GOP Rep Explains Floor Rant: ‘This Is Why the People Have Thrown You Out’
- Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:19pm by
Scott Baker
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Maybe Rep. Steve Buyer (R-IN) feels even freer to speak his mind since he decided not to seek a tenth term in the House of Representatives. Here’s the LA Times:
Monday, the presiding speaker was California’s Democratic Rep. Laura Richardson.
When Indiana Republican Rep. Steve Buyer sought recognition to speak for….
…five minutes about some pending veterans legislation, she said no. He revised his request to one minute.Looking confused and taking verbal directions from someone off-camera, Richardson again denied the request.
Buyer persisted, growing outraged that one sitting representative was highhandedly refusing to recognize another, even for one minute. “This is why,” Buyer declared, “the American people have thrown you out of power.”
I have a couple versions of the video — including a bonus part you won’t want to miss. Here’s the condensed version:
Here‘s the medium length version that ’s getting most of the viral play right now:
Finally we have the “official” 4:30 version on the C-SPAN YouTube channel. Here’s why you should watch:
After Buyer is finally permitted to speak on this video, there is a short gap before Richardson is told to call a recess. Keep watching the bottom of the screen then for an entertaining gesture of exasperation by Buyer, who leaves his seat to walk by where he knows the main House camera is pointing.
So pay attention to the quiet mini-demonstration that begins around 3:23. And then don’t miss the last few seconds!
Rep. Buyer is now doing some post-rant analysis:
The GOP lawmaker who loudly voiced his displeasure over being denied an opportunity to speak said Tuesday the House has become “dark, mismanaged“ and ”undemocratic.”
Rep. Steve Buyer (R-Ind.), the outgoing GOP lawmaker and ranking member of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, said he could have been more “civil” when he unleashed a tirade on the acting House Speaker after she denied him an opportunity to speak on the floor.
“Listening to myself — I was pretty upset yesterday,” he said on the conservative Sean Hannity radio show.
Hannity advised Buyer not to apologize. Here’s how Buyer is playing it:
“We all try to control ourselves. I am pugnacious,” he said. “But I also believe we have to be very civil. I was dumbfounded that I would not have been recognized to speak.”
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Comments (208)
LibertyMark
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:37pmLaura Richardson, complete Corruptocrat from CA-37. Ignorant, stupid, corrupt, incompetent. The good citizens re-elected her over challenger Star Parker. Jesus wept.
Report Post »Tagudinian
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 10:05amThat is what is wrong with California – this woman Laura Richardson looks dumb. Are you sure this is not a dead woman trying to stand up there banging that gavel? After all California voted for a dead candidate? Laura Richardson looks like an illegal alien.
Report Post »payingattention
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 2:03pmShe was recieving instructions via an earbud from Axlerod telling her to stall while he gets the president on the phone!
Report Post »workin4alivin
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:35pmnow that is one do nothing gal…. what would you expect from her. yep, that is exactly why they got thrown out.
Report Post »Progressive-ANTIdote
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:34pmIt‘s just stunning what sort of behavior can be called ’civility’. I think the worst kind of violence is this hypocrisy that promotes a passive aggressiveness that is clear to see. If you watch… the whole time the person who is the ‘stand in’ or wannabe speaker is just totally a clueless idiot. She is just looking for cues from her people roaming around the floor of the chamber near the speaker… she has no clue what is going on. It’s despicable. This is like watching a bad movie. It’s naked abuse of power. SICK.
Report Post »Sarcon
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 11:53pmI agree. She is getting advice from god knows who on the floor. The insane in charge of the insanasylm. If I spelled that right lol.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:30pmWhy should VA hospitals provide abortions as a result of voluntary sexual conduct?
Report Post »AmericanLass
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 8:35pmGood question. What does one have to do with the other. Shoving it in was just a way of getting it passed I guess.
Report Post »Calvin Coolidge
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:24pmIt’s population control.
Report Post »Think about it. How much will the government spend on killing one child vs. trying to provide for it.
(I believe that) they believe that this is a service to the kind of godless population that they would like to nurture and cultivate. As soon as a nation looses faith in God, they fall to to their government…see Rome, Russia..etc. The uber left have been moving very slowly for decades in this direction. I think the current generation in power let the drugs burn their brains while they were busy spitting on the country that allowed them the freedom to spit.
Average_JoeMN
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:28pmWhen did he loser his temper? I saw a duly-elected Representative of the People being denied a basic right of all such elected officials to speak on the floor of the People’s House. Frustrated at the arrogant abuse of power, sure, but lose of temper – didn’t happen.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 7:24pmI didn’t see anything that resembled a rant either. Had I been dealing with that stupid, ignorant, automaton she would have been wearing her clown gavel as an ass accessory.
Report Post »halfabrain
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 9:14amAgreed.
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:26pmAs I set here looking out over the Salmon river watching the Bald eagle soaring over the river otters knowing he’s going to get a chunk of that fish they are eating. I’ve come to understand that none of this matters. I think I’ll cook dinner (Steaks ) over the open fire on the beach tonight and add to my carbon foot print for the day. After my wife and I catch some Steel Head of course.
Report Post »Liberty220
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 8:44pmWell most of us can’t retire, fish and watch eagles. Most of us have to work to put our kids through college and pay off the national debt. I hope you enjoy yourself, but you might want to think about going back to work for the sake of your grandkids.
Report Post »The Libertarian Atheist
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:23pmThis is EXACTLY why the lying filthy underhanded marxist demotards have been THROWN out of office. THESE are their TRUE colors. they care nothing for the rule of law, or of the will of the people. they are there to ram their own pork filled spending bills through and extort or downright steal money from the American people.
Throwing them out of office is not good enough. they should all be tried for treason, their entire fortunes should be forfeited back to the treasury, and then they should spend the rest of their lives working on a chain gang.
The people used to behead the leaders who cheated them ages ago. perhaps we should bring back the guillotine.
Report Post »abc
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:56pmSettle down. Take a valium. Then read what really happened: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021701848.html
As you can clearly see, the Republicans caused this “problem”.
tierrah
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 7:42pmABC: I notice you give a lot of credence for your argument on this subject to the Washington Post. If that is the only source for your opinion, then I‘m afraid I can’t really give much credence to you! I don’t trust any media for the truth … it‘s all spun to program you with each egotistical reporter’s or editor’s interpretation of what the situation is and what is the ONLY solution to the problem. They are all know-it-alls! Give me a break! There is so much lying, purposefully and by omission, going on from all fronts that it’s totally disgusting.
Report Post »cotuit
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 8:17pm@abc; If your source of record is the w.p., chances are you were mis-informed.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:29pmabc,
The article that you link to has been exposed. Go back up this page and read!
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »Mikee T
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 10:40pmABC….don‘t have to read any reporter’s version from the Washington Left Post…..okay moron ? Are you proud of that “female drone” that is considered a acting speaker….that demoscum from Cali ? Are you proud of the fact that she had to take ques from the other leftist scumbags that were trying to diss the good republican gentlemen ? With nobody there to object ? Give me a break scumbag….Go cry in the corner or go back to your Rachel Maddow Mosque you built in your home cause this is ONLY THE BEGINNING….wait til Ron Paul gets a hold of Bernanke bud…….
Report Post »abc
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 5:07pmTierrah, that you do not trust information from the media means that you have no information, so you make up your mind based upon nothing. That is very revealing. No sense talking to a know-nothing.
As for the rest of you who dismiss everything written in the WaPo, you should note that Broder is a Republican, and his article was fact-checked. If the facts are true, then they would remain true if it was Charles Manson reporting them. If a child rapist said the earth was round, it wouldn’t magically make it flat. Either you focus on the accuracy of the facts and rebut them or you concede that these facts are right even if they came from Penthouse magazine.
Report Post »MIlitary Nurse
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:22pmDidn’t you all realize that those of us in the PRK (People’s Republic of Kommiefornia) are WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY better than the rest of you.
She’s a TOOL!
Report Post »Conserving Ink
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:19pmThe Left is not even pretending to play by the rules, we need to stop pretending this is anything less than a war between Right and wrong.
Report Post »________________________________________________________________
http://conserving-ink.blogspot.com/2010/11/wretched-hive-of-scum-and-villainy.html
neverending
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:15pmThis is the moronic actions we pay these people $170,000 plus per year plus tons of benefits. One can only dream this mess can be turned around but I, for one, am not holding my breath.
Report Post »mossbrain
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:15pmWhy is Rep Buyer strutting around like that? Did he poop his pants and he‘s trying to shake some of it out of his pant leg on the other side of the room so he won’t get the blame? Then he raises his hands at the end as if to say, “Darn it, did it again, when will they stop dropping, no more bean burritos for me?”
Report Post »MidAmerican
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:14pmMs Richardson went to the Al Franken school of “wielding the power gavel for short periods of time.”
Report Post »Thank the lord for cameras. Can’t wait to get them into the “deliberative” process as promised by Mr.
Boehner.
Workforit
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:09pmWow… Talk about ramming what ever the elite wants down our throats… Steve you just keep on keeping on! I promise you are not the only angry American… Not by a long shot!
Watch the long one… frustration beyond frustration!
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:07pmthe process gave a strong appearance of making the motion of a meeting and getting it over with. The prompting going on at the right of the speaker told a big story, along with the speakers refusal to recongnize a speaker. It didn’t appear that the leader even wanted to allow an approach on certain topics.
Damn them for what they are doing.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:59pmEric Cantor (a supposed “young gun GOP” from my state, VA) said that Republicans want to keep certain provisions of the Obamacare plan in place including forcing health insurance companies to accept every pre-existing condition applicant and allowing “children” to remain on their parents plans until age 26. I was at the march on 9/12 in DC. I was in DC again the day before Nancy and her funbunch scammed and crammed this atrocity through the House. And I ended up face to face with Barney Frank (shudder… And NO, there were no bigoted remarks said by anyone.) I dont recall even ONE protestor saying “NO OBAMACARE (except for pre existing conditions)!“ or ”WHO’S GONNA TAKE CARE OF MY 26 YEAR OLD BABY?!“ I was fearful whether or not the incoming Republicans were gonna truly ”get it”. My fears are growing. Tea Partiers, now is the time to hit the streets again and PROVE that we are beholden to NO PARTY! But we damn well expect those who aligned themselves with us when it was politically expedient to understand that this snake will bite a Republican foot that dares tread upon freedom as quickly as we struck the Democrats.
Report Post »abc
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:13pmCantor is pulling art out of the Smithsonian. Where is your concern over our free speech rights and first amendment freedoms. Please spare me the “tread on my freedoms” speech if it is not going to be consistently applied.
Kevin
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:44pm@ABC, you are very concerned with the “art” (and I use that term loosely) that is being pulled from the national museum because most people find it offensive. You rail at those who complain about the tax cuts not being renewed.
Tell me, did you stand up with the same fervor for the Florida preacher who wanted to burn the Quran?
Report Post »pattybbb1
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:24pmHeard this clarified on the Sean Hannity radio show today. Nope, he does not support any measures of the Obamacare mess.
Report Post »darilleparker
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:50pmI think that both parties need to sit down and talk about taxes if not their is going to be a really big problem for the everyday American family.
Report Post »Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:50pmWhoever this guy is, hope you read this. KEEP THIS RHETORIC GOING SIR! Please….. It is nothing short of CRUEL what is being allowed to happen. This is not a mistake! POSTUS is playing dumb right now.
Dumb little Black man who claims (his own words) he was elected because his middle name is Hussein.
He is the grinch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzXKWKaxt3c
Report Post »New-American-Saviors
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:48pmJust get something done. You HAVE the issues. Forget the Drama
Report Post »Richlove1
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:38pmLefties are about control. They control the people by confiscating their money and intruding into their lives at the most personal levels, except if you want to kill a fetus. This story is just one more reason why the libs/progs/commies/whatever they’re calling themselves now should never be elected in the first place.
Report Post »abc
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:11pmThe Righties are censoring art in our museums, and you only call out the Left. How fair and balanced of you.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:31pm@abc that crap isnt art now go away it was so nice when you were under your rock
Report Post »Bevaboo
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:36pmDepends on your definition of ‘art’. I don’t feel that the image of any religious icon should be denigrated as the display at the Smithsonian, which is what I think you must be whining about. Had it been Mohamed, Buddah, Krishna, or any other deity, I would object. You don‘t denigrate someone else’s deeply held beliefs for seemingly no reason. That isn’t art, it’s a cheap bid for recognition as an artist.
Report Post »nummy1
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 7:14pmThere is a difference between censoring art and paying for art with tax payers money. They are choosing to not fund such projects. I am fine with that. I’d be even more happy if they decided not to use any public funds for ANY art exhibits.
Report Post »Supreme Galooti
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 8:02pmYo, ABC. I would happily sew your lips together with rawhide bootlaces. How’s THAT grab yer asterix?
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:21pmNobody called for censoring art. We only want our tax money to NOT go to the NEA or Art Exhibits.
If people want to show off their garnage somewhere, let it be on their own dime not mine!
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »MilkMustache
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:33pmThat particular situation has been on my mind for a while. The estate tax should be repealed. To have people decide whether to live or die based on tax liability, like he said, is just cruel. This is another prime example of why I am severely disappointed with our government.
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:31pmMy husband is 73 years young, but has talked about this eventuality. I will prevent it, but then there are those whose health might very well lead to this option. Sad, but true.
Report Post »abc
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:30pmThe Republicans authored the Bush tax cuts that have caused this “problem.” Now, they want to blame the Democrats for not addressing it. Where were these people back in ‘03 when the original language and estate tax rates were passed? Why does the party that authored this silly one-year tax vacation believe that they can blame the other party for their mistake??
Report Post »C0ncerned Citizen
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:41pmABC, had you done any research prior to your posting, you would KNOW that the reason that the current tax system will expire (resulting in the largest tax increase in the history of the USA) is because that is the only way enough Dimmocrats would vote for the Bill. It is called bipartisanship. You will recall that although the Reps had control of the house and senate, they did NOT have a super majority, so they could not pass bills without support from some of the Dimmocrats. The Dimmocrats are the ones who have FORCED this situation. The Republicans wanted permanent reductions. Thanks for your feeble attempt to portray this as the Republicans fault.
Report Post »cotuit
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:45pmIt does no good to look at which party past what. What does matter is were in the realm of common sense does the government get the stones to think they are intitle to take a families hard earned estate as if it were some sort of family member.
Report Post »abc
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:09pmConcernedCitizen, actually, there were a large number of Republicans that would not vote to make those cuts permanent, and the Democrats never threatened to fillibuster the tax cuts. That would be the part of the GOP that still believed that deficits do matter. More importantly, the temporary nature of the cuts was designed by the Republican authors of the bill to avoid budget limitations that were passed during the Clinton years. Need proof? Check out this editorial by Republican David Broder that spells it out clearly for you: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021701848.html
Nice try with the revisionist history. Luckily, some of us still read, have more than a two-week memory, understand that deficits matter and have properly concluded that the GOP doesn’t really care about our fiscal mess–just how to exploit it for political gains.
Report Post »HighLonesome
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:26pmAdditionally, all such executive orders as this have to have a sunset clause unless I am mistaken. It just so happens that the sunset for these has come due and no one knew they would come at a time when the country was so economically stressed…. Feel free to chime in on me here as I may be confused but I think thats part of it.
Report Post »abc
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:37pmNot quite, HighLonesome. This was not an executive order. It was legislation. The sunset clause was not required. It was used to get around limits set during the Clinton years to enforce fiscal responsibility. Read my link to Broder’s piece that clearly highlights how this was all a strategy to get tax cuts even though they would blow up the deficit, and it was deliberately meant as an end-around on other laws designed to prevent such reckless behavior. The GOP hopes you’ve forgotten what they did, and their blaming the Democrats is part of that plan.
Report Post »C0ncerned Citizen
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 7:16pmFollowing are the vote totals for the Bill.
You will notice that only two Repbs in the Senate and 0 in the House voted against. The expiration was put in to garner Dimmocrat votes. Thanks for your link, but if you read it, it is concerned, in 2006 (well after the Bill passed) with the accounting after 2010. The arricle explains an accounting gimmick to say the cuts were permanent. So, to say your link provides proof that it was republicans is FALSE. Go ahead, go back and read it. As for your statement, that you understand deficits (while implying that I do not) I do not know where that response comes from in my post. Also, NO evidence is present that you understand deficits, nor that I do not. This seems to be another Alinsy tactic. When you can not win change the subject of the argument. The reason that the Bush Tax Cuts are set to expire, is because that is what the Dimmocrats demanded in order to vote for them. Try again, this time use facts. Show me where I have revised history. Give me a link to a respectable source. I won’t hold my breath.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll149.xml
Report Post »http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00170
BothPartiesAreCorrupt
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 8:59pmSeriously? That Washington Post article didn’t say ANYTHING like what you claimed it said. Unfortunately for YOU some of read and don’t just assume what you claim is in something is actually there. I think you are blinded by your political alliances or ideological beliefs.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:14pmNEVER, and I do mean “never”, trust anything in the Washington Post.
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »bigbud
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 11:21pmABC , It is so sad that you leftys have no historcial menory. The start of this debacle was brother “ Jimi” when a he signed the Community Revitalazation Act. To make sure that “every one ” could own a home. Inter Freddy mac and fanny may. This was doubled down on by “Slick Willie”. .As far as a “tax cut blowing up the deficit”. Go back to that failed Keansian cave that you crawled from. Every one knows ,almost, that if you increase a tax on an activity, you decrease that activity. Ask California. What happened to consumption of gasoline when the tax was insreased, consumption decreased. Cigarette tax specifically increased to decrease smoking. I don’t think that you can be convinced with logic or history.
Report Post »Remember thease are not the droids your looking for.
abc
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 4:39pmConcerned, your logic is faulty. You show the results of the final vote for a tax cut that includes the 2010 sunset, which does not disprove my claim that multiple Republicans were not in favor of passing legislation on tax cuts without the 2010 sunset clause included. The article, which you did not read or understand, clearly shows that the 2010 sunset was designed to avoid hitting projected deficit ceilings that were included in the legislation, and which had been part of Congressional practice going back to Clinton. As Broder points out in the piece: “Those rate reductions, when enacted, had expiration dates of 2010, designed to keep their long-term costs within the limits set by the budget resolutions of which they were a part.” Republican as well as Democratic legislators had ample reason to desire putting the sunset clause in the legislation to avoid this obvious problem. That you do not even address it, but simply ignore the article because it is written in ‘06 but describes events in the ’01-’03 period means that you do not understand the logic. I hope it is clear now and that you see it raised a barrier recognized by Dems and Republicans–hence my comment. More importantly, the piece goes on to show that the Bush administration, as shown by actions and statements made by its OMB (whose Deputy Director was my law school classmate, so I definitely know what I am talking about), knew what it was doing and did the sunset clause to end-run the budget limits. Finally, you also ignore the ‘03 vote, which accelerated the tax cuts and reaffirmed the sunset even though by that point the cuts were politically popular and at that point justified by a weakened economy, so no Democratic filibuster was politically feasible. You are distorting history, ignoring a fact-checked article written by a Republican that sets the record straight, and mischaracterizing what I said with bogus counterarguments that do not prove anything. Try reading the article again carefully and you will see that an ‘06 article is very relevant to the question of why and how the sunset provision was put into tax legislation passed in ’01 and ‘03. If you cannot even use facts and logic correctly, then I’m not sure what the point of discourse is.
Report Post »abc
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 5:00pmBig Bud writes: “ABC , It is so sad that you leftys have no historcial menory. The start of this debacle was brother “ Jimi” when a he signed the Community Revitalazation Act. To make sure that “every one ” could own a home.”
No serious account of the ‘07-’09 financial crisis blames CRA. That was passed back in the late seventies and addressed the bank practice of red-lining, which was prevalent in inner city neighborhoods. Those areas are not the ones that have the mortgage problem. The problem exists in areas like NV, CA, FL where red-lining was never an issue. There is no data to support this story, but obviously a lot of political will from people who see the world as Republican (good) vs. Democrat (bad).
“…[e]nter Freddy mac and fanny may. This was doubled down on by “Slick Willie”.”
Another scape goat of the right, the GSEs as they are called provided the financial innovation of loan syndication, which the private market also uses (e.g., inventory factoring), which helped to put bad loans into portfolios all over the world, and to create demand for the paper that led to bad origination practices (e.g., lending to people who shouldn’t have received loans). But the blame is way over-stated. First, guys like Countrywide CEO Mozillo did not send out emails telling employees to aggressively write mortgage loans because of Carter’s CRA legislation. He did it so he could make a record $130M bonus in ‘06. Moreover, the syndication function was not limited to the GSEs, as private banks were doing it too. Most importantly, the loans originated by the GSEs, knows as prime loans, had limits on their quality that the private bank loans (called subprime loans) did not, so that explains why today the default rate for private sector originated loans is about 3x the rate of those sourced by Freddie or Fannie (proof? check out Yellin’s testimony from the SF Fed).
“As far as a “tax cut blowing up the deficit”. Go back to that failed Keansian cave that you crawled from. Every one knows ,almost, that if you increase a tax on an activity, you decrease that activity. Ask California. What happened to consumption of gasoline when the tax was insreased, consumption decreased. Cigarette tax specifically increased to decrease smoking. I don’t think that you can be convinced with logic or history. Remember thease are not the droids your looking for.”
So you are maintaining that tax cuts always lead to increased activity, and no intelligent person disputes that. I live in CA, so I know the examples you raise and agree. The problem is that your analysis is wrong. You confuse activity with tax revenues, and only the latter closes the deficit and pays the debt. So the question is, when I lower tax rates (which lowers tax revenues) and raise activity (which raises tax revenues), what is the optimum of these diametrically opposed effects that maximizes government tax receipts. This is the famous Laffer curve. Now, I have met Art and asked him for the mathematical formula that describes the curve. He could not give it to me. He said that it is merely a colorful way to describe the impact of incentives within tax models. So, then I asked him to roughly tell me (without numbers) how we know which side of the curve we are on–that is, if we lower taxes, will the impact of higher activity outweigh the impact of lower rates. Again, he couldn’t answer. Now, the impact on the deficit since the ‘01 and ’03 rates were cut clearly shows that we are on the wrong side of the Laffer curve to justify the supply side effect that you are arguing for, since the deficit widened under Bush even before the deep recession took hold at the end of his second term. So I think it is strange for you to maintain the accuracy of the Laffer Curve when Art Laffer himself couldn’t defend it (in ‘05) and when the data we‘ve collected on the deficit throughout the course of the Bush administration shows that it didn’t play out the way that you claim. Also, David Stockman, the former budget chief under Reagan, noted when interviewed on CNN last weekend by Zakaria that drawing the lesson from the Reagan years that tax cuts bolstered the economy is plain wrong. He went on to cite how growth was faster in the 50‘s and 60’s with higher taxes, as it was under Clinton in the 1990′s. He also correctly notes that no econometric study has shown that overall tax receipts rise with rate reductions and thus no mathematical description of the Laffer Curve is possible. In short, unless you are talking about very high marginal rates–like 60% or higher–there is no empirical proof that you get the effect that you claim. Now, that is what the hard-core numbers show, and that is what smart Republicans are saying, so how can you be claiming otherwise? I think you need to re-educate yourself on what the facts are before repeating stuff that isn’t empirically true or even defended by those that started those misconceptions in the first place.
Report Post »Sarcon
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 12:10amAnyone knows the tax code is a fraud. So filled with lawyer speak to confuse the hard working public. Only the rich and powerful, with a room full of tax lawyers, can twist the built in loopholes in their favor. All this tax talk, will never address the real problem. The IRS progressive criminal tax code.
Report Post »Rn mom
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:29pmNot for nothing, but WHO would sit around a death bed and decide to pull the plug so the family member would die before 01/01/11? That’s just insane! It’s just like a pol to think about killing a family member for profit.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:36pmPersonally I just can’t believe that is happening in any great number – that is just greed if it is – pure greed! http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »dcwu
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:46pmYou don’t get it. I’d pull the plug on myself to save the family farm/business for my kids. That is what is at stake. The death tax rate is going from 0 to 50% Jnauary 1. Try to cough up 50% of a farm’s value for the IRS. You can’t. There is no cash. The kids have to sell it and do something else for a living.
Report Post »New-American-Saviors
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:51pmCase by case basis. Quality of Life issue ?
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:55pmDCWU .. you got it .. and WHO is greedy .. the family who the money belongs to .. or the government who is trying to take it!?
Report Post »Awakened One
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:10pmWhat right does the Government have to take a families assets because the primary owner dies? What did the Government do to earn those assets of a lifetime? Nothing. It’s Governmental theft of the worse kind.
Report Post »megansmom
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:39pmActually a lot of people would do it themselves. for one of 2 reasons to make sure their family got the money and the government got none.If they are dying and there is no hope why should their life’s work go someone other than who they want it to?
Report Post »For the other people who would have to decide to pull the plug, well, that‘s a moral decision that I hope they don’t make it out of greed.
snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 7:08pm@The Blazers
Could the death tax be challenged on the constitutional lines of being unfair and cruel for this means, the money has already been taxed while the recipient was alive; and now when deceased, the funds are again taxed for a second time before anything else happens.
Wondering what other Blazers think?
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:06pmAwakened One,
Its legal theft but definately NOT moral. I have tried many things to try and get around this new provision (all legal) and am mad as hell that my family will have to give 50% of what I worked my ass off for to a corrupt government. The one thing this guarantees the government is… they will now never run out of other peoples properties!
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Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 9:48am@WALKWITHME
One cannot be greedy for one’s own money. A man who earns his living is not greedy for not wanting half of it confiscated by goons with guns (aka government). The goons with guns, who demand 50% of the entire sum of the man’s estate, already after they’ve spent his entire life taxing him at 55 to 95%, are beyond greedy. They are evil.
Report Post »FedUP
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 3:11pm@ABC- once again you are getting in the way of progress. The point is not what happened yesterday- you can’t change yesterday. It is; however, about more taxes today and in the future. The death tax is much like a state who taxes its citizens on its previous federal return. Colorado does this. If you get a federal tax return (and just to be clear, this is money overpaid to the US government) you have to include it as revenue on your state tax the following year. Your being taxed twice on the same money earned! The death tax is the same- only the descendants of the deceased have to pay taxes on property and money that has already been taxed. Next- descendants will be responsible for any unpaid debt left by their loved ones.
Report Post »SND97
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:27pmI am fully convinced that both parties have completely lost total control, have gone insane and do not have a clue on how to run a nation. God help us all.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:34pmThat’s interesting – you say both parties instead of blaming it on one as so many do. I agree with you – it is both parties – Democrats and GOP who don’t have a clue what they are doing. They all are waiting for leaders and there aren’t any! Where are the leaders of both the parties? Where are thelLeaders for this country? http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »Awakened One
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:06pmHopefully we’ve elected some and they will be showing up in January.
Report Post »Eric-n-OTown
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:44pmAhhhh, and there is the point! They are not supposed to be our LEADERS, they’re supposed to be our REPRESENTATIVES! Leadership comes from the local community, from individuals taking responsibility for those things that they can effectively manage. They do not do it out of want, but out of necessity, as a free people do not require leadership, they require initiative. We often make the mistake of putting to much responsibility on others when we would be better-served by taking responsibility ourselves.
Ashley
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 7:14pmMAJOR props to Eric-n-OTown. I couldn’t agree with you more.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 8:59pmwalkwithme1966,
Well they sure as hell won’t be coming from the left, they have shown us that time and time again! The left has no idea what leadership looks or sounds like.
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Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:01pmEric-n-OTown,
Well said!
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Report Post »KimNTennessee
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:22pmEric-N-Otown….puuuuuuurfectly stated. It’s the House of “Representatives” but very few act like it.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 9:16am@Walk
It‘s true that it’s a problem with both parties, I always note this. That said, the last thing we need is more “leaders” trying to direct our lives. What we need are servants who follow the Constitution to the letter and who serve the interest of their employees within the constraints of aforementioned document. That’s what we need. No more “leaders” out leading us down primrose paths straight into hell.
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 1:02pm“General Custard,” thanks for the laugh, Snow, we all needed it after watching that debacle. Richardson had no clue what she was doing, but being a puppet for whoever was giving her the lines to speak. I think we should add another line to the “Pledge to America.” Before passing another law, we should get rid of a law. How about it Boehner?
Report Post »arx
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 4:59pmThe good leaders, or potential great leaders of this country are being viciously attaced and systematically destroyed by the media before they can do the country any good. And the sad thing is how many otherwise level headed people buy into all the hate. Sarah Palin is a prime example. How many republicans you know say they wouldn’t vote for her, or would only hold their nose in doing so? Why? Because hate and derision is a powerful group mentality..and weaker minds buy into it. The liberals have perfected their vilifications. If Ronald Reagan came on the scene today, half the GOP would laugh him off after a year or two of main stream press exposure. No leaders? No, just none that are recognized. Think about it.
Report Post »Reagan/Demint.deciple
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 11:15amI find it amazing that the speaker has to have someone else on the floor tell her what to say…
Report Post »Don’t ya think that she should know how to handle a situation like this BEFORE having the speaker role ? lol.. He asks a question and she looks down at someone else to get the answer.. Only in the U.S congress..
grandmaof5
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:25pmI heard this on the radio earlier and she was just plain cantankerous (southern for obnoxious)!
Report Post »LVMerrily
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 5:50pmEstate taxes are the most unfair of all taxes. It penalizes you for saving,investing, and being responsible – especially since it is all done with AFTER-tax dollars. The government becomes one of your major beneficiaries. The government wants you in debt, beholding to them, and have no independence to oppose them.
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:11pmAlways remember, Democrats THINK that rules don’t apply to them. They are going to find out the hard way, they’re so wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8DnA4Ro9tQ
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:39pm“The government wants you in debt, beholding to them, and have no independence to oppose them.”
LVMerrily,
You are right, but it is the BANKSTERS that they learned this tactic from!
The BANKSTERS don’t even care if they ever get back the principal….
AS LONG AS THEY KEEP GETTING THEIR INTEREST PAYMENTS!
problem is,…… the wheels are now gonna fall offda bus! For ALL of US.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:42pm@Grandmaof5
Cantankerous, outrageous, uncouth, unorthodox, undignified, unfriendly, and completely insulting would also describe the situation. He speaks the truth about the situation, and wonder who was giving her the instructions from off the images being shown.
The Progressives will twist all and any means to make sure their agenda is crammed down our throats before anything else occurs.
http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 6:47pmThese Progressives remind me of the legend of General Custard. Not the valient last stand at the little big horn; the one where he is truly declared a pomptuous, hot headed, egotistical, self centered, and conceited pain in the (insert choice of anatomy)!!!
He knew the Indians outnumbered him by some 30:1 and still refused to believe he would lose, or to wait for reinforcements. He defied his orders for his own glory seeking, and he and his men were to be shot to peices soon afterwards.
The Progressives are like Custard in defiance of the will of the People of America, and they are seeking to destroy as much as possible, change us as much as possible, and take control of as much as possible to turn us into a tyranny or a socialist – marxist state.
Americans need to remember that We outnumber Them on the order of about 500K to 1.
Report Post »Moonbat
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 7:15pm@ Snow. General Custard? Seriously?
Report Post »Major Infidel
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 7:31pmHe made me giggle a little.
Report Post »Rev. WC
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 8:05pmHey Leapord, the Custer thing is a good analogy. Hope it holds true.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 8:56pmOneFunR6,
Please stop buying into all this Bankster crap. By doing so you hasten the downfall of our Capitalist system, a system that has allowed me to put quite a few kids through good universities and has me afforded to sponsor many children in 3rd world countries.
Are there some crooks in the banking industry? Yes! But I contend there are more crooks in Congress!
Not all “banksters” are bad.
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »Tyr
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:10pmGeneral Custard rode with Twinkie the Kid!
Report Post »chazman
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:13pmPerhaps we, the American people, should just stop paying taxes until we take our country back. Let’s kick corruption in the A$$, and ensure, by oath on pain of death, or something like that, that our elected officials do as they are told!! We have to work harder to get the upper hand on these LIBERAL MARXIST, people!!!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:24pmchazman,
I’m afraid it may have to come to that. The life-blood of the beast we call government is MONEY, if we turn off the spigot, they have no choice but to listen to the people. After all, the government is supposed to work for us, not the other way around.
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Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:36pm@blazers
Okay, maybe Custard was not the best example to use. I should have been clearer in comparing his attitude of things with the attitude of the Progressives hold of the American people. Apologies for my messing that up.
Report Post »BizPublisher
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 10:16pmAll that matters is that Custard outranks Mustard
Report Post »bcullum1952
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 11:28pmNot 100% sure, but perhaps Snowleopard was thinking of Gen. George Armstrong Custer. That brave soul who made his mark on history by attacking defenseless women, children, and old people in their villages, but who foolishly did not do his homework at Little Big Horn. He split his troops, anticipating easy slaughter of Indians, but who was instead slaughtered by their warriors. He probably would have sided with Nancy, Harry and Barak in today’s Congress.
Report Post »missbosslady
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 11:40pmSnow, let me help you out here, it’s Custer not Custard. Custer was at Little Big Horn, custard is a pudding.
Report Post »Rights of Man
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 12:32amTestosterone! Wow! There are still some men with eggs left on planet Earth!
Report Post »Svt4Him
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 1:10amI disagree, she looked like she needed a teleprompter as she had no idea what was going on.
Report Post »AzCowboy
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 6:40amI Laugh My Ass Off. This is one well oiled machine. Five minutes lost. Wonder what it costs per minute to do nothing. Buyer is right. The Tea Party is here and watching these people waste MY money.
Report Post »Just a country boy
jH…
Rickfromillinois
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 8:07amIt is your choice to get a loan from a bank but you have no choice about paying taxes unless you want to choose going to prison.
Report Post »FUBARSNAFU
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 8:45amEric in otown FTW!!!
Report Post »Starvin Like Marvin
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 9:41amActually its english for argumentative, but good point! :)
Report Post »frgough
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 10:16am@onefunr,
A bank cannot force you to borrow money. Only a government can do that. You need to get rid of this indoctrination that a business, which cannot FORCE you to do anything has more power over your life than the state, which can imprison you.
Report Post »akim
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 11:23amI PROPOSE A BIRTH TAX.
Birth taxes would be an estimated tax based on the expected life earnings of a new born. The cash to pay this tax could be borrowed from the Federal Government at popular interest rates tied to something. Details can be worked out by IRS.
Report Post »JayCee
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 2:58pm‘This Is Why the People Have Thrown You Out’
I like this guy!
Report Post »be heard
Posted on December 1, 2010 at 9:47pmI’m not sure she was being an arrogant power hungry B#$%$^ch as much as she just has no clue to what her job actually entails. It looks like she has never done this before and was asking the person to the side of her what her job was. She looks completely incompetent. But I could be wrong and she could know exactly what she was doing and was just being a B@#ch.
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