Was the Grandfather Left Bloody by Police at Arizona Walmart Really Resisting Arrest?
- Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:10pm by
Christopher Santarelli
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More details are coming to light to explain what happened at an Arizona Walmart Thursday night where some witnesses claim police body-slammed a grandfather during an arrest. Buckeye Arizona Police have come under fire for a video of the incident that has since been posted online showing the grandfather on the floor of the store with a bloody face after police said he was subdued trying to shoplift during a chaotic rush for discounted video games.
The man, 54-year-old Jerald Allen Newman, is unconscious and covered in blood after a police officer took him to the ground:
Officers are shown later in the video trying to clean up blood as outraged customers yell expletives and say “that’s police brutality“ and ”he wasn’t doing anything.”
“Are you sure that was necessary for shoplifting?” said one shopper. “Why would you throw him down so hard?”
According to The Associated Press a police report that redacted the names of officers and witnesses says Newman’s wife and other witnesses said he was just trying to help his grandson after the boy was trampled by shoppers, and only put a video game in his waistband to free his hands to help the boy.
Larry Hall, assistant chief of Buckeye police, told The AP that Newman was resisting arrest and that it appeared the officer acted within reason. Hall said a Walmart employee alerted the officer involved that Newman had put a video game in his waistband, and that the officer approached Newman and started to arrest him.
When he had handcuffs on one of Newman’s wrists, Hall said Newman told the officer, “I’m not going to jail,” and started pulling away and flailing. Hall said Newman continued resisting and the officer decided to do a leg sweep and take him to the ground.
“Unfortunately, the suspect landed on his head,” Hall told AP.
However, a CNN reporter who happened to be in the crowd Thursday says Newman “was not resisting” arrest as he was led away from the crowd by a police officer:
“That officer, Chadd said, then suddenly hooked the suspect around the leg, grabbed him and ‘slammed him face first into the ground.’
‘It was like a bowling ball hitting the ground, that’s how bad it was,’ he said.”
The report said that Newman’s grandson was treated and released for his injuries by firefighters at the scene.
The Buckeye Police department is conducting an administrative review to assess the officer’s use of force, but claim it appeared to be justified.
“The officer didn’t lift the guy over his head and slam him to the ground,” Hall said, which refutes claims made by witnesses at the scene. “He used a minimum amount of force, the suspect resisted arrest, and the officer actually could have escalated his use of force. But he didn’t. He used his hands to take the suspect into custody.”
To show transparency, Hall told CNN Saturday that the department may have an independent agency conduct their investigation to assess whether the actions of the police officer involved in the arrest were “within reason,“ based on ”our policy and also the law.” He said that probe would happen soon, adding it was “days away.”
Newman took an ambulance to the hospital following the arrest where he got four stitches for a cut on the left side of his forehead. Hall told the AP that Newman’s nose was also bloodied but not broken.
Newman was booked into the Maricopa County jail on suspicion of shoplifting and resisting arrest.
The police report describes the chaotic scene around the discounted video game stand at the Walmart as customers were made to wait until a 10 p.m. release.
“I observed the crowd rush in and attack the cardboard displays with video games flying through the air and the cardboard displays being thrown around and broken completely down flat on the ground,” one officer wrote in the report about 200 people that surrounded the stand despite officers warning them to stay back..
AP reports that one officer described seeing a man get trampled and helping him to safety, while another officer saw a woman walking away from the stand with a young girl who was crying and holding her mouth in pain.
Police found Newman’s 8- or 9-year-old grandson crying after the incident and turned him over to his grandmother, who police described as hysterical.
“The wife was so upset and told me Jerald was just trying to protect his grandson that got trampled in the crowd and just placed a video game under his shirt while grabbing his grandson to get out of the crowd,” wrote one officer.
“Never go there on Black Friday, because if you go, you will get hurt,” Newman’s grandson said about Walmart two days later.
Newman’s wife told CNN Saturday that her husband is “as good as expected … but he is emotionally and mentally a wreck.”
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whatthecrazy
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:41pmThe cops are in a dangerous situation at any given time they are outnumbered,im sure thier blood is pumping 90 miles an hour,no dought an adrenilin rush lasting hours.I say give em a break accidents happen and when they are intentional they should be punnished……….
Report Post »Puppy
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:11pmI think it is idiotic to even to stand in line with a bunch of maniacs in the first place. People just do not know how to act anymore. What a bunch of morons!
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 7:48pmSo when your in the line of fire and viewed as a hostile even though your just going about your business, will you still be sympathic when the 9mm’s start to fly and one kills and or maims your loved ones. Stop giving police permission to overreact because they feel threatened. Cops are looking for any reason to use that police training on us. Don’t justify its overuse.
Report Post »Bill Rowland
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:24pmUnder the law you are not shop lifting until you get past the cash registers on your way out of the store. Sounds like the officer got ahead of himself if he arrested the man near the electornic department. That department, in Wal-Marts is located near the rear of the store. Sporting goods, electronics and,in supercenters, liquer are located as far from the cfront doors is as practical for security reasons. Unless the officer had a reason other than shop lifting he is in the wrong.
OMG
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:31pmI was tempted to sympathize with Grandpa at first, but after thinking about it, I never would have put myself in this situation. There‘s no deal so great it’s worth taking your child into that situation in the first place.
Grandpa was an idiot to take his son into a barely controlled shopping riot, and then to resist the police when it was an obvious misunderstanding. In a chaotic situation like this, he should have submitted and waited to explain himself to the police and the store.
Clearly, poor Grandpa wasn’t using good judgment at any point of this fiasco. You want to jump on the “cops are Nazis” bandwagon? Better find a better story that fits your narrative. This one ain’t it.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:40pmOh, give me a break with that bootlicking garbage about the cops being in such a dangerous situation in life. Seriously.
Every person is in danger at all times. That’s not an excuse , nor do I sympathize with these Nazis slamming that man face first into the ground over a videogame, one which he did not even leave the store with yet, therefor technically didn’t shoplift anything.
How much crack did you and the cops smoke this morning? I don’t want some adrenaline-pumping, heart-racing, live wire, walking ticking time bomb walking around carrying a badge, pistols and other weapons ON MY TAX DOLLARS.
Stop making excuses for these brutal NAZIS.
It it was an OWS protestor doing this to granddad, you bootlicking neocons would be FROTHING AT THE MOUTH. The difference is MY TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR THIS MAN’S NAZI-INDUCED FACIAL SURGERY.
WTF.
Report Post »Cavy2see
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:56pmSo idotic to bring a child to the store with this kind of senario…sad for everyone…sometimes we do dumb things…and the poor cops…they saw a man with video in his belt…stealing is such a previlant thing at holidays…sad…
Report Post »PASSIONFORCHRIST
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:01pmFirst you are not allowed to arrest anybody for shoplifting unless they leave the store first. If you suspect someone of shoplifting in your store, YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM WHY YOUR DETAINING THEM AND ASK TO SEARCH THEM, THEN AND ONLY THEN IF THEY DON’T COMPLY FOR THE SEARCH YOU CAN ARREST THEM ON THE SPOT SO YOU CAN SEARCH THEM!!!!!!!!! THIS GUY HAS A GOOD REASON TO SUE!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:19pmWalMart is the king of surveillance; time to subpoena their videos of the event to find out what really happened.
Report Post »Ira McBiff
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:32pmthese kind of accedents are NOT supposed to happen,,and if that officers training is what i believe it to be,,he knows this,,if he cant make an arrest in this situation on this guy without smashing his face in front of an 8 year old he needs to find another line of work and he would be unemployed if he worked my jurisdiction ,,he probibly didnt even need to attemt to arrest him
Report Post »pattiekw
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:44pmI worked at a Best Buy ..and the security is NOT suppose to touch a customer until they walk out the door..I don’t care WHAT he did he had every right to be there and until he walked out that door he was innocent. Since when do we have to be afraid to leave our house ? that is what is happening these flash mobs are out of control …if he was stealing anything he would have stuck it in his pants and headed for the door NOT towards his grandson..those that think JUST because he was there he deserved it are the ones I wouldn’t want to come to my defense if I was raped ..you would probably blame me for what I wore…
Report Post »HisNameWasRobertPaulson
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 10:01pmNone of you know what the law is. The law HAS NEVER stated in any way that you actually have to be past the cash registers with the concealed item to have it be shoplifting.
THE ONLY QUALIFIER for it to be shoplifting is that you conceal the item on your person while on the premises, or attempt to leave the store without paying for it. EITHER OR.
The man put it in his waistband, under his shirt. That is concealment of an item he did not pay for. Sorry guys, that is shoplifting. And he brought his youngin’ along for that? I don’t buy a word this guy says, because he is insane.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 11:18pmIf you can’t handle the pressure, don’t be a cop.
QED
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:02amV-MAN MACE
Report Post »Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:40pm
It it was an OWS protestor doing this to granddad, you bootlicking neocons would be FROTHING AT THE MOUTH.
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And a good tasting froth it would be. Actually, I would rather see this happen to an OWS protester than some poor grand-dad that got caught-up in a messy situation.
SerikFox
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:26am@V-Man I have listened to stories from cops. Yeah, you bet they’re in dangerous situations. I couldn’t be paid enough to take that job. The hatred that would cause someone to compare someone to the nazis is a pretty good example of why they have a dangerous job. How can you even make that comparison. You dishonor every person who suffered at the hands of the nazis.
Report Post »ms.katherine
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:43amWhat I find just absolutely soooooooooooooo “ironic” is how a CNN a reporter, just happen to be there, you know to report the truth!!!!! Whatever…ATTENTION: All Officers, PROTECT YOURSELVES!!!!!!
Report Post »rabblechat
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:56amIf these jackboot cops want to face plant someone for stealing, why dont they head to wall street or D.C. More than enough thieves in those two places to go round. Grandpa is accused of what, stealing a 20$ game? How much did Corzine get away with stealing?
Report Post »And people still wonder why the OWS’ers are ticked off?
old white guy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:08ami have no respect for those cops.
Report Post »Jezcruzen
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:12amThe cops were in a dangerous situation? Isn’t that what we pay them for? If any of them can’t handle it then they need to go work elsewhere! What we saw in this case is the morphing together of corporate greed and the police state. I’m sure that the big investigation (carried on by other cops) will result in a decision of no wrong doing – just following protocol, and the ******* cop will continue collecting our paycheck, full benefits, and a comfortable pension later on. Maybe next time they can taze a grandmother! I bet that will solicit a lot of yucking it up during roll-call!
Report Post »De minimus
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:50amThis is a simple case of cop with his head up his rectum. He was going to arrest the VICTIM, and needed no explanation from him, so as you are taught in cop school, he did a surprise take down, which bounced an INNOCENT man face first into the concrete. The charges will be dropped when he signs a waver not to sue all involved parties, which he will not do and so therefore this will go to trial until the powers that be decide that they cannot afford the bad publicity and loss of the case in court.
Meanwhile the cop/s that did this will receive “corrective discipline” and be available for other mindless assaults upon whoever they think needs it in the future.
Put yourself in the victim‘s place and tell me that you wouldn’t have done what this VICTIM did. Tell me that you wouldn’t try to preserve the reason for your trip to the store and save your GRANDSON FROM INJURY too. I would have done it exactly the same way he did. He is innocent and the cop is not.
Report Post »JayCee
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:06amGive these cops a break?
Report Post »You have got to be kidding.
They were not faced with a raging 6 ft., 300 lb. lunatic. They could have killed this man over a black Friday discounted (probably $5 or less) video game.
Idiotic for someone to take a child to Walmart?
Why? Aren’t the police there to serve and protect? Apparently not.
The grandson will probably grow up fearing and hating the police with good reason.
JayCee
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:54pmI doubt Mr. Newman was shoplifting a stupid cheap video game.
According to CNN:
“They were just letting people in; there was nowhere to walk,” said his daughter, Berneta Sanchez, who was also in the store. “Teenagers and adults were fighting for these games, taking them away from little kids and away from my father.”
The suspect’s grandson, Nicholas Nava, told CNN affiliate KNXV that Newman had grabbed one video game and put it under his shirt so that others jostling for the game didn’t take it from him. One person alerted a police officer, who then approached Newman.
David Chadd, a CNN iReporter from Las Vegas, was among the crowd shopping for video games set up in the Walmart’s grocery section. He said Newman “was not resisting” arrest as he was led away from the crowd by a police officer.
That officer, Chadd said, then suddenly hooked the suspect around the leg, grabbed him and “slammed him face first into the ground.”
“It was like a bowling ball hitting the ground, that’s how bad it was,” he said.
……..and…..
Sanchez described her father as “a really nice man,” saying he is a custom furniture maker who preaches through the California prison system. He has raised his grandson from birth and, even while in the hospital, Sanchez said the boy was her father’s chief concern.
Report Post »JeannieNC
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:15pmAgree with the others on the FACT that …You must have left the store’s premises before you can be approached for not paying for items. Also only certain states allow you to detain someone…much less use this kind of force. Not that I like hearing about sue happy people these days but I hope this man gets his day in court with the person or persons that did this!
Report Post »krenshau
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:55pmYah, all those shoppers sure get the cops blood flowing. It’s real high pressure stopping a potential shop lifter. This cop is an idiot. It isn’t shop lifting unless he leaves the store with the item. He can shove a dozen items in his pants as long as he pays for them before he leaves. This cop is a barbarian.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:07pmThat’s absolutely ridiculous and idiotic. First off it’s not shoplifting until you attempt to leave the store, so they had no cause to arrest him at that point to begin with. There also isn’t a single witness that is backing up the police story that he was resisting arrest, making any use of force unnecessary let alone the grossly exessive force they used.
Sorry but you don‘t get a pass for being a power mad lunatic just because you’ve got a uniform on. I respect good poice officers more than anybody, but protecting the cretins that gravitate to the profession doesn’t do the honest officers any good.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:25pm@HISNAMEWAS
Sorry wrong. Concealing an item is not against the law. Stealing it is. The only way you can be convicted for shoplifiting without actually attempting to leave the store is if they catch you concealing items and when confronted it’s discovered that you do not have the means to pay for items.
Report Post »marine2.0
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:32amBill Rowland, you are incorrect about passing a cash register. You are confusing the elements that must be satisfied by the security personal of the store with the actual elements of a criminal activity that law enforcement acts under. Concealment is illegal and a even though store personal can act upon that legally they prefer to cover their bases and wait until person has passed the last point of sale.
Report Post »Unfortunately with the nature of how media relays events of law enforcement now a days rule of law is secondary to emotional ranting. I arrested a dope peddler and he fought me right out in the open swinging and everything. When I, who has extensive training in mma, took him down decisively the crowd that had gathered started whining about excessive force. It was like they never saw the dope dealer initiate the fight and I was just a bully.
marine2.0
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:42amI wish i would have read Passions statement before I finished my earlier post. WRONG, WRONG and WRONG again! As I explained earlier concealment is a crime and portrays an intent to deprive through stealth. Also, if I have to ask for consent to search then I do not have enough cause to arrest! If I have enough cause to arrest then I do not have to have consent to search! Come on folks, ignorance of law is no excuse. As far as the injuries go…contrary to popular belief people do not have handles nor are they easily controlled when that little testy hormone adrenaline is flowing. The Walmart has a tile floor. How many slip and fall injuries do you think that they deal with on a regular basis?
Report Post »jimmy1029
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:35pmJust wait until the coppers find out the identity of the person who had the nerve to film this incident..we’ll have another assault on our hands !!
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:15pmI am sure the coppers won’t like it. They need to CALM DOWN and stop being such unwitting actors for so many horrible videos. I would never want to be a cop after watching so many of them hit the Youtube circuit so OFTEN.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:11amif i filmed it i would make sure grandpa’s lawyer had a copy of it.
Report Post »marine2.0
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:49amSue for what? Grandpa admitted to concealing the game which is a crime. Regardless of his claim of intent and ignorance of his action, he was wrong. Cops really don’ta care about being filmed! We acknowledge that it is the nature of the beast and as long as we follow procedure and uphold the law as best we can then we can face anything with our head held high. Most of the time though, the film seals the deal for the wrongful actions of perps! So to that I say bring your camera and show the judge and jury what a douche bag they are.
Report Post »janedough1
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:34pmThis would be precisely why I stay far away from retail stores on Thanksgiving weekend. I try to stay out of Walmart altogether these days. Is a cheap video game going to make up for the loss of a family member over the holidays? No. So why risk it by going to these increasingly deadly greed-fests? Give your kids a small, homemade, joyous Christmas or shop at small local shops and stay the heck away from from these big box chains. This is NOT what Christmas is about.
Report Post »Defends the TRUTH
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 7:34pmAccording to the story, the guy was “Shop Lifting”…Last time i checked thats a Crime!!!! i don’t care what the Police do!!!!!! You break the Law, you could get your head broke open!!!! Don’t Steal, and you won’t get hurt…PERIOD!!
Hooked on Capitalism, Works for ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 7:53pmI doubt very seriously the guy went there to steal with his wife and 7 yr old grandson. Get real. He should have just dropped the vid on the floor and grabbed his grandson. Too late for redux.
Report Post »demsaredumb
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:20pmDefends The Truth, it is not shop lifting unless he walks out the door with the item, is that what he did?
Report Post »If he did not leave the store with item how do yo know he was shop lifting, he may have intended to pay for it.
Ne_FAL
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:06pmAccording to the story the grandfather was trying to get farther into the store not out of the store . It’s not shop lifting till you try & leave, mind you I think grandpa is a doofus for taking his grandson into a mob . As for the cop that slammed his head into the floor there will be a white wash that will say that the grandpa should be happy he didn’t get shot.
Report Post »Al Dunaway
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:28pmIn Arizona concealing merchandise is a crime, whether you have left the store or not.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:35am@ Al Dunaway
While you are correct about concealing merchandise (ARS 13-1805, 5: Concealment), it’s not clear that he concealed it. Simply putting something in the waistband, or a pocket, (especially the size of a video game) is not “concealing the item” if the item is “poking out.”
Cops tend to go overboard on small incidents. Cops aren’t required to protect and serve us. They are only obligated to enforce the law. And usually that means by coercing people into bad situations. They have this mentality that it’s “Us (the cops) versus them (the people)”. Pretty soon, all of this, is going to explode.
Report Post »Peace (until then)
old white guy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:56amal doneaway, i would like to see any concealled merchandise law pass muster at the scotus.
Report Post »andersman
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:56pm@DEFENDS THE TRUTH – see, that’s why we have the 3 branches of government that are supposed to watch over each other and last time I checked, Wal-Mart employees didn’t get to try and convict a consumer. That’s the job of the Courts.
You say “according to the story he was shoplifting” so he deserves it? Without a trial or anything…? Nice. See, THIS is why you right wingers disgust me and are an embarrassment to this country.
By your reasoning, when you‘re walking down the street one day and someone tells a police officer that you look like someone who is wanted for robbing a convienence store you won’t mind the cop pushing your face through the back of your empty little head because you “resisted arrest” professing your innocence. Will you?
Hey… If you don’t want the hassle just stay home.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:34pm@AL
Concealing merchandise is not a crime sorry. Concealing merchandise when you don’t have the means to actually pay for merchandise is a crime. That is the ONLY legally accepted way to prove the intention to shoplift when the shoplifting hasn’t actually occured yet.
Besides the game was less than $15 which makes it a class C misdemeanor offense even if they could prove he intended to steal it. It’s not even an arrestable offense.
Report Post »Defends the TRUTH
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:54am@A-man…..I don’t usually care to comment back, it’s like bantering to the wall…i just make my comments and move on, but i will on this one….Here goes my thoughts…I do choose to stay home on “Black Friday”…As far as innocent, the guy was CONCEALING Merchandise. Where i’m from thats Shop Lifting!!!! My sister spent and 1 1/2 yrs. in state prison for doing just that!!! Most Shop lifters look SOOOOO innocent, but thats what they do. Rather its a “GrandFather” or My Sister, doesn’t matter!!
Don’t put yourself in a situation that even appears to be concealing stuff. Yes, i stand by my first comments.
Oh, yeah, one more thang…LONG LIVE THE RIGHT WINGERS!!!! i laughed at that…i believe DONT BREAK LAW..WONT GET TACKLED!!!! Know the Laws!!!
Hooked on Capitalism, Works for ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »JayCee
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:34pmThe mall cop should be fired and sued to the hilt. He should also be arrested and prosecuted for assault.
Report Post »Walmart should have to pay dearly for hiring such psychotic goons like him.
Besides punitive damages make them pay some very expensive medical bills and legal fees for both Mr. Newman and his grandson.
It is not shoplifting until you exit the store.
hi
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:55pmAnyone who touches the merchandise with his genitals or butt should have tazer-ed and should not have been handled so gingerly.
Report Post »Duddio
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 7:53pmLet me just be sure I understand… by the cop’s own admission, he already had the guy in cuffs and was leading him out of a trampling mob? So he trips him and lets him fall on his face while his hands are cuffed behind his back? THAT’S justifiable force? Had he proven the shoplifting? Did he even stop to get a statement from the man who was trying to save his grandson from the crowd?
Report Post »Sounds to me like there is no common sense on the police side…..
My wife witnessed a family sitting in an aisle breaking open packaging at Walmart and stuffing things into backpacks, & when she reported it, she was accosted in the parking lot by the group. No security came to help, no police, no good samaritans. We now have guns, and she is a great shot!!
Maji
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:20pmLast I read this morning this guy was still in the store!
Which means he hadn’t shoplifted yet!!!
If he was still in the store no crime was commited.
I had also read that the wife had stated that he was trying to keep it from being
ripped from his hands!!
If he doesn’t get satisfaction in court…I say wait your turn and put a soft spot
in the back of that cop’s head!!!
That was shameful!!
Report Post »Al Dunaway
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:31pmThe cop had the cuffs on one wrist, which means the guy could use them as a weapon if he got free. And in Arizona concealing merchandise is a crime, whether you left the store or not.
Report Post »daveinlex
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:44pm@Al Dunaway
Are shopping bags illegal in AZ as well? Could I get my head split open for shoving a video game in a cloth shopping bag? It is concealed…..I have gone into stores and grabbed a soda and opened it, drank it and then had the cashier scan the empty bottle at the check out…would that get my face smashed in AZ? I need to stay the hell out of AZ….your cops must be crazy.
Report Post »Iggy Dalrymple
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:33pmThis just in: The Koch Brothers are planning on mobilizing the Walmart Shopper Corps against the Occupy Mob.
Report Post »308Hammer
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:32pmAccording to the entire story he was not shop lifting. Simply because a cop that doesn’t understand the law (what a surprise) chooses to go overboard and could have killed this man doesn’t mean the law abiding public should support this officers action without review.
There are police out there that do absolutely nothing, there are cops out there that prey on the weak, and then you have good cops. These good cops need to start culling the herd with regards to bad cops.
Report Post »jcldwl
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:25pmOkay Blaze your headline is all that makes this a story. You are trying to make it sound like a little old man got beat up by police. This isn’t the first story I have seen on here that was misleading by the title. How about the one “Mysterious plane crashes in superstion mountains” In that article there was nothing mysterious about the plane. It was known exactly what type of aircraft it was. YOU ARE DISAPPOINTING ME AND MANY OTHERS WITH YOUR INTENTIONAL MISLEADING HEADLINES. I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT TRUTH HERE.
Report Post »bulletsinthegun
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:31pmI have 1 question. What is this man’s rap sheet look like. My guess is there is nothing but maybe a traffic ticket or two. Same on the Police.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:49pmA little old man got beat up by the police…AGAIN…
And it’s CAUGHT ON VIDEO…AGAIN.
FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME.
RESIST THE BRUTAL NAZI POLICE STATE!
Report Post »geonj
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:22pmi don’t know arizona law, but is it shoplifting before he walks out of the doors without paying?
Report Post »1casawizard
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:32pmIt’s unlawful concealment before you walk out the door in Georgia.
Report Post »Cavy2see
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:14pmI wonder if they have a conceelment law there…and who would want to buy something that was put in his pants…??? underwear is sometimes not present…eeewww….so sorry just a thought…discusting…but did I read it correctly…he put the video under his belt???
Report Post »Al Dunaway
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:33pmYes, it is shoplifting any time you conceal merchandise.
Report Post »DanielBurke
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:11pmLook like grandad is going to have a hell of a good lawsuit against the city.
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:10pmWalmart sounds like a pretty tough place to do any shopping.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:34pmYou may have no idea, two years ago I was waiting in line — one hour before the store opened — to buy a portable radio at the store just down the street. A security guard got rough with me, pushing me around and making threats when I asked him (note, I did not yell or anything else provocative) what the problem was and to summon his manager.
The police came as well, and nothing was done to me or him; even though under AZ law his actions do constitute as assault (he shoved me hard enough to be pushed out of the line repeatedly) I did expect to be beaten upon.
I still respect the greater majority of police in Phoenix, they have the near impossible job of keeping these streets safe and sane (such as they can); yet more and more I see these security guards who have not been former police acting like thugs…and some at the local Wal Mart claim to be TSA employees as well (doubtfull).
Report Post »Thevoice
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:10pmTo give a true statement to the stroy …You would have to watch the Walmart survalance tape.. I would for my own coursiioty see if the guy was stealing it .or just needed to get his hands free..Would be intresting.
Report Post »WiredRight
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:10pmIt’s not shoplifting until he attempts to leave the store… The charges will not hold up.
Report Post »palmettopalflorida
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:17pmCorrect!
Report Post »dread_pirate_roberts
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:20pmYou got that right, and as a former wal mart management type- This was WAY outside of policy 10 years ago, wonder if it’s what they really want now?
ARRRG. They can all bloody well walk me plank, the farging bastages…
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:29pm@Wired – I have looked it up under AZ law, IF (and a big IF) he did slip the video game under his shirt even while trying to help his grandson up off the ground or such, then technically he did break the law.
However, I want to see the entire security videos from the store; plus whatever other videos happen to be availible — in their entirity before making up a final conclusion either way; though if the offcer did step over the line, then the grandfather I hope sues the daylights out of the Phoenix PD and wins.
Report Post »DexterAmericus
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:40pmAbsolutely true
Report Post »pattiekw
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:52pmAbsolutely
Report Post »Californiasodbuster
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:03pmAnd the bystander talking in the video, you had to slam him so hard for shoplifting.
Report Post »Well, i wonder what he would say if the 54 year old had stole from him?
DagneyT
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:57pmAnother reason I avoid black friday like the plague! Shopping online makes sense to me.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:53pmI’m torn on this topic. I tend to think the Police officer involved needs a little more training in safely subduing a suspected shoplifter (I don’t think anyone screamed he shot anyone). On the other hand, the shoplifter could have complied and let himself be cuffed… saving the smashed face and explained calmly instead of resisting. Might have “saved face” so to speak. Unfortunate incident.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:56pmI don’t want my property protected in this way. The point is to stop the shoplifting IF he was actually shoplifting…not to bodyslam an old man on his face.
They like this type of crap. Don’t make me start posting multiple examples of this type of brutality REGULARLY perpetrated by these NAZI CRIMINALS.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 10:25pmThen V-Man, based on what I wrote we pretty much agree.
Please, I know you’re Ron Paul supporter… we can do with out all the links, lol.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:29amWhat part of the law says you have to comply with unlawful orders and accept brutality at the hands of public servants FIRST before trying to defend yourself or escape?
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:59am@V. It’s called the law of averages. In this case an average guy it appears was accused of shoplifting, and the law of averages kicked in when he resisted being detained by the police. You run the risk of a face-plant. Doesn‘t mean it’s right, or I agree with it.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:09pmThe law of averages says that the average person accused of resisting arrest after a cop brutalizes them is usually innocent of resisting arrest and are charged with trumped up garbage to make it appear justified, especially if the abuse is caught on video.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:48pmIf adults choose to go through that madness , they should leave the children at home. who in their right mind is going to subject a child to such potential crazy situations, and at that time of night, children belong home late at night, yuh think?
Report Post »Fight for America
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:48pm“under his shirt” or “in his waistband” – either version sounds like someone was trying to steal. Now, while it’s important that the man was not abused and not badly injured – let’s think about it.
Crazed people on Black Friday – how many brains do you need to have so that you know it’s not a good place to take a child? Sorry, it’s not a perfect world and as long as there are crazed people or mobs or crowds – someone is almost guaranteed to get hurt.
Then, if you are truly worried about your grandchild and going to his defense, why would you take the time to hide a lousy video game or attach it to your body by the waistband? Boy priority or game priority?
Now, for the next time, and there will be a next time in one or more places – stop the Black Friday Hours craziness. Let people apply in advance for a “lottery ticket” to guarantee a purchase of the hot shot item. They can do it via USPS or via Internet but no one can stand outside or camp outside for days or hours in advance.
Don’t let everyone rush in at the same time. I saw what looked like Olympic runners leaping over and into and beyond those who were technically first in linie. Maybe this Black Friday panic shopping works to advertise stores but it sure shows that it doesn’t work if you want everyone to be safe.
Report Post »Arizona Don
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:00pmThis is plain and simple B_S. These people have no brains what so ever, period.
Report Post »blazer809
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:48pmI have the solution….Keep all police officers away from mob scenes like these. I wouldn’t allow one officer to drive onto the parking lot no matter what happens. Headline: 26 critically injured, no one cares. Shut down all community services for idiots.
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:36pmIn America, it’s getting to the point that some police officers are worse than the criminals. Excessive force. This was unnecessary.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:31pmnope , i dont feel bad at all
next time he might think twice before placing other peoples property in his pants ( called theft) anything that happens after that was brought on by your own decision to commit a crime
buh bye loser ………….and enjoy that headache
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:34pmIt’s not theft until he leaves the store with it. He didn’t do that, so neither you nor the cops know what he was intending.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:46pm@ isle
i call bs there is no reason to put un payed for merchandise in your pants …………ever it is concealing merchandise that doesnt belong to you …………………….and in my book, thats called theft . perhaps if i lived in a make believe world your comment would make sense , but hey……………i decided that world of yours is too full of dimwits
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:10pmISLESFORDIAN
Report Post »In my state, if you conceal an item in any way on your body, it is a crime, and they can arrest you while still inside the store. It’s called concealment. I learned of this law when I worked in retail sales. I want to point out, that in no way am I supporting what PSYCHOSIS posted.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 7:27pmShoplifters are usually arrested if they are trying to leave with merchandise, in a scrum like that, I would have to beleive the old man, putting it in your pocket to get your grandkid out of there sounds viable.
Report Post »Cavy2see
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:10pmSome states have different rules…but as I said before this point won’t be changed either way…I would never bring a child to this kind of theatric olympian quest…nothing is worth that much to me…things are not the important thing this man should have never taken kid to the store…Walmart should be resposible too…letting people mob into the store like that…lottery number or on line numbers…so people can show up…or have more merchandise…I wanted to go get a tv at another store…haha…forget it…only 20 some as low as 12 items for sale…what is up with that???? forget the Black friday stuff yuck…what a mess…for probable junk…
Report Post »BlazingPatriot
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:47pm@Psycotic:
You interpretation of theft is so far off base it is laughable. This man was caught up in a chaotic rush with an innocent child! No sense in spelling out the details as to why things transpired as they did. You simply “Do NOT get it”. It is also obvious you don’t have an ounce of compassion in your dark soul. You desperately lack common sense and I pray you never, ever are required to serve on a jury.
Report Post »Govtnitwit
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:30pmHis action did not meet the standard for shoplifting. He did not attempt to leave the store without paying for the item. If he had made it to the check out counter and took the item out of his pants and paid for it would that still be shoplifting?
He should sue the store, the police department and every individual involved!
Report Post »blazer809
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:33pmso the police ran up to an innocent shopper and body slammed him?
Report Post »REDBLOODEDHUSKER
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:48pm@blazer809
Yes. Because a walmart employee made the assumption that he was shoplifting and told the cops. All the cops had to go on was that statement. Instead of asking the man what he was doing with a video game in his pants, they just assumed he was guilty and began arresting him without even seeing if the guy was going to make his way to the exits.
This was a big time over reaction from the police, a dump reaction by the grandfather, and now a scramble by the police dept to do damage control. Bad all around.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:28pmHard to see how the shoplifting charge will hold, since he never left the store with the item. Attempting to arrest him should thus be judged as unjustified. In the melee the officer could have no certain knowledge of what he intended to do. Those officers should only be there to maintain safety, not to prosecute theft.
Report Post »Al Dunaway
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 9:48pmConcealment of merchandise is a crime in Arizona. Leaving the store is irrelevant.
Report Post »blaaaaackwoman
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:20pmGrandfather? He’s only 54, the officers were in danger. They should have given him a good tasering.
I don’t want to see any criticism of the police on this board unless you want to end up on the “list”.
Report Post »blazer809
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:32pmstores aren’t you personal grab bag to take from. don’t steal, you don’t have to deal with the police now do ya?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:32pm” the officers were in danger.”
Yep. And they’re going to be in MORE danger by making law abiding people hate and distrust them because of odious behavior like this.
I’m ALREADY on the list. ;-)
Report Post »daveinlex
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:28pm@Islesfordian
Report Post »Yep…there’s a lot more of us than there are of them. I think that police (in general) have absolutely no respect for the citizenry they have sworn to protect. So far as I know, I have never broken the law but every encounter I have had with the police have been negative. In my experience, they are the rudest, most arrogant, narcissistic people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. I know they have a tough job but so does a trash collector or a repo man.
Every time negative. Years ago I had my van broke into while I was playing pool and the thieves stole my new shotgun. The cop was more concerned with “why I had a shotgun” more than obtaining evidence to try and catch the crooks. He never took finger prints or even took any pictures of the van…after “interrogating” me about my shotgun and asking me what I used it for I got frustrated and responded by mixing profanity with my response he got out of his car and drew his weapon handcuffed me and searched my van top to bottom. I had never even had a ticket much less a rap sheet. I have never had a positive experience with a policeman…never. I remember being pulled over and hassled when i was a young guy …no reason just pulled over, car searched no explanation given. Told to go home or get out of my county.
lukerw
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:19pmWalmat has a Policy… to let theft occur… and to charge off the Item to a loss! What the hell… are the police doing there?
Report Post »blazer809
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:32pmno, that’s not their policy
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:02pmOh, you are right… theft is just ignored for items $25 or less :)
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:17pmIt’s a disgusting story. My guy tells me that the officer went way overboard. Black Fridays bring out the worst in people, a feeding frenzy mentality.
Report Post »blazer809
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:38pmNo, it’s not disgusting…it’s life. who’s your guy? Note to self, we still have a working court system. If you think you’re not guilty then fight it at the courthouse. Goofballs want to attempt to steal something, then try and get away…….and then blame a police officer.
Report Post »4GODUSAANDISRAEL
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 7:18pmhere’s the thing, one side says he was shoplifting, and the other is saying he was trying to help his grandson, then the other side says he resisted arrest while no eyewitnesses have come forward agreeing with the resisting arrest thing. so, really nobody will know until that security tape from walmart is released (and you know they got it on tape! if someone was in the security office monitoring cameras, they would have zoomed right in on the “action” I know my co-workers always did at a downtown Cleveland store when something would happen, every time, caught on tape!) Now, the fact that the security tape has not been released leads me to believe that the police officer is in the wrong, if he had been in the right, that tape would be out by now proving the officer’s “innocence”.
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:17pmStrangely, there is a part of me that is welcoming of what is going to happen soon. That a woman pepper sprays her fellow shoppers just to get ahead in a line, that we don’t really know if this guy was shoplifting or just trying to protect his grandson…that last year an ACTUAL PERSON -FOR REAL PERSON was crushed to death by “Holiday” shoppers just amazes me.!
Report Post »It won’t take months people…large populations of this Nation will fall into anarchy within 2weeks.
phillipwgirard
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:58pmI whole heartedly agree
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:47pmExactly,a mob mentality will form rather quickly and violence is certain,it is coming.
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