Gun Groups to Fight New Obama Regulations in Court
- Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:17pm by
Buck Sexton
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Gun rights advocates said yesterday that they would file lawsuits to block implementation of President Obama’s new firearm regulations. But the Department of Justice has circled the wagons in defense of the restrictions, as Attorney General Holder vowed to “vigorously oppose” efforts to overturn them in court.
A month ago, we at the Blaze told you about Obama’s upcoming executive orders here. Today, Fox News is reporting that those gun restrictions face legal challenges from the National Rifle Association and the National Shooting Sports Foundation.
These two groups are funding separate lawsuits being brought by two Arizona gun stores.They intend to petition a federal judge to block ATF implementation of the gun regulations. According to an advance copy of the industry group’s lawsuit, gun rights advocates will claim that:
“Congress has conferred only limited authority on ATF to require federally-licensed firearms dealers to submit information regarding firearms sales. In this case, ATF’s demand exceeds its authority and is prohibited under federal law.”
The Department of Justice disagrees, citing existing requirements to keep track of firearms sales. DOJ says its enhancements of the existing laws are within executive authority.
The newly imposed requirements are intended to make it more difficult for straw buyers in the U.S. to purchase weapons in bulk and smuggle them to drug cartels in Mexico. This in itself has raised many eyebrows among those who believe in robust 2nd Amendment protections, as Holder’s DOJ has been implicated in operations where federal agents knowingly sold weapons to straw buyers and then allowed the guns to end up in the hands of Mexican drug cartel members. One such weapon was found at the scene of murdered U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
The case may come down to a question of Congressional vs. Presidential authority. Congress passed a law in 1986 codifying that sales of multiple handguns must be recorded by gun dealers.But the new Obama regulations appear to go well beyond that statute, requiring dealers to report on longarms sales to federal authorities. There are also concerns that in compiling information on these weapons sales, federal authorities will have access to the information in a centralized database, which could violate a separate Congressional prohibition.
Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the NRA, sees this as a critical Second Amendment fight. LaPierre said Obama’s executive order regulations are a:
“Blatant attempt by the Obama administration to pursue their gun control agenda through back-door rule-making, and the N.R.A. will fight them every step of the way.”
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Comments (317)
Ironmaan
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:39pmAs I always say ” it’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6″. Tyranny is on the move. Checkout great article on ” rules of tyranny. http://guerillatics.com
Report Post »noahkat
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:43pmSo, we can “sign Obama’s birthday card” electronically today. I wonder how many socialist congrats we can get on that card before the day is out? Anyone signed as Karl Marx or Lenin yet? You can even leave a message…Viva la revolucion!!
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:49pm^____^____^
Tyranny and fascism are already here. People are expecting some shock and awe moment and it will not be like that. It was slowly, quietly walked in.
These reg moves never stays isolated when the regime does this stuff. First its the southern states then “oh we have a problem in this state and that state, we will have to have the regs apply there as well”. Wake up America your “it cant happen here” mentality is happening everyday! http://SavingtheRepublic.com
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:02pmThese laws do not apply to us. Our rights are inalienable. They are not subject to government control.
OH, so sorry Obama. There are 100 million or so privately owned firearms in homes across the nation. We’ll trade them amongst ourselves without your “executive order” having any force.
Report Post »Uncurable wound
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:11pmOh great BOUGHT AND PAID FOR JUDGES
Report Post »Come get some,COWARDS…
mikem1969
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:27pmThe federal government blatently and clearly created the crisis with gun smuggling, and then they use the crisis they created to force new regulations on guns and gun ownership. fight them with everything you have got. You will not take my guns, but I will freely give you what comes out the business end.
Report Post »SgtHenick
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:29pmWhen you pry it outa my cold, dead hand…that’s when you can take it…..ass holes *flips these ass hats the bird*
Report Post »american1st
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:36pmhttp://gunowners.org/can-our-gun-rights-survive-boehner-and-reids-new-super-congress.htm
Report Post »the NRA better fight this too!!
more proof the LEFTIST‘S and RINOS in our government don’t want a representative republic
staggerlee32
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:43pmGo get them NRA!
Report Post »Bloody Sam
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:37pm“The Department of Justice disagrees, citing existing requirements to keep track of firearms sales. DOJ says its enhancements of the existing laws are within executive authority.”
HA! But Arizona is WAAAAYYYY out of line when it passes legislation to enhance existing (and unenforced) federal immigration law. Nice double standard there Mr. Holder. You ass hat.
Report Post »Son_of_Liberty
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:42pm“No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” Thomas Jefferson
3%
Report Post »IntransigentMind
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:36pmWhat part of “shall not be infringed” do these people not understand? Really, it‘s gotten to the point that we don’t need th constitution at all any more. We just need a jail big enough to incarcerate all the politicians who violate it!
Report Post »G3L
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:45pmI am sick of the illegal president and all his illegal appointments. We need to have this guy impeached, arrested and removed from office. Most of his staff need to go also. I have guns, try to take mine. I will not surrender any of them, because a society without weapons is helpless.
Report Post »johnannegalt
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 4:15pmIt’s a step towards taking away guns, as they’ve been doing for years. This is disgusting, they’re waiting for the next national “disaster” or “emergency” to come take your guns like they did during Hurricane Katrina.
Report Post »PelositheGreat
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 4:19pmGhostOfJefferson, private transfer must be stopped to stop the contraban flow. There will be a requirment at some point to transfer through a dealer, or there is no way to stop it.
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 4:41pmRight, we should have no restrictions…hell gun running is just plain old fun, ask ollie north and reagan.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 5:03pmIt amazes me that these exec orders occurred WHILE the scandal was being investigated, and is still being investigated. The executive order is to prevent what they themselves were doing—which given that they were doing it, will do nothing. They can’t even consult Congress. This man and his lot are dictators.
Report Post »frio109
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 5:06pmCam and Company on XM radio ch 12, 2100 to 2400 eastern time. Cam has bee reporting on Operation Fast and Furious for months. Obama’s illegal plan to blame violence in Mexico on US gun dealers. There by giving him excuse for more gun laws. It is time to vote Obama out.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 5:28pmYes! Challenge it in court, but choose the court wisely. Obama needs to be reprimanded or censured by Congress for trying to make laws by executive order and this needs to stop! Obama needs to remember he is in the wrong branch of government to be making laws.
Report Post »Question to anyone out there, is a law, made by executive order, enforceable? Obama has made 800 some-odd regulations and rules, by executive order, in July alone.
I always thought, that a law has to be voted on by Congress, then Senate, then signed by the president. Obama is not following the rules, so I don’t think they could possibly be laws, or be enforceable.
wildbill_b
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 6:25pmAnonymous T. Irrelevant
Question to anyone out there, is a law, made by executive order, enforceable?
Email me and I will provide all the information you could want. They don’t seem to post it here.
Report Post »Wildbill_b@hotmail.com
cloudsofwar
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 6:28pmOBAMA is watching YOU.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 9:21pmI see the people here are trying to make this in gun rights issue for Americans. Sorry, it’s not. The lead-in somehow missed the fact, but I’m happy to give them to you: ” the Obama administration announced Monday that they are asking gun dealers in four border states to report when they sell two or more semi-automatic weapons to an individual in a period of five business days.”
Google it if want, but the vast majority of guns -between 70% and 95% – used by the drug cartels to murder people, including Americans, originate in the US. I‘d post link but I think I’m denied that priviledge, at least on this issue.
I have no problem with gun ownership. But you guy are taking on the wrong cause here. There are some gun shops who are making a fortune selling semi-automatic weapon, over and over to to the same people who are selling those to the drug cartels, who are killing thousands of people yearly if not monthly.
Yeah, sure, this is such travesity asking people selling guns on the border with Mexico to report if the are selling semi-automatic weapons over and over to the same guy. These guys have blood on their hands, American and Mexican. Again the TP defends people who knowingly are profiting from death and carnage. For profit.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 9:57pmGhostOfJefferson, you got your fact wrong, way wrong (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/12/AR2010121202663.html), but I couldn’t reply. Too bad. But maybe I can reply to this, or maybe I can’t!
Report Post »v-vet1968
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 10:19pmits time to throw this pile of crap out with rest of the dirt bags I call reblubcrats.
Report Post »naed5048
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:03amwhat good do the rescriction do when it’s the government breacking the exiting laws in place
Report Post »markdido
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:58am@Ginsberg
“Right, we should have no restrictions…hell gun running is just plain old fun, ask ollie north and reagan.”
The only ones running guns across the border recently is the BATFE and DOJ.
Report Post »ginsberg
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 6:13amMarkdido…the guns were sold so the could be tracked I believe, however even if they were not, who cares right, there is no constitutional amendment against the government owning and selling guns. Remember people on this site believe parents who’s children die because they found their guns should not have their gun rights infringed apon. You cant have it both ways sorry baggers.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 6:23amjust say no to obama’s exc orders.
Report Post »Marcobob69
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:05amIt’s part of the agenda, DISARM the citizens! Keep saying 2nd amendment, 2nd amendment!!
Report Post »hawgnavvet51
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:48pmobama the king seems to pass out executive orders like his hot air. he seems to forget that there are two other branches of government. i predict he will fail in as what he is doing is unconstitutional. this proves he is clueless idiot. look how he tried to follow his gun weapon sting operation. failed!!!! and has ended up gettin alot of people killed on the mexican side, including our officers. again proving he is an idiot. this alone should be grounds for impeachment. what an embarassment he is.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:38pmJust got my RIFLEMAN magazine today. Thanks, NRA!
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:54pmHave you ever read America’s 1st Freedom magazine? it’s also put out by the N.R.A. .
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 5:40pmNo, but I DO read Guns and Patriots newsletter every week. The NRA has made some decisions I don’t agree with, so I don’t want to to have anything to do with them anymore.
Report Post »I support local and State gun organizations, like OhioCCW.org. We are getting there. My local State Rep. and the Governor are making it easier to carry in Ohio, without being harrassed.
http://www.ohioccw.org
cloudsofwar
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 6:34pmI’m the NRA, if your not a member join TODAY. 877-672-2000 for membership inquires.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:45am@Anonymous:
That’s why I sent back my membership. I cannot justify supporting an organization that supported NFA ‘34, GCA ‘68, and the machine gun travesty in ‘86.
“It could have been much worse if we were not in there fighting for the rights of sportsmen” holds no water — the Second Amendment was not MEANT to protect the rights of the People to keep and bear SPORTING arms, but rather to secure to the People the right to keep and bear the arms common to the soldiery.
This means, it should be COMMON for American citizens to keep and bear fully-auto and select-fire rifles — AKs, M16s, and what have you.
NRA is NOT your friend. If they’re really, truly fighting this, then hey, welcome to the fight. But I suspect they’ll turn on Second Amendment supporters, dramatically, and at the very last moment, and proclaim that things could have been “much worse” if the NRA wasn’t there to fight for the rights of gun owners.
That is their history. Sad, but true.
GOA and JPFO are much more suitable national organizations to support.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:38pmWow- so US citizens are to pay for the governments idiotic program fast & furious which put thousands of guns into the hands of thugs. Anyone else think that perhaps that was the point for fast and furious in the first place? I really don’t want to be paranoid, but it sure seems weird that the government would launch such a program, and then when caught, can’t explain WHO in the white house signed-off on it. AND now, because of it, the government feels it necessary to enact aggressive restrictions towards a group of people (the average JO) who had nothing at all to do with the stupid program. If this is the case, there really aren‘t any boundaries that the government can’t and won’t breech. Create a disaster so they can enact restrictions against freedoms that are detrimental to their objective.
Report Post »Mike N
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:52pmI’m more interested in hearing from those who really believe that the Fast and Furious operation was completely unrelated to these rules (note that they are not law . . . they are merely policy, and not legally binding).
Got a reply ENCINOM?
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:00pmnever let a crisis go to waste….or a disaster….if you don’t have one, make one
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:22pmYou have to be smoking something to think that these two events are not connected.
Report Post »danfinrud
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:01pmIt just a Government program that is being used to restrict the Rights of US Citizens to own guns. I think the whole reason they had that program was to try to make these new rules. The government figures give criminals guns and we can take it from law abiding citizens. One step at a time.
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:39pmThe Government has been doing this for a long time! Just another tyranny exposed.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 5:08pmExactly—they aren’t even decent enough to let the scandal settle in the dust yet. It is still ongoing and they are on the hook for it, but their consituency and idiot congresscritter followers will never hold them responsible for it, so why do they do it? It is an extra hoorah for Obama to blatantly flip us off while he turns into a dictator. The brazenness of this man has reached new heights.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:38pmUnderstand the code phrase Holder is issuing there in “Vigorously opposing” these suits.
That usually is a warning to those filing the suits they will be facing criminal indictments on trumped up charges of law breaking if they continue on this path; along with political motivated slandering and intimidation, along with the loss of all business licences, tax fraud investigations, and anything the DOJ and the administration will be able to throw at them.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:55pm“That usually is a warning to those filing the suits they will be facing criminal indictments on trumped up charges of law breaking if they continue on this path”
I’m curious to learn more about this? Could you point out some other cases where the NRA filed lawsuits and then were imprisoned on false or trumped up charges?
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:07pmI agree I could’nt trust this cat and his ATF less !
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:47pm@Locked — look to the government itself that is constantly challenging the rights of the nations very own citizens to own guns and to self defense; to the intimidation tactics against businesses by the unions who support Obama and nothing gets done with; cases of voter intimidation ordered to be dropped based on ethnic and political correctness lines…and so forth.
From what I have seen and read on the Project Fast and Furious alone, the gun store owners were ORDERED to proceed with the sales; and on many radio shows where some have been interviewd for their side of the stories, they were told to complete the sales or face the closures of their businesses AND be charged with obstruction of justice.
THAT alone, is criminal culpability of the store owners; and the fact remains they may be charged with the selling of the firearms anyway if it is deemed expedient to use them as a scapegoat.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:48pm@The Hawk — agreed, the POTUS and the corruption in the administraton is darker and darker the more we expose it and bring it into the sanitizing sunshine for all to see.
Report Post »Mary Just
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:37pmDid you notice our worthless Congress did not step in and say “laws are not by decree but come from the 2 houses of Congress then possibly signed by the office of the President”. The Republicans will not be the ones to save us if it is still possible to saved.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:53amAh, it’s even worse than that!
The Congress “wrote” the legislation, in the first place! Not only did they not stand up against this, THEY WERE COMPLICIT!
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:54amAh… got my wires crossed… I was thinking of the Super Congress horror.
But, I‘ll bet we’ll see gun control legislation coming out of that august body pretty soon.
Report Post »lynnissmart
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:35pmThis guy has done everything in his power and beyond his power to destroy the American way of life…..don’t we have enough on him for impeachment????? and that Erica is just a puppet…..he should be investigated!!! I hope a whistleblower from the Justice Dept. comes forward with all the corruption that must go on there!
Report Post »Unstable Phenomenon
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:01pm@Lynnissmart….I agree with everything you said, and I think this has been tried before..let me think….oh yes that’s right….the communist in Russia did it to control their people…oh yea the brown shirts back in Germany WWII. When they rounded up all of their people who opposed having their personal weapons taken away…and of course resisting the dictatorship being forced upon the German people by Adolph Hitler.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:11pmWho the hell would impeach him, Holder is his butt buddy. If we ever take power back, the first thing we should is make AG an elected office that runs every year or 2 at the most, to take some of the political games out of it.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:50amImpeachment is the duty of the House of Representatives.
You know, those tea baggers who just sold us out on the debt deal and have helped to put in place a Super-Congress.
By “tea ******”, I don’t mean the actual Tea Party types, who voted against this abomination. I really and truly mean “tea baggers”.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:35pmFight on NRA
Report Post »tarbush
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 4:33pmJOINING THE NRA TODAY. Had held off because I didn’t want to be on their member list when the administration caries out their putsch since they wil most likely attack nra hq as part of their kenetic action. I can no longer stand by idle so I will join.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:51amMore like, “Welcome to the fight, NRA. About time you showed up. Now, please don’t go and stab gun owners in the back AGAIN. Be in it to win it, or just go home.”
Report Post »IAMMADDOG
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:34pmWant to stop guns from going to Mexican drug cartels? Get rid of Obama and his whole administration. Simple as that.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:33pmThe lead-in is a little vague. From TPM: “Amid ongoing probes of the ATF Fast and Furious scandal, the Obama administration announced Monday that they are asking gun dealers in four border states to report when they sell two or more semi-automatic weapons to an individual in a period of five business days.”
Guns don’t kill people, drug cartels kill people with semi-automatic weapons bought in the US. The NRA will probably get a big donation from the drug runners this year.
Report Post »dwh320
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:39pmIt was the OBAMA DOJ that SOLD the drug dealers those guns… just like all Progressives you screw with the facts and twist the truth. Obama will without a doubt get large campaign donations from the drug dealers. Why you might ask? Simple I will tell you… It is because of Obama they are so well armed and not bothered by law enforcement in their smuggling activities. Obama is the GOLDEN GOOSE to the drug dealers.
Report Post »liberalescheisskopf
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:40pmGeorge Soros is that you? It’s a little hard to tell from your mug-shot.
Report Post »1chancey1
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:46pmJZS – I think this is what you meant to say
Guns don’t kill people, drug cartels kill people with semi-automatic weapons bought in the US that the ATF allowed and endorsed.
Report Post »DNoyce
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:47pmThe only reason the drug runners got the guns in the first place is because Obama knowingly sold guns to them! If the cartels give to the NRA this year it is a good thing. Last three years they must have given to Obama. Obama needed a reason to implement his restrictions but got caught. Our government is so corrupt, thank God for the 2nd ammendment so we will be able to fight off the federal usurpers when they try to enforce dictator Obama’s take over of the government!
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:03pmThink what would happen if gun shops in the south, self regulated, and had a policy of not selling to people who have very little english, and look hispanic, or ‘foreign’?
I’m sure that would go over really well!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:11pmJZS, that has to be the single silliest thing you’ve ever written. It defies logic and it defies any knowledge or experience with how central and south America works (as well as Mexico, which is North America technically).
I’ll break it down for you. You can by stamp metal fully automatic machine guns outside of the U.S. for pennies on the dollar that you’d get them here. Cheaper even than our semi-autos. Now if you were a smart drug dealer, would you buy super expensive semi-autos from across the border for $400 to $1200 a piece, or would you go down to your southern nations, or even your own cartels, and buy Uzis for $100 each? Simple economics gives us the answer. The infamous “operation” set up by our very own BATFE was a set up to help you think that you’re doing anything except lying.
Good gravy man, what kind of political belief system requires a person to continually sell propaganda and engage in lies and deception day after day? It certainly cannot be one aiming to do good for human beings.
Report Post »flagkeeper
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:05pmYou mean if the borders were secure, then not only could we keep drug cartels from coming across to buy our guns (that are not sold by the ATF), but we could also keep our guns from going back across thiers??? BUT that would imply that the FEW enumerated powers granted to the FG under The Constitution were enough to protect us without violating our rights… Blasphemy!
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:08pmJust think. If we had a secure border that would not happen. Now would it, JZS? The Military Industrial Complex ( the Global Elite ) does not want the Mexico / U.S. border. That is why about 95% of ALL our politicians that work for THEM, not THE PEOPLE, do not enforce the security of our border. They do just enough to Appease us. The NWO want it listed as it is on the AGENDA 21 map !!! It is the “124 mile International zone of cooperation”. “The La Paz sidebar agreement of NAFTA”. Or my favorite, “Border 21”.
Report Post »corsair18
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:50amJZS I have been following this since it first broke and anyone who has followed it knows the restrictions are meant to apply to these border states only….for now. But we know it will NEVER stop there. Not with this Imperial President. As for the stats about US guns in Mexico they are crap. They try to say that machine guns and RPGs are bought at gun shows and gun stores. Try going in and buying those things…see how far you can get. It was gun store owners who rang alarm bells when suspicious buyers wanted to buy guns. And it was Holder’s Justice Dept. that told them to sell them (via the ATF) . Then they have the gall to accuse these same owners of GUN RUNNING!?! You sir are an idiot.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:33pm.
I wonder just how many in law enforcement are really looking forward to the day they are told to try and disarm us?…..
Will they follow orders and cause the streets of America to run red? Or come to their senses and arrest the Obama Adminastration……………………….
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:42pmIsn’t that called a cou de ta? Now that’s a term I never thought I would hear mentioned in the same sentence referencing the US.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:48pm.
Report Post »Well it is, What it is sad to say…………….
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:18pmcoups d’estats
Report Post »:)
rflussier
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:20pmCoup d’Etat. And that means the overthrow of the current gov’t by another group.
What was implyed by having law enforcement arrest those trying to disarm citizens is called “upholding the Constitution of the United States and the oaths they’ve all taken to that constitution.”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:24pmd’etats (dang it! lol)
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:22pmThere are a lot of Oath Keepers. The Global elite know this.
Report Post »They have taken counter-measures.
One reason for Obama’s call for a “Civilian Army”. Only Obama’s Useful-idiots would join such a force.
He wants a lot of Socialists in the streets to back his communist regime when the time comes.
But we all know he is just a “puppet”.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:34pmCoup d’Etat ? French. nice.
Report Post »Our Founding Fathers called it our DUTY.
refer to something called the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE !!!
under the “dereliction of duty” clause we can remove them !!
Everyone’s Minds-eye sees chaos !!!
THIS does not have to be the case.
We simply set a date.
We tell them to be gone at that date, because we are bringing One million TEA party members to see that they leave.
WE WILL DO THIS PEACEFULLY !!!
If they insist on having their bosses‘ Military Industrial Complex’s Soldiers to stop us from removing them, then it would BE ON THEM to have made the situation NON-PEACEFUL !!!
BCNU
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:29pmYES!!! The police/military will fire on fellow citizens……already happening.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/end-game-would-us-policetroops-fire-upon-us-citizens
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/of-course-they-will-fire-on-us-citizens_03042011
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:33pm“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
Report Post »The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.” -Thomas Jefferson
affinnity
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:32pmThe U.S. government sells weapons to Mexican‘s and Muslim’s but complains about U.S. citizens owning the same weapons. What a bunch of Liberal crap.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:38pmSince the 2cd amendment says the rights of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed Can we then imply that the government has no Constitutional protects to keep and bare arms outside of the military. Using liberal interpetation the federal government isn’t allowed to have armed agents.
Report Post »THAT’S OUR RIGHT NOT THEIRS
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:49pmWhat part of “shall not be infringed” or “Inalienable” is open to interpretation?
Report Post »In a warped and distorted liberals mind, yes. But I am referring to someone with an I.Q. over 50, and some basic, formal education.
sWampy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:30pmIt’s lawyer thinking, they think shall and will have 2 different meanings, they think moral and ethical means anything they do to get their client off.
Report Post »elosogrande
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:32pmThe gall of the ATF and our Attorney General to make these statements about needing gun control after intentionally selling thousands of automatic and semi-automatic weapons to drug cartels in Mexico, Guatamala, and who knows where else? What we need is control over a stupid Attorney General and an incompetent ATF.
American have already been killed because of what they did – INTENTIONALLY! Holder and his band of buffoons should be prosecuted and sent to jail for the mess. Selling these weapons to terrorists makes it all the more necessary for all Americans to arm themselves, in order to protect our families from the weapons INTENTIONALLY sold to MS-13 and the drug cartels of Mexico by Holder and his people.
They are god damned fools, and if Obama doesn’t fire them all, and prosecute them as well, it would seem to me that he was in on this fiasco that has left several Americans dead already.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:30pmThe NRA has my money and support. Thanks to Obama and his commies for enforcing my decision to support the NRA.
Report Post »vtxphantom
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:53pmBeen with the NRA for 10 years, even before I owned a gun. The NRA will not cave like the smokers did on taxation. If people do not own guns, they can at least join the NRA. It’s the best $35 you can spend. My 45 is all cleaned up. Have some new hollow points I want to try out!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:13pmHey Phantom.
Reagan tried to dismantle the BATF. The NRA *opposed* him. They also supported the 1968 gun control rulings and said so openly in their magazine(s) at the time. Something to think about.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:02amAnd NFA ‘34.
NRA has been the ENEMY of the People and our right to keep and bear arms for a LONG, LONG TIME.
Report Post »merrygale
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:30pmNothing new here. Just more hypocrisy on the part of the BO admin. Hey, Eric! We’re not the ones selling guns to the enemies. That was you, remember?
Report Post »barbaraw62
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:29pmExecutive order??? You MEAN THE KING has spoken! This is not a law… but Glenn was right… Congress is becoming more and more irrelevant and we are not living under the Constitution… it’s being eroded by EXECUTIVE ORDERS…. BY THE KING AND DICTATOR the O’bam
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:20pmIt doesn’t matter. Neither Congress nor any newly annointed dictator has any power over our individual rights. That‘s why they’re inalienable, they are not revokable by man or man’s laws. They belong to each one of us as individuals. You are free to ignore any laws which deny you your rights, and you can do so with a clear conscious and in the knowledge that disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God.
Slainte.
Report Post »Freebird
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 5:31pm@Ghost
Report Post »Great point, but please explain what we‘re to do when confronted by one of these neurotic law enforcement people I’ve been reading about on THEBLAZE lately. I don‘t think it’s gonna do much good to try to explain our constitutional rights,while these animals are threatening to shoot us in the head.
BillAdams3277
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:29pmWhy don’t you police yourselves, you went around the law on “Operation Fast and Furious”. You ASSCLOWNS!!!!!!!
Report Post »Pigfarmer
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:29pmBehavior displayed by Holder when not held accountable, not only encourages others to follow in like mannor but also tends to take misconduct to the next level thus jeapordizing the freedoms of americans…. Holder must be arrested and held accoutable for his crimes agains liberty…
Once we have new leadership we must hold them accountabele or they will raise their ugly heads again….. Tea party demand justice!!!!!
Report Post »evilhatemonger
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:28pm“The newly imposed requirements are intended to make it more difficult for straw buyers in the U.S. to purchase weapons in bulk and smuggle them to drug cartels in Mexico. ”
Report Post »I thought the ATF was the largest fireams exporter to Mexican Drug Cartels.
1. Govt creates a problem through it’s own incompetance or worse…
2. Govt has solution to the problem it caused, which involves more govt regulations
3. Repeat as needed until Socialist nirvana occurs.
oldguy49
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:31pmdidn’t they also do this with the real estate market…………….
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:04amShh.
You’re giving away the game! Problem/Reaction/Solution, Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis are all in your head! The Hegelian Dialectic must not be taught to the masses!
Report Post »spirited
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:27pmSell –some more– guns to drug cartel killers (and, the middle east).
>Get your own house in order!
Report Post »Geepers
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:26pmOH – so now I see why the latest gun sales to Mexico were allowed to happen so we could create another “crisis” threat that needed big government to step in and save us. GIMME A BREAK!
Report Post »OhSuzieQ
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:04pmGeepers said,
“OH – so now I see why the latest gun sales to Mexico were allowed to happen so we could create another “crisis” threat that needed big government to step in and save us. GIMME A BREAK!”
Geepers, you hit the nail on the head..That’s their plan..
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:25pmLets see how you nimrods fly off the handle with this one!! LOL
Report Post »Brizz
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:35pmNimrod (ˈnɪmrɒd)
— n
Report Post »1. Old Testament Douay spelling: Nemrod a hunter, who was famous for his prowess (Genesis 10:8–9)
2. a person who is dedicated to or skilled in hunting
Psychosis
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:37pmlook!!!!!! a new troll !!!!!!!!
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:45pmBrizz,
Nim·rod noun \ˈnim-ˌräd\
Definition of NIMROD
1: a descendant of Ham represented in Genesis as a mighty hunter and a king of Shinar
2: not capitalized : hunter
3: not capitalized slang : idiot, jerk
Guess which definition I used. :)
Report Post »Brizz
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:57pmJust thought it was ironic to use in the context of the story. Maybe you should expand your lexicon.
Report Post »Brad
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:59pm@ Thomasdaddy, Don’t let your conscience be your guide. It’ll only get you more lost. You are annoying and people don’t like being around you. You must learn to be an be an Upstanding citizen! Because it really must suck to be a downsitting one.
Be careful, as you read this, a link is hooking up to your computer, and you are being tracked. Within 5 minutes, we will know exactly where you are. The ninjas come shortly afterwards. I’d get in a bomb shelter. NOW!!! You know, that whole Vast Right Wing Conspiracy stuff… It’s true…
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:16pmBrizz,
“Just thought it was ironic to use in the context of the story.” It’s sad! I thought you were better than the rest on here! You assumed that I didn’t know the origin of the word, when i was using the popular definition! I’ll give you another shot, because I did see something civil in your earlier comments!
Brad,
Report Post »You and many like you that exhibit no intelligent thought or ability to debate a topic just make it difficult to address! Your comments has nothing to do with the topic, but it it does put you at the top of the “Ignore” list!
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:23pmCalling names really doesn’t make your case, especially when you lack the historical context of the name you’re flinging. My position on this is already stated on the thread. If you care to bring reasoned debate back as an answer then we can have a discussion. If you believe that calling people names makes you cool and neat, well then, don‘t bother to reply you’ll simply be ignored.
I do hope your day gets better and you find something to be happy about to cut that bitterness on display away from your life.
Slainte.
Report Post »Brad
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:25pmThomasdaddy… Ignore? My feelings are really terribly hurt. The idea was for you to just…go away… I could debate you, but your aren’t interested in debate…You just want to come into a Conservative format for the purpose of insulting with your own smarmy Liberal comments…ie: “nimrods”. Don’t tell me you want to debate and then use name calling while you do it.. hypocrite!
Sticks and stones may break our bones? Sticks and stones it is then!
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:31pmghost & brad,
I guess you 2 didn’t see any of my other comments on this thread! I guess it’s just easier to appear as though you want to debate, but that i’m unwilling when there is proof to the contrary on this same thread! Good try!
Report Post »Brad
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:54pmThomasdaddy – “Lets see how you nimrods fly off the handle with this one!! LOL”
You make VERY valid points here… I would agree that the context of your statement is very much in line with the topic…Good job!
Now on topic of Obama’s Liberal agenda to overturn 2nd amendment rights…Since you like name calling I will begin with calling you an “annoying Turd-Burglar” You can’t deny that if he could, he would confiscate guns in America. Everything he does reinforces his Communist up bringing and ideology. Progressives Like Obama do everything they can to chip away our rights, and the way you “chip away” is by placing more and more bureaucracy to handcuff businesses and ordinary citizens from complying with the overbearing unnecessary laws. Reporting, fees, taxes, licenses, red tape are extra constitutional and have one purpose….to take away our God-given rights.
If you think government bureaucracy is such a great idea, I bet you love having your junk fondled by the TSA…
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:22pmBrad,
You chose to respond to that comment because it was easier for you! You didn’t have to use what little grey matter you have to come up with an intelligent retort! let’s not act like that was the only comment of mine on this thread!
“You can’t deny that if he could, he would confiscate guns in America.”
Pure speculation and nonsense! If you are asking me to make a determination based on the FACTS, nothing he has done leads me to believe that he is attempting to confiscate legally owned guns in this country! If you have evidence to the contrary POST IT!
“Progressives Like Obama do everything they can to chip away our rights, and the way you “chip away” is by placing more and more bureaucracy to handcuff businesses and ordinary citizens from complying with the overbearing unnecessary laws.”
Putting someone on the ATF’s radar that is buying numerous assault weapons near the boarder of a country that is committing gun crimes on a frequent basis has no effect on your rights to own or purchase a gun legally in the U.S.! try to spin it as you will, but you have no PROOF!
“Reporting, fees, taxes, licenses, red tape are extra constitutional and have one purpose….to take away our God-given rights.”
It’s a constitutional right, not a “God given right!” Geezz…. If it were easy to buy a gun more people would own them, and probably more of the wrong people!
Not one fact in your entire comment! And your TSA comment, I prefer your mom fon
Report Post »Brad
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:19pmThomasdaddy, The debate doesn’t require FACT as much as it requires LOGIC (something missing on your end), plus the ability to read and research…
The New American says THIS: (Written by Charles Scaliger: Friday, 17 April 2009) “Gun control is off the agenda for now, according to Newsweek. Although the Obama administration is packed with anti-gun stalwarts, from White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Attorney General Eric Holder to President Obama himself, the political will has dwindled to revisit the misnamed “assault weapons ban,” which expired in 2004, or close the so-called “gun show loophole,” whereby firearms can be bought and sold between private individuals without the transaction being registered, to name just two long-standing agenda items of the gun confiscation lobby.”
Here’s another: By Gerard Valentino, Mon, 11/03/08, “Barack Obama – Ideologically Anti-gun”
“Of all the social issues facing America today, few expose a person’s political ideology more definitively than whether someone is anti-gun. That makes Barack Obama’s attempt to fool gun owners by painting himself as a defender of the 2nd Amendment easy to see for what it is – someone trying to lie their way to the presidency. His claim that he won’t work to destroy the right to bear arms also falls flat, not only because of his past record, but on ideological grounds as well.”
He HAS an agenda…are you so blind to not admit the truth? Is there really a Gun
Report Post »Brad
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 3:54pmThomasdaddy I wasn’t really trying hard to come up with anything significant…No real need here. No matter what proof I show of Obama’s ideological intentions…you’ll come up with some excuse to poo poo the ideas. There‘s no convincing people like you because you’re a blind, mindless weasel, and you don’t really want to know the truth.
“You prefer my mom fon”… WHAT??? Now you’re reverting to Yo Mama Jokes? OK… I’ll go there… Yo mama’s so nasty, she made Right Guard turn left.. And I suppose THAT explains your left inclinations.
Report Post »Crusty Thong
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:25pmThank God for the NRA!!
Report Post »I_Hate_Libs
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:24pmJust more of the confused world from Obummer, the man that is tearing down this great country.
The horror of the Democrat mind.
Report Post »randy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:22pmI just renewed my NRA Membership.
Report Post »becker88
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:24pmWill they always be this way?
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:20pmalways trying to find a way to sneak around the law and take our guns away
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:28pmWhere is he trying to take your guns away? He’s asking for stores to notify the government if 1 person buys more than 2 of a certain type of gun, and only in states that border Mexico!! Where the hell did yo get “he’s trying to take my guns away!”? LMAO!!! Unreal! I think you people have a reading comprehension problem!
Report Post »NVFreeMan
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:37pmThomasdaddy:
Apparantly YOU have the reading comprehension problem! Which part of the following do you NOT understand??
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:41pm@thomasdaddy This is just one of the small steps to accomplish a total gun ban. It starts with registration then ends with cinfiscation. look at Poland, Australia and now Ireland. The pattern of behavior tells all. Did you know there was a treaty the UN is trying to push with the support of Hillary Clinton and barack financed by George Soros? This treaty is a “global” gun ban. So for you to act as if alanstigg has mentioned something rediculous, I believe you need to educate yourself more on the topic.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:41pm@THOMADADDY
You have to understand the person that Obama is. He has supported a total handgun ban. He made this clear during interviews. This was news back in 1996. He is an anti-gun advocate. We see these as small steps towards a larger goal. He is anti-gun and we have every reason to suspect his motives. Instead, he should be bringing the ATF scandal to the forefront.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:43pmhttp://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/barack_obama_gun_control.htm
Report Post »randy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 12:48pmOh people, don’t waste your time with this THOMASDADDY idiot troll.
Just hope all your trolls decide on some kind of uniform to wear when
Report Post »the civil war starts in this country so we can pick you out in a crowd.
Probably a Purple SEIU t shirt
markitech
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:10pm@ThomasDaddy
Report Post »Governments do not ask; that implies a choice. Ultimately all government action is backed by the barrel of a gun.
thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:10pmNVFreeMan,
LMAO!! You only further proved my point! You and many of your cohorts do not posess the ability to read and comprehend plain english! Where is Obama trying to take your guns???
JLGunner,
I was with you up until you sited a chain email as if it were fact! Since 90% of your comment was intelligent and nonconfrontational, i’ll just direct you to the truth and leave it at that!
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/international-gun-ban-treaty/
TX45,
Report Post »“He has supported a total handgun ban.”
Your reason for beleiving this is a questionaire that was said to have been filed out by a staffer.
“The only piece of gun legislation he has signed has been an expansion, not a contraction, of gun owners’ rights: In May, the president signed credit card legislation that included a provision allowing loaded and concealed weapons in national parks.”
fatjack
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:11pmYddadsamoht are you the daddy of the bright kid we all saw yesterday?
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:11pmI vote for Delta Khaki uniforms…..and I agree, do not feed the trolls :)
Report Post »thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:37pmRandy you seem to be another who rather call me a troll that dispute my comments with facts!
Mark,
Report Post »O.K., you’re right! He is mandating that certain stores, due to their proximity to a foreign country that is in the midst of murderous strife notify the ATF of any individual that buys more that 2 of specific types of guns within a month. Is that tantamount to stripping Americans of their right to bare arms? is it even indicative of Obama’s desire ban guns even thought the only piece of gun legislation he has sign gives more rights to legal gun owners? I’m just trying to find out where the panic is coming from.
Apple Bite
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:42pm@ ThomasDaddy
Report Post »Andrew Traver, is the only answer you need for reasons why Obama is untrustworthy on this issue. Everything else you think Obama isn’t doing to the people of this country, or to the 2nd amendment, is garbage….
thomasdaddy
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:00pmApple,
Report Post »You still haven’t said anything! I know you think you did, but you didn’t say anything! Traver has been the head of the ATF for almost a year, and I still have my guns! Obama was elected in 2008, and I still have my guns! I just don’t see where the paranoia is coming from! Seems to me that everything you THINK Obama IS doing to the 2nd amendment is garbage!
llotus
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 4:31pmThomasdaddy….its called getting your foot in the door. Nip it, nip it in the bud. My money is on you bein a troll. A gnarly one too. Lotus.
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