Gun Sales, Gun Classes in Colo. Skyrocket After ‘Dark Knight’ Shooting
- Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:49am by
Erica Ritz
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Just days after the horrifying events in Aurora, Colorado — where at least twelve people were killed and dozens more injured by what police believe to be a lone gunman — the Denver Post is reporting that background checks for people wanting to buy guns in the state have jumped more than 41% after Friday’s horrific events.
“It’s been insane,” Jake Meyers, an employee at Rocky Mountain Guns and Ammo in Parker, told the Post. He added that Monday was probably “the busiest Monday all year” and that the store’s firearms classes are booked solid for the next three weeks.
“A lot of it is people saying, ‘I didn’t think I needed a gun, but now I do,’” Meyers said. “When it happens in your backyard, people start reassessing — ‘Hey, I go to the movies.’”
The Post continues:
Between Friday and Sunday, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm — a 43 percent increase over the previous Friday through Sunday and a 39 percent jump over those same days on the first weekend of July.
The biggest spike was on Friday, when there were 1,216 checks, a 43 percent increase over the average number for the previous two Fridays.
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Such increases aren’t unusual in the wake of mass shootings.
After a gunman in Tucson killed six people and injured others, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, in 2010, background checks in Arizona jumped 60 percent over the same date one year earlier, according to the FBI.
A similar increase occurred in Virginia after the shootings at Virginia Tech University in 2007.
Though it’s pretty clear how most of America (and now Colorado) feels about defending itself, State Rep. Rhonda Fields (D-Aurora) thinks the state should consider other measures to prevent similar tragedies.
She commented: “I think that’s what the conversation needs to be…I don’t think that to be preventative, we need to provide or have more guns.”
And that’s been a common theme. It didn’t take long after theshooting for those on the left to start calling for increased gun control.
From Current TV’s Bill Press (who said the NRA ought to be called “Murder Incorporated”) to a Jesuit priest who claimed gun control was a “religious issue,” the narrative was clear: stricter gun laws could have prevented the tragedy.
(Related: Read Nanny Bloomberg’s Demand for Full Gun Control)
After it was insinuated that those who defend the Second Amendment are somehow to blame, Rush Limbaugh hit back with the following statement: “Blaming guns for murder is like blaming forks for obesity. Someone misused a gun therefore no one’s allowed to have one…This guy would have found ways to do what he did in that theater whether he could have gotten guns or not.”
A CNS News article asked whether the night would have unfolded the same way if someone else in the theater would have been armed. Would the suspect have been able to shoot dozens of people at random, relatively unhindered, for as long as he did?
It seems Coloradans are answering the question.
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milobendich
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:58amSelling guns to mass murderers can be rewarding to Gun Stores
That seems to be what gun store owners and the NRA are finding. Every time they sell a gun to a mass murderer guns sales and membership goes UP
For example in the last few years we’ve
Ft. Hood,
Columbine,
Tucson,
Virginia Tech,
Capitol Hill massacre,
Brown’s Chicken massacre,
Luby’s massacre,
San Ysidro McDonald’s Massacre,
Beltway sniper attacks,
University of Texas at Austin massacre,
Colorado Springs killings,
Springfield Mall massacre,
Edmond United States Post Office massacre,
Dover massacre, Standard Gravure shooting,
101 California Street shootings,
Long Island Rail Road Massacre,
Red Lake massacre,
Westroads Mall shooting,
Geneva County massacre,
2010 Appomattox shootings,
2011 Grand Rapids, Michigan shooting,
2011 Copley Township, Ohio shooting,
Oikos University shooting
2012 Seattle cafe shooting spree
Result….support for gun ownership goes UP as more and more scared Americans feel the need to protect themselves from other gun owners who choose to use their store bought weapons to randomly target unsuspecting Americans
That just a gold mine for gun dealers.
The tactic isn’t new
Hackers often plant viruses on your computer…then try to sell you a program to remove the virus
The phone company sells services to telephone marketers allowing them to make annoying calls to their customers…. then turn around and sells their customers a service to block telemarkete
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:04amBy your logic, drunk drivers would increase auto sales and/or booze. Actually, you might be suggesting that the car companies would target sales to alcoholics. Yeah, makes total sense.
Report Post »spasm
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:14amHow can we prevent the sale of guns to mass murders then? Oh wait, we can’t, we should just ban all guns that way we are all safer.. OR shoot the Mother Truckers before they amass a body count! Hmmmm. I like the latter of those two options. You can only prevent someone hell bent on killing others by killing them first. Kill, that word..? It seems so violent. I am going to go pet my dogs now…..
Report Post »JRook
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:15am“Blaming guns for murder is like blaming forks for obesity. Someone misused a gun therefore no one’s allowed to have one…This guy would have found ways to do what he did in that theater whether he could have gotten guns or not.” So by Rush’s logic they should still give metal knives and forks on airplanes, cause after all they don’t pose any threat. Blaming the metal knife or fork for terrorism would be similarly incorrect. Not surprising that Rush and the lemming staff here fails to see the context and the logic. There is no reason for anyone to own an assault rifle or at the very least no reason for one to be allowed off a gun range. If limited to a gun that did not fire 50 plus rounds in a magazine the shooter would have been brought down with only half the casualties. That’s the point and all the stock NRA arguments are just that and sound pretty silly to rational folks. But then again I understand their are cowards who feel they need the biggest and baddest gun they can find.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:18amAnd at nearly everyone of these, no one had a gun to stop the murders.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:21amYou left off the biggest one, the cause and effect of the biggest GUN SALES IN HISTORY .. .the election of Barry!
By your logic the NRA and gun stores should be supporting Obama re-election .. it is JUST THE OPPOSITE!
OMG 2012 LIBERTY!
Report Post »Slipstick
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:22amWalk into a gun store. Announce: “Hi, I’m a mass murderer and I want to buy some guns.” See how far you get. The owners of the Lead Valley gun club knew Holmes was a whacko and wouldn’t let him train in their facility.
We need more whacko control, not gun control. Unfortunately, it’s easier to attack the tools being misused than it is to identify and control the mis-users.
There are a lot of people in this country who are desperate and on the edge. Unfortunately, they do not choose to address that desperation, wisely and are hard to identify until they crack and go on a rampage. All we sane ones can do is be vigilant and try be prepared to react if and when we encounter them.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:24amRon Paul’s bill “Audit the Fed goes up for vote today I believe..It passed by Cogressiona majority last month to my understanding.. Here is a former FBI translators story on what she learned being an FBI translator. ..interview by Alex Jones with Sibel Edmonds.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylKWivA3B4M
right-wing-waco
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:25amBased on your ignorant logic…
Report Post »Ban automobiles. (1,000′s die every year using them)
Ban the chemical di-hydrogen mon-oxide. ( 100′s of people die inhaling it) (Oh!, that’s water)
Oh what the hell, ban everything.
thibx
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:26amwhy don’t you do a study on killings in countries that have gun control. it is just as bad or worse.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:31amGun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store
http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:00pmThere are 35 nations that have higher murder per capita rates than the U.S. and most of these nations have much stricter gun laws.
When Holmes kicked into action, killing innocent folks, what would have been the most effective way to stop him? Had a person in the first few rows had a concealed weapons permit, carried something like a .40 cal Glock, taken up a good kneeling position behind a row of seats, and placed a well aimed bullet to the triangular area between his eyes and nose, it would have been a no reflex kill, and the killing spree would have ended.
Let us not forget that Mr Holmes legally purchased his bomb making materials. What if he would have just put the bomb in his care, and drove up next to the theater? Would stricter gun control have worked in stopping this man hell bent on murder? The Oklahoma bombers did not use guns. Neither did the Unabomber.
Check the stats in Australia when they outlawed handguns. Gun violence has continued to grow ever since.
Report Post »CK1911
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:08pm@milobendich-You’re a moron. I suppose that the general contracting industry planned to take down the twin towers in order to increase construction of buildings.
Report Post »Go back to your Ivy League faculty room and leave the rest of us to our guns and religion.
TheFifthColum
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:09pmThe only logical response to your gibberish is “ What a Moron”
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:16pmHey milobendich, where do you live?
Report Post »I could use a new TV, car, jewlery, and hostages. Don’t worry, the cops will protect you since you don’t have a gun… Unless you’re a hypocrite?
Blacksunshine
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:32pm@milobendich
Report Post »Wow, those Evil Gun Stores! I bet you’re highly educated and think you can engineer yourself out of harms way. You can’t! So quit trying to wreck or freedoms that we have fought and died for. What kind of asinine logic is rattling around in that liberal pee brain?
People kill people every day with cars, Knifes, fists, baseball bats, bricks, so let’s blame auto makers, God (your creator), Lowville Slugger, Home Depot and so on. Then lets issue bullet proof vest for every man woman and child. Guess what? We will still have murders, you will accomplish nothing just like Chicago and New York.
Setting deadly booby traps is illegal at that didn’t seem to stop the CO Shooter. Your stupid logic assumes criminals follow the law.By definition they don’t. So when your child is being taken and your wife is being raped and your house robed by criminals with non-registered guns. (Probably stolen) you just sit your lame but down and call 911 and wait, while the rest of us protect or family and property.
ThoreauHD
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:51pmThere wouldn’t be any mass murderer if everyone was armed. Your logic is absent reason.
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:43pmIn all of those situation the POLICE have shown they are UNABLE TO PROTECT CITIZENS, they are only designed to catch the perps EVENTUALLY. If they had chased the shooter out when the first police arrived they could have saved many lives but they don‘t do that and aren’t allowed to do that. If you rely on the cops to save you you’re DEAD!!! We MUST protect ourselves as we se fit per the Constitution.
Report Post »TEA PARTY UNTOUCHABLES!!!!!
colt1860
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:10pmThe theatre was another ‘happy’, ‘safe’, “gun-free” zone. The whole dang liberal city, Aurora, disallowed concealed carry, although the State is Shall Issue. If at least one or two patrons were armed, the crazy gun man might have been stopped. You have a right to defend yourself, and if a private establishment disarms you, they have a responsibility to keep you safe, or protect you from harm, e.g., guards, security measures, etc. Self defense is a natural and private right. Justice Alito stated in Heller, “citizens must be permitted ‘to use [handguns] for the core lawful purpose of self-defense.’” Once my state Maryland goes Shall Issue, I’m staying armed at all times for the purpose of self defense. When in private establishments, I will not disarm myself, unless the owner, or his representative, personally tells me to leave. If a public place or business is a gun-free zone, and provides no adequate security, I will take my money elsewhere.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:20pmjrook said, “There is no reason for anyone to own an assault rifle or at the very least no reason for one to be allowed off a gun range.”
SURE there is. If any nation EVER tries to invade us, we’ll be ready. Switzerland was never invaded by Hitler, one reason being becuase its Citizens were armed with assault rifles. If my home ever gets raided by a bunch pathetic radicals, or a group of gang members, I’ll need something better than my duck hunting shotgun. If ever some revolutionist radicals or militaristic idiots threaten or declare war on my country and neighbours I’ll need more than a 22 bolt action rifle. And finally, I’ll need something more powerful than my six shooter, as a last resort against tyranny.
“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” George Washington
jrook said, “If limited to a gun that did not fire 50 plus rounds in a magazine the shooter would have been brought down with only half the casualties.”
LOL. First off, the Colorado shooter used a semi-auto, NOT an assualt rifle. Second, the shooter could have easily carried more magazines.
Report Post »mrprof
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:18pmLibs NEVER cease! They will lie and bitch and moan forever until they get their way…no amount of logic or rational thought can deter them. Even though we have more guns per capita than ever before, the murder rate is down from about 10 per 100,000 to 4.8 per 100,000 since 1980 – yet libs continue to bleat about gun control.
Since so many libs are asking “Why, oh why, could anyone possibly want a semi-automatic rifle?,” here’s 4:
1) In case of civil unrest (e.g. Katrina or Rodney King riots)
Report Post »2) In the (unlikely) event of foreign invasion
3) In the (somewhat likely) event our government seizes too much power
4) We’re still free in this country, so mind your own damn business
JohnnyMidknight
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:19pm@ Jrook
Nice try there. However, the high capacity drum jammed (which they are common to do) and the shooter was unable to squeeze of many rounds from his rifle. Most damage was inflicted from the shotgun and his two handguns.
Not to mention that citizens should have access to assault rifles. The founding fathers expressed clearly that the right to bear arms was so the masses could revolt against the government should it become oppressive. Why should the government be the only side to have arms? To enforce tyrannical laws and oppression? Doesn’t make sense JRook… especially seeing as the government shows to be more corrupt year after year.
But I digress. The main issue is you are blaming the gun. This guy would have leveled the whole theater (all 16 screens) with a bomb. He was determined. Let alone, gun control only places weapons in criminal and government hands. This leaves the public at the mercy of both parties… Look at Mexico JRook… Oh and those are guns sold to Mexico by Eric Holder too!
You seriously need to be honest and do more research on the subject. But then again, gun control means you can force everyone to your progressive views without opposition by having a central government with complete and total power. That my friend is too dangerous. I am more worried with lunatics (both Democrat and Republican) in the White House than one in a theater.
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 5:02pmTimothy McVeigh killed 168 and injured 800 without firing a shot. I guess if a particular brand of mass murder doesn‘t fit the gun banner’s agenda it doesn’t make the list.
Report Post »Endyr
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 7:02pmyour tin foil hat is leaning a little to the left.
Report Post »jnewbank
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:07pmYou’re an ignorant ***** Milo. The US, believe it or not continues to walk guns covertly into Mexico while Mexico’s *** President declares war on drug cartels and provides no, nada, zilch capability for it’s citizens to protect themselves. Result 60,000+ murdered. Ain’t going to happen here. Why? most of us believe in the rule of law and the right to life which means protecting life even if it means taking the life of some depraved bastard
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confederacyofdunces
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:37pmWhat can I say? You are clearly the stupidest person who has ever graced the internet.
Report Post »Vernon Black
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:22pmEvery place you list, LEGAL gun carry is BANNED! Oops …maybe that has everything to do with it?
Report Post »JesterJay
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 4:15amAre you saying that gun stores plan mass shootings to boost their revinue? That’s the dumbest thing that I have ever heard. I cant even respond.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on July 25, 2012 at 6:21pm.
Report Post »Gun sales spike because people realize two things.
1. The police won’t be there to help you.
2. After the gun ban, only the criminals will have guns.
watashbuddyfriend
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:46amGet your gun, yes, get your guns, and be prepared for the worse to come….
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:53amFriday is the day….. U.N. gun treaty……
I have to ask…….. Think Romney would stand up to the U.N. against their gun treaty if he was currently in Obama’s place?
If you recall; He did sign an assault rifle ban in MA…… just sayin……
Report Post »AmericanStrega
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:57amIt’s all fine and good for people in Colorado to purchase guns and take classes on how to use them. It doesn’t change the fact that that theater was a “gun free” zone. The people of Colorado (and other states) need to make their lawmakers CHANGE the laws on “gun free” zones. If a criminal thinks there might be an armed citizen where he/she would like to rob, rape, or kill that criminal will think twice and move on to someplace that will most likely not have an armed citizen.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:59amNope, Romney folds like a lawn chair. I don‘t know why people can’t seem to see he’s like W but only more liberal.
Report Post »ncgrammie4
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:07pmEven though I have a CC permit, the gun law in my state does not allow CC at an assembly, parade, funeral home, demonstration, place where alcohol is served and consumed, any business that has posted a sign, and all gov’t facilities. Kind of makes it hard to protect yourself in a crowd.
Report Post »smalls
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:54pm@NCGRAMMIE
Are you sure? You might want to check your laws. I am in Colorado, and none of those apply here. Except the govt buildings one. Or if there is a permanent metal detector in place.
Report Post »thibx
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:36ami don’t have one in my home, my son moved out and took all his. i have thought many times of getting me one. especilly with hilliary and oboma trying to take gun control to the un. he gets on tv and says he will protect gun rights HE IS LYING AGAIN and why is homeland security buying up all this stuff.
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:47amIf you live in a state that allows handgun ownership, buy them now with ammo and enroll in courses that teach you how to use them. Attend a shooting range monthly. The State of NJ and other states have voided the 2nd Amendment with approval of the US Supreme Court so we cannot help you yet.
There were six police officers in that theater during the shootings yet none of them did anything to save anyone. The police are not going to save you, the government is not going to save you. You must learn to protect yourself and loved ones.
Report Post »Conservative New Yorker
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:47amPlease go out and get one, your concealed carry license AND training. I don’t ever want to use it (no law-abiding person does), but it is there if I ever need it to protect myself, our home, loved ones and others.
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:50amYou can still buy firearms with a credit card except Bank of America Credit cards. Even if you do not have a gun, you can stock up on 9mm or 12ga ammo for when the time comes and you know deep in you gut that the time is coming.
Report Post »nocalifornia
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:34amWhy is it the left always uses a tragedy like this to push their agenda? Is it because they know that people are not thinking rationally after an incident like this and are running on emotion and fear? Is it because they know this is the only time good people would even consider giving up their God given freedoms for the false sense of safety/security they offer? Or is it the fact most of them are ex ambulance chasers looking to profit (more power and campaign dollars) from a tragedy?
Report Post »Popp40
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:42amI think it has to do with many of them (if not all) being criminal themselves or at least them relating to the criminals.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:51amBecause they know they can dumb down the poor and if they mob people into gated communities and the mob KNOWS that they are unarmed… they’ll be better than any bath salt maniac.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:04amWhat do expect from a group who think guns bad – abortion good?
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:06amI think we need to stop all government grants to students .. that obviously is what is wrong — yes that is sarcasm .. but makes as much sense as these anti-gun people …
Holmes had $26,000 grant for studies
http://content.usatoday.com/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=pensacolanewsjournal&sParam=56444742.story
“University of Colorado officials disclosed Monday that massshooting suspect James Holmes was being paid $26,000 a year for his studies — money that could have financed the cache of firearms, ammunition and explosive devices found in his apartment.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 8:51pm@CatB Was the federal Government, under Obama’s administration, funding Holmes endeavors?
‘He didn’t do that on his own…’ – Obama
Report Post »NineteenEighty4
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:32amI’ve never been too gung-ho about owning a firearm, but shootings like this one happen all too regularly, and for no apparent reason. It really goes to show you that this thing we call “society” is paper thin. We like to think we are civilized, kind and compassionate creatures. But we are merely highly aggressive primates, who happened to become self aware. Society can crumble at a moment’s notice. Also, it is important to realize that the police are not responsible for protecting you. The only legal objective they have is to uphold the law. They don’t necessarily care about you or your survival, if they can even help you at all. When seconds matter, the police are minutes away. Tragedies like these really make you think. If someone threatens to take away your right to life, what can you do if you are not prepared, physically and mentally?
Report Post »HKS
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:38amRegardless of how much paint one smears on the neighborhood, it’s still a jungle and the same laws apply, On personal safety matters, your on your own. The cops can stop by after the fact and write a report to attach to your headstone.
Report Post »WillG
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:30amIf I have said it once I have said it a 1,000 times I would rather have a gun and not need it,than need a gun and not have it. If you don’t own one get one. Learn how to use it properly and safely.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:41amThe last part cannot be stressed enough… my kids are drilled constantly… and people have the gall to actually claim that I am ruining them for allowing them to shoot one… idiots.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:18amThe Second Amendment – Right to Bear Arms. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be INFRINGED.
This is MY RIGHT to OWN and to BEAR ARMS PERIOD!!!!
Report Post »glocker
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:29amPeople are realizing more and more that the Police don’t protect you,in fact the court said so in the DC case of the three women who were repeatedly beaten and raped after they called 911 and nobody showed up. The cops merely take a report. If the Aurora gunman hadn’t wanted to be caught he could have simply walked away,nobody would have connected him to the crime. Your protection is up tp YOU ! Buy a gun (or several) hone your skills and be aware of your surroundings. Don’t be a sheep waiting to be slaughtered. Gun free zones are shooting galleries for thugs.Invest in guns ,ammo and training not more union thugs who taze citizens for sport. Reclaim America before its too late.Gun control is the first step in tyranny. Ever notice how the people who make the laws have armed guards and the people who have to live with the laws dont.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:05amSomeone posted a web page regarding government and gun control and the consequences regarding it.
Some of the results we already know…Nazis Pol Pot Stalin etc but I never knew they were banned from guns… ALL OF THEM were… history WILL repeat itself… Should see it… scary stuff…
http://usgovinfo.about.com/blguntime.htm
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm
http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm
Oh well, I’ll find it….
Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:39amFound it!
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=5D929F4D85DA1BF1A476BE8901E30F2C
Report Post »swamp_donkey
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 4:44pmi can see you chickenhawks now laying on the floor of that theatre peeing your pants and crying like the babies you are
Report Post »TomSawyer
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:28amIn only took the cops 90 sec to get there (very impressive); but the gunman was already finished by that time. Buying a gun for self protection is not unreasonable at all.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:21amJohn Stossel [sp?] once had a show on “gun control” and one guy made one of the best statements about leaving it up to the police to protect you. Paraphrased, he said that you can give up your right to defend yourself and place it in the hands of local law enforcement. And when they come to your house, they will outline your dead body and photograph it for their case gathering.
As I see it, the theater is partially responsible for the number of deaths and injuries that happened there. Having posted “Gun Free Zones” obviously does NOTHING but create a tightly packed group of statistics bowing at the whims of a lunatic. . . or lunatics. THAT is how they [criminals/lunitics] want people.
Law abiding citizens probably left their sidearms in their cars to abide the sign [though it isn't necessarily criminal to carry into a place with such posted signs]. Carry anyway. It is better to have them say “leave and never come back” [even if they NOTICE your carry gun] than to be another dead or severely wounded victim.
Report Post »Slipstick
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:13amCouldn’t agree more. When I leave my home, my right hip is ‘heavy.’
Report Post »ginger100
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:20amDeputize every citizen that passes a background check
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:19amthe CO massacre actually hurt obama’s plan to disarm America, didn’t it. even MORE people are buying guns to protect themselves… and taking classes to make sure they know how to use it. once they are armed, it’s going to impossible for obama or the UN to disarm any of them. from a city’s tragedy came a national awakening.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:16amFinally, something positive coming out of this mess…
Report Post »Penn
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:13amIf open carry were allowed nationwide, what do you think would happen to the number of violent crimes. Only a moron with a deathwish would “start something”. Caveat. No one should be allowed to carry a gun or even own one without taking a certified safety course. There are plenty of quality courses out there. Check out http://www.frontsight.com
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:31amNo one should be allowed to carry a gun or even own one without taking a certified safety course..
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Totally disagree.. !
That would be a ‘regulation’ and More regulation is NOT THE WAY..
I don’t want some Government bureaucrat… dictating anything..
I would word it …
Report Post »‘is it highly recommended for people to take a course’
NOT MANDATORY…
Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:50amI think if you want to open carry you should. Your right as far as I’m concerned. However, there are tactical disadvantages to open carry. If I’m a gunman looking to shoot up a McDonalds, I’m casing and scouting the situation before I go all “Pulp Fiction”. If I see a dude with a hog on his side I can seize the initiative. I can take him by surprise (get the drop on him). However, if I‘m concealed then would be criminals can’t mark me from anyone else…I have the element of surprise. Also, open carry has a problem too when it comes to criminals trying to take your gun. Cops go through intense training to prevent this from happening and even still it is hard to defend. Criminals can‘t take what they don’t know you have.
I get the show of force idea but I would just say that the application of force is easier from a concealed position. My two cents.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:00pmKinda like the guns we put guns into dropouts hands and give them a badge…..uh…. I mean cops hands?
There is no such thing as cops using excessive force or anything is there?…..
The individual should be allowed the right to defend itself period!
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:03pm@Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve: Agreed. Not concealing takes away the most effective element of surprise which can be the difference between life and death.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:50pmNo one should be allowed to carry a gun or even own one without taking a certified safety course.
Unless we enact into law what Switzerland has, the answer is a big HELL NO!
Always point the gun in a safe direction.
Keep your finger of the trigger, until ready to shoot.
Know if the gun is loaded, or unloaded.
Know what’s your target, and beyond it.
Class dismissed. Anything else is just target practice.
Any other questions? READ THE DARN GUN MANUAL!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 2:57pmWhile taking a training class may be very beneficial, it shouldn’t be required by the state. Self defense, unlike driving a motor vehicle, is not a privilege, but a natural and fundamental right. This right is so basic and necessary, that we, as a People, must protect and preserveit ourselves, without Big Government interference.
I’m all for learning to properly use guns. I’ve taken a few courses myself. However, Marxists and Progressives believe the Government must take care of us and protects us. Libertarians and Conservatives believe that individuals and families are responsible for their own actions, and have every right and duty to govern themselves.
I’m fine with schools, parents, teachers, associations, etc. educating and training young children, or anyone else, in the safe and proper use of firearms, so as long as the federal and state Government keeps its nose out of it.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 4:27pmOops…
I was quoting the user Penn, HE (not me) said, “No one should be allowed to carry a gun or even own one without taking a certified safety course.”
My response is:
Unless we enact into law what Switzerland has, the answer is a big HELL NO!
Report Post »patriotic pony
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:12amI think most of us have put ourselves in a what would I have done situation. My question is, with ballistic helmet, neck covering and vest, how would we stop this guy? I know there are people out there that would know the answer.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:23amHit a guy with a .45 two or three times in the chest and I don‘t care what he’s wearing, he’s going to notice you. Then he’s going to look at you. Then he’s going to see you aiming at his face…
Practice. Practice. Practice.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:27amPelvis shot.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:49amThigh near the crotch shot, not direct… vital arteries there…
Wife says shoot the knee caps…
I guess whatever areas are left that are high in nerves so that they go into shock but I’m betting the fastest blood loss would be the safest way to put them disoriented and into shock especially if they are all doped up on God knows what.
BECAUSE… if they are all doped up you have two options to distract them
1.) Cut off their air… I can personally attest to watching people being pummeled and not being phased and then seconds after a choke hold see them fall on the ground in panicked tears… but if they are shooting off 100 round drums… probably not interested in attempting to approach to make a choke hold.
2.) Have them start to pass out… via air or blood loss cutoff
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:56amDon’t shoot him in the armor. Even if you did shoot him in the armor he’s going to react. It hurts like a motha’. Furthermore, it’s instinct. You don’t just stand there and absorb rounds. He’d go down, even if only to collect himself. You’d have your window of opportunity.
The problem was the gas. To anybody who’s trained with CS, it is nearly impossible to be combat effective in a gas chamber. That being said, we don’t know the concentration of CS in that room. We trained with it and got gassed so many times that we started to not be able to tell gas from smoke. We’d be in our positions saying to each other “is that gas”? Then our noses would start running and we’d say “damn!” as we masked up (albeit too late). Point being, that if it was heavily gassed, making the pistol shot and taking back the initiative would be very difficult. If the gas dispersed enough (high cielings, air circulation, weak grenades) then you could be effective through it.
Report Post »AmericanStrega
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:05amSmith & Wesson Model 500. Although that’s not a practical carry gun. One could always take him out at the knees or don’t shoot until you see the whites of his eyes. (You have to be a really good shot to hit such a small target though).
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:14pmBright light, skill, a large caliber pistol, prayer and perhaps a bit of luck. Without the 2nd amendment the pistol would be removed as a legal solution.
Report Post »smalls
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:47pm@American,
Love your idea…… That is what I carry. I also carry a 32 auto in my front pocket. I am also not a small person. Guarantee the 500 would have gone right through his sissy vest.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:10amThe one area of the economy that’s booming..
I saw this on a t-shirt the other day…
The Second Amendment ..The ORIGINAL PATRIOT ACT ..!
Report Post »Penn
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:46amSawbuck,
Didn’t mean to imply “gubmint” regulation. NRA courses, local gun clubs, Sig Sauer has an academy etc.
Report Post »I don’t want big brother knowing my business either, but anybody who‘s been on a range with an ignorant shooter knwos there are a lot of people with guns that don’t know the first thing about safety.
sawbuck
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:01amI cant believe some people are falling for ‘mandatory
safety classes’ rhetoric ..
I know it sounds great ..but consider what a law like that
would do in the wrong hands of a corrupt government.
They would have the power to dictate WHO was qualified..
Mandatory classes means regulations..
Report Post »and regulations means gun control people..
BOMUSTGO
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:08amThe Liberals expected the opposite to happen. People should be turning their guns in.
Report Post »scrudge
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:25amturn in your firearms …. CITIZENS …. and become a subject….
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:07pm@scrudge: It will be a bad day for many if they ever force this upon us.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:51pm@Meyvn
Report Post »Friday is the U.N. gun treaty Obama and Clinton are supposed to sign.
Will Romney (signed assault rifle ban) or our Congress (always in favor of more government) have the stones to stop it from happening?
Meyvn
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 1:06pm@WakingSheep: Dunno. All we can do is join, fund and volunteer with the NRA to fight it. They are the only entity that fights this kind of Tyranny effectively. It requires people, lots of work, and funds. You can also write your legislators which I encourage you do now.
http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx
Join the NRA now!
http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally.aspx
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:08amSwitzerland REQUIRES its citizens to own guns and they have virtually zero gun crime. Jamaica FORBIDS its citizens to own guns and has a high gun crime rate. I need say no more.
Report Post »meeester
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:40amBBC News | EUROPE | Switzerland and the gun
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm Sep 27, 2001 – Guns are deeply ingrained in Swiss society – but gun crime rates are so low that statistics are not even kept.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html
Jamaica
travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1147.html CRIME: Crime, including violent crime, is a serious problem in Jamaica, … exercise special care after dark, and always avoid areas known for high crime rates.
Murders > per 100,000 people Jamaica 55.2 United States 5.9
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:10pmYes and people who like to throw around gun fatality numbers conveniently do not include Switzerland.
Report Post »willingtoupe
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:04amWe must look within ourselves and remember as Christians, what Jesus told Peter in Matthew Chapter 26 verse 52.
Amen.
Report Post »dublinthewagons
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:04amManditory gun safety courses and concealed carry in all states for anyone over 21 with on criminal record.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:46amAnother one…NO…that is a anti-gun ploy…!
That’s the regulation-wedge- antigun- tactic..
It sound great and it makes perfect sense …
Until a corrupt government thats regulation crazed ..
Gets their hands on it…
And OH LOOK…WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE…!
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:50amAnother one…NO…that is a anti-gun ploy…!
That’s the regulation-wedge- antigun- tactic..
It sound great and it makes perfect sense …
Until a corrupt government thats regulation crazed
get their hand on it…
And OH LOOK…WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE…!
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:58amIt’s the bill of rights…not the bill of you must do’s. Recheck freedom again and come on back.
Report Post »freedomisasfreedomdoes
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:03amOldest story in the books, try to outlaw something and people rush to go out to get it before it happens (U.N. treaty and 2nd Amendment political questioners).
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:01amI believe people are becoming more aware of the fact that they are responsible for their own safety and cannot wait for the authorities to defend them. They (we) are also more aware of the ever present threat to our right, as Americans, to even own guns.
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:24amI agree with you, momrules.
Report Post »Fishmanone
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 5:21pmWell said Momrules!!!!
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:59amThey will take my gun when they pry it from my cold, dead hand!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw
He should have been Regan’s VP instead of George Bush the first.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:56amGood…. Now to pull those signs “Guns Are Not Allowed On These Premises”. That ,and more legal carrying people would help.
Report Post »dublinthewagons
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:06amPull all the signs. Make the crooks scared.
Report Post »msconstrue
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:32ami’ve seen these signs and wondered about them……how can a establishment have a regulation that supercedes federal law? doesn’t this go directly against the second ammendment?
Report Post »AzThunder
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 3:18pm@msconstrue — It‘s their place of business and it’s their decision to allow or deny weapons being allowed. I personally try to avoid those that prohibit weapons.
What I would like to see is the businesses that support the second amendment post signs saying: “Second Amendment Supported Here — barack obama is NOT welcome in this place of business”
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:55amAn armed public is all that stands between their being a victim of tyranny and murder.
Report Post »Only a fool wouldn’t understand that.
EqualJustice
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 10:18amTrust me, they UNDERSTAND that and that’s why the UN wants to DISARM the world! Then who has all the POWER? It’s a slow process, but every chance they get, they push for just a few more regulations.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:54amLove it. Nice Glock in the picture too!
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 9:56amWe have two that look just like it.
Report Post »And we took classes on how to safely use it to protect ourselves and our home.
Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:02amMeh, Glock Schmock. I would prefer to buy American. Smith&Wesson for me.
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