Hasidic NY Community Divided Over…Tank Tops for Women
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Williamsburg has a new voice for women’s fashion — Hasidic rabbis.
A spate of Yiddish posters calling on Orthodox Jewish women to avoid wearing “tank tops,” T-shirts and “clingy dresses” were papered all over South Williamsburg this week as temperatures climbed into the 90s.
And the women are heeding the admonishion.
“It could be 105 degrees out — you’ll never see any of my body,” said a Williamsburg woman, Sara Stern. “Our way of life is beautiful — very discreet.”
The tank top ban is the latest edict from the Central Rabbinical Congress, a council of rabbis known for enforcing strict moral codes on Hasidic women.
While plenty of folks will find the edict to be a sage guideline, you may not be surprised to learn that others are not as positive about this campaign. Here’s Gothamist to explain:
The flyers, which are in Hebrew, were issued by the Central Rabbinical Congress, a group of rabbis known for enforcing “strict moral codes” on Hasidic women. The signs are an attempt to dissuade women from shopping for the revealing clothing available at Manhattan department stores. Apparently there’s been a handful of “bad apples” more interested in fashion than modesty, and the CRC is on a mission to keep them covered. But Baruch Herzefeld told the Brooklyn Paper that the group is intimidating women in the neighborhood, saying “These men think they are doing God’s work, but they are fanatics — everyone in Williamsburg hates them.”
Well, maybe not everyone. This neighborhood is not exactly South Beach:
The Council’s edicts appear to be having an effect.
Several Williamsburg residents said that the posters’ message primarily detours young women from buying revealing blouses, shirts, and tops available in Manhattan department stores.
“A very small percentage of women wear this kind of clothing and even if they are they’re wearing them over long-sleeve shirts,” said a proprietor of Englander Dry Goods on Lee Avenue.
The neighborhood’s strict Orthodox women typically wear below-the-knee skirts, shirts whose sleeves go well past the elbow, and blouses that cover up the neck. No, it’s not exactly a burka, but put it this way: There is very little risk of sunburn on even the brightest summer days.
Stern said that the traditional dress is part of a thousand-year tradition of modesty among the Hasidic people — though there are a few “bad apples,” who flock to the latest trends.
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Comments (87)
Wes Hardin
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 3:02pmThere isn‘t a penny’s worth of difference between those religious nuts and the Taliban.
Report Post »PIL
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 4:08pmThere are huge differences between Hassidic Jews and the Muslims. Jews have never demanded special accomodation, in fact, if you‘re a really religious Jew then you’re probably gonna study at Yeshiva University, Baruch College, or maybe Brandeis if you want something more liberal but with kosher food. By the same token, they often live in their own neighborhoods, mind their own business, are productive citizens, send their kids to private religious schools, and as long as they don’t force tank top laws on women, they’re not doing any harm.
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odrade
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:56pmLooks like Jews might have more in common with Muslims than they like to admit.
Report Post »cromag11b
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 3:23pmLike the same God?
Report Post »TheKingfish
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:53pmI respect their traditions and admire the Hasidim for adhering to them. More woman should be modest instead of flagrantly flaunting their bodies. Now if the Hassidic parents and community would only put pressure on those perverted rabbis who are having sex with young girls and your boys, to resign and or turn them in to the police for prosecution. But instead they shame the young victims to keep silent while these perverts continue preying upon unsuspecting children, ruining the victims lives forever.
Report Post »Aijahlon
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:47pmA Partial List of Jewish Founded and Lead Orgs:
N.O.W., NAACP, NAACP Legal Defense Fund, ACLU, Center for American Progress, Planned Parenthood, SEIU, AFL-CIO, Open Society Institute – George Soros, World Bank, Federal Reserve System, The Social Democrats, USA (SD/USA), American Federation of Teachers, Southern Poverty Law Center, JDL, ADL, AIPAC-American Israeli Political Action, Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), Federation for American Immigration Reform, Green Party, National Abortion Federation, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Committee-The Jewish Lobby, World Zionist Organization, SDS, Queer Nation.
“Modern political history indicates a clear connection between being Jewish and being radical, Both as individual theorists and activists of the stature of Marx, Luxemburg, Trotsky and Emma Goldman, and as organized mass labor movements in, for example, revolutionary Russia and early 20th century Britain and the USA, Jews have made a disproportionate contribution to the Left.”
Jewish Mind Control Mechanisms:
Judaism, Marxism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, Civil Rights, Genocide Via Immigration, Anarchism, Freudianism, Millennium, Atheism, Feminism, Pornography, Homosexuality, The New Left (1960-Present), Jewish IQ, Eugenics, Zionism, and Judeo-Christianity.
The Jews are the biggest threat to America and the world.
Report Post »Aijahlon
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:49pmIn Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co. : “They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy’s armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in… It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America.” – George Washington
Report Post »Aijahlon
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:50pm-Benjamin Franklin, 1787, at the Constitutional Convention, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
“I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and penetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
“In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
“If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
Report Post »PIL
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 4:03pmAnyone can find a list of famous bad Jews. So what? There are bad Christians, bad Muslims, bad gays, bad Hindus, bad everything. In fact, some of those “Jews” weren’t even real Jews. Karl Marx for exmaple was an atheist who said religion was the opiate of the masses.
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Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:28pmAt least the hassidim are not trying to make the world Jewish.
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:56pmFor me I am sick to death of looking at women and children running around Everywhere half naked…..its tasteless and offends most of us.
Report Post »marcryan71
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:38pmModesty is so hard to find in this modern age. Temptation is everywhere…yes, it gets hot…as long as the person is covered and not exposing their body parts, they should wear what they can. If the Hasidic garb is only based on tradition…not the Bible…then, the women have a case to wear something not as heavy. Cover up ladies, please.
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 11:20amModesty should come from a woman’s heart, not a man’s rules.
Report Post »goodgrubguy
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:58amHonestly…..As long as they aren‘t being forced to cover up their faces and mandate behavior like driving or having to walk behind their men or not being in public with a man that you aren’t married or related to, I‘m don’t care what they wear. I think the gal in the pic above actually looks nice. But if she is punished for wearing something else, then that is a horse of a different color. Rule of thumb; wear what you want. If it is revealing, fine. As long as it is not too revealing. If it is a frumpy baggy sweater, fine too, and if you want to cover everything but the face, also fine but it is YOUR call, not Allah, the Mullah, Rabbi, minister, Priest or your man’s choice. We are free to choose here, that is hopefully why your are here.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:31amWhile I admire their modesty, it can’t trump common sense. You need to stay cool when it’s hot. If you don’t want to dress appropriately for the weather then you need to stay inside and out of sight.
Report Post »Neversaydie
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:01amYou know, If your a woman and you agree with the tradition fine, but you also have the right to be who you want to be without being ridiculed. This is America. When my family came over from Sicily in 1890 they adapted to the American way of life and introduced their culture to Americans not the other way around.
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:06amYep!
Report Post »Scrubmaster
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:25amAnother religion putting women in there place. Hateful religions like Islam,Mormanism and Hasidic Jews are all about controlling womens rights. They are all shameful religions.
Report Post »Red Bubba
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:48amGood observation Scrubmaster, thug culture “hos”, and for that matter, wives of democrats are free from such hateful suggestions.
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:05amIt doesn’t matter what neighborhood or what religion or group populates a district. Women should dress how they wish as long as it doesn’t violate public indecency laws. I don‘t care if they’re “ho’s” (must be what you think all women are, Red Bubba) or religious. My problem with the religious is the women don’t have a choice and if you think Chasidic women have a choice, you’ve got another think coming. They are strictly controlled by the male Chasidic community. Only here in America, they’re not put to death for stepping out of line.
Report Post »integrican
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:45pm@Scrubmaster who said: Hateful religions like Islam,Mormanism and Hasidic Jews are all about controlling womens rights. They are all shameful religions.
When I read this I had to rub my eyes and read it again. Although I am a Catholic, I live in Utah and I am literally surrounded by Mormons. (or LDS as they prefer to be called) My small community of about 375 houses, (commonly called a ‘bedroom community’) I would say that about 85% are LDS.
Report Post »I have heard the stories of some LDS not allowing non LDS to enter their lives or them not allowing their children play with non LDS children. Well here are the facts, I have never been treated with anything but respect and acceptance. My children play with their children all day long. My son goes to his scout meetings at the local LDS church. My daughter was just invited to go to a week long camp out with the ‘young womens’ club. (a group of young women who study the scriptures and generally learn to be modest and kind. Before we accepted, I questioned them about my daughter being prothesized and reading their scriptures and saying their prayers. They looked at me kind of funny and said they would never make my daughter feel uncomfortable and would accept her on this camp-out with open arms all the while respecting our faith. The women and the men in this religion dress to a modesty code. The women wear shirts that cover their shoulder caps as do the men and the women wear pants/shorts and their dresses are usually just above t
integrican
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:02pm@Scrubmaster (continued)
the knee or longer. They do this to cover what they call garments. They are underclothes that are like boxer shorts on the bottom and t-shirt with sleeves that cover their shoulder caps. They are good and honorable people. The man of the house is the one in charge. However, they wholeheartedly consult with their women on any decision made that concerns the household or family. The women do accept these rules and are proud to be considered good wives.
Now unless you may were referring to the FLDS, (Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints) you are exactly right. They are the polygamists that marry their own nieces at age 13. There is a huge difference between these two groups. It truly amazes me that people outside the state of Utah don’t know that there is a major difference with LDS and FLDS. The FLDS members were cast out under Brigham Young himself. BY also ended polygamy even though he himself had 20+ wives.
I truly don’t know how anyone could have multiple wives. I have enough trouble with only one.
end LDS lesson by Catholic resident of Utah.
Report Post »Red Bubba
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:29pmRed1492, I call BS. All they have to do is oe 3 blocks away and they will live in another world. No one is controlling them to the extent you suggest or keeping them against thier will.
Report Post »Red Bubba
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:21amIsn’t it great that we live in a country where the community can have this discussion. I am not Jewish, but I have visted that neighborhood. I was neat, clean, and honest. The people were very friendly, the deli I visted was fantastic, and they answered endless questions. A few blocks away, shabby dirty, ne’r do wells (perhaps worse) hanging around on the corners, no doubt one could find tank tops there if it mattered, yo.
Report Post »Mikhail Kennedy
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:37amThis story doesn’t matter, most people will be dressed in potato sacks soon enough.
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:01amI don’t remember the last time I saw a potato sack….though you’re probably right. However, I think we’ll all be dressed in walmart bags.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:13amWhen I was young, I got to go with Mom to pick out chicken feed………the printed sacks were what my clothes were made from……….hate printed fabric to this day!!! BUT, we survived. And lots of others’ clothes were chicken feed and flour sack fabric as well! :-)
Report Post »Counter-Culture Revolutionist
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:09amIn Middle Eastern culture, a woman’s shoulders, arms and ankles are considered particularly sexy. A scantily dressed woman is considered morally loose and provocative. She wants the attention of men. That is a truth. A woman who dresses immodestly may not be doing so deliberately or knowingly, but she is conveying that message to men.
Most women think men are “beasts” for being visually oriented; they have no concept of how different men are physically, emotionally and mentally. Women demand that men be like women but they not only deny men their rightful place in God‘s design but they also don’t accept their own beautiful femininity. Each sex complements one another if rightly understood.
Men, if you love your woman, encourage her to dress modestly, especially because we live in a society where pornography is rampant. Treat her like your cherished one, the jewel in your crown. Protect her from lewd looks and sexual assault. You are the guardian over the ones you love. Encourage your female children to dress modestly as well.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:37amBUT.. the beauty of it is… THIS IS AMERICA…. these rabbis are unable to pull women off OUR streets and imprison them…. and the opposite religious factions certainly cannot go sharia on the women and stone them to death for wearing a tank top in AMERICA.
Report Post »GringoBob
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:12amis this Weiner’s district ?
Report Post »GringoBob
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:14amthis Weiner = http://www.in12.us/NY.php
Report Post »SageInWaiting
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:10amHas this society descended so much that stating a desire for a moral standard is ridiculed? Is the depravity of the recent MTV awards is the new norm? Guys are visually stimulated creatures. By ALL means, I appreciate women who dress attractively and at the same time are comfortable but some go to the point of being a distraction. Isn‘t it the religious leaders’ duties to raise their concern within their communities? I definitely don‘t agree with certain views but as long as the women aren’t abused or harmed by the dress code, is it THAT bad? I‘m at an age that I don’t think people would appreciate ME in a muscle shirt. A bit of restraint, folks, on all sides, please.
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:00amNothing wrong with restraint at all – no argument from me there. But don‘t blame women for a man’s inability to control his sexual urges. That’s all on him. I don’t care if men are visual or not. If a grown woman want‘s to dress like a ****** even though I wouldn’t be caught dead in such get a get up, she still doesn’t deserve to be stoned, whipped or raped.
Report Post »wtd
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:00amAs a non-orthodox Jew, I have a problem with this signage. Admittedly, the signs are directed at devout followers of chasidic traditions – not the general public. The general public doesn’t read the Hebrew anyway. But, since it is directed at traditionalist chasids, this message would be best delivered in schul (temple). The devout attend services regularly enough to receive the information either directly or through tight family/social network within the chasidic community.
Report Post »The issue of ‘tank tops’ makes this appear that this is a sexist warning. As witnessed by this thread, the general public couldn‘t possibly know it isn’t sexist.
Unlike the misogynistic Islamic culture, chasidic males also conform to modestly restrictive & religiously appropriate apparel and hygiene (beards, long side burns, black top hats, coats,long sleeves). Unlike their fundamentalist muslim, male counterparts, the chasidic male does not enjoy shorts or wife-beater t-shirts in public on the hottest days either.
Although the Chasidic community will not enforce their dress code on the general public, I do find these posters unnecessarily provocative to the non-chasidic community at large.
dizzyinthedark
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:56amHow is it beards are considered hygienic in the Hasidic or muslim culture for that matter? Food particles, mucus, sweat all contribute to bacteria build up. Ever kiss someone with a beard?–YUK! Pretty stinky.
Report Post »Karama
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:30amI don’t think so. Keeping my tank tops and shorts thanks. Besides I have the best modesty ever, my gun. If that won‘t keep a mans mind from straying where it shouldn’t be I don’t know what would.
Report Post »Doc
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:27amSo Karma, you think walking around half naked brandishing a gun is proper etiquette? Where do you carry it or do you just wave it around in the direction of the nearest male? “Don’t even think it. buddy – I’ll plug ya!?
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:56amAgreed and doesn’t both the Bible and Torah say if something offends you to pluck out your own eyes? Religion likes to blame women for men responding to them sexually. According to the ancient books, men can’t control their urges so women have to be controlled. If religious men are so distracted and put off by a tube top and shorts, then maybe they should blind themselves. I lived in the middle east for a long time and though I support Israel as an independent democratic country, they aren’t that much different from the rest of the arab world when it comes to women. And yes, they do stone.
Report Post »Balthazor
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:55pmWow, really? I mean it sounds to me like you’re talking about walking around in a tank top and threatening to shoot any man who might think of checking out the goods. That seems pretty inhuman.
Report Post »Navyveteran
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:42pmRed1492
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:56am
Agreed and doesn’t both the Bible and Torah say if something offends you to pluck out your own eyes?
Actually red the Bible says if your eye causes you to sin to pluck it out. Mat 18:9, if you’re a Christian woman there is good reason to dress modestly. “[It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.” In other words if you dress provactively and you cause your brother or sister to stumble into sin you as well are in sin. Also God commands women to dress modestly, “I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes’” 1Timothy 2:9 The reason is that us children of God should not bring any undue attention to our selves by the way we dress, wear our hear, or jewelry. Although this scripture addresses women I believe this also goes for men as well. Just that women are more into attracting attention we are supposed to be attracting attention to our Lord, not us. However, if you’re not a Christian woman then dress the way you want, however if you’re a Christian woman I would suggest reading these scriptures and pray the Lord show you how you should dress.
Report Post »Karama
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:27amWow good thing I don’t live near them. They would pass out. I think I will be keeping my tank tops and shorts thanks. I don’t get people like this. I believe in dressing for the weather. If it‘s hot you wear less if it’s cold you put more on. I’m not going to die of heat stroke or frost bite for anyone. Besides how much of this is really “God’s Law” and how much is it them just trying to be controlling jerks?
Besides I’ve always said that if you want a woman to truly be modest she should be packing a gun at all times that will stop most men from thinking the wrong things.
Report Post »thomasnash1027
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:03amYou believe in “dressing for the weather”, they believe in dressing for G-d. They don’t try to impose this on people of other faiths, in fact they care very little about what others do or wear. So you can keep your tanks and shorts. But isn’t it much easier to hide a gun under modest clothing?
Report Post »burned at edges
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:13pmNothing wrong with modesty, but with all those clothes on I have to say that girl looks hot;)
Report Post »ZAP
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:26amAnd don`t forget to cover your Weiner
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:19amAh, modesty, a refreshing thought!
As someone who would “fry” in the sun if I wasn’t careful, I dress with long sleeves and covered legs every summer! Light, cotton, cooling clothing.
Report Post »dpselfe
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:13amI‘ll bet the rabbis don’t stone the women who violate this “policy”.
WWMD (What Would Mohammed Do)? …………stone them…that’s what.
Report Post »Mannax
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:33amMohammad would say that they were still not covered enough even if they were following Hasidic traditions… then have then beaten or stoned.
Report Post »Zay Gezunt
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:41amAs a matter of fact, they will throw stones at immodest dressers in the Mea Sharim ultra Orthodox Jewish area of Jerusalem. During Israel’s war of independence, the residents stoned Israeli soldiers for riding on the Sabbath.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:12amThere is much to be said for modesty – especially in today’s society where there is a tremendous lack of it
Report Post »foobear
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 6:46amModesty is overrated.
It has a paradoxical effect on people – something that proponents of it don’t realize.
Report Post »foobear
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:07amAfter walking away, I just pictured in my head the kind of responses the above post would get. Half misquoting the Biblical verses on uncovering nudity (and, yet again, READ the verses people, don’t quote what just what you think they say) and the other half talking about men being animals who can’t control their sex drive.
I’ll answer both – first, nudity (let alone walking around in swimwear at the beach) isn’t sinful. The verses on uncovering nudity deal specifically with incest and incest-by-marriage. Read them. To the contrary, we have a verse of a female in the Bible rushing to greet her unmarried lover, naked, at night. (Song of Solomon 5:2-8). Plus, Adam and Eve in their sinless state were naked, and not ashamed. Shame comes from sin.
Secondly, women are kept well-covered in order to prevent them from “enticing” men with their bare skin. However, this paradoxically results in the opposite result. In cultures with the greatest repression of women (the Middle East), you find high levels of rape. Certainly a woman covered head-to-toe in clothing can’t be enticing men with their bare skin! And yet you see high levels of sexual predation. Likewise orthodox Jews and fundies get inordinately turned on by rather tame displays of flesh. But on topless beaches in France, the opposite is true. The lesson, brothers and sisters, for those of us worried about the temptations of the flesh, is that making something secret and mysterious inflames desire, rather than sooth
Report Post »dizzyinthedark
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:17amI’ll never forget shopping in a little grocery store on a North Pacific Island hoping to find a box of Cheerios (hadn’t had them over a year) and to my amazement the women were topless, but they must NEVER show their thighs–go figure! Never did get my box of Cheerios cause another boat had bought all the boxes before me–hogs!!
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:03amjews
Report Post »neuron
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:06amThis response is to Footbear. First, like the name Footbear, cool. Second, this is not the format to get into details on modesty, feminism, and the Torah’s position on nudity. However, let me briefly answer by telling you it is an issue of repsect for men and their nature that women voluntarily agree to “cover-up.” It is also a response to feminism, who started off proclaiming that women are equal to men. However, the feminsim that won the internal feminist argument, was to say women are the SAME as men, which is why you find the girls today take off all their clothes, to show they are NOT men. The real feminism, the kind Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman live says that women are equal, but different. The Orthodox women are sending the same message. There is something to be said about modesty as Kaydeebeua said.
Report Post »You are correct Adam and Eve were naked, until they REALIZED they were naked after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The KNOWLEDGE they were naked and that they put clothes ON was a recognition of what the knowledge does to the sexes. Nudity is not a sin, knowing you are naked and understanding nakendess is different.
Jewish communities are freely chosen, mostly because they agree with the Rabbi’s.
DTOM_Jericho (escaped PA)
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:37am@DIMMUBORGIR
Report Post »Make sure you say that safely tucked behind a keyboard.
Red1492
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:49amAhhh, the next step to the Burka and Abaya.
Report Post »sing it out
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 12:40pm@ kaydeebeau
Report Post »You’re right, and I might add that it is really not difficult to dress trendy and stylish yet also modestly. I know; I do it every day. There’s stuff out there that can flatter and be attractive without being trashy. I want a guy to appreciate me for who I am, not because of how much skin I’m showing!
silentwatcher
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 1:45pmThey like it over here in America,,,,that’s why they are trying to change it and make it just like where they came from.
Report Post »FuturePresident
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 2:43pmThis is messed up. Who cares about modesty when freedom is at risk. The AMERICAN way of life is dying, gl.
Report Post »PIL
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 4:10pmIt’s their neighborhood, if they want to put signs advocating anything, that’s a first amendment right. Besides, if it was a Muslim neighborhood, they would not be asking, they would be beating you up if you don’t conform with their laws. Call me crazy, but when was the last time a gang of Hassidic Jews raped a girl? Oh wait, Jewish gangs don’t exist.
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Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 4:16pmWomen (and men) who dress modestly are more attractive.
Just put a classy dressing, dignified woman next to one who dresses shabby, revealing all her goods and the difference is obvious to most real men.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 4:35pmWhiteFang,
Good to see your still here.
My thought is, dressing with modesty is a indicator of self respect and by extension, respect for others. Some who dress overly casual usually have a low opinion of themselves and is a indicator of their personality. On occasion I will dress very casual around the house and if I have to go to the store real quick for some milk, hopefully I won’t meet a friend to see me in that embarrassing condition.
Report Post »its_time_to_arrest_our_government
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 7:53pmi just happen to like a hot looking woman in a hot little summer dress. just because she looks good dont mean she out to get laid. looking great is not a crime.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 9, 2011 at 8:37pmIts odd.
Everybody rushes to criticise islam for dictating women‘s dress code but when Rabbi’s do it, the response is, at best, muted.
I agree that they are not calling for the full burqua but it is, frankly, none of their business.
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Posted on June 9, 2011 at 9:05pmI’m with FOOBEAR on this one.
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Posted on June 9, 2011 at 10:26pmFoobear said above; “nudity (let alone walking around in swimwear at the beach) isn’t sinful.”
I don’t think we are talking about sin here, isn’t it about dressing to either elevate our dignity or dressing down to damage our worth in the eyes of others. There is a lack of class in our society that is regrettable. Just walk around in a WalMart and you can see it. :-(
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Posted on June 10, 2011 at 2:11am@Oldtrucker: Sure. There’s people that can dress well, and people that can dress badly – but this is true of how much or how little clothing they wear. But these are all questions of taste and social expectations. As much as I hate to see a man wearing a speedo, this is considered acceptable by Europeans and professional swimmers. It’s not a religious issue, though, in and of itself.
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Posted on June 10, 2011 at 12:45pmThey call the Hasidic men penguins in the strip clubs and by the hookers on the avenue. They go to bed with garbage and take the sexual diseases home to their wives and that folks is the dirty little secret in the Hasidic community in NYC. By the way there call penguins because they dress in black and white.
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