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Gunman’s Former College Instructor: ‘I Was Afraid for My Life’
- Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:37am by
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“I wasn’t too surprised that it was Jerry Loughner. I felt like he was planning something all along – I just didn’t know when he was going to do it and where he was going to do it. Just from what the other students said, and what I experienced in the classroom, I just thank God he did not do anything to us. It is very sad to hear what happened yesterday.”
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Arc
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 11:01amAgain, politically correct attitudes may have interfered with logic. A few examples of how “ politically correct ” has hampered most attempts at a reasonable approach to our public problems
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1. Mental and emotional abuse, as well as physical abuse runs rampant throughout most sectors of society, yet when faced with overwhelming evidence that a problem exists, we hesitate because we may hurt someones feelings ( i.e “…..we must not hurt their fragile psyche.”…..”.It’s not my problem,”….“ Mind your own business”…….” Lets not teach this portion of history, it is much to traumatic for an adolescent”…..( what kind of answer do we get from the instructor as to “why didn‘t they notify the authorities about Loughner’s behavior”?) Is it much to easy to “sue” someone because they “cautioned your child” ? Could you stand the pain of another Tuscon knowing you should have been more vigilant in your watch for signs of trouble. Speak up, speak out, adults should be able to approach a mutual problem without anger or fear of dissention.
2. .Some prosecutors had rather “plea deal” than to call a spade a spade ( they justify plea deals with )……” we didn’t have enough evidence to convict, plus offering and accepting “plea deals” is more economical and by-passes a long court case…….not to mention the number of ” notches on the District Attorny’s record ( he plans on running for political office and many convictions sells better than a “long drawn out judicial process ” Maybe we need to re-visit the “crime and punishment” arena again, scrap the sentencing quidelines and focus a bit more on “punishment” instead of the rehabilitation phase. A criminal should have to “graduate to the rehab phase” Also, the “ cruel and unusual punishment” argument probably doesn’t sound to good to the victims in Tuscon. Isn’t punishment a part of the “penal system” and isn’t a penality suppose to be severe enough to give pause to the criminal mind?
3. Many school districts along with the Board of Education, will allow unqualified teachers, teachers placed in “ in house suspension” and morally corrupt educators to continue with extremely radical approaches to learning with immunity.( Example; One of the largest school systems in the nation will not or cannot fire a unionized teacher for sexual assault because ” it’s much easier to pay them to NOT teach than to battle the teacers union”. Allegedly, one teacher is running a real estate business while in “ suspension” using his laptop and cell phone, plus the system is still paying his salary. Supposedly, its not “ politically correct” to offend the unions.Concerned parents should demand to know precisely what is being taught in our schools with regard to the developement of a civilized society.
4. Time outs, in your room restriction, grounding seem to be the way to go eh??
Report Post »“ Time outs ” without a discussion of the “what, when, where and how, at times are useless.
“ In your room restriction” with unfettered access to TV, cell phone, iPod, loud music is
barely a “teaching moment”
“ grounding ” without discussion only increases animosity.
How about a practical approach to the spirit of competition, the comraderie of teamwork and the feeling of accomplishment and success?
A certificate for participation in an activity or a sport. A TROPHY for the winners in any competition.
Foster good attitudes when talking about teamwork. The feeling of belonging to a group effort
strengthens feelings of acceptance.
Frequent praise for a job well-done, guidance when an effort is made, and “attaboys.attagirls, kudos, applause, a wink and a hug will go a long way in the formation of good, honorable and responsibile relationships
JUST DO IT, Its the MORALY CORRECT thing to do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
seemsew
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:56pmArc, your logic is sound and you have an abundance of common sense. You might want to think about an ofice in DC. I think you are needed there.
Report Post »constable80
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:39amThis professor seems like a strange guy himself.
Report Post »rdk
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:38amIt seems apparent now that Loughner snapped some years ago. Why was he not in a mental institution?
Report Post »callywho
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:34amThis teacher looks nervous, scared, paranoid and disrupted. Wtf? Why is this guy moving about, hopping?
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 11:38amHe is close to the situation and it’s an emotional time for everyone. On top of that, I think he carries guilt that he should not. He did everything right. I hope that he does not become another of the wounded.
Report Post »NUTN2SAY
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:29amIf you read between the lines of what is being said from the pundits of the left….SURE OUR POLITICS ARE CAUSING MUCH FRUSTRATION IN AMERICA, JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT AND TAKE OUR unAMERICAN POLICIES OR ELSE WE’LL BLAME YOU AND YOUR FRUSTRATED VITRIOLIC RHETORIC FOR WHAT EVER ACTS OF VIOLENCE THAT HAPPENS!
Report Post »Carbine1
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:15amOut of the characteristics of the shooter—————How manyt of them fit a CONSERVATIVE. Come THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO. We have a PRESIDENT ELECTED to the office that hangs around with people that blodly profess their admiration for it.
Report Post »Carbine1
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:10amHey I saw this interview and the guy interview was a very very very left wing tuity fruity HIMSELF. Come on dear God Give me a break. INVESTIGATE OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA. HE is the one that doesn’t like B L U E D O G DEMOCRATS. NOT Us.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:08amFunny how the all come out of the woodwork AFTER the fact, the cockroaches!? This kid should have been in a padded cell for a while!
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:26amTypical, and predictable swipes from the loony left…may their lying lips fall off!
Report Post »beenaroundyaknow
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:47amFirst, this guy is not a professor, he‘s an instructor and he’s unqualified to make some of the assumptions about the observations he made. That said, the failure here in part is the higher ed system to deal with these students. i worked at a large university and “free speech” and the rights of the student (whatever they are) are paramount. I saw disturbed kids who had acted out returned to the classroom after “counseling” often by non-professionals because “there’s noting they can do” until the student acts out. This was the reply even after students acted out with violent or anti-social behavior directed at inanimate objects. As long as a faculty member or other student did not press charges, most often nothing was done.
Report Post »buckj1013@q.com
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:36amWere a mental evalution needed per the College, as in Virginia Tech, why was he not reported to the Police? However, he would of found a gun somewhere…as gun laws don’t stop those intent on doing damage.
Report Post »cnerd
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:34amIf you were so afraid, why didn’t you file a police report. Since the 80s people who would have been detained and held for mental disorders are roaming the streets. I realize mental health hospitals have a record of horror stories, but he should have been detained and evaluated. Thank God he never got into the military.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:33amHave you ever noticed how many physics come out of the woodwork when something like this happens. They all knew that he was going to commit a crime or something, but yet they never say anything until after the fact. I think they are just trying to get their 15 minutes of fame just like the gunman.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:57amHeavyDuty – Not arguing here, but I think you meant “psychics” not “physics”.
The fact that the shooter used a 9mm that completely passed through Congresswoman Giffords skull rather than a .22 that didn’t along with the fact that he shot her at close range were probably the physics that saved her life.
As for the psychics – well, that‘s a case of good ol’ 20/20 hindsight. People with latent hostility often give off “bad vibes” and people pick up on them. They are uncomfortable to be around, but people put it down to “feelings”, which in fact, is what they are. Then when something like this happens, they say “I never liked the guy. He was creepy.”
Report Post »BlazingInSC
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:31amI watched this interview and even though this shooter acted erratic according to the professor, I would honestly say I didn’t hear him speak of any action that would lead me to believe my life was in danger if I was him. The guy was melodramatic.
Report Post »Edward
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:24amI love how all these people come out now and say, “Oh this guy was a nightmare, I knew he was going to kill someone.” If you were so scared of this skinny kid where the hell was your rhetoric then. Oh thats right you want your 15 min of fame now. If people knew this kid was a danger and did nothing, blood is on there hands.
Report Post »TrueGrit
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:34amOne could almost make the case that anyone who saw the trouble with this kid,
especially a ‘trained’ educator may be charged as an accomplice to the crime,
for not coming forward with their concerns.
Wolverine
Report Post »workin4alivin
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:20amafter 70 years, i knew pot was going to push someone over the edge…
Report Post »TrueGrit
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:31amUnderstand this kid failed the military drug test.
Was a felon twice.
Obviously had been in trouble in every school,
and NO ONE called this guy out to the authorities.
Sad.
I wish the best for the families. All the families.
Wolverine
Report Post »Chase
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:15amThe vitriolic sheriff is in deep doo-doo. He had to have been called on at least one occasion about Loughner yet he okay’d his gun permit. It’s obvious his vile was in truth a pre-emptive strike – failed.
Report Post »Rn mom
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:20amWas this guy military? I heard he was in Afganistan, that would make the gun permit issue more understandable.
Report Post »Navymommy
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:25amNo, RN Mom, he was not. He tried to get into the army and they rejected him.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:30amRN MOM: No this guy wanted to join the military but was rejected. He probably did go to the gun range and familiarized himself with the weapon. One reported that he was an Afghanistan veteran but he has never been in the military.
Report Post »BreeZee
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:12am“I was afraid for my life? REALLY? WTF? Afraid for your life but you did nothing? I get tired of these oppportunist and their “after the fact” crap. What happened Saturday is a crying shame and how people have reacted is even more of a shame. One of the times left, right should be put aside and yet it is drawn like a sword. God help us all!
Report Post »blanco
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:22amNo one wants to get involved…..remember the story where someone was being beat up while others just stood around watching……we need more heroes!!!!
Report Post »Navymommy
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:24amThey did ban him from campus until he returned with a mental health evaluation. They‘re lucky it didn’t turn into a VA Tech type massacre. There is very little recourse for family members legally to get help with these situations. They have to commit a crime first or you have to prove they are a danger to themselves and others. That burden of proof is almost impossible. My family has been there, done that and two people lost their lives because of it.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:08amI am amazed that the left is blaming Tea Party and Palin and Beck. This guy met Congresswoman Giffords and set his sights on her in 2007 before Palin was known outside of Alaska. This kid is mentally ill and its been reported he is heavily into pot. It is my understanding that the use of pot can bring on the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. Loughner has been troubled for a very long time and anyone who blames anyone other than him is troubled themselves.
Report Post »mrsclark
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:15amYes, he was at one of her rallies and met and communicated with her then. But the media arent going to report THAT!!
Report Post »alrunner58
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:18amI totally agree with Loughner being troubled and the left has always been troubled.
Report Post »JimOhio
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:48amI agree with you and the comment made by Franklin Graham: “To try to place blame before an investigation has occurred is in itself inciting hatred.” Pretty much sums it up. Prayers were offered up at worship sevice yesterday morning at my church as I am certain they were at churches across our nation for the victims and families.
Report Post »jackhorowitz
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:03amBizarre. it seems like Gifforg and loughner had a relationship (i dont know what kind of relationship). check this out:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249381
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:03amDid you ever notice when a nut does something like this there will always be someone that says “ no surprise he has always been a nut case and a matter of time till he did something like this” so why wasn’t he reported and looked into?
Report Post »mrsclark
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:13amBecause you cant be arrested or “stopped” for something someone thinks you MIGHT do. Otherwise, the entire tea party movement would have been jailed because the media claims they are violent, even though there has been none perpetuated by them. Thank God for freedom.
Report Post »quarter horseman
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:17amHow does anyone descibe a nut case? I, to you, could be a nut. and in my opinion all people who are tree huggers are nuts and then there’s global warming nuts, people who dress up their dogs NUTS!! people think I’m nuts because I watch, listen and love Beck, Rush, Fox News, and speek out about Barry Obama. So who are nuts and who are not?
Report Post »valarie
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 11:27amQuarter Horseman, you are NOT nuts lol. You ride quarter horses. If you rode walkers or pasos, then, maybe… JUST KIDDING!
Report Post »Shackleford
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:03pmI’ve been exposed to weird people, and one of the thing about weird people is that it’s often difficult to articulate why they are weird. Many times a person‘s weirdness is something that you discover over time due to the cumulative weight of hundreds of little weird things that on their own just aren’t all that unusual. I get the impression that this teacher was trying to explain it but couldn’t do it either.
Report Post »mark t
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:00ammy prayers go out to all affected by this creep….
Report Post »donh2
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:53amThe media is reporting the discovery of a tented satanic shrine in Jarrod’s back yard with a mexican style Day of the Dead altar of skull and oranges. Coupled with the mind control this red diaper doper baby is clearly into the **** satanism of the Kenneth Anger cult. Where is the media blame for the religion of Satanism ?… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfJ4JnK0lTc
Report Post »GeauxAlready
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:49amThe far left is to blame for this. The way they attacked the American people as a bunch of gun crazed loons, is nothing short of shocking. Blame Bush, Republicans, everyone but those who are to balme…
Report Post »shane2813
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:44amAre all the Leftist Democrats INSANE!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:07amPlease don’t go that far. I know plenty of Democrats that a sane and love America the same as I do. They aren’t the radicals we see today.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:23amThis is not fair Shane – this is not a problem on the left or the right, or even a problem with the political discourse. This is just about a very disturbed young man and we may never understand why he did this. But the blame game needs to stop! http://wp.me/pYLB7-v9
Report Post »realchange
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:28amThe Democratic Party was hijacked by the Progressives (socialists, commies).
Report Post »Devil Dog 7175
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:30amAlvin… I agree, democrats are not the problem, its those that they have alligned themselves with that are the problem. Now you might say then the ones they elected to represent them chose this alliance,(which will destroy them in the end) but the average Joe work a day democrat is not the problem.
Report Post »Rob
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:44amI keep seeing the talking heads talking about how bad the discourse has become in America over the last two years…WELL WHAT THE HECK CHANGED TWO YEARS AGO? The “great uniter”….yeah, right.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:58amYou certainly have a point there!
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:01amGreat Point! The Progressives started pushing through their agenda and would not take no from the American people. Great Point!
http://www.josephfawcettart.com please pray for my younger brother Anthony Fawcett in England. He had a massive heart attack, and contracted H1N1 flu. He is close to death at 47 years old
Rn mom
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:18amShe says she prayed for herself, did she report him to anyone? And if he is a child care worker, we need to know HOW he got a job like that, he is obviously deranged.
guyperram
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:30amThis guy is one sick puppy. If the dems hadn’t dismantled the mental health system he may have been able to get help.
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:36amThe left has taken control of the dialog. Instead of talking about profiling delusional psychotics and intervention, they are talking about Palin and Beck and vitriol in political dialog. Also, Arizona is an open carry state. How did this wacko take out nearly 20 people without getting shot at? Does anybody remember the issues surrounding Luby’s in the early 90’s or Virginia Tech a few years ago? The liberals in Congress will probably try to use this to further insulate themselves. If a lawful citizen had been there say, with a Glock 23 in their fanny pack, a beautiful little girl, a judge or some others might be alive today.
Report Post »uncleherbert
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:36amYour comment makes sence. It is a shame we did not have some one with a permit there with a weapon to kill him first.
Report Post »byehlik
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:39amSo, let me get this stright…..This guy knew the eventual shooter to be a nut bag. Feared for his life, but did nothing to alert any authority? Even though I hate the word authority which they really are not. Mummmmm, Politcal Correctness bites society again.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:07amThe Progressives finally got the guy they wanted in Obama. That emboldened them to ratchet up the speed with regards to the changing of America. BUT!, the plans to make those changes were already in place well before OB got into office. DISCOURSE was already vitriolic! Olberman, Maddow, Matthews, J WRight, J JAckson, Sharpton, etc…
Report Post »Don’t stand for the accusations being made against S Palin, Beck, O’Reilly, etc. DO THESE PEOPLE THINK WE HAVEN’T HEARD THE THINGS THEY HAVE SAID?
REMEMBER when the left said anyone who opposed Obama was a racist? Of course, no one on the left say’s anything that could be construded as intolerant.
Sgt.Crust
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:25amYou have my prayers Joeseph!
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:29amHere we have a mother that turns her jihad son in because she is afraid of what he might do to the public and, on the other hand, we have a prof that sees multiple signs of violence but does nothing, but is glad he didn’t harm her class. Isn’t that special? Especially after the shootings at Ft Hood where suspicious behavior was overlooked. Can we please get past the PC?
buckj1013@q.com
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:29amYou are correct…..Who said “the other side are enemies”? Who said “the other side are hostage takers”? Who said “the police are stupid, or acted stupidly?”
Report Post »Who said “if a daughter of mine got pregant I’d have them have an aborition I would not want them PUNISHED BY A BABY?” (yes he said BABY as I’ve viewed the vidio). Lack of respect for life. OBAMA FOLKS MADE THE AFOREMENTIONED STATEMENTS. A baby has a heartbeat 24 days after conception and fingerprints 6 weeks after conception….and you wonder why young people have a lack of respect for life. Since the arly 70′s our leaders have been embarrassing for the most part.
This young man if not mental, is evil.
Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:47ambyehlik,
Every other poster on this site is a nut job. They talk about their stored food ammo, second amendment remedies, revolution, civil war, I’ve been threatened, harranged and wished dead. Do we report all of this? Should the FBI be monitoring The Blaze message boards?
bbdarthchris077
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:15amWell if he thought something was about to happen did he try to get the kid some help? Maybe if we all did not withdraw from each other and talk to each other maybe just maybe things like this might not happen all that much.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:33amThe whole discord thing was ramped up when Clinton went out and Bush came in. The alinsky radicals went vehement when obama got to Washington.
It’s as if obama took his alinsky classes to the senate with him. Over the last 2 years it’s as if his Czars have been orchestrating a cohesive gel under the banner of General Soros….
There is no doubt that proressives and the Alinsky blueprint are the cause of the discord. They commit and then blame, blame, blame, blame –
One of their favorite scapegoats ids how Clinton was treated re lewinsky. lewinsky was about the most powerful man in the World proving he would say and do anything to not be found out. A recipe for manipulation and blackmail (during which jung il got 8 Bil for his nuke program btw).
Clinton’s own jihad was stopped and the progressives are so full of hate because of it. They demonize even the tea party which represents the enemy to their cause once again.. In truth they are attacking our founders and the basic principles they laid out. Witness the disdain for the reading of the Constitution. Boehner did a great thing with the ‘cite the provision’ clause.
Report Post »Reagan/DeMint.disciple
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 10:59amSo let me guess Political correctness stopped you from alerting authorities, right ? Ok so a counselor but then after you should’ve reported him to the proper authorities…
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 11:33amThere are only two possible reasons for this gunman’s actions if you are a progressive/leftist. Either he is a right-wing nut who hated the Deocratic Congresswoman, or he is simply a “victim” of the right’s rhetoric. No one on the left will hold this guy personally responsible for his actions unless it is found out that he is a conservative.
And those same people wonder why there is such discourse in our nation. When one side eliminates personal responsibility and simply blames the other side for EVERYTHING bad that happens in our country, of course the other side is going to rise up to dispute it!
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:18pmRogue
Report Post »Posted on January 10, 2011 at 11:33am
There are only two possible reasons for this gunman’s actions if you are a progressive/leftist. ——————————————
Hey Rogue do you see the irony in your post? 90% of the replies in this thread are blaming the left as you subsequently do yourself “one side eliminates personal responsibility ”. Maybe the guy is just completely delusional, mentally ill and neither left or right. He may simply be insane. I agree with you. No wonder there is such NEGATIVE discourse in this country.
dontbotherme
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 3:22pmJoseph Fawcett – Prayers for your brother… God Speed..
Report Post »seemsew
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:44pmSo many of our leaders? in Congress are talking about this discourse. Yet, they don’t even respect one another enough to be on the floor of Congress to ear what is being said. Often you’ll see a Representative or Senator speaking to an empty room. They might want to start right there and LISTEN to what the other guy has to say.
Report Post »UPSETVET
Posted on January 11, 2011 at 4:04amEvidence that has emerged ince the shooting in Arizona clearly shws that Jared Loughner was anything but “ mentally competent ”. However, mentl incompetency doesn’t mean someone is “ insane ”. Insanity is a state of unawareness of what’s right or wrong. Jared Loughner planned his attack and was fully aware of his actions and the consequences of those actions.
Report Post »Until a little over two years ago, the “ silent majority ” was composed basically of right wing conservatives. However, after Barack Obama was elected the POTUS and push came to shove, the silent majority became vocal to protect our basic Constitutional rights and freedoms.
The left wing liberals and progressive communists always try to place the blame of violent tragedies on the right wing conservatives. However, it’s the left and not the right that is violente in their rhetorics, painting the conservatives a the “ enemies ” who must be punished by the left. Many of Barack Obama’s associates are self proclamed communists that call for revolution in America, either by peaceful or violent means.
Dave In Arizona
Posted on January 11, 2011 at 12:30pm@Rob
Make that FOUR years ago. That’s when the Dems took over Congress. In fact, that’s when the US started going down hill.
Report Post »rontard
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 11:25amRight on Rob! “change we can believe in” as stated by Barack Obama. Yes, the great one said that he was a uniter, and not a divider. I have never seen a president that is such a divider, not even Jimmy Carter was this lame. I tell you what change i have noticed in the last two years, the Democrat party! Will the real Dumbocrat please stand up! “Progressive”, pure, and simple.
Report Post »rontard