Under Pressure From ACLU, Hawaii Senate Ends Daily Prayer
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Meredith Jessup
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HONOLULU (AP) — Fearing a possible court challenge, Hawaii’s state Senate has voted to silence the daily prayer offered before each session began — making it the first state legislative body in the nation to halt the practice.
Hawaii State Senate
A citizen’s complaint had prompted the American Civil Liberties Union last summer to send the Senate a letter noting that its invocations often referenced Jesus Christ, contravening the separation of church and state.
That prompted the state attorney general’s office to advise the Senate that their handling of prayers — by inviting speakers from various religions to preach before every session — wouldn’t survive a likely court challenge, said Democratic Majority Leader Brickwood Galuteria.
“Above all, our responsibility is to adhere to the Constitution,” Galuteria said after Thursday’s vote to halt the daily blessings.
A three-member Senate committee formed to evaluate the issue recommended allowing nonsectarian, nonpolitical invocations that avoided references to deities, but the legislative body decided to do away with prayers altogether rather than constrain them.
“They (the ACLU) continue to threaten governments with lawsuits to try to force them into capitulating to their view of society,” said Brett Harvey, an attorney for the Alliance Defense Fund, made up of Christian lawyers to defend free faith speech. “Governments should take a stand for this cherished historical practice.”
While every state legislature prays to bless their public work, methods vary widely across the country. Some states pay a chaplain, others require remarks be submitted in advance and many like Hawaii invite members of the community to speak on any topic of their choosing.
The Indiana House temporarily halted opening prayers because of an ACLU lawsuit, but prayers returned in 2008 after a federal appeals court overturned a lower court’s decision.
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that legislative prayers are permissible in some circumstances, but the court hasn’t considered the issue since 1983. ACLU of Hawaii Legal Director Lois Perrin said the U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted the First Amendment to mean that the government can’t display a preference for one particular sect or creed.
“The Senate’s action does not conflict, and clearly aims at creating an environment where all will feel welcome regardless of spiritual beliefs,” Perrin said.
Sen. Sam Slom, the only Republican in the 25-member Senate, pleaded for making prayers voluntary rather than eliminating them altogether.
“The Senate must stand for something and not back away when there are challenges by individuals or organizations who make it their point nationally to have this as an objective,” Slom said. “As intelligent as we may be, we can still call on someone higher to help us and guide us.”
A protester who was arrested for disrupting a Senate invocation last April applauded legislators’ action to keep the business of government and religion separate.
“They’re a legal body, they make the laws, and they ought to follow them,” said Mitch Kahle, founder of Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church, who would have been a plaintiff in a potential ACLU lawsuit.
Neither the Alliance Defense Fund nor Americans United for the Separation of Church and State knew of any other state legislature that prevents prayers.
The Hawaii House also is considering limiting prayer, but opened with daily invocations as the legislative session began this week. The House will likely continue allowing invocations as long as they don’t mention a specific deity or religion, said Democratic Majority Leader Blake Oshiro.
The Senate’s last prayer was a Hawaiian-language invocation Wednesday.
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Comments (219)
shorthanded12
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:37pmIts Barrys pushing his authority upon the people of Hawaii, Funny how they stop with a christian prayer and the Gov of Hawaii cant find that damm birth certificate. LOL
Report Post »mcpbob
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:37pmGROW SOME BALLS YOU JACKWAGONS, our FOUNDING FATHERS have always help prayers in every house of goverment state, city, local and federal… THE ACLU has no standing what so ever, THEY BULLY EVERYONE AROUND, it is time to SHUT THE ACLU UP once and for all…. WE NEED TO STAND UP AGAINST THESE ATHIEST CRAPshooters…. WE ARE AMERICANS LETS ACT LIKE AMERICANS, screw the ACLU…. IN GOD WE TRUST. PUT PRAYERS BACK INTO OUR GOVERMENT grow some F_in balls people……
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:51pmI had planned on commenting myself on this. However, MCPBOB, the perfection of your statement says it all………….I’m done here!
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:24pm@Bob
Beautifully and poetically stated…………….. leaves no room for misunderstanding. Perfect!..:-]
Report Post »WAR PIGS CRAWLING
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:32pmWell said. I think we have a quorum….all those in favor signify by saying aye.
Report Post »designbyinspiration
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 9:11pmAYE!
Report Post »Get these slump-shouldered, leaves in the wind out of the way and get some REAL men and women in to KNOW and FOLLOW the laws of the land. These subversives are making us a de facto ‘Nation of men, not laws’ by mob type thought and a very questionable perspective on the execution of the Constitution!
rwsasinger
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:35pmHey big kahuna…it’s not in the document.
In this case and point, Hawaii is a state of pure wimps. Looks like they all have sun stroke and forgot how to read the U.S. Constitution or at least historical background on the separation issue!!!!
The phrase separation of church and state (sometimes “wall of separation between church and state”), attributed to Thomas Jefferson and others, and since quoted by the Supreme Court of the United States, tries to fashion an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
The First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ….”, while Article VI specifies that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase “separation of church and state” in this context is generally traced to an January 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury, Connecticut, Baptist Association, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams—who had written in 1644 of “[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world, God hath ever broke down the wall itself, removed the candlestick, and made his garden a wilderness.”—,
Jefferson wrote, “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State”.
What is most amazing is where the jackasses in the Supreme Court dare to interpret the intent of Jefferson’s words and ignore the historical context of their origination.
Although Jefferson is clearly speaking to the establishment of a “state religion” like the Church of England; Jefferson’s metaphor of a wall of separation has been cited repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court. In its 1879 Reynolds v. United States decision, the court allowed that Jefferson’s comments “may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.” In the 1947 Everson v. Board of Education decision, Justice Hugo Black wrote, “In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state.” However, the Court has not always interpreted the constitutional principle as meaning absolute separation of government from all things religious.
Hawaii is just ripe for a nice big earthquake and a volcanic bonfire of the biggest kind. Marshmallows anyone?
Report Post »Miser
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:11pmWell stated. Thank you
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:28pmIf your goal is to adhere to the constitution perhaps you should read it and realize that seperation of church and state isn’t in it.
Seems like reading it would be a good start for somebody that claims that their primary responsibility is to adhere to it.
Report Post »Buckaroo
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:43pmthe HI state senate has 25 seats. iirc, 24 of them are currently held by donks.
/need i say more?
Report Post »RogueAmeritarian
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:25pmEnd Marxism in 2012, then end the ACLU shortly after !!!
Report Post »Miser
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:25pmWhat does Hawaii’s constitution say? I know the US Constitution makes no prohibitions on the states about this.
Report Post »Buckaroo
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:31pm“HE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF HAWAII
PREAMBLE
We, the people of Hawaii, grateful for Divine Guidance, and mindful of our Hawaiian heritage and uniqueness as an island State, dedicate our efforts to fulfill the philosophy decreed by the Hawaii State motto, “Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono.”
We reserve the right to control our destiny, to nurture the integrity of our people and culture, and to preserve the quality of life that we desire.
We reaffirm our belief in a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and with an understanding and compassionate heart toward all the peoples of the earth, do hereby ordain and establish this constitution for the State of Hawaii”
/shrug
Report Post »Miser
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:38pmThey recognize a Devine entity. Is there anything about either recognizing or prohibiting a religion, or religious ceremony?
Report Post »Miser
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 9:57pmGee Buckaroo. Sounds like the ACLU needs to butt out. If Hawaiian politicians want to pray, they can anywhere they want to, no matter who it offends. If someone doesn’t want to pray, they don’t have to. Sounds reasonable to me.
Report Post »Buckaroo
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:22pm“Sounds **reasonable** to me”
yer not very familiar with hawaiian politics are u?
Report Post »:-)
Conservative AMERICA
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:25pmIf communist-china wants his money back, I think we can afford to give them this lost state. And if they want, they can have Barry Soetoro, who claims he was born there, too – FOR FREE! I would even pay another trillion to get rid of the TOTUS!
Report Post »MiCurmudgeon
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:21pmCowards !!! It’s time someone had the guts to stand up to the ACLU. The US Congress starts with a prayer the last time I checked.
Report Post »Mobmember42
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:02pmYa for now. I’m sure they will remove that too…..
Report Post »benditlikebeck
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:20pmThank god
Report Post »spirited
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:17pmThere’s nothing to prevent them from having a “MOMENT OF SILENCE”.
–Anyone in the audience who objects, can be escorted out of the building.
>Many ways to skin a cat!
Report Post »jctunink
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:31pmThey tried that in Schools, remember. It didn’t last long before the ACLU said that was to much.It put “Peer Pressure” or made others uncomfortable in that environment. The 1st Amendment said that Congress shall make no law estblishing or restricting religeon, but hey the Progressives don‘t care what’s written in an old worthless (to them) Document.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:13pmEactly where in The Constitution is acknowlegment of the Creator prohibited?
>Would these Constitutionals feel better if Creator were said instead of God, Lord, Father or Jesus ?
Report Post »marklross
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:13pmI suggest we all plan our vacations to destinations other than Hawaii until the spineless politicians there remember what values this country was founded on…….
Report Post »patteeofurniture
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:12pmPerhaps the Hawaiian legislature should also have to refer to the Constitution when they pass any legislation…. and the part about the infringment on “the free exercise thereof?” If I were in that legislative body, I would stand and do it myself……The ACLU is doing a fundraiser…
Report Post »MBA
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:11pmHere’s the plan. The senator’s meet every morning at a public park, say a prayer (especially for the commies at ACLU) then head to the office.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:34pmyou know that they would sue because it is a public park, how about one of their yards, then they can’t gripe
Report Post »Sledgehammer
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:56pmNow then they would claim “public officals”
Report Post »mrclean
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:13pmAt this rate all Christian members of Congress will be forced to meet in private homes every day in order to pray before going to the State House, unless they ultimately agree to “nonsectarian, nonpolitical invocations that avoided references to deities,” and to that I say ‘why pray at all?’
Chock another one up to Christian persecution by the ACLU. At least the Lord warned us we would be persecuted as Jesus was. I think the persecution pedal has been put to the metal in the last year or so and it’s gonna get much worse. Look up… 0:-)
Report Post »hkyfan36
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:06pmAs said in the movie “Water Boy” “its the Devil”
Report Post »civilunrestnow
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:04pmHit your knees 5 times a day facing Mecca and they won’t say a word…
Report Post »neverending
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:03pmNext will be imprisonment for mentioning Jesus Christ, God or Saviour. ACLU does need to go but first gotta get barry boy voted out.
Report Post »RIGHTNOTLEFT
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:01pmHa coming from the same state that has missplaced Obamas birth certificate…………
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:11pmGood point you have there, wonder what else has gotten lost in the archives.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:22pmMy thoughts exactly Right-On!!!
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:28pmAnother thing to consider though – what else might have been PUT INTO the archives?
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:28pmsnow, i am glade you have returned, i also have had some funny stuff happening also, i hope you have rectified the problem and hope that they will get caught. anyways, glade your back and look forward to reading your post .
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:35pm@Commonsenseguy
Thank you, the Blaze staff got on the ball quickly with the matter; if anyone tries the stuff with you go to the Site Support found at the bottom center of the web-pages, and follow the directions for making a request to report the matter; be sure to do the “report post” by each counterfeit one as well.
The staff sent an e-mail confirmation of their action as well.
Thanks again Blaze staff for being on the ball with this matter.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:40pmsnow, thanks for the advice, not sure what was happened, but whatever it was has sence been taken care of. GOOD LUCK and again, thanks
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:00pmMy prayers go out to the Hawaii State Senate to have the courage to stand up to the ACLU and continue its daily prayer. Wait, no, my prayers go out to the ACLU to see the error of their ways and allow the Hawaii State Senate to continue its daily prayer. Or, should my prayers go out to……. ah, to hell with it.
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:21pm@Broker 0101
You mentioned on another posting…
SNOW, look on the bright side, you were actually given a personal sense of purpose by the “counterfeiter”. Judging by how much time you have invested in the anonymous aspect of the Blaze, to actually have a real (albeit still virtual) “personal” cause in which to engage and for which to “fight” must have been incredibly fulfilling for you. Imagine how many even more fulfilling causes and interactions await you away from your computer in the actual, real, non-virtual world?
I wish to thank you for the demonstration of pure sarcastic whit as sharp as a dulled tree stump. It is for the exact reasoning of your ability to make said comment, and mine along with others to have the freedom to agree and disagree that the ACLU should be watching for – the attempts at the supression of the rights and freedoms we enjoy as Americans.
The ACLU should be a watch dog, not a hunter seeking to cull the heard into their own idea of what the rights of all people must be; when the individual is endangered by unconstitutional laws or charges then they should step up and go to bat for them.
Otherwise, watch and wait on guard duty.
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:24pm@Chichi
I think a bite by a carpet shark would be nicer, get the critters jaws around their feet and it takes a big crowbar to pry it loose; then again, it might poison the shark though.
Report Post »Hobo Boondocks
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:59pmIt doesn’t matter-God hasn’t been listening to them anyway.
Report Post »PlanetXenu
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:03pmso you are gods voice now? BLASPHEEEEEMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:21pmWhy should God listen anymore? They’ve taken God out of our schools, out of our public meetings – out of anything “public”.
Report Post »Hobo Boondocks
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:25pmRead Proverbs chap. 28 verse 9. KJ
Report Post »Miser
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:34pm@planetxnu
Report Post »you’re lame and your schtick is boring. Add a little substance will ya?
If you would do a minor bit of research you would learn that many faiths recognize words spoken by their followers as the “Word of God” Personal attacks on posters are a waste of all of our times.
beebacksoon
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:00pmMidwest Blonde
Report Post »You are absolutely right, why SHOULD God listen to us? No doubt He is looking down on America and sees another Sodom and Gomorhra. I, however, believe as long as there is even ONE Christian in His favor, He will listen, and heal our nation. There, of course, are many Christians in America, so I have no doubt He will listen, and pull the curtain down on the evil doers and expose them for what they are. I will not give up! I will not stop contacting my reps in Washington, and my state of my concerns on the issues at hand. We WILL prevail. We must pray, and pray often. Thank you, Lord, for what you will show us in the very near future.
Midwest Blonde
Posted on January 22, 2011 at 1:12amto beebacksoon
Thanks – I’m Christian, I do pray and yes I believe American the Great will be saved by we the people!
Report Post »EdgeOfForever
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:58pmThe ACLU really needs to go. They are a thorn in the side of the Constitution.
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:05pmThey have become a thorn in a lot of peoples sides as well; not to mention the posterior regions as well.
Report Post »snowleopard3200
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:58pmGod Help us NOW, why cannot that blasted ACLU just work in the areas where they are acutally of some usage; for people legitamitely being discriminated against, or unable to defend themselves. If a watchdog is needed, then let it work for the defense of the people needing it, not in a PC garbage matter best left at the bottom of the oceanic abyssal plane with the Titanic.
Sheesh!!!
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:41pmSaudi Arabia doesn’t want them…
Report Post »beebacksoon
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 9:50pmBecause they are an evil entity to be reckoned with by God, and We The People. If God is on our side, who can be against us?
Report Post »PlanetXenu
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:58pmseperation between church and state wins again!!!!!
whats up now, Blaze???
;D
Report Post »civilunrestnow
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:05pmNo such thing…You need to read your constitution.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:05pmno such thing in the constitution sorry try again
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:08pm@ PLANETXENU
it’s only in your head .
Report Post »AMEN .
KenInIL
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:09pmI have a free ticket to China for your and all your ACLU (formerly American Communist Lawyers Union) buddies. You won’t have to worry about religion at all. As a matter of fact you won’t have to worry about very much at all. Your work, shopping and playing will all be in the same building.
Report Post »portague
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:12pmChossing to pray before starting is not in violation of the first amendment
Report Post »Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (a church recognized by law as the official church of a nation or state and supported by civil authority) they did not cross this line by allowing open prayer
benditlikebeck
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:22pmAmen!
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:33pmMr. Jefferson, BUILD UP THAT WALL!
Report Post »PlanetXenu
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:47pmsend me to chine and I’ll be back when they come for whats owed them.
Report Post »and your little dog too… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
PlanetXenu
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:48pmbesides, I never said anything about the constitution… I was talking about common sense.
Report Post »gopsnativeson
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:12pmClearly you can’t read
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:23pmUnless the Hawai’i state constitution erects such a separation, then it does not exist, even if you read the 1st. Amend. to the Federal Constitution to put up such a barrier, as the 1st Amend. specifically says “**Congress** shall make no law…” State legislatures are not bound by it.
As a note, I do support the notion of a “separation of church and state”, just not in the same way the ACLU does.
Report Post »slyswine
Posted on January 23, 2011 at 9:05amI just want to ask a few questions to all here. Is prayer a religious exercise? (yes) Are state officials the ones who create the rules regarding chamber proceedings? (yes) Are the meetings open to the public? (yes) Does the 14th amendment extend federal stautes to the states as well? (yes) From where I sit, prayer is a religious exercise being conducted by our government officials, on tax payer time. I have no objections to any elected official professing their religious beliefs, but as they represent a WIDE variety of constituents, it seems like the 1st amendment applies directly to this issue of prayer of a particular faith while conducting official business. I do think this is a violation, but I would like to hear what everyone else thinks.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:57pmAre you kidding me?!!!? A group of ELECTED officials don’t have the kahonies to take on the ACLU? Why don’t you double dog dare them and then draw the proverbial line in the sand. I fail to believe you whimps!
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:04pmI agree with you there, instead of the ‘double dog dare’ just threaten to cut off their special interest connections, and confiscate all their money from ‘sponsors’ in any and all bank accounts they have. I read the article again and saw the prayer they offered was in the native Hawaiian language.
I thought that would be something the All Crazy Lunatic University group would actually SUPPORT as it is in the Native LANGUAGE of the isles!!!
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:16pm@Grandmaof5
Just so you know, I changed the name of my postings slightly, the avatar should be the same.
Report Post »hkyfan36
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:26pmNo Ball’s and a birth cirtificate to boot.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:36pmTxs for the head’s up, I didn’t even notice that.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:42pmHow is it that one citizen complains, or a very small minority of people claim to be offended and the gov automatically caves. When do the Christians stand up to the ACLU and shut them down. They are nothing but rabble rousers.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:53pmThey are mega wimps.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 9:04pm@Snow – Ive been working all day…….. What happened to you??? Were you hacked? Hope all is well.
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 9:33pm82dAirborne, Alot of us were hacked. I got an e-mail from the Blaze today that said they fixed the problem. I hope so, the guy that was doing it said some pretty stupid things posing as several of us.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:41pmIt makes me sick the churches cave on everything, shows their leadership is as corrupt as the politicians. The threat of loosing their tax free status scares them, they don’t have the faith that money will still be given without the tax break. They should have put their feet down on abortion, put their feet down on separation of church and state, put their feet down on gays being normal, put their foot down on communism being peaceful and conservatives being evil, put their feet down on Christianity being evil and islam being good, but on every battle they surrendered without a fight. Christ would have never surrendered.
Report Post »RIGHTNOTLEFT
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 5:57pmSeems par for the course………….
Report Post »12 gauge
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:06pmLack of shock, most of them are future members of the Lake of Fire swim team…
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:08pmMaybe if the HI Senate starts the session with an azaan , NO ONE will object
Report Post »Not even
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cnsrvtvj
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:11pmWho continues to support this group? The ACLU is one of the worst organizations going today. I wonder how much money they cost taxpayers annually. It has to be a great deal. We need to organize a group to sue the ACLU to drain their bank account. Fight fire with fire.
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Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:26pmHow shameful of the representatives of the people of Hawaii to give way to the wickedness of the white man.
Report Post »Snowleopard-the artist {cat folk artist}
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:27pm@Cheezwhiz
How about this one:
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C omes
L iberalized
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Not as good as yours true, but has promise to deal with the dingbats.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:34pmthe aclu…has to be one of the most… if not the most anti-American group there is…somebody needs to take them to court…
Report Post »Echad
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:41pmThe ACLU, Public Education & Social Engineering
If we lose the fact that the heart of morality is the acknowledgement that morality indeed, civilization itself must be predicated on the belief in God. Unless we recognize a Higher Power to whom we are responsible to and who observes and knows our actions, we will not transcend the selfishness of our character and the subjectivity of our intellect. If man himself is the final arbiter of right and wrong, then “right”, for him or her, will be what they desire, regardless of its consequences to everyone else.
This is the heart of the problem! Our so called education system has been socially and culturally reengineering society through our youth. They teach that there is no absolute right or wrong and that morals are just constructs of society. (In other words whatever academia tells you they are!) They have pushed themselves and their agendas on the American people, with no care as to the consequences. They arrogantly believe their intellect superior to those who have faith in our Creator and the moral code written in the Bible.
All you have to do is look at the culture of the 50’s when Biblical morals and ethics we held dear where still taught in our schools. Now compare our society and culture today with the academic version of ethics and morals that our youth have been indoctrinated into. We are now reaping what has been sown through the social reengineering perpetrated by the public education system.
May God help us!
B”H
Report Post »cnsrvtvj
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:50pmI like that one Snowleopard! Love the cat art as well.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 6:50pmACLU … nothing but a pack of Commies! And that’s a FACT!!
Report Post »Echad
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:00pmThere is no separation clause! They get that from a letter Jefferson wrote. Few people know that it was Jefferson who with all of Congress set up church in the capital building. They held church meetings there until just before the civil war. “FACT”
Report Post »Devil Dog 7175
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:09pmTime to pray to end the ACLU.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:11pmAll nations who deny God fails, notice illiteracy and economic failures of many countries suppressed by Islam and Communism.
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:40pmThey do this to honor Frank Marshall Davis, Hawaii’s best known Communist. You know, Obama’s mentor.
Report Post »SnapTie
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 7:57pm[ACLU] American Communistic Liberation United
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:05pmBunch of panty waist sissys…Whre are the real men that will stand up to wrong?
Oh yea, the men wear skirts in Hawaii don’t they??? pppsissys!!!!
Report Post »gopsnativeson
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:08pmCan these people once, JUST ONCE, stand up & defend the constitution??? WTF
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.
It doesn’t say that if 3 people “may be” offended then the the first amendment shall not apply.
OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.
Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religeon OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.
For God’s sake, Im a master carpenter & I can clearly see that this Amendment protects people
Report Post »from a government established or forced religeon, but clearly allows people, even state legislators, the “RIGHT” to FREELY EXCERCISE THEIR RELIGEON.
GONESURFING
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:26pmACLU = Low life, America hating, commie lawyer scum.
Report Post »Sam I am
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:35pmI wonder if it was a muslim prayer, they would be so fast to object?
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 8:45pmIt is par for the course here in the socialist republic of Hawaii. With 1 Republican in the senate it is not surprising that they would not stand up to ACLU intimidation. The ACLU should be labeled an enemy of America and the lawyers there should be tried for treason and sh%&. Oh, thats right, can”t say that. The ACLU is one of the greatest threats to America and should be done away with. May God help us all.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 9:14pmThis is sad. Shows lack of courage and cowardliness on the part of these “Christian” congress people or whatever faith these congress peoples from Hawaii claim to be. They are allowing a non religious group to dictate their faith and where they practice it. Thats actually violates the first amendment and if they had any balls and attorneys with logical wit they would win the case and help put the ACLU in their place. Cowards.
Report Post »Nick84
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 10:10pmhttp://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression
The ACLU has defended conservative stances as well (religion including Christianity, and gun ownership). I am aware that they don’t always take the popular side, but shouldn’t they be applauded for trying to make sure everyone is treated fairly?
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:00pmThe only thing that comes to mind is…… GUTLESS
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:03pmAnd Jesus died for you? Yes He did! … Amazing…
Report Post »Doug On The Inside
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:10pmWell said, 12 Gauge…funny too.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on January 21, 2011 at 11:51pmcan’t america sue to get rid of this cancer
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on January 22, 2011 at 9:28amAnd the transmisison belt to soviet Communist dictatorship (the anti-Christian Liars Union /ACLU) puts another notch in their attack on the great pillars of our Society Religion and Morality.I wish some Patriot would do us a favor and lead them evil ones to Jesus.
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on January 22, 2011 at 11:02amIt is a sad day in America when a communist organization dictates the law to a legislative body.
Report Post »It has come time to rise up America and kick ass.
canyousmellmenow
Posted on January 22, 2011 at 12:53pmACLU is going to ruin the once Great country. Along with P.C. and Diversity…..
Report Post »j_man
Posted on January 23, 2011 at 4:36pmiIisland and have a religious leader for all of them do a prayer. If your not a part of that religion you sit silently in respect. All religions are represented equally, so no one can claim discrimination, atheist have to shut up for 30 mins, and a commie legislature can’t pass any commie laws for 30 mins as well. Win win win. God bless.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on January 24, 2011 at 4:08amNICK84 sometimes they do, not as much as the past, now it seems they are mostly trying to remove God from everywhere, crosses, ten commandments, ect. Always against Christianity, but they do fight to support Islamic causes, women wearing full face covering for a drivers license photos for example. The ACLU is an enemy of America.
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