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GOP Leaders: Repealing ObamaCare May Not ‘Fully’ Happen Until 2013

WASHINGTON (AP) — Resurgent Republicans rallied Sunday behind an agenda based on unwavering opposition to the Obama White House and federal spending, laying the groundwork for gridlock until their 2012 goal: a new president, a “better Senate” and ridding the country of that demonized health care law.

Republicans said they were willing to work with President Barack Obama but also signaled it would be only on their terms. With control of the White House and the Senate, Democrats showed no sign they were conceding the final two years of Obama’s term to Republican lawmakers who claimed the majority in the House.

“I think this week’s election was a historic rejection of American liberalism and the Obama and Pelosi agenda,” said Rep. Mike Pence, the Indiana Republican who is stepping down from his post in GOP leadership. “The American people are tired of the borrowing, the spending, the bailouts, the takeovers.”

GOP Leaders: Repealing ObamaCare May Not Fully Happen Until 2013

Voters on Tuesday punished Democrats from New Hampshire to California, giving Republicans at least 60 new seats in the House. Republicans picked up 10 governorships; the GOP also gained control of 19 state legislative chambers and now holds the highest level of state legislative seats since 1928.

“It was a very rough week, there’s no sugarcoating that,” said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., who led the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Democrats who controlled the House, Senate and White House for two years now must work with Republicans, who have not shied from pushing their agenda.

“I don’t see any sign of the president retreating from his principles, but I do see his willingness to reach out, and wherever reasonable and in the interests of moving the economy and jobs forward, he’s going to work with the Republicans, as are the Democrats,” Van Hollen said.

Republicans have made clear they plan to work stridently against what they view as a White House out of control and out of touch.

“The president did say this week he’s willing to work with us,” said Rep. Eric Cantor, the Virginia Republican who is in line to become majority leader. “Now listen, are we willing to work with him? First and foremost, we‘re not going to be willing to work with him on the expansive liberal agenda he’s been about.”

First target: Democrats’ signature health care law.

“This was a huge, huge issue in the election last Tuesday,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. “A vast majority of Americans feel very, very uncomfortable with this new bill. People who supported us, political independents, want it repealed and replaced with something else. I think we owe it to them to try.”

But the reality remains that Republicans do not have enough seats to marshal through a full repeal if Democrats remain steadfast in their support. Even if Republicans were able to sway enough Democrats to support their effort, it would face a certain veto from Obama.

“Admittedly, it will be difficult with him in the White House,” McConnell said. “But if we can put a full repeal on his desk and replace it with the kind of commonsense forms that we were advocating during the debate to reduce spending, we owe it to the American people to do that.”

Rep. Paul Ryan, the Wisconsin Republican who will take leadership of the House budget committee, said the GOP will reign in the overhaul through oversight hearings and cutting off money to implement the law, “but then again, the president has to sign those bills, so that is a challenge.”

“You can’t fully repeal and replace this law until you have a new president and a better Senate. And that’s probably in 2013, but that’s before the law fully kicks in, in 2014,” Ryan said.

For their part, Democrats, like Republicans, faced their own intraparty challenges:

—Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina remained a contender for the Democrats’ No. 2 position. With Nancy Pelosi looking to remain the top Democrat, as minority leader but not as House speaker, a leadership fight between Clyburn and current Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland was shaping up to challenge party unity.

—Van Hollen said he supported Pelosi’s bid for minority leader but declined to choose publicly between Clyburn and Hoyer. “We’re going to look for a way to make sure that both those members can stay in the Democratic leadership,” he said.

—Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., who emerged as a leader of tea party-style candidates, said the GOP was to blame for its loss in Delaware‘s Senate contest between Republican Christine O’Donnell and Democratic county executive Chris Coons. “Unfortunately, she was so maligned by Republicans, I don’t think she ever had a chance,” DeMint said of the candidate whom party leaders tried to block from the nomination by highlighting her previous statements on masturbation and evolution.

—Rand Paul, the tea party-backed winner in Kentucky’s Senate race, said cuts to military spending and programs such as Social Security had to be considered, a break from Republican positions that both are sacrosanct. “We’re coming. We’re proud. We’re strong. We’re loud. And we’re going to co-opt. And, in fact, I think we’re already shaping the debate,” he said of his fellow tea party candidates.

Pence and Paul appeared on ABC’s “This Week.” Van Hollen spoke to CNN’s “State of the Union.“ Cantor and Ryan were interviewed on ”Fox News Sunday” while McConnell and Clyburn appeared on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” DeMint spoke in NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

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  • drattastic
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:37pm

    Health care has to go ..that’s a no-brainer but not many are naive enough to believe we can do it with the house alone .De-fund ,delay,litigate whatever it takes for now .We are just getting started, we need to win in 2012 that’s the bottom line . With this vacation loving ,big spending socialist in the white house ,Reid in the senate and with any luck the hag will get minority leader in the house ,it shouldn’t be a problem even with their cheering section in the lib. media.By the way …CHRISTY FOR PRESIDENT!!!

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  • grandmaof5
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:37pm

    Republicans, I expect you to gather the greatest minds you need to have in order to get the best advice on the quickest way to repeal healthcare and rework it so it makes sense. And you shouldn’t need to waste our tax money having hearings and blah, blah, blah. Somewhere in these great united states there are brilliant minds with conservative ideas who, with our members of the House, can put a working plan together. Let’s get going folks!

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  • NHABE64
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:57pm

    We must repeal the health care law in its entirety. I am aware there are many special deals buried within the large bill that include ear marks, money for a civilian police force (Hitler’s brown shirts ? etc. The GOP will have a fight but it must be repealed then simply start over page by page, line by line until there is a common sense bi-partisan bill that will work and one that we can afford. No more dirty little back room deals with Pelosi and Reid two of he worst cockroach airhead socialists in our government after Obama. God bless the GOP I know they have a lot of work. The good news is America stands behind them.

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    • EP46
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 7:56pm

      Thank you. I wondered if anyone remembered that the Health Care Bill included funding for The Brownshirts…obama’s private civilian army that can take over in an emergency. This has to be stopped immediately.

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  • ObamaYoMoma
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:52pm

    It sounds like Rand Paul is a self-hating anarcho-kook like his dad. The last thing we need to do is cut military spending, especially right now.

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  • APEXIdaho
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:51pm

    The new Republican governers need to get on board with the lawsuits that have been filed.

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  • PatriotBren
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:49pm

    “Resolved, That the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General Government . . . . and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force. . . . that the government created by this compact [the Constitution for the United States] was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; . . . . that this would be to surrender the form of government we have chosen, and live under one deriving its powers from its own will, and not from our authority; . . . and that the co-States, recurring to their natural right in cases not made federal, will concur in declaring these acts void, and of no force, and will each take measures of its own for providing that neither these acts, nor any others of the General Government not plainly and intentionally authorised by the Constitution, shall be exercised within their respective territories.”
    Thomas Jefferson

    The people, acting through their natural polities, the States, had created and given authority to the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution conferred powers on a general government to handle certain specified matters that were common to the “general welfare” of all the States. That government was an agent. It could not be the judge of its own powers. To allow it to be so would mean nothing less than a government of unlimited power, a tyranny. The partners to the Constitution, the sovereign peoples of the States, were the final judges of what they had intended the Constitution to mean. When the general government exceeded its power it was the right and duty of the State to interpose its authority and defend its people from federal acts of tyranny – yes, to render a federal law inoperative in the State’s jurisdiction…
    James Madison

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  • PatriotBren
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:47pm

    Sometimes the simplest resolution to a huge conflict is the last to emerge, yet would have the most swift and positive results.
    As many of us are absorbing the truths of our American history, our Constitution, our nation’s struggles and triumphs over evil, we must arm ourselves with the words of wisdom and knowledge from patriots at the time of our founding.

    The wisdom of a certain Judge Abel P. Upshur (aka “Locke”), whose writings of 1833, from “An Exposition of the Virginia Resolutions of 1798” , explained the simple yet effective power of nullification (or interposition) by the States against Federal usurpation:

    “Is there, or is there not, any principle in the Constitution of the united states by which States may resist the usurpations of the Federal Government, or are such usurpations to be resisted only by revolution?”

    …and so begins the thoughtful and solid position that whereby the States, each retaining their own sovereignty and relying on nullification, are in fact maintaining the Union as agreed to by all the States in the original compact.
    I stress this point to dispel the fear that nullification leads to secession.

    Upshur continues:
    ….”I have always considered the reserved powers of the States, as the only real check upon the powers of the Federal Government; and I have always considered it, not only the right, but the imperious duty of the State, so to apply that check as not to dissolve the Union. And I have never been able to discover any mode of doing this, except by the positive refusal of the States to submit to usurpations, whilst, at the same time, remaining in the Union. They force the Federal Government back within the charter of its power.”
    ‘A State which withdraws from the Union, breaks the Union.’

    Upshur continues citing language from the resolutions of 1798:
    to…“arrest the progress of evil” …the interposition of the States must be such as to maintain within their respective limits, the authorities, rights, and liberties, appertaining to them….as members of the Union.”

    This is the pure understanding of the relationship between the States and the Federal Government when the Constitution was ratified. The individual States, by their authority, delegated only the certain powers to the Federal Government that were enumerated in the Constitution.
    If we are to restore the Constitution and return to our founding principles, we must reach into our own State Legislatures. Nullification happens through each of our States and ‘We the People’. Not through Washington, DC. What’s left for us if repeal attempts fail and supreme court decisions are not in our favor? We must demand State Nullification of UnConstitutional “laws”. This is Interposition, which maintains the Union while defeating the usurpations of our present overpowering centralized federal government.
    Sounds simple, but getting there is not.
    We must think of ourselves as individual States first, again. As the ratifiers did at the signing. The Constitution is our weapon against tyranny.

    Many thanks go to Thomas E. Woods, Jr. for sharing Upshur’s wisdom in his book “Nullification – How to resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century”

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  • PatriotBren
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:38pm

    here’s another link:
    http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/
    learn people, learn…..

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:36pm

    I keep hearing about cutting spending then in the same breath they talk about saving medicare, medicaid, and social security. They only way to cut spending is to cut these services. Who ever said that the government owes us these entitlements. The sooner that you get this into your head the sooner this country can get back on track. Because when these entitlements are abused like they have been for the last 30 to 40 years it will never get any better. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    If we had any sense at all we would start demanding that they phase them out over the next 10 to 15 years. I don’t like anymore than the rest of you that I am saying this. But as long as the politicians are in control of these entitlements then they are going to stay insolvent. Because all of them think that this money belongs to them, not to the people.

    Just like income tax was to be temporary to get us out of debt for the war. But the politicians found out that they could keep it and get rich off of us. The U.S. didn’t have an income tax before WWII. So why are they still charging us for it? Because they are stuffing their pockets with it.

    I would like for us to take care of the elderly, but we have to do it on our own. That is what God says for us to do.

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    • Vince Vega
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:24pm

      Actually HEAVY, I think the “progressive” income tax was implemented to deal with WW!, but who’s counting….it WAS NOT supposed to be permanent….yeah right…a government program that’s temporary.
      Talk about yer oxymorons! Right up there with Senate Intelligence and jumbo shrimp.

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    • fatpatriot
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 6:30am

      Everybody wants cuts but nobody wants “theirs” cut. We have to come to the realization that if we are going to cut spending then everything has to be on the table.
      I am a Veteran and would not like to see austerity cuts to the Defense budget. At the same time time how many General’s and full bird colonels do we need in adminstrative roles at the Pentagon. Billions going to projects nobody wants .Really? Just asking…
      I am in my late 50′s and am looking forward to retiring at 62. Less benefits but I’d rather fish than work all the time. Don’t want to see cuts to folks who have nothing else to live on. I think a means test is appropriate for cutting Social Security and Medicare to start with. Does someone with a networth at retirement of 10′s of millions need the benefits? I doubt it. We would have to watch those that will game the system, by moving assets around, but I think this could be done. Personally if I had the where-with-all to not take benefits I wouldn’t, even today. Today your deductions for SS AND medicare stop after 107,000 in income. (May be wrong on the AND) ( may be wrong on 107k but I’m close) Anyway I don’t see any reason not to have deductions continue after 107k if it will help keep the system solvent.
      I am all for a great education system but ours is broken. Return the Dept of Education functions to the states. Let the citizens determine how much to spend on their citizens education. The idea that only the poor will be affected is complete hogwash.
      The welfare system has to be re-worked, re-designed whatever to make sure it does not become a career path. This not about black or white so don’t go there. Parents with young children on the system should be provided with counseling and education as a way out and off the welfare rolls. If they choose not to take advantage of the path then ,sorry, you’re on your own.
      Positive feedback is appreciated

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    • mamawalker
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 6:51am

      so right…entitlement mentality will be our downfall if we do not go back to the principles upon which this country was founded. The first thing we need to do after we repeal this bill is to address the issue of trial lawyers and runaway juries/judges and put a stop to the frivolous law suit syndrome. There is no such thing as an accident anymore – lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit – just another result of the entitlement mentality. Everyone realizes there are cases that require compensation but it has gotten out of hand and the people getting rich are the trial lawyers like my good friend John Edwards (huge sarcasm)! Enough is enough!!!

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  • pattybbb1
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:30pm

    we gotta use the 10th Amendment. check out nullifynow.com website. we have to get our state governor, legislature, all the way down to the local dog catcher to support the !0th Amendment to combat this mess!

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    • PatriotBren
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:37pm

      thanks PattyBBB1. we’re on the same page. I think a few here are receptive to learning the answer to this government that’s always been available, hardly ever used. Nullification.

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:22pm

    To Mintyfresh: Well for one thing not a whole lot of people actually know what’s in the new health care bill. But from what I have heard from the governments own mouth is that it will cause insurance companies to compete with the government which they can’t do. Then you will lose any health care that you already had. Then you will have to go on the government health care plan. It seems that Canada, and Europe are phasing it out and going to the system we now have. So that should give you a clue.

    Then there is the matter of raising the deficit when it does go into effect. Because there will be no private health care plans available then the government will have to raise taxes in order to pay for it.

    AARP sided with the government and said they would raise health care premiums but they are this month doing that very thing because of the obamacare. There are several more reasons why it should be repealed, but the main reason is that the president lied to the AMERICAN PEOPLE about it and now we have found out some of the truths about it.

    But it would be best for you to do some research on your own so you will know exactly where you stand in this mess.

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:42pm

      i suggest you read up a little more, because most of your premise is actually way off. actually all of it. that’s the power of repeated misinformation.

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:46pm

      I would add that the indivdual mandate is not only unconstitutional, but also morally wrong, as it restricts liberty of choice in a matter in which doing so does not prevent or punish demonstrable harm to other individuals.

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:27pm

      Specifics, minty, specifics. How is HEAVYDUTY wrong?

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    • Vince Vega
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:17pm

      Is there a doctor in the house that can give us some perspective on whether Minty is piping smoke into our orifice, and if so, exactly how much smoke?

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:28pm

      I am a doctor…

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    • Vince Vega
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:45pm

      @MINTY
      Point taken…that doesn’t mean that your opinions/conclusions are absolute or universal in your field.

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:55pm

      Absolutely not. Doctors are a wide array of people with varying opinions on this and every issue. Just responding to give you an idea where I am coming from.

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    • Vince Vega
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 12:11am

      Doctors are a wide array of people with varying opinions on this and every issue? Golly…who knew? Thanks for the news flash! I spent 20 years as a Sterile Processing Technician. SPTs, and most Americans, are a wide array of people with varying opinions on condescending doctors….just responding to give you an idea where I am coming from.

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 1:06am

      Wow. I was just voicing my agreement. how inflammatory are you when people disagree?

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    • Vince Vega
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 2:29am

      Very! I’m getting grumpy in my old age…

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    • Vince Vega
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 3:07am

      So MINTY, if you’re still following this thread, on page 2 PUDSSWEETIE has a link to a video of a doctor with an anti-Obamacare point of view. His conclusions seem to be very different from yours. Yes, he’s pushing a candidate (evidently another doctor)…I get that, but if you have a few minutes to watch it, I’d be interested in your take.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

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    • RavenGlenn
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 3:26am

      You sure do a lot of gum-flapping with no sources or evidence to back up your claims Minty. Already you ignored someone asking for specifics on exactly what facts this person got wrong.

      Now, you keep saying as a Doctor(which we have no idea if you are or not), that you know what it is in this bill. First, I highly doubt that as the people that signed it have no idea what is in it…Secondly, there are other credible doctors that have come out all over to talk about how terrible the bill is and how damaging it is.

      Either all these credible doctors, insurance agencies, and folks that have actually scoured the bill are wrong, or you are blowing smoke. So far, I’m going to listen to the people that have read the bill and can point to me where the text is that they are referencing. Sorry, but your: ‘ I’m a doctor so you are wrong‘ BS doesn’t cut it.

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 8:34am

      did I ever say I’m a doctor and I know? You read a lot into comments that isn’t there. Someone asked if there was a doc. I said yes. No more than that implied. 2. Yes I did ignore. On my phone it is hard to respond to so many problems. Plus im sure if you google you can find a more thorough non partisan report than I can type with my thumbs. Go ahead… Try reading something that isn’t fox news et al sponsored.

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  • clockwatcher
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:16pm

    Time to target the 23+ democrats that will be running in for the senate in 2012. Get the list of names out and force them to turn on the black Jimmy Carter. They saw how he disguared the dems that supported him for the health care vote.

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  • starman70
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:15pm

    Get rid of it. Repeal it and start again from scratch.

    By the way, we all have heard that AARP is whining about increased insurance costs for their employees under Obamacare. have you ever wondered as to why they were so intent on its passage, other than they didn’t read the bill either?

    They knew from the outset that Medicare reimbursements would be drastically cut. AARP is a provider of Medi-gap policies, which are contracted out to insurance companies for a fee or percentage of the premiums paid by the insured. Over the years, AARP has been paid millions of dollars by the insurance industry.

    The Medi-gap policies would have to be increased drastically to cover the shortfall when Medicare cut the benefits. That means that the insurance companies would have to raise premimums in order to meet the increased expenses. The more the premiums were raised, the larger the rebate would be to AARP when figured on a percentage basis. They saw dollar signs wheeling before their eyes, increased salaries for their executives and more money for their coffers. Congratulations to all the seniors who cut up their AARP cards and quit paying dues. Also if you are aware of any person, group or company perpetrating Medicare fraud, TURN THEM IN! We must all work to preserve our Medicare system and strive to keep it solvent.

    Obamacare was the problem. Obamacare was the cause. Obamacare is like cancera and like cancer it must be excised. It must be removed. After removal, it must be repalced with healthy tissue, a health care bill that will benefit the poor and underinsured. Lower premiums, across state line purchases and government aid for uninsured using existing insurance companies. IT CAN BE DONE!

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:43pm

      there is no cut in medicare benefits.

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:49pm

      now that i am rereading your post, i’m somewhat confused, as you seem to discuss reimbursements and benefits interchangeably. there is a problem with reimbursements, not related to the affordable care act. that should be the focus of the upcoming “doc fix” for medicare reimbursements. that being said, there still are no decrease in medicare benefits in the healthcare bill. sorry for the confusion.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 1:58am

      @ minty….so they lied when they stated numerous times a 5 hundred million cut to medicare…………ya right ive read the whole bill, you have no clue what your talking about

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 8:29am

      Decreasr in spending does not equal decrease in coverage.

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  • Rob
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:15pm

    This woman would love to see the destruction of America…just like the socialist.

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:14pm

    I think its only fair since we have had to endure his dictatorship for the last two years. Now he will get a taste of what we have had to go through.

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  • PeterThePainter
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:10pm

    Someone posted this video to watch…I did and learned some valuable facts. Its long with history and a well made documentary over the puppet masters…who they are. Gives to me a better understanding of President Obama’s direction. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936# Understand that our elected Congressman and Senator’s are exempt from insider trading laws. Go figure why they are all wealthy…after a couple of terms.

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  • PatriotBren
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:00pm

    This is why we, as sovereign States, need to nullify unconstitutional laws by the federal government.
    Join you state’s chapter of the TenthAmendmentCenter (or other like-minded group) and get involved to influence your state’s legislature. Waiting for lawsuits and repeal doesn’t have to be the only way.
    Thomas Jefferson and James Madison “wrote the book” on nullification as the only rightful remedy to the usurpations of the federal government.

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    • Jezreel
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:07pm

      That sounds correct. Since the healthcare bill is unconstitutional, there should be other ways to get rid of it. I am sure that they will search every nook and cranny. In the meantime while they are doing this, other things are sure to be unveiled and made visible to further ruin Obama’s credibility, that is already ruined already, even worse so. I am sure we will be surprised.

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  • Conservative Grinch
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:53pm

    Defund it and shut the government down.

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    • General K
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:59pm

      Shutting down the government is the kiss of death there should be other options. It sure didn’t help the GOP when it happened in 94.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:08pm

      ya um no……….defund the hc law, and shrink the government to its constitutional size. the extra stuff the fed does can be done at a state level. education, etc. etc. and implement the fair tax . everyone pays the same amount. all income is tax free……….you pay a tax when you purchase. not sure what the % should be but i can lay out an example. say you make the tax 13.5 % when mr richy rich goes and buys that 5000 dollar bottle of wine……13.5% tax when joe sschmo buys his bud 13.5% tax everyone pays the same % no more class envy. (actually will make those idiots crying about the rich not paying their share realize that if the rich are paying 70% of all incoming taxes to the fed, and the middle class is paying 30% of the fed income, and the lower class is actually getting PAID BY THE FED, …………that class warfare is really stupid to promote if your NOT PAYING TAXES …..

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  • joseph Fawcett
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:51pm

    I don’t have much faith in the repubicans and none in the democrats. We will see what happens the next two years.

    http://www.josephfawcettart.com western artist

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  • General K
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:42pm

    We realize the circumstances that a complete veto will not be possible with a Dem senate and Dem president till the next cycle of elections till we get more help to override a veto that would surely come with the present situation. The GOP needs to just chip away at the health care law by non funding till a better solution can evolve. WE UNDERSTAND.

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    • neverending
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:54pm

      just keep making the bastard in chief veto – veto till the end of time – who cares just make him keep on using the veto pen – just maybe it might wake a few more morons up – obviously there are not nearly enough awake yet – fairy harry winning is a sure example of that.

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    • General K
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:58pm

      I like it!

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  • hiramsmaxim
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:38pm

    sure we can wait LMAO read between the lines …….we got nothing better to do take your time along with your constituents…………breath a sigh of relief we got your back just do da tahng ya do best we are more than willing to wait and get screwed some more.

    WAKE UP AND
    GE
    T IT DONE
    or

    Find a new freeking JOB!!!!

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  • Archstone
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:35pm

    Since Obama will veto whatever they try in an effort to
    repeal Obamacare, we’ll have to wait until Obama is
    voted out and a Republian is sworn in in 2013. That
    will be the catalyst for getting him out. It seems to
    be falling apart already anyway.

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    • OneRepublic4us
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:13pm

      I know I need a job now so another two years isn’t going to cut it for me. With that said, I will be personally sending e-mails and posting vetos and budget cut rejections from the Democrats until my friends understand. I will also be watching what the Republicans are doing and they‘ll be hearing from me if they are RINO’s or “forget” what they were elected to do.

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:34pm

    You can never have a good deal with a bad guy, don’t work with POTUS.

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    • CatB
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 12:07am

      I would send the bill back to the Senate weekly and if they “happen” to pass it to Obama weekly just to make him veto it … by 2012 people will be so pissed he couldn’t get elected dog catcher even in Chicago!

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  • neverending
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:33pm

    Whatever it takes – stop the spending – start with pork and then the entire education department – the waste their is just disgraceful and our kids still don’t even know the basics. Paying for outside programs is just absolutely ridiculous – if the programs work and they really care about our kids then provide it to them without the extra billions making the administrators of the programs – the biggest rip off of all is the program Success for All – just disgusting.

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  • LSX
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:29pm

    The sooner the better.

    STOP OBAMACARE!

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    • mizflame98
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:38pm

      I figured as much. So long as the Republicans lack control of the senate and have a majority large enough to override a veto, I kind of wonder if we’ll ever see it repealed. The best we can hope for is not funding it. But I wonder how that stops the collection of taxes that is suppose to go to Obamacare?

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:38pm

      can you delineate the specific problems with the act that you have? everyone here just keeps calling for repeal, but i’m interested why? no one ever seems to list specifics…

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    • WORKS FROM HOME
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:50pm

      We really cant do anything. That is why we have to start working on getting people out to vote in 2012.
      The TEA party will put America back on the right track but it will take hard work. Anything worth doing takes hard work.

      We need to watch our reps every move and make sure everyone knows what they are doing. Blog about it and get paid. http://whamhost.info/

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:54pm

      Stop the spending, stop the health care, stop the out of control departments, and stop the expanding of government. We need to start now on saving our great country before we are forced to make more drastic changes by the simple point of total economic collapse. Mind you that is the ultimate point of a nightmare; we have to hold the political elites and the new electors accountable to the people of the land, and if they will not reign in the government – one step at a time now, then we take them out of office and find people who will.

      We still have time to do so, before events get totally out of control and we are forced by events to make the changes even harder than these will be needed now.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:58pm

      @mintyfresh……..if you had been paying attention……………it will cost too much, the government has no business telling me how to spend my money, there are way too many items in the bill that has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare, the federal government is overstepping its boundaries………..the list goes on and on.

      there where items that this bill covered that are good, but most of the “good ” items were already covered previously………….example==children were covered by their parents insurance up to 26 yr old BEFORE THE BILL…………they had to be students. now they can as pelosi said “take their time becoming productive citizens, cause the government will by force allow them to mooch off their parents”

      Children were covered allready…………period no matter what . pre existing issues were also covered, read you insurance plans, there are time period rules etc but essentially your covered.

      what the population wanted was to fix the issues with the existing system, not design a plan that will purposely destroy it

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:07pm

      @psychosis -

      1. it was not 26 before.
      2. children are not automatically covered.
      3. you are wrong about preexisting conditions.
      3. the bill pays for itself and then some, according to the congressional budget office.
      4. are you upset that state governments force you to buy car insurance?

      what is your role in health care that makes you an expert? curious, because you obviously don’t deal with it on a regular basis to know what you are talking about.

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:10pm

      @MINTYFRESH: Well how about the individual mandate for starters? This provision of the act requires that every U.S. citizen have a health insurance policy, regardless of whether they want it or not, or face a penalty. This is clearly unconstitutional, and I expect that the Supreme Court will overturn it before there is a chance of repeal. Beyond that, this provision also violates individual liberty, and is therefore morally as well as constitutionally wrong. There is also a provision of the act which requires small businesses to file a certain tax form which will cost them a lot of $$, and cost time as well.

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    • broker0101
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:15pm

      Today was another great day in the Real, Non-Cyber World. My family attended our local Taste of the Town event, where my daughter performed with her academy’s competition dance team. Glorious weather, low 70′s, sunny and breezy. Afterwords, we enjoyed a great, grilled chicken dinner at my wife‘s parent’s home with some family friends. We shared some great conversation and some good-hearted debates on many diverse topics.
      I only spend this time visiting you computer-obsessed, Glenn Beck disciples in hopes that even one of you might read this and realize that a real, rich, fulfilling life is possible if you breakaway from your computer, radio and television and actually venture out into that world and interact with it.

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    • Danglinbags
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:47pm

      @ Minty –

      Really, you come to the table with the “State governments make you buy car insurance” argument, really?!

      You are wrong. I won’t bore you with explaining enumerated powers, and the differences between Federal and State governments. I do not have to buy car insurance. I can ride my bike or the bus, and not have a car. The only way I can get out of buying government mandated health insurance is to die.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:48pm

      @ minty yes it was till you were 26……………you were required to be a student though
      2) all children are already covered…………every state has a chip program funded by the fed
      3)pre- existing conditions are covered……….if you had a condition, and lost your job and got a new healthcare plan all conditions are covered by law, except for any conditions from the last 6 months of your last plan.
      4) the bill does not pay for itself period.
      5) you are not mandated or required to buy car insurance. noone is forcing you to buy a car. if you dont want to pay car insurance, you dont have tobuy the car, but you have to buy health insurance whether you want to or not………….unconstitutional

      CURIOUS WHAT IS YOUR ROLE IN LIFE, CAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE LITTLE EXPERIENCE IN IT

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:56pm

      wow, some people aren’t convinced by facts, just propaganda. i’m not going to bother trying to convince you. you’ll just repeat the same falsehoods and misinformation. personally, i like to know what i’m talking about before i post.

      so you don’t own a car to avoid the mandated insurance? ok. i just asked if you were upset by that or not, which you did not answer.

      i’m a physician and deal with health insurance regularly, since you (quasi)asked.

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    • WORKS FROM HOME
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:58pm

      Danglinbags are you the OG Danglinbags?

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:58pm

      Wait a second PSYCHOSIS. You’re saying that pre-existing conditions were covered by insurance companies? Pre-existing conditions? When someone gets insurance their pre-existing conditions are covered? You’re stating that as fact?

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    • jds7171
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:16pm

      At least they are being honest and saying that it might not happen in the next two years. Which if you had a brain you could figure it out. But at least they are being real and transparent with us, so far.

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    • ozz
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:19pm

      @mintyfresh State imposed laws on car insurance are nothing like the health care law.
      1. You can vote with your feet by moving to a different state that does not impose this law. Then you do not have to buy insurance
      2. You can choose not to drive. Driving is a choice. Then you do not have to buy insurance
      3. You can self insure with a bond. Then you do not have to buy insurance.
      Lastly
      We were born with freedoms. The constitution grants some abilities to the federal and some to the state government.
      It did not grant either the ability to tax us based on our existence.
      That is what the health care law does.

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    • komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:25pm

      @mintyfresh–
      What facts? The only “real” “fact” you have stated is “the bill pays for itself and then some, according to the congreesional budget office”. Really? Is this the same CBO which said Clinton ran surpluses even though the debt went up every year he was in office?
      Besides, where in the Constitution is the Federal Government granted the power to tell people that they must buy anything?

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:50pm

      Again, i wasn’t comparing the two. just trying to gauge the climate by asking if people supported that or did not. no one has actually answered, but ascribed lots of meaning to my question.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:23pm

      Not going happen – do you want to tell parents who have kids that now can not be rejected for pre-existing condition – oh, sorry we are taking it back. That’s just one of the laws that have already gone into effect – want to be the politician who votes to take that back? http://maboulette.wordpress.com

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    • *************************
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 1:52am

      “Republicans said they were willing to work with President Barack Obama but also signaled it would be only on their terms.”
      ** memo to republicans **
      DO NOT WORK with Obama. Barack Hussein Obama in a Constitution Killer. Do the work WE SENT YOU TO DO — cleanse America of 100 YEARS of progressive (communism) sedition!

      sheriff BART: “You are my guest, and I am your host. What is your pleasure? What do you like to do?”
      town drunk JIM: “I don’t know. Play chess. Screw.”
      sheriff BART: “Let’s play chess.”
      -Blazing Saddles

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 5:54am

      Once upon a time there were government hospitals in every major county and in every major city for the less fortunate. Then something happened. People became afraid to go to these hospitals because the care was so bad. They scrapped that idea and now they are trying to get the government hospitals back with Obamacare.

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    • mamawalker
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 6:23am

      MINTYFRESH – I beg to differ with you. I am a state employee with BCBS and my children have been covered (since they are still full-time students, sigh…) since 2008 up to age 26. It was age 24 prior to that. Now all insurance coverage wasn’t to age 26 but the larger companies went to that provision as our children started taking much longer than four years to graduate – and that trend continues due to our public education system of which I am part and dream we will wake up and change!

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 8:23am

      Thats not disagreement. It just want 26 for all. Some, yes. All, no.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 2:59pm

      My problem with Obamacare is simple….it will put a bunch of narcissistic egomaniacs, miscreants, and corrupt government officials in charge of the best health care system in the world.

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    • oldoldtimer
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 4:38pm

      Maybe the SOTUS will save the Congress from having to try to repeal it. If the court finds for Va or the multiple state Fl suit the bill is dead. There is no seperatability clause. If any part is struck down as unconstitutiobnal then the whole bill is. Watch out for the Dems to try to sneak through a seperability amendment hidden in another bill that no one reads. Fact is every word of every bill during Lame Duck better be read under a microscope. They will try to punish the American people for voting them out of power.

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    • pajamash
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 5:19pm

      My healthcare premium went up over 30 percent for 2011 over 2010. If you add the increase in deductible it is about a 53 percent increase over 2010. Since the republicans say they cant repeal all of Obamacare until 2013, does that mean we can look forward to two more years of heavy increases?

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