is set doctrine, hence different
Report Post »Central washington
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:09amIf you think Hitler was a Christian,,,,, when in history of his life was he “born again” as Jesus demanded of people when they repent? Please supply the day and year of this occasion because I have never seen any record of this in all of the books concerning Hitler.
Report Post »destrecht
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:12amThe soviet union and mao tse tung were both atheist regimes.So was Pol Pot. The Nazi’s killed Priests and Nuns as the next target after the jews.
Report Post »trappedinwv
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:38am1. Not every war has religion as its basis.
2. Hitler was not killing jews because they were “Christ Killers”, that is the neo nazi’s. Hitler was killing Jews because he blamed them for the failure of the 1st world war, they controlled most of the banks, and had acquired a disproportionate amount of wealth. They were an easy target that most of the public had already developed some sort of mistrust or reservations about long before he came on the scene.
Please try and use your brains a little in life.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 1:44pmPol Pot was not an atheist, but integrated elements of Buddhism into the Khmer Rouge.
Communist Russia may have been atheist, but in name only. They replaced the church with the Cult of the State. China tried to form a cult of Mao.
And while those countries may have been “atheist,” not a single one of them killed a single person in the name of atheism. No one can produce a single example of anyone killed in the name of atheism anywhere in history.
Yet the cemeteries of history are filled with millions dead in the name of Christianity (and Islam and so forth…).
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:37pmBruce – Keep denying history. The communist regimes were official atheists states.
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Posted on June 10, 2012 at 3:22pmcharles116
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:51pm
This guy is none too bright.
“The Nazis were not athiests, They were killing the ‘Christ Killers’.
What a hypocrite. The Crusades, The Inquisition.
RELIGION has caused ten times as many death as athiesm”
Yes, like Mao’s own killing fields wherein up to 40 million Chinese were murdered during his tenure, and the purges by Stalin and other Eastern Bloc communists amounting to roughly 20 million people.
And, how far back do you want to go? Before the inquisition? I have some figures for that too.
For someone who claims to know history, you come across as an uneducated fool.
Report Post »walkintruth
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 5:16pmThe Nazi’s practiced the occult and witchcraft. It was a Hitler’s fascination with spirits and the occult that allowed the evil to preside in him. It opened the door to the world of Satan. Even the swastika is an occult symbol.
Report Post »Charles, the Salem witches were killed because they practiced witchcraft and satanism. Their religion is one based on evil by summoning spirits and doing evil spells. The pentagram is another symbol that becomes a door to the demonic. All of this is a religion, not atheism.
Jaycen
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 2:42am@charles116
Ah, the old Progressive lie. No, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pot – these lovely people murdered close to 100 million human beings. Most of that number were killed during times of peace.
That’s more than all the relgious wars have taken in written history. You suggested the preacher should get some history lessons. I suggest you need them more than he does.
Happy douching.
Report Post »Pongo
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:30pmDeath is dead. We have always been alive in God; and always will be.
Report Post »mjazzguitar
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:34pmI wonder how Hitler feels if he is “alive in God” now?
Report Post »trueamerican40
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:06amHey, JAZZ, Hitler was no christian…he walked out of a church at a young age…he was an occultist. Stop believing everything that MSNBC tells you and actually read up on history.
Report Post »rsanchez1
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:30pmNazi Germany, Soviet Union, Communist China, all godless regimes responsible for millions of deaths. Godless and communist, just like the American Left. These nutjobs must be stopped.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:38pmIt is a bad argument to mount. Christian, Muslim, Socialist, or atheist…We are ALL human and are ALL sinners.
(to the atheists)
Sure Christians have started wars, and killed in the name of God.
What does that have to do with…God?
Just sayin’…
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:51pmI must agree on the count that the murders committed by Christians (et al. religious groups) have everything to do with the religion themselves, and nothing to do with the divine entities they claim to exist, which is precisely the point atheists want to make–religious and non-religious AREN’T different, the religious AREN’T special, they AREN’T exceptional, and they are EVERY bit as human, and as fallible, as the irreligious (or those of other religions, since REGARDLESS of religious persuasion, given the DIVERSITY of opinion on the subject it seems no matter WHAT you believe, the largest probability is that any given religious view is false, not true, since most/all make mutually exclusive claims).
I don’t think theists are any LESS than other humans in their knowledge or capacities–I simply wish they would stop thinking they are any MORE than other humans in these aspects because it is abundantly clear to the intelligent and perspicacious that they are not and their continued insistence to the contrary isn’t quaint anymore after thousands of years, and mounds of evidence, that prove increasingly that THEY OUGHT KNOW BETTER (a claim they are ironically so fond of making about other religious persuasions).
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:53pmThe Nazis were NOT Athiests,
Report Post »Neither were the Inqusitors, the Salem ‘Witch killers’ nor the folks during the crusades.
Organized Religion is the Devil’s tool.
trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:55pmWell then third acorn, we are half way there, aren’t we?
:-)
Report Post »JJBlazeReader
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:25pm..
@rsanchez1
In the last century alone it is approximated that over 100 million were killed by communist governments which were officially atheistic and guided by the then “current” science view.
When and where atheists have control of the government they are deadlier than any religion ever is or was. They make Islam look like a bunch of pikers.
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Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:44pmALSO, the majority of the people killed by ostensibly “atheist” regimes weren’t killed FOR religious REASONS (as opposed to all the religiously motivated killings that have occurred) but rather for IDEOLOGICAL ones.
Report Post »destrecht
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:18amThird Archyon. YOu have it exactly opposite of what Catholics (don’t know about other christians) beleive. We do know that we’re fallible. The holier you get, the more you realize what you are. If we didn‘t there’d be no need to go to church.
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:17pmCharles116 needs to learn to count.
Silversmith
Report Post »MichaelWilson
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:21pmI have to say, this is hurtful to me (Yes, I know I don’t have a right to not be offended, but it still hurt). I don’t believe in god. But I believe in honesty, morality, truth, and justice. I love my brothers and sisters who believe in god, and understand why you do. I don‘t hold myself over you and don’t think you’re “stupid” or “uneducated.” I simply don’t believe in anything for which there is no evidence. As Jefferson implored, “Question everything, even the very existence of god.” Some of you have discovered something that you hold dear and call god. And that’s cool with me. But why is it presumed that we who have gone through the same self-examination and soulful search, only to find that there is no evidence of the supernatural are considered “arrogant” or that we use “venom” or that we’re “unsophisticated?” It‘s true that some people who don’t believe in the supernatural are that way. But you need to look no further than this video to maybe see why. I‘m sad that there’s such misunderstanding about what it means to not believe in god. For me, it just means that every moment with my kids is all I have. Those moments are pure beauty, and because they won’t exist forever, I should be present and fulfilled during all of them, and be the best dad I can be, every moment of every day. Please don’t attack me for posting this. We all agree on so much, but I want you to know that most of us “heathens” love you guys who believe.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:28pmYet Jefferson believed in God!
In any case, we love you too and respect your respect for us. Sometimes we have to remember that it is not our job to drag people kicking and screaming to Christ. :-)
Report Post »BlessedONE333
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:35pm@MichaelWilson
YOU ARE A FOOL -
Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
NO ONE can know Good without knowing the author of GOOD and that is your creator YHWH –
who so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, a free gift given to mankind to reconcile OUR hearts back to God after our evil sins
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:40pmAnd blessedone333 is an atheist troll as can be seen by his name and past posts. Do not take offense at the nutjob, he is merely trying to stir the pot.
Report Post »coreychevyk10
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:42pmmy question for those that don’t believe in god is why not? you believe in love,faith,air,all things you can not see feel touch or hear so why not god?hmmm maybe a little hypocriticol
Report Post »MichaelWilson
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:57pmAnd, thanks TrollTrainer. I appreciate the mutual respect. I don’t post here much, but this one made me sad. We all agree on a lot (For whatever it’s worth, I’m this guy… http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411646/)
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:37pm1 Kings 15
“In the eighteenth year of the reign of Jeroboam son of Nebat, Abijaha became king of Judah, 2and he reigned in Jerusalem three years. His mother’s name was Maacah daughter of Abishalom.b”
2 Chronicles 13
“1In the eighteenth year of the reign of Jeroboam, Abijah became king of Judah, 2and he reigned in Jerusalem three years. His mother’s name was Maacah,a a daughterb of Uriel of Gibeah.”
1 Genesis 25-27
2 Genesis 18-22
Just to name a few. Let’s not get into how Judas died or any of the other contradictions.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:00pmSo what is your problem with any of these passages? Did your mom have a mother? And your dad? God formed the animals before he made man, just because Genesis 2 shows that God brought the animals He formed before man is not any kind of contradiction. Further, the oriental mind does not deal with chronology as you do in your twentieth/ twenty-first century framework. Sometimes numbers are used symbolically, and sometimes they are rounded. There are a couple bad discrepancies that may be copy error, or they may be simply a record of a faulty telling. Inerrancy does not mean what you think it does. The fact is though that none of these contrived arguments changes anything theologically.
Oh, Juda’s death…There have been a number of plausible explanations, but the best one is that the word for falling headlong used in Acts 1:18, πρηνης or prenes also means “swelling up” in koine Greek. So Judas hung himself, was not discovered for some time, his organs swelled up and burst his abdomen.
Contradictions are what we make of them. One angel at the tomb or two? Does this prove the Bible wrong? Was the Bible intended to be a book of facts? What is really ironic is when science proves the Bible correct when man thought it was faulty. This happens all the time.
I’m sorry, you can mount the arguments but I simply know better. You will believe or not believe what you will I suppose. I have reason for my belief.
Report Post »Tired of Code Names
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:04pmMichaelWilson
Report Post »Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:21pm
My best friend is a non practicing christian and treats everyone like I as a practicing Christian would like to be treated. I love him just like I do my Christian friends. It‘s his choice just like your’s. I take it you don‘t jam it up my throat that I’m a Christian and just like my friend he does not jam it up mine that I am Christian. That’s my issue with what is going on in our society. We could all get along if not for the radicals. And, quite frankly, I don’t remember the last time I saw a Christian blowing themselves up to kill others in the name of God. Just something to think about.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:52pm@TROLLTRAINER
Here we go with the generalizations, rationalizations and made up reasons for accepting the contradiction.
Face it, the only reason you say the Bible has no contradictions is because it CAN’T have contradictions for you to accept it.
I only listed a few of the 100s of contradictions and even the 2-3 I listed you made up asinine reasons that defy logic and common sense to why they aren’t contradictions. Give me a break.
I don’t care about belief.
Belief is irrelevant to me.
Please stop with this, “I use to be like you” bit and stop assuming that I have never been a Christian.
Going from Christianity to Atheism
Atheism to Christianity
Judaism to Christianity
Christianity to Islam
Islam to Christian
Mormon to Christian
Christian to Mormon
says NOTHING about the claims that the person makes.
First off, by admitting that you always believed in a God proves that you never really truly thought the existence of a God. Not to mention how I notice you didn’t mention any problems you had with the Quran. Did you ever look at Islam or Buddhism? Surely you aren’t a Christian because you likely live in a place dominated by Christianity, thus you are born, exposed and indoctrinated into a religious faith at a young age?
The Bible was written superstitious goat herders with crazy beliefs.
For instance, these beliefs have driven you to accept that a human sacrifice was necessary to save humanity from being born evil. Asin
Report Post »RepentYe
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:02am@micheal…. so this is the deal. Can you not believe in God and still believe in moral definitions founded in a belief in God, sure. But then the question becomes, why do you believe in such things? “Because it is the right thing, or it is good, or it is the best for society.” i have heard all of those responses. This is the problem. What is good, what is best for society? In Charles Darwin’s Origin of Species, he explains that the black man is just a less evolved white man. As with many other species of animals, it is necessary for the black man to someday be replaced by white men, especially since the white man is the more intellectually evolved of the species. (I do not agree with Darwin, no hate posts, I am paraphrasing. If you don’t believe me, read the book.) Now taking those early thoughts many other “great thinkers” built upon them. There are whole libraries written on the subject and many can argue who created what, but the truth is this: As Teddy Roosevelt once said, “If a man has a stable of horses, will he let the weak and infirm continue to bread? Or will he, in order to strengthen the race, only allow the strong and fit to populate his stable?” Margaret Sanger, the founder of plan parenthood, championed the cause of Eugenics. That is forwarding the human race by removing the less desirable through sterilization and abortion… her focus was the black population. Now based in the science of the day, weren’t there conclusions, well, to better society?
Report Post »RepentYe
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:17amSo you see, when you start using movable goal posts, the rules of the game begin to get a little hazy. What is Moral? Well according to the likes of Margaret Sanger, the moral decision is to forward society at the cost of those less desirable. To Adolf Hitler, morality was to first remove the mentally handicap from this earth, since they only used resources, never supplying even for their own basic needs. In fact the Nazis had a very effectual campaign that showed how removing the mentally ill from society was the “humane” thing to do. “Who would want to live a life like that?“ The ”right“ thing for society and the ”good” of human kind, demanded that a superior race be produced. According to Adolf’s twisted logic, it was necessary to remove, Jews, blacks, gypsys, and all other lesser races, thereby freeing the world for the growth of the rest of mankind; the more evolved mankind. Now I will admit that Adolf was not what one could consider a traditional atheist, however his ideas on Eugenics did not spring wholly from his own thoughts. They were seeds planted by many atheists years before. The point is that once you no longer have an immobile, solid basis of what is right and what is wrong, you can begin to rationalize the movement of societies rules of conduct. That is why a belief in something greater than yourself, God and His law, is more important than just doing what is “good for your society” or what “You think is the right thing.”
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 6:34pm@ModerationIsBest:
Would you mind elaborating on theses supposed contradictions? In all honesty, I see none at this point.
Report Post »cruzinbill
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:19pmNicely spoken.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:15pmchameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:55pm
There are a lot of evil Christians out there and many Christians have done evil things throughout history. Here is a good example of Christian hypocrisy. Islam is a religion that very evil and Muslims have done and are doing a lot of evil in the world. Yes, there are good Muslims who have done a lot of good.
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Agreed!
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However, Islam does speak violence and many Muslims live by that code of life. Many Christians who are against Islam will point that out and will see Islam that way. The same can be said for Christianity. It is a evil religion who believers live by. They are against people who are gay, etc. I just cannot see Christianity or any other religion being pure and loving
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Christianity teaches neither violence nor evil. What man does with Christianity is another story. Take homosexuality…It IS a sin. As is thinking bad thoughts about your fellow man…Something EVERY Christian is guilty of, especially those who hate gays…
Christianity teaches that we are ALL sinners and that NOTHING we do can ever rectify us to God. THAT is why Jesus came to us.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:15pm@TIRED OF CODE NAMES: You’re seeing atheism in a negative light. We do not try to see there is nothing special about life and the world. I love all kinds of animals and plant life. Seeing how they adapt to their environments to survive and what abilities they have. That is why I see it as magic in my view. Not like a magic trick but something new and exciting. Our minds are not perfect but amazing. Religion in my view limits the magic of the world. There are all kinds of Gods and religions out there. I’m happy with the one Earth and the entire universe. :)
Report Post »Tired of Code Names
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:44pmObviously you missed the point. Are you not worried that you are but a blip on the celestial map? I am in your celestial mind just a simple fool to think that there is something more than this life on Earth. O.K.
Report Post »Tired of Code Names
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:54pm@Chameowhatever. And you did not address my question on conscience and where that comes from. Why?
Report Post »Tired of Code Names
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:20pmI would like to hear your honest thoughts and not some youtube video to back up your point. Stand on your own thoughts. Answer my question on conscience.
Beto760
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 6:21pm@Tired of Code Names
Report Post »What more needs to be said can you prove this is false or do you choose just to be ignorant.. you wanted proof heres some for you. Sorry if i gave you too much to chew
Beto760
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:59pmHeres something u proof Needers can chew on.
Report Post »http://youtu.be/YrmA1H6wFPU
chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:04pmHere is a refute of your YouTube video http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin
Report Post »Beto760
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 6:12pmyour defense If wiki lol Theres no hope
Report Post »bdandsl
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:54pmEven if we all agree on the big bang, WHO made the bang happen and WHO made the microorganisms that evolved into to life as we now know it?
Anyway you want to slice it, it always comes around to God.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:57pmCould be a what not a who.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:07pmGod told Moses to tell the Hebrews that “I am” sent you…thats not a what!
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:38pmSo says two religions, out of all that have ever and will ever exist (none of which NEED be true).
Report Post »IslandAtheist
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:53pmJesus is going to go join Zeus and Odin now.
Report Post »Sol Invictus
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 11:21amand me.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 1:51pmSol Invictus — Jesus is Sol Invictus…or a least the early church tried to make the connection.
Same birthday…
…Jesus is often depicted with a glowing halo…
…pagan Romans often associated Christ with Helios-Apollo…
Report Post »Sol Invictus
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:18pm@Bruce
Report Post »Yes, few people realise that Christianity was only one of many religions competing for support at that time. Once Constantine sponsored them they had state support and became the state religion (how ironic is that Blazers) and that’s why it “won”. To placate the “losers” elements of other religions were incorporated – hence, as you say, using Sol’s birthday, the halo etc. He then called a council to decide which books went into the bible and hey presto Christianity. They still celebrate my birthday though!
donh2
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:51pmWhat “ God is Dead ” really mens is Death is god…the god worshipped by the satanist…Stop with the euphamism of naming satanism “ atheism” , You are playing into the devil’s game by yielding to his word lies. The anti christians do have their own god, unholy books, curse prayers, and a very advanced system of ritual worship for spreading death. They also have a firm grip over Hollywood, the media, and a lot of politicians are members of this death cult .Note in this ritual the satanic priest summons demonic spirits from the 4 cardinal points of the compass the same as the indian shaman Carlos Gonzales did at the Tuscon Shooting memorial . Your government under Obama is subjecting people to mass satanic rutials without your knowledge or permission .Madonna at the superbowl. Niki Minaj at the Grammy’s ..
Report Post »This isn’t “ acting ” nor is it “ atheism” . It is pure evil. .> http://youtu.be/T1zsIk6WcNM
chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:58pmYou’re just insane! Atheism means “without theist” meaning atheist do not believe in God. What ever the heck you’re talking about is not but conspiracy nonsense.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:14pmLet me add this! Ever notice how people are now putting skulls on everything? Kids stuff too! I see now where people are putting little skull stickers on their SUV back windows which display their family as skulls from the children to the grown ups. We are no more fascinated than ever with death. Everything is about death now, most movies today deal with killings, murder, mayhem in general. I’ll go one further! Werewolves and Vampire themed movies, series etc dominate today!! Why? Death is the new heroes of today! Depps new twist on another sitcom from the 70s Dark Shadows, it goes on and on. Its occult in nature as well where the characters battle evil forces with some of the forces being evil themselves like Hellboy, Ghostrider and even the Hulk. Normal is dull! Powerless is impotent! Living in the real world is getting harder for some these days and I believe the culture in this area is much to blame.
Report Post »donh2
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:28pmChameleonx I can post numerous recordings of founders within the Church of Satan , people who wrote the Satanic bible , and they all say the same thing defining themselves as atheist . …> http://youtu.be/ErsoGgVD65I Abscence of any God is Death everlasting. and to practice atheism is to worship death. God offers eternal life . I am simply asking Mr Beck for the umpteenth time to stop soft peddling satanism by accepting their use of euphamistic terms like atheism. There is a big differance between somebody who cannot make a faith committment , someone who hasn’t had a God realization, a drone wandering by the power of their carnal appetites …and an ATHEIST devoted to the faith system of classical evil.
Report Post »Netsurfer2
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:51pmThere is much more to life, that is where faith comes in! You can personally believe what you want, but in the end it’s between you and God! You have the Bible and can read it anytime you want! Your choice to believe what you want on it, but my suggestion is to pray that someday you will understand!
It’s not my right to judge! It’s your choice!
The Bible says that many will follow the wrong directions in life and even be lead the wrong way.
I can tell you this, Jesus had no interest in money or possessions (material things). He did the will of God and not only his will. He performed miracles and many testified to those!
You can believe what you want, but it’s your options in life! Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life!” and that you have to go through him to get to the kingdom of heaven!
Just remember when the storm comes to pray that you will understand with his wisdom, because it is coming whether you like it or not! The economy of the world is falling apart and it’s going to get ugly! With such greed that has taken place, comes new wars, depressions and famine!
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:53pmYou have the Bhagavad Gita, you can read it any time you want–why haven’t you come to accept the truth of Hinduism?
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:44pm@The Third Archon
“You have the Bhagavad Gita, you can read it any time you want–why haven’t you come to accept the truth of Hinduism?”
Please enlighten us with your version of the Truth of Hinduism. Can you tell me the year that the word Hindu was invented? And where did the Bhagavad Gita originate from. Please enlighten us or go back to playing hide-the-sausage.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:42pmI was actually mocking the reasoning he trots out as “proof” of the veracity of Christian theology–thank you for reacting exactly as a reasonable person SHOULD to such reasoning and proving my point.
Report Post »am123
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:46pmSome atheists may be intelligent, but they are the biggest fools of all. They go to astounding lengths to explain our existence absent a Creator. They speculate about multiple universes and what not, torturing and contorting logic and truth in order to avoid the painfully obvious fact that there is a Creator behind the magnificent universe we find ourselves living in. It is as Sir Isaac Newton said: “Truth is ever to be found in simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things”. Scientific advancements just reaffirm a fact that we already know: there is perfection in the universe. Every scientific advancement is just a further insight into that perfection. Much of the truth, many of the laws we have discovered were deduced by scientists who assumed that we live in a rational, ordered universe stemming from the hand of a rational, ordered Creator. Newton said “This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being”. Newton also said “”No great discovery was ever made without a bold guess”. And the bold guesses were based upon the idea that the universe operates according to laws which are comprehensible to the human mind, laws which we measure here in laboratories and are true everywhere in the universe and have their existence due to a rational Creator behind it all who writes the physical laws of the universe—laws perfectly calibrated to support life on earth—in the language of mathem
Report Post »LANE131
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:42pmi hear the LAME statement by Atheist or Liberals, Progressives ect., all my life that Religions started more wars and killed more poeople than anything else in history that man has done. Any yes when i was younger i bought this lie, and many others. But when i study it out GOVERMENTS are the ones who start most of the wars and kill most people as a man made act by far, and the worst ones to do this are the communist collect style goverments. And when i hear them say this it seems to be meaning the Christan and Jewish religions, but if their was i religion that it could be appied to, that of course would be ISLAM, but they get a pass from Atheist and Liberals and Progressives.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:47pm“i study it out GOVERMENTS are the ones who start most of the wars and kill most people as a man made act by far”
Report Post »Yup–for religious reasons, religion being ALSO man-made.
LANE131
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 5:16pmIt’s still GOVERNMENT no matter how you slice it.
Report Post »Thanks for the roads and bridges and fire departments government, but governments NO THANKS for the progressive commie style ideas and the bloodshed.
trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:39pm“he bible is not proof that Jesus or any other biblical character existed. How can you say Jesus did this or that when there are numerous contradictions about his crucifixion and Resurrection?”
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What is funny is any “contradictions” you find come from the twenty and twenty-first centuries. There are no contrary reports from the time period in question. And don’t you think if the reports given in the Bible were false that not only the Romans but also the Jews would have been quick to discredit any false stories floating around? Yet we have nothing but silence. In fact, there are over 50 verifications from the first through third centuries that Jesus did die on the cross and many claim He was resurrected. They even went to their deaths claiming this when they could easily have denounced their faith. Do men die for a lie? Yep! Every day. Do men die for what they KNOW to be a lie? Not so often…
You can find literary critics of the Bible…So what? Prove the Bible wrong…Then you may have something.
You will see what you want to see. You are not prepared to believe so you will not. You can claim you are looking, but you are not. You do not want answers, you want an argument.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:47pmNo, I want answers. You’re just going on and on how this is proof or that is proof. The bible can’t be used as evidence because it offers none. The bible a book filled with contradictions and everything else. We can go on forever how the bible is more than likely a book influenced by the mind of bronze aged men than God. As you can see from the links the bible is a confusing mess. What time was Jesus crucified and when did he rise from his grave. It’s a mess that only believers see as real. Most of the accounts many Christians will use are not good. There are no evidence for a historical Jesus in any shape or form. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ
Report Post »All you have to look as to why people are critical of religion to see that we’re not just pulling this out of no where.
http://www.christianitydisproved.com/bible.html
trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:00pmYour not accepting the Bible as evidence is a self-imposed rule. I do not accept that rule.
Show me the falsehoods in the Bible. Trying to claim a dispute about time is not a contradiction, we are simply not given that information. You can spend the next 5 days pasting links to sites that discredit the Bible, they prove nothing. YOU show me the falsehoods. Not some athestic-contrived moot argument about why the Bible does not go into the detail of pi…Do you know most, if not all, serious scholars accept that Jesus of Nazareth was real? Most also accept at least some of the accounts in the Bible. The book has certainly been around. There are numerous sources you can find that show why you can believe the authenticity of the Bible. But I am sure you will not bother as your mind is made up.
But never mind all that, the real proof is in the believers. Christians have simply seen something you have not. You can call them ignorant or foolish for what they know, but they know what you do not.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:10pmYou present poor arguments TROLLTRAINER.
Report Post »http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
For a good website with the crazies verses you can find in the bible, quran and book of Mormon.
The difference between me and you is that you have faith. There is no requirement to have evidence when you faith. A believer will say go to the bible for evidence. As I have shown through my links the bible is a book littered with contradictions and what not. To keep saying that is all the proof I need to have to prove what I believe is right than I believe the Harry Potter books prove Harry Potter exist. I ask you and others to look over my links. If you truly believe in what you believe in than it will not hurt to challenge your views. I was just like many of you a Christian who did the challenge. I understand how it feels. It is confusing and scary. But I couldn’t be happier than I am now.
trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:20pmYou have not shown a single thing, I will not follow your lame links. If YOU have an argument then present it, all you have been doing is passing gas.
I have all the evidence I need. I once was blind, but now I see. I have daily fellowship with my Lord and Savior. He directs my life. I have surrendered all to Him and He has infinitely blessed me.
I do not need to “prove” Him to you, only show you what He has done for me. I am only obligated to tell you about Him. The rest is up to you. Sink or swim, it is not my problem.
I will gladly discuss my beliefs with you, feel free to ask me anything. But I am not going to play by your rules. It is a rigged game, one that has been very well conceived through the years.
Report Post »JJBlazeReader
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:23pm..
@trolltrainer
Agree, they do not search for the truth.
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Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:12pm@TROLLTRAINER
It is the infallibility of these holy books created by their believers that makes me not accept them.
The “accept all of it or accept none of it” and the “Either all of it is true or all of it is false” bull makes me question, look into and then realize that these books are false. Very little in life is black and white and I’m also not one who generally follows someone who says, “YOU MUST BELIEVE IN ME!”
Since there are things that are flat out proven not true because the Bible is a book written by men and interpreted by men it is obvious to me that there is no way everything in these book are true.
The fact that people say, “The Bible doesn’t contradict itself” when it is full of contradictions make me see this book is obviously not infallible.
The fact that “truth” isn‘t the goal about these books proves they’re not true to me. Religion isn’t about finding out what is “true” it is finding out about what conforms to your already conceived ideas about life given to you by your Bible. The main reactions to things about life that are contrary to your “belief” are
Report Post »1. Deny it
2. Fight against it.
3. Ultimately accept it and say it’s from God.
trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:36pmAgain with the claims, but show me where the Bible is wrong. Show me what you claim to be a contradiction and I can show you why it is not. Sure, there are things I can’t reconcile, and yes, there are many arguments inside Christianity about interpretation. But…Not on the core doctrine, that is all crystal clear.
Listen…This is something you are just going to have to discover yourself. Like many, I was once in your shoes. Well…I always believed in God, but I certainly felt the Bible was simply a man-made book written by a bunch of superstitious goat herders. But I looked into it and discovered I was very wrong.
Think about it like this…If there is a God…and if He wanted us to know Him…Would He not make sure we had that information? The Bible is it. Written by men yes, but inspired by God. It is all or nothing, if I doubted one word then why should I trust anything in it? I would be in your shoes!
Why not other religions? Why not other gods? The answer is because the Bible IS God’s revelation of Himself to us. It tells us what we need to do to have eternal life with Him. It tells us that WE have that choice, that there is nothing we can do ourselves but if we accept the pardon He freely gives us through His grace we will spend eternity with Him. If not we spend eternity in hell. Not as punishment, but simply because that is where sin is destined. It is your choice, the offer stands for all, it is free.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 12:32pm@TROLLTRAINER
It is not free. To say it is free is to be intellectually dishonest with yourself.
You’re essentially saying that humans are created sick and then demanded to be well. And then all you have to do to be well is throw yourself on the mercy of the court and believe in the unbelievable and live your life by a certain set of rules and then you can have an eternity of a plane of existence that hasn’t been proven to exist. All this for being the way your God created us, and then for the simple “crime” of not believing we are sent to hell for an eternity?
Give me a break.
Your God created the system we live in
Therefore your God created sin
Your all knowing God knew that man would sin, yet he allowed Eve to be tempted, to then tempt Adam
Your all loving God then set up the punishment for this sin
This can’t be taken seriously.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 8:51pmYo Troll:
Still didn’t get the example of the contradiction I see …
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 7:57pm@ModertionIsBest:
We were not created sick, we were created perfect, we are simply born sick. Yes there are laws we must follow, but none of us can keep them all, so we are all imperfect. We are not asked to believe in the unbelievable, but simply believe in what is true. The rules weren’t made with expectation of you following them, but were made to break you, to show you you are imperfect and that you need Christ. Again, God created us perfect, we made ourselves nasty and sick. No, we are sent to hell because we deserve it for being sinners, for being imperfect. If you don’t think that is fair, fine. that doesn’t make it any less true.
And from a purely philosophical standpoint, as the creator of all things, he would be above everything, so if he see’s it as just to send us to hell for being immoral and imperfect beings, then as being the author of morality, it would be morally good since as the creator of all things he decides what is good and bad.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:32pm“But you say without religion peace and harmony will thrive? The Spanish Inquisition three thousand, the Salem witch trials nineteen, but millions upon millions slaughtered in atheistic regimes How dark this world would be without faith, love and Divine light, We all have a conscience discerning what’s wrong and right Each human heart desires much more than this life can’t get, To deny the existence of a Transcendent God is the ultimate opiate, You can numb the minds assent to the truth and faith you can refuse, But In the end man stands between God and nothingness and He must choose.”
You forgot the Crusades (all ten of them), almost every war in Europe prior to the 20th Century, the sectarian violence between Shii’te and Sunni, the inter-faith violence that has gone on since the DAWN OF TIME, the Pakistan-India conflict, thousands of years of draconian punishment (up to and including murder) for violation of religiously motivated blue laws in the Old and New world, the Lord’s Resistance Army, religious terrorism IN GENERAL for that matter, the Jonestown Massacre, the Boxer rebellion, the genocide of native peoples in the New World in the name of “killing the Indian to save the man” the words of missionaries and the reason for the existence of “the Spanish Mission” and “Indian Boarding School”…need I go on? I would but I’m running out of room in this post.
It’s easy to ignore or excuse the behavior of groups you romanticize and take to be exceptional,
Report Post »JJBlazeReader
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:32pm..
One of my favorite quotes, “To one who has faith no explanation is necessary, to one without faith no explanation is possible. St. Thomas Aquinas.”
Very accurate and most suitable to keep in mind when dealing with militant atheists.
This priest should be able to reach many of the youth who need guidance and get on the right path.
Good work Padre.
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Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:45pmYes, St. Aquinas is a PERFECT demonstration of what’s logically wrong with theism–namely that it is not falsifiable. Because it is not falsifiable, it is not an empirical question, and thus BY DEFINITION there is no known way humans can discern its truth or falsehood one way or the other–it is therefore an irrelevant question. I could just as easily assert that the universe sprung into existence exactly as it was ten seconds ago, ten seconds ago–you have no way of proving me WRONG, and I have no way of proving myself RIGHT, because it makes no DIFFERENCE whether I’m right or not, the RESULTS of either case are indistinguishable.
Simple and gullible minds might be awestruck and charmed by this fallacious twisting of logic, and religion’s power hinges upon the trick, but there’s no logically VALID reason to accept religious claims over any other, the only rational conclusion one can reach is that one must suspend judgment and belief on religious matters pending further information.
Report Post »JJBlazeReader
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:53pm..
@third archon.
Thank you for proving my point.
God Bless
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Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:59pmAnd thank you for proving mine.
Report Post »ZaphodsPlanet
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:21pm@The Godless Archon
What is so amazing is that despite your attempts to come across as eloquent, you in fact prove every point that has been made by Fr. Pontifex. I as a Christian have no urge to shove my beliefs down your proverbial throat, however, you as a godless atheist only wish to belittle us for our faith. Funny how that works. I used to think as you do and I can attest to this; what you write shows that you are 100% ignorant of what is actually in the bible. Have you ever actually read it? Or are you just regurgitating the bile that has been fed to you by yet another godless progressive? I only say this because you sound exactly like I might have when I was still so very blind.
Life‘s a bitch when you’re fighting an enemy you don’t think exists. Where’d he go?
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:37pmIt’s not the Gods various faiths claim exist that are my ideological opponent–its the individuals who claim to follow and know the existence of nature of these beings, yet offer no proof thereof, that are.
And yes, I have read the Bible, and other holy texts, extensively–unlike many theists, I’m NOT ignorant of the history and ideological content of the thing I reject (and they accept). I was born into a Christian family and raised (or indoctrinated if you prefer) into the faith, and was a genuine believer, and a conservative even, for quite some time. However, when I began to seek logical consistency and soundness in my beliefs, I was forced to question all the things I once took for granted, and it turned out I believed a great many of things for little or no reason (other than being TOLD they were true) at all. I try not to make the same mistakes now, in the hopes of making new ones.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:43pmOne of my favorite quotes, “To one who has faith no explanation is necessary, to one without faith no explanation is possible. St. Thomas Aquinas.”
Interpretation: to those who will believe anything we need not explain, to those who ask questions we have no answers.
Report Post »JJBlazeReader
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:42pm..
@sovereignsoul
You are greatly mistaken in your interpretation but typical of a militant atheist. Atheism has nothing to offer (pun intended).
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Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 11:48amWhy would you call me an atheist? I am not an atheist. I simply have questions that no one has bothered to answer. No on has proven to me that there is not a God. No one has proven to me that there is a God. It seems quite silly to me that both sides think they’re the only ones who know the unknowable. I would bet that if there is an all-powerful God and he wants me to know something, he wouldn’t need your help to educate me.
Report Post »Even if he did give you a chance to educate a doubter and a questioner, as he did here, you’d rather spew negativity. Thank you for your charity and kindness. I’ll leave you with a verse from your book.
Ist Corinthians 13: 4-5
“Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;”
JJBlazeReader
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:09pm..
@sovereignsoul
“I simply have questions that no one has bothered to answer.”
You were not asking questions. You just wanted to make a snarky comment. If you had a question you could have easily asked a question instead of making the comment you made. Doesn’t work to be snarky and then try to appeal to Christian charity. You fool no one.
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Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 4:40pmI can ask the questions if you’d like to help me understand.
Report Post »#1. Is the Bible really the perfect, unerring Word of God as I’ve been told in the past?
#2. If so, which version of the Bible is the correct version to use
That will do as a start. When Thomas doubted he was given proof. I think I should rate the same consideration. As I stated, I am not an atheist. Neither side has proven their belief one way or the other. If one of the atheists would like to prove that there is no God I am open to your line of reasoning.
JJBlazeReader
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 6:05pm..
@sovereign soul
What are the answers that you have found so far?
How much research have you done on these two questions and what is the conclusion that you have reached to date and why do you do you maintain the conclusions that you have reached thus far?
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Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:22pmIf I had found answers I would no longer have questions.
Report Post »Our family Bible says” thou shalt not kill.”. Very simple commandment etched in stone.
If God Is omnipotent, I am pretty sure he could say exactly what he meant.
Why do we make exceptions that God did not mention? Exceptions like death penalty, self-defense and times of war?
Is my Holy Bible wrong or are men wrong?
momrules
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:23pmI like this quote by Blaise Pascal……….
Human knowledge must be understood to be believed, but Devine knowledge must be believed to be understood.
I have faith in God. I believe.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:40pmNice.
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:57pmHere is another quote from Pascal that many would do well to heed:
Report Post »“If we submit everything to reason, our religion will have no mysterious and supernatural element. If we offend the principles of reason, our religion will be absurd and ridiculous.”
WhatDoYouKnowJoe
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:12pmHe was a Catholic!
Report Post »SovereignSoul
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 11:51amDoes that make him the “wrong kind” of christian?
Report Post »THXll38
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:23pmCool video, and good spoken word — well done.
Report Post »IZAYAFIVE2021
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:19pmWell done Fr. Pontifex!!!
FRPONTIFEX.COM
SPIRITJUICESTUDIOS.COM
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:13pmThe one science that draws all the others together is math.
Ask any mathematician to calculate the odds that life was just one big, accidental happenstance…and they’ll all tell you that the odds make it so improbable as to be considered impossible.
For the athiests to ignore their own one pure science is rather ironic.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:23pmAs Einestein said: ‘… perhaps… God only had one way to do it…’!
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 9:12pm“I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” (Albert Einstein, 1954)
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:02pm@MRBUTCHER
Report Post »Is Atheism a Religion? What happens when the Self-god dies?
AUsername
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:06pmAll of histories greatest mass murderers had a religion.
Report Post »markabernathy
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:13pmwhat religion is that? statism?
Report Post »TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:24pmThe Judeo – Christian faith and teachings must be followed for one to truly have that religion.
All of history‘s greatest mass murderers didn’t HAVE that!
In fact they are quite famous for twisting, revising and banning the teachings altogether!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:25pmAnd the Religion of… the Mongols… was?
Report Post »PJL
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:25pmDo your home work, Mao, Stalin, Hitler millions upon millions murdered. No religion involved except by those who tried to stop it.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:31pmAdolf Hitler was a Christian and many Christians and Jews have committed atrocities over many years.
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http://www.evilbible.com/
I cannot defend a religion where the works and followers speak evil to all others. They try to wrap in love and truth but I do not see either.
taxpro4u03
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:43pm@ Mark Abernathy — History tells us that the TWO most bloodthirsty ‘religions’ are Islam AND…. Catholicism (Christianity). Eastern religions aren‘t known for KILLING ’non-conformists’ in the name of a deity. They DO, however, elude to decency toward one’s fellows, and all earth’s inhabitants. Nirvana or Atman — both noble ambitions. :-) The teachings of Jesus are more in line with Buddhism than Buddhism is with Jesus. — THIS is why the Jefferson Bible OMITS the myths and legends found in the king James version – opting for the universal TRUTHS of behavioral principles contrary to the ramblings of Beck‘s frequent ’guest’ Barton… Jefferson was a DEIST; not a ‘christian.’ Most FACTS are brutal. BTW… THIS is ‘interesting,’ also: —-> http://www.greaterthings.com/Topical/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre/911/
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:43pmGenghis Khan believed he was divine.
Report Post »JediKnight
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:46pmHitler was defacto ex-Communicated. He was pure evil. He was not a Christian. It doesn’t matter if he was baptized. He committed crimes against humanity. Nothing but evil.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:55pmThere are a lot of evil Christians out there and many Christians have done evil things throughout history. Here is a good example of Christian hypocrisy. Islam is a religion that very evil and Muslims have done and are doing a lot of evil in the world. Yes, there are good Muslims who have done a lot of good. However, Islam does speak violence and many Muslims live by that code of life. Many Christians who are against Islam will point that out and will see Islam that way. The same can be said for Christianity. It is a evil religion who believers live by. They are against people who are gay, etc. I just cannot see Christianity or any other religion being pure and loving.
Report Post »TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:07pmtaxpro4u03,
You are blowing a massive amount of smoke. Are you inhaling?
When you become an expert on Catholicism, you’ll be able to tell that what you say about it actually applies to individuals and how they operated in the institution, not to the instituion you currently slander itself. I can tell that you are not an expert on Catholicism or on the wider expansion of Christianity. Many here can tell.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:56pmRoman Catholicism usually.
chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 6:54pmMy problem with religion is that I do not see them offering proof to their beliefs. This is one of the many reasons I do not believe in religion.
Report Post »markabernathy
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:02pm‘…to one without faith, no explanation is possible’
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:07pmI love this,
“Science and reason are not incompatible with faith — in fact they compliment each other very well because they come from the same source, God.”
So hilarious idiotic…..yet for them it’s a perfectly reasonable statement.
Stupidity run amuck.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:07pmI would have to respectfully disagree. Any concept of God in my opinion is too human. What I mean is how the idea of God has changed over time. I feel that believers of different religions just subscribe to myths, legends, and traditions which they believe in real. As a skeptic I’m critical of what they have to offer to the table. It is interesting but to me it is not real.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:11pmMODERATIONISBEST: Faith is much different than reason and logic. With reason and logic you can look at evidence to see what is true and not. With faith all you have is a belief in something you can never truly know if it is true or not.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:17pmThe “proof” walked this earth and died on a cross two thousand years ago. His body was taken from that cross and laid in a tomb just in time for the sabbath. The following Sunday morning that tomb was empty! Where did the body go? That is your proof. Many saw this man who died on the cross again. He was alive! He ate with them, talked with them, He gave them a mission. He told a fellow named Peter to feed His sheep. Peter did just that, along with John and Paul and many others.
In fact, this Paul guy…His real name was Saul, Saul of Tarsus…A Pharisee…He is more proof. Why don’t you read about him? His story is in Acts. Quite a remarkable fellow, though I suppose many thought him the world’s biggest PITA! He was certainly persistent.
The proof is there, in fact, it is indisputable. You just refuse to believe. You try to explain away what is clear as day. That is no trick. If Jesus came back and appeared right in front of you…You would deny Him. You would think Him a space alien, or an acid trip, or the result of a bad dream…
You want proof? Just look my friend. Most of the folks in here will tell you what they know as fact: That He is real and His Word is true.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:27pmBELIEF… acted upon with DEEDS… is a Confirmation of FAITH: PROOF!
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:28pmThe bible is not proof that Jesus or any other biblical character existed. How can you say Jesus did this or that when there are numerous contradictions about his crucifixion and Resurrection? I’m not just some teen who is being rebellious. I have looked and looked. Why I say the bible doesn’t offer proof is because it is written by men.
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/articles/cru-chart.html
If this book was inspired by historical events or God it wouldn’t be like this at all. This is some of the many reasons why I’m skeptical of religion. It’s just a mess of superstition and legend.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:33pmLUKERW: Faith is not proof. Just because you do good or bad doesn’t make it more of less true. It’s just a belief in something you see true.
Report Post »TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:42pmThe better you live by it, the better you understand it.
Faith. It’s not just a target.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:43pmThe PROOF of Christ… is in the DEEDS of the Apostles… where they Died in Testimony of the Gosples.
FAITH is PROOF! Rejection of the Definition of Proof is INSANITY!
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 7:50pmHere is the definition of faith by the dictionary: “belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.” You can see why I’m critical of your definition on faith. It is not based on evidence.
Report Post »Tired of Code Names
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:01pmAthiesm is an enigma to me and I can’t imagine how terrifying that would be to be an athiest. The belief that as a human I am no more important than a bug on this planet. Yes, we have proved the world is not flat and so on. But, I offer you one thing to consider in this world of intollerance amongst all the races and nationalities. Instinctively, all races and nationalities are born with a singular and unique similarity. It’s called a conscience. Inately, all races, creeds etc. are born with a will to do good. The society or group within that society the child is born into is teaches who they become. Conscience is what God programmed into all of us. What we do with that conscience is up to us all. If you choose to wish to explain away conscience and bring that back to mortal standards…so be it. But, the fact remains. Conscience exists in all humans. Now, that opens up a totally different can or worms for the theologeans and explanation. But, just like the big bang theory, Science has not offered an explanation for where that mass that can neither be created nor destroyed came from. Nor can Science explain where a universal conscience came from.
I’ll take my odds on it being from the one true God. Humans are just messing it up. Ergo Jesus Christ.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:07pmWhen you go to sit in a chair you have FAITH that it is going to support you. Why? Because of experience. Knowledge that the way the chair is built is sturdy enough to support you. Knowledge that all the other chairs you have sat in have supported you. The fact that there is nothing to give you cause to think the chair will not support you.
Faith is NOT blind. We believe what we believe for a reason. Can I empirically prove God? No. But I do not need to. I KNOW He exists. He lives within me.
Will you buy any of these arguments? Nope. Me trying to prove God to you is as futile as you trying to prove He does not exist. To you I am ignorant and foolish. To me you are the same. I would rather be in my position…I believe I know something exists because I have knowledge of it. You believe you know something does not exist because you have no knowledge of it.
Report Post »Dan of Reason
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:11pmHitler was Christian?… what about his removal of pictures of both Christ and the Pope in Catholic churches to be replaced by his own? What about his obsession with the occult? What single instruction of Christ did he follow? Hitler was a national socialist, Stalin was an international socialist; together they contributed to about 120 million dead through cruelty and malice. The national socialist German worker’s party (NAZIs) and the united soviet socialist republic (USSR) shared a word in their acronym. I hope all can identify it, but somehow I doubt it. Both were… were, athiest regimes.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:16pmYou are using… a Circular Arguement… that Proof can not be in Faith, so Faith does not provide Proof. This simply makes you an Atheist, using an Atheistic Definition. The Christian definition of Faith is… as previously given: Belief does not contain Deeds to provide Proof, but Faith does.
Stalemate: The next War will begin soon… as our normal option to resolve Deadlocks!
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:19pmThere is evidence to support Hitler as a Christian. There are quotes by Hitlers which mention his Christian faith.
We National Socialists, too, have deep in our hearts our own faith. We cannot do otherwise. No man can mould the history of peoples or of the world unless he has upon his will and his capacities the blessing of Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, to Nazi leaders on 2 June 1937, as reported by a correspondent of the “Daily Telegraph”
The National Socialist Movement has wrought this miracle. If Almighty God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument.
-Adolf Hitler, in his proclamation to the German People on 01 Jan. 1939
http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:20pm@Cham
You’re preaching to the choir here.
@Luke
Your “proof” isn’t “proof.”
There are Jews who die for Judaism.
There are Muslims who die for Islam.
Does that mean their belief is “true”?
No, not at all.
You can be so fooled by a lie that you think it’s the truth and sacrifice yourself on behalf of that “truth.“ Now whether or not what you ”believe“ is actually ”true” or not is a different story.
Report Post »chameleonx
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:20pmAlright I will use the Christian definition on faith. By doing deeds I make it that Harry Potter is real because I have faith. :P
Report Post »sensibleadult
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:22pmThere is certainly no proof that there is NOT a God, yet you accept that without question. How hypocritical.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:51pm@SENSIBLEADULT
There is certainly no proof that a lot of things don’t exist. Do you therefore accept EVERYTHING until it’s proven to not be true?
Atheism isn’t about saying “There is absolutely no God.” Sure there are some atheists who are certain of their views. They are as misguided as the religious people who claim God’s existence as a fact.
Atheism is about saying, “I have yet to see evidence for the existence of a God.” I will usually add, “much less your God” to my version.
When discussing with a religious person, I hardly ever get to the part where we are discussing the existence of a God in general. It is usually specific to their theology and their form of a God.
Not only do most religious people claim that the existence of a God is FACT. They also claim that their version of a God is the TRUE God and all others are false. They claim to know specific information about this God, and what he thinks is and isn’t wrong. They claim that unless I “believe” in him, I’m going to be tortured in a different plane of existence FOREVER.
You can see why I can’t take these individuals seriously. They claim to know the unknowable and claim it as fact.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 8:59pm“They are as misguided as the religious people who claim God’s existence as a fact.”
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Why? If someone knows something to be fact but simply cannot prove it to you why are they misguided?
It is you who refuses to accept what many people tell you they know.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:37pm@Trolltrainer
If you can’t prove it to me, you can’t call it a fact and expect me to have any kind of respect for your claims or look into them deeper. You may believe it’s a fact, but I don’t care what you believe and neither do facts.
Facts are facts regardless of what you believe of them.
The problem is that you do seem to accept what many people tell you they know.
If I were to tell you I know unicorns exist, do you accept that?
If I were to tell you that I am an alien from another planet, do you accept that?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 10:57pm@MODER…
We are a Predator Species… and seldom find agreement, except upon the basic obvious. We hunt, kill & slaughter for Meat… and turn our skills to War. We are not Totally Rational nor Sane… and you want what you argue for, your way, being Irrational & Insane.
Stock up on Weapons!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:39amHey MOD,
You have studied your evangelistic atheist talking point instruction manuals well.
Most of them are available at amazon.com.
I have read several of them.
I see you are still trying to get people to to admit that there “might be a possibility that there is no God”
You’re funny that way Mod.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 2:42amMOD,
If you told me you were a Jackass, I would believe that.
Unicorn?………no.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 11:05am@THERIGHTSOFBILLY
Well here comes Billy again offering no valuable input to the discussion.
Once again you don’t actually add substance, you just come with your patented, “oh looks like you’re gotten your talking points down“ or ”oh wow, a new talking point, did you get that at your atheists meeting?”
Seriously, why don’t you actually try to think critically and make a logical and valid points on the subject at hand? Is it because it’s asking too much of you to think critically?
Why not unicorns? There is as much evidence for their existence as there is for a God. You can‘t prove to me Unicorns don’t existence. By religious stand point that’s way more than enough evidence to speak for their existence.
Report Post »charles116
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 1:35pmFaith is for fools.
Report Post »As I like to say to the faith-ful, god did answer your prayers, HE SAID NO!
Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on June 11, 2012 at 10:12pm@ModerationIsBest:
Well if you were to try and argue that unicorns exist, I would simply say that by definition a unicorn is a mythical or imaginary horse with a horn on it’s head, so to say one is real would be self contradictory, and thus I would prove unicorns do in fact not exist in the real world.
Now if you were to say a magical creature that resembles a horse with a horn on it’s head was real and existed in this world, I would then ask you questions such as, where did it come from, what is it like, who else has seen it, is it written about anywhere, and other forms of proof. Then if I found your answers satisfactory I would believe you, and if I didn’t, but was unable to find anything to prove them wrong I would simply say, “Well, I don‘t know whether it’s true or not, but you haven’t convinced me”.
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