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‘Hate Religion, But Love Jesus’ Creator Jefferson Bethke Discusses Controversial Viral Video on GBTV

When 22-year-old Jefferson Bethke created “Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus,” the now-viral video about Jesus and religion, he had no idea the response would be so fervent. As of today, the short clip has been viewed 15.8 million times on YouTube and has gained wide-spread media attention. Christians and non-believers, alike, are buzzing about it, while showering the young artist with both praise and criticism.

On Friday, Bethke spoke with the Blaze’s Editor-in-Chief Scott Baker on GBTV’s “For the Record,” addressing the controversy, his intentions and his strong faith perspective.

Scroll down to see the GBTV interview with Bethke

 

Hate Religion, But Love Jesus Creator Jefferson Bethke Discusses Controversial Viral Video With Blaze Editor in Chief Scott Baker on GBTV

Here are a few of the lines from the original video that caused angst among some who felt that the artist’s insinuations about religion were too harsh and unfair:

What if I told you Jesus came to abolish religion? [...]

I mean, if religion is so great, why has it started so many wars?

Why does it build huge churches but fails to feed the poor? [...]

Not realizing religion’s like spraying perfume on a casket

See, the problem with religion is it never gets to the core

It’s just behavior modification, like a long list of chores

Supporters claim that his lyrics were likely intended to encourage viewers to focus faith upon Jesus rather than traditions, rituals and “works.” But lines like those presented above (others, including “Jesus and religion are on opposite spectrums” and “So know I hate religion, in fact I literally resent it” only added fuel to the fire) offended those who consider religious confines important to their worship experience.

For a refresher, here’s the original video:

In addressing these comments, particularly those controversial remarks at the beginning of the clip, Baker asked, ”Did you want this to be…a punch of the face to traditional religion?”

“No, not necessarily,” Bethke responded. “My hope in that beginning was trying to draw in the people who I engage with on a daily basis in my Seattle college context. And those are just some of the lines and some of the paradigms I see.”

Bethke went on to explain that he created the video so that he could share his struggles, while highlighting Jesus’ attributes. His goal, he said, was to take on the common characteristics of religion he sees in his local area.

In addressing the controversy over his words, he was candid, saying that he believes that much of the divide over his take on religion centers upon semantics.

“In my context, I’m in Seattle — religion, in shorthand, is defined as legalism, self-righteousness, self-justification,” he explained. “Once I put the video out, I realized a lot of people in the nation don’t define it as that.”

He went on to further clarify his stance, saying, “Religion as the institution and as the church — as Jesus’ bride — that is God’s plan A and there is no plan B. So I don’t want to abolish that. I don’t want to turn from that. And that’s where God is manifest.”

Watch a portion of the GBTV interview, below:

GBTV subscribers can see the full 20-minute interview with Bethke by clicking here (non-subscribers can also get a 14-day free trial!).

In the Wall Street Journal yesterday, Jonathan D. Fitzgerald delved into reaction to the video:

Kevin DeYoung, a blogger at “The Gospel Coalition,” a popular Reformed Christian site, wrote that “amidst a lot of true things in this poem there is a lot that is unhelpful and misleading.”

Mr. Bethke, he notes, “perfectly captures the mood, and in my mind the confusion, of a lot of earnest, young Christians“ who interpret the word religion to mean ”self-righteousness, moral preening, and hypocrisy.” The problem, Mr. DeYoung notes, is this is not what religion is, and Jesus didn’t hate religion. Jesus was an observant Jew, Mr. DeYoung points out. Jesus clearly said he didn’t come to abolish the law or ignore the prophecies but to fulfill them. In fact he founded the church and instituted the sacrament of communion.

Fitzgerald went on to state his own qualms with Bethke’s video. He addresses what he sees as mischaracterizations, particularly when it comes to charity, violence and religion with no restrictions. In addition to making a case for religions and related generosity, he mentioned the fact that most prominent mass murders in the 20th century occurred for nonreligious reasons and he noted the problems that can arise when pastoral rhetoric goes unchecked.

Hate Religion, But Love Jesus Creator Jefferson Bethke Discusses Controversial Viral Video With Blaze Editor in Chief Scott Baker on GBTV

Fitzgerald concludes, “…advocating for a kind of Christianity that is free of the ‘bondage’ of religion opens the door to dangerous theological anarchy that is all too common among young evangelicals and absolutely antithetical to biblical Christianity.”

On Christianity Today’s Her.meneutics blog for women, Laura Ortberg Turner also addressed these issues. While she seems to understand why some believers find frustration in the video, she offers a more moderate perspective on Bethke and his take on religion:

I’m guessing Bethke doesn’t actually hate religion. In fact, I would bet my last dollar that he loves it. As we are told in James, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” In fact, it sounds strikingly similar to where Bethke claims ‘religion’ falls short: “Why does it build huge churches, but fails to feed the poor/Tells single moms God doesn’t love them if they’ve ever had a divorce?” [...]

In all of this, Bethke has remained a picture of grace and humility. He has responded, with class to those of us who have been quick to criticize and condemn. What Bethke was really protesting, it would seem, is faith without works. Empty rhetoric and selfish thinking. Building testaments to our own greatness and abandoning the widow and the orphan. What we need now is not less religion, indeed, but more than ever.

Hate Religion, But Love Jesus Creator Jefferson Bethke Discusses Controversial Viral Video With Blaze Editor in Chief Scott Baker on GBTVIn terms of his purported “grace and humility,” Turner also noted Bethke‘s response to DeYoung’s critiques. The artist responded to the blogger via e-mail and was entirely honest and open about how he’s processing the response to his video. In addition to being humble in addressing criticisms, Bethke even said that, if he could do it again, he would further elaborate on some of the more sensitive points he addressed. Bethke wrote:

I just wanted to say I really appreciate your article man. It hit me hard. I’ll even be honest and say I agree 100%. God has been working with me in the last 6 months on loving Jesus AND loving his church. For the first few years of walking with Jesus (started in ’08) I had a warped/poor paradigm of the church and it didn’t build up, unify, or glorify His wife (the Bride). If I can be brutally honest I didn’t think this video would get much over a couple thousand views maybe, and because of that, my points/theology wasn’t as air-tight as I would’ve liked. If I redid the video tomorrow, I’d keep the overall message, but would articulate, elaborate, and expand on the parts where my words and delivery were chosen poorly… My prayer is my generation would represent Christ faithfully and not swing to the other spectrum….thankful for your words and more importantly thankful for your tone and fatherly like grace on me as my elder. Humbled. Blessed. Thankful for painful growth. Blessings.

Atheists, too, got in on the criticism. A well-known non-believer who calls himself “The Amazing Atheist” posted a long-winded response, explaining why he hates both Jesus and religion. You can watch it, below (caution: strong language):

Bethke’s video, it seems, has taken Tim Tebow’s place as the most talked about contemporary faith controversy. Of course, considering the power and fury of viral news and content, this could quickly change. And on the Tebow front, well — there’s always next season (i.e. the famed football and his signature “Tebowing” will be back). For now, it’s all Bethke, all the time.

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  • WISEPENNY
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 6:00pm

    The kid is right on the dot.

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    • FreedomPurveyor
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 10:07pm

      He is far more enlightened than most. I am impressed.

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    • WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges07
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 11:52pm

      This poser already had his 15 seconds of fame.
      Nothing more to see here.
      Move along. Move along.

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 8:40am

      Nothing on the blaze about the South Carolina Primary ? But stories on sledding, and star wars , love the blaze, but Drudge has twenty five hard hitting heaines, can ya’l steal some from him ? By the way NEWT WON……

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    • snotice1
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 8:42am

      that “amazing athiest” guy needs a hug cause he seems to be upset with the world.

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    • NeoFan
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 11:00am

      Christian is a verb not a noun. That is what most people don’t get. You can say you believe but its meaningless without action. You are defined by your actions.

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    • PRRedlin
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 2:22pm

      Can I just say, as an atheist that I love the message this young man is spreading. I have never had a problem with the figure of Jesus, or his message. It has always been the message of the church that turns my stomach. Jesus himself was a figure who rebelled against society and doctrine, who questioned authority, and who brought to us a message of peace and brotherly love. In short Jesus was a hippy, a rebel-rouser. The modern church, if he were to come back, would not only not include him within their church, but would be threatened that his message would again destroy the power they hold over the masses.

      When atheists argue against christianity, this is what they argue against. Not jesus, or the message of Christ, but the church and their doctrines.

      I applaud this young gentleman, and I wish, WISH all religious folks were as intelligent and warm as this individual.

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    • Spatafizzle
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 3:44pm

      Wisepenny, check out this one. It’s much better.

      http://youtu.be/Ru_tC4fv6FE

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    • Spatafizzle
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 3:51pm

      This is a great review of this video:
      http://jimmyakin.com/2012/01/why-i-hate-people-hating-on-religion.html

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    • Spatafizzle
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 3:51pm

      And this is another great review of Bethke’s video:
      http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=24948

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    • Spatafizzle
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 3:52pm

      And this is another great review of this video:
      http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=24948

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    • The Azorian
      Posted on January 23, 2012 at 1:40pm

      I totally agree! The message of Jesus doesn’t belong to any specific religious group, it belong to each one of us at an individual basis.

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  • Benjamin Abruzzo
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:59pm

    I want you all to think on this:

    In it’s pure, original form religion was a compliment to faith. But over time there has been a load of corruption. The Church (Catholic of the Dark Ages) asking for Indulgences, The Inquisition, pedifile priest cover-ups, the witch trials, and so on are just the glaring examples of religion with no true faith.

    Even on The Blaze, you see “religious christians” striking out in arrogance and hate when questioned about their religion.

    What you all miss is there is a divide between the faith (beliefs in God, Jesus, the Word and teachings) and religion ( the organizations and structures that rule like mini-governments). I don‘t know if that’s what this young man was seeing and commenting on, but that‘s what I’ve seen on The Blaze since Christmas and for decades before.

    And it’s all made worse when “christians” argue that “their religion is better than your religion” when the faith is supposed to be the same. Same Jesus, same God, same faith… different church and religion.

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    • Captain Crunch
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:11pm

      “And it’s all made worse when “christians” argue that “their religion is better than your religion” when the faith is supposed to be the same. Same Jesus, same God, same faith… different church and religion.”

      It IS the same faith in the Christian church, wether people are Catholic, Protestant, Morman, etc. As long as they believe Jesus is the Son of God and risen from the dead for them personally. I have seen some bashing of the Mormons but that is mainly from people who don’t like Beck. We all have some error in our beliefs depending on our church teachings, but Christ will set all of that on the corrected path someday. There has definetely been bad words about Muslems on this site, including from me. They are sworn to kill us if they get the opportunity. As far as Islam is concerned, they DO NOT worship the same God. They worship Satan who is lying about his name, but their deeds tell the truth abut who their god really is. I appreciate your comment and can agree with you in many ways. I just felt a need to clarify about other religions, especially the evil one. Different churches or deniminations are not the same as different “religions”.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 7:26am

      John 4:23-24 23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
      24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

      Romans 8;9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

      Acts 2:37-39 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
      38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
      39. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

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    • FantaGirl
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 8:14am

      @ Captain Crunch
      A True Muslim does worship the same God. The Majority of Muslims have been corrupted in the middle east. Muslims do not worship Satan. And while you seem to have a completely clear view on your fellow Christians, your view on Muslims is extremely distorted. It also appalls me that some people translate the Qu’ran incorrectly, and sometimes it is blatantly on purpose. The only Qu’ran quotations you can trust are ones in Arabic.

      Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right (3:113-115 AYA).

      Nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: Because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant (5:85 AYA/82 MP).

      Muslims do not worship the devil. It is an atrocity that some Muslims have “strayed from the path of righteousness” and do not “befriend the People of the Book, as they worship the same God, and follow God in The Torah and the Bible”. I beg you to study the Islamic religion before giving all Muslims the same ‘brand-name’ as the Terrorist

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    • FantaGirl
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 8:26am

      On another note, The Qu’ran says that those who kill for any reason other than self-defense go to hell.
      The Qu’ran has been distorted from the time of Muhammad, so there are now two sections; sort of like the Old and New Testament. The “Old Testament” of the Qu’ran is almost exactly like the Bible. I ask you to read the first part of the Qu’ran. You will be familiar with it. However, if you read the second part of the Qu’ran, it is very violent and exactly what many Terrorists/Suicide Bombers/Al Quaida “Muslims” follow. Someone between the years 570 and now someone has gone back to the Qu’ran and added this section. They also conveniently added to it that “The latter words of the Qu’ran supercede the former”. Some radical Muslims took to this latter part of the Qu’ran, and they did what Liberals do; they go after the children. From the age of 2, they indoctrinate children in the Middle East to believe that the U.S. is evil, that People of the Book should be killed, and it’s horrible. I only hope that this problem will eventually be gone, that we can beat these terrorists, and that they will fix the Middle Eastern Schools.
      Thank you for reading and God bless.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 1:48pm

      to fantangirl…………you are wrong.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 1:59pm

      @Fanta,

      You deserve a thoughtful response to a thoughtful & peaceful post. I appreciate what you are saying, however I have these things to offer regarding the God of the Bible & Allah of the Qu’ran being the same God.

      If the God of the Bible & Allah of the Qu’ran were one & the same, shouldn’t their words agree? If not shouldn’t we conclude that they are not the same? Sticking w/ the non-violent half that you assert is the original, uncorrupted version I offer this:

      You quote the following:

      Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the Signs of Allah … they hasten … good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right (3:113-115 AYA).
      &
      “Nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians” “…(5:85 AYA/82 MP)

      What does the Qu’ran (the good half) teach regarding the Jews?

      The God of the Bible makes clear He is the God of Avraham, Yitz’chak and Ya`akov (Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob) – over 10 times does he refer to Himself by that name in the Old Testament & 5 times in the New. Essentially He has identified Himself by His relationship w/ Israel. Nowhere in the Bible does He refer to Himself as the God of Ishmael – clearly if He intended such He would have done so before Mohamed (who came on the world scene ~600 yrs after Christ was crucified &

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    • Luke21
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 2:01pm

      @Fanta cont.

      A faithful, biblically sound, Christian will acknowledge that our God is a Jewish God – and His Christ Yeshua (Jesus)- the Son of God – the Son of David – the Son of Adam: in His flesh is Jewish. We cannot ignore that, & we cannot ignore the warnings of the Apostle Paul (also a Jew, an Israelite) regarding the forsaking of the natural branch (Romans 11), nor the fact that when He (Jesus) returns to establish His Kingdom on earth it will be from the throne of David in Jerusalem (Luke 1:32).

      What does the Qu’ran teach regarding the person of Yeshua (Jesus) Christ? God or a prophet?

      Jesus never claimed to be a prophet – on the contrary He claimed to be God. He forgave sins & accepted worship – something only God has right to do (e.g. Mark 2, Luke 5:18-26, John 20:28)

      Jesus Christ claimed to be the voice of the burning bush (Exodus 3:14), the great “I AM” & held all accountable for knowing it. Read John chapter 8 carefully & see two key verses in particular:
      Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

      Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58)

      Yeshua, Christ, never even mentioned Ishmael nor did He prophesy regarding Mohamed – on the contrary He stated that the Law & the prophets were till John the Baptist

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    • Luke21
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 2:01pm

      @Fanta cont.
      (meaning that John was the last prophet), for one Greater than John was here (speaking of Himself – the Son of God) – John 5, Matthew 11 & Luke 16.

      Christians (disciples of Christ) acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (meaning He too is God) & that His sacrificial death on the Cross atoned (paid for) man’s sins before the Holy, Just, & Righteous God (made up of Father, Son, & Holy Spirit). Does the Qu’ran, did Mohamed, teach that Jesus Christ is God & He atoned for the sins of mankind? Or does it call Him a prophet & does it say that your own good deeds will make you right w/ Allah?

      Christianity (the Bible) teaches that all men sin & fall short of God’s glory. They are hopelessly lost, however Jesus Christ (Emmanuel – God with us), while we were yet sinners died for us. He IS the Passover Lamb. He became sin on the Cross so that we could have His righteousness & stand before God justified (Isaiah 53, Psalms 22). We cannot earn our way to Paradise – it is the free gift of God who gave His only begotten (of the same kind) Son that whosoever believes upon – trusts in, clings to – Him shall never perish but have everlasting life.

      We can conclude that the God of the Bible & Allah of the Qu’ran are not the same as they clearly contradict one another (both in the nature of Jesus Christ & purpose & method of Salvation). So either the Bible is the true Word of God, or the Qu’ran, or neither – but they both can’t b

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    • Luke21
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 2:02pm

      @Fanta cont. finally,

      I do believe you are sincere in your belief – but I also believe you are sincerely wrong. I pray the Lord reveal Himself to you. Two good sources for you might be http://www.gladnewsministry.com/ & http://www.shoebat.com

      May the living God (Joel 2:27) bless you & pour out His grace & peace to you

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    • Buchanan16
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 3:33pm

      you couldn’t have said it any better. this is where many people fail to realize that FAITH and RELIGION are two seperate things. its really what this kids message is and flying right over peoples heads.

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    • Bro. Chuck
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 4:12pm

      A step further to expand the thought.

      Keep in mind there is also a difference in this way:
      the idea is to desire relationship with Creator… Elohim.
      through all the ages, all the generations, The goal was to return to Him.

      YahShuah (Jesus) was the Ultimate manifestation of God’s Love for His Creation….
      to once and for all establish The Way.

      “Religion” has always devolved through corruption and man’s usurpation of leadership.

      Ideally, yes, the children of YHWH should all have similar attributes and characteristics that could be described as their “religion”, yet even the meaning of the word “religion” has been diminished and diluted to the point that it’s primary definition now is merely what, an “ideology of worshiping a deity or higher power”?

      I don’t like using the word religion either.
      I didn’t “get” religion – I personally know my Redeemer.
      I came to understand that I was Created because my Father loved me and wanted me to come to know Him. I sought YahShuah and asked forgiveness because I know this flesh – this existence – ends at the grave. If i set my heart to follow and seek God’s Truths, He is Faithful to never forsake me.

      I would much rather have that Assurance, than to worry whether i have the right membership card, you know?

      Adonai, continue to pour out Your Spirit upon the nations.
      Reveal Your Truth, as well as your Grace and Forgiveness.
      Give your children Wisdom & Understanding so that we may return unto you…

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    • Bro. Chuck
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 4:49pm

      Be Bless’d, Bro. Luke…….

      Awesome, awesome postings…..

      FantaGirl, one of the things that has also caused the confusion with “religion” are the lies of satan into the ears of the children saying there are all these various “manifestations” of god….

      if you think about it, the very act of choosing “how i will worship my god” – by joining a “selected ”religion” or establishing a regime, or “process of works” – wouldn’t that be a disobedience to God, who wants us to worship him in Truth?
      And what is Truth?
      That He Created us to be in fellowship with Him. There was no sin…. there were no other gods. It wasn’t until we disobeyed, and corrupted everything.

      If we agree that God – the Creator of the Universe, Creator of Adam, Eve -
      bringer of the Flood, God of Abram.
      If we agree that “that” GOD was the same, and it is from HIM that all the different “factions”, interpretations, conceptions (as well as mis-conceptions), and ultimately all the different “religions” have come from, it is obvious that man’s attempts to create and understand God in “our own understanding” has really messed things up.

      God gave the Israelites the Torah… and established the Law … temple sacrifices… is Judaism then the cultural religion? Why sacrifices for a time, but now?… no longer.
      It was temporary because He wanted our relationship to be “personal”… not “ritual”
      The children needed to see, learn & understand.

      YahShua was rejected beca

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    • newmexicopatriots
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 10:07pm

      I completely agree with Benjamin Abruzzo’s comments…. I have watched this young man’s video numerous times, and I have felt as he does, that God is Pure, Jesus is Pure, but that (in general) Religion is corrupt and full of non biblical practices, and that (again, in general), the people don’t practice what they preach.

      I believe in the Gospel, I Believe in God, in Jesus, and in the Holy Ghost. I just worry, because, in my personal experience, people just pay lip service to the words of Jesus. They care on Sunday, and on Monday, go back to their worldly life. To paraphrase a Casting Crowns song…

      “Are we happy plastic people?
      Under shiny plastic steeples
      With walls around our weakness
      And smiles to hide our pain
      But if the invitation’s open
      To every heart that has been broken
      Maybe then we close the curtain
      On our stained glass masquerade”

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  • mbriz
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:31pm

    Religion is the root of all evil.

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    • go2gym
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 6:20pm

      Wrong. Explain an evil atheist.

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    • Captain Crunch
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:21pm

      Wrong. The love of money and the world is the root of all evil.

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    • Kirsten
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 8:15pm

      The love of money is the root of all evil.

      Kirsten  
    • DESKOCCUPANT
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 8:36pm

      One definition of the word religion is as follows: “A pursuit or interest in which someone ascribes supreme importance, i.e. consumerism is the new religion”. So if someone is of the opinion that religion is the root of all evil then I would tend to agree, if you see religion with this definition in mind.

      However the “religion” of Christianity, for example, has founded hospitals, orphanages, world disaster relief organizations, gives to the poor, helps the unfortunate, the alcoholic, the murderer, the unkind, the lonely and the unloved. In fact, Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with none other than Jesus Christ. In the early days of the founding of the church the word “Christian” was a derogatory word given to those people who followed Christ. They were called “those christ-ones”.

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    • ComradeAdam
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 11:43pm

      Religion teaches us ‘Thou shalt not kill’. If a religous person goes out and murders someone in the name of God, was he doing what his religion taught? Then, how can it be the fault of religion? Wouldn’t those actions be called Anti-religous? Religion is a guide rod to help us become better people and to attempt to follow the perfect example of Christ. Don’t blame religion for the faults of its members. Blame the individual and their ;lack of faith and dedication to religion.

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    • ShawnB
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 4:07am

      wrong Christianity period is wrong…

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 7:38am

      George Soros is an evil athiest with a god complex.

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    • Turin
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 9:47am

      If people are going to quote scripture, I wish they’d get it right:

      “The love of money is A root of all kinds of evil.”

      or do you really think that the root issue with pedophiles is that they just LOVE them some of that money? lol

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    • Max jones
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 2:03pm

      Atheism IS religion.

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  • symphonic
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:23pm

    INCONSISTENT. He shifts around, He said previously he resents religion, and now he says “Religion as the institution and as the church — as Jesus’ bride — that is God’s plan A and there is no plan B”

    That’s plain INCONSISTENT. In fact, I would call it a complete FLIP FLOP. Scott Baker capitalizing on hits rather than sense maybe? That doesn’t necessarily make me want to be a Blaze reader or subscriber. Just sayin.

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    • Worldsapart
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 3:56am

      And Jesus Never said anything at all that ever sounded inconsistent…
      (read, sarcasm)

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    • jcannon98188
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 5:27pm

      @Symphonic
      He was saying that he didn’t understand what most religions really were when he posted this video. To him, religion was a way of getting rich and justifing yourself. And in the Seattle Area I can’t really blame him. He then realized afterwords that religion is not like that. Basically, he hates the religion of man (the pastors who make tons of money from their feel good sermons) but loves the religion of Christ (the churches who honestly are trying to bring people to christ)

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  • Suchiazski
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:18pm

    I was watchingFriday‘s For The Record’s coverage of this story, and I got a feeling that this Jefferson is a bit impulsive and arrogant. He seems nice, but maybe he should age a little bit and wait for a bit more wisdom to try and revolutionize religion. I can say that as a nineteen year old.

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    • sacwoodpusher
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 4:38am

      Amen to his hatred of the self rightious, hypocritical, back biting, gossiping, and kniving behavior of “church people” under the guise of religion. I have never understood how christians, who follow the non-judgemental teachings of Jesus end up consistantly as the most judgmntal and self rightious people.

      Lord, please protect me from those who follow you.

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    • grannyrecipe
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 6:24am

      I saw one of his other videos where he is bashing Rush and O’Reilly. One of the first things young Christians should and eventually will learn is the importance in not judging other Christians.

      The devils main tool in destroying churches is to get the members to judge each other.

      Leave other peoples faults and sins with them and the Lord and you will be happy and friendly.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 7:36am

      @SACWOODPUSHER, You say that Jesus does not judge???John 5:For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
      John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
      John 12:47,48 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
      48. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

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  • BTBT
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:16pm

    He has unfortunately missed the point.

    Jesus didn’t preach against religion he preached against religiosity.

    That is, he preached against those think their religion makes them better than others.

    He preached against those who think the things they do can earn them a passage to heaven.

    He preached against those whe think they can save themselves.

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    • Carolina Infidel
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 5:38am

      I don’t think he necessarily cared what Jesus said. Odd.
      It’s like “I love Jesus but don’t care to read his thoughts/words on things that don’t fit my opinion”.

      I think the only way you can arrive at that is if you discredit the Bible/New Testament as incorrect in their portrayal of Jesus.

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    • Texas.7
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 10:06am

      I think that all he meant was to separate out formality and processes within the framework of many organizations from relationship with Christ. Someone above this post commented about being worshipers in Spirit and in Truth- not on this mountain or that, or not based on this denomination or that. When human organizations stifle that individual relationship, and do not serve the advancement of the greater Body of Christ on Earth, they can work contrary to what Christ taught.

      Jesus taught us to not pray with many, prescribed words, but to speak directly to God as Father, and to Him as friend. Nobody needs to go through any man. We are to learn from God and not be pulled away by the teachings of man.

      Having said this, I will tell you that God specifically told me to go to church. And I need to resume my participation. We are made to be as one on earth, as He is one with the Father- or so He says. But we are to make sure that man‘s precepts don’t get added onto or wrapped around to choke out the Spirit of God, but rather is the gathering of believers in an organized manner in order to accomplish more for Christ than Islands working alone.

      We humans tend to put our faith in preachers, structure and feel-good easy answers. A successful church brings a believer closer to Christ in relationship, to deepen their ability to love, trust and obey Him. There is nothing wrong with asking these questions. I do believe we are in need of revival- individually and corporat

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  • cjelephant
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:15pm

    God is not the author of confusion; and this kid is confused.

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    • Texas.7
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 10:15am

      Many millions of our youth have taken hold of this video because they believe in it’s message. This guy isn’t saying churches are bad- he clarifies this in the video. I believe he is trying to inspire honest looks at the organizations we place our faith in, to remind us that it is relationship with Christ that matters more than church ordinances. Who can’t relate with the idea that many who sit on the pews are more concerned with the appearance of godliness than the living power of Christ within them?

      Can we honestly say that our churches inspire the transparency, faith and action that growing churches in third world nations do? Are we playing church at times, or is it real? For many, the answer is certain, and their church, and they themselves as members, are fulfilling the purpose that God has for them. But what is wrong with the question???

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  • judyaz
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:13pm

    “Become as one people who should stand before the Lord, thy God — and the Lord, thy God, shall stand with thee….”
    “That that that is sent from God shall not ask you to abandon your religion or your belief.
    That that is sent from God shall ask you to understand each other, and your religions, and your beliefs. And only through understanding may you have the peace upon the Earth which you seek…”
    http://www.angelfire.com/in4/aup_messiah/1979November09.audio.html

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  • judyaz
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:09pm

    Although he didn’t say the name of the “one with more love in his eyes than he’d ever seen” who gave him a gift upon dying, and then returned him to life, here’s what this man experienced a few days later:
    http://youtu.be/Dz0NnUrAK7s

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  • Oraclevoiceofreason
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:03pm

    I work in the addiction treatment world with individuals who are very broken, hurt and sad and almost all of them have no spirituality in their life and are so ardent about their disdain for “religion” but are hungry for a relationship with God/ Jesus Christ. I am not offended by this guys remarks – he is on a journey of discovery and thank goodness he at least recognizes his Savior.

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    • grownup
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 7:40pm

      The kid says he was a self centered sociopathic sex fiend. Which means he sucked it up and asked for help. Did the hard work of looking at himself and clearing up the wreckage of his past. Now he is passing on what he is learning. He is on a fantastic journey and I applaud his efforts. Wish more people had his balls.

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    • lbouldin
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 9:17am

      You are one of the few here who understood the man at all. I wonder how some of these people find their way home. They are lost.

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  • Cemetery
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:47pm

    As soon as he said religion doesn‘t feed the poor that’s when I tuned out because it’s a blatant and typical lie.

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  • BlessedONE333
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:10pm

    THIS BOY IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN ISLAM!!!

    he is talking like a false pagan teacher of liberal christian teachings!!!

    he is a CHILD – WALKING LIKE A PAGAN AND TALKING LIKE A FOOL!

    this man is dangerous for Christians – he is teaching a false grace idea and bringing in lies without quoting the scriptures

    he is a pagan whore for satan who pretends to bring out the truth but instead he presents

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    • Homeschoolmama
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:49pm

      He is a child who has much to learn, who is rejecting the falsities of the many corrupted religions he sees around him. He seems to have a genuin desire to find God and needs to study his Bible in order to be able to recognize the true Church that Jesus founded.
      @Blessedone, you were really harsh. Anyone who take his poem as guidance in serving God is shallow and not actually seeking God to begin with, but is looking for a way to make themselves feel less guilty.if anyone wants to know the truth about God, go to the source, read your Bible!

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    • DavidZion
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:33pm

      Hebrews Chapter 11 for all you Bible Lawyers who think that you are earning your way into heaven.

      Then take a look at
      Romans 2:23 You who BOAST in the LAW, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God ?
      24 For “THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU,” just as it is written.

      So all you that THINK your so GOOD following your RULES when you break one RULE you break them all and fall into condemnation.

      PAUL the chief author of the New Testament spend half of his writings talking about FAITH and condemning those who put them self under the law.

      CHRISTIAN LAW has TWO commands

      LOVE God
      Love Others

      Atheist I can handle, Homosexuals, Murderers sinners great and small.

      But I can‘t stand self righteous wanna be bible scholars who don’t know the first thing about the Bible. Trying to bring everyone under the LAW. The LAW was never for anyone except the Jews you idiots. Put to memory Romans 2 23:24 then shut up and quit making all Christians look bad with your stupidity.

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    • mbriz
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:40pm

      Stop believing in fairy tales, it’s destroying the planet.

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  • ChanMan
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:58pm

    Seems like most people were’nt listening to what Jefferson was saying; so I know that they don’t read their Bibles and claim to be Christian without even knowing what Jesus really said and did. They also have no idea what ‘Christian’ really means.

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  • db321
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:52pm

    Dauh – “I’m Mormon. I carry that swagger of knowing that we’re right.”

    “Swagger of knowing your right!” Hitler and Mohammed thought they were right – DO YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH! – then put down the man made Bible and pick up the Bible written by God and turn to the very last chapter – Revelation 22:18-9:

    “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.”
    if you add to or take anything away from this Bible.

    Books that add to and take way from the Bible are the Book of Mormon, the Urantia Book and the Koran. Jesus is the only contributor to a Bible is no longer in his grave – all other are still in their graves.

    I’m still looking but “Swagger” is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible – but Hypocrite is!

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    • Longinthetooth
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:21pm

      Matthew 21:16
      ….”Out of the Mouths of babes and infants…”
      Matthew 23
      Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees
      Mark 7:6-13
      ….”Well did Isahia prophesy of you hypocrites…”
      Luke 9:50
      Jesus forbids SECULARISM (for the Mormon CULT BS)
      …..But Jesus said;” Do not forbid………”
      and finally
      Revelation Chapt 1
      Greeting to the Churches

      If ya read all those, it appears that the kid hit the bullseye.

      For Jesus also said;
      Luke 17;21
      ……..”for indeed, the Kingdom of God is within you.”
      as well as
      Acts7:48
      …….”However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the Prophet says:
      Heaven is My throne
      And the earth is my footstool.
      What house will you build for me? says the Lord
      Or what is the place of my rest?
      Has My hand not made these all these things?

      Every word from the Bible……………….

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    • libertylover55
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:28pm

      DB321: Dauh is not a Mormon. He is being sarcastic. But as for the scripture in reference; just remember the Bible was not even compiled at that time. It just means not to add to John’s writings in the book of Revelations.

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    • mbriz
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:44pm

      blah-blah-blah-blah. it’s all nonsense. Do your own thinking, and stop relying on the sky people.

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    • ComradeAdam
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 12:33am

      So God is no longer allowed to add scripture? “The Revelation of St. John the Divine” was written before many of the books in the New Testament, so I guess you throw these out as well? This warning was first given in the book of Deuteronomy. Do you believe this warning or the last one?
      “The Revelation of St. John the Divine” wasn’t even part of the Bible until a few hundred years later. He was obviously speaking about the book of ‘Revelations’ and not the Bible as a whole.

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  • ryguy1985
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:47pm

    No one knows til we get there! Live life and be happy, you might have just one shot!

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  • Tim Law
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:29pm

    As of today, the short clip has been viewed 15.8 million times on YouTube. We are all called to serve, we are not all called to serve in the same way. This young man has brought our LORD JESUS to the thought’s of millions of people. Most of them young people that the progressive movement have done a good job of removing GOD from their lives. If only 1 young person turns their life to CHRIST, then this young man has served the LORD. We need to step back and take a look at what we are doing to spread the Good New’s of our LORD. We will be known by our work’s!

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    • symphonic
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 5:25pm

      He said he resents religion. That includes Jesus Christ. He’s inconsistent.

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  • JustJason
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:10pm

    This is a foolish 22 year old and wrote something that sounds nice. He knows nothing of history. Catholic Church had a positive effect on ending the middle ages. They kept scripture, literature, and mathematics alive in europe as everything else died through the failed resurgence of rome, the plague, man turning his back on fith, and islamic invasion. Practicing Christians (of all faith) have missions all over the world feeding and helping the sick.

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  • dealer@678
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:59pm

    I hope to hear more rap from this kid. He gets it and with 16 millions hits a lot of people like his message

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    • db321
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:38pm

      I applauded this young man after I watched his video a week ago – I was alarmed by some of the comments that were negative – now I watched the interview and the 1st thing I did was to thank God for giving me the wisdom to see the message. The message is there and it is strong.

      The common denominator of the ones that don’t get it – 1st a negative comment – followed by the pointing of fingers at someone or something that they believe to be wrong.

      Put this young man into perceptive – his audience for the most part is young and most have been raised without God in there lives. He is reaching them for better than any of the do gooders that claim to be Christians and make it up as they go along , but don’t walk the walk.

      I once again applaud this young man for having Godly Wisdom and a powerful eye opening message. At least in his Church I believe he will allow Jesus in. Brilliant Message!

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    • Joe Schmuck
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 4:32pm

      Yes … he gets it.

      I’m not going to say all religion is bad … but it’s often used for power and control.

      I was raised in a church that preached the fear of God. I am now in a church that teachs the Love of God. One controlled by humans and the other by the Holy Spirit.

      Jesus didn’t have many nice things to say about religious leaders.

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    • Texas.7
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 10:29am

      And do we need a dose of real-ness in our faith organizations in America. Apparently, the youth believe so, and they are all screaming this same message as loud as they can. The words the young man uses are heard in youth groups all across this nation, and they are passionate about this message- and I frankly agree with them.

      We are called to participate and to help make the physical organizations we attend more like the True, larger Body of Christ. Let’s make it so and stop being defensive if someone is ASKING us to look at it? “Well churches do more good…” An athiest can say this, many believing going to church brings social benefit.

      But I will state clearly that denomination does not define my place in eternity. Good ministers, God bless them, will not teach in heaven. We will not need the Bible in heaven, because we will hear from Christ in ways that we could never understand while on Earth.

      And He is calling us to relationship with Him and relationship with others (I need to grow in this area, for sure). It is good to ask these questions. The boy isn’t trying to tear down, he is trying to build. Just like Jesus teaches that it is the refining process which is sometimes painful, which produces the purest gold.

      The video asks us to desire transparency. To look ourselves and our churches in the faith, and tear down anything that would keep us from walking even closer to God. Fountains and stained glass alone don’t cut it. God wan’ts more.

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  • Taxpayer550
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:52pm

    Bethke’s ideas are wrong on many levels, but the main problem with his system of thought is that he tries to eliminate any efforts to compare Christ to other gods. This could be just another attempt by the left to eradicate religion from our midst, but one of the main intentions of our forefathers when they penned the constitution was to allow for free and open debate on many issues, including religion, in the public square. The strongest argument for Christ rests on His comparison to other gods, through which He wipes out the competition (no other god offers free salvation through such a loving and selfless act). Bethke may be attempting, intentionally or unintentionally, to weaken the argument for Christ in public debate by arguing for the removal of all comparison.

    This may be just another example of how the left in America is highly involved in the devil’s bidding.

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    • Buchanan16
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:26pm

      you guys are not seeing this kid’s point. he is saying that religion is covering up the word of Christ or whatever god someone may believe in. he’s saying instead of focusing soley on Christ and his word alone, we pay more attention to building bigger churches instead of helping the poor. his message is going right over your head.

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  • whkell
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:42pm

    Too bad this kid didn’t have the real guts to tell Baker that Mormonism is a cult leading souls to hell…and “Mr. Turth lives here Beck” needs to quit lying to people that he is a Christian when his beliefs are 100% INCONSISTENT with Biblical Christianity..but hey..why tell the truth when you can get noteriety by throwing something people who have never read the Bible think is great..

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    • britlynz
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:27pm

      Enough with the hate. The message of Beck and his team is simple. The way for folks to fix this country is to first fix themselves and that such a personal transformation requires a relationship and obedience to God. That simple truth remains the truth whether it’s uttered by an Evangelical, Jew, Catholic or Mormon. This evangelical stands with that truth.

      What do say we put aside the sectarian sniping and get to work? Based on some of these comments, I‘d say we’ve got a lot of work to do.

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    • Buchanan16
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:32pm

      He never said he is christan, he said he’s Mormon. Seriously watch the show before you start making these assumptions… just grab a free trial and have a GBTV Marathon and see if he says he’s christan.

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    • Gumbercules
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 12:57am

      @whkell

      Please share the verse where Jesus says “Biblical Christianity is the ONLY true Christianity”. I didn’t know that the word “Bible” was mentioned in the Bible.

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  • ShyLow
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:41pm

    The neo-con way is better…make a higher ratio of Christians to other religions,by murdering those of other religions…being a good Christian and having people convert to Christianity by setting a good example is just foolish…Bomb Iran!!! anyone but Ron Paul….pass the collection plate.We are going to need more missiles

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  • Politijack
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:37pm

    I like his poem and the way he delivered it.

    I think he really brings to the front alot of the frustration the youth have with the church,,I know I felt very much like this when I was growing up and attending church in my youth(raised Lutheran and still attend now and then:)).
    It may be true to say that Religion is “Man making himself acceptable to God” but what he brings to the front is the fact that we really need to do is focus less on the “Making” part and more on how we can serve “Knowing” that we are accepted by God through Jesus.

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    • gunnybob
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:07pm

      I agree.

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    • Texas.7
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 10:39am

      I agree also, and as iron sharpens iron (not just as used by people as relates to scriptural knowledge), in the aspect of causing some introspection- the poem is great. God wants so much more form us than the sleepy little habits in our lives that often include church attendance without passion, conviction or Spirit. America would not be in the problem she is in if we were in a state of revival. But too many are asleep, satisfied in their knowledge that they are doing the right things. We should all ask the question and seek that which is greater- closeness to God which inspires love of others, which in fact (as the poem indicates), causes us to gather with others.

      But are our organizations and our behavior within them reminiscent of the early church at all? Or have we created layers of organization that often cloud what is meant to be transparent, and stifle what is meant to be free? The Holy Spirit mingling with our own. This comes from God and relationship to Him. The poem is nothing more than a reminder of this.

      I hate that the more scholarly are making this kid apologize for a heartfelt message that is opening many people to the possibility that church can be CHURCH, and life can replace and strip away pretense. America needs a dose of this message about now.

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  • shackero
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:30pm

    I don‘t like this turds revirew of Jefferson Bethke’s video………………..

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  • Jude 4
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:29pm

    Jesus came to establish true religion, and nullify all man made religion. Remember Jesus accusations against the popular religion of the day; “Ful well ye reject the commandments of God that you may keep your own tradition.” There is only one true religion, and that is the one Jesus has established, and which He is the “cheif cornerstone.“ That religion is based on ”let a man deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me.” This fleshly presentation is actually promoting a false tradition of man, which makes obedience to Jesus commands,optional rather than mandatory. Classis calvanism, but primarily and example of ‘twisting the scriptures to ones own destruction.’ This is the “error of the lawless.” Better take heed of Jesus warnings in the parable of the ten virgins, and the unprofitable servant. “If the righteous scarcely (with great difficulty) be saved, where will the ungodly and sinner appear?”

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  • Dauh
    Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:21pm

    Young. Ignorant.

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    • Bookster
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:40pm

      This young man shows a lot of wisdom for being “ignorant”. He is right on in most of what he says, much more correct than the non-“ignorant” people speaking for the many religions in this world, primarily Christianity.

      Maybe instead of calling him young and ignorant you might want to crack your Bible and learn about what Jesus did, said and came for. You might just be surprised at how right this young ignorant man is.

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    • Dauh
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 2:52pm

      I’m Mormon. I carry that swagger of knowing that we’re right.

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    • shackero
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 3:48pm

      DAUH—–
      I know of no Mormons that have your so-called swagger. Most are humble and respectfull—-

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    • Dauh
      Posted on January 21, 2012 at 6:21pm

      Anonymous posting lets me shed my humility. But let’s face it. Christ established a church during His ministry. The kid in the video doesn’t want to admit that, because he’s too naive and callow to understand what a church is for. Christianity doesn’t actually work without an organized religion to perform the saving ordinances. Which church is correct is arguable. (Actually, it’s not, but it CAN be argued, I guess.) Hence my accusation that the kid in the video is young and therefore ignorant. I‘m not saying that he’s stupid. I’m glad he changed his life. And, yes, Dauh is Mormon.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on January 22, 2012 at 7:48am

      Concerning Joseph Smith and Mohamed..They both claim an angel visited them and gave them doctrine..What does the Bible say about that?? Notice that Paul repeats this twice..Galations1:8,9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
      9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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