Guess What: Hybrid Cars Don’t Really Save You That Much Money
- Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:43pm by
Becket Adams
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Remember when The Blaze published an article titled “Seven Reasons Why Buying an Electric Car Might Be a Terrible Idea” (via Business Insider)? The whole point of the article was to illustrate how — financially speaking — buying an electric vehicle was a bad, bad decision.
Well, it looks like the idea is starting to catch on.
“A TrueCar.com study…shows that, except in three cases, fuel-efficient technology is so expensive that these types of cars take years to pay off at today’s gas prices — and that remains true even if gas were to hit $5 per gallon,” writes Evann Gastaldo of Newser.
Interestingly enough, the study was commissioned by the New York Times.
“In some cases, the average driver would take more than a decade to see savings over comparable conventional vehicles, which is a problem since the average person owns a car just six years [emphasis added],” Gastoldo writes. “Most fuel-efficient cars will be more expensive to purchase and to drive for five years, at minimum.”
That seems to destroy one of the main reasons anyone would ever buy a hybrid.
In fact, “Gas would have to approach $8 a gallon before many of the cars could be expected to pay off in the six years an average person owns a car [emphasis added],” according to the New York Times.
Wait, gas would have to be $8 per gallon? Well, in that case, with gas prices rising as they are, maybe hybrids aren’t such a bad idea after all.
Of course, the NYT study doesn’t implicate all hybrids. As with every rule, there are exceptions (via Nashville Business Journal):
A few vehicles begin paying off relatively soon after leaving the dealership. Two hybrids— Toyota’s Prius ($23,537) and Lincoln’s MKZ ($33,887)— as well as Volkswagen’s diesel-powered Jetta TDI ($25,242) all take less than two years before they start saving their owners money.
Still, this begs the obvious question: Why do some drivers pay more for a fuel-efficient vehicle that could take decades to produce savings?
Well, other than a total failure to understand basic math, there are the social reasons.
“Others clearly view saving fuel and doing something better for the environment as their ultimate goals, regardless of cost,” the NYT reports. “The Prius, for example, became a success in part because drivers wanted to drive — and be seen driving — a hybrid.”
Simply put, some people are dishing out extra because they think they’re saving the world.
Ed Moran, a horticulturist, bought a new Toyota Prius even though he knew his fuel savings would negated by his new monthly loan payment.
“…[B]ut driving a hybrid just felt right,” the NYT writes.
“I thought, ‘I try to save plants every day, so why am I not doing my part?’” Moran said.
And apparently, there’s another reason why someone would be willing got pay more for a fuel-efficient car that isn’t really efficient.
“Fuel economy has become a social attribute,” Tom Turrentine, an anthropologist at the University of California, Davis, who has studied car buying habits and is the director of the university’s Plug-In Hybrid and Electric Vehicle Research Center (yes, that’s a real thing), told the NYT.
“People want to have good fuel economy because if they have poor fuel economy they might look stupid,” he added.
Click here to the NYT’s read the full report / Click here to see the chart that explains how many years it would take to break even.
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Comments (126)
vballbob
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:18pmthe way to get good return is to 1) buy the car used ( I bought my car with 40000mi at less than half the price of a new car – it was only 2 years old!), 2) I traded in my ford explorer for a honda civic hybrid and went from 20mpg to 40mpg; 3) the money I saved each month in gas pays for the car loan amount! For me, it was a great move and made great economic sense. And I love the car.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 7:29pmI will keep my S10′s and keep feeding plants; unless I find a deal like you did. I f those politicians allow a rational alcohol source, like switch grass, then My 2000 could run on that.
Report Post »Rocky_Top
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:46pmMy car is great on my wallet. I bought my car used with only 20,000 miles on it back in 94′ I paid cash $11, 000. I drive it about 20,000 miles a year at a total cost of $375 a month. that includes gas oil change tires, repair, car payment (ha ha! it is paid for) and even a new paint job every 10 years. It is well kept. It even has new projector headlights and other new style cool stuff. The trick is that the tires last 50,000 miles and the parts are so cheap and easy to find. Water pump cost $20. A brand new engine $2,000. And it is paid for. Every year It passes emissions with ease. ( Many new cars fail yet my car could pollute 20 times more and still pass! ) What car could be so clean and cheap to run? It is a 1993 Chevy Suburban. Yes I pay more for gas. (17+ miles per gallon) 18 years without a car payment . Yes it has 400k miles on it. (looks new !)
When I hear about these planet saving cars I have to stop and think. How much pollution do does it take to make a new car? Why do new cars with all that pollution control fail when they are only 5 years old? how much pollution is involved in making and changing the batteries every 3 five years? Do people know that if you run 10% ethanol in you tank it clogs your fuel and valve system and makes your car run poorly witch in turn causes more pollution? Do green people know anything?
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:13pmI’m tempted to curse on this one…really?…no effin kidding! But no matter the cost and the futility of it, the global warming green Nazis will still be doing the goose step. They have their agenda and the truth doesn’t matter.
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 12:26am“…but driving a hybrid just felt right…”
I’ll feel better with a less expensive regular car and passing gas in it.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 11:50amActually, the only thing “hybrid” vehicles do, besides dramatically reduce your range and flexibility of travel, “IS” remove the pollution from your vehicle and place it in the “energy companies” purview.
A sort of liberal ‘cleansing’ of the conscientious for intellectually challenged vehicle owners.
Report Post »marion
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 1:12amONe problem: Hybrids aren’t sold as a two year old price reduction vehicles, so that only works in the future. Figure that payoff reaching $8 a gallon for gas, but wait until the price of electricity goes up. Heck, will have to get a gas generator to save on electricity costs just to drive the car!!!!!!!
Report Post »hallkbrdz
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 9:47amBob, Buying used is definitely smart. Let someone else pay for the initial depreciation.
I do have to chuckle at all these reporters that list the VW TDI as a hybrid. It’s a diesel folks – not a hybrid. No fancy battery, no electric drive motors, it just runs on diesel instead of gasoline/alcohol.
Of course what it doesn’t reveal is how much more repairing a hybrid will cost you if you keep the car for more than a few years (like you would really need to for the volt). Most independent shops still can’t (or won’t) work on them if it has anything to do with the engine or transmission beyond basic things. So figure to spend more on larger repair items since you will be seeing the dealer. That makes the simple diesel solution look that much better.
Report Post »Bubblehead706
Posted on April 7, 2012 at 11:19amRULER4YOU
I think you meant, Electric not Hybrid. Most hybrids are not plug-ins and their range is 380 miles and up before stopping at a gas pump. I tend to keep my cars for 10 or more years. The ‘06 Prius that I own has 130k miles and is still getting great mileage. My last six hour trip on I95, I got 47.8 mpg. This car is my family’s every day work horse and we could be happier with it.
Report Post »As for the uninformed people who think that the batteries need to be changed out every 3-5 years, your wrong on the high voltage batteries. The 12 volt aux. battery that starts the gas motor and runs the clock, radio and so forth, needs to be replaced just like a standard all gas car.
I didn’t buy it to save the planet. My green says “In God we trust”!
Gringagirl
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:15pmWhat car pays for itself? When I bought my Prius 5 years go I was trying to avoid having to spend over $75 a week to fill up my jeep Cherokee. I wasn’t thinking of being green or saving the planet. I was more interested in saving my budget and keeping the green in my wallet. If I hadn’t spent 24k on a Prius I would have spent 30 k on a Camry and ened up spending more on gas, so I think I made a great choice. I love my Prius and can’t wait to buy another.
Report Post »Laus Deo
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:24pmCall me whatever you please but I’d gladly spend the extra few thousand just to sidestep looking like a liberal tool, driving the cephalic portion of a spermatozoon.
Report Post »Gringagirl
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:55pm@ Laus Deo I’d rather be pragmatic in my choice of cars than worry about what tools like you care about what my car looks like. At least I’m getting 51 mpg trying go earn an honest living inspite of our deceiver in chief doing everything he can to increase our energy costs..
Report Post »jocko
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:44pmWow. that is so impressive!
On the other hand, you could have bought an American Ford Focus with 40 mpg for only $16,500. But then, if you like spending more money to drive around in foreign tag car, that is your American freedom of choice.
Report Post »GrumpyCat
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:59pm@LAUS DEO, I bought a Prius to deprive a liberal of obeying the Al Gore commandment, “Thou Shalt Own A Hybrid.”
Report Post »burned at edges
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:42pmI agree. Prius is a Great car! Turned my Expedition in for one and the gas savings paid for the car payment. Then I bought a second one. I drove a focus and new someone who had one. Gutless peddle mobile that broke down alot. Priced out a Cheap Cheap $16,000 car to compare to prius…but…you want 4 doors? cha ching…you want cruise control? cha ching…you want automatic transmission? cha ching…you want power windows? cha ching. Now it cost more than the prius, with worse gas milage and less pickup (and probably less reliable). I have no doubt in my choice.
Rather pay our STAUNCH ally the Japanese than the Saudi’s or the UNIONS!
Report Post »huntinwabbits
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 9:33amI agree with this 100%. My wife and I bought the Prius C almost a month ago. The car’s base price is under 19k. A fully loaded top of the line is just over 24k. We average between 60-70mpg in the city and have reach 87mpg at one point. We are not “green” people either. We really don’t care. All we cared about is that the money we save in gas makes the payment for the car. So instead of having a car that barely ran, we traded for a brand new car and aren’t paying extra for it. The article is right about cars like the volt and leaf. For us it would have taken 26 years to break even on the leaf and that didn’t include the cost of a new battery ever. The Prius tho isn’t a bad car. I remember when my brother went to look at a Honda Civic. It’s base price was cheap but was literally some seats and a frame. No a/c, no power anything. In general I could agree that a lot of hybrids are not worth it. The Prius tho, was one car well worth it in my opinion. Plus it completely throws liberal minds in a loop when a gun-loving republican steps out of one. That alone is well worth the price
Report Post »smileynh
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 10:12amOr, you could have bought a Corolla for 16k and had 38 mpg for 8 thousand less.
When you’re comparing comparable cars the prius ROI is decades. The prius does not compete with a $30k Camry.
Report Post »iceblast
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:11pmBuy a Good fuel efficient car for $20k. Buy a Hybrid for $26k or more. Take the $6k from the Hybrid and buy gas with it. $6k at $4 a gallon of gas, gets you 1500 gallons. My Honda gets 31mpg in the city. That’s 46500 miles. That’s 115 fill ups. I’ve had my Honda going on 7 years. It only has 39400 miles on it. I could get another year on gas, that’s 8 years for the same cost of a hybrid, you could say that my gas was basically free for 8 years.
Don’t forget, with a hybrid, you don’t just pay for gas, you may have to pay for electricity too. If the price of gas goes up, so does the price of electricity. Plus, if your battery goes bad, it can cost upwards to $10k to replace it in some hybrids, and they say 6 to 10 years is the life of a battery. $3k is not cheap, $10k is crazy. take $3k in gas. 750 gallons. $10k is 2500 gallons. That’s 23250 to 77500 miles. You could of had.
Sorry, but I don’t see myself buying a over price waste of money called a hybrid, anytime soon.
If the hybrid was the same cost as the $20k car. Then you may save money right off the bat. But in the long run, your still going to pay a lot more for it then the $20k car.
Report Post »cj234
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 7:11pmAlso I haven’t seen to much said about the cost of replacing and disposing of the battery at about $4000 to $5000 a wack!
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:03pmFrom what I’ve been told, it can take up to 20 hours to recharge the battery. One of the neighboring towns now has two charging stations at their municipal lots and they were almost not used at all for the first year. Now they are seeing use, but I have to wonder, who is going to pay for that electricity? Will it be metered? And what happens if there are three cars needed recharging and only two rechargers?
Report Post »GrumpyCat
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 9:56pmAm so sorry you guys are graduates of the MSNBC School Of Factology.
1) Hybrids are never plugged into the electric grid. Is PHEV and EV that sometimes and always (respectively) plug-in.
2) A replacement Prius battery costs $2400. Is about the same size and weight as two pickup truck batteries. Is covered 100% by emissions warranty for minimum 100,000 miles or 8 years in most states, in others its 150,000 miles or 10 years. Low mileage traction batteries from the salvage yard go for $400 to $700 and the hardest part about changing is bending over to reach behind the back seat.
3) $5000 in options is widely common practice. The fool JBL sound system and navigation system in my Prius was the worst $5000 option ever. As a motor head and computer geek the Prius hybrid system provides much more amusement than the entertainment electronics.
4) As for the mythical hybrid premium, in 2000 I paid $34k for my new Avalon XLS. In 2007 I paid $27k for my new Prius which I like much better. The Prius seating position is better. The instruments are better placed. The ride is cheap but the Avalon was so soft it was equally bad. The Avalon’s JBL sounded much better than the Prius JBL. The Avalon’s halogen headlights were better than the Prius HID. But 5 years later I’m not looking to replace the Prius but was actively looking to replace the Avalon after 4.
Commuting my Prius more than doubles the former Avalon’s MPG.
Report Post »helmethead
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:02pmHerein is presented the quintessential difference between liberals and conservatives…liberals do things not because they are effective, not because they get results, not because they accomplish anything, but merely because “it feels like the right thing to do.” Conservatives, on the other hand, want results…is this effective…???…does it actually accomplish anything…???…does it do what is claimed…??? (like save the world perhaps)…well if not, then I’m not spending a dime on it!
Report Post »kegbuna
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 11:49amSort of like the tax incentives that constantly given to companies in order to increase jobs? Take a look at how Christie’s plan is doing. 34 million for 50 jobs, those are “results”
Report Post »FaithfulFriend
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:01pmAbout to buy an ‘05 Altima that gets 32mpg on the highway for less than 8k instead of a 35k hybrid that will be worth near nothing in 7 years when it’s batteries are toast and the technology has advanced exponentially. Might as well save the $27,000.00 difference now because if gas gets to $10 a gallon in the next couple of years we’re riding donkeys everywhere anyway.
Report Post »1TrueOne55
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 7:13pmThey have not told you that the battery range of all that new battery technology is equal to what lead acid batteries got in 1896 when the first battery powered truck got around NYC streets, that would be about 40 miles etc.
Report Post »GrumpyCat
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:03pmYour ignorance is showing.
Hybrid and EV batteries are covered by the mandated EPA emissions warranty for 100,000 miles or 8 years. Some states extend that to 150k/10 years. But even then new traction batteries are only $2400.
Report Post »Beverly Barnum
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:00pmYour article missed one segment of the market:ME. I bought my Prius in 2005 and have loved it for every mile driven. I get 47-55 (up to 63 when I drive really slow) miles per gallon depending on slow or freeway driving, but I mainly love it because it has a hatchback, is small and darts through heavy traffic, has a peppy pickup and is comfortable for the many road trips I go on. I plan to replace it with another one when the expensive battery goes. It has so far provided me with 80 thousand miles of totally repair free and care free driving. Toyota makes a great product. It was inexpensive new, has side air bags, a six platter CD player and I absolutely love the space age dash indicators not to mention my XM radio.
Report Post »GrumpyCat
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:09pmAs a Prius owner you should know your battery is not that expensive at $2400 new, and starting at $400 used. And that regularly driven Prii usually get over 250k miles out of the traction battery.
Report Post »kegbuna
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:54pmIt’s called being an early adopter. The first digital cameras took horrible pictures, were slow, and basically useless when compared to film cameras. However, interest from early adopters allowed the market to grow and innovate and improve its product and now any camera you find someone using is basically a digital camera.
Seems like people forget how the market works when they want to.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:58pmYou forgot to mention that the battery car came out before the combustion engine car and it went about 40 miles. That was over 100 years ago and no improvement. That‘s why it wasn’t accepted by the public. But then again, that was before welfare checks for the lazy.
Report Post »kegbuna
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 9:53amWell, to be fair, I don’t think there was much work done in the field of electric cars from that point until recently. Most all innovation and engineering has gone towards fossil fuel based cars from that period until now, no?
Report Post »Cleats4Feets
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:52pmThe Prius is the way to go if your in the market for a hybird. I love these morons that pay $40,00 for a chevy Volt and thats after the $25,000 Government Rebate. Sad Sad state we are in when the Government spends my money and yours and then picks which car companys will et rebates. Unbelievable!
Report Post »cal_105
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:43pmBut it makes you feel so good about saving the planet. Can we really deny the tree huggers that special moment in their life. It may be all they have.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:42pmI think the Gov’t Plan is… to have Gas Prices over $8… to make Green Cars look Economical… why else Limit our Drilling for Oil and cause Reduced Gasoline Production?
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:37pmIf the government needs to subsidize it …it’s probably not a good idea since it cannot stand on its own.
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:34pmThe reporter said…People who buy this car have a more important issue than the expense…it allows them to get a wonderful feeling they are helping save the earth………..has everyone lost their common sense?
Report Post »stockpicker
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:33pmReally? A third grader without an iphone or video game plugged into his ear could figure it out.
Report Post »Mr Sanders
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:25pmWOW! Who would have thunk it? Again it proves…
GREEN = RED
Batteries last 6 years on the minimum. Recycling them questionable. Cost $3-6K to replace the “heart” of the hybrid. Not good.
Can’t give me double the range of a gas powered car, even 50% better distance, then offering a product that pays me back in 10+ years…. hmm ….. I won’t buy one. I’ll take a diesel or gas sipper first or a pre 1974 to keep my proximity privacy intact.
Report Post »Zorba53
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:24pmWow…imagine that! We keep getting told to buy these pieces of crapola and they cost much more to operate and won’t get you around the block.
Report Post »Karama
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:23pmNo kidding…… All you are doing is trading one fuel source for another. Be it a coal powered plant or a nuke plant. In fact it may cost you more for the people who are using a coal powered source because of the way Obumer is shutting them down and regulating them. Yep saving the planet there good job.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:18pmI have done these calculations before, couldn’t justify buying one. Strange how gas going up a few pennies causes such irrational decisions. Kinda dumb.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:30pmI figure holding on to my 8 year old paid off vehicle .. is the best way to save $$.
Report Post »ginger3350
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 8:13pmNot to mention if all of the coal plants that this administration would like to put out of business, Obama’s words, then where will you get your precious electricity to power your feel-good car? That is a major source of electricity around the country. Maybe rolling brown outs will finally make these people see the light. China doesn’t care a whit about the environment, so they will burn all the coal they want and strip it in the most cost-effective manner. Not the most “environmentally friendly” way. Thereby surpassing us in energy production. Common sense and rational thought; not what makes me feel good. That is how children think.
Report Post »ginge
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 10:28amOur oil and coal and other resources belong to WE THE PEOPLE. The oil and coal are being sold to our enemies on the world market. Why are we accepting global financial and WTO rules?
Report Post »TOMSERVO
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 1:51pm“Strange how gas going up a few pennies causes such irrational decisions.”
Irony alert!!
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:16pmHas anyone checked the towing capacity of a Prius?
Report Post »I’ll save you the trouble: Zero.
huntinwabbits
Posted on April 6, 2012 at 9:44amAs a Prius C owner… you are absolutely correct. However, I didn’t buy my prius to tow. I bought it to drive to and from work without handing over paychecks to the pump. I am a software engineer. I don’t need to tow. The prius has it’s place, as does a high towing capacity car. Most people buying a prius whether liberal or conservative, are not buying the car to haul things around in.
Report Post »djmaine
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:06pmCouple of things here…The horticulturist in the story above “saves plants” and wants to do his part. Well CO2 is plant food FYI.
Report Post »Also, I too was looking to save money with a hybrid but when I did the math I calculated 10-15 years to break even with the prices I was looking at.
For the past few hundred billion years the earth has been enduring climate change. But now that we humans are fixated on this I guess the earth will have to stop it’s habit of continuous climate change.
What a farce.
RightThinking1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:04pmFrom “The New Adventures of Old Christine”:
Report Post »“I can’t be a racist…, I drive a Prius!”
Driving a Prius is a fashion statement, just as driving a Bentley. In both cases, the owner is likely a snob. In the former case, a philosophical snob, in the latter a social snob. Given my druthers, I would prefer to mix with the Bentley owner.
chips1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 7:11pm78′3% of the women polled would rather marry a man with a Woodie than a Prius. (Hee Hee)
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 7:34pmI wanna marry a woman with a Volvo.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:03pmDo I want a vehicle with just one drive train that is in use full time, or do I want two separate drive trains that are each used intermittently, but while the one is in use, the weight of the other gives no benefit? Hmmmm.
Report Post »doomytram
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:01pmGuess what? We already knew that! Oblamer wants all federal bureaucrat’s to have a nothing job, make $169,000/year doing nothing, and drive expensive gas and electric priussy’s
Report Post »christelle
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:52pmI’ve always wondered what happens to your electric bill.
Seems to me the money you save in gas will show in your electric bill
Report Post »HKS
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:26pmI guess the administration thinks since we rank so low in math skills that no one can figure this crap out and we’ll just follow the leader like little sheep. Sadly, the younger generation probably will as they have been subjected to today’s government schools.
Report Post »cj234
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:31pmThat is if you‘re lucky enough to live if a place where you won’t be dealing with rolling black outs! With the coal powered electric plants being shut down there may be a whole new list of problems!
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:32pmIt’s a choice of either wanting to be kicked in the groin or in the behind. We can’t win.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:37pmApparently with some of these hybrids your heating bill will noticeably drop….although ever so briefly.
Report Post »dnewton
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 7:17pmI have heard of separate metering on chargers so they can make up for the gas tax lost to electric cars. Finally, I think there is going to be a per mile charge in addition to the tax on gas. We are already moving toward tolling the Interstate to get additional cash for roads. First they will only toll new lanes but eventually they will toll everything by sending you a bill every time you enter and exit the Interstate.
Report Post »MrSunshine
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:51pmThe only money saving hybrid: Shoeleather!
Report Post »HKS
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:34pmamen.
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:36pmThat‘s fine and dandy if you’re all dressed up and no place to go.
Report Post »ScottG-CO
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 6:40pmDon’t forget bikes! I rather enjoy doing my weekend errands around town on my bike.
Report Post »FloridaFarmGirl
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 4:51pmMost thinking people already knew this! Who in their right mind would buy one of these too expensive cars? That’s the reason Obama and Chu wanted the gas prices to go up on purpose so that their agenda could be fulfilled. Obama thinks people should just take their welfare check, unemployment check, food stamps and whatever they get and pay $40,000 for a new car. Simple, right?
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 5:31pmThey do it to “appear” better than everyone else .. then hop on a private jet and fly across the ocean .. read the book “Hollywood Hypocrites” ;-)
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