Has Obama Been Tough Enough With Egypt?
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama tried the impossible: winning the hearts and minds of Egyptians furious with their autocratic ruler while assuring a vital ally that the United States has his back.
The four-minute speech Friday evening represented a careful balancing act for Obama. He had a lot to lose by choosing between protesters demanding that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak step down from a government violently clinging to its three-decade grip on the country.
“The United States will continue to stand up for the rights of the Egyptian people and work with their government in pursuit of a future that is more just, more free and more hopeful,” the president said.
Yet he offered no ultimatum or specific demand, saying instead that Mubarak had a “responsibility to give meaning” to his pledges of better democracy and more economic opportunity.
The U.S. response is challenged by a massive mismatch in the perception and reality of its power. Despite spending billions in Egypt to establish a bulwark of American influence in the Middle East, the U.S. has little capacity to determine whether the 82-year-old Mubarak weathers the protests or is toppled, analysts and past administration officials say.
In his first television appearance since protests erupted three days ago, Mubarak said Friday he asked his Cabinet to resign. He said he would reconstitute it yet outlined no concrete democratic reform. He also defended the brutal crackdown on protesters, who’ve faced baton beatings, water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas.
Speaking shortly after, Obama didn’t endorse regime change. Nor did he say that Mubarak’s announcement was insufficient. Instead, he said he personally told Mubarak to take “concrete steps” to expand rights.
Does that mean that Mubarak should step down after three decades in power? Should he announce that he won’t run again for president? What about constitutional changes? Is it time to scrap emergency laws in place since 1981?
Administration officials would not say.
Obama’s address was the most forceful of the day, but it stuck largely to the script already set by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and White House spokesman Robert Gibbs.
“What will eventually happen in Egypt is up to Egyptians,” Clinton said, noting that the Egypt government could ease tensions by rapidly introducing democratic reform. “That moment needs to be seized, and we are hoping that it is.”
“The legitimate grievances that have festered for quite some time in Egypt have to be addressed,” Gibbs said. “And violence is not the response.”
The reality is that the United States can do little to control or direct the anger in the Arab world unleashed two weeks ago when Tunisia chased its long-time ruler from power. Yet the U.S. can do severe harm to its own interests by coming out too forcefully for or against the uprising.
Washington’s perceived ability to pick and choose governments is limited to a very few places. It does not wield that power in the Middle East, where Islamic parties completely opposed to the United States are often the most likely democratic alternatives.
“This is the most serious foreign policy crisis the administration has faced,” said Aaron David Miller, who worked two decades at the State Department and is now a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center. “The paradox is, there is little if anything the administration can do.”
That doesn‘t mean it won’t try.
The White House said earlier Friday it would review the $1.5 billion in annual aid to Egypt, an unsubtle warning that it still has some pull with Cairo.
The State Department issued an unusual warning to Americans to avoid all but essential travel to Egypt at the height of the winter tourism season.
“The U.S. doesn’t believe revolutions are the way to go,” said Robert Danin, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a State Department specialist on the Middle East under President George W. Bush. “Revolutions are violent. They have unanticipated outcomes.”
Still, rhetoric matters. After spending billions backing its few Arab friends, the U.S. has damaged credibility in the Arab world, leaving a narrow space for Washington policymakers.
Without a bold statement of solidarity, it’s tough to see how the United States will gain the sympathy of Egyptian protesters fighting a security apparatus that has worked closely with American counterparts and may be using U.S. equipment to repress them.
Obama aimed high: “The people of Egypt have rights that are universal. That includes the right to peaceful assembly and association, the right to free speech and the ability to determine their own destiny. These are human rights and the United States will stand up for them everywhere.”
But he tempered the bold idealism of a world of universal rights with a strong plea for peaceful protests. And he was clear that Mubarak’s government still had some U.S. support. “We are committed to working with the Egyptian government and the Egyptian people,” Obama said.
The need for balance is obvious. Completely alienating Mubarak would be a disaster for the U.S. if his government weathers the storm, possibly harming cooperation in the Mideast peace process or on counterterrorism.
Scott Carpenter, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said the United States will have more options once it becomes clear which side will prevail. “We cannot dictate anything,” he said.
Others decried what they deemed a reactive approach to U.S. foreign policy.
“We don’t side with the regime or the protesters when it matters,” said Michael Rubin, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. “By being so cautious and cynical, we end up not winning the hearts and minds of either side.”
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EDITOR’S NOTE — Bradley Klapper covers foreign affairs for The Associated Press.





















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Comments (108)
Red Meat
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:27pmYeah, let’s support the Muslim Brotherhood rioters and have them turn Egypt into another Thugacracy. No thanks.
Report Post »NatGuardMom
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:23pmAlso keep in mind This is all about Christians against Islam
Report Post »NatGuardMom
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:22pmHas it ever occurred to anyone that this has all been set up by Obama? Look back in History to see how many times this country has taken down a leader of a country. We all know that Obama hates Israel with a passion and I would not put this past him to be behind it. He is out to destroy this country’s economy and what better way then to have this happen so that the prices of oil and goods go up knowing that the hard working American is having already a hard time making ends meet. The sooner the people of American do what is happening in Egypt the better for this country. We need to oust him and his administration for all they are doing is taking this country down with the Third World countries. I have seen this all to many times within the Military days in my past years. Take note people Obama is all for the Muslim not the American people in anyway. He has gone all across the Middle East saying how bad America is toward the Muslim and now look what is happening. He wants the Brotherhood to take over don’t let him fool you. He is evil and needs to be ousted himself.
Report Post »abc123
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 10:09amNever miss a chance to start a new conspiracy theory.
Report Post »thestimulusmonkey
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:16pmThe stench of hypocrisy coming out of our government is unbearable. We believe people in the middle east should have democracy – not when they want it, but when we come in with our tanks and kill their people and give it to them. Ugh. Can’t take it anymore.
Report Post »suzy000
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:08pmObama is only a jerk with his own people. He is no Reagan when it comes to foreign policy even though the TIMES Magazine didn’t tell the American people how Reagan hated socialism and would have squashed Obama like a bug had they been political adversaries. Obama cannot lead America….how is he going to lead the world? His presidency is over….the Middle East will bring him down….watch and wait.
Report Post »RiseAboveThem
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 6:37amI agree. I find this whole Obama-Reagan charade laughable and wonder how many fools, if any, are falling for this nonsense. I have no doubt that Reagan would come out with a bold and powerful statement in defense of freedom and democracy for the Egyptian people.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:51pmThe gust front of the perfect storm is just now arriving…batten down the hatches….
Report Post »calebgs83
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:26pmObama is a ****…he only play hard-ball with conservatives…and hard-on with Chris Mathews.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:34pmAbsolutely brilliant commentary! Thanks so much.
Report Post »kschmud
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:47pmWow. How disappointing.
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:24pmYou can trust that Obama will do whatever he think is necessary to insure that Egypt becomes a radical Muslim state. He will do whatever he thinks will be detrimental to the US economy.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:16pmHas King Hussien Obama been tough enough with Egypt? He has been tougher on patriotic American citizens! OSI was responsible for getting some of the muslim brotherhood released in Egypt in dec.The “NGO Monitor website says HRW,International crisis group ,Middle East and North Africa Initiative,Soros Macedonia foundation ,Palestinian Center for Human Rights ,Al-Harq human rights group,Al Mezan and j street are all NGO’s supported by spooky dude the people of Egypt & the middle east better watch out for him and his friends know you know why BO is so vague about his support.
Report Post »inferno
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:03pmWhat a moron !! US citizens are loosing our freedoms on a daily basis, and he dares to critisize
Report Post »those in the middle east for being heavy handed, while his minons encourage world revolutions.
Egypt is the closest thing we have to an ally in all of the middle east other than Israel, and to think GW was called in the carpet because we were hated. Before Obama is through he will make Jimmu
Cotter look like a blooming genius !!!
poverty.sucks
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:58pmObama isn’t who we need to hear from, what are the Clinton’s up to? What are they working on? That‘s who Obama’s waiting to hear from.
Report Post »kschmud
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:43pmCome on people – I expect more from the majority of you! This is NOT an easy situation….hasn’t been for all of the presidents for past 20-30yrs. Do you want another Iran? Look what happened when they got rid of the Shah of Iran. Stick with the devil you know? It is sickening. If Mubarak falls what will happen in the vacuum created? What will happen to the rest of the Middle East.What will happen to Israel? Get on your knees and pray.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:16pmThe way we get another Iran is because we now have a vastly more ineffective President than Carter. That’s the kind of thing that happens when you are weak and fail to act decisively.
At the moment President Obama is on his knees but he isn’t praying. He’s scared, has no clue what to do, how to act or what direction would be in OUR INTERESTS! His ego won’t allow him to listen to reason. If there is another Iran – the blame will be his even more than Mubarak’s.
Mr. Obama is very comfortable pushing the American people around. Outside of our country he is hopelessly overmatched. President Putin is still laughing at him for signing away missile shields with the START treaty. China is playing with him as a cat does with a mouse or a bug.
So in the end…. You are correct: Get on your knees and pray.
Report Post »kschmud
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:22pmI totally agree that Obama is a weak leader and outmatched worldwide, as Carter was. I am just not sure what “we” should do…but I appreciate the discussion rather than the one-liners. Thanks.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:32pmPlease don’t get me wrong: I am nothing more than an old worn out soldier. I don’t even pretend to know the answers. For most of my life I was unable to really voice my opinion with regard to politics. This is relatively new to me. My own new freedom! Not that I am complaining – that’s the way it has to be. The uniformed military must obey lawful orders from the duly elected civilian leadership.
Report Post »conservativeBC
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:37pmMichael Savage EXPLODES on Egypt riots
http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/01/michael-savage-explodes-on-egypt-riots.html
Report Post »vtxphantom
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:26pmWhere has the CIA been all this time. There should have been travel alerts out for Egypt for weeks now. The Obama regime has no clue what is going on over their because our intelligence sucks. Obama is sticking his pointy little nose in where it does not belong because he does not have a grasp on what is going on. He is going to meddle and make the situation worse. He screws things up because he makes bad judgement calls. Sorry to say this, but he does live in a bubble.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:04pmOur President has no clue about a STRONG foreign policy. President Reagan would pick up the phone and tell Mubarak to quit quietly and go live out his days in France or wherever. The rest of the world, publicly, would think it was Mubarak’s decision and we could then openly back the folks that want democracy & stop the Muslim Brotherhood in their tracks.
Real diplomacy is not accomplished in public. Carry it out in private from a position of strength. The problem here is that Mr. Obama does not really believe in democracy – here – much less anywhere else. Mr. Obama makes President Carter look good. That’s something I thought was not possible.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:46pmI never thought that was possible either but shortly into his presidency I was wishing for Carter!!
Report Post »glennrocks
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:53pmNobody loves Obama, except Obama. Why are we giving Egypt 2 billion dollars a year? Our schools have no money. STOP IT.
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:52pmWho the F*** are we to be tough on Egypt? Let them deal with their own problems, we have enough of our own.
Report Post »citygirl56
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:49pmBarry needs to keep his grubby little fingers out of other people’s pie. He can’t lead here, what makes him think that he can lead there…….
Report Post »ItsallaboutJesus
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:52pmExcellent point!
Report Post »thinkingoutloud
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:48pmNotice it didn’t take even a day for protestors in NYC and DC to carry the same preprinted signs?
Report Post »Capt_Spalding
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:36pmApparently Egypt and the rest of the world has not heard about the “kinder, gentler” United States. Why, we now make a date night out of of The State of the Union and all but sit on each other’s lap while watching our presidentdo his best to flush our republic down the can.
And when are these Egyptians going to come out and admit that it was Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck that got them all rawled up! I bet that’s why they trashed that CNN camera… cuz they all watch FOX News!
Report Post »ItsallaboutJesus
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:41pmGive ‘em a few minutes and they will come to that conclusion!
Report Post »drawls
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:32pmIt will be interesting to see Mubarak step down, if his life is not being threatened.A peaceful takeover of government. Never seen or heard of it, I must remain skeptical.
Report Post »Alan
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:28pmObama caught in a dilemma: How to praise Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak without seeming to praise Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. His spokesman, Spin-meister Gibson, says, “Doctor’s suspect that President Obama’s ability to speak out of both sides of his mouth has been weakened by months of constant over-reliance of speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Surgery could well be in the offing to repair the damage.”
Report Post »ItsallaboutJesus
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:38pmLol.That’s good!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:50pmObama take a bow.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:24pmFour minutes of BS That’s what we get out of him no matter what the occasion or how long he talks.
Report Post »Nigel2
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:27pmObama is clueless and in WAY over his head. Look at how he handled the Iranian voter fraud. All that was needed was for him to say he supported independence in Iran and things might have been different. I wish he would let Hillary run foreign policy. We would be far better off.
Report Post »bbdarthchris077
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:22pmObama has no place to be tough are not. Yes we have interests over there but its not our country. Would you want some one over from X country telling us how to conduct our business.
Report Post »what4
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:25pmLike China told Barry a couple of weeks ago???
Report Post »bbdarthchris077
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:44pmDo like China telling us what to do?
Report Post »downbad
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 12:40amThey are replacing one US owned dictator with another:
Report Post »http://www.prisonplanet.com/mohamed-elbaradei-globalist-pied-piper-of-the-egyptian-revolt.html
Showtime
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 12:53amLike, China IS telling us what to do.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 3:43amWe have someone from X country sitting in the oval office destroying our country as we speak.
He will support any dictator that can be placed into the One World Government. He is a puppet put in place to carry out orders to destroy our Republic and he will not stop. He hates America and will have mobs in the streets here before the 2012 election. I believe the plan was to get him in place and never have another election in the U.S. He wants to be dictator and have a WORLD rock star job, he will not support the American people, only use them to reach his goals of Globalization.
If he gets and uses the KILL SWITCH on the internet, he will have the revolution in the streets in the US that he wants. Then when it is all over, he can reign supreme.
Eblaze44
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:20pmit’s time to either be pro democracy and aid those that want democracy – or get out. of course – since I believe that Obama would like to have the same power – he’ll probably side wit Mubarak
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:31pmHas Obama Been Tough Enough With Egypt?
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Would you like to see Nancy Pelosi as a Playboy centerfold ?
BMartin1776
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:32pmThats easy to answer.. NO!
I am not a devout fan of Michael Savage but he made an excellent analogy btwn Obamas support of Iran vs Egypt. Obama was silent when the people rose up against the radicals in power in Iran…. in Egypt he is supporting the uprising which has been co-opted by… you guessed the radicals! Listen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gA0ccsQ9og
Many fear the Muslim Brotherhood will capitalize off of this uprising and seize power. If your not familiar with them, they are the bad guys. I believe Bin Ladens #2, Ayman al-Zawahiri came from them. Regardless Obama was silent with the Iranian uprising and is now vocal here. Worst off he “condemned” the disconnect of twitter, facebook, internet access by the Egyptians yet just today posted here on the Blaze “Committee Passes Plan for Internet ‘Kill Switch’ in Egy.. — U.S”
Can anyone say hypocrite?
Take back America through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:42pmObama tough? LOL…..
Report Post »troyvar
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:43pmCheez, I threw up a little…yuk!
Report Post »John 1776
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:47pmThis has been a clear example of what two years of botched foreign policy by a POTUS with no experience leads to. All of his policy speeches come out in “retrospect” long after the critical time has passed. His policy appears to be “hindsight is 20/20 so I‘ll wait until it’s over and then pretend that’s the way I wanted it to work out.”
Report Post »bbdarthchris077
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:48pm@Cheezwhiz thank you a lot for that video of Santa Cruz town hall meeting that was funny as heck.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:52pmLet’s hope and pray that a new government in Egypt is democratic, friendly with Israel and not anti-American. It could go either way and there are evil powers behind the scenes like the Muslim Brotherhood. but I think the majority just want to be free of Mubarak who has been in power for over 30 years. We could do a lot worse than Mubarak, however his time has passed and will most likely be gone soon. The dominos are falling in the Middle East and l hope secular governments emerge.
Report Post »So
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:52pm“Has Obama Been Tough Enough With Egypt?”
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Have they found Obama’s original birth certificate yet?
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 8:54pmOh, by the way, Obama is clueless, probably having another deer in the headlights moment.
Report Post »Large Eagle
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:04pmI wouldn’t want to see Pelosi in Playboy but a an airport body scan would be nice .
Report Post »Then we could see after all those face lifts whether those are shoulder pads or her breast.
Cemoto78
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:07pmObama/ Present
Report Post »Curator_JDR
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:11pmObama will never stand for freedom. He will not stick up for the safety of the Christian Copts in Egypt (who used to be the majority). He didn’t demand internet access be turned on for the Iranians, many of whom truly despise Islam. No. He will stick up for the Muslim Brotherhood in free democratic elections.
http://www.marcrubin.com/obama.ivnu
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:40pmGeee Cheeze did you get ahold of a bad mushroom? LOL
Obama…the black stay puff marshmallow man…
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 9:49pmI found this interesting …
http://www.vote.com/mmp_printerfriendly.php?id=2512
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 10:33pmSince the Suez canal is under their control, President Obama can not afford to offend the government – as the price of oil will be much too expensive. Also what is said in public is not necessarily what is said in private. http://wp.me/pYLB7-y9
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:22pm@CHEEZWHIZ –
Report Post »Only if they put her picture into a bullseye for target practice for the guys. No, they wouldn’[t even want to look at her for that. They would spray paint her face out so they wouldn’t have to look at her. Which answers the question — NO!!!
Creestof
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:26pmHe has no intention of being “tough”…they are all too busy trying to manipulate the crisis so when it is all over, yet another cooperative puppet is running things who will do as we ask behind closed doors. Human rights, democracy…will have nothing to do with it.
Report Post »Creestof
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:41pm“Dear Mubby buddy,
We are going to withold the 1.5 billion we had spoke of…and instead we’ll squeeze our tax payers more and send you 11.5 billion…under the table of course. You go ahead and take 5 billion for your trouble. In return we expect you to name a cabinet and VP of our choosing. We will then announce the increase aid package of the remaining 6.5 billion to our citizens…citing our desire to get the new government off the ground. How much they skim off the top is up to them…remind them to be discrete though.
Who we choose will then shortly announce the month and day of democratic elections and (obviously) phony reforms. We are already preparing the fake election results so that our man will remain in power, as well as re-writing your history so you come out smelling like a rose.
Start planning on which country you want to live in luxury for the rest of your life.
As usual, we are always glad to use you for our own gain.
Report Post »Your benevolent master,
America”
click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:45pm“Would you like to see Nancy Pelosi as a Playboy centerfold ?”
Looks like I’m the one that will have the headache tonight. Sorry dear, I’m not in the mood, I just saw a picture of Nancy naked.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:52pmIf you truly want to understand the situation and history…go to: Front Page Magazine (David Horowitz)…”Losing-Egypt!
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/01/27/losing-egypt/
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 29, 2011 at 11:53pmIt was a pathetic speech…would not have expected any better from the “liar in chief”…
Report Post »nothingbuthetruth
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 2:08amHe was much tougher on the people of Honduras. I will NEVER forget how he sided with dictators over the will of free people of Honduras. He cut of aid to them too.
Report Post »101
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 3:57amObama was harder on the Cambridge police department. WTF!
Quote: Cambridge Cops “Acted Stupidly” In Prof. Gates Arrest
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LucTPdK8VTc
Shoot-To-Kill
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 7:27am@Showtime
Report Post »Sorry, but you can‘t use Pelosi’s picture for a target. She’s so ugly her picture repels bullets ! I’ve already tried it.
lillianrose
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 8:16am@ SO – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q&feature=related
as they say… “Hey- look- an eagle”
Report Post »Jackers
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 8:50amWhat’s new? Barack Obama always sits on the fence trying to please everyone so that he ends up pleasing no one.
Has Barack Obama ever taken a strong stand on any issue other than on ones that might hurt America – wide-open borders, his lawsuit against Arizona, his push for civilian trials for foreign terrorists, his support of the Victory Mosque at Ground Zero…
Is Barack Obama a strong leader or just the worst kind of flip-flopping politico in constant “politicking” mode… Carefully calibrating his next move in order to look good for his next election…
We may not have always agreed with George W. Bush (his quest for amnesty for millions of illegal aliens) but at least he had convictions and stood firm on his convictions. He kept us safe after 911 and appeared strong throughout the world…
Barack Obama appears weak and has greatly threatened security around the world and right here in America.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 10:33amTough enough? I guess that depends on how tough he looks on his knees, groveling and calling America the great satin.
Report Post »snuss
Posted on January 30, 2011 at 10:58pmHas Obama Been Tough Enough With Egypt?
Last I heard he was partying down with his media palls, besides he sides with the sharia mosloms that are calling for destroying Israel.
Yes Virgina Barack Hussein Obama is a sharia moslom supporter.
America couldn’t have elected a more incompetent POTUS
Report Post »chazman
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 4:23pmThis is the 21st century. I submit we stay out of the business of other countries from now on. Maybe that is why they hate us … ya think? These politicians of ours are as*holes! They can’t do anything right! They specialize in ******* everybody off! So let’s continue to shrink government, put more of our hard earned money in our pockets, and make sure the rest of the world can see our middle fingers high up in the air!!
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