Hawaii Considers Banning Toy Gun Sales to Minors
- Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:47pm by
Mike Opelka
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When squirt guns are outlawed, will only outlaws have squirt guns?
Hawaii is currently considering adding some fairly serious restrictions on the sale of toy guns. TOY GUNS… like cap guns, squirt guns, pop guns, etc. From HB number 432;
RELATING TO TOY GUNS.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII:
SECTION 1. Chapter 709, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:
Ҥ709- Sale of toy guns to minors prohibited. (1) It shall be unlawful to sell, attempt to sell, or offer for sale a toy gun to a minor under eighteen years of age; provided that it shall be an affirmative defense to any prosecution that the:
(a) Purchaser falsely represented the purchaser‘s age by producing a driver’s license bearing a photograph of the licensee, a state identification card, or similar card purporting to be a valid identification card indicating that the purchaser was eighteen years of age or older;
(b) Appearance of the purchaser was such that an ordinary prudent person would believe the purchaser to be eighteen years of age or older; and
(c) Sale was made in good faith relying upon the indicators of age in paragraphs (a) and (b).
(2) Any person who violates this section shall be subject to a fine of not more than $2,000, imprisonment of not more than ninety days, or both.”
SECTION 2. This Act does not affect rights and duties that matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were begun before its effective date.
SECTION 3. New statutory material is underscored.
SECTION 4. This Act shall take effect upon its approval.
The proposed legislation is reported to have come from Democrat Scott K. Saiki, who has been represented the state’s 22nd district since 1996. Representative Saiki apparently believes that selling a toy gun to anyone under the age of 18 is a crime that would require a fine up to $2000, 90 days in jail or BOTH.
Requests for any data supporting the rationale for this proposed legislation have been made to Saiki’s office. Are squirt guns and toy guns considered to be “gateway weapons” that lead to more gun use later in life? This information might be helpful to other states considering such monitoring and legislating of toy sales. Seriously.
It should also be noted that while this information about the proposed law was copied, verbatim, from the website of the Hawaiian House of Representatives, at the very bottom of the page is the following disclaimer;
The summary description of legislation appearing on this page is for informational purposes only and is not legislation or evidence of legislative intent.
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Comments (188)
TAILHOOK
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:10pmYou can have my SuperSoaker…when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers!!!
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:41pmNerf guns can shoot your eye out. Oh wait I shot my kid right in the eyeball with a nerf crossbow and he’s OK. Never mind.
Report Post »Cabo King
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:10pmgood idea–boycott HAWAII
Report Post »anOpinion
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:10pmI totally agree with this ban, but only if you try to buy one with a cupcake :o)
Report Post »stinkybisquit
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:10pmSquirt guns don’t squirt people, people squirt people. Wait, that sounds kinda gross.
Will “A Christmas Story” be rated R in Hawaii?
Report Post »mindy
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:09pmso now you will have to show you ID and prove you are an adult to play with toy guns??? Yep, that makes perfect logic.
Report Post »Cabo King
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:09pmwhats next, put a dress on G.I. JOE…what is this world comming to??? i quit stop the world and let me off
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:17pmA dress and a martini, hold the olive though because you might get hurt on the pit.
Report Post »cnsrvtvj
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:08pmYes Kate, I believe they are. They just banned smoking outside in New York City, We are being forced to buy Obamacare, they want to force us to use less energy, on and on and on. No suirt guns for kids, but selling them pot is ok with these people. Everyday gets crazier and crazier.
http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the liberal mindset video with Al Sharpton
Report Post »Derfel Cadarn
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:07pmI need to make the observation as to who these toys were marketed to OTHER then minors. WTF WTF WTF !!!!
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:24pmThis is much adoo about nothing. The “Ghetto Gunners” and “Barrio Blasters” all have real guns by 10 or 11 years old. By the time they turn 18, they graduate to Full Autos since their Dope Turf is big enough to support the price.
Yet another REAL “People Problem” being hidden behind an INVENTED “Thing Problem” to protect the Guilty Parties.
Report Post »dmforman
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:06pmThis is PC gone wild.
I am brought back to my senior year of high school, where my fellow classmates and I had a game of water pistols going on. We carried water pistols and squirted each other in a way that wouldn’t get our water guns taken away. Harmless fun. Many laughs, and great memories 21 years later. This game now would have gotten us all kicked out of school.
When will people be able to use common sense and their minds when making decisions? Government is taking over what we can and cannot do. It reminds me of what our Founding Fathers fought for.
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:06pmThe state has the right to impose their laws. it’s up to the people of hawaii to fight back or move out. I’ll never live in Hawaii and if they want those ridiculous laws, feel free. When they start losing residence and tax revenue, they’ll rethink their position. If people are still willing to live there and give their tax dollars to their state legislature, they’ll continue to take their rights away.
I’m all for states rights, I thought most of you were too?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:07pmThe 14th Amendment equal protection clause says otherwise.
State’s rights apply to an extent, but they do not mean that, say, Idaho can vote to become a Soviet dictatorship and start killing “capitalists” immediately, or that New York can ban freedom of assembly, or that Ohio can declare that soldiers by golly CAN be quartered in your home without your consent. There are limits, which is the whole reason behind the 14th amendment.
Where state’s rights come in is working under the umbrella of commonly understood constitutional restraint. You can legislate that your state will refuse an unconstitutional federal mandate, for example, or you can legislate that your state will not enforce invalid Federal laws (war on drugs, for example), or that your state will sell alcohol to 16 year olds, or not have seat belt laws, nor helmet laws, and so on.
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:06pmForm over substance…typical liberal progressives. Has no benefit whatsoever except to provide foder for the liberal media as the gun haters move to outlawing the real thing. So long as WE THE PEOPLE stand around on the side lines talking this type behavior will only escalate. Guess WE THE PEOPLE haven’t had enough of the lunacy yet. Oh Well!
Report Post »tinydd
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:02pmWell now I know my next business venture, selling toy guns on the Black Market in Hawaii. Might also expand to the Happy Meals toys on the side.
Psst, wanna buy a Despicable Me?
Report Post »JohnFourteenSix
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:09pmHahahahaha!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:01pmNext thing you know they’ll be obfuscating birth records over there
Report Post »SlippedThroughAWormHole
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:00pmBeyond Absurdity. I think I really did slip through a wormhole. What planet is this? I thought it was Earth.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:41pmFind it odd that the leftists pick and choose what they want banned — like freedom?
And, have you noticed that Obama can hear the voices of the MB in the streets of Egypt but can’t hear the voices of the American people?
Report Post »TXMD
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:52pmOh, it’s Earth! But what has happened to it. I still stay in touch with different points of view and with current events. However, we are beyond a day-to-day escalation of countless attacks on our Western European Civilization. Hell, Western European Civilization (remember the 3 hour course back in College by that name?) is all but a distant memory in Western Europe. In this country of ours and even in TX we are being conditioned to believe the absurd and to discount the clearly obvious threats on our horizon. My three-days-per-week voluntary/charitable contribution of skill and time at a major trauma center leaves me as befuddled lately as did the three weeks of emergency medicine for Katrina refugees in the old Astrodome. That is a story in itself – how people would donate and pass out food and drink and clothes to those refugees from NOLA only to see most of those souls take a bite, a sip, or whatever and then throw the remainder on the floor and then complain that the floor is messy. I had hoped that what I witnessed there was an abberation that reflected the stress reaction and the trauma caused by the hurricane. Actually, it was induced because we have made those still-human beings into willing takers who give nothing – not even appreciation. I was okay as long as I still believed that the Katrina experience was “special.” Now I see our Nation adopting that behavior pattern – and the world. Ignorant sheep with no though in their head except their next high, their next orgasm, or their next handout. God help us.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:00pmI think it is time to stop traveling to hawaii right now. No more!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:17pmNow, there’s an idea! Boycott Hawaii!
Report Post »power_cord
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 10:39pmAmong the other reasons to not LIVE here (public school system, cost of living, you can’t drive to another state, etc), this has to got to be the dumbest idea ever. Last time I looked, there are thousands of military members here. Doesn’t the military use guns? Is the socialist ban going after them next? I live here and can’t wait to get off of this island of misfits but you might have figured that out already.
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:59pmHides all my loaded squirt guns in secret cabinet in the wall.
*slides book case to the side……..puts all loaded squirt guns on a shelf, where they will be ready for use if needed.*
Report Post »ADNIL
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:37pmI want to know if they have trigger locks on them.
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 6:28pmADNIL
No trigger locks………. are loaded and ready to fire……….
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:59pmBut they will still sell daggers to Sikh children. No Christians need apply.
Report Post »leo346
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:59pmYou got to be kidding the next thing is banning your finger and a stick so you can’t use them as toy guns which I used just as much as toy gun you bought in the store when I was a kid.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:06pmThey’ve already banned pointing the finger as a toy gun!
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:34pmAlso books with pictures of guns.
Report Post »ADNIL
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:36pmSo, a kid picking his nose might be taken as a threat to commit suicide?
Report Post »Wyoming
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:40pmADNIL – LOL – love that image!
Report Post »Wyoming
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:43pmLove the image ADNIL – sorry if I posted twice.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:58pmYea, it’s the toy guns, not the video games that are the problem. Geniuses.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:19pmAnd olive pitts!! Don’t forget the olive pitts!!! OH the horror!!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:20pmCan‘t decide if it’s the video games or simply the Progressive agenda that’s the problem.
Report Post »TERMLIMITSNOW
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:26pmit’s not the games or the guns, it’s the parents or lack thereof!
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:13pmmarried to a 80% Hawaiian girl….her whole family first can’t believe she married a Holie….second can’t understand when she talks about money issues since 90% of her relatives have been on welfare since they had their first kid at 14 or got a 14 year old girl in the neighborhood pregnant when they were 19-20…(this happens a lot in Hawaii, the older brah’s -losers that sit and smoke out, surf, and drink roam the high schools and middle schools hitting on the hot tita’s)…many are on their third or fourth marriage…if they are married or ever did…and have multiple kids from multiple people…all staying in Auntie’s house (auntie is not always a relative…just an older woman in the family or a long time family friend) and all waiting for their next welfare check…
watch Dog the Bounty Hunter when he is in Hawaii and goes over to the Big Island or to the leeward side of Oahu – Wainei/Makaha/Nanikuli side….see how they live…not all are like that but a large portion are….it isn’t just TV making it look that bad…it really is like that…scary and sad really… generation upon generation that just sit around, jobless, on welfare, and proud of it….
Report Post »KenInIL
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 8:52pmCan’t ban video games. That’s serious money. Cap guns squirt guns, that’s chump change, besides being made in China. Video games give kids a chance to practice killing cops, politicians with no consequences – and they can’t get hurt, but a squirt gun can get someone wet.
Report Post »RealityCheck
Posted on February 6, 2011 at 11:51pmThey are quite genius actually. What better way to create a process of removing guns from our society that to start with children? The fact so many of you write them off as morons is exactly what they want everyone to believe and they continue to weave their web.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:57pmNo, Kate. They are out of CONTROL!
Report Post »Slobaphobe
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:57pmYes, they are.
Report Post »JohnFourteenSix
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:57pmThe inmates are truly in charge of the asylum!
Report Post »DUMBASPELOSI
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:06pmNot surprising – it seems that the Islanders have already done away with . . .
real politicians
real weather
real tasteful shirts
real pina coladas
So? It just doesn’t matter.
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 8:17pmI spent a week in Hawaii in 1962. I have never desired to go back. If they return the islands to the native Hawaiians it might get interesting again. But now, it is just Ft Lauderdale beach with mountains!
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:56pmThis is just the start….compare it to mexicans hunting for the weak part of the fence before they cross over….once they find it there’s no stopping them.
Report Post »azmomof6
Posted on February 4, 2011 at 2:04amMost of the border has no fence. Just to let you know, they are coming from Mexico, but they are not all Mexican. Oh ya, the whole toy gun thing is ridiculous. We use water guns a lot here in the desert. Not many summer birthday parties are without a swimming pool or water guns or both.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:56pmSorry, CONTROL freaks is what I meant.
Report Post »streetconcepts
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:55pmI know some people have completely lost there mind but this is ridiculous.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:59pmI played cowboys and Indians when I was a kid and had my own (toy) gun (just like Dale Evans), but I’m not a killer or a lunatic.
The Progressives have simply lost it! (And that includes the “long-form!”)
Report Post »Chicago Ray
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:08pmNext are they going to ban Clint Eastwood and John Wayne Movies? Don’t laugh…because it ain’t funny anymore :(
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:11pmNo kidding, I remember playing cowboy and indians, cops and robbers, and squirt guns. I don’t remember anyone getting killed or hurt except the rare occasions when somebody got mad and threw one of the guns. So, maybe they better outlaw everything that can be thrown.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:21pmThis country is starting to turn into the movie, “Demolition Man”. Pretty soon they’ll ban harsh language and cite people that swear. What will come next, tree huggers forcing us to use the 3 sea shells?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVQGT01Kzg
Report Post »TERMLIMITSNOW
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:25pmIn my neighborhood we had bb gun battles. Everyone had bb and pellet guns. Only rules were no aiming for the face and no more than 10 pumps. Nobody ever got hurt too bad and nobody has killed anyone…..yet, but I’m close.
Report Post »Chicago Ray
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:25pmYea we did too Kate ;) ….. and even played them in our family at Halloween as kids, 2 boys 2 squaws ;), the entire neighborhood did!! The even had Indian Guides when we were kids and we didn’t take field trips to massacre Mahwah or Ramsey Indians with bows and arrows (we lived in Upper saddle river Jersey then, all towns named for Indian tribes up there)
We always had real guns in the home and didn’t turn into crack smoking welfare hounds with jobs and no future doing life sentences with free lawyers fighting for our lives across the country either!!!
That just happens in the urban areas where they seem to have a problem discerning between reality and Hollywood thanks to zero parenting and rappers who SHOULD BE BANNED and aren’t!!!!
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:28pm…and sing mini tunes? Hot dogs Armor hot dogs,….
Report Post »Chicago Ray
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 3:44pmYea I know those and I remember well the YooHoo commercials with Yogi Berra and all the NYC “Midnight Blowout !! shills” and the drag racing ones with the loudmouth emcees .. I loved it up there, great childhood. That was during the last time a Dem really trashed the country.(not counting slick)… in 78 that was, Peanut brain Jimmah..
Report Post »ADNIL
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:32pmWhat’s next? Fingers?
Report Post »Freebird
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:43pmMeanwhile,back in Michigan,it’s totally OK for kids to bring their “religious knives”to school.
Report Post »I don’t know how many of you have actually seen one of this knives unsheathed but it looks like what we used to skin a deer with,very frightening looking little thing.
BayouDave
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:48pmthis=these
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:54pmCops over there better get ready for a lot of overtime. They’ll be working long hours busting all of the illegal toy gun trafficking at garage sales all over the islands.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:56pmwell, we will just have to tech them how to use a real one a little younger than in the past……….opps…they already do that in the mideast
Report Post »What-A-Joke
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 4:58pmLMAO! So let me get this straight. I have to be the same age to buy a squirt gun as I do to buy a REAL gun? How smart are the people that this makes sense to?
http://timnbettyp.blogspot.com/p/club-sea-breeze_03.html
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:15pmOnce again we see the nutcase mentality of PC run amok come out of the woods; they just wish to force more and more junk down upon us until we finally break completely.
Report Post »Tim
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:22pmthis is just another attempt to put a bandaid on the rupture caused by the failure of terrible parents in this day and age…. i love grand theft auto, i love airsoft guns…. i LOVE military games…. i always loved them…… but because of my dad i didn’t fail to perceive what is reality and what is not… we failed our following generation.
Report Post »WAR PIGS CRAWLING
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:25pm@Termlimitsnow…we did too…except we were a lot safer…we had a 3 pump limit (4 if you were sniper) and everyone had to wear glasses…good, good times….
I consider it to have been pre-training for MCRD.
Report Post »oh my
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:39pmNext, everyone must wear mittens at all time to stop the formation of fingers that resembles a gun. Sorry, it may be warm, but it’s for your own safety.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:39pmYou know, I would ask if they really are the ultimate colossus of stupidity, but as this shows, they answered that question a long time ago. This is beyond complete stupidity.
Report Post »joe3
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 5:42pmthere needs to be a law that you cant make dumb, PC, BS laws.
Report Post »12 gauge
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 6:01pm@Untameable-kate Cowboys and Indians, Cops and Robbers…. brings back memories. For “guns” we usually used sticks. So how about a stick ban?
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 6:03pmAre you guys seriously reporting my posts? This isn‘t the first time I’ve had my posts deleted in the past few days.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 6:20pmbut religious knives will now be acceptable.
Report Post »waggie
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 7:49pmYes, toy gun ownership now will lead to hard core gun ownership later in life. What??? Even if that were true, which I highly doubt ‘cuz it’s coming from Progressives, but even if it were…so what!!!!! Let’s all own a gun!
Report Post »Buck Bagaw
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 8:01pmThey are absolute effing morons!!
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 8:19pmMost of the time the toys are purchased by the parents. Is it to be against the law to give your children a cowboy or cowgirl outfit with toy guns?
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 10:33pmHawaii, my state, is completely nuts as far as PC politics. The Socialist State of Hawaii. But the weather is nice and the surf is great.
Report Post »Lunar
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 11:50pmNO!!! this makes total sense don‘t you know ANYTHING not knowing what a gun looks like makes you immune to it’s bullets. If only at all the school shootings the children didn‘t know what bullets and guns were they couldn’t be hurt by them. It’s sheer genius, why didn’t we try this before.
OH wait we did, turns out all the way back to the sword even if you don’t live by it you can still DIE by it. No thanks, I’ll have me and mine knowing how to fire and use a gun, so when that day comes they can fight their murderer for there life and if they know how to use a gun NOT be the one who dies by it.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on February 4, 2011 at 12:07amOK does HI was a rash of kids buying their own play guns??? Usually it’s the PARENTS that buy the toys for the kids not the kids.. If the kids in HI are paying for their own toys I will have to tell my kids that the next time they ask me to buy them one..
Report Post »ANTISOCIAL-IST
Posted on February 4, 2011 at 12:41amhey hawaii: a little less time on the toys and a little more time on the long-form birth certificate for your beloved.
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