Hell-Skeptic Ex-Pastor Rob Bell Headed for Hollywood

Rob Bell has become quite adept at sending shockwaves through the evangelical church.

Hell Skeptic Ex Pastor Rob Bell Headed for Hollywood

His best-selling book Love Wins sparked a huge controversy earlier this year, questioning if anyone actually goes to hell. Then just a week ago Bell dropped a legion of jaws after announcing his resignation from the pulpit of the 10,000-strong Mars Hill Bible Church to pursue “strategic opportunities” related to “sharing the message of God’s love with a broader audience.”

Turns out the first of Bell’s opportunities is penning the pilot of a TV show based loosely on his life.

Stronger is about a musician, Tom Stronger, who becomes “a benefactor and spiritual guide,” according to New York’s Vulture site. Bell will executive produce and write the potential ABC series with Carlton Cuse, one half of the duo responsible for the megahit series, Lost.

Here’s how the pair hooked up, according to Vulture:

Bell and Cuse first met up a few years back, at Time magazine’s 100-most-influential-people-in-the-world dinner. They kept in touch and ultimately came up with the idea of a series that would be loosely based on Bell’s own life story as a musician who ended up founding his own church, Michigan’s Mars Hill Bible Church… Stronger is…expected to explore spiritual themes but without being as on-the-nose as other recent series that have tackled these issues, such as 7th Heaven and Touched by an Angel. There’s also expected to be a narrative twist to the project that will make it a bit unconventional, but for now, that detail is being kept secret (this show is from a Lost-ie, after all).

And this Vulture tidbit should please Love Wins fans:

While based on biblical principles, Bell’s brand of spirituality is not about hard-core evangelical, fire-and-brimstone teachings. Instead, his goal is to service folks’ spiritual needs without the overlay of religious dogma (see also: Oprah).

The hip, outspoken ex-pastor has had quite an eventful 2011. His unorthodox views on hell angered scores of evangelicals who called him everything from a heretic to a universalist. Rev. John Piper—an evangelical elder statesman, author, and pastor—weighed in with his now-famous tweet, “Farewell Rob Bell.”

Even left-leaning MSNBC host Martin Bashir couldn’t swallow Bell’s stance, charging that with Love Wins he is “amending the gospel”:

But amid the tidal wave of criticism, many Christians have supported Bell’s views—including one pastor who lost his job after sticking up for Bell.

Here‘s Bell’s trailer explaining his intent with Love Wins:

Bell reportedly told the Mars Hill congregation last Sunday that among his plans was a move to Los Angeles and a speaking tour called “Fit to Smash Ice.”

A statement on the web site of Mars Hill in Grandville, Mich., near Grand Rapids, addresses Bell’s resignation and reads, in part:

Feeling the call from God to pursue a growing number of strategic opportunities, our founding pastor Rob Bell, has decided to leave Mars Hill in order to devote his full energy to sharing the message of God’s love with a broader audience. It is with deeply mixed emotions that we announce this transition to you. We have always understood, encouraged, and appreciated the variety of avenues in which Rob’s voice and the message of God’s tremendous love has traveled over the past 12 years.

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  • thecrazypastor
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 9:50pm

    A lot of what is said about Christian beliefs based on the Bible, whether here or elsewhere, are misunderstandings. It is not true for instance, that the Bible or even many evangelicals, specifically teach that people who have never heard of Jesus are automatically consigned to hell. Yes it IS true that only through Jesus is anyone saved from hell, but that was also true for Moses despite the fact Moses never heard of Jesus (since Moses lived before Jesus was born). What the Bible does say specifically is that God has always spoken in some form or another to every person on the face of the earth. Responding to that message, whether you are a person in China staring at the stars on a clear night, or in Dallas listening to a Billy Graham sermon, is what is necessary to avoid hell.

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 10:26pm

      Acts 24: 15 I have a hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

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    • thecrazypastor
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 11:34pm

      it is appointed for people to die once–and after this, judgment– (Hebrews 9:27) Corpses can’t really face judgment so yeah, there would have to be a resurrection from THIS life for both the righteous and the unrighteous.

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    • closetotheedge
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 8:11am

      All will be judged and any who have died having not heard of Jesus will be judged for their way of life and the hearts of each.Jesus is the prefect one to seperate the wheat from the chaff.Allways rightous knowing the hearts’ of man,who When He died went to the grave and preaced the gospel to all that were there multitudes who had heard the prophets and the Bible but did’nt understand it. Jesus was there and gave the call to all.I can’t fathom any who would not fall down in worship to Jesus but some might of. Rob Bell,Rick Warren,R.Schuller,Elizabeth Clair Prophet,The Moonies ( the Universal Church Triumphent ( EC Prophet) and the Moonies have united into on ‘ism’. Re. Moon says he came to Earth to finnish what Jesus failed to complete while here. What a puttz! And ECProphet gets here wisdom while in a trance,a 45.000 yr. old ‘wiseman’ speaks thru her to a massive following who fall for this.Why ask the dead for the living? But Bell andWarren and so many others removing crosses,alters music, accepting all life-styles as OK, and with all the apostosy among other doctrines/churches that ****,lesb,transg,opening the floodgates that all lifesyles are just fine with God! Read for yourselves what is written. These men and all who preach this false religion are wolves feeding people blinded and unlearned. Please people,take out your bibles and read for yourselves the Truth of Gods’ Word.In Malachi God says “ My people perish for lack of wisdom” A A Christian Patriot

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 9:49am

      sounds more like he is headed to hell

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    • en2deep
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:27pm

      Going to Hollywood to be useful idiot of the left. He is like the false prophets of the Old Testament who prophesied what the people wanted to hear, instead of what God was really saying. Keep the people comfortable in their sin and you only enlarge hell. Good job Rob.

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    • mamachihuahua
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:43am

      The apostasy has to come before the end. Read Jude, not a good ending for people leading others astray!

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    • Thomas
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:49am

      Love can simply be defined as selflessness. Since God is Love (selflessness) he gives love by giving himself. No one can possess God’s love but must humble the self and simply become a riverbed for him to flow to others through you. This is how one experiences God’s love by humbling the time created and therefore illusion oriented self identity and Jesus (the living word from Eternity) came to teach us how to do this.

      Eternity is not a segment of time but simply Un-relative Oneness with the Eternal One. There is no eternal place of torment but one day the Eternal Fire of the Truth is going to destroy all illusion along with those who decided to walk in it because it suite the lust and desire of self and they will cease to exist even in memory after judgment.

      Those who PRACTICE sin shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)

      9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not (B)inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

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    • coloradocycling
      Posted on October 5, 2011 at 3:31am

      went 2 his church a couple times until he accepted women deacons which is unbiblical. (I am not a sexist. if you have a problem question God) he seems to just ignore parts of the bible in his own arrogance. the holy spirit is was saves people and if this dude chooses 2 ignore parts of what God said he obviously thinks he has a better message for the lost. Good luck making sincere converts on your own strength. Remember how Jesus would thin the crowds and then turn to his disciples saying “who do you say I am?” Not sure you are hearing from the spirit dude. Wide is the path that leads to destruction.

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  • ZomBrad
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 9:26pm

    If there’s no hell, then what would be God’s problem with sin? What, do you go to a “less heavenly” heaven?

    Is that where Hitler is? Will we be able to see both Cain, and Abel scampering about?

    I can’t wait to see Judas then >.>

    That first picture of this guy sure is creepy! Reminds me of that Heaven’s Gate dude…

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:58pm

    Just where he belongs.

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  • Alvin691
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:50pm

    Marxism + Religion = Bad Things

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  • stopthegames
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:47pm

    HELL is a CHRISTIAN HOAX! Do your own research…

    http://bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html

    http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 10:45pm

      Sheol (Hebrew) grave or pit = hell
      Hades (Greek) grave also = hell
      Gehenna ……….(The Valley of Hinnom) no resurrection, those who are not worthy of everlasting life. Some bibles translate Gehenna as hell also
      Tartarus……..the abyss…….the abasement for those rebellious angels

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    • T-BagginLiberalsinDamouth
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:21pm

      Go ahead and deny there is a hell… you and Rob Bell should recognize each other there.

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    • stopthegames
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 4:38pm

      Mar 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
      1Co 3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.

      We will ALL be judged in fire…FIRE is GOOD. A purifier.

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    • mamachihuahua
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:48am

      Are you going to risk your very soul for eternity? You’d better go check your facts and be really sure. You don’t have a soul, you are a soul, you have a body. Your soul is eternal, you will not die, you will be somewhere FOREVER!

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    • stopthegames
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:24pm

      @ MAMACHIHUAHUA

      Are you going to bet that the word “hell” in the bible holds to its meaning? How come then the hebrew word sheol is written 65 times in the bible but only translated to hell 31 times? The others, Grave 31 times, and pit 3 times? Why are they translated this way if the meanings (to me and you) are vastly different?
      see……. http://bible-truths.com/lake16-B.html

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    • Keth30
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 11:45pm

      L. Ray Smith is a true man of God. I have been visiting his website for the past few years. His articles are so scriptually deep, that you must read them more than once to fully understand the scope of his research. God is love and God is great. He will not fail to save all of his creation. It will be a beautiful day.

      You are not alone “Stop the Games”.

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    • stopthegames
      Posted on October 5, 2011 at 9:21am

      Thanks KETH30

      I happen to think Glenn Beck has some of these views too. I doubt he would admit that but his heart sure sounds that way. You saw the Restoring Courage event right? Did you see how Glenn, even though you know he does not believe the same teachings as Muslims, Jews, and some Christians. He stood with them, and let them tell their story’s, of their own faith too. He does not condemn them like many of us do! He knows GOD was with them that day and GOD was using them all for that purpose. But most Christians unfortunately label individuals as hell-bound based on their beliefs and do not believe Jesus was sent to SAVE THE WORLD. Well I have news for them, Jesus WAS really sent to SAVE THE WORLD and he will not fail. Thy will be done.

      OK enough about GLENN BECK…

      L Ray Smith does great work, tentmaker ministries has good stuff too. I also recommend J. Preston Eby and Ray Prinzing.

      As far as Rob Bell I think its good that he is getting people to think but I think he is too soft in his beliefs and leaning toward a profit based religion, NOT GOOD. But at least he has opened the door for some to see who god is.

      I will close with this…
      1 tim 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.
      That’s right, a believer can be worse off than an unbeliever.

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  • Mr. Erskine
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:46pm

    So then, let us assert that it is possible that God so providentially ordered the world that all persons who never hear the Gospel are those people precisely who would never have accepted it in the first place. Put another way, “Anybody who never hears the Gospel and is lost would have rejected the Gospel and been lost even if he had heard it.” So, we can make a fifth premise affirming:

    5. God has created a world which has an optimal balance between saved and lost, and those who never hear the Gospel and are lost would not have believed in it even if they had heard it.

    Is this fact? No. Possible. Yes. As long as it is possible, then it is compatible that God (in His love, knowledge and power) and Hell (in its vileness, darkness, and torture) both coexist and that people who reject God can go to Hell. Further, on a specific note it seems that Scripture does touch upon this idea of optimal balance between saved-unsaved and the providential nature of God:

    The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and . . . gives all men life and breath and everything else. From one man He made every nation of men , that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being (Acts 17.24-27).

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  • Johnny916
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:42pm

    VENNOYE It’s been a fun ride for me in life. Took a while to settle down but I did my best to make it happen.

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  • Deckle
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:41pm

    If he wants to lie about what the Word says than Hollywood is the right place for him along with all the others who will end up in Hell!

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  • Mr. Erskine
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:29pm

    So, (3) and (4) do not seem to be necessarily true, therefore, (1) and (2) seem to not be contradictory. Thus, Mr. Bell’s God-Hell Argument is logically inconsistent.

    But let us go a step further. Let us affirm that it is logically acceptable that there be an all loving all powerful God AND multitudes of people going to Hell. How can this be compatible? Well, we can affirm a third alternative – an option that, if EVEN POSSIBLE (not necessarily true) – means that God and Hell are compatible.

    Third Alterntative (possibility): “It is possible that in order to achieve a multitude of saints, God had to accept a multitude of sinners.” In short, for God to have millions of saves, He had to accept the creation of millions of sinners (NOT predestined but in His foreknowing He knows how we will freely choose).

    Now, the outcry may be made: God would NEVER create people who He knew would be lost, who had they heard they would have believed! But the retort can be made: How can we know such people even exist in the past, present or future? It is reasonable, it is POSSIBLE, to assume that many people who never heard or hear the Gospel would NOT have believed the Gospel even if they had heard it!!! You cannot guarantee that those un-evangelized people who never heard the Gospel WOULD have had they heard it! There is no way to know that.

    (cont)

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  • Mr. Erskine
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:16pm

    So (3) is not logically necessary – therefore it falls. But what of (4)?

    Argument (4): Just for argument sake let us assume that there is a possible world in which God created every person to hear the Gospel and freely accept it. Now, we need to ask, “Does God’s being all-loving oblige (compel) Him to prefer the ‘universal-salvation-world‘ over a ’some-lost-some-saved-world’?” I do not think so necessarily. Why?

    It might be that a “universal-salvation-world” (USW) would have other “over-riding deficiencies“ that make it less preferable to the ”some-lost-some-saved-world” (SLSSW). How so? For example: it could be that a USW would possess only a handful of people who hear the message and are all saved -verses-a SLSSW of millions who hear, with thousands lost and thousands saved. (If God were to create any more people in the USW, then He could not guarantee that no one would not reject His grace).

    So we can ask: Must God prefer the sparsely populated USW of only a handful of saved over the SLSSW multitudes of saved, even though in the SLSSW multitudes freely reject His grace and are lost (in Hell)? It does not seem that that is necessarily how God should act. “So long as God gives sufficient grace for salvation to all persons He creates, God seems no less loving for preferring a more populous world, even though that implies that some people would freely resist His every effort to save them and be damned” (William Lane Craig). So, (4) is not ne

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  • Mr. Erskine
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:58pm

    Bell’s God-Hell Argument seems to logically be this:

    1. God is all-powerful and all-loving.
    2. Some people never hear the Gospel and are lost.

    Well, there does not seem to be an explicit logical contradiction between (1) and (2). Therefore, Mr. Bell must be affirming some hidden premises or assumptions within His argument to make God and Hell incompatible (to make (1) and (2) incompatible Bell needs more premises). Let us build some further “hidden” premises or assumptions Bell must be asserting:

    3. If God is all-powerful, He can create a world in which everybody hears the Gospel and is freely saved.
    4. If God is all-loving, He prefers a world in which everybody hears the Gospel and is freely saved.

    Now, if (3) and (4) are logically necessary then it follows that (1) and (2) are incompatible – therefore Mr. Bell’s God-Hell Argument must be correct. So the question is, “Is (3) and (4) necessarily true?” I do not think so.

    Argument (3): It is true that God COULD create a world in which everybody hears the Gospel. But it is not true that it could be GUARANTEED that every FREE WILLED person who hears the salvation message would accept that message! You cannot logically MAKE someone FREELY do something! This is oxymoron jargon.

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  • TheGreyPiper
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:50pm

    OBAMA>JESUS “A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.” (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) We can quote the bible too.
    =====
    Yes, that’s in the part we call “The Old Testament,”which is not binding on Christians. If you have a problem with that particular verse, take it to a rabbi.

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    • qzak491
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 11:37pm

      If I remember right the 10 commandments are in the “Old Tesatment”, those are binding to Christians last time I checked.

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    • qzak491
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 11:49pm

      If I remember right the 10 commandments are in the “Old Testament”, last time I checked they were binding to Christians.

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    • jay1975
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:02am

      So you just throw out the parts of the OT that you don’t like? I don’t get it. God is a jealous, spiteful dude in the OT, then he has himself born in human form and all of a sudden changes his perspective on everything. Maybe that’s why the Jews never accepted him; he was nothing like the OT god. The OT condemned a lot of people to death for religious infractions and, if followed to the letter, would condemn the majority of the world. It seems rather convienient to be able to ignore the parts of the OT you don’t like while following the parts you do like. Did Jesus ever say to throw out the OT?

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    • jay1975
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:08am

      Matthew 5:17-18 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

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    • dpselfe
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 6:28am

      Actually even the 10 Commandments aren’t “binding” to Christians. As a follower of Jesus Christ, I try NOT to sin, however I, like every other person on Earth, fail at this attempt every day. You need to do your homework on what being a Christian really is, because it’s NOT about living a “perfect” and sinless life. We have a savior that did that…….just for us, so that WHEN we fail to do so (and are invariably mocked by some DOUCHEBAG who think he (just like Satan), found a “gotcha”), we can count on His sacrifse to cover our sins.
      Go on back to watching “South Park” now………..

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  • Mr. Erskine
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:32pm

    Let us take care to still show love even to those who speak falsity – we cannot harbor hate; we love the person but hate the sin or, in this case, the argument raised by Mr. Bell.

    Mr. Bell’s argument is deeper than the issue of God and Hell – it resides in His opening discussion on Gandhi. In short, the issue, which I believe Mr. Bell struggled with, is on the Destiny of the Un-evangelized. What happens to those who have never heard the salvific message of Christ? (like those in the backwoods of India, China or Africa) Well, to answer this we should not laps into universalism or pluralism as Mr. Bell has done.

    First, we must affirm that Scripture teaches that God desires all to be saved: “The Lord is not willing that any should perish but that all should reach repentance” (2 Pet. 3.9). But it also teaches that salvation comes through Christ alone: “There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4.12). Mr. Bell cannot overlook passages like this and remain a true believing Christian – unless he decides to twist their meaning and corrupt the minds of people with false teachings.

    Secondly, let us address, Bell’s logically inconsistent argument on God and Hell.

    (continue below)

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    • Mr. Erskine
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:46pm

      Bells God-Hell Argument seems to be saying this:

      1. God is all-powerful and all-loving.
      2. Some people never hear the Gospel and are lost.

      Now, if this is as far as Bell’s argument goes on God-Hell I must say that between (1) and (2) there does not seem to be ANY explicit logical contradictions. Another words, he cannot be arguing logically against the existence of Hell and God if (1) and (2) are his only premises! But, in Bell’s view its seems he does think there is a contradiction – but where is it if it is not in (1) and (2)? Well, Bell must be affirming some “hidden” implicit assumptions apart from (1) and (2). He must be affirming:

      3. If God is all-powerful, He can create a world in which everybody hears the Gospel and is freely saved.
      4. If God is all-loving, He prefers a world in which everybody hears the Gospel and is freely saved.

      Now IF (3) and (4) are proven to be NECESSARILY true then (1) and (2) can be established as logically incompatible! So, we can ask, “Are (3) and (4) necessarily true?” I do not think so.

      Assumption (3): It seems fair to say that God COULD create a world in which everybody hears the Gospel. But it does not follow that in creating it He could GUARANTEE that people would freely follow Him (and thus not go to Hell). It is IMPOSSIBLE to GUARANTEE that all FREE will people would choose salvation (thus not going to Hell). You cannot freely force people to do something – this is oxymoron. Thus, (3) is not necessar

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 10:58pm

      Wow. Are you trying to set a record or what?

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  • georgiavietvet
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:08pm

    there is an especially hot place in HELL for this idiot. our pastor talked about “feel good” preachers this morning. i believe this is the perfect example of a “feel good” preacher……………………….

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    • motonutt
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:24pm

      Gee let’s see…..what spiritual entity would want you not to believe in hell?
      Does that answer the question.

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  • atlantaguy111
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:01pm

    Kudos to Mr. Bashir. (who I don’t know anything about.) What a great, tough interview. He sounded much more informed than the pastor. We need more interviews like this..

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  • scout n ambush
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:48pm

    This guy is off but if you want some good stuff watch Perry Stone on Mannafest this week he is gonna tick the left and obie off big time ,he’s telling the truth..lol Iam watching it and laughing my butt off.

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  • 4truth2all
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:43pm

    And the Lord says… “Then they will go away to eternal punishment,
    but the righteous to eternal life.” ( Matthew 25:46 )
    ~ The sheep and the goats ~

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    • Obama>Jesus
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:48pm

      “A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.” (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)

      We can quote the bible too.

      Don’t like my opinions? Tell me at scott.ian2010@gmail.com and tell me.
      TEA SUCKS
      Obama 2012

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:00pm

      @ Obama>Jesus

      “TEA SUCKS” – What a well-reasoned, compelling argument. I hope you plan on working in the Obama re-election effort. If you and enough people like you do the conservatives can’t lose.

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    • Dr. Sax
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:23pm

      Hey Obama>Jesus– nice try, but you have no understanding of the Bible. Jesus came to fulfill the old laws with a new covenant (the new testament, God in the person of Jesus), hence, those old laws are not needed. This is the fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam, the religion your beloved Obama reveres so much. Christianity as practiced by men has also undergone a reformation. Keep scouring through that bible in hopes of zinging me though (and maybe try to understand what you’re reading in the process).

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    • vennoye
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:26pm

      82dAirborne
      Don’t you know, he is ALREADY working on Obama’s re-election campaign!! Does “Attack Watch” sound familiar?? Go ahead and email him…….easier for him to turn the attack in!! LOL

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  • amerbur
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:27pm

    “Either God is all powerful and does not care, or God cares and is not all powerful”. Since when are those the only options.They are false options ment to deceive. God is all powerful, God cares, God gave us free will, we suffer the consequences of our choices, we suffer the consequences of others who choose to go against the will of God and the very universe he created. Call it tough love. There have been generations who have sinned against God. The commulation of generations of sin in the world have led to world suffering. God sent his only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but shall have everlasting life. Mr. Bashir does not get it or believe it, neither, it would seem, does Mr. Bell. Oh well. Ignore the word of God and get more of the same – you will suffer the consequences of not believing the maker of heaven and earth. Light came in to the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light. Go ahead, continue to ignore God and see where it will get you. It is like pretending that gravity does not exist and jumping off of a cliff.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:31pm

      Rob Bell is an idiot. He’s hedging his bet to become the full fledged leader of Scientology. John Travolta must be swooning!

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 12:00am

      If Rob Bell believes in Jesus he is saved regardless or whether or not anyone agrees with him so what is all the fuss about? We are saved by faith alone no? If Rob Bell is wrong in his thinking why is his sin any worse than any one elses sins? I find it odd that Christians will swear up and down that we are saved by faith alone but at the same time if they disagree with someones theology that person is going to Hell. There are 30,000 (possibly more) different Christian denominations in the world and all differ on many aspects but what difference does it make if all accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour????? Either you are saved by faith alone or you are saved by faith and your theology……..and the things you do, which is it?

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 2:54am

      @snooop1e,

      1. Teachers are held to a higher standard and judgment.
      2. Rob’s teachings are EXTREMELY dangerous in a world filled with people looking for an excuse to NOT change their behavior. Rob has handed it to them on a silver platter.
      3. He uses the cloak of religion to validate his rebellion against the very teachings of Jesus – using Christ’s name to validate his lies.

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  • britlynz
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:21pm

    Love did win on a cross two thousand years ago and a free gift was offered. Heaven waits for each of us to accept that gift.

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  • ThoreauHD
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:20pm

    Honestly, I’ve only seen this guy on your website. I have no idea who he is other than I know what he says is false. That’s all I have to know about him. Just another lying whore.

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  • Johnny916
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:18pm

    I’m no expert on this individual or how Christians view Heaven & Hell. Coming from a Jewish background I’m not sure about Heaven or Hell but I know there is possibly an afterlife. Everyone has their own views on life and death.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:36pm

      That’s very true. But it’s also true that for the Christian doctrine there is no either/or scenario. Preach what the Bible clearly teaches or you are a heretic, and not representative of Christ.

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    • Johnny916
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:42pm

      I’m not a Jesus believer or anything. Just an Jewish Atheist who likes to learn about his Jewish roots.

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:48pm

      @Johnny916~~~ Thank you for your Jewish roots. Without you guys, there would be no “us” as in Christians. GOD bless you and guide you in your study of WHOSE you are.

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    • Johnny916
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:53pm

      Well thanks KICKAGRANDMA. I do not know much about Judaism but I like it. It’s fun being with my family and showing my children what it means to be Jewish.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:38pm

      Johnny916
      If you don’t already have one, get a copy of “The Chumash” The commentaries on the different Parashas will give you a lot of insight into the Jewish Sages. I have one, and I am not Jewish, but I really like to see the understanding behind the verses of scipture from a Jewish perspective.

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    • Johnny916
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:52pm

      @VENNOYE: I have the Stone edition of the Tanach (Hebrew bible), A book on the Talmud, a book on Jewish laws, and so on. Most of the books come from the company called Artscroll. Which is a Orthodox Jewish website.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:55pm

      Try again–scripture–

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    • Johnny916
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 7:58pm

      @VENNOYE: The Hebrew bible or Tanach is the scripture used in Judaism.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:11pm

      Those are good…The Chumash is the Stone edition from Artscroll. I also have The Complete Artscroll Siddur, and Ethics of the Sages: Pirke Avot (not from Artscroll though).
      When I started digging for the basis of my faith, Isaiah 48:1 ¶ Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.
      jumped out at me….so I had to go back and study and learn about your faith to get to the root of my own!!
      Think what you are doing is great!! You have such a rich heritage behind you..know you will enjoy seeing how much your people have blessed the world!!

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    • Johnny916
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:14pm

      @VENNOYE: Thanks. My family attends an Hasidic theme synagogue in my area. My children know more about Judaism then I do. That is where I met my wife and her family after I wanted to learn more about my Jewish background.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:23pm

      That is wonderful!! You already have ready made helpers! I wish you the very best on your journey of learning!! He really changes us all for the better!!

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    • Johnny916
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:32pm

      @VENNOYE: Thanks again! I wouldn’t call them helpers but little angels. HaShem (Hebrew for ‘the name’) has been a blessing for us.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 8:39pm

      Johnny, yes HaShem has been good to you!! These times, while they are young are so precious! They grow so fast…may your family continue to be blessed!!

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  • 229Mick
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:14pm

    Of course he is, that’s where people who sell their souls go.

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  • jungle J
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:11pm

    go ahead and tell me he isn’t …you know..

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  • Jenny Lind
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:07pm

    And we are supprised because? No one wants to be aware that there ar consequences for our life’s choices, but there are. Hell to me is being seperated from Jesus Christ and those I love.

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  • 82dAirborne
    Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:01pm

    He may not believe in hell but it looks as though he’s going there on purpose.

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    • CatB
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:09pm

      Yes and sadly he should fit right in.

      TEA!

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    • kickagrandma
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:23pm

      Reading your comment made me think, “And that’s just the antechamber.”

      Want to tell you I read your posts and gain strength from them, always.

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    • Uncurable wound
      Posted on October 2, 2011 at 6:29pm

      Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
      Mark 9:44

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