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QUETTA, Pakistan (AP) — Police say at least 10 gunmen have torched 29 NATO oil tankers in southwest Pakistan.
The attack early Saturday is one of several to hit the supply line for U.S. and NATO forces in neighboring Afghanistan since Pakistan closed a key border crossing on September 30. On Wednesday, militants torched 70 fuel tankers and killed a driver.
Deputy Commissioner Abdul Mateen says the latest attack was in Mithri town of southwestern Baluchistan province.
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wash1776
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 10:15amI think we should elect you and get rid of Obomba!
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 10:11amAdd your comments
Report Post »justice
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:22amour new defense secretary was vice pres. of fannie mae isn’t that wonderful. our troops will be under advisement of a failed house mortgage situation.. my god how much more can this country take…he was in fannie and did not enforce housing regulatios, he was there when housing bubble went hay-wire…..this is why this guy, another one was not confirmed through congress, does obama plan on being a dictator…
Report Post »dragonworks
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:05amGet out a Dodge now.
Report Post »...............R..U..Kidding...Me
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 4:06amIf your going to fight a war, you got to have cojunies. obama and gatzes …need I say more. Heck, obama and chris (FL) throw baseballs like wuzzies (NO STRENGTH). Any president should let the military do what is does best. Mission of the military is to Devastate and Annihilate, and End the war quickly. Any time a wuzzie president or a wuzzie congress slows down the forward momentium of the military, they are just showing down the conclusion to the war. LET THE MILITARY DO THEIR JOB!!! Unleash the dogs of war and let them go to iran, iraq, paki, afgan, wherever and Devastae and Annihilate EVERY American threat!!! Or obama can have is Viet Nam too.
Report Post »QTR MOA
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 3:46amThis whole global situation is why I’m callin for a Teddy Roosevelt policy. We need “Isolationism”. It’s time to pull our kids out of that S%$thole and have a carpet bomb only policy. You cannot win a war when you are completely unwilling to eradicate your enemy. The last terrorist we put away said “The war with Muslims has only just begun.”
The biggest problem we face is that the entire Muslim world understands this FACT and the entire western world does not. I don’t know about any of you, but I have a pretty strict policy when it comes to people who want to kill me for whatever reason…..I want to kill them first.
Report Post »Windsong
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 2:32amBoth NATO and the US need to stop any and all funds to Pakistan immediately, resuming payments only when the Pakistani government decides to who they‘d rather have as ’allies’…the US OR the Taliban. They can’t have both.
If the Pakistani government is urging hostility by it’s citizens towards the US, they there isn’t anything we can do for your country. You cannot be both ‘friend’ and ‘enemy’. Choose.
America has been trying – and dying – for one reason…to allow Middle Eastern countries to know freedom and rights and a democracy of their choice. That’s it.
If Pakistan and Afghanistan decide that they’d rather depend on Iran or the Taliban or Al Quieda for their money and food and defense, then so be it. Americans can come home and America can send the NATO and the UN representatives to Iran and be done with it. The UN buildings will house many homeless Americans.
Do not question the America’s opinion on things, such as Mosques, when your countrymen continue their evil destruction of any and all humans. Be peaceful or leave. Don’t make the good, honest people from the Middle East face deportation from all countries because of the stupidity of your Middle Eastern leadership.
When your ‘god’ tells you it is good to kill, then he is not really a ‘god’. There is no ‘best’ race, religion or ‘leader’. There is no group of people that can play ‘god’ and decide who should live or who should die…although George Soros certainly tries). When the time is right, the true ‘God will return to earth. HE will decide…he will be the judge. All of the leaders on earth right now are just humans. How do I know that?
Every leader of every country sits on a toilet seat exactly the same way…you, too, George! They are all the same…with differnet beliefs. So be it. We will all wait for judgement day together.
Report Post »Steverino
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 10:52amWell put, Windsong.
Report Post »angrymob
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 4:48pmNuke ‘em
Report Post »DanSt
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 4:31pmSteverino, the Afghans line in the 7th century and that isn’t ever going to change…We need to level all the passageways between Afghanistan and the Pakistani Tribal Lands and find out once and for all if the Pakistanis are serious about ridding themselves of the terrorists, or, as I’ve long suspected, are just happy taking out billions and plotting against us…Continue bombing inside a sovereign Pakistan will do nothing but lead to the arming of a terrorist organization with a nuclear weapon…It kind of makes me wonder if that hasn‘t been Barry’s plan all along…there is nothing he would like better than a reason to declare martial law to suspend all future elections…See Cloward-Piven…By any means…
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 4:17pmHillary Diane Rodham Clinton needs to secure the deal with Pakistan. Apparently we’ve been taken by Pakistan with the $Billions$ of dollars we’ve delivered. Failure to win this war may damage Clintons hopes for future Oval Office opportunities, because these muslims don’t understand their roll. It‘s obviously clear we can’t buy our success in the middle east. Zig Ziglar said it best, “You can’t do a good deal with a bad guy”. If we withdraw now, Pakistan with Iranian support head to Isreal. We are resolved today, to confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America and our allies. Can Clinton stay the course?
Report Post »docvet
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 1:20pmThere should be some way we can protect those convoys. I’m fairly sure some of our special forces can learn to drive trucks. What about drones (I know, collateral damage is a problem)?
Report Post »DanSt
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 1:30pmDovvet, ground troops in Pakistan will cause a backlash that Obama just doesn’t understand…Bad idea.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 5:56pmOur current administration is hesitant to show any signs if aggression or showing signs of force. We’re supposed to engage with our brains tighed behind our backs.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 6:21pmPardon moi, “tied behind our backs”
Report Post »DanSt
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 1:17pmOnce Obama set the time table the effort was doomed to fail. There is absolutely no reason for any of our troops to remain in Afghanistan past midnight tonight. Obama totally undermined the whole mission by telling the Afghan citizens who were vital to our success that we are leaving them in less than a year. The man is a damn fool and his incompetence is exposed more and more each day. His insistence on attacking inside a sovereign Pakistan has no led to attacks on NATO caravans inside Pakistan…Obama has absolutely no understanding of the Pakistani people…these continued attacks will lead to the Pakistani masses joining forces with Al Qaeda and the Taliban to fight against our forces…and when we are forced to leave in disgrace because of wavering leadership, the Pakistani people will then resume their fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban…it’s what they do in Pakistan…Someone needed to tell that to the fool in the Oval Office months and months ago…Get our troops out immediately, but on the way out they need to level every passageway between the Tribal Lands and Afghanistan…then the Pakistanis will no longer have the excuse that the bad guys “slipped back across the border”…we will finally find out if they are serious about ridding themselves of terrorists, or, as I’ve long suspected, take our money and plot against us…No more American blood…get out now!
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:34pmYou are not crazy. You are telling it like it is. We need to get our own house in order. Charity begins at home and so does most everything else. We need to get back to being the true leader of the world and not stay on the path to mediocrity and destruction Obama has us on. GOOD JOB!
Report Post »Steverino
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 1:02pmBANG. In less than an hour, we have cited 2 options to move forward in energy and healthcare. Are they feasible? Who knows. UNLEASH THE AMERICAN ENTREPRENEURIAL BEAST!!! Answers can be found. It’s not an accident that we became the world power that we did in 200 years. FREEDOM. INGENUITY. HARD WORK. Accidental? I think not. Keep it coming…
Report Post »computerdweller
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 2:28pmSteverino, Three more for ya.
The cost of higher education rose with government financing college for everybody. That means a dumb jerk can get a degree and go to corporate and be a dumb jerk. And we wonder why it’s all falling apart. Once upon a time there where charities that helped the poor with good marks go to college. They were called scholarships. Either stop government financing or require some scoolastic aptitude and watch the cost of higher education fall.
Local education. Every shcool seems to need a football field and Auditorium. This is the major cost of building and maintaining schools. Why not locate these big ticket items centrally(community center). Maybe locate a building for group meetings to practice plays and for science labs there too. Then just put the classrooms every so many blocks so kids can walk to school(with crossing guards), and with the same busing system for going to and from the community center.
End Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. People that can’t afford houses should be tenants.
Rearrange the hanger on from the war on poverty now called Community Reinvestment Act to do things the way Saul Alinksy wanted it done. He said a community should first put a community association together self sustained funding from local business and/or church community. This association should then select the projects they wanted to do with funding. Instead the fed state and local government picked projects they wanted done and left the community out of the picture.
Oops thats four. Sorry, but I have more.
Report Post »Steverino
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:51amJust some crazy, half thought ideas off of the top of my head – please respond in kind. Why don’t we, as America, “retrench”. Let’s focus on OUR abilities to support US. We have all of the resources here to feed, warm, fuel our cars, etc. HERE. Do we REALLY need to fight the world’s battles?? We have been doing it for generations, with little to no gratitude, or compensation. We have been accused of being the world’s BULLY. We are pouring an unending supply of our hard earned dollars into petty playground squabbles in a world that will never accept us.
Report Post »RETRENCH.
Pull out ALL of our military. EVERYWHERE. NOW.
Start drilling. Stop subsidizing farmers for NOT growing. Turn our entrepreneurial engines on HIGH. Get our country completely secured – develop technology that would protect us against any incoming warfare. Develop technology that would destroy any nuclear initiative anywhere on the planet. “Star Wars,” anyone??
We don’t need French wine – we have some of the best. We don’t need German technology – we have some of the best. We don’t need many “fancy” things, we have all we need here. TAKE OUR BALL AND GO HOME. Pull a MAJOR John Galt. Let the world descend into chaos, while we put OUR house back in order. When everything crumbles, we will once again be the “shining city on the hill”. The world should come to us, hat in hand, and ASK for our help. We will help, because that is who we are as Americans. BUT there MUST be due compensation for our help and effort.
“De Couple” from the world, and the mess. Let us put ourselves back together and become, once again, a nation of principles, integrity and honor. WE choose whom we conduct business with – on OUR terms. If the world doesn’t like it – tough nuts. We have become a “Doormat” for the rest of the world, and I am personally tired of it.
We, as a nation, can be COMPLETELY self – sufficient – isn’t that our greatest hope for our children? Shouldn’t we should apply it to ourselves first?
I know this sounds crazy, and it may be. Isolationism can be a dirty word, but, as I said at the beginning, these are some half – baked thoughts born of frustration in our current situation.
Please respond in kind. Thanks for the opportunity to vent!!!
computerdweller
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:27pmWell said. Sounds like a plan. May I add
Report Post »There have been many plans proposed for reorganizing the UN. Our Reps should pick one and give a date certain for its implementation, or we defund the UN.
I have seen about seven patent applications that could work for breaking water on board a car for use as fuel. At one time in my life the head of Phillips in the US told me that when the saw a viable patent they would ramp up for immediate production while sending out a letter to the patent holder for the right to produce. He said the worst case a judge would see they had tried to negotiate and simply use the court for getting to a royalty agreement. In short anyone could review these documents and go into production if it was viable. There is no reason that the government could not use national security as a legitimate excuse to order it done.
wash1776
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:32pmYou are
Report Post »computerdweller
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:47pmLets say it costs a hospital, doctor or lab $100 for some service. All these outfits must pay their employees within fourteen days but don‘t know if it will take a year to get paid and don’t know if it will get paid in full, so they add $20 in case it gets cut 20% and $12 interest and $20 for the cost of tracking it for a year. Actually hospitals pay a third party called a M.A.R.C.(Medical Accounts Receivable Corporation). So now our $100 is now $152.
It easy to see that the healthcare could be cut by 30% just by requiring insurers pay immediately. As a programmer I know I could set up a system to control this in a matter of months with built in fraud protection. We would no longer have a health care problem.
Report Post »docvet
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 1:15pmI think you may have a point to an extent. We can’t go totally isolationist as there are raw materials we need that are not in the U.S. (chromium (none) and not enough oil to meet need), but we could, at considerable expense, reduce our “footprint” on the world. For example, we could reduce the troop levels to security force levels at our bases in Germany, Japan, Italy, Spain, Bahrain and others and then listen to those countries hollar about the reduced income to their communities. This happened in Norfolk, VA during the blockade of Cuba where almost every ship was at sea. A person could almost go bowling on the streets and not hit much of anything.
We could tell our Secretary of State to not get involved with any country except to protect our citizens. We could stop taking sides in any conflict and tell the countries involved to deal with it. Let’s see what Europe has to say about that. Further, we stop all foreign aid for at least one year. Aid in cases of natural disasters will be at the level of other countries and consist of mostly delivering supplies and leaving (again like most countries do). Problems with terrorists would be handled by the Navy and Air Force, primarily from the air.
I’m sure there are many other things this country does that, if stopped, would result in unexpected problems that which few realize we were involved. It is about time we got the world’s attention. Ann Landers, an advice columnist, once said, “To be a doormat, first you have to lay down”.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:06amGet out of the ME entirely and focus on making America financially strong again. Let them fight among themselves.
Report Post »Waiting4George
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 11:01amKorea–“Police Action”
Viet Nam–“Winning the hearts and minds of the people”
Afganistan–A police action to win the hearts and minds of the people
Fail+Fail=Double Fail
QED
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 10:39amWe are caught up in a real mess over there. Quite honestly, I don’t know what the answer is. Nor does the Obama Administration! One thing is for sure, we are not fighting to win, never have been. That being the case, it is immoral to place our people in “harm’s way” without a clear objective and plan to win, if such is even possible. Furthermore, liberals hate the military, have little or no respect for them and consider them as nothing more than pawns in their political gambits. Bush wimped out to a certain degree, being overly concerned about “collateral-damage” instead of killing bad guys. And it seems to me that the Obama Administration is concerned ONLY about that, nothing else. It is DISGRACEFUL!
Report Post »adifftake
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 9:00amWhy doesn’t our government just say: OK Pakistan we get it. Here Taliban, please take control of our left behind equipment and we’ll go home, since you evidently don’t want us here.
Then on the way out of Afganistan burn all thier poppy fields and leave them with a warning. Mess with us and you will see that the Soviets in the 1980′s were just children at play compared to what is coming to you.
Now just go away. Then blow up a nuclear device, a small one in the middle of the Tora Bora Mnts. as a reminder to them we carry a big stick. So what if a but load of them die from radiation. Call it population control. It‘s where we’re headed anyway under Obama and Soros. What you think Obama is in charge? he doesn’t do anything without permission of his owners, the Fabian Socialists.
The sooner they take control of this stupid world, the sooner they will try to rid it of ALL religion. But the True God’s true Kingdom Servants will never submit and Soros and his ilk will find out, there really is a True God, and He owns this here planet. Furthermore, He has appointed a King and the King of His Kingdom is Jesus Christ and he has more angels than is needed to take possession of God’s planet and they will lose.
First all the Kings of the Earth must be united so the War of God Almighty may be fought against all evil, and Satan and the non-believers may be put off this earth. Make no mistake He is at the door. Find those who preach God’s Kingdom as the answer and you will survive the coming conflagration.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 9:19amI like it, I like it.
Just one question – how much damaged would a “small” thermo nuculear device cause as opposed to a “big” one? Okay, that brings me to another question – would that be considered an “act of war”?
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 10:31amOh great idea – what about the radiation that could spread worldwide? http://wp.me/pYLB7-cd
RONALDREAGAN1980
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 10:36amIf I’m understanding you correctly, Jesus would agree that it was ok to set off a small nuke, even though a butt load of them would die from radiation. After that, what if Pakistan decides this would be a good time to show they aren’t afraid to use their nuclear weapons? You gotta be careful about wars you think are endorsed by God, coz that seems to be the primary problem with the other side.
Report Post »computerdweller
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:06pmFrom when I was a child reading the old testament, It seemed liked it was an evolved being leading around an inferior group trying to hasten their development. Beyond this when a prophet was sent out to cities to tell the people how to live and the prophets were thrown out because the town did not want to change from corruption to morality, they were told to stand on the wall and tell the people that if they did not change their ways, 3 generations would watch it’s demise and in the fourth it would be extinct. The being that gave these prophets those words was a sociologist.
We must end the corruption within our wall. We must not do trade with the corrupt. We must become self sufficient within the wall. We must ostracize the corrupt. Ignore them until they collapse of their own corruption.
We are at war not understanding what were waring with, so we get chaos. We must understand that we are at war with a religion that says we all must be subjugated to the god of the rule of the prophet that broke all the old testement commandments. We are at war with the socialist, communist(Marxist,Leninist), Fabian and all that believe that the individual should be subject to the state without the consent of the governed. We must bring back adherence to the constitutional law that protects the individual from the tyranny of the state and bring back government of the people by the people and for the people.
Report Post »printdesignchicago.com
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 8:58amwhy aren’t we torching the ones who did this? good god….
it’s sad when your country asks you to fight a war as a soldier, then charges you with murder for doing your job. if our ‘leaders’ would do the job right – we wouldn’t have to be there in the first place.
STOP ALL AID TO CABDRIVERSTAN! WIN THE WAR! BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 8:48amAmerica needs a policy every American that dies, 10,000 enemies die, and for every dollar worth of property they destroy, $1,000,000 worth of their property is destroyed, the only way to win a war is to make it so costly for the other side that they give up.
Report Post »RONALDREAGAN1980
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 10:26amIn the last 9 years, the US has given $18Billion dollars in military and economic aid to Pakistan. It’s not exactly their money.
On the one hand, here are some non-isolated concepts. Pakistan definitely has nuclear weapons. Bin laden is still believed to be hiding out in Pakistan. Pakistan is an overwhelmingly Muslim country. The military is controlled by muslims, and they are generally considered to be more fundamentalist than the muslims in the government. Few in the military want to fight Al Quaeda or the Taliban because many in the military are sympathizers with those groups. Both the government and the miliary know it pays handsomely to be an ally of the US. Pakistan has just seen the worst floods in recent history, affecting over 20% of the land. The people of Pakistan are generally not rich. The potential of Pakistan becoming rapidly destabilized increases as the drone attacks increase and helicopters open fire on remote outposts, as the general population, already unhappy with the slow government response in providing flood relief, becomes unhappier with the perception that the government is just a puppet of the US.
While on the surface, the drone attacks seem like a good idea (surgical strike, no allied casualties), these and other incursions could end up propelling a military coup by very fundamentalist elements, who would love to have unimpeded access to the country’s nuclear arsenal.
So as much as you or I or anyone else would love to see Bin Laden eviscerated and staked out on an anthill, we may unwittingly be playing into his hands by setting the stage for things worse.
Report Post »Bill
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 11:09amSounds like a good idea Let your guard down and have 30 fuel blown up is bad but to let it happen again and then agin is just down right irresponsible and stupid. Even obumer is smarter than that.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:48amSeems to me that we need to renogiate our deals with Pakistan. But just to show how smart they are. They are burning their own trucks and fuel. Kind of makes you want to laugh at it.
Report Post »Pike
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:47amThis is no surprise. They’re attacking our weaker logistics lines where they can succeed. This will get worse if we don’t intervene somehow.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 10:29amWeakest logistics line? Its our only logistics line. http://wp.me/pYLB7-cd
RichardSaunders
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 7:41amWar is never pretty. I wish there were some way for humans to solve their differences without resorting to armed conflict. As a 24 year vet, no one hates the act of war greater than I. Yet I also understand the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. I pray for our military in harms way, wherever in the world they are, and all those who are caught in the crossfire of this war in Afghanistan … as well as our allies in Pakistan.
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 8:19amSeems to me that when we were a more righteous nation, we used to win the wars we entered into. Are nation-building efforts ‘just’ wars? Dunno.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 9:11amCan anyone say “mission creep”. More drones and fighting in Pakistan? Bring the soldiers home since we don’t even know the clear message. Osama, Alqiada (sp?), Taliban and now Pakistan. This is a politician driven war and they never work well. I would rather we fight on our southern border in the other war that is erupting.
Report Post »ironcowboy
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 12:01pmWar is a lot like cancer surgery… You see the tumor on the MRI, and sometimes you can even see it visually… But you really have no idea how deep its spread until you go in and have a lookie see. And often you discover that the cancer has spread to many other nearby tissues, and infected it. So the great question of both war and cancer surgery is: to what extent do we (really) want to go to stop this further progression. What good is the surgery or the war, if you leave cancer or militants behind…
Report Post »AZfreeman
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 1:41pmThe last thing anyone would ever want to see is another world war. When we used nuclear weapons in WWII, that necessary decision saved possibly millions of lives but caused many deaths. Bottom line..it brought the war to an end. Tyrants of the world only recognizes the strength of a people by their ability and ‘willingness’ to fight with overwhelming force and total resolve. The catch22 now is, that many nations have those weapons and would use them. So we find our self in a world-wide standoff. Who will use nukes and who will retaliate with them? A standoff such as this will only propagate smaller conflicts and encourage radical insurgencies. It’s only a matter of time until one of these conflicts will escalate. If America is attacked with nukes, will we find the resolve to do what’s necessary and not be restrained by cries from “anti-war zealots’ about collateral damage or civilian loss of live? Or will we allow ourselves to “absorb the hit” as our Commander-n-thief has said? Overwhelming force is the only way to fight and the resolve to use that force is the only way to avoid a fight. Build the missile defense shield and all other skirmishes should be avoided. …rf
Report Post »snowleopard3200
Posted on October 9, 2010 at 3:38pmQuestion, has anyone noticed that the Taliban is especially targeting our tanker trucks lately? Our military uses quite a bit of it if what civilian records I can read up on are correct. Even a handful of them lost will cost our troops on mobility of soldiers, vehicles, rescue and medevac helo’s and the basic heating fuel for the winter time.
I wonder if there might be a winter time offensive about to take place like the battle of the bulge in WWII where everyone said it to be impossible for an offensive through the ardens to occur – seems back then they forgot to tell that to the germans both at the bulge and at the battle of france at the start of the war.
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