Gunman Shot by Police at UC Berkeley Amid Occupy Demonstrations
- Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:39pm by
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BERKELEY, Calif. (The Blaze/AP) — A day of demonstrations by students and anti-Wall Street activists was disrupted Tuesday when a campus police officer shot a man with a gun about a half-mile from the main protest site at the University of California, Berkeley.
The shooting occurred inside the Haas School of Business as hundreds of demonstrators left an outdoor plaza at the university for a march to demonstrate outside a bank.
Officials did not know if the suspect was part of the Occupy Cal movement, said Ute Frey, a spokeswoman for the university.
“I just hope it wasn’t from the protest or the movement, because that’s not what the movement is about,” said Sadia Saif, a 19-year-old sophomore at UC Berkeley.
University officials said a man carrying a gun was seen by a female staff member in an elevator at the business school after 2 p.m. The staff member called police at 2:17 p.m., saying she saw the man remove the gun from a backpack.
Police said they arrived at 2:19 p.m., and had to locate the suspect in the building. Officers found the suspect in a third-floor computer room where there were at least four students, university officials said.
The suspect raised the gun and was shot by an officer, according to the school. The condition of the 33-year-old suspect was not immediately known. His name was not released.
Dong Hwan Kim, 27, a senior, said he was terrified when he learned of the shooting.
“The shooting, in addition to what’s happening here with the protests, makes the campus feel really tense,” Kim said. “This is a historical moment, but it is also really scary at the same time.”
Protesters descended on the university after ReFund California, a coalition of student groups and university employee unions, called for a campus strike, and protesters marched and rallied to protest banks and budget cuts to higher education.
Earlier in the day, more than 1,000 students, campus employees, faculty and other demonstrators filled an outdoor plaza after many took part in teach-ins. The plaza was covered with banners that read “stop the cuts” and “educate the state.”
“If the only people who can come here in the future are those who have money, it‘s going to hurt everyone’s educational experience,” said Daniel Rodriguez, 28, a graduate student who was conducting an introductory Spanish language class outside.
Bands played on the steps of the plaza, as hundreds of students gathered for a noon-time rally billed as a kickoff for a day of activities that included a speech by UC Berkeley professor and former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert Reich.
Occupy Oakland activists were marching to the campus Tuesday after police cleared a tent city outside Oakland City Hall on Monday amid complaints about safety and sanitation, and arrested 33 people.
Occupy Cal activists said they would try again to establish an encampment Tuesday night, when Reich is scheduled to deliver his speech on class warfare on the steps of Sproul Hall.
On Nov. 9, baton-wielding police clashed with protesters who tried to set up tents and arrested 40 people as the university sought to uphold a campus ban on camping.
UC Berkeley Chancellor Robert Birgeneau launched an investigation into allegations that campus police used excessive force. He said videos of the protests were disturbing, and he plans to grant amnesty to all students who were arrested and cited for attempting to block police from removing the tents.
“The events of last Wednesday are unworthy of us as a university community,” Birgeneau wrote in a letter Monday to the campus.
Oscar Varela, 21, a fifth-year economics major who helped organize Tuesday’s demonstrations, was among the students who tried to block campus police from tearing down the campus encampment.
The Occupy Cal activists planned to vote on re-establishing a camp on campus at 5 p.m. at its general assembly meeting.
“We want to stay here to prove to the regents and state that we are part of this movement and that we want our tuition to go back to what it used to be, which essentially should be free,” Varela said.
UC Berkeley officials were determined Tuesday to avoid a repeat of last week’s violence, said campus spokesman Dan Mogulof.
“We will learn from what happened and do everything that‘s necessary to make sure it doesn’t happen again,” he said.
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Comments (109)
olddog
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 12:01amIt looks very much like a time will come where conservatives will have to take arms against these rioters to protect themselves and the freedom of America..What about our rights to enjoy a park or go to the city without fear? Or we can sit back on our couch while this movement gets larger and they take the government and destroy this country. The financial damage already caused is in the 100′s of millions.. I’m wondering if all this is going to the Soros and obama plan..
Report Post »GhostintheNW
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:37amIt is inevitable. You have until the elections, maybe. Prepare yourself. Stock up. Buy tac gear and ammo. Train your family in the use and care of firearms, as well as self defense. Learn military strategy, and become well versed in squad based tactics. There are undeniable links between the turncoats in office, and the real homegrown terrorists leading this movement. They are committing treason, and no one will report it. WE are going to have to clean up this mess.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:30amThat is exactly what the Stoic-Sophist based Socialists and Communists want you to do. Then they move in with Martial law and contain the entire country under military rule with their dictator at the helm. Once that occurs, the constitution is suspended and all rights for the individual are revoked. We will exist in a communist military state, which is the purpose of this entire event.
However if you hold out until the European double dip recession begins (early 2012) and until the Russia-Iran-Iraq oil pack begins, then the US dollar will drop in value by some 50% or better. The financial shock to the world sill break us free of this Communist lead, OWS October revolution. We should see this emerge over the next 24 months, as the Muslim brotherhood gels the Middle East into a single state. The idea is to Squeeze Saudi into submission which is occurring as we speak.
Russia has been after dominance of all energy resources for some two decades now. It dominates natural gas and Nuclear plutonium, its now out to dominate oil. Once Russia has control of all the energy resources, it controls the countries who depend on them for those resources (entire EU and Asia). China therefore is only as strong as Russia allows it to become. The same is true of the USA. Russia will move to secure Alaska once it secures the Middle East, so it controls the vast majority of the worlds oil resources. With a communist USA, Russia will dominate the entire world.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:50pmNothing but pure evil everywhere, but the occupiers have nothing to do with it, they’re just protesting Wall Street..yeah right….bet a third of them don’t know what Wall St. is.
Check this out…could it be tied to these idiots…sure appears they have the same mentality….vandals broke windows, defecated on an altar, burned a cross on a yard, and spray-painted Nazi signs, the N-word, the F-word and explicit pictures on the houses of worship.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/29780542/detail.html
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:40amDon’t be so stupid. It’s the Blazers here that want everyone on a college campus to be armed for “protection.” Then, suddenly, when there’s gun violence on a campus, it‘s OWS’s fault!
Just another sign of the up-is-down mentality of so many of you folks.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:48amPublicPencilNeck- there is a thing call responsible gun ownership, but you would not differetiate that small would you? Liberals are brain dead.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:50amSure there is Unix, and as much as conservatives tout it, they are bound and determined to dismantle every regulation that enforces that responsibility.
I’m not saying no one should have guns; I‘m saying that you Blazers can’t go blaming gun violence on the “other guys.”
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:22amThe Survivors… will rewrite history to glorify their position!
Report Post »Bigolfascist
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 9:16am“…vandals broke windows, defecated on an altar, burned a cross on a yard, and spray-painted Nazi signs, the N-word, the F-word and explicit pictures on the houses of worship.” Hasn’t this been blamed on the Tea party yet???? I mean, they are so VIOLENT!!!!!
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 9:22amI have been viewing and trolling all the live feeds and chats. There is almost a unanimous concensus for violence. They are calling for a weatherman moment. I hope the justice dept is monitoring this because it is easy for me to get the info. Latest videos from osw are the anonymous mask wearers saying they are going to behead white kids on video as propaganda.
Report Post »Diablo4965
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 11:30am@pubicpencilman, want to talk about blame! does your selective memory remember what the lame stream media was reporting after the Gabriel Giffords tragedy. Has to be a Tea party member or a right wing nut! Do you remember?
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 12:33pmDiablo,
So that’s your defense? Boohoo! The media said Loughner was possibly a Tea Party-er–this justifies all further false accusations and claims from the TP in the name of “balance.”
Don’t be so childish.
Report Post »skitrees
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:09pmYou know – these folks are so hypocritical, it makes me sick. Not only because of all the brand names and the high dollar items, but also because they pretend to be against the banks. How can they be both AGAINST the banks and PATRONS of debt at the same time?! I mean, if the banks are SO evil, why have these hypocrites gone begging to the banks for loans, student loans, credit cards, ATM services, etc., etc., etc.
It’s no different than me protesting fast food, by sitting at McD‘s and eating only McD’s food. It makes no sense.
Report Post »smokie
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:34amThey mistook the banks for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:03pm“..and he plans to grant amnesty to all students who were arrested and cited for attempting to block police from removing the tents..”
Are you freaking kidding me, amnesty. So now you are teaching them there is no consequences for their actions. We need to get this man out of this University, he is a detriment to these kids. I would have kicked everyone of them out of school. Liberals have no guts.
I am afraid if we don’t nip this in the bud soon, all hell is going to break loose and more people will arm themselves and possibly die for something so stupid.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:45am“Are you freaking kidding me, amnesty. So now you are teaching them there is no consequences for their actions. We need to get this man out of this University, he is a detriment to these kids. I would have kicked everyone of them out of school. Liberals have no guts.”
Incorrect comma use.
“there *are no consequences”
Incorrect comma usage and “university” should not be capitalized.
“kicked *every one of”
As far as you being a university chancellor, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Report Post »Slayer
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:56pmDo you know how bad of a disgrace this Occupy movement has become? The movement which the Democrats have decided to hitch their wagon to?
Go and google ‘occupy poop’ and see how many articles come up.
I’ve already done it for you:
https://www.google.com/search?q=occupy+poop&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
THIS is the hill the Democrats have decided to make their stand on.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 12:07amThanks for the articles..you have done your homework.
Report Post »http://www.wsoctv.com/news/29780542/detail.html
May be able to add this one to the list. It is in the Charlotte news and Charlotte, NC is where the DNC is going to be held for the 2012 elections. I would not doubt some of the same supporters as OWS aren’t behind this.
PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:48amHomework? The guy sits around at home and googles “poop”!
Report Post »wbedding
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 10:23amwow, publius…you talk about people sitting around googling poop while you sit at home and troll on about fictitious points from a lib point of view…pot and kettle time here.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 12:22pmYes, you see, but I’m not pretending this is “homework.” I’m not suggesting that I do any important research here–I know full well that this is a bizarre fantasy world you folks have constructed! For me, this is all entertainment.
Report Post »vtxphantom
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:51pmMore blood on obama’s hands. This is what he wants. This is what he needs. Evil has only one purpose.
Report Post »nobull14
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:51pmwho cares if they shot this pimple head !!!!.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:38pmThey want free tuition at whose expense then. Oh yes i forgot, they’re “ENTITLED”
Report Post »Godssailor
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:37pmI thought any kind of gun carry was illegal in California. It’s weird, but it seems like criminals don’t want to obey the laws. They know what the laws are, but they just keep carrying firearms anyway. It‘s almost like they don’t care. I wonder what would happen if a law abiding citizen were faced with a situation where a criminal had a firearm and pointed it at them.
I don’t know about you, but I can’t run faster than a bullet and I know that if was able to call the police, I would be dead by the time they arrived. I guess the law abiding citizens are just gonna have to suck it up and die.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:19pmTechnically, it’s illegal to make arms bearing illegal in Cali.
I say, carry at will. I do all the time. It’s a great feeling.
Why people bow to the authoritarians is beyond me. We have rights, damnit, exercise them with pride!
Report Post »grayling646
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:37pmhey Jeff, are you saying you ignore the law to carry? If that’s the case and you get caught, you‘ll see why people ’bow to authority’.
Report Post »Dalady
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:42pm@ Ghost, I feel ya, we don’t need no stinking permission
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 12:29amUnfortunately excersizing your right to bear arms will more often than not get you gunned down by police. A court case might determine that their law against your bearing arms was unconstitutional later on, but you’ll still be rotting in a box six feet under.
Report Post »Veritas Libertas
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:43am@Ghost, rock on brother!
@Gray, if the firearm was legally purchased and the person carrying it has no criminal background and is not involved in the commission of a crime (i.e. no affiliation with organized crime) the case would be thrown out of court without going to trial. The cases that proceed in court involve more than simple possession and carry. The anti-gun lobby knows it doesn’t serve their interests to pursue a Second Amendment case purely against the “individual” Constitutional right. The recent SCOTUS decisions in the Heller and McDonald cases have made this a non-starter.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:53amGhost,
Report Post »The Supreme Court again and again has upheld limits on free speech when public safety is an issue–from yelling “fire” in a crowded theater to inciting a riot. Why is it so unfathomable that we would also limit the right to bear arms for the same reason. After all, words are just words, but bullets actually kill people.
EqualJustice
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:03amHey pube.. BULLETS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE, GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE… PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!
Report Post »spirit of freedom
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:17amhey Ghost, just remember its only ok to carry illeagaly if the govt “fast and furious” agents give you the weapons and you actually kill an agent with it! then you might want to be carefull. if you carry your own weapon illeagally and get caught it is punishable by death! omg! the insane are running the asylum!
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 9:46amEqualJustice,
So, following that logic, I assume you are perfectly fine with Iran having nuclear weapons. After all, NUCLEAR WEAPONS DON’T KILL PEOPLE; PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!
Report Post »chris.duncan
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 12:16pmpublius, Iranians are the types of people who would use nukes for global terror and senseless violence, kinda like in most places someone who has been jailed repeatedly jailed for armed robbery or some similar idiotic crime cant get a weapon all that easily
so no, using the people kill people logic does NOT include giving nukes to Iran
duh
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 12:30pmAh… I see. But if nuclear weapons still don’t kill people, you should have no problem with them having them, right? The original logic claims that the object has no part in act of murder, but you’ve suggested it does–that‘s why you don’t give them to people who would commit murder!
You’ve already conceeded that we abridge the second amendment rights of people society judges to have a proclivity towards violence, so from there it is just a matter if degree and implimentation. This goes back to my earlier point regarding the limits of a right when considering public safety.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:32pmWell i guess more Hippocrats are buying guns and they are using them on each other, very interesting.
Report Post »elvisroy0000
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:31pmwhy were these protestars indoors and why did the cop not shoot all of them while he was there
Report Post »http://royschapel.blogspot.com/ and is al quiada recruiting them now
elvisroy0000
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:29pmwhat are Ows doing indoors to start with and why didnt the cop just shoot all of them while he was there http://royschapel.blogspot.com/
Report Post »elvisroy0000
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:27pmReply what was the OWS doing in a School to start with how can you do a protest indoors and are they being recruited by al-quida http://royschapel.blogspot.com/
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:23pmWait for it, Wait for it…. 3,2,1 here come the gun control and lib trolls.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:28pmThe 3 people interviewed have foreign sounding names……here comes the xenophobia in 3,2,1…we‘ll see who’s right
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:50pmIf Obummer thinks we would ever give up our arms, especially after this crap, he is totally mistaken.
Report Post »welloddyfriggindah
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:09pmI HOPE the silent majority speaks up, it’s time America. Time to stand for our Constitution, Bill of Rights.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:17pmHey Sadia…………get the hell out of America. We’re sick of you islamofascists.
Report Post »corbecket
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:36pmHey 10thamendment!
Only a liberal/Marxist would be so blatantly xenophobic in their rantings. Rational conservatives DO NOT conduct themselves in such a fashion. I think you’re simply trying to give conservatism a bad name by your antics. Take your trash talk back over to the liberal blogs where you were hatched. It is not appropriate in a civil society.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:23amCorbecket, there was nothing blatantly xenophobic in the The10thAmendment’s statement. Give me one good reason why conservatives ought to be kind to islamofascists, communists and other radical elements, or why they ought to be tolerant to intolerance that these ideologies represent.
You seem to be well marinated by the PC machine.
Report Post »spfoam1
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:06pmThese people don’t have a clue what they are protesting. They are like a flock of pidgeons, where one is startled and takes off, so the rest of them take off. They don’t know why they are flying or where, they just know they are flying.
Report Post »spfoam1
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:10pmoops…pigeons
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:07pmAnd like pigeons, they poop where they want too.
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:05pm~^~v~~^~~v~^~
Only thing that will come out of the occupy lie is escalation into more shooting and killings. These people are dangerous, misguided and angry. Funny the media when nuts when some people showed up at TEA Party events open carrying weapons. I dont recall any shootings at any of these events where people were clearly packing and attacked for it. Occupy they bring guns to USE them not invoke/ exercise the 2A rights.
TEA Party people and conservatives are warned to stay away, let these animals devour each other. Personally I would order a perimeter set up around all occupy events, “arm” police with helmet cams or the VIEVU and let the occupy animals run loose destroying & vandalizing private property, commit assaults etc and do nothing to stop it other than film it for the world to see. Then the cops can upload all the footage themselves since the “World Is Watching”! Show the world and hopefully those still asleep in the US who may side with occupy people who they really are. From there we can easily tie them to democrats, celebrities, special interests, Soros etc etc that have come to their aid. At that point they lose the PR war and become nothing but the joke we all know on a global scale!
Its not about beating them its about letting them hang themselves if you follow me. They want to play these games fine we need to make the rules as it goes along! http://SavingtheRepublic.com
Report Post »George Patton
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:08amI wish you were right but I don’t think the world cares that these people are vile. The cause of liberty and the people who carry its banner have always been a minority in the world.
Report Post »sheerterror
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:02pmI bet Van Jones will be there to give a speak soon on how evil cops are.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:59pm.
Report Post »If he had a Gun, he must be with the TEA Party. Because no good democrate would go around shooting people in the head………..
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:04pmUnless they are part of Obamas thugs, unions, lunatic radicals, progressives, socialists, race haters, and all the lefties and their bands of useful idiots…
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:16pmit was a progressive/marxist who murdered the Democrat Kennedy so that they could put progressive LBJ at the top.
I find it ironic that actual Democrats would support any progressive knowing that they are useless murdering creeps.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:33amThe10thAmendment, the Democrat party has been in sights of leftist radicals for more than half a century–they considered their options and decided that it is the party ripe for sleigh of hand and a gradual takeover. The process is nearly complete. An overwhelming majority of people that would be called half a century ago “classical liberals” are now in the “conservative” camp. There are not many of this kind of people amongst Democrats any more. So, the notion “if the Democrats knew” does not wash.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
Report Post »- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
lodgerat
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:59pmPunditPawn
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:51pm
Simple tyranny of the minority. The silent majority will show their faces in 2012.
From your mouth to God’s ear.
Report Post »God Bless
OlefromMN
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:57pmKeep following this story Blaze and continue to release FACTS as they are known. The OWS crowd has been looking for their Kent State moment and will be trying to capitalize on this.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:51pmThis will happen next spring or summer I think.
Report Post »QHgirl
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:51pmMaybe if California wasn’t offering free education to illegal immigrants, they could afford to offer lower tuition to legal residents. Probably too much common sense in that though.
Report Post »RetUSAFVet
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:59pmCommon sense in California. Non-existant! These are the people who voted for Princess Pelosi et al.
Report Post »Slayer
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:49pm“I just hope it wasn’t from the protest or the movement, because that’s not what the movement is about,” said Sadia Saif, a 19-year-old sophomore at UC Berkeley.
You can bet it WAS CERTAINLY from the occupy movement. More of the peaceful protests they keep telling us about.
Report Post »Has anyone been keeping track of the number of days in a row where the Occupy movement has had a consistent theme of violence? Has there been even one day in the last several weeks where someone associated with the Occupy movement wasn’t assaulted, raped, robbed, or shot?
cayenne
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 10:00pmIslam: the religion of peace
OWS: a peaceful non-violent movement
War is peace. Slavery is freedom. Ignorance is knowledge.
Report Post »Dalady
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:50pm@Cayenne, well said.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 12:33amand….
New York: 10/15/2011 Harassing Police with Accusations of Phony Injuries
Report Post »New York: 10/9/2011 ‘Occupy Wallstreet’ Protesters Steal from Local Businesses
New York: 10/25/2011 Three Men Threatened to Kill 24-Year-Old Occupy Wall Street Protester for Reporting Rape
Baltimore: 10/18/2011 #OccupyBaltimore Discourages Sexual Assault Victims from Contacting Police
Portland: 10/27/2011 Occupy Portland’s Attempt At Wealth Redistribution Ends In Theft
Los Angeles: 10/14/2011 – Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street
10/27/2011 A Death Threat From an Occupy Wall Street Protester
10/27/2011 Anti-Semitic Tweet From Occupier or Sympathizer
Boston: 10/20/2011 Occupy Boston Doesn’t Want Police Involved in Rape
New York: 10/5/2011: Anti-Semitic Occupier Screams About Jews, Israel
New York: 10/4/2011 Occupier Taunts Jewish Man
Boston: 10/2011 Occupiers Block Street
New York: 10/2011 Occupier Tries to Steal Police Officer’s Gun
New York: 10/27/2011 Occupiers Block Traffic, Get Arrested
Oakland: 10/27/2011 Occupiers Throw Garbage at Police
NY: 10/20/2011 #OccupyWallStreet Threatens Businesses, Patrons
NY: 10/14/2011 Violence Breaks Out During #OccupyWallStreet March Toward Stock Exchange
NY: 10/14/2011 Protesters March On Wall Street, Scuffle With Cops
Oakland: 10/19/2011 #OccupyOakland Protesters Threaten Reporter
Oakland: 10/26/2011 Occupiers Scuffle with Police
Oakland: 10/24/2011 Protesters Storm, Vandalize, Sh
scout n ambush
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:44amNow if you posted the news headlines from tea party events for contrast,never mind the media didn’t pay much attention to the tea party rallies so there probably are very few .
Report Post »PaBowHunter
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:48pmStupid is as stupid does.
Report Post »daveposh
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:52pmYou got that right!
Report Post »netmail
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:45pmThe mindset of the people there suggests to me that they better get use to this. It’s only the beginning.
Report Post »PunditPawn
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 9:51pmSimple tyranny of the minority. The silent majority will show their faces in 2012.
Report Post »TheVoice1
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:24pmand vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stand Strong America
Report Post »miling30
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:57pm@punditpawn
Report Post »Why can’t we show our face now? Why sit by idly and watch our country die? What if 2012 is too late? Hell, 2010 was probably too late. Why must we wait to save America? United, we can make a difference now. Where have OUR tea party “protests” gone? If we are a majority, then why can’t we stand up to these injustices now? We can no longer wait. Our time must be now.
Twobyfour
Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:44ammiling30, once you by-pass the foundation of the constitutional electoral process, you are forfeiting any claim to it and giving a carte blanche to other groups/elements to try their own luck. It is quite likely that the damage will be greater than it is today, but I think it can be dealt with and reversed. You need to wait your turn.
Only in case of an attempt to subvert the constitution by suspending elections (or blatant rigging of), then you’d have all the legal instruments accorded by constitution and bill of rights to reverse that and restore them by any means to your disposal.
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