GOP Presidential Hopefuls to Birthers: You Are Wrong
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WASHINGTON (AP) — It‘s the conspiracy theory that won’t go away. And it’s forcing Republican officials and presidential contenders to pick sides: Do they think Barack Obama was born outside the United States and disqualified to be president?
As the Republican candidates tiptoe through the mine field, Democrats are watching. They hope the debate will fire up their liberal base and perhaps tie the eventual GOP nominee to fringe beliefs that swing voters will reject.
In recent days several prominent Republicans have distanced themselves, with varying degrees of emphasis, from the false claim that Obama was born in a foreign country. But with a new poll showing that two-thirds of adult Republicans either embrace the claim or are open to it, nearly all these GOP leaders are not calling for a broader effort to stamp out the allegations.
“It’s a real challenge for the Republican Party and virtually every Republican candidate for president,” contends Democratic pollster Geoff Garin. If it’s not handled well, he said, all-important independent voters might see Republicans as extreme or irrelevant.
Many Americans consider claims of Obama’s foreign birth to be preposterous, unworthy of serious debate. Yet the “birther” issue threatens to overshadow the early stages of the GOP effort to choose a presidential nominee for 2012. Real estate mogul Donald Trump has stirred the pot lately, repeatedly saying Obama should provide his original birth certificate.
From a political standpoint, it’s impossible to dismiss the matter as conspiratorial fantasy, akin to, say, claims that the 1969 moon landing was staged. In the latest New York Times-CBS News poll, 45 percent of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22 percent said they don’t know. One-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born.
The same poll a year ago found considerably less suspicion among Republicans. A plurality of GOP adults then said Obama was U.S.-born, and 32 percent said they believed he was foreign-born.
In the latest poll, about half of all independents said Obama was born in the United States. The other independents were about evenly split between those saying he is foreign-born, and those saying they don’t know.
Ten percent of Democrats said Obama was born overseas, and 9 percent were unsure.
Obama’s birth certificate indicates he was born in Hawaii in 1961. Newspaper birth announcements at the time reported the birth, and news organizations‘ investigations have rebutted the birthers’ claims. The Constitution says a president must be a “natural born citizen.”
Trump‘s leap to the top tier of potential GOP presidential contenders in recent polls has frustrated party leaders who’d like the birthplace issue to go away.
The House’s top Republicans —Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor — say they are satisfied that Obama was born in Hawaii. But they have declined to criticize those who state otherwise, and Boehner has said it’s not his job to tell Americans what to think.
Trump, meanwhile, keeps fueling the fire. Even though many people doubt he will run for president, he has forced other Republicans to take stands.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania have been the most direct in rejecting the birthers’ claims. “I believe the president was born in the United States,” Romney told CNBC.
Santorum has no doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, and he “believes this debate distracts us from the real issues,” said his spokeswoman, Virginia Davis.
Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour accepts the president’s word about his birthplace, his staff said.
Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty told an Iowa audience, “I‘m not one to question the authenticity of Barack Obama’s birth certificate.” He added a little jab: “When you look at his policies, I do question what planet he’s from.”
When ABC‘s George Stephanopoulos showed a copy of Obama’s birth certificate to Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, who was ambivalent at first, she said: “Well, then, that should settle it. … I take the president at his word.”
Former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin gave mixed signals in a recent Fox News appearance. She praised Trump for “paying for researchers” to dig into claims of Obama’s foreign birth. But she added, “I think that he was born in Hawaii because there was a birth announcement put in the newspaper.”
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has dismissed claims that Obama is foreign-born, calling them a distraction. But on a February radio show, Huckabee referred to Obama “having grown up in Kenya,” the birthplace of the president’s father.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (AP)
Obama grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. A spokesman said Huckabee’s statement was simply a mistake.
Aides to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said voters have not asked him about the birthplace question and he has not discussed it.
The issue has spread to several states where Republican-controlled legislatures have introduced or passed bills requiring presidential candidates, and sometimes others, to prove their citizenship. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, recently vetoed such a bill, calling it “a bridge too far.”
Democrats think the birthplace issue might fire up liberals, especially minorities, who in many cases have been dispirited by Obama’s frequent compromises with conservatives to pass legislation. Blacks who embraced Obama’s barrier-breaking election now see some Republicans claiming he has no constitutional right to be president.
The New York Times-CBS poll was worded in a way that might have subtly encouraged respondents to say Obama is foreign born. “Some people say Barack Obama was NOT born in the United States,” the poll’s callers said, but they did not offer counter arguments.
Moreover, some pollsters think respondents will seize a chance to call Obama a Muslim or non-citizen to convey something else: a dislike for him or his policies.
“Some people who strongly oppose a person or proposition will take virtually any opportunity to express that antipathy,” writes Gary Langer, who polls for ABC News.
Garin, the Democratic pollster, doesn’t buy it in this case. The birthers’ claims are so prevalent, especially on conservative TV and radio shows, he said, that poll respondents are likely to say what they truly believe about a much-discussed topic.
“There are high- profile people, including Donald Trump and many others in the conservative media, who advocate and validate this point of view each and every day,” Garin said. The big question about the birthplace issue, he said, “is the extent to which it drives a wedge within the Republican Party” and turns off independents in November 2012.
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Comments (489)
Psychosis
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:04pmactually, the media is intentionally asking the wrong questions
it doesnt matter where this fraud was born
it does matter if both his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth
his father was not, and never was
his adopted father was not
he had to change his citizenship to attend school in indonesia as they only allowed citizens to attend school at that time
so, citizenship concerns have nothing to do with location of birth in this situation, and he does not qualify as a natural born citizen as per the constitution thus he is ineligible for that office
but, sadly, the media refuses to ask the right questions, and politicians are afraid to point out the obvious violation
Report Post »ninecats
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:07pmyou and I are on the same page.
Report Post »No To The Tea Party
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:15pmThe blind leading the blind, LOL.
tifosa
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:18pmWrong. It ONLY depends on where he was born.
Report Post »David, the Constitutional Libertarian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 8:28pmBeen saying that since day one.
Natural Born, it is the only difference between being a senator and president.
NOW, we have the leftists saying that even if you are born out of the Republic, if you are naturalized you can be president.
You know why they are making that argument now don’t you? Because he CANNOT produce the BC.
Abercrombie stated flat out that the BC does NOT exist.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:51pmYou are making up rules that simply do not exist.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:24amAnyone born here is a natural born citizen regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Being taken to another country does not invalidate your status as a natural orn citizen. You have to be an adult to give up your citizenship, it can’t be taken from you.
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:18pm@Chet
Anyone born here is a natural born citizen regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Being taken to another country does not invalidate your status as a natural orn citizen. You have to be an adult to give up your citizenship, it can’t be taken from you.
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Wrong
US vs Wong never said that. If one is born here of foriegn parents not under US jurisdiction the country of the parents is the country of the child’s even though they might be citizens of the place of birth. That has the singular dictinction of jus solis. For one to be considered a natural born Citizen one must be born of US Citizen parents under US jurisdiction on US territory. That has the dual distinction of jus solis et jus sangris. An allegiance to home country of which there is no doubt.
Report Post »urstrange
Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:02am“We” must suffer from the same PSYCHOSIS of utter amazement that a usurping faux POTUS committing “the biggest hustle in human history” is being ignored and “We” cannot even grasp the depth of destruction and corruption within our blessed Republic that this represents. Cutting to the chase…DUAL CITIZENS ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO OCCUPY THE OFFICE OF POTUS. Being duly, debatable in O.whodat’s case, elected and then being protected by elected oafficials who swore to “protect and defend the Constitution” who are blatantly breaking that oath points to who the REAL psychotics are and they are thriving in the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branch of “We the People’s” government in their self-polluted District of Criminals.
Report Post »cashprize
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:01pmI do care if the man is legitimately the President of the United States according
to the Constitution.
It is Resonable that when you find a person spending MILLIONS of doollars
to keep something hid to believe that there is something that is more profitable
to him than the MILLIONS that he is spending.
Any person who cannot see this logic, is just too gullible to reason with.
Now if the TRUE Obama Believers said that Obama was doing this
because it would make Republicans look bad and therefore he could
again win the Presidency, I could at least see the logic; That could be
worth Millions.
However, when any Obama believer says to me, he was born here and
he has already shown his Birth place proof and YET he is still spending
MILLIONS to hide the official documents, that is nuts! There would be
nothing left to hide concerning where he was born.
That said; Are there any of the FEW progressives who come to post here
WILLING to admit that he is paying MILLIONS to hide something?
Inquiring minds what to know!
Report Post »No To The Tea Party
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:14pmHow do you know he has spent millions of dollars?
Was this reported on Fox News ?
If this is true, I hope he used your tax dollars to do it.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:48pmTypical misinformed Fox News viewer. Obama total legal bill was 2 Mil. a small fractio was to deal with birther BS. Rest went to fund raising issues, audits by FEC, etc.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:26amEncinom is right. Two million went to all legal costs related to his campaign. Considering that each state has slightly different election laws, it’s not surprising that legal bills will mount up fast.
Report Post »Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:00pmWho cares – ?
I say – let‘s get him out of office so that it’s a moot point.
Report Post »Then have your debate.
BetterDays
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 8:15pmUncommon sense!
Report Post »But I fear 2012 will be to late, if so? Then what?
ninecats
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:59pmI think he was born in Hawaii, but I also think he is a Phillipine citizen. I think he was adopted by his stepfather and given Phillipine citizenship. I think that information is amended to his original birth certificate and that is what is being hidden. The passport and college records have him as a foriegn student.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:36amThe Supreme Court ruled in Perkins v Elg 1939 that being taken to another country as a child does not negate your right to invoke your citizenship and return here to live as an adult. Only an adult can give up their citizenship, no one can take it away from you.
He did not go to college as a foreign student. This misinformation came from an April Fool’s Day hoax two years ago.
Report Post »Uncurable wound
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:58pmSafari time-Death to smoochie!
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:10amDon’t just SAY “Birthers” are wrong; PROVE IT. You can’t.
Report Post »barrycooper
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:58pmHow in the hell do you call the claim “false”? What is wrong with you? Is 3=5? Is green the same as red? This is literally a battle for our collective capacity to see what is in front of us. If we lose that ability, EVERY–EVERY–other battle will be lost. This is as clear as the fact that day follows night.
So you get Mitt Romney or some other knucklehead in the White House. What then? The bulk of Americans are still jackasses whose views are largely formed by a mass media with very clearly defined propaganda objectives. They created a stir over a paltry 2% cut in the largest annual deficit in American history. Why will that change?
How will you change that by lending credibility to the farcical claim that Obama has done anything like provide a birth certificate? We have a picture of a redacted copy of a certificate only one group has been allowed to handle. We are supposed to trust them. Why? Why are we supposed to trust the word of a Democratic functionary in Hawaii, who was presumably given a talking to by Obama himself just before the election?
Why do we have a Freedom of Information Act? Would it be needed if everyone everywhere in government always told the truth? Is it your contention that we should not verify any statements made by any politicians or their representatives?
Grow a pair, and see what is in front of your nose. If we allow these sorts of affronts to truth to stand, we are finished as a nation. It doesn’t matter who gets elected in 2012. There is always some excuse for lies and evasions. Failure is easy. It is genuine progess that takes will, focus, and intense preparation and thought.
Report Post »Teleologicus
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:31pmThere is indeed a kind of Twilight Zone, Through the Looking Glass flavor to much of the public debate about whether or not Mr. Obama has told Americans the truth about his life. One gets a weird, uncanny feeling at times, as though he had stumbled into an alternate reality in which 3 does equal 5 and red is indeed the same as green. There is some sort of cultural sickness here that is not confined by party lines. People on all sides of the political spectrum seem suddenly to have lost the ability to reason clearly.
There is nothing in the least complicated here. A controversy exists about the facts of Mr. Obama’s life and the story he has told Americans about himself. The birth certificate is part but by no means all of this, for almost the entirety of Mr. Obama’s records and documents covering his entire life have been kept secret from the American people. This looks exceedingly suspicious, particularly when he refuses to provide any explanation for such remarkable secrecy. He seems to be hiding something. People want to see the records so they can decide for themselves if he is telling the truth.
It is not necessary to have a theory about his birth to smell a rat in all this unexplained secrecy. Those who keep using the dismissive and misleading term “birthers” to describe Americans who want more information about Mr. Obama are either ignorant of the extent of the degree to which he has kept all documents about himself secret – or they prefer not to acknowledge it. This is a much bigger and potentially more serious matter than the mysterious original birth certificate. There are suspicions about Mr. Obama that have nothing to do with his eligibility. He has provoked these suspicions by keeping so much of his record secret.
It is very discouraging to observe Republican leaders and others succumbing to media intimidation and making absurd public professions of personal faith in Mr. Obama’s citizenship, something they cannot possibly know for certain on the basis of publicly available information. It is also dismaying to see such people ignoring the pervasive secrecy about the rest of Mr. Obama’s life. And when they seem to wag their fingers at us as though to scold and say “Shhh! Be quiet! You’ll cause us to lose votes if you keep asking questions like that!” one no longer knows whether to laugh or cry. They do not seem to be serious people. They do not seem to have intestinal fortitude. They do not seem to be interested in the truth. These are not the leaders America deserves and requires to meet the present crisis.
The Obama records which have not been released include:
Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules(said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.
Report Post »Bullwinkle
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:59pmI absolutely agree with you both. There is much more to this than the birth certificate. How many ordinary Americans know anything about this man, other than what is in his ghost written “autobiographies?”
It‘s a matter of concern simply because he won’t release anything proving much of anything about who he is. Never have we known so little about the leader of our nation. Anyone who raises valid, common sense questions about Obama is automatically a racist and/or birther. Can you imagine the furor if Bush had done anything even remotely like this? Can you recall any other president who did anything similar to this to hide his records?
Report Post »EQUALIZER
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:58pmRINO’S HAVE BEEN DUPED, BAMBOOZLED, HORNSWAGGLED, WAYLAYED, HIJACKED by the NAACP,AFL-CIO, CAIR
Report Post »geonj
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:58pmthese candidates need to refuse to engage in birther talk with the media and with their dem counterparts. just ignore it and stick to the important talking points, like budget cuts and economic and job growth.if the media pushes on the birther crap, the candidates need to be agressive and force the media to stay on topic.
Report Post »EL ZORRO
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 6:19pmObama could not have become a candidate without Sen. Claire McCaskill. Following the NYT articles about McCain’s eligibility problems, she used that as a smokescreen to help Obama. After getting McCains birth certificate but not Obama’s, she tried to cirvumvent the Constitution with S 2678 (failed) and SR 511, which stated that McCain was eligible and others born outside the country once thought ineligible were actually elibible (Obama). It was a lie, but both parties signed the resolution making them all guilty of violating the Constitution. Repubs signed because they thought McCain could beat Hillary. Dems signed it to make Obama eligible. Hillary did not expose Obama because she had enough delegates to get the nomination. At the convention the nation got snookered as did Hillary and McCain when Howard Dean forced Hillary’s delegates to illegally switch their votes to Obama. Congress(remember this was Pelosi congress) will not impeach Obama or even think of it because they would have to impeach themselves or face voter wrath when the truth comes out. Their lack of integrity keeps them silent while the nation suffers.
Report Post »Meanwhile, Republicans, formely members of an opposition party, cower in FEAR over any posible liberal condemnation perpetrated by the M.SM.
We now know that our political elite in boths parties and the M.S.M don’t care about the constitution . They only care about maintaining they power and privilege.
I realy fill very suspicios of this OBAMA,S MERCENARIES, posting here in “defense of the repubicans” advising them to not follow the issue of OBAMS,S INELIGIBILITY, because it will be bad for them, that is very cheap REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY, IN REALITY THEY ARE WETTING IN THEIR PANTS BECAUSE THE INELIGIBILITY ISSUE DO NOT GO AWAY LIKE THEY WHERE HOPPING, AND NOW IS GAINING STRENGTH WITH EVERY PASSING DAY THAT BARRY SPAT AT THE CONSTITUTION.
EL ZORRO
SAYNOTOSOCIALISM
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:56pmCoulda been born in Iowa…. STILL has dual citizenship, and therefor NOT QUALIFIED
Report Post »The BC does not matter!
swigs
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:44pmBingo!
That‘s the issue that needs to be discussed not where was he born or where’s the B/C..
That’s the billion dollar question Trump should be asking as well…Can a dual citizen be Constitutionally eligible for POTUS?
Report Post »anniyan428
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 10:00pmactually it doesn’t matter. A natural born citizen is anyone born in the United States. End of discussion. The united states government does not recognize multiple citzenships in contradiction with U.S. law. So basically, they could care less if you are a dual citizen (it doesn’t have any affect on U.S. law), but you must adhere to United States law ( I know because I am applying for dual citizenship right now)
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 10:27pm@anniyan428
“A natural born citizen is anyone born in the United States. End of discussion.”
Source?
A dual citizen running for POTUS is against the law. Especially if he remained a dual citizen and actually held office.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:32pmThere is nothing in the Constitution nor in U.S. law that forbids one born with dual citizenship from being President.
If you think there is, show the law.
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:52am@Islesfordian
The COTUS was never intended to be a code book for the micromanagement of gov’t. It‘s broad principles were written as Supreme Law to place positive limitations on central gov’t.
You can ignore the natural law of nations and declare the most absurd machinations for the meaning of NBC. All I have to do is look to those who have held office in the past and know that a dual citizen defined under US title 8 doesn’t fit the same definition of NBC for all POTUS with the exception of the founders who grandfathered themselves in. So other than Chester Authur and BHO who else isn’t a NBC POTUS?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 10:08amSWIGS,
Report Post »NBC isn’t defined by those who have held the offioce of POTUS but by the LAW. Since your definition isn’t in the Law what you say is meaningless. You are pulling definitions out of your ass.
swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 2:44pm@Islefordian
“NBC isn’t defined by those who have held the offioce of POTUS but by the LAW. Since your definition isn’t in the Law what you say is meaningless. You are pulling definitions out of your ass.
The turd you’re obsessing on has no relevence to the Constitutional eligibility clause. Show me where the 14th Amendment changed altered modified the eligiblity requirement of COTUS for POTUS? And then tell me how every POTUS except for the founders are not natural born Citizens. Go ahead show where they aren’t born of of US citizen parents born on US jurisdictional territory.
Show where Odumba is not a dual citizen and eligible for POTUS.
Maybe the next thing you’ll have us believe is he was concieved immaculately
Report Post »GardenoftheGods
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:55pmQuestion with Boldness? I’m so very disappointed in Glenn Beck! I detest being called a “birther” just because I just want Obama to release what every other President has in his darn Presidential Library… Personally, I think he hasn’t released his long form certified copy for one simple reason…when one is adopted, the original certificate is destroyed & replaced with one bearing the adopted father’s name. I know, my son was adopted. I think the whole problem boils down to Obama simply didn’t change his name back to Barack Hussein Obama Jr. legally. If that’s the case, the American people are an understanding & forgiving people. What bothers me is, why the CT social sec. number? Why is he paying millions to hide any papers or writings from Harvard & Columbia? Why are he & the Mrs. not on the deed to their home (yet 3 political supporters are? Why does the MSM show zero interest into his Tony Rezko connections? And so on, and so on…the questions abound…but Mr. Obama is silent! How does that makes me a “birther”? I have no problem believing he was born in HI! I want to know what he’s hiding; and why it’s so darn important to hide it!
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:54pm“….the original certificate is destroyed & replaced with one bearing the adopted father’s name….”
I’m not so sure about that. HI dept of records are pretty good about that. If one ever existed you can bet they would have a copy of it. It seems more likely all they got is a Kenyan BC and are being tight lipped about it. Either way no one will know for sure since he (odumba) made all his records secret first day in office and has spent nearly 2 million (most of it tax money) to keep them from seeing the light of day in court.
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 6:56amBirther, birther, birther. Oh, I almost forgot… Racist!!!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 11:09amGardenofthegods,
I don’t think you qualify as a Birther. To me a Birther is one who sees the birth certificate issue as the hidden evidence that Obama wasn‘t born here and isn’t legally Preseident and that this evidence is the silver bullet that will take him down.
I agree that Obama has been given a complete pass by the media on his past and background. And his slavish press continue to avoid looking at his biography and personal connections. These things ARE relevant. But I contend, and I’m sure that all these potential GOP candidates agree, that what is far, far MORE relevant is what Obama is DOING in office, not WHO HE IS (or was). It is his POLICIES, not his BIOGRAPHY that should be the focus of the campaign.
Once we get the majority of Americans to wake up to what is being done to their country and how bad a president this clown is, then and only then will they be ready to see just how much of a Trojan Horse they allowed into the Oval Office in 2008. While they still are on the fence about whether they like him as a President they are not going to favorably listen to us telling them he’s an alien usurper. We will only succeed in turning them off to US, not to HIM. If we allow accusations of being a Manchurian Candidate become part of the oppositional narrative those who we are trying to wake up will turn us off and go back to bed.
Report Post »westlake
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:53pmGOP VOTER TO RHINOS:
Report Post »No vote for you until you stop ripping out of the constitution the section regarding “Presidential Eligibility.”
mossbrain
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:12pmNo vote for you…hah ha ha, reminds me of No Soup for you, from the Sienfield show, especially now that Jerry Sienfield and
Report Post »Trump are in a feud over the birther issue.
Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:28pmYou morons are as arrogant as the progressives thinking you alone can define what the Constitution means. “Screw the law. Our opinions are what matters” Rot!
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 8:01pm@(foolish dreams)
Report Post »Show it or go home. Why is it such a big deal, did you show yours to get a Job, probably. Did, you get a drivers license ? Passport ? Then you showed yours, so did every other American, So the President who is SUPPOSED to be our public servant is so high and mighty He doesn’t have to show his ? You are indeed a false teacher, let’s all go crawl into holes and burry our heads because mr. False idols ( Icon man) said so!
5.56x45_7.62x51_.50bmg
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:52pmImpeachment Hell. Treason?..
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:39pmI want one too! ( ie your handle.)
Report Post »pappy
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:16pmIf I have a choice, can I have the 50 cal BMG?
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:52pmWell, it’s a educated gamble on the part of hopeful Republican contenders except for The Donald. They’re all betting Trump will self-destruct on this issue, opening the door to somebody else. Right now I’d have to say that Donald Trump is sucking all of the oxygen out of the Republican Presidential Sweepstakes. Put him within half a mile of a camera or microphone and the media comes running. Nobody else is getting adequate coverage now so this is their shot. Of course, if Trump produces irrefutable proof that Obama was born outside of the USA, he’s………..IN!
Report Post »blue eyed devil
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:51pmSomeone will pay enough to figure this thing out and his name is Donald Trump
Report Post »BocaBaby
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 1:09pmyou are smart!
Report Post »Teleologicus
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:50pmInsulting Americans who are demanding more information about their president by calling them conspiracy theorists and the pejorative and misleading term “birthers” is not a winning strategy. These Republican hopefuls have bought into the media, i.e. Democrat narrative that only kooks and fringe types doubt the story Mr. Obama has told Americans about his life. They are nervous Nellies who are afraid to demand the truth about Mr. Obama because they have been led to believe that this will make them look foolish and cost votes. But the only people who look foolish, who in fact are foolish, are those who oppose the acquisition of more facts about Mr. Obama to determine if he has been telling the truth. There are legitimate doubts about him that go far beyond his birth certificate, for he has inexplicably kept virtually all of the documentation of his entire life secret from the American people. He refuses to give any reason for this remarkable and, I suspect, unprecedented secrecy. His media bodyguards and flak catchers never ask for such information. They confine their investigations to those who question or dispute Mr. Obama and his politics.
Ordinary Americans smell a rat – a very big rat. They are not about be be shushed by anybody, Right, Left, or in-between until they get the truth about their president. It is time for Mr. Obama to come clean and release EVERYTHING he has been keeping secret from Americans. He is a public employee. He works for the American people. He has no business whatsoever keeping ANYTHING about himself secret if they want to know.
The Obama records which have not been released include:
Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules(said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.
Report Post »Viking64
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:39pmVery nice post, I agree with you , the pressure should be kept up till we as Americans can get some solid facts on Obama’s past. Obama in my view is the worst president in our history, however he is a sly radical progressive secular who is wise and strong in how he manipulates policies and allies to his and their socialistic ends.. I strongly believe over half of his base will never understand or care what he does, especially minorites, as they will vote exclusively race oriented or Democratic. There are so many questionable issues about Obama, even the lying left won’t be able to cover it for ever.!
Report Post »bestartist
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:54pmYes, thank you, we smell a rat, indeed.
Report Post »I began…hahaha, as a delegate for , gasp! Hillary, and lived through the absolute BS of the Dem caucuses and primaries where, eventually, Obama was anointed.
Obama as as the Dem candidate made the scales fall from my eyes and made me embrace my inner conservative Libertarian.
I despised Obama from the very first and there was something about him that never added up, WAAAAAAY before I heard about anything regarding the Birth Certificate or Obama’s citizenship……..
a RAT indeed.
There is something rotten indeed and when the truth comes out everyone who listens to their gut and their spidey sense of smell will be exonerated, while all those too weak to tackle the Imposter In Chief as the fraud he is, will make excuses and fall on their swords to say, ” well they always knew it…but…”
arnash
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 10:34amI have a growing suspicion that those who beg the Obama questioners to quit and to “stop being distracted” and to “focus on more important things” and “stop playing into the Progressives’ plot to divide the Republicans“ and ”the birther issue is a conspiracy of the left to split the party” these voices may just be one individual who is a wolf in sheep‘s clothing out to discredit and insult the wisdom of asking questions that haven’t been answered. Such a person may be a “Dis-information” plant to silence those who are pulling on a string that could unravel the whole gigantic fraud if not stopped. He/they know that the string is attached to a nest of bombs that can blow the Obama presidency to pieces. So won’t you please stop pulling on it, please, you‘re too stupid to know what you’re doing! That string is bad for “us”, we need to focus on “getting him out of office” If we keep pulling, there’s no telling what might happen! (as in…KAABOOOOM!!! -the string was attached to a bomb of facts that have collapsed the whole damn house of cards!)
Report Post »Waltermelon
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 5:18pm@arnash
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 10:34am
I have a growing suspicion that those who beg the Obama questioners to quit and to “stop being distracted” and to “focus on more important things” and “stop playing into the Progressives’ plot to divide the Republicans“ and ”the birther issue is a conspiracy of the left to split the party” these voices may just be one individual who is a wolf in sheep‘s clothing out to discredit and insult the wisdom of asking questions that haven’t been answered. Such a person may be a “Dis-information” plant to silence those who are pulling on a string that could unravel the whole gigantic fraud if not stopped. He/they know that the string is attached to a nest of bombs that can blow the Obama presidency to pieces. So won’t you please stop pulling on it, please, you‘re too stupid to know what you’re doing! That string is bad for “us”, we need to focus on “getting him out of office” If we keep pulling, there’s no telling what might happen! (as in…KAABOOOOM!!! -the string was attached to a bomb of facts that have collapsed the whole damn house of cards!)
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Only a barbarian would resort to such tactics…
Report Post »wianno94
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:50pmI‘ll be a birther because I’m not running for anything. Show me the original information from which his birth certificate was generated. Show me the whole newspapers that contained the birth announcements. Show me some real people that grew up with, went to school with, were friends with, played sports with, roomed with, worked with him, during his first 25 years of life. Show me the letters granting him scholarships to attend schools. Show me some papers, tests, writings produced by him while at school. Why? Because I‘d like to know SOMETHING about this President’s background. I‘ve know about all the others I’ve seen come and go during my life, all the way back to FDR. The rest I can read about, except for this man.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:57pmI heard that a lot od States are going to make a law that a B.C. must be shown by all who are running for office for 2012.This would include Obumbling Idiot.
Report Post »No To The Tea Party
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:12pm@ Bo Will Win
Yeah right, like Arizona just tried to pass. What happened???
Report Post »Jan Brewer ( Republican and Tea ****** ) vetoed the bill requiring a long form birth certificate.
‘Nice try, next.
thebarbarian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:13pmthen thankyou for helping to didide the vote and allowing the letf to win a short victory.wianno94. that position is dangerous .as for the marxist/leftist trolls your days are numbered either wat.
Report Post »1- we win and the indictment not impeachment process begins
2-you get a short victory and ovomit gets another 5 years and pushes too hard against those who love freedom. and as chapter 6 of the comming insurrection states your end will come swiftly. and i’ll add decisively. remember the root of decide citiere means to cut.we will cut the disease that you are from our country.
FIGHTTHEPROPAGANDA
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:49pmThe reason behind the Constitution‘s birthplace requirement is that the founders didn’t want a president with foreign allegiances. Regardless of where Obama was born, I do think he has foreign allegiances. Isn’t this obvious in his policies?
Granting oil drilling rights to Chinese and Venezuelan companies — but not American companies? Bowing before foreign dictators? Giving away Britain’s nuclear stockpile locations to the Russians? Granting Chinese and Middle Eastern nuclear experts access to our technologies . . . and a whole host of irresponsible and treasonous treaties?
Report Post »betterthantv
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:49pmBeen kinda embarrassing to be a Republican lately. With all the policy issues to fight we seem stuck on stupid here. This is why we never win big. Too many morons on the far right. Even if he was born in Kenya or even Mars for that matter. There is NOTHING that the establishment or LSM are going to do about it. It’s easy to beat this man on policy. So why are we being so stupid?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:20pmStop that, no logic or reason allowed here, this is the Blaze where rumors equal truth and conspiracy theories and racist views are rewarded. Policy debate, that sounds like pretty fancy talk, we don’t trust fancy talk, usually mean you have an education or something, went to some fancy university, proberly think the world is more than 6,000 years old. You are a progressive, RINO, commie, muslim.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:47pm@ENCINOM
Report Post »Quit lying, you know no facts are required, nor civility which is why you are here.
Now get back on task doing pi to the last integer!
conrad_carter
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:48pmMost all people here are smarter than the polticians.
Here’s the birth certificate:
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
Now that wasn’t too hard was it?
Report Post »godfather
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:42pmActually that is fake. When Obama was born, the Republic of Kenya did not exist. It was not called the Republic of Kenya until December 12, 1964, which is after the date on the your “alleged” birth certificate. Also, if that is his “original” birth certificate, why would it have been issued three years after he born, and while he was living in a different country?
Report Post »kingssman
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 8:06pmLOL that kenya fake certificate actually looks more real than the green copy live birth one
Pretty sad that the fake certificate had more “passible” credentials and authentic appearance than the one BHO showed.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:45pmAnd Allen West “didn’t offer his own opinion on Obama’s citizenship during the public forum. So PostOnPolitics asked him after the meeting. “He is a citizen. He’s the president. I mean, that’s all I know. I am concerned about his policies,” West said.” http://theconservativediva.net/allen-west-advises-conservatives-to-focus-on-obamas-radical-policies/
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:50pmEt tu Allen West? Would he also deny the birthers, are they all RINOS? Who will pick up the batton of the real estate agent/dentist/attorney Taitz?
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:00pmEncinom
Report Post »That makes even less sense than you usual rantings. Tell Momma you need some milk and cookies for energy.
BetterDays
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:43pm@BIGJAYPA
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Da Kingfish
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:57amIf the truth be known i bet Louie Farrakahn is Obummers daddy, why not have a dna test done, that’s what he is trying to hide, when u examine the Hawaiian BS, O bumblers race is shown as African, As a college student, surely Odumbo’s daddy would have known his race is Black.
Report Post »JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:44pmDoes not matter where it was spawned
It must go in 2012
Report Post »Fight for America
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:44pmFunny (not), we the public get probed and poked and told that nothing good will happen for us if we don’t produce this or that legal document. Even libraries want background checks for volunteer reading helpers who are not left alone with their child charges. SO, what makes this man better than all of us? IF it‘s true he’s paying big bucks to keep this document away from the public eye – does this make him intelligent? I mean, all that money for lawyers could be donated to a non-political group that provides extra food or backs a clinic. Nah, that would be too simple and make too much sense.
Report Post »WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 8:10pmFight For America…. Not only would that make too much sence, these people do not see helping others with their money, but only use to control those they can control and to heck with the rest. They are a greedy self seving bunch. Lotus.
Report Post »Exorcist
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 3:29amThese Rinos colluded with the socialists in the 2008 campaign and now they have to cover their ass by insisting the ineligibility issue is irrelevant. No wonder the Hussein guy openly said the he’s not worried for it is a problem for Republicans. You took my ‘bribe and you have to fix it because if exposed, you’re toast first.
Report Post »blatzkeg
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:42pmonly one parent was american that nullifies him.plus where is anyone in congress with enough balls to start impeachment,for going into libya.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:22pmIgnorant nonsense. Check the U.S. laws defining these things rather than basement blogs.
godfather
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:44pmIf you care to take the time, look at how the Supreme Court has defined “natural born citizen” as used in the constitution. You will find that a natural born citizen must only be born in the U.S. regardless of where his or her parents are from. Last time I checked, Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution are the law of the land.
Report Post »NYSTREETKID
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:54pmwell,well,here we go again on my own. going down the only road I ever known. That right folk the 1980′s are back. The time before reagan. The dark ages have returned. This time, there is no savng grace(Ron Rex Magnus Reagan). The relic of The GOP good old boy(girl) has shown it head. The “new”thing that glen id doing is called a sell out.One of the biggest progressives and new age bible bumber is Rev Billy graham. He has be part of the new world order change the church since 1956. He is been on boards of programs run with money form“spooky Dude”soros. This is the new teacher of Glen( a LDS Church member). He is not a mormon if he goes the way of graham or not a born again christain if he is in the LDS church. Gov Huck of Ark,comes from the same lines a mr.graham and hold the same views. Then why is Huck a progressive and not to be trusted ,but you go to graham for leadership? The guy beck is a angel of light. He was right on point,till what happened. Change or the truth comes clean in the wash.I dont know. We need to start asking were is the proof in his works as a test of a prophets.if not 100%,then he is of the dark one
Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:00pmGodfather, the Supreme Court has NEVER defined natural born citizen as you propose. Please cite the actual case if you really know of one.
People claim many things but when you investigate the facts they are so often shown to rest upon subjective and often invented interpretations of unpofficial opinions. I cite U.S. Law. It is easy to find and clear of meaning. It is only stubborness that refuses to deal with it.
Report Post »godfather
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:45pm@ISLESFORDIAN
Actually, in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court did define what a natural born citizen is. They looked to English common law at the time the Constitution was ratified to find their definition. At that time, a natural born citizen was defined as someone born within the country, whether or not the parents were citizens.
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 10:39pm@Godfather
“Actually, in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court did define what a natural born citizen is.”
Wrong blatantly false.
http://federalistblog.us/2006/12/us_v_wong_kim_ark_can_never_be_considered.html
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:29pmGodfather, my apologies. I COMPLETEY misread what you said in your first post. I missed the “only” in your sentence. My bad. I thought were claiming natural born citizens MUST be born in America.
You are quite right that mere birth in the U.S. has been construed as sufficient for natural born citizenship. I will quibble with the idea that Congress is unable to change that definition. I do not hold to the idea that SCOTUS has authority to make law through definition. But that is a moot point here as current legislation agrees with this point vis a vis citizenship by mere birth on U.S. soil regardless or parentage.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:35pmSwigs,
The problem with your position is that you are arguing both against The Supreme Court and the U.S. Code created by Congress. And who do you put up on your side? Some blog written by no one of any authority.
This is the problem with birthers. Facts and definitive law don’t seem to matter that much.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:20am@Swigs
Report Post »All that the drivel you linked to does is give an argument in favor of the contention that US v Wong Kim Ark was decided wrongly. This doesn’t change the fact that it was decided, and that it has never been overturned. Whether you agree with the decision or not, that makes it the law of the land. You can’t debunk the validity of a Supreme Court decision by saying that it disagrees with previous decisions, you have to show that later decisions disagree with it, and they don’t.
mickie4
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:35amYou are correct. His father was NOT an American citizen so no way is BHO an Natural Born Citizen.
Report Post »Very plain and simple to understand.
swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 9:01am@Islefordian
“…But that is a moot point here as current legislation agrees with this point vis a vis citizenship by mere birth on U.S. soil regardless or parentage.”
Well now we’re getting somewhere. What’s the US code for the US NBC definition?
Report Post »State the title, stature and paragraph please.
Islesfordian
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 11:14am“Well now we’re getting somewhere. What’s the US code for the US NBC definition?”
Title 8, section 1401. If you look at subsection (g) you will see that the citizenship and legal reidency of his mother alone establishes that he was a “citizen of the United States at birth”, aka natural born citizen.
And before you argue that “national and citizen” is not the same as citizen, it is, because all citizens are also nationals just as all kings are royal persons. But not all nationals are citizens just as not all royal persons are kings. Citizens are a subset of nationals.
Report Post »godfather
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 1:21pm@SWIGS
Like CHET said above, all your link states shows is that the writer thinks Wong Kim was wrongly decided, not that it didn’t hold what it did. There is a huge difference. Until the decision is overturned, it is the law regardless of whether you agree with it. Even though you may disagree about the holding, recent federal courts cases have cited Wong Kim for that exact proposition, that a natural born citizen is one who was born here, regardless of the parents’ citizenship.
You are also making circular arguments. That is, you say that a natural born citizen must have two citizen parents because all previous presidents had two citizen parents. Besides the fact that your argument is a logical fallacy, it is also incorrect factually. Chester Arthur’s father was an Irish citizen when he was born. If he really was ineligible to become president, don’t you think they would have resolved that back then also?
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 2:05pm@Chet
“All that the drivel you linked to does is give an argument in favor of the contention that US v Wong Kim Ark was decided wrongly.”
And we should believe the drivel from the left because?????
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 2:28pm@Godfather
“You are also making circular arguments. That is, you say that a natural born citizen must have two citizen parents because all previous presidents had two citizen parents. Besides the fact that your argument is a logical fallacy, it is also incorrect factually. Chester Arthur’s father was an Irish citizen when he was born. If he really was ineligible to become president, don’t you think they would have resolved that back then also?”
They most certainly did. Look up Chester Aurthur.
FYI ” natural born citizen must have two citizen parents because all previous presidents had two citizen parents is a statement of fact not a circular argument and the evidence is conclusive. All POTUS with the exception of the founders who grandfathered themselves eligibile had in common the fact that they were all natural born Citizens as eligibility requirement of COTUS.
Here’s another fun fact the US title 8 a creation of the 14th Amendment niether it or the 14th in any way shape or form change alter or mofify the COTUS A2S1C5 eligibility requirement for POTUS.
I know it’s a tough concept for liberal extremists to get their heads wrapped around it. Maybe you ought to try Yoga.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 3:42pm@Swigs
” natural born citizen must have two citizen parents because all previous presidents had two citizen parents is a statement of fact not a circular argument and the evidence is conclusive.”
No, it is a logical fallacy. It is no evidence at all. All previous Presidents were men, white, between 5’4”and 6’4”, Christians, and born in U.S. states rather than territorial possessions. None of these are requirements, they’re just coincidences. The same is true of our never having elected the son of a foreign citizen before.
“Here’s another fun fact the US title 8 a creation of the 14th Amendment niether it or the 14th in any way shape or form change alter or mofify the COTUS A2S1C5 eligibility requirement for POTUS.”
This is the one thing that you are right about, and nobody ever said that they did. What we say and what is clear to anybody who can read is that the Supreme Court in US v Wong Kim Ark affirmed that the term natural born citizen meant anyone born on United States soil regardless of the citizenship of their parents, and that this was what it had always meant according to the laws of this country at the time of the writing of the Constitution and ever since then.
“It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.”
US v Wong Kim Ark 1898
Look up Chester Aurthur.
I did. He didn’t get his party’s nomination for reelection, but he was never legally barred or disqualified from running. If he had faced a formal legal challenge he likely would have won,since most of the Justices who later decided US v Wong Kim Ark were already on the Supreme Court.
And we should believe the drivel from the left because?
Because no responsible Conservative spokesman is saying what you are saying – no politicians, not even Trump, no pundits, not even Hannity. Most of the President’s Republican political opponents are lawyers, and the rest all have lawyers. If he could really be disqualified due to a fact that has never been in dispute, don’t you think somebody besides internet loonies would have said something by now.
Report Post »godfather
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 4:24pm@SWIGS
I don’t know why you think this is a liberal/conservative issue because it is not. If you asked Scalia about this issue, he would tell you that you are dead wrong, and probably laugh at you. And, no one in their right mind would say that Scalia is in any way liberal. Even Ken Starr has stated that becoming a natural born citizen upon birth is a fundamental principle of law. Again, no one could possibly argue that he is liberal.
This is really about the difference between people who have common sense and those that will believe anything, no matter what the source, to support their idea that Obama is not eligible to be president.
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 5:31pm@Chet
“No, it is a logical fallacy. It is no evidence at all. All previous Presidents were men, white, between 5’4”and 6’4”, Christians, and born in U.S. states rather than territorial possessions. None of these are requirements, they’re just coincidences. The same is true of our never having elected the son of a foreign citizen before.”
I reckon in the land of incorns and marshmellow cloulds it isn’t fact. Over thirty POTUS are natural born Citizens the other grandfathered in…. and how many are dual citizens? Get a better clue than arguing for a 14th amendment case law/opinion to contradict Supreme Law.
You wrote;=”I did. He didn’t get his party’s nomination for reelection, but he was never legally barred or disqualified from running. If he had faced a formal legal challenge he likely would have won,since most of the Justices who later decided US v Wong Kim Ark were already on the Supreme Court”
What a leap of faith to suit your fallacies and assumptions. He didn‘t run cause he knew he wasn’t eligible. What a tool you are LOL. By the way US vs Wong didn’t define NBC. That too is a falacy which proves with two points on a line what a tool you really are..
You wrote=”Because no responsible Conservative spokesman is saying what you are saying – no politicians, not even Trump, no pundits, not even Hannity. Most of the President’s Republican political opponents are lawyers, and the rest all have lawyers. If he could really be disqualified due to a fact that has never been in dispute, don’t you think somebody besides internet loonies would have said something by now.”
Not yet bumperhole. right now the focus is on the BC which the Odumba administration wants everyone to focus on. It’s a red herring. So in the mean time I’ll continue to spread the word about what the COTUS requires and who is eligible and who is not eligible. Unlike the 2008 DNC my motives are not Progressive Marxist Commie Socialist left-wing liberal.
Report Post »My motives are American baby!.
swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 5:37pm@Godfather
“This is really about the difference between people who have common sense and those that will believe anything, no matter what the source, to support their idea that Obama is not eligible to be president.”
You want common sense read the COTUS and read the definition of a dual citizen and see for yourself no way in heck can a dual citizen at birth be eligible for POTUS. Unless of course you believe in immaculate conceptions and unicorns.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 6:50pm@Swigs
“Get a better clue than arguing for a 14th amendment case law/opinion to contradict Supreme Law.”
The 14th Amendment is part of the Constitution, that means it IS Supreme law.
“What a leap of faith to suit your fallacies and assumptions. He didn‘t run cause he knew he wasn’t eligible. “
You’re the one making a leap of faith to suit your fallacies and assumptions. He did seek the nomination.
“By the way US vs Wong didn’t define NBC.”
Actually it did. Even if you can’t read and understand a whole paragraph, as yourself: why would an American court even be talking about the definition of a natural born British subject if it wasn’t because they were trying to define a natural born citizen? If you really think this case didn’t define a natural born citizen, then who did? The definition isn’t in the Constitution. You’ve been asked over and over to show any reliable source for your definition of a natural born citizen, and you can’t. You can’t point to any law, or court decision, or any writings of the founding fathers, or any book by a real historian with a reference to an original source. You can’t show that you have anyone on your side except internet kooks. You just insist that everybody has always known that your definition is the right one – apparently by mental telepathy, since it was never written anywhere.
“Not yet bumperhole. right now the focus is on the BC which the Odumba administration wants everyone to focus on.”
Report Post »Again, why if they could disqualify him even if he was born here? I don’t see how you can have this blind unswerving faith that you are so much smarter and know so much more about the law than actual lawyers.
godfather
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 7:29pm@SWIGS
It’s funny looking at how inconsistent your arguments are, which is not surprising since you clearly have no understanding of the U.S. legal system. You keep saying that acts of congress cannot change the meaning of the Constitution.
If you are talking about a statute, that is correct, a statute cannot change the meaning of the Constitution. However, this directly contradicts your other argument, that because of USC title 8, a dual citizen is not a natural born citizen. A statute cannot change the meaning of the constitution, thus, it does not matter what Title 8 says as it has no bearing on the meaning of a natural born citizen. Furthermore, Title 8 does not define a dual citizen. You keep saying that it does without providing an actual statute citation, just a general reference to title 8, which means that you likely haven’t actually looked to see what is there. My guess is that you just read blogs and assume they are correct because they are consistent with your views. But, if I am wrong, just post the actual citation and you will be able to easily prove me wrong.
Finally, if Congress and the states pass an constitutional amendment, that does change the constitution. It appears that you are not aware of that.
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 7:45pm@Chet
“The 14th Amendment is part of the Constitution, that means it IS Supreme law”
True I never said it wasn’t. And what part of the Constitution did the 14th amend genius?
You wrote=”You’re the one making a leap of faith to suit your fallacies and assumptions. He did seek the nomination.”
Regardless, he wasn‘t eligible when it was discovered he wasn’t a NBC. Now they had to know what NBC was to keep him from running. How many Presidents held office born of foriegn parents since then? Odumba made his records secret for a reason. What he can’t keep secret is in his own words his father is a Kenyan and that makes him a Kenyan at birth.
“By the way US vs Wong didn’t define NBC.”
You wrote=”Actually it did. Even if you can’t read and understand a whole paragraph, as yourself: why would an American court even be talking about the definition of a natural born British subject if it wasn’t because they were trying to define a natural born citizen? If you really think this case didn’t define a natural born citizen, then who did? The definition isn’t in the Constitution. You’ve been asked over and over to show any reliable source for your definition of a natural born citizen, and you can’t. You can’t point to any law, or court decision, or any writings of the founding fathers, or any book by a real historian with a reference to an original source. You can’t show that you have anyone on your side except internet kooks. You just insist that everybody has always known that your definition is the right one – apparently by mental telepathy, since it was never written anywhere.”"
COTUS doesn’t define what IS is and yet no have no problem with that. US vs Wong settled the citizenship question for Chinese immigrants born here under US jurisdiction. By your stupid analogy had that same Chinese been born a British subject he could have risen to be king or queen of England. I don’t think so.
“Not yet bumperhole. right now the focus is on the BC which the Odumba administration wants everyone to focus on.”
You wrote=”Again, why if they could disqualify him even if he was born here?
There you go again. He kept his records a secret first day in office…….remember?
The DNC confirmed his nomination without properly vetting him in the first place. He is a dual citizen at birth and I‘m not saying he’s not a citizen no one can know for sure until he releases all his records. What i am saying is as a dual citizen at birth there’s no way he can be a COTUS NBC eligible for POTUS
FYI… dual citizen does not equal “natural born Citizen”, The later has sole distinction of being born of US parents (plural).
Also British subject does not equal US citizen. Remember that pesky little war known as the American Revolution. It was still fresh in everybodies mind back then when the COTUS was being drafted.
Just in case you‘re wondering no I’m not a lawyer and maybe that works to my advantage.
Report Post »The COTUS was written specifically for the common man to grasp it’s timeless meaning for all time.
It was never meant to be treated as something unapproachable except by those in black ropes to decipher it’s meaning.
swigs
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:05pm@Godfather
“It’s funny looking at how inconsistent your arguments are, which is not surprising since you clearly have no understanding of the U.S. legal system. You keep saying that acts of congress cannot change the meaning of the Constitution.”
BS I never said that. What i have said is SC has the authority to interpret acts of Congress and in the US vs Wong the court did just that. What I also said was the SC was never authorized to interpret the COTUS for it makes no sense that it should be given the authority to interpret the authority which grants it authority. There be no point in having a Constitution if a handful of people in black ropes can say it is whatever they want to.
You wrote=”If you are talking about a statute, that is correct, a statute cannot change the meaning of the Constitution. However, this directly contradicts your other argument, that because of USC title 8, a dual citizen is not a natural born citizen. A statute cannot change the meaning of the constitution, thus, it does not matter what Title 8 says as it has no bearing on the meaning of a natural born citizen. Furthermore, Title 8 does not define a dual citizen. You keep saying that it does without providing an actual statute citation, just a general reference to title 8, which means that you likely haven’t actually looked to see what is there. My guess is that you just read blogs and assume they are correct because they are consistent with your views. But, if I am wrong, just post the actual citation and you will be able to easily prove me wrong.”
Well you are wrong. You say that US title 8 defines citizen to be natural born citizen and to me that’s stupid non-sense since Title doesn’t state that. Title 8 did have the dual citizen definition at one time. It appears the Progressive commies have been busy covering for thier messiah. Here a link to an US Immigration website but hurry before they erase it.
https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/dual-citizenship.html
You wrote=”Finally, if Congress and the states pass an constitutional amendment, that does change the constitution. It appears that you are not aware of that.”
Never said anything to the contrary. Now show me where the 14th amended the eligibilty clause?
Report Post »godfather
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 10:29pm@SWIGS
Well again, you are wrong. The Supreme Court does have the authority to interpret the Constitution and they do so every day. What do you think DC v Heller was? It was interpreting the Second Amendment. Ever since Marbury v. Madison in 1803, the Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution. What do you think the Supreme Court is doing when it rules something unconstitutional? How could you seriously think that the Supreme Court does not interpret the Constitution? Any second grader could tell you that.
I don‘t think you needed to tell anyone that you aren’t an attorney, I think that is pretty clear from your absolute misunderstanding of our legal system.
I never said that Title 8 defines what a natural born citizen is. You are just putting words in my mouth. However, you kept referring to a statute that no longer exists and only discovered that once I asked to actually cite it. You kept arguing that the non-existent statute somehow limited what a natural born citizen is. You kept saying that because a dual citizen is not a natural born citizen, under Title 8, Obama is ineligible. Therefore, you actually were arguing that a statute trumps the Constitution. Regardless of what the non-existent statute said, it cannot change the meaning of the constitution.
I never said anything about the Fourteenth Amendment changing anything about whether someone is eligible for president.
Finally, your thoughts on English common law are utterly retarded. Our legal system was born out of the British system. This also has nothing to do with who is eligible to king or queen. The only issue is whether someone is a natural born citizen. If the framers so chose, they could have made different requirements for becoming president. All this concerns is what a natural born citizen is.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 11:29pm“ US vs Wong settled the citizenship question for Chinese immigrants born here under US jurisdiction.“
If they are citizens because they are born here, not because they have been naturalized, then they are natural born citizens, That’s what the phrase means and you still cannot produce any reliable source to back up your claim that it means anything different.
“By your stupid analogy had that same Chinese been born a British subject he could have risen to be king or queen of England. I don’t think so.”
No, genius, but he could run for Prime Minister.
“He kept his records a secret first day in office…….remember?”
This is not true. He signed an executive order pertaining to the records of his presidency, NOT his whole life, that gave him less power to keep them secret than George W. Bush gave himself in his executive order on the same subject. He was restoring things to the way they were done before Bush – all records not containing classified material would be made public a few years after he leaves office. Bush changed the policy so he could keep stuff secret for as lomg as he liked.
“ dual citizen does not equal “natural born Citizen”, The later has sole distinction of being born of US parents (plural).”
You keep saying that but you can’t produce any reliable source to back it up.
“Also British subject does not equal US citizen. Remember that pesky little war known as the American Revolution.”
I asked you, why would an American court even be talking about the definition of a natural born British subject if it wasn’t because they were trying to define a natural born citizen? I seem to have missed your brilliant answer.
“The COTUS was written specifically for the common man to grasp it’s timeless meaning for all time. It was never meant to be treated as something unapproachable except by those in black ropes to decipher it’s meaning.”
What if the common man disagrees about its meaning as we obviously do? Who should settle these arguments if not the Supreme Court? You? Obviously you think so, but I can’t find the part of the Constitution that says “in case of dispute Swigs gets to tell everybody what this document means.”
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:07am“Well you are wrong. You say that US title 8 defines citizen to be natural born citizen and to me that’s stupid non-sense since Title doesn’t state that.”
If you mean that Title 8 does not define a natural born citizen, yes it does. It’s in Section 1401 Nationals and citizens of United States at Birth. It doesn’t use the exact phrase “natural born citizens,” but all of us sane people understand “Nationals and citizens of United States at Birth” to mean exactly the same thing, and only nutcases claim to find some mysterious extra meaning to the words natural born despite the fact that there is no actual law or code or decision or to back them up.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 2:44am“COTUS doesn’t define what IS is and yet no have no problem with that.”
If I didn’t know what is meant, I’d look it up in a dictionary. I did that with “natural born” and they told me that it meant native or by virtue of birth, so that’s going to make it even harder to convince me people can be native citizens by virtue of birth and still not be natural born. Unless of course, you can show me an actual rule that says so, and we all know you can’t.
Report Post »swigs
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 9:47am@Chet
“If they are citizens because they are born here, not because they have been naturalized, then they are natural born citizens, That’s what the phrase means and you still cannot produce any reliable source to back up your claim that it means anything different.”
“By your stupid analogy had that same Chinese been born a British subject he could have risen to be king or queen of England. I don’t think so.”
No, genius, but he could run for Prime Minister.
PM under an unwritten Constitution…even you could be PM. Try being king of jolly Ol’England. Here in the US we have a written Constitution and the rule for eligiblity is clear. Furthermore the highest office in the land can only be held with the consent of the sovereign “We the People” and since we the people consist of a majority of Americans born of two citizen parents on US soil it makes no sense that a dual citizen with questionable circumstances at birth should occupy that position.
““He kept his records a secret first day in office…….remember?”
This is not true. He signed an executive order pertaining to the records of his presidency, NOT his whole life, that gave him less power to keep them secret than George W. Bush gave himself in his executive order on the same subject. He was restoring things to the way they were done before Bush – all records not containing classified material would be made public a few years after he leaves office. Bush changed the policy so he could keep stuff secret for as lomg as he liked.”
Had you read that executive order you would think twice about that leftist talking point. Nothing gets released with out his approval. He determines what and when and how.
““ dual citizen does not equal “natural born Citizen”, The later has sole distinction of being born of US parents (plural).”
You keep saying that but you can’t produce any reliable source to back it up.”
Unlike many on the left that refuse to think for themselves the definition of dual citizen requires no SC ruling, both terms can’t occupy the same meaning. Even if the NBC term is as nebulous as you claim it to be your messiah is a dual citizen by definition. Father is a Kenyan …..remember?
“Also British subject does not equal US citizen. Remember that pesky little war known as the American Revolution.”
I asked you, why would an American court even be talking about the definition of a natural born British subject if it wasn’t because they were trying to define a natural born citizen? I seem to have missed your brilliant answer.”
The court also talked about US jurisdiction a pesky little item you keep omitting form your talking points. Had it not been for the Chinese work program instituted by Congress those Chinese born of Chinese parents would be born Chinese and not 14th Amendment citizens of the US and most certainly not US NBC.
“The COTUS was written specifically for the common man to grasp it’s timeless meaning for all time. It was never meant to be treated as something unapproachable except by those in black ropes to decipher it’s meaning.”
“What if the common man disagrees about its meaning as we obviously do? Who should settle these arguments if not the Supreme Court? You? Obviously you think so, but I can’t find the part of the Constitution that says “in case of dispute Swigs gets to tell everybody what this document means.””
These matters get settled through our elected representatives in Congress. That‘s the reason SC won’t touch the NBC issue concerning your messiah. They have deemed it a political matter. It would be unConstitutional for the SC to breach the separation of powers.
“If you mean that Title 8 does not define a natural born citizen, yes it does. It’s in Section 1401 Nationals and citizens of United States at Birth. It doesn’t use the exact phrase “natural born citizens,””
That‘s right it doesn’t and until the COTUS gets amended to your liking I’ll continue to maintain my position on the matter.
“If I didn’t know what is meant, I’d look it up in a dictionary. I did that with “natural born” and they told me that it meant native or by virtue of birth, so that’s going to make it even harder to convince me people can be native citizens by virtue of birth and still not be natural born. Unless of course, you can show me an actual rule that says so, and we all know you can’t”
You don’t have an actual rule native born means the same as natural born as used in COTUS for the eligibility requirement. So who are you kidding?
We are well aware the the First 1790 Congress defined it as born to two US citizen parents so stop playing stupid. The only thing that changed since then regarding the treatment of naturalized citizens is the 14th Amend and that did not change alter or modify COTUS A2S1C5 eligibility requirment for POTUS.
And you have not been able to prove that it has. So the term and it’s meaning remains the same.
Report Post »I’m off this thread.
Chet Hempstead
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 1:09pmGolly. just when I was about to succumb to his superior logic.
Report Post »godfather
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 2:40pm@SWIGS
Well again, you are wrong. The Supreme Court does have the authority to interpret the Constitution and they do so every day. What do you think DC v Heller was? It was interpreting the Second Amendment. Ever since Marbury v. Madison in 1803, the Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution. What do you think the Supreme Court is doing when it rules something unconstitutional? How could you seriously think that the Supreme Court does not interpret the Constitution? Any second grader could tell you that.
I don‘t think you needed to tell anyone that you aren’t an attorney, I think that is pretty clear from your absolute misunderstanding of our legal system.
I never said that Title 8 defines what a natural born citizen is. You are just putting words in my mouth. However, you kept referring to a statute that no longer exists and only discovered that once I asked to actually cite it. You kept arguing that the non-existent statute somehow limited what a natural born citizen is. You kept saying that because a dual citizen is not a natural born citizen, under Title 8, Obama is ineligible. Therefore, you actually were arguing that a statute trumps the Constitution. Regardless of what the non-existent statute said, it cannot change the meaning of the constitution.
I never said anything about the Fourteenth Amendment changing anything about whether someone is eligible for president.
Finally, your thoughts on English common law are also dead wrong. Our legal system was derived from the British system. This also has nothing to do with who is eligible to king or queen. The only issue is whether someone is a natural born citizen. If the framers so chose, they could have made different requirements for becoming president. All this concerns is what a natural born citizen is.
It’s funny how you tea partiers claim to have some inside knowledge about the Constitution, and that it is only who really understand what the framers meant. It then comes to light that you actually don’t know anything about the Constitution or the American Legal system. But hey, what else do you expect when your only basis of knowledge is internet blog sites?
Report Post »HippoNips
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:37pmThis is exactly what they are suppose to do.
Report Post »True or not, this hurts Obama
The Republicans hands are clean of it either way.
Many more people will be convinced by the evidence.and the valid question….Whay doesn’t he just release his BC and other records?
Of the undecideds voters, they will not care about the “birther” people a year and a half from now, it will be old news that everyone is bored with.
Trump is dong a great service for Republicans, he should be thanked
swigs
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:38pmIn God we Trust…all others need documentation.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:03pmtrump is a plant . and is dividing republicans , it‘s sad that people can’t see this . look at the trump voting and political funding record and it screams out at you from the left . the left is using him to divide the consevative base.
yes question with boldness. but when are you going to pull your heads out of thwe sand and see? the birther issue is from the left and they are using it to divide the right . STOP AND THINK. what is wrong with you?! don’t let the left win. look the left admitts that they don‘t believe that he’s a citizen. to them it’s great to be a world citizen enslaved under the nwo. so of course they wan’t you to bring it up then turn around and use it against you.can’t you here them laughing at you while they say it ” LOOK AT THOSE RACIST FRINGE TEABAGGERINGBIRTHERS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. ” GET IT! don’t play into thier hands . enough already.Beck has not steered you wrong and now your turning on the one man who stuck his neck out for you! WHO else has stood up against that much of the the seditionist left than he, and at what cost to his own health?! answer that . how many of you natural born citizens saw this comming? when people like myself would try to warn you over the years you scoffed at us and said we’re crazy that …” not in America) now you have Beck who has risked his life for you and still you act like obstinate children.
Report Post »and another message from the left HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
american1st
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:08pmway i see it there are two possibility’s
-one there really is something wrong with his birth certificate
– two there is nothing wrong with it and he is keeping it hidden as a “dirty politics” trick in an attempt to make the people that want to see it look like nuts
either way obama looks bad, he may score some cheap “my opponents are kooks points” at first but ultimately he looks like the snake in the grass Chicago politician he really is..
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:48pmIf he were born in Kenya – the Clintons would have found out during primary season. He is am American and he is our President – so just get use to it! http://wp.me/pYLB7-V0
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:07amHey, BARBARIAN, for so long the right has let the lefty media define the issues. Then the right responds to the issue as defined by the leftist media. Who says this is a Republican issue…Republicans…blah blah blah….Rebublicans this and that….? The liberal media has imposed their self-serving definition of this issue using words like “conspiracy,“ ”Republicans,“ and ”birthers,” and you just tagged right along. Setting foolproof standards of documentation for presidential candidates is NOT a partisan issue. Same rules for all candidates. Think about the standards you want for the future. Don’t let Obama or anyone else set this precedent.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:08pmswigs: Great line!
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 6:00pmHIPPONIPS,
The stigmatizing name “BIRTHER” is supposed to squelch thought.
It is meant to stymie EVERYONE at the Birth Certificate.
I do not give a flying feather where President Barry Dunham was born. I do not.
He is our President. He is “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”.He’s here!
It is not good.
Anyone with a modicum of common sense would understand that President Dunham and his minions have no understanding of this great country that they pretend to represent while simultaneously destroying it.
My question is this. Am I a BIRTHER because I want him to release his records? Harvard, Occidental, travels to Pakistan? yadda, yadda?
John McCain had to prove that he was a United States citizen because he was born in Panama.The Dems DEMANDED the proof.
This President has spent millions to NOT do what McCain was forced to do?
Just another post from WONDERLAND where down is up. Up is down. We’re painting the roses red.
I do not care about his freaking B.C.. I want the other records!
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:32pmThese are not the RHINO’s you are looking for….
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:38pmThese are not the RINO‘s I’m voting for….
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:39pmSorry even queen bat$#!t crazy herself, Bachmann is walking back the birther nonsense. It was a racist joke from the start and now its an intelligence test for the nutty right fringe (you guys at the Blaze did not disappoint).
SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:44pm^______^______^
I agree with them RINOs or not birthers and anyone else who questions his place of birth… you are all being duped!
Everyone is looking in the wrong direction, a direction deliberately controlled by BHO and/ or his handlers to keep all eyes off of finding out what his legal identity is. FactCheck and Snopes in their crusade to debunk birthers support my theory of a legal name change to Barry Soetoro alluding his adoption to Lolo Soetoro. An Indonesian school registry record confirms use of that name! When his mothers marriage to Soetoro failed and BHO returned to Hawaii was his name LEGALLY changed back to Obama? If not he is committing identity fraud every single time he signs his name under BHO!
Its baffling that no one will look into this and all eyes are on where he was born. Tell you all what will happen last min of ‘12 election he will produce the BC and prove birthers Trump etc wrong, this will create a huge gain for him in voters proving the right is crazy, conspirators… and duped once more as eyes are kept off of who he legally is!!
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:53pmencinoman, what no going after innocent special needs children? You are a much worse individual than anything you can say about republicans.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:02pmpajamash
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 6:53pm
encinoman, what no going after innocent special needs children? You are a much worse individual than anything you can say about republicans.
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Nah, I figured when Trig Palin is facepalming Trump and the Birthers, I do not need to say anything more.
No To The Tea Party
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:08pmLOL, Birthers are so stupid, if they only knew this is going to be their downfall.
DTOM_Jericho (leaving PA)
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:13pm@ENCINOM
The problem with you is that you are a racist.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:18pmPeople, haven’t you ever seen play Peter Pan, when Tinkerbell was lying there dead, Peter Pan said if everyone believes in fairies will clap, Tinkerbell will come back to life. Encinom is like that, he has to have everyone believe he’s a fairy and clap (or respond to his posts) so he can come back to life. Just stop clapping and he will wither away.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:20pmPeople who see rejection of birtherism as a sign of a rino are themselves not serious conservatives. they are fringe cranks incapable of serious political thought.
Report Post »nptden
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:21pmNot the ‘birther’ issue that will sink Obama. It will be the SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, which no one is publishing much about.
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GETLIFE
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:25pm“…I believe…blah blah blah ….”,
“…I take the President at his word….”
We’re talking about the office of the President of the United States of America. No one should be just “believing” or “taking someone’s word for it.” This is ridiculous, everybody posturing around the liberal media’s imposed definition of this issue. That is, the MSM id defining it as a partisan issue, or a conspiracy theory, when it is anything but that. How is it that a candidate got through the eligibility system with newspaper birth announcements and no original birth certificate? It’s about what documentation is required to establish eligibility for any candidate of any party. Anybody, Bachmann, Beck, Huckabee, whoever– who thinks that the Obama standard of documentation is acceptable for any candidate for the Presidency should think again. I know of people not born in the US, not born to even one American parent who could obtain the equivalent of Obama’s documentation.
Don’t be naive. The requirements should be strict, definitive, and applied across the board. What’s so hard about that? This is not a partisan issue. This is not a conspiracy theory.
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Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:26pmWhat if Trump is right?
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:30pmAs I stated encinoman, you are a much worse individual than anything you can say or write about anyone else. You are a sad example of the human race.
Report Post »mill
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:34pmI’m tired of the milquetoast people we have running for office. Too afraid to stand up and be counted except to shy away from being hard on Obama
These people see, know how most Americans feel, think,, AND THEY DON’T CARE!!!
MAYBE, they are all in cahoots.. All in Soros pocket, all trying to bring our country down. Maybe we see the smiley faces , not the black hearts.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:35pm@Encinochimp
Report Post »Here’s your intelligence test, coumpute pi to it’s last integer and report back here when you are finished. I’m praying for you.
pajamash
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:37pmTexascommonsense – It changes nothing. We need to focus on his policies and how they are hurting America. Harping on the birth issue is playing into Obama and poeple like encinoman’s hands. It makes us look crazy and racist. We are heading toward our own Viamar Republic. We need to get Obama and anyone that is willing to continue to spend us into oblivion out of office. Focus on the policies!!!!
Report Post »lovenfl3
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:40pmThis is just another example of how Obama has used this birth certificate issue as a political tool. He knew what he was doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIMRNUGXxII
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:43pmmill, after hearing about McCain got to Libya, meet with rebels, and suggest we give them weapons even though we don’t know who they, I could agree with you.
One thing about Trump; he’s certainly not milquetoast. I would love to him debate Obama. Seeing how ticked Obama got at the Texas reporter, Trump would make his head explode.
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:52pmExactly Texas. My health care cost this year, after Obamacare passed, went up (between premium and deductible) 70 percent over last year. Part of this can be attributed to my company upper management taking advantage of Obamacare to pass more cost onto us but a good percentage is the fault of Obamacare. Obama said he would reign in healthcare costs. Mine skyrocketed. That is focusing on policy. His policies are hurting most of America not helping it. Focus on the policies and lets get him and his far left cronies out of the White House!
Report Post »veruca salt
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:53pmGlenn, you tell us to “question with boldness”, yet on this issue, you “accept with meekness”
Report Post »STUBBYK
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 7:56pmThe birther issue was first brought to light by Hillary’s people during the dimocrat primary for prez. Check it out. She must have had some inside information. If that’s the case, I don’t see why the right should feel any guilt for the issue not going away. If I were them (the right), I would concentrate on Obama’s chronic lies and deceit.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 8:00pmIt isn’t just the birth certificate .. it is the adoption and name Barry Soetoro and his Indonesian Citizenship . when (if ever) did he change his name to Barack Hussain Obama? How did he get a Social Security number for a state he never lived in? These and many more questions .. not to mention the possibility that he WAS born in Kenya!
I have to provide more proof to get a DRIVERS LICENSE than Obama did to become President!
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 8:29pm@ encimomma
how are we the majority the fringe. by definition marxist in a free society would be the fringe.
Bachmann was not walking it back.she was trying to stick to the issues that you leftist can’t win on: economy.defence,the Constitution.
thwe the libertarian/conservative/teapartiers. this is exactly why the LEFT yes THE LEFT won’t let the birther issue go. they are using it to divide our voting base .
Report Post »solution
get unified ,stick to the issues that the left fears: economy,defence,the Constitution .
after we win then sift through all data during indictment and trial process to convict the sedicious left . there is where ther birther issue would have greater efficacy.
United We Stand Divded We Fall. Divde them and crush them . if people would just stop and think for a minute ,you would see that the left is trying to divide you.
Tea Party Conservatism
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:06pm.
So is Obama even Eligible?
Birth certificate speculation without a subpoena, becomes a dauntless diversion if unwisely isolated from other equally disqualifying facts. Obama is still ineligible even assuming retention of U.S. citizenship by alleged Hawaiian birth, pursuant to Indonesian citizenship following his mother’s marriage to Lolo Soetoro who then adopted him. His foreign biological father precluded his being a “natural born citizen” required for eligibility by the Constitution, meaning born on American soil of parents who are each a U.S. citizen.[1]
Again assuming he is a U.S. citizen, he is further disqualified for dual citizenship by also being born a British citizen pursuant to the British Nationality Act of 1948, as his father was a British citizen of colonial Kenya.[2]
A Hawaiian “Certificate of Live Birth” or COLB that Obama allegedly posted on his campaign web site, is not a “Birth Certificate.” Long before statehood in 1951, HI casually provided a COLB even to children brought into the state up to a year old, based on unverified birth information given by the requesting resident family member. Unlike a birth certificate, a COLB lacks the physician’s name, signature, hospital details and other essential information necessary to confirm birth parentage, time and location. His mother could have born him abroad, returned to HI and then easily received a COLB but not a birth certificate.
The overly touted birth announcement in the local paper is insignificant; it simply means that the information was also provided to the paper by the family or the State following the issuance of the COLB, for routine casual inclusion.
In addition, his Kenyan paternal step grandmother Sarah Hussein Obama, has said she was present at the hospital when he was born in Mombasa, Kenya. This is supported by audio tape of the telephone conversation and a sworn affidavit by the American missionary who initiated the inquiry.[3]
Kenyan Minister of Lands and Member of Parliament, James Orengo, in March of 2010 while debating the Kenyan constitution stated on the official record, “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?”[4] The record also reveals that no member rebutted his statement.
1. Leo C. Donofrio, Esq., “The House of Representatives Definition of ”natural Born Citizen” = Born of citizen “parents” in the U.S.” Natural Born Citizen, March 2011
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/the-house-of-representatives-definition-of-natural-born-citizen-born-of-citizen-parents-in-the-us/
2. Leo C. Donofrio, Esq., “Why Obama is ineligible – regardless of his birthplace.” WorldNetDaily, April 01, 2010.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=134881
3. Jerome R. Corsi Ph.D., “Did Obama’s grandmother say he was born in Kenya?” WorldNetDaily, October 16, 2008.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=107524 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGWcD5OHm08
4. James Orengo, Kenyan Minister of Lands and Member of Parliament, “Kenyan Official: Obama born here” WorldNetDaily, April 11, 2010.
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techengineer11
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:11pmSo instead of showing us the long form birth certificate, explaining the Connecticut social security number, and releasing all of the other hidden records we all must abdicate to our masters and forego the information that we are all entitled to and which is Constitutionally required? It will be a cold day in hell before any of these stiffs get my vote. I like Ron Paul and maybe even Trump. None of these other Republicans even have a chance for my vote.
Anyway, it’s getting a little scary watching how desperate they are to make this issue go away and how they will stop at nothing short of humiliating anyone who wants to see the records. I mean once again shouldn’t the onus be on the President? I mean I feel as if I’m in the Twighlight Zone or something.
Tea Party Conservatism
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:40pmObama’s foreign father precluded his being a “natural born citizen” required for eligibility by the Constitution, meaning born on American soil of parents who are each a U.S. citizen.[1]
He is further disqualified for dual citizenship by also being born a British citizen pursuant to the British Nationality Act of 1948, as his father was a British citizen of colonial Kenya.[2]
A Hawaiian “Certificate of Live Birth” or COLB that Obama allegedly posted on his campaign web site, is not a “Birth Certificate.” Long before statehood in 1951, HI casually provided a COLB even to children brought into the state up to a year old, based on unverified birth information given by the requesting resident family member.
The overly touted birth announcement in the local paper is insignificant; it simply means that the information was also provided to the paper by the family or the State following the issuance of the COLB, for routine casual inclusion.
Kenyan Minister of Lands and Member of Parliament, James Orengo, in March of 2010 while debating the Kenyan constitution stated on the official record, “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?”[3] The record also reveals that no member rebutted his statement.
1. Leo C. Donofrio, Esq., “The House of Representatives Definition of ”natural Born Citizen” = Born of citizen “parents” in the U.S.” Natural Born Citizen, March 2011
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/the-house-of-representatives-definition-of-natural-born-citizen-born-of-citizen-parents-in-the-us/
2. Leo C. Donofrio, Esq., “Why Obama is ineligible – regardless of his birthplace.” WorldNetDaily, April 01, 2010.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=134881
3. James Orengo, Kenyan Minister of Lands and Member of Parliament, “Kenyan Official: Obama born here” WorldNetDaily, April 11, 2010.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=139481
RightWrite
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 10:15pmThe Donald has the goods — he would not be going after Barack if he didn’t.
Report Post »Jediusetheforce
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 10:19pmWest is still in training will not be ready until 2016 sorry. Leave a reply and I will get back to you as soon as possible. Thanks
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 10:44pmRightWrite
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 10:15pm
The Donald has the goods — he would not be going after Barack if he didn’t.
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I agree … I think he has it figured out .. and I think Obama and his minons are squirming .. and pressuring the RINO’s into submission .. .but the rest of us can’t be BOUGHT OFF!
Report Post »DVADER
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 10:55pmI have a question(s) for all your brilliant minds to ponder and respond to.
Is Mr. Trump utilizing or has utilized the services of the brother of the new mayor of Chicago (RE)?
Report Post »Does Mr. Trump have any business interest in Chicago?
Is Mr. Trump a very committed business man?
Is Chicago the land of brilliant politicians? They did get a community organizer into the Presidential Office, with or without a birth certificate.
Would Mr. Trump pass up an outstanding potential business opportunity?
Can any logical hypothesis be drawn from these questions?
Just asking.
Is
jzs
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:05pmSorry guys, you’re going to hear a lot more of this. Adults are are taking back the asylum from the inmates. The inmates served their purpose in the last election, but now smart people are trying to steer the ship away from the fringe, a fringe that would lead to defeat in the next election (that would be you people reading this).
Jan Brewer vetoed a birther bill and a gun bill. Republicans are trying to marginalize Trump (not Democrats, they love Trump and his campaign). Bachman caved on the birther issue. Romney is being smart by staying out of the news and avoid association with the loony stuff. You’ll be reading a lot more of along those lines.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but some smart people somewhere are telling Republicans to stop trying to appeal to the fringe and start trying to appeal to the moderates and independents. You guys hate it I’m sure. But it worries me as a Democrat to think that someone or some group\ actually understands that the fringe isn’t going to decide the next election.
Report Post »Chris G
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:13pmThe question here is not whether Obama was born in the US or not, & Beck & the “anti-Birthers” should have figured this out by now. All conservatives asking this “question with boldness”:
Is Barack Hussein Obama (or Barry Soetoro?) a “Natural Born Citizen of the US?
We haven’t forgotten what that means, have we? It’s a simple question to answer: are BOTH of his parents American citizens? YES or NO?
If YES, then good. :-)
If NO, then he is inneligible to become POTUS. :-(
Next candidate!
The Founders intended for future POTUS candidates to raised in a family where BOTH of his/her parents’ Allegience was to the US. Very simple!
Is it true or not true that Obama‘s father was a British citizen who came here illegally back in the 50’s? Why is this considered to be a ridiculous question to ask?
Report Post »NUTN2SAY
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:23pmHey Pruden! What many Americans don’t understand is why is this Constitutional Crime of the Century going unreported by the MSM. Why is the MSM instead bending over backwards to cover up this Constitutional Crime of the Century?
Why is the MSM deliberately misleading and miseducating the American people about the actual Constitutional Law of requirements to be a president? Why after the passing of more than two years is the MSM perpetuating this fraud against the Constitution of the United States of America?
Article 2 Section 1 is never ever cited by the MSM! Why? Birth certificates are never ever mentioned in the Constitution but that is all the MSM will talk about. And in a derogatory way of calling people “birthers” for raising their concerns about Obama the official American presidential usurper. Birther this. Birther that. But never ever any in depth discussion of the U.S. Constitution’s NATURAL BORN CITIZEN clause!
Mr. Pruden. Read Article 2 Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution please. Keep reading it over and over until it is clear to you that America‘s Founding Father’s established as the SUPREME LAW of the LAND….two classes of citizenship! And in doing so Mr. Pruden the Founding Fathers says right in Article 2 Section 1 that “citizens” need not apply for the job of the president today. I will say that again to be clear. Citizens need not apply for the job of president! They are not qualified!
The only people who are qualified to be president are NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S! Only NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S “SHALL” be president Mr. Pruden!
Why is it that people such as myself have to explain this to the MSM and not the MSM explain this to the American People?
People say….NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is not defined in the Constitution as if it were supposed to be. People such as myself say….What was common knowledge over two hundred years ago does not need to be defined. It‘s not the fault of America’s Founding Fathers that America has forgotten the meaning of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN has been defined. Many people just simply don’t like the age old definition of it because it contradicts their politics. If people don’t like the meaning of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN then change it! That’s what the Amendment Process is for. But don’t violate the U.S. Constitution in spite because it creates an obstacle to ones agenda!
The very first United States Supreme Court Chief Justice (and a Founding Father) John Jay is believed to be the person responsible (by a letter written to George Washington) for having NATURAL BORN CITIZEN placed into the U.S. Constitution. That is one SCOTUS Chief Justice.
The seventh United States Supreme Court Chief Justice MORRISON R. WAITE in the 1874 case of Minor v. Happersett, in his court opinion provides the original intent of America’s Founding Fathers meaning of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is defined as being born to a mother and father both of whom are U.S. citizen’s at the time of birth. That’s American History! Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen and that is a public fact! Obama was never ever a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and therefore was never ever qualified to be a presidential candidate as required by the U.S. Constitution! Obama is an illegal usurper living in America’s White House violating U.S. Constitutional Law! That is a second SCOTUS Chief Justice!
People are waking up to this and are getting tired of only hearing about a stupid birth certificate that is not in the U.S. Constitution!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:49pmNUTN2SAY, you are sadly misreading the majority opinion in Minor v. Happersett. Chief Justice Waite makes clear that having two citizen parents is not the EXCLUSIVE definition for natural born citizenship, but it is a DEFINITIVE one. He is very clear about making no ruling about other situations that could result in natural born citizenship.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 11:55pmpajamash, looks like I touched a nerve somewhere. My comment about ditching Obamacare if he is an ineligible President is gone. I’m disappointed.
Report Post »imreddog
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:48amWhat kind of idiotic excuse can there be for not requiring ALL CANDIDATES to be CONSTITUTIONALLY QUALLIFIED. How can anyone be so stupid as to being opposed to those who want to fill a public office being REQUIRED to be CONSTITUTIONALLY QUALLIFIED FOR THE OFFICE THAT THEY WANT TO FILL? Commiecrats… AKA, Demoncrats… that’s who.
Report Post »NUTN2SAY
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 1:03am@ Islesfordian
I didn’t say it was a ruling! What I said was that Morrison Waite provides the Founding Fathers Original Intent in his opinion! Waite validates Vattel’s Law of Nations. Waite confirms being born to a mother and father both of whom are both citizens and he discredits other notions! This is not case law this is American History! What Waite said in his opinion has historical value that is not to be ignored.
Report Post »getalong
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 1:54amWhy can’t the president show his birth certificate. Why is it such a big deal for him? That in itself begs the question. Geez, a mere mention that you would like to see his birth certificate pegs a person as crazy. . Come on…..show the certificate and put an end to this rumor. Simple.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 5:46amEligibility aside, since when are American elections not about credibility and character? No matter what the outcome, merely by the way Obama is handling this issue, both are seriously called into question.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 5:58amI just re- read the lines in the Constitution mentioning “natural born citizen” and “citizen.” The words are clear and easy to understand. People can pretend this needs fancy interpretation all they want. Put it into historical context and the intent is also clear.
Report Post »sandrunner
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 7:08amThe reason people question the Obama birth records, his words and actions prove other wise, and putting a ad in the newspaper like a classified. Does not help. I can put an ad for free puppies, does not mean I have puppies. I hate to say it, “we need to see your papers”. ha ha
Also, we are a nosy nation. Look how we nit-pick our hollywood stars and wanna-bees.
It was not long ago some liberal democrats commited fraud over bush military records. You begin to wonder, if obama is committing fraud.
help me to believe other wise.
Report Post »ps
avoid angry name calling…it’s so childish.
Jackers
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 7:28amWhy has Barack Obama hired a team of attorneys at taxpayers’ expense to NOT show his original long-form birth certificate?
This “birther” issue has been brewing for over three years… Why has Barack Obama allowed this issue to grow and fester? The longer Obama refuses to show his long-form birth certificate, the more suspicious the American people become.
Something smells fishy to me…
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:19amIf the Birthers are wrong then you must admit Obama is a liar. He said it himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded
No one ever has a response for this one.
Report Post »Edct
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:58amObama admits not being born in Hawaii…Can one doubt his own admission? Where is Sixty Minutes?
Who would believe Obama is actually on this video admitting he was not born in Hawaii but was born in Kenya and is not even a citizen. Obviously he made these statements because he did not know at that time that a president must be a “natural born” citizen. OOPS!
Circulate this before they yank it from the internet. Will some one tell me why this guy is not being impeached?? If you just watch the first 30 seconds your mouth will drop open. Obama admits he is not a citizen Hmmm…maybe the “birthers’ are on to something….
THE AMAZING PART OF THIS TRAVESTY IS AMERICANS CONTINUE ALLOWING THEMSELVES TO BE RULED BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded
Report Post »AzCowboy
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 9:23amI doesn’t matter. If it comes out that he wasn’t born here. Nothing will be done. Wanna bet?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 10:18am“I didn’t say it was a ruling! What I said was that Morrison Waite provides the Founding Fathers Original Intent in his opinion! Waite validates Vattel’s Law of Nations. ”
NUTN2SAY,
Report Post »You are misreading what Chief Justice wrote. He was specific in saying that he was not excluding other factors that would constitute natural born citizenship. His meaning is clear. The Founder’s intent was that those born in the U.S. were natural born citizens regardless of parentage. This does not mean it was their intent to LIMIT natural born citizenship to only those born in the U.S.
Islesfordian
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 10:22am“Well now we’re getting somewhere. What’s the US code for the US NBC definition?”
Title 8, section 1401. If you look at subsection (g) you will see that the citizenship and legal reidency of his mother alone establishes that he was a “citizen of the United States at birth”, aka natural born citizen.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 11:44amFool me once, shame on you. I got fooled in 2008 but it was the only choice I had. I‘m tired of RINO’s
Report Post »saying what we want to hear then become someone else when they get what they want. Just like an illicit lover who wants a woman, gets his way and dumps her. You can hear what McCain’s daughter keeps saying and know who & what her dad is. Not sure about the birther thingie, but know Obama has something to hide if he doesn’t just show the dam thing once & for all. Sick of all politicians and hope for Allen West, Herman Cain, hmmm, can’t think of any others I consider Real Americans right now. Might even consider Trump as last resort if it comes down to that. We are stupid to keep electing presidents & congress without really investigating who they are for sure. Many vote without knowing anything but a finger in the air. I live in a Republic for which it stands. God help us.
techengineer11
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:07pmAP has a new article on Drudge this morning.. They are laying it on thick.. lol They are so busted and they are doing their best to cover for Obama. I pray to God this whole house of cards comes falling down and the chips fall where they may! It’s over!
Seriously people how in the world can we have the number 1 News Agency on the Planet bending over backwards covering for Barrack Obama and think that we have a sustainable system? It’s disgusting!! It reeks!
Report Post »As many on here have pointed out it’s not even about whether or not he was born in HI.. The issues are many!! And the World media knows it! The Powers that be know it and they have found themselves in a precarious situation. I’ve never been a big fan of Trump but i have to say I thank God for the man coming along at this time that has the balls to stand up to the World and dare go where everyone else is extremely scared to go… Ensuring that our President is Constitutionally eligible to serve? lol
GETLIFE
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:45pmEDCT and MEYVN: Obama was just trying to out himself in a nonchalant way, as if everyone already knew about it and it was already decided it was OK. Constitutional scholar that he supposedly is, he knew what he was doing. Sociopath that he is, he was sure he could get away with it.
Report Post »Lamarr01
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 12:48pm@Tea Part Conservatism
Leo Donofrio is back. He gave up in September after being stonewalled by Hawaii Department of Vital Records. His website is: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/ Leo had the best shot of bringing a birther case to the Supreme Court. In my opinion, Corsi has dispensed enough misinformation and disinformation that he has brought scorn and ridicule to the birthers. Corsi promoted the notion that Obama was born in Kenya. This is a classic case of misdirection. Any records in Kenya would be repressed, destroyed or forged.
The Governor of Hawaii, Abercrombie, has come up with a story that he saw BHO when he was a few days old and was obviously born in Hawaii. Assuming BHO was born on Aug 4, 1961 to Anne Dunham, Anne registered for classes at the University of Washington on Aug 16.
Anne had relatives in Seattle and lived on Mercer Island which is a few miles away from the Canadian Border. BHO’s legal team is centered in Seattle and the records have been scrubbed in that area too. In 1961, there was still a social stigma associated with a white woman having a black baby. Several states still had laws against the mixing of races. The pregnancy undoubted cause some tension in the family and Anne went to live with her mother’s sister on Mercer Island
In my opinion, the best place to look for BHO original birth certificate is in Seattle or Vancouver, British Columbia. It was not uncommon for an out-of-wedlock woman to deliver a baby at a distant hospital to avoid the scandal. It is unlikely that a birth announcement in Vancouver would reach the papers in Seattle or Honolulu.
The birth announcements in Honolulu are PHOTOSHOP fabrications. The microfilm containing the birth announcements was undoubtedly created about June 2008. The original microfilm from 1961 has probably been scrubbed too.
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 1:40pmCome on MEYVN, you can‘t tell that that’s faked vid? gallibalooooooooooooooooooo ;)
Report Post »artsontime
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 2:35pmTalking about “birthers” is waste of time. Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and because of that is NOT the president of the USA. Check out this definition of the qualification for the presidency and the vp from our founding documents: http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_is_not_a_natural_born_citizen_defined.htm
Why isn’t this what we talk about?
Report Post »BocaBaby
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 3:24pmAN OPEN LETTER TO GLENN BECK:
Dear Glenn, I am really upset with your Huckabee. Seriously, your words against him are not valid…..how you can say he is a big-govt. guy when he is clearly for the flat-tax and want to get rid of the IRS, and Glenn I’ll go you one further…..he is not so openly trying to dedfend himself against you……God has got his back. I would only say this to you, because you are constantly trying to get us to not attack one another, and to walk in Love.
Are you trying to defend yourself or attack a man od God like Huckabee?? Seriously??? You have been very open about supporting Christie. Really??? How can you make that connection and say that Christie is not a progressive.
And now I just read that Franklin Graham may be for Trump!!!! So let’s see, Palin likes Trump, Huckabee likes Trump, Franklin Graham likes Trump. I personally believe all three people, that I just mentioned, can pray and hear from God, and ya know what?? We as Christians can pray, instead of “seeing and saying what we like” simply based on outward circumstances, or certainly what and who we should like and not like for POTUS.
Like the Bible says, “In the mouth of two or three, let everything be established” Enough with YOUR picks, we love you at our house, but YOUR SEASON HAS CHANGED…….YOUR INFLUENCE TO BELEIVERS IS APPEARING TO BE SLIGHTLY DIVISIVE, AND MAYBE, GOD HAS NOT ANNOINTED YOU TO PICK OUR CANDIDATE. I say this with love and great respect for you, but God’s hand was on you for a divine purpose, and maybe during this season you are NOT the anointed point man. PLEASE find out, because the people that ‘“YOU LIKE” haven’t a chance getting elected.
and who are you to say that God’s, pick, IF He like’s Trump, would not pick him, for this time and season?????? How do you know God can’t visit him, the same way He visited the apostle Paul, on the road to damascus??????????
God’s ways are higher than our ways, His thoughts higher than our thoughts. Please, take a step back and seek Him befor hurling out YOUR PICKS…….too much is at stake.
There was a time that John the Baptist said, “I must decrease, so He can increase”.
This is a new season, and He is doing something great. I may not know exactly how He is going to do that, but maybe you do not either. Please do not be in error, and be thus accountable for leading many, who either do not pray on their own, or cannot, and depend on you to do that for them.
I do know that the Bible tells us that God HATES, a brother who sows disscord among the BRETHERN. Huckabee does fall into that category if you are a Christian. If you are not, well then I suppose you are off the hook.
We MUST have the right choice this time….not simply Glenn Beck’s choice. We already have the enemy, we do not need one of the good people, working against God’s plan, JUST BECAUSE HE MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
We love you God Bless you this Easter Weekend.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 4:01pmMEYVN and EDCT: HA HA HA§ the laugh’s on me. Great video though! In the remarks underneath it states that the beginning is indeed “contrived.”
Report Post »stmike
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 5:47pmThe number one reason to drop all the birth certificate stuff is this: about two weeks before the general election Obama will come out with his birth certificate and destroy everyone who even came close to taking the position that he wasn’t born here. So if you all want to ensure the boyking gets another term just keep it up!
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 6:04pmMeyvn: I had never seen that.. Absolutely amazing!
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 6:14pmI wanted to add that it is the MEDIA…,to include dumb FOX, that touts this as a “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” issue. Hence the slur“BIRTHERS”.
Report Post »They are all wrong.
I do not care where Barry Dunham was born. It’s open to interpretation. I am certain that Presdent Dunham believes he was born in a manger. Who cares?
The question is WHY he has spent millions to stop the release of ANY of his records.
The stupid media cannot see beyond their noses,hear me FOX?, but this is an issue.
Am I actually supposed to believe that when Barry was living in Indonesia his Mother woke him early to teach him of the greatness of the U.S.A.? UGH!
His mother hated the U.S.A..
techengineer11
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 7:35pmLucy Larue: Very true. I feel ya… It’s sickening. And like you point out FOX is behind this too. To many people on this site are so quick to give FOX a free pass simply on the basis that they are not CNN.
Report Post »dizzyinthedark
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:12pmIt’s right there in the 1st paragraph–we believe he was born in the United States, we just don‘t believe he’s now an American citizen because he became a citizen of Indonesia in order to attend school there as a boy! SHEESH! Wake up morons! No wonder we’re going down the crapper!
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:54amwhen will the people see the half black half white african commie for who and what he is?
Report Post »RightWrite
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 11:05amOnly The Donald has the brass-balls to not back down from the fight for the truth — let the chips fall where they may.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 12:19pmIt makes no difference if President Obama was born in Kenya or in Independence Hall on the 4th of July. For over 2 years he has ignored and trashed the Constitution. Yet, there is no movement to impeach the tyrant. If the Eunuchs in Congress refuse to protect the Constitution, details of President Obama’s birth will not provide relief!
If absolute proof suddenly surfaced that President Obama was not born in the United States what do you think would result from that revelation? Would President be removed from office immediately? Hardly, the media would scream that the American people will not allow an 18th Century document, concocted by slave owners, to dictate the qualifications for President in the 21st Century. The wannabe tyrants, supported by the media, would demand a Constitutional Convention to be convened to correct obvious and antiquated constraints to a benevolent government. Certainly, president Obama would continue in power until the Constitutional Convention settled the question.
Recently, in addition to totally disregarding the constitution, the wannabe tyrants have begun to openly criticize it. They simply see the question of President Obama’s birth as another way to attack the Constitution.
The end result of a Constitutional Convention would be the final destruction of the Constitution that has resulted in greatest freedom and prosperity the world has ever known. What individual liberty that still exists would perish with the adoption of the convention’s Constitution.
Focusing attention on such on irrelevant subjects such as Mr. Obama’s birth thwarts the evaluation of President Obama’s agenda and the results of that agenda. The Tyrant is destroying our nation and strengthening our enemies.
If the Republic is to survive Mr. Obama’s trend toward tyranny his agenda must be rejected by the American people. If the American people reject president Obama’s agenda the origin of his birth becomes mute. The personality of the tyrant is irrelevant and simply a distraction.
Spending time and effort evaluating Mr. Obama’s birth does nothing to restore our freedom and plays into the hands of the wannabe tyrants
The solution? THROW THE RASCALS OUT.
Report Post »stormcrow53
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 6:47pmThe whole point of the exercise is to practice. Bloddless battles and bloody practices. Encinom and the other trolls are losing the tingle down their legs.
Report Post »They profess that Ted Kennedy didn’t kill Ms. Kopechne. They assert that Barney Frank didn‘t know his boyfriend was running a male prostitution ring out of Barney’s residence. They implausibly, improbably and insanely insist that the first black president isn’t a serial rapist. They believe the Foreign Dictator has closed Guantanomo, ended the Iraq war, retreated from Afghanistan and has not started a war for oil in Libya. They don’t believe that Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Tim Geithner, Tom Daschle, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and just about every other Progressive is a tax evading criminal of one sort or another. We must pity the fools while while we prepare for their ultimate destruction. They are such naive, mentally challenged, microencephalic proglodytes that endeavoring to engage them in intellectual debate is akin to shooting fish in a barrel. Except that the fish stand a better chance at surviving. No quarter, brothers and sisters, for they will give you none. We must reclaim the language, the media and the debate. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! I regret the lack of brevity.
techengineer11
Posted on April 24, 2011 at 8:19pmwalkwithme1966: Unfortunately not a very thoughtful statement. There’s much more to the birth certificate issue than the whereabouts of his birth. Seriously you have to give it some thought. Did he renounce his US citizenship if he were born in the US while he stayed in Indonesia? Surely you’ve explored all of the various issues.. I’m not bringing up again but per chance if you are not familiar with them then a guy w/ the handle.. here check this out.
Meyvn
Posted on April 23, 2011 at 8:19am
If the Birthers are wrong then you must admit Obama is a liar. He said it himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded
No one ever has a response for this one.
Finally, why do you assume Clinton had to out Obama? That’s a pretty big assumption. I believe those behind the DNC and the Shadow Gov’t preferred Obama over Hillary and John.. That’s why neither were allowed to play hardball with him… jmho.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on April 25, 2011 at 1:41pmPeople need to chill with this issue.
If it’s not your fight, fine…. don’t fight it. If it is someone elses fight….. let them fight it and stop trying to squelch their search for the truth.
Why does anyone have to pick sides?
How about this for answer: “You know, this isn’t something I believe is worth going after. But if Trump feels there is more to it, then by all means, he should follow his convictions.”
End of story.
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