HBO‘s ’The Newsroom‘ Attacks Rush Limbaugh As a ’Liar’: Rush Responds and We Expose the Show’s Shaky Evidence
- Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:57pm by
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Following the release of HBO’s “The Newsroom,“ it is looking more and more like ”The Social Network” was probably the last good thing Aaron Sorkin will write. Generally, any show that gets reviews with lines calling its episodes “deeply offensive for three quarters of an hour” can’t be expected to survive. However, now on top of being needlessly smug, sanctimonious escapism for the Left, “The Newsroom” has apparently decided to punch above its weight class by attacking talk radio host Rush Limbaugh. According to “The Newsroom’s” fictional anchor Will McAvoy, Limbaugh “lied” twice over the past few years — once about President Obama’s record on guns, and the other time about a visit to India by President Obama.
Limbaugh, of course, wasn’t going to take this lying down. He fired back Monday on his show, excoriating the program both for potentially fabricating a quote from him, and for claiming he was lying because he quoted a news story that turned out to be inaccurate. Listen to Limbaugh’s response (which includes both the Newsroom clips), via the Daily Rushbo, below:
Now, quite apart from the extreme argument that particular people who “lie” about news stories should be forced to label themselves as such “like registered sex offenders” (in which case, MSNBC would be out of business in about two weeks thanks to labeling costs alone), we wanted to do a little looking at the two charges against Limbaugh by Sorkin’s show. Be warned, basic logic is not a strong point in either case.
Accusation #1: Limbaugh told listeners to buy guns “before Obama outlaws them all”
First, even if you assume the charge that Limbaugh encouraged listeners to buy guns before “Obama outlaws ‘em all” is true, notice the defense that Sorkin’s mouthpiece jumps to. He argues that Obama has been terrible on gun law enforcement. Now, never mind that President Obama has an exhaustive paper trail showing that he personally supports gun bans. That’s true, but it doesn’t get at the really ironic part about this defense – namely, that Sorkin is defending Obama by saying he’s a conservative. He’s quite clearly throwing any actual supporters of gun control — like the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which is who labeled Obama’s record a “failure” in the first place — under the bus with the defense, because instead of going into an extended Sorkin-esque monologue about how gun control is necessary, the host instead goes for the “Limbaugh is lying” charge. Apparently, embarrassing Rush Limbaugh is more important than defending a decades-old Leftist cause celebre for Aaron Sorkin. With friends like him, we wonder if the Left really needs Rush.
But, of course, that assumes the quotation of Rush saying to buy guns before they’re all outlawed is accurate. As evidenced in the clip above, Limbaugh doesn’t remember saying it, and unlike with their second attack, the Newsroom doesn’t play a clip. Limbaugh is obviously more capable of plumbing his own archives than we are, especially since they’re not entirely digitized yet, but for something that Limbaugh allegedly said “repeatedly,” it’s rather difficult to find evidence that he said it even once. Moreover, we find it very difficult to believe that Aaron Sorkin spends day after day listening to the Rush Limbaugh show, given his obvious disdain for it. So where did he get this idea? A little googling gave us a promising potential answer: A Media Matters story dated April 9, 2009.
If this is indeed where Sorkin got the story, though, he fails basic reading comprehension on top of basic logic, seeing as the Media Matters story never directly quotes Limbaugh. Instead, the closest they get is quoting another liberal radio host, David Shuster, accusing Limbaugh of saying this with no evidence to back it up (and then promptly getting blasted by a conservative guest). Yet the only person with any connection to the Rush Limbaugh show who we can find who did say this prior to April 9, 2009, is frequent Limbaugh guest host Marc Belling, who said it on December 4, 2008. Belling‘s voice sounds nothing like Limbaugh’s, and it’s not clear that he even said it while guest-hosting Limbaugh’s show. In other words, assuming there is no smoking gun evidence of Limbaugh saying this, Sorkin took a biased and frequently unreliable news source (Media Matters), quoting a dubious source (David Shuster) and took their word on a charge that was (to him) believable but unsubstantiated. Remember that, because it will be important.
Charge #2: Limbaugh “lied” about the cost of President Obama’s trip to India in 2010
This charge refers to a story from 2010 that alleged that President Obama had taken a trip to India with a price tag of $200 million/day. Factcheck.org debunked the idea this way:
The hard-to-swallow claim originated with a Nov. 2 Press Trust of India article quoting an unnamed “top official” in the government of Maharashtra (one of India’s states). The source was quoted as saying that Obama’s upcoming trip to Mumbai will cost $200 million per day for security and living arrangements, among other things. The story claimed that the president would be accompanied by about 3,000 people, including Secret Service agents, government officials and journalists, and will stay at the Taj Mahal Hotel — the scene of a 2008 terrorist attack.
We find stories based on anonymous sources always deserve special caution, especially when they come from only one news organization. In this case, the anonymous official is not even in the U.S. government, and any information about costs would necessarily have come second-hand at best, an added reason for caution.
Nevertheless, the story was widely repeated without any additional reporting.
Firstly, note that Sorkin’s script got the source of the story wrong (New Delhi TV reposted this story, but it did not originate there). Secondly, as Limbaugh notes, the reason the story was repeated was because it was believable, given the spending habits of the administration. Sorkin describes this as a “gleeful lie” done “in order to damage someone’s reputation.” This description is inconsistent, unfair and does more damage to Sorkin than anything else.
To begin with, even the Newsroom points out that the story was picked up by the Drudge Report, which is a news source that is used by more than just Rush. They claim that Drudge picked it up, “believing it to be possible, or not caring that it isn’t.” So apparently Drudge gets the benefit of a doubt. But Limbaugh, according to Sorkin, “knows this figure can’t possibly be right, but Mr. Limbaugh runs with it anyway.” Which raises the question of why Sorkin believes that Matt Drudge couldn’t tell the story was false where Limbaugh could, considering that both men apparently saw the same story, and neither of them could have known the anonymous source behind the story was faulty, seeing as they didn’t know who the source was. The double standard is obvious.
Moreover, even if you (wrongly) assume that Rush could have somehow double-checked the story to figure out it was wrong (the idea that he willfully used it for the purposes of deception is too slanderous and absurd to comment on), what is Sorkin accusing Limbaugh of doing here? Well, trying to besmirch a political opponent’s reputation using a story from a biased news source with highly questionable evidence behind it.
…Which is exactly what Sorkin may have done when it comes to the first charge regarding Limbaugh’s quote that people should buy guns before President Obama outlaws them. So if this Limbaugh quote is a “gleeful lie,” wouldn‘t Sorkin’s be as well? And if so, then along with labeling Limbaugh a “willful, purposeful and gleeful” liar, does that mean that Aaron Sorkin and the writing team at “The Newsroom” should, “like a registered sex offender, be required by law to come with that warning label for the rest of their lives?” In fact, scratch that. Considering that Media Matters has repeatedly earned the status of “gleeful liars,“ whereas Rush is ”documented to be almost always right” and the Drudge Report is relied on by almost the entire media, the case is clearly stronger for branding Sorkin.
And lest you think that’s a cheap shot, consider this: Limbaugh’s segment was based on a breaking news story. Breaking news is often riddled with inaccuracies, as anyone who‘s seen CNN’s coverage of the health care decision will tell you. Limbaugh inevitably will get one or two stories sent to his desk that are poorly sourced, but they‘re stories that no one can know are poorly sourced until they’re criticized further, by which point they’re no longer breaking. In other words, working in news requires that you occasionally walk back a story or two without being branded a liar forever.
But unlike a real news anchor or commentator, Aaron Sorkin was writing his show in hindsight. He had all the time in the world to check facts, figures and quotes before throwing them into his script, yet he still used this apparently inaccurate (or at least unsourced) Limbaugh quote about guns. And all this while lecturing all of America on how journalists all over the country ought to behave.
Congratulations, Mr. Sorkin, you have just shown that you cannot even manage to do even fake news right.
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Comments (266)
SoiledDove
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:51pmI like how you leave out the part of the show where they played Glenn Beck, in his own voice, lying about Obama coming to take your guns. You can whine about Rush Limbaugh all you want. The Newsroom had Beck dead to rights. It was hilarious, and sad for those who believe what comes out of Beck’s mouth.
Report Post »4xeverything
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:25pmThey are moving this exact UN resolution through this July, 27th. It’s called the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). It is the back door that will result in the repealing of the Second Amendment. Know your facts before you dribble your lies, Troll.
Report Post »Stone Cold Truth
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:29pmDo you think President Obama in his heart of hearts: a) wants to keep 2nd Amendment as is forever, or b) wants to limit guns to only police and military ultimately?
A: If you guessed a) you are either stupid or a liar. Mr. Obama has NEVER supported civilian gun ownership. Just because he hasn‘t done anything doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to. No one ever said that guns will be confiscated on such and such a date. It was simply alluded to that it could be coming if this man has his drothers. Kind of like amnesty, socialized health, socialized auto, etc.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:34pmHow is an opinion a lie? Don’t bother answering. Obama has made it clear they would like to curtail the second amendment. That is a fact. You know it and everyone reading this knows it. At best you can say Glenn Beck used a rhetorical argument as does Limbaugh, Madow and every other talking head out there. In fact, we all use rhetoric to make points and persuade. The english language is precise and complex. You must know it well to effectively communicate and understand others. You need further instruction.
Report Post »SoiledDove
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:37pmYou cannot POSSIBLY seriously believe that an international treaty could ever overturn the US Constitution. If you do believe that…I am speechless.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:39pmI love how libs constantly scream about wanting to abolish firearms, and vote for people who want the same, then call conservatives crazy for believing there are people who want to take away their firearms.
So I guess what you’re trying to say is, you‘re insane and we’re crazy to take you seriously?
Also, Glenn says a lot of things regarding what could happen down the road. Not everything he says is about a specific policy at any one moment. Buying guns before you can’t is a pretty good rule of thumb. He distinguishes between the two types of statements very clearly… but you never do with your out of context soundbites. Ever notice how, for a guy who talks for 3 hours on the radio 5 days a week, there are only a handful of “lies” the MSM peddles? Ever wonder why?
Is he just not saying anything else the other 99.9% of the time, or is the MSM too scared to start that debate? Glenn said Van Jones is a communist, and co-founder of STORM. Debunk that.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:46pmGlenn Beck: “Van Jones is the communist founder of STORM, and a convicted felon.”
MSM: “He isn’t a felon, liar!”
Glenn Beck: “Sorry. He was just in prison.”
MSM: “We called out your lies!”
Glenn Beck: “But he’s still a communist…”
MSM: “And in other news, Paris Hilton…”
Report Post »4xeverything
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:19pm@SOIL
Good. Stay that way.
Report Post »oldduffer
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:22pmTreaties are a serious legal undertaking both in international and domestic law. Internationally, once in force, treaties are binding on the parties and become part of international law. Domestically, treaties to which the United States is a party are equivalent in status to Federal legislation, forming part of what the Constitution calls “the supreme Law of the Land.” However, the word treaty does not have the same meaning in the United States and in international law. Under international law, a “treaty” is any legally binding agreement between nations. In the United States, the word treaty is reserved for an agreement that is made “by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate” (Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution). International agreements not submitted to the Senate are known as “executive agreements” in the United States, but they are considered treaties and therefore binding under international law.
Report Post »rc30
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:14pmNot yet got to get past this election. Then he will try for the guns. Me and wife think they won’t go after the guns. There going to hit the bullets. They try for guns for years now and have not got far. Well not as far as they wanted. Now if you can make the cost of a 223 round $10.00 per bullet. I know am not going shooting hunting any more.
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:29pmMr Beck brags about his lying not only saying that he fed false stories to people preparing biographies on him but that he was able to twist the arms of acquaintances to get them to lie as well.
What kind of friend is that?
Report Post »What kind of morality is that?
Chet Hempstead
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:57pm4xeverything
Report Post »President Obama has made it clear that the United States will support the Arms Trade Treaty only so long as “The Second Amendment to the Constitution must be upheld” and “There will be no restrictions on civilian possession or trade of firearms otherwise permitted by law or protected by the U.S. Constitution.” Now you may not believe that he means what he says, but since he has done nothing to limit your Second Amendment rights so far, you certainly do not have any evidence to support your belief that he doesn’t mean what he says.
dmerwin
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:24pmHave a nice glass of kool aid and a nice day. When you are in a really bad situation will you feel better that only the police, oh and the guy about to cause you serious harm are armed and that the police are twenty minutes out? Look up the UN small arms treaty, while you are at it consider Fast and Furious and what exactly WAS the objective? Think outside the box and don’t glance at the talking points.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:28pmSoiledDove
Report Post »Regarding the constitution. If an international treaty is ratified it IS considered a constitutional amendment. You really need to do some studying and look into this. THIS is WHY they want to sign the treaty to BYPASS the constitution. For now I will consider you to be naive and ignorant.
BeeDee
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:35pm@soiled, yes, international treaties ratfied by congress do take precedense over the constitution.
Report Post »SoiledDove
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:53pm@D and BeeDee. I really don’t know where you are getting your information, but you are flat wrong. Unlike your unfounded assertions, I will provide a citation to support my statement that a treaty does not take precedence over the Constitution, let alone act as a Constitutional amendment (where you people got that crazy idea is beyond me–Article 5 outlines the ways you can amend the Constitution and treaties don’t qualify).
Anyway, check Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1. In it, the Supreme Court clearly states that “It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights — let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition — to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power under an international agreement without observing constitutional prohibitions.”
AND
“There is nothing new or unique about what we say here. This Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.”
Case closed. Your move. Or should I just call checkmate right now?
Report Post »MAX0O1
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:58pmCHECK the facts. Beck always tells his viewers to check for themselves. Checking, I find he is
Report Post »right on. If you were one of his intelligent listeners you would find your own remarks remarkably
ignorant!!!!!!!!!
GeorgieJo
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 12:17amSorkinese would hire the dumber than dumb guy
Why does Sorkinese have a stutter?
Tsk Tsk Drug abuse is horrible karma.
NewYorkers live in a world of their own
Ditto for the LiberalLALimosineKooks.
Time for some RUSH TEA
Report Post »OMG 2012
Skrewedretiree
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 1:12amIf the Supreme Court approves the treaty, we are screwed. They screwed us with the Kelo Decision, they screwed us with the Obamacare Decision, what makes anyone think they won’t screw us again and dump the 2nd Amemdment by backing a UN Treaty agreement?
Stock up, load up, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Remember in November/Lock and Load.
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 1:12amsoileddove. Did you read the article? Here’s an old saw. When can you tell Liberal Trash are lying? Their lips are moving. When can you tell White Liberal Trash are lying? Their lips are moving with great big alligator tears running down their faces. Dr. Savage has stated and I’ve come to believe its true. Liberalism is a metal disease. Liberals feel no shame when they lie, suborn, betray, destroy. Liberals are a cancer in the body of our Republic and they won’t be satisfied until they kill our country and her people. White Liberal Trash hate their own race just ask them, they can’t wait for this once great Country falls apart.Fool’s, liar, cheat, destroyers, no foul deed is to foul for them not to do.
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 1:23amFor the idiot arguing this point .. You are missing the strategy of Clinton here and this is why you are confused. Hilary signs treaty + Harry Reid doesn’t bring treaty to a vote +Obama doesn’t veto or whatever he does = Law of Land by default
Why was Obama in India ?? Oh Yes, I recall now, how silly of me. He gave that long speech of how important “Outsourcing” was to our nation and how that trip, along with Mr. GE, would creat jobs for America…… No, no, wait a minute, now I am confused .. didn’t I just see Obama attacking Romney about outsourcing being UN-american today ?? I am beggining to wonder if it isn‘t only liberals who get Alzheimer’s !
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 1:48am@SOILEDDOVE Rush is right and you know it. Sorkin is just PO’d because Rush slammed his show a couple weeks ago and he just wanted to get a little revenge. On another note: Isn’t a soiled dove an old west term for a whore or a prostitute? Just wondering.
Report Post »grannynurse
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 1:49am@soiled dove, Have you ever heard our president say he himself owns a gun? Oh wait, he doesn’t have to worry about protecting himself or his loved ones, You and I pay for it. Also, isn’t it against the law in the District of Columbia to carry a gun?? It’s a second amendment right, but I’m sure you know that. The only ones you have to be AFRAID of who have guns are those who use them for evil purposes. They don‘t abide by anyone’s law. How can our government legislate that? By making gun ownership illegal for everyone (except government)? That is the plan, making every American citizen dependent on the government for everything they need. BIG MISTAKE.
This administration is bound and determined to usurp the Constitution and you are focused on a television show??? This is a main reason I wouldn’t pay one cent for HBO.
Report Post »GIVE.ME.LIBERTY.OR.I.WILL.GIVE.YOU.DEATH
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:16am@SOILEDOVE,
Report Post »You do need to get your facts straight. I can tell that you still listen to the misguided and falsified media reports from a non-accredited new source. Glenn, Rush and I do advocate our 2nd Amendment. Rush doesnt promoted it though. I think that Rush should promote it now and especially if our rights like Obamacare is in severe jeopardy as he has proven himself to be. The UN and Obama are taking issue at our 2nd Amendment, but you would understand this already if you were an American. Many probably ought to leave this country now before they end up on the wrong end of a barrel due to self defense, if you know what I mean…Unlike Glenn, I think that we will need a revolution to get to a restoration of our original Constitution. Get rid of the Anti Americans on American soil. Our forefathers downfall was to allow anti patriotic people to remain on this land. I will not sit back and wait for a Hitler, a Mao or a Stalin/ or even a Putin to take over my country…Our US Supreme Court just proved that they do not need The US Constitution to make decisions for us The People…TREASON is in order for our current government…
CABERNETQHS
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:16amSh!tbird
If you haven’t noticed, Obama is still the master and his reign is still in power. What happens to our gun rights is yet to be told. Sh!tbird‘s like you will be scratching your mite infested heads wondering what the hell happened to our freedom’s, while the rest of us are prepared for what’s coming.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:17amYo 4X:
LOL so hard I couldn’t get my breath.
Report Post »There are going to be a lot of mouths turning into fly catchers down the road, with some of these people that are driving blind.
chalkdust
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:28amSoiled
Report Post »It’s true that a treaty cannot supersede the Constitution. That’s an undeniable fact. This is civics 101. The post about the UN treaty was making a slippery slope argument. In this case it is a fair argument considering the current administrations justice department enforced an obscure trade law from a foreign country and shut down Gibson Guitar. While this did not involve a treaty, it’s easy to see how this administration would try to find a way around the Constitution. In fact, countless previous administrations have stepped all over the Constitution when it suited them. Not the best argument, but not merit-less.
Or the POSSIBLE UN treaty post could be considered a death by a thousand cuts argument. It’s not unthinkable that liberal, gun control administrations would use a treaty like this or any tool possible to eat into the second amendment. Seems unthinkable but I have been surprised before. These are sound arguments, albeit unintentional.
cassandra
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:34amIf you don’t think obama and his adminisitration is not after your guns you have your head in the sand,
Report Post »t00nces2
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:48amNRA’s best friend?…
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081008091827AApGxec
Report Post »eternal_vigilance
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:39am@SOILED So, I guess you’ll be starting your own news agency soon as you have access to facts and opinions that none of us seem to. Good luck with that.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:50am4x,
Report Post »No U.N. Treaty can trump our Constitution no matter how bad the leftist/progressive in our country would like. Fact is we are a soveriegn nation with a charter guaranteeing gun ownership. The treaty might disarm other country’s citizens but our second amendment is absolute.
sdeakins
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:52amYou soiled yourself.
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:11amRead some before you prove what a d-bag you are. They are trying to do just that and it is the exact same pattern of crap Hitler pulled before he took over Germany. Get a history book.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:14amThe President has on more than one occasion expressed his disdain for the 2nd Amendment and for gun owners, he appointed Eric Holder to DOJ and Fast and Furious has shown that this administration is willing to go to any lengths including facilitating murder and terrorism to perpetuate a myth that United States citizens and business owners are responsible for Cartel violence, he has Cass Sunnstein working on eroding gun owners ability to freely exercise our right to practice with our weapons (EPA and lead bullets: just wait and see what happens). He has been working hard at eroding the 2nd Amendment behind the scenes. He is on record saying as much. God forbid he gets re-elected, because he won’t have to answer to the American people at the ballot box and he will try anything and everything in his power to render the 2nd Amendment meaningless. I’m Curious, Soileddove….do you think there should be more regulations placed upon the right to own and utilize rifles and guns in the USA?
Report Post »Popp40
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:35amEven if this treaty does not affect our 2 Ademendment directly it will affect it indirectly. People need to look at it from all angles…..I believe one of the main parts of this treaty is to limit or outright ban gun sales between countries. Seeing as America exports arms to many countries (Tawain, Isreal, South Korea just to name a few). This will be a large economic hit to America. Plus, we all know that the UN will do all they can to enforce the law against us, however, will do nothing to China, Russia, Iran or any other country when they do not follow the treaty. And we all know that they will not follow the treaty, just look at their past history on following treaties a good place to start would be the treaty START with Russia and them dismantling their Nuclear weapons. They are not doing that, however, we are dismantling ours.
Back to my point of this effecting our ability to own guns indirectly comes in 2 ways. The first deals with gun companies losing the income mentioned above, this loss of income will cause guns to be so expensive that no one will be able to afford them, except of course the government. The second is that this treaty requires a registration database controlled by the UN of everyone in America that owns a gun to register with. So that means other countries will know who in American owns guns. Many will say this isn’t a big deal but this is the UN we are talking about and they are nothing but a big failure and they will use this info against us.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:46amSoiledDove,
Last week of July Hillary Clinton will sign a treaty with the UN to Bind the US to international Gun Restrictions, A Treaty so that Congress ISN’T Making a law restricting Guns. Bypassing the 2nd Amendment. So how is Glenn Becks Opinion of Obama’s intentions a lie?
Correct of you to use the euphmizm for Whore as a name.
Report Post »FREDINOHIO
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:50amIf you knew your constitution you would know the following: 1) If a treaty is signed by the POTUS or the secretary of state it becomes law and part of the constitution unless the senate votes it down or the president resinds it. 2) in this case, if the treaty is signed during the lame duck session and the Harry Reed does not allow the treaty to be voted on, and then Obama is reelected we will be forced
Report Post »to comply with the treaty. 3) one of the provisions of the ATT is the immediate inventory and registration of all weapons (guns) in the U.S. with the UN making the decision of who keeps what. So to answer your question, “Do I really think this treaty could override the Constitution?” Remember we are dealing with an organization that wants no weapons in the hands of civilians. So, YES, Obama through this treaty could with the help of the UN eliminate our second amendment rights. Wake up, Soileddove, you’re not in Kansas anymore. There are people and organizations the want to see America fall, and they don’t care what they have to do to make Her fall. And by the way, Obama is not your friend or a friend of America or the American people. Judge a tree by its fruits. No good fruit has come from the Obama tree nor will it ever.
VRW Conspirator
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:56am@Soileddove..
if you believe that an international treaty CAN NOToverturn the Constitution…you are amazingly stupid and don’t understand the Constitution…
IF the US Senate ratifies a treaty signed by the President…that treaty…saying it is international is STUPID since all treaties are with other countries and thus international…has the force of LAW and an Amendment to the Constitution and can ONLY be removed through act of Congress and signature of the President…
BASICALLY…in order for the USA to opt out of a treaty once it is ratified and signed, Congress must pass an Amendment deeming the treaty unconstitutional and illegal and against the sovereignty of the USA and the Rights of her People …
EVEN if the other nation or nations in the treaty DO NOT UPHOLD their end of the bargin…US LAW says WE MUST!! except in cases of outbreak of hostile and OPEN DECLARED WAR!
So if the US Senate ratifies Kyoto (already signed by Clinton) or LOST or ATT or Agenda 21 or ANY other UN/International accord or treaty – US LAW states that the resolution/accord/treaty has the SAME AFFECT as an Amendment to the US Constitution…making it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to repeal since amending the Constitution requires 2/3 of BOTH Houses and President’s signature…we can’t even get the Senate to PASS a budget with a simple majority…you think you can get 2/3 of them to REPEAL a UN resolution that nearly half of them already support??
Report Post »JJStryder
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:12amFast and furious was the Obama administration working to restrict gun ownership by laying out evidence against lawful gun dealers. Google it! You really need to load your brains before you shoot off a comment as full of B.S. as yours.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:14am@Soiled….good you can read…well at least you can read court decisions…how about the ACTUAL Constitution…
the Supreme Court has the final say in ALL cases of acts by the President and Congress, they just don’t do their job most of the time and only take issue AFTER a citizen SCREAMS FOUL!
the Supreme Court can ALSO override a Constitutional Amendment if they deem that Amendment violates the rights of citizens, they do it with State constitutional amendments all the time. they haven’t done it with a US Amendment but they have heard cases before, check Prohibition, taxation, and Suffrage, and the 14th which directly (at times) is at odds with the 10th and 9th.
IF the Supreme Court hears the case, which usually they don’t with some stupid excuse of not wanting to step on “law making” by the Congress, then there would first have to be a challenge! Which means, as the case works its way through the Federal system – which could take years – it would have the FORCE and EFFECT of FULL US law as an Amendment to the Constitution…
You REALLY think it will take them longer than 2 years, let alone 2 months or days, to begin rounding up people for their guns and taking them and destroying them (or the way things work now, selling them in Mexico or the 3rd world)…by the time the SCOTUS rules on the case, Obama will have STRIPPED all US citizens of their gun rights, destroyed them all, and banned manufacturing..
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:23amwake up slave
Report Post »mils
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:28amre international treaty over riding us constitution….if obama gets reelected…sit back and watch …and be ready to eat your words…we have seen obama in action..his friday edicts etc..
Report Post »AND WE HAVE A GOP THAT DOES “NOTHING”, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING…whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
an opinion is NOT a lie..period, or we would all be liars everyday….
AND my “opinion” is the republican and democrats are in this together working to get obama reelected, creating a police state, complete with brown shirts and jackboots…a “real” banana republic…wouldn’t the people that gave their lives to make this a free country be proud…of where we have landed….in our apathy…
why else would the GOP sit back and take all the BS Obama people dish out..\
. milquetoast and I’m tired of it…BUT>>>who do you vote for?…the devil or the devil?…
Pacman116
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:30amPoor soileddove. You don’t get out much do ya?
Report Post »JRook
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:35amWell said and the truth lies in Rush’s response
“for claiming he was lying because he quoted a news story that turned out to be inaccurate”
Now isn’t that the cowardly game the conservative TV, radio and blogs play. They knowingly reference each others inaccurate reports, adding credibility to them based on the references and, when the lie is exposed claim they were just referencing an inaccurate story.
Its all a very sad and weak circle jerk that exposes the real character of a group of individuals who similarly like to reference God and imply they sit on the higher ground of journalism.
LOL and this stuff actually gets defended here by the angry mob. Too bad they don’t stop long enough to realize that we have the best politicians that money can buy and not realize who can afford to buy them. Based on that one can only deduce that government and the state of the country is where the wealthy and large corporations have taken it.
Report Post »RGFROMTEXAS
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 11:02amRush lies everday !! He loves to play with the job numbers. I think the most hurtful lie was when he lied about Sandra Fluke’s testimony (he later admitted he never heard the testimony) and then called her names because of that testimony. Here are a few of my favorites:
MAY 4, 2010: ” Faisal Shahzad (The Times Square Bomber) is a registered democrat”. The truth is he wasn’t a registered voter at all.
MAR 9, 2010: “People can’t go fishing anymore because of President Obama”
JUN 12, 2009: “Exercise freaks are what is causing your Insurance Premiums to go up”
FEB 3, 2012: “There is definitely a link between abortion and breast cancer”
CAMPAIGN 2008: “Last night Michell Obama ordered room service that consisted of lobster, Iranian caviar, and Champaign” Also during the campaign he claimed that he had a tape of the First Lady using racial slurs.. All of which were false !!!
If you want more just ask !!
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 11:07amSoiledDove (YOUR LOGIN ID SAYS IT ALL!)
Report Post »YOU are another DELUSIONAL libertard troll. PLEASE go away. INTELLIGENT and TRUTHFUL people comment on this board. GEEZ…………..
Try taking the guns away from gun owners and YOU WILL have yourself a civil war and YOU WILL LOSE. WHY? Like I said, INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE ON THIS BOARD……WE HAVE ALL THE GUNS! Try winning that civil war.
drphil69
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 11:43amDONT BUY GUNS, DONT BUY AMMO. DONT PREPARE. OBAMA WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU!!!
And if he doesn’t, please BREAK INTO MY HOUSE – I’LL BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU FREE LEAD, AT HIGH VELOCITY OF COURSE, AND THE FOXES AND BUZZARDS WILL BE HAPPY FOR THE MEAL…
Report Post »Dr. Joel Fleischman
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 2:14pmThe only thing that will be soiled will be your pajama pants the morning of November 7th.
Report Post »SnowKalBebes
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 2:19pmRelax sheeple nobody is going to take your guns…since when has the U.S. honored any treaties anyways…
Report Post »Oldshooter
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 2:49pmAhhh…Hate to break this to you “Soiled,” but the fact is, that if two-thirds of the US Senate actually ratify this disastrous treaty, it DOES in fact, supercede the Constitution/Bill of Rights. Thus, if anything (think about all the things we are just now learning about that no one knew were in Obamacare when they voted for it) I repeat, ANYTHING that is in the ATT, or that subsequently comes OUT of the ATT (which will inevitably be modified repeatedly by the international panel that determines how its terms and meaning should be construed), will automatically take precedence over our 2nd Amendment. That is a fact, and no one with any knowledge of international law disputes it. That’s probably why Obama so strongly supports it. In the future, perhaps you should seek your news elsewhere than MSNBC, Ma’am.
Report Post »SoiledDove
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:11pm@OldShooter.
I don’t know how MSNBC plays into this, but I get my facts from history, the Constitution, and the Supreme Court.
I‘ve provided my evidence and satisfied my burden of proof in showing that this country’s chief judicial body doesn’t think treaties supersede the Constitution. I don’t know what legal scholars you are getting your info from, but they have no basis for their beliefs.
If you disagree with me, I’d love to see the PROOF that you are right.
Report Post »Windsong
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:48pmWell, Soileddove, I will pray for you. You continue to watch your ‘comedy’ show, and trust that Mr. Sorkin has researched anything in his life. I will continue to prepare myself for what is coming – that you seem oblivious to. While I am eating and enjoying famiy and growing my own food…while I am warm in the winter and cool in the summer, healthy and happy, you can go and beg for food, blankets, candles and comfort at Mr. Sorkin’s house. After he has a good laugh and slams the door in your face, I guarantee that any individual who listens to and believes what Mr. Beck has to say, will feed you, give you warmth and teach you to grow your own garden and catch your own fish.
Report Post »Bowlz
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:39pmSoiled: (Perfect tag for you by the way). The difference between right and wrong in many cases, is time. Beck has been accurrate via audio/visual; prove it wrong. Audio/visual is excellent evidence in a courtroom so I don’t know how you could prove him wrong while proving your side right. (I totally understand that libs/progs/marxists don’t allow facts to get in their way). Jeff Daniels made me cry laughing in Dumb and Dumber. Now he’s making me cry for actually being Dumber for participating in this total BS, empty, Hollywood idiocy. You can’t live in the land of make believe forever.
Report Post »The_Eye
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:13pmWhile SoiledDove is correct that a treaty doesn’t supersede the Constitution, he/she fails to acknowledge or realize that parts of treaties can have ‘dubious’ effects on the enforcement of said Constitution.
Report Post »For example, the quotes of Obama supporting the 2nd are false. In fact if you search the archives of thehill.com you will see his only objection to this treaty so far is tracking requirement on ammo and that is only because it will be onerously expensive for the state to pay for.
Now, if the treaty had language that had the exact language of the 2nd Amerndment but just reversed all positives to negatives et al then yes, it would be easily smacked down.
However, since the members of the SCOTUS and the general public for that matter can‘t seem to agree that the 2nd amendment applies to individuals or if it applies only to government entities it’s not a stretch at all to see how a treaty that bans guns would effectively trample on the 2nd amendment for people who view it as an individual right when/if the SCOTUS says the ban doesn’t effect those people whom they believe the 2nd amendment is targeted towards.
If Scalia or Alito died and Obama got another liberal judge on there do you really think they would not try to vote that way? I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Now the real question is would they really have to guts to enact it and face armed revolution? That is another matter entirely.
right-wing-waco
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:56pm@ SoiledDove
You may be correct about the supremacy of the Constitution over treaties…but, when has this administration given a rat-furry-behind about the Constitution? Our self proclaimed KING has no qualms about writing, modifying, or just ignoring any laws that he don’t like. Please show me “Executive Orders” in the Constitution.
He will attack the 2nd Amendment when it serves HIS purpose. The first attack will be the “assult” rifles and then ammo. No ammo, guns worthless.
DO NOT underestimate the scheming of the Commie in the White House.
Report Post »ROCKETSMOM
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:13pmITS WAY, WAY TOO EARLY TO MAKE THAT CLAIM…..the game aint over ’til November!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »4blackhorses
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:54pmAlthough I dought that you own a gun or have ever been familiar with firearms, the fact that the Obama, his administration and Sec. of State, Hillary Clinton, are favorable towards the U.N.’s proposal which would, in effect, cancel our Second Amendment Rights to legally own a gun.
Report Post »You say you’d be “speechless” and don’t believe this could happen because “it would overturn our Constitution.” Think how disprespectful this so-called president has been of our Constitution since he acquired office. That “speechless” you refer to may be the next thing taken from the American people!
dmerwin
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:22pmRegarding the treaty issue Mea Culpa I should have looked it up before posting. However, there is an undeniable trend in our country to “look to other nations laws”, this does not bode well. I will give one example. How much of the rest of the world is trying to get to the US vs how many US citizens are revoking their citizenship and seeking citizenship elsewhere? Two recent high profile stories in the news regarding people moving to Austria to avoid the coming US taxation. The same sort of migration FROM Britain happened in the 70′s with many rock stars, ironically, they moved to the US.
Report Post »Let there be no doubt that the Hillary-Obama wing DO NOT want us to have guns.
dmerwin
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:33pmWait… there is more regarding treaties.
http://www.tpromo2.com/gko/may02/050802.htm and
It is not completely settled.
Report Post »In general, treaties are treated just like acts of Congress, and so theoretically can be ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
However, no treaty has ever been ruled to be unconstitutional, and Justice Holmes did write in Missouri v. Holland ”Acts of Congress are the supreme law of the land only when made in pursuance of the Constitution, while treaties are declared to be so when made under the authority of the United States. It is open to question whether the authority of the United States means more than the formal acts prescribed to make the convention.” Which is kinda creepy.
But otherwise, it would appear that a conflict between a treaty and the Bill of Rights would be found in favor of the Bill of Rights.
Sources: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/10.html
RMAC22
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:43pmChange your name to soiledpants and wear a hat so it can be soiled as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »karensguyrn
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:13amThe epa is putting together a ban on lead used in bullets under the pretext that lead shot is causing damage to the environment. Try making bullets without lead. We will be able to get guns but bullets will be rare. This is the back-door way to get our guns. People in the know are stocking up on bullets and reload supplies.
Report Post »texmex1973
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:51amReally?? What rock did you just crawl out from under? It’s obvious he wants to take peoples right to bear arms. He said he would sign and ABIDE by the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) a UN resolution designed to MAKE American citizens register every weapon they have. What do you think Fast and Furious was all about? If it worked like HE (as in Obama, Yes I think he kew and aoutjhorized it) planned it to, he could say “see what happens when you don’t have gun controls”. Let me give you an example of what happens when people HAVE to register their guns. New York, yes New York, not Nazi Germany or Soviet Union, passed a law that MADE every New Yorker register their guns. As soon as the last person did, guess what happened? You got it, they BANNED ALL GUNS. And they KNEW every person that had one and what kind they had. You and your Liberal/Progressive AKA Socialists/Communists better get your heads out of the sand and start understanding EXACTLY what you are supporting.
Report Post »texmex1973
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:54amInternational treaties actually DO trump the US Constitution UNLESS the President RTENOUNCES it. That is actually the truth go look it up.
Report Post »stomata
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:40pmThe one who is lying is Obama. In 2010 Obama reversed US policy of refusing the UN Arms Treaty… and essentially authorized a meeting for summer of 2012 to reconsider the treaty. This is according to my US Representative just yesterday. Secondly, you can view this video to see what the likely outcome will be: http://www.dickmorris.com/hillarys-end-run-on-gun-control-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports
Report Post »GIVE.ME.LIBERTY.OR.I.WILL.GIVE.YOU.DEATH
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:07pmSo SOILEDOVE, about a week later then this report comes out? They are going to try with all of their might and power to pull this off like ObamaCare… http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/20/un-arms-treaty-aims-at-terror-but-puts-second-amendment-in-crosshairs/
Report Post »apojoe69
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:50pmJeff Daniels has always been on my “he is ok list” but when he starts spouting hate on my Rushbo he is quickly on my “**** list”. I don’t care if its for pretend.
Report Post »catholicextremist
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:58pmHis best movie was dumb and dumber and I’m not sure which one he was.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 1:17amAPOJOE69, Actually Rush has praised Jeff Daniels for never pushing his personal politics. In fact, earlier in his show Monday he pointed out that we really don’t know what his politics are. As for the HBO show, is in a contract to play a part. He is merely following his script, although it certainly sucks.
Report Post »CABERNETQHS
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:26am“Ecinaba in da moonlight” was a very funny movie. It makes me sad to see Jeff Daniels go to the dark side. Maybe he’s just hard up for cash.
Report Post »Mapache
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:38amHe was good in Gettysburg and he has turned into such a disappointment. I know he is just an actor and has to make a living but one wonders if some actors have a ‘hard-deck‘ as to what they just won’t do.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:03amI wouldn’t worry to much about “expired” gunpowder. I have shot military surplus rounds that were over 50 years old and they fired fine. In other words, it takes a very long time for smokeless gun powder to deteriorate and no ammunition company is going to leave it in storage long enough for it to go bad. As for the brass being weaker, I reload allot of my ammunition and there are some companies whose brass seems weaker then others but they are made by companies that sell them at a very cheap price to begin with and one of the ways they do that is to cut back somewhat on the brass. Most brass that I reload is fine and even the discount ones I can reload 2 or 3 times.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 11:10amJeff Daniels IS DOOMED as an actor.
Report Post »FMJGunny
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:48pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae74oMMQ4ak
1.2 – 1.5 million BACKGROUND checks every month since BEFORE the 2008 elections were held.
Winchester has ADDED a fourth shift to manufacture ammo for more than two years. HOW? They used to run 24/7 five days a week. They found that extra 40 hours by only shutting down for maintenance for eight hours every week instead of two days.
Report Post »Pete
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:36pmQuestion: how do you run 24/7 5days a week? 24/7 means 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 12:21amHas anyone heard that ammo being produced with expired gun powder???
Report Post »Or that the metal casings are now made weaker???
Nothing would surprize me.
OMG 2012
VRW Conspirator
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:48amGeorgio…
Report Post »depends on who you buy your ammo from and what type…lots of brands on the market…not all US companies…
i only look for ammo that is rated for US military and law enforcement…more expensive but worth it… unless I am just going to the range..then just buy the cheapest stuff….clean the weapon after each use…and then reload the good rounds at home and when you carry…
Larry E
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:41pmThe left has to lie about everything because otherwise they’d have nothing to talk about. It’s like the tv show I never watched, The Left Wing or The West Wing or whatever it was called that was pure leftist BS from what I could gather. Have to propagandize the useful idiots.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:40pmHow much did it cost? How many people did he take with him? I know that Mooshelle took a gaggle with her to London… I don’t remember Barbara or even Hillary or the first first lady named Mrs. Bush doing that. That’s not the only trip that MOOSHELLE took with an entourage.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:34pmRush never retracts his lies.
Report Post »Lefties are out to get him.
DIR
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:24pmThere’s an independant firm who fact checks radio shows. Rush, I think,is 98.7% of the time right on according to the ratings. The rest of the time he is not considered a lier, but inaccurate (1.3% of the time). That’s incredible! Rush has no reason to lie. He make a lot of money giving his listeners the facts. It’s the left that vilifies Rush calling him liar, idiot, etc. I heard a fact check of most liberals sources rates them at about 42%, with a large percentage of lies. They have all kinds of reasons for lying. If they told the truth they’d be out of business. Personally, I think the lefts credibility is a lot less than 42%. I’ll take Rush any day. Libs hate the truth, because the truth will set you free. Liberal lies will set you free too, of your cash, your freedom and when, like a bad meal, it gives you the schitz.
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:26pmMr. Limbaugh lied about the effect of the recent boycott against him, claiming that his affiliate’s advertisers were his own.
This website from Florida says Mr. Limbaugh mostly lies;
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/
Report Post »DIR
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:24pm@MARYBETH…
You may have a point. However, Its very interesting the left is after Rush for lying. So who is Limbaugh? A radio host. The real concern should be with the democrats, especially Barry. He’s President. He lies all the time. Do you ever hear the left being concerned about facts and truth whereas libs are concerned? No! Barry is in charge of this country. Rush is in charge of a crummy old radio program 3 hrs a day 5 days a week. Barry is President of the U.S. 365 plus days a year for his entire term and has a wide range of effects on the citizenry. Who does Rush effect. If I don’t listen to his program, he can’t make the IRS go after me, or put me out of business. This concern about Rush lying is nothing more than a diversion and a PR stunt.
It’s interesting how the left parses lies and deals with them. The left loves to lie, So if Limbaugh lies what does he get out of it? It recks his cred. Good try though
By the way, your site to which you direct people is a left wing propoganda mill. Where are all the facts about the lies coming from the one who matters, Barry? If you want to believe what that site has to say, that’s fine. It’s a joke though, not for what it has to say about Limbaugh, but that its wasting time with Limbaugh, not Barry. Limbaugh doesn‘t matter to me Barry does and Barry is very deceitful and that’s only a small part of it. He’s very bad for this country as I see it.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 1:20amVERCEOFREASON, Hell, you have never retracted your lies, and you posted some zingers here. Liar!
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 7:47amWhat?
Rush Limbaugh is a comedian.
Since he can’t work blue his choices were either to be self-depreciating or
play the pompous guy oblivious to his own foolishness.
He chose the latter.
Of course he lies. It’s part of the act.
But Birchers have no sense of humor. They don’t get the joke.
Keep fightin’ those Commies you fifth column dupes.
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:09amLOL, yeah so NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC never lie right.
Enjoy you’re cool aid.
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:09amRush does not lie!!! Lefties NEVER tell the truth nothing good ever comes out of their wicked, depraved and evil LITTLE minds. Just like their fuhrer Barrack they believe whatever they say is true just because they said it, no matter if it is known to be untrue or how irrational it is it just doesn’t matter to them.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 11:14am@marybethelizabeth
It’s a shame you can ignore a century of mass murder and genocide and then make a joke of it.
A shame but not surprising. Most of you do.
Report Post »JohnLarson
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:33pmAdmit it… you all like Game of Thrones.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:48pmHave you seen the new game called “PONG”:? It’s pretty neat. I’m thinking of buying it.
Report Post »JohnLarson
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:51pmGoT is a show not a game ******.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:42pmGame of Thrones is a waste of time.
Report Post »And I’ve never even seen it.
But it doesn’t take an expert to devalue everything you make reference to.
Dr. Joel Fleischman
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 2:07pmYou do.
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:30pmhbo sucks…got rid of it when i got cable tv…never ever ever to be seen again in my house
Report Post »Right of Right
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 2:54pmI did too. I do not support the secular progressive garbage produced by that network. Its as bad as watching MSNBC.
Report Post »Wu Ming Ren
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:28pmI have not had TV in my home for three years. My children, now 9 and 10 years old, will not be corrupted by it, nor will I be corrupted by it. Other children plop in front of TV for hours at a time, and if not TV, then XBox, cell phone text messaging, and other frivolous persuits. My children are persuing photography, natural science, astronomy, aeronautics, etc. I don’t buy them $200 sneakers or $300 electronic games. I buy them telescopes, microscopes, chemistry sets, and such. They will soon be old enough for flying lessons. My children are also learning about finances, keeping track of their chores and the commissions paid for them, understanding that hard work is a prerequisite to wealth. They have their own bank accounts and keep their own books. They will not use credit to get instant gratification, but will save to make their major purchases. My kids will be the bosses of their peers. They will be independent, self-sustaining, confident, wealth producing leaders.
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:25pmAnd to think that Jeff Daniels was pushing how ‘great’ it was to do business in his home state of Michigan (one of the WORST states to do business in, by the way). Nothing that comes out of this @$$-clown actor’s mouth is worth a listen.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:39pmYes .. I have met old Jeff … I used to work in Chelsea Michigan .. my old hometown newspaper (down I-94 to the west) has been pushing this show almost daily …. I like what one of the people commenting posted ….
“This show is a Sorkin wet dream where he tries to relive the past arguments and win them (this time around).
HBO is a debacle. This junk, Maher, and the rest of the sordid ilk do nothing but spread cultural pollution.”
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:23pmDoes anyone actually pay for this stupidity?
Report Post »There is absolutely Nothing on this station I would watch for free!
castuslonginus
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:00amThe last good thing on hbo(bho????) was Rome. When it ended so did my veiwership. As far as bho(hbo????) and gun control,I’ve never seen,met, nor even heard tell of a liberal that didn,t want to control who had them and who could get them. They try to control every aspect,what you eat,drink,listen to or watch.They know better than you,because they have “good intentions”. Right.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:19pmForget Aaron Sorkin. This is about Rush. He did say Obama’s trip to India cost $200 million. It cost nowhere near that. On learning the truth, Rush did not retract or correct; it would of course be too much to expect him to apologize. He said something that was not true, and then moved on. He does that a lot. Drive-by media indeed.
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:32pmYou are really confusing these rubes
Report Post »Larry E
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:38pmUnlike say the nitwits at MSNBC or any of the other lamestream media outlets?
Report Post »DonaldH
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:49pmUmmm, he got the info from “THE DRIVE BY MEDIA” you rube
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:48pmI remember when this happened. It was widely reported that it cost 200 million. Beck, Fox, CNN everyone reported on it. Then a week later it comes out that the figures were wrong. The figures came from the White House. So, saying Limbaugh lied is inaccurate. I don‘t know why he didn’t decide to cover the retraction. Don’t care. Maybe because it was redundant to cover what we already knew. You’re stretching trying to make Limbaugh out as the evil manipulator. It’s just not accurate.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:41pm@Lloyd,
What I have been able to find is that the original story originated from a publication in India, and that the amount that was mentioned was 200 million Rupees, which would translate to about 3.8 million a day, which would be about right.
The story was misreported widely around the world as 200 million DOLLARS.
Now whether or not Rush read the story on the air, I don’t know, but if he did, and later found out that it was wrong, he most likely mentioned that also.
I did not do an exhaustive search, but not much came up about it except for the usual left wing blog crap.
So if you have some concrete evidence that Rush said it, meant it, and stuck by it………please furnish it for us.
Report Post »rickinpa
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:43amAnd your point? Ruch is a stinkin talk show host. Let me know when OBama corrects a lie for instance U.S. has only 2% of oil reserves in world, we’ll add thirty million people to the healthcare system without affecting quality? PLease explain how that’s possible? How about Clinton’s BIG LIES ” I never had sex with that woman…” which costs millions in investigation costs, wasted thousands of hours of congressional time etc, yet somehow he’s still a hero to the left. LOL Hypocrites.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:18pmBarry has been the #1 gun salesman for 4 years running. I’ve been buying guns most of my life, I don’t need Rush to tell me the need for good tools in times like these.
I don’t think the uptick in gun sales was fear of losing the 2nd AMD as much as it was people waking up to the communist takeover.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:16pmIt’s HBO, nobody has watched it since The Sopranos ended. They are just flailing around trying desperately to be relevant again.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:42pmYes .. even around his hometown the newspaper is having daily updates on the show .. trying to get someone, anyone to watch it!
http://search.mlive.com/newsroom+daniels
I hope this link works .. it shows just how many stories they are taking up the REAL NEWS with this fake news.
Report Post »MarkstoneUSA
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:44pmRight on… even though Rush proves them to be self-serving idiots, they’re loving the fact that at least someone, somewhere said anything about them…
Report Post »PeoplesLibertysTeeth
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:15pmThis makes Harry Dunne look like a freakin genius….wait a minute….come to think of it maybe this is all part of promoting dumb & dumber 2….“Jim Carrey pulled out and the film was cancelled”, psssshhhh, yeah right…you Farrelly brothers are some sneaky sons a bees!!!!
Report Post »KokinoAcer
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:14pmWhat amazes me is how the left is really an absolute joke,but no shows are ever produced to harness this goldmine.Only talk shows and networks like Fox have tapped into the insanity of the liberal class for cash.Why can’t all good americans profit from those idiots or at least get another laugh.
Report Post »CA Okie
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:05pmYou mean that there is profit ? Oh yeah, forgot about Al (should be) Gore(d). Gullible warming and all. Distortion of history, how come they don’t talk about the Medival Warming Period when it was
Report Post »4 degrees warmer than NOW! What work of art Al is. Talks like he gives a crap about the Environment. Wonder how much Tippper was paid to be quiet ? Hope she made a profit off his
lying butt. He has done nothing but cost the rest of us.
SocialistSlayer
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:13pmHBO has the balls to call someone a Liar? You losers need to crawl back into your hole!
Report Post »PoliticalTs.com
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:12pmSign this official petition to get Obama to answer about cocaine use.
Report Post »https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/obama-must-answer-question039s-about-cocaine-use-possesion-dealing/ygqWvSp8
SimpleTruths
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:20pmReally? Is that what’s important to you? He already admitted he used coke in his youth. For that matter, so did Bush so what’s your point.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:37pmYeah, but I’m pretty sure that BUSH stopped.
Report Post »oldduffer
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:28pm@simplemind
Report Post »Use of drugs and selling are felonies is the point. He has also been accused of dealing and admits all this in his book. Those are serious prison sentence felonies. That’s the point.
338lapua
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:25pmI would LOVE to re-unite the CHOOM GANG for a campaign appearance! He needs to TEACH the total emersion cannabis smoking technique. FFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:11pm…
Report Post »Everyone loves Rush.
He paved the way for all conservative talk programs, including Hannity and Beck.
Stoic one
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:55pmYou are quite correct.
Report Post »coldarkstare
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:11pmjust another reason i do not and will not watch HBO , all crap.. all the time.
Report Post »MrKnowItAll
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:07pmNo one has to tell us to Buy Guns. Common Sense has make us Buy Guns. My Wife HATED GUNS. With a Passion. My Wife is not Stupid. She had me buy her TWO. If that is not amazing, I do not know what is.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:14pmObama was my inspiration to buy my (2) weapons. In that respect, I guess he was good for something.
Report Post »Re-Founding Sons
Posted on July 17, 2012 at 9:04amAgreed, I did the concealed carry course earlier this year, and purchased my first hand gun…it just seemed like something I should do.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:06pmIf Rush ever gets tired of radio he should try sumo wrestling in japan.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:09pmOr hairdresser for Joe Biden….
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:15pmSimple Facts: obama’s just a strung-out crackhoor felon communist who was placed in the WH by the Communist Party (aka the Democrat Plantation) and Rush Limbaugh is a straight-talking 100% AMERICAN.. something that rabid animal obama (who is wallowing in its fecal matter) can NEVER claim to be.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:19pmBoth of you sound envious…. Green really looks bad on you both.
Report Post »oldduffer
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:33pmDoesn’t have to. Unlike Obama, Rush went out and became a capitalist and made enough money to retire and not have to wrestle. More like the capitalists Gates, Buffett and the rest of the Hypocrite left.
Report Post »At least he works and doesn’t suck off the public like the lame douch President Hussein Obama has done almost all his adult life.
Sharon Rose
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:05pmWho is HBO?? Maybe BHO mixed up?
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:05pmTruth matters not to liberals. They can get away with lying and misrepresenting because other liberals will believe anything negative about a Republican without demanding any kind of confirmation. It is only those who are conservative who are required to authenticate every word they say and every quote they use.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:11pmIt’s the “intention” that’s more important to statists and their allies. The truth is maleable..flexible. It’s not important. What’s important is that the the unwashed masses are taught what to think and who to listen to. The state always knows best.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:11pmLike Kenyan? Muslim? Killed gay lover? No, conservatives are always required to prove everything.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:22pmAvengerK:
So it doesn‘t really matter whether Rush was telling the truth about Obama’s trip costing $200 million/day. What matters is his intention, which was to show that the administration spends too much money. His mouth misleads, but his heart is pure.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:01pmThe “Newsroom”. More like the “Progressive Propaganda Room”.
Report Post »Blazebanned
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:01pmHBO is still around,…….why?
Report Post »EJ1979
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:20pmSoprano’s re runs.
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