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Here‘s What You Need to Know About the Gov’t Possibly Mandating Vehicle ‘Black Boxes’

Mandatory Black Boxes in Cars Proposed in Senate Bill

Event data recorders in cars are similar to this "black box" in airplanes used to evaluate what occurred in emergency situations. (Photo: Wikimedia)

The government has been inching along a mandate requiring a little black box in all vehicles forward for years. In fact, most cars already have them voluntarily. But recently, the Senate has passed a bill (S.1813) that would make it mandatory for all new cars by 2015 to come with a system that would record information from the vehicle in the moments before and after an accident.

More technically known as MAP-21 (Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act), the bill has several provisions affecting transportation, but it’s Section 31406 — “Vehicle Event Data Recorders” — that has those fearful of Big Brother overstepping its bounds. The section states that, if passed, the law would require new vehicles starting in 2015 to be equipped with black box-like devices that would “capture and store data related to motor vehicle safety covering a reasonable time period before, during, and after a motor vehicle crash or airbag deployment, including a rollover.”

The bill states that all data on the black boxes would be property of the vehicle owner or lessee. If data from the device needed to be obtained for any reason, the owner would have to provide consent or a court order would have to be presented for it. It does state that in an emergency situation, data may be retrieved without explicit consent.

IEEE Spectrum states that 85 percent of vehicles already come with black boxes, according to the National Highway Transportation and Safety Administrion, and speculates that the average driver in an accident has “no idea [... the] data stored in the box details how the car was being driven in the moments before impact.” And, although still not mandatory, IEEE Spectrum reports NHTSA has guidelines for cars with black boxes that must be met by 2013. The guidelines include variables that must be measured such as speed; position of the gas pedal; if the brakes were pressed; seat belt usage; and the time it took for airbags to deploy.

Here‘s an example showing how cars’ black boxes are already being used. Earlier this year, the data recorder from Massachusetts Lt. Gov. Timothy Murray revealed he was speeding in a Nov. 2011 accident that totaled his vehicle. Yahoo! News reported the data also showed Murray was not wearing a seat belt. This case, which landed Murray with a fine, had some calling for tougher regulations for how authorities can obtain data from black boxes. Yahoo reports:

But most states have no such rules, and the data can often be easily accessed after a crash by insurers or investigators. There’s also no way to shut off data recording, which safety systems rely on to decide when to deploy an air bag or take other measures.

Last year, USA Today reported 13 states had established laws to limit access to information stored on these devices. But even if consent were required, it’s not available in all instances, as the recently passed Senate bill acknowledges. USA Today provides an example:

Getting that data is easier on some vehicles than others, but a Nashville company, VCE Inc., has been at the forefront of using information from the recorders to reconstruct traffic accidents since the introduction of the devices in the mid-1990s.

“We have been involved from the start and were among the first ones to begin downloading the data from these recorders for the accident reconstructions we do for attorneys and insurance companies,” VCI Vice President Todd Hutchison said.

“We typically get permission from the owner of the vehicle, but that’s not necessarily who owned it at the time of the accident,” he pointed out. “If the insurance company has bought the salvaged vehicle, they can give us permission.”

The National Motorists Association has taken the stance that “there is no rational or scientific need nor justification to equip tens of millions of vehicles on a perpetual basis with black boxes.” It states:

While denials abound there is good reason to believe that the promotion of universal black box installation in new vehicles has more to do with regulatory, enforcement, judicial, and corporate economic interests; all at the expense of vehicle owners who are forced to pay for and retain this form of self-surveillance.

The NMA does not object to safety research that involves the use of black boxes, as long as the participants are informed and willing and they are allowed to opt out of research project without negative consequences. As noted, such research can be reliably conducted with thousands of willing participants, versus millions of uninformed conscripts.

Although privacy advocates may consider black box systems stepping on the toes of personal privacy, a recent study by a UK car insurance provider saw 20 percent fewer accidents among young drivers who knew they had the devices in the car. The Guardian has more:

Telematics, or “black box” insurance, involves in-car tracking equipment to monitor driving behaviour such as braking and acceleration, cornering, speed and what time of day the car is driven. The data is then used to calculate insurance premiums: the better the driving, the lower the premium.

Co-operative Insurance has analysed the driving habits of 10,000 telematics insurance customers aged 17 to 25 across the UK, finding that they were 20% less likely to have a crash than those with standard insurance. Telematics customers have less serious accidents, with a typical claim 30% less than ordinary customers.

As for the potential for mandating black boxes in vehicles by 2015, the next step is for the bill to pass in the House. According to the Washington Post last month, the House rejected the bill with a procedural vote but passed an extension to continue funding through September.

Mandatory Black Boxes in Cars Proposed in Senate Bill

This map shows how the Senate voted on MAP-21. (Image: Transportation for America)

More than just black box devices are on the line with the bill, leading some to be upset at yet another extension. According to Transportation for America, the bill includes funding provisions for transportation and infrastructure projects.

Other measures in the bill some consider “Big Brother” include provisions to develop technology to “detect drug-impaired” drivers and development of specifications/testing for similar devices that measure alcohol concentration in the body while in the car.

What do you think? Should it be mandated for all new vehicles to house event data recorders?

[H/T Drudge Report]

Comments (118)

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  • ImMadAsHell
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:44pm

    PEOPLE R U just going to roll over and take this Big Brother step. NOT ME. Screw the Govt plan

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    • db321
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:00pm

      I’m going to start a Business that will take these things off!

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:20pm

      Awwwwww they are just pi@@ing on the 4th Ammendment again…no worries.

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:27pm

      Don’t take them off .. make them “defective” .. so they don’t work .. but you didn’t remove them ;-)

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:33pm

      And yet again the gov’t shows us how to collude with big business to keep newcomers from entering the market. There is a reason why we only have a select few brands of vehicle here in the US. For every model of car that is produced, the gov’t requires thousands of hours of safety testing and ridiculous requirements like catalytic converters, ABS, TCS, etc. All of which are unnecessary, wasteful, and anti-capitalist. I’d rather just drive a rusted out old nova or pickup than have to drive a 4,000 pound data recorder on wheels.

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    • BarackStalin
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 3:17pm

      We also need event data recorders in every home to make certain that you are not beating your wife or abusing your children…

      and to make certain that you only use the missionary position…

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    • ICEDRAGONNITE
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 3:42pm

      Is this1984?

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    • Old Truckers
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 4:19pm

      And this will add, how much, to the price of the car?
      This is just another government requirement to make cars more expensive.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 4:42pm

      This is going to happen with or without Congress.

      Private insurers will either insure you or they won;t based on whether you have these devices.

      Many people involved in an auto accident will not call it an accident or fate. they will have the police retrieve the data from their vehicle & use the ion formation in a lawsuit. It won’t he said / she said. It will be measurements by the state police of skid marks, retrieval of data of use or non-use of cell phone data, one side’s statements, the other sides statements & the black box data.
      There will less leeway for a defense attorney to lie about what happened or wave their hands & muddy the waters.

      It is going to happen via lawsuits or private insurance agencies.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 5:23pm

      I am for the black box as an option.

      If you are involved in a wreck, do you want to be at the mercy of a politician or someone connected who will blame you or escape responsibility?

      This was a single car crash, but what if it had not been? 2nd time recently a governor or Lt. governor has been purposely speeding by a great deal & breaking the law. Remember Corzine?

      “On November 2, 2011, Murray crashed a government-owned vehicle on a stretch of Interstate 190.[10] Initially, police investigating did not issue any citations.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Murray
      “Timothy Murray is the 71st and current Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts.
      …
      Murray initially claimed he simply lost control on the ice, wasn’t speeding, was wearing a seat belt and braked. But those claims were all later disproven when the Crown Victoria black box data recorder information was released.[11] The data revealed the car was traveling 108 miles per hour, accelerated, and the Lt. Governor was not wearing a seat belt at the time the vehicle collided with a rock ledge and flipped over. Murray was unhurt in the accident.”

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    • BarackStalin
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 5:26pm

      walkabout,

      another great reason for data recorders in every home…

      that way the police won’t have to put down their doughnuts long enough to investigate anything, and insurance companies will know whether to pay homeowners insurance claims…

      ahhhh progress

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    • MAMMY_NUNN
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:08pm

      With the invent of nofault insurance what does it matter what happened to cause a accident ?
      No ones at fault and no ones is responsible just the way the left likes it.

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    • ww2daughter
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:13pm

      1984 anyone???? I read the book, watched the movie and it scared the you know what out of me. I thought it would never, ever happen here in this country. Gee guess what, it is here, and we are so out of touch with what is going on with our government, that we don’t even have a clue!!!!!!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 10:28pm

      Come on guys, us conservatives & libertarians, march in lockstep according to Democrat pundits.
      So either you agree with me or I have to agree with you. /sarc off.

      Well I didn’t think most if any would agree with me, but it is all good.

      I do have some qualms about having such a device on a car & I definitely have a problem with it increasing the price.

      That said I think 50% of the parties involved in an accident will be glad they have one. Police can reconstruct accidents using skid marks & stuff, but there is error involved no matter how good the police do their jobs. They can only estimate a cars speed +/- so many mph.

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    • MAMMY_NUNN
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:01pm

      @ Walkabout
      Read my post above it doesn‘t matter what the facts are and solid proof doesn’t change a thing the Left designed it that way.

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:01am

      Put this thing on ALL government cars….Keep it OFF privet cars!!!!

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    • t00nces2
      Posted on April 21, 2012 at 6:40pm

      Do you suppose my ‘67 bug has one of them thingy bobbers in it?

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  • kramh
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:40pm

    In oregon they want to istall the boxes inorder to charge you road taxes based on the miles and the time of day that you drive. When you fill up at the gas pump a reader will send your info to a computer data base and the government will send you a bill for your driving . The nanny police state marches on.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:46pm

      That’s right. They have voted on this in Oregon before. Everyone’s gasoline will be taxed at a different rate based on the number of miles you drive. Therefore your cost of driving will vary as a product of your actual mileage.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 5:05pm

      That is just wrong!

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    • KenInIL
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:32pm

      The consent agreement will be referenced in the small print on your traffic ticket. Then they could always pull the black box for evidence.

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:37pm

    “BLACK boxes” ????

    Isn’t that racist??????

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  • lketchum
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:35pm

    State Insurance consortium lobbyists are behind this. Insurances in states is controlled and a fat tax each state taps. This is designed to allow them to deny claims and assign contributory negligence percentages, where each party, in addition to insurance deductibles, will have to pay out the nose to get a damaged car repaired. In a fascist state “select” corporations work for the government, while all others, including small businesses, are destroyed and all assets seized. This is what distinguishes a fascist state from a purely socialist, or communist state. It is all about property rights and individual rights to them.

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  • sURFNmADNESS
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:31pm

    The heck with the black box part of this bill. Section 7345 is more nefarious.

    SEC. 7345. REVOCATION OR DENIAL OF PASSPORT IN CASE OF CERTAIN TAX DELINQUENCIES.

    ‘(a) In General- If the Secretary receives certification by the Commissioner of Internal Revenue that any individual has a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000, the Secretary shall transmit such certification to the Secretary of State for action with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport pursuant to section 4 of the Act entitled ‘An Act to regulate the issue and validity of passports, and for other purposes’, approved July 3, 1926 (22 U.S.C. 211a et seq.), commonly known as the ‘Passport Act of 1926’.

    Yes, if you owe $50k or more, just the IRS will revoke your passport. No judgement, no proof required, just the IRS saying you owe. This bill has passed the Senate already. Write your House Rep today to get this voted down.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2012/04/05/owe-irs-youre-not-going-anywhere/#ixzz1s8FKnrP2

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    • babylonvi
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:43pm

      And after they equip the recorders with transponders(coming next) you won’t be able to drive on a highway either.

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  • welovetheUSA
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:31pm

    Don’t our government have any better things to do than make more government laws…….I will stick to driving the older trucks……forget this box stuff.

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  • Bill Wallace
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:29pm

    Just go out and buy a older car. The ones that actually worked without a computer chip. That won’t die because of a glitch.

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:46pm

      Remember “cash for clunkers” …??? I said at the time it was to get good older cars off the market .. and now this …

      I don’t even have to look at who was the Florida Dem voting yes .. it was Bill Nelson and we are going to get RID of him in this election!

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 5:07pm

      CatB

      Ben Nelson is from Nebraska and is his last term.

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    • addie
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 6:16pm

      @dismayedvet, I think Catb meant Bill Nelson, he is my rep too and MUST GO!

      Yes, I believe there was some underlining motivation for Cash for Clunkers. Although, I will never own a new car. Mostly because I am smart and have no need to spend money foolishly keeping up with the jones with a fancy new car. No need to buy a new car these days unless you like burning money.

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  • patriotpal
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:21pm

    Ive always said science fiction always has a way of becoming science fact — and this kind of thing is proof of it. Its more like an old twilight zone episode than the united states of america. Consider all these points together — Now they already or want to monitor our cars and movements, chip and monitor the people, take away guns so we cant defend ourselves or overthrow an overreaching government, limit our freedom of speech, indoctrinate our children in government controlled schools, control what we eat and drink, tell us what kind of car to drive and make gas so expensive were eventually forced to do their bidding, rewrite history in the schools so eventually noone remembers the past-(again indoctrinate us). The question is only how long or how much will people tolerate-?

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:33pm

      Van Jones has said he is a communist. This Twilight Zone is Van Jones’ dream for this country, of course, we have a “strong-whiff ” of communism with the current administration. Pres.Obama agrees with Van Jones and his dreams. Pres. Obama is not smart enough to pull all of this off because he has too many handlers but Van Jones is a “free-agent” and is becoming more & more vocal. Van Jones is “the man” and his visions & dreams will be put on display May 1st, a communist holiday, and Van Jones will say, “this is a good start”! Van Jones is a very remarkable figure. He will play a VERY big part in fundamentally transforming this nation. He is a leader!

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  • PoliticallyRightUs.Com
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:16pm

    Big Brother moving forward to progressivism… This bill “MAP-21″ has not been voted on in the congress yet. Map-21 also includes a mandate to revoke US Citizen passports who owe the IRS 50k or more. The problem is not trying to collect money from people who owe the IRS, The problem is wreckless spending (Our money not theirs) and giving billions to other countries… all the while our Gov.t is taking away our travel rights essentually making us prisoners as if we are in jail. You should also know one of the authors of this bill is: Barbara Bober “California (Democrat) Senator, the bill is Sentate Bill 1813. Call your congressman and tell them you are against this bill!!!

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  • ImChiquita
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:16pm

    Huh…

    So the EDR is connected with the air bag system? Awesome!

    No, really. My Ford Contour has had issues with the air bag for about seven or eight years now. I was going to have it replaced but now I’m not so sure.

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  • grimmy
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:15pm

    Try and put one on my truck, or any truck i may buy in the future,it wont be there long, Never try and install something illegal on a mechanics vehicle, and expect it to remain there.

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    • SEOhio
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:28pm

      Amen to that!

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    • ZaphodsPlanet
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 3:23pm

      I couldn’t agree with you more. But my guess is that they will install this inside the same system that actually controls the engine and all other electronics. Essentially the cars central computer/processor. Unfortunately this means that it won’t be something you can just “unplug”. However, we as a people are rather resourceful….:). If it comes right down to it it’s a matter of letting a few engineers figure out which wires need to be yanked… or which soldier joints need to be broken or bypassed in order to render data recording kaput. Hopefully it will never get passed, but if you’re an electrical engineer maybe you should start looking into this…LOL. Many car manufacturers use the same electronics modules from places like Bosch. I know at one point Ford, Honda and I think VW all were using the same antilock brake control units made at a plant owned at one time by Motorola. This won’t be as easy to muck with….. however once someone figures it out they could probably make a fortune doing the modification. :) Call your congressman or woman though so hopefully it will never get to the point of us having to do this. I‘m sick to death of this big brother crap as I’m sure most of the rest of you are.

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  • Cavallo
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:15pm

    How easily are these things just simply disconnected from the other safety devices? Is there anything in the bill that says they have to be functioning? Will it be part of vehicle inspection to get your car licensed? Would it be a crime to have a non functioning black box on your car as you drive it, or just to sell it?

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  • ITSCOMING
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:12pm

    A communist police state is closer than we all realize folks!

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  • cemerius
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:05pm

    It does state that in an emergency situation, data may be retrieved without explicit consent.

    Who’s “definition” of emergency?

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:05pm

    so tired of this. say goodbye to your freedom folks it left an awful long time ago. people are now starting to wake up but I fear it is too late. who thinks their rep woul care if they called to say vote no? not this lady I know there is no representation any longer.

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  • Al J Zira
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:55am

    More than just black box devices are on the line with the bill, leading some to be upset at yet another extension. According to Transportation for America, the bill includes funding provisions for transportation and infrastructure projects.

    Anyone for line item veto?!

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  • Mandors
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:49am

    A black box requirement is the first step to a kill switch requirement. The latter probably would have been used in New Orleans to prevent people from evacuating and forcing them into shelters.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:03pm

      scary stuff isnt it

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    • Texas Chris
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:07pm

      If you have OnStar or an equivalent, there is already a kill switch on your vehicle.

      My grandfather bought a new Cadillac a few years ago. He was driving around and the engine just shut off; no check engine light, no power loss, just stopped in the middle of the road. The OnStar people called and advised him that his car reported to them that its emissions were higher than normal and they had shut the car down.

      He returned it to the dealership that day.

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    • Latter-Day-Soldier
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:13pm

      Easy way around that, keep an older vehicle for just such a scenario that has 4×4 (and driver black-out driving) capability.

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    • Cavallo
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:22pm

      Don’t buy GM.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 5:01pm

      Texas Chris

      If you have OnStar or an equivalent, there is already a kill switch on your vehicle.

      My grandfather bought a new Cadillac a few years ago. He was driving around and the engine just shut off; no check engine light, no power loss, just stopped in the middle of the road.
      _____
      That should be a lawsuit right there. Your grandfather could have been on an interstate or in the middle of an intersection.

      Assuming the story is true that is definitely a lawsuit & a call to a congressman.

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:48am

    Well then, live close to work and don’t drive.

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    • Itsjusttim
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:53am

      See, they are proving free market doesn’t work, especially when people are a slave to themselves. If people actually controlled the market, and they enjoy freedom over tyranny, then they will use free market principles to choose not to drive.

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    • Texas Chris
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:10pm

      Your view of the free market is very narrow. Or jsut plain wrong.

      Over 1,000 pounds of the average car is government mandated. The government wants to track your travel, your speed, your driving ability, your fuel efficiency, your emissions; they want to be able to stop the car on demand for any reason at any time.

      The free market would make this equipment optional.

      “Not driving” is not a free market answer to this. Most people have to drive to actually work, get food, perform basic life duties.

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:53pm

      So…..with that logic, the reason why there are very few “drive-in-movies” is that people chose to walk-in with their lawn chairs & the “rich” brought in their Lazy-Boy recliners to watch the movie. During a thunderstorm, 10 people died from lightning strikes while holding umbrellas. Therefore “drive-in-movies” caused people to die and since people no longer drove their cars…well, two rights equal zero. I don’t like that over-used word “right” so…two priviledges equal zero. That’s All Folks.

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    • CS
      Posted on April 20, 2012 at 12:34am

      ITSJUSTTim, If Y O U want to live closer to work and not drive, then Y O U go right ahead ……. just don’t try to FORCE YOUR WILL on the rest of us, who still want to live in FREEDOM. How selfish is that! How would you like for FREEDOM-LOVING people to FORCE their wills on YOU? Of course, that’s kind of an oxymoron because most free people would never even think about trying to do that. We just want to be left alone and not told what to do by people who MISTAKENLY PRESUME, in their arrogance, and in THEIR minds only, to “know what‘s best for ’everyone else’. Yuk!

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  • All American American
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:47am

    Also included in the bill is making it mandatory for vehicle to vehicle or vehicle to infrastructure (re: “internet of things) communications. That way they can tax you per mile, find out your driving habits, who you drive with, record your conversations, etc etc etc.

    Remember when TSA was just for airports? Now its “VIPR Teams” on highways and “Bus Safe” programs looking in peoples‘ purses and asking them why they’re on the bus. Now its black boxes in cars. Just more control. Gubmint is not content to just leave the average American alone. Don’t want to fly? OK we’ll put tabs on your car.

    Heck I almost forgot to mention them using drones over America.

    Time to choose sides folks. Time to decide how far you’ll go.

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  • BrerRabbit
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:43am

    When will the require a pee-meter?

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  • RepubliCorp
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:41am

    The real fun will start when they install a cell phone in them….

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:41am

    More Big Brother and we are one step closer to a Communist police state.

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    • Texas Chris
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:12pm

      It‘s a good thing the government hasn’t created a program to get used cars off the road, huh? Because those ‘clunkers’ don’t have all the new whiz-bang gear that tells Uncle Sam where you went, how fast you got there, and what you had for breakfast based on your flatulance….

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    • All American American
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:03pm

      Texas, you’re gith—puts the whole “cash for clinkers” in a whole new perspective. Just proves that Americans will line themselves up for the gallows if the price is right.

      I wonder when the “Cash for turning your neighbor in for owning firearms” bill will pass???

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:38am

    Thank the Lord that I’ll be passing on soon. This is no longer America, it’s Communist China.

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    • patriotpal
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:05pm

      Ive been thinking the same thing, glad i got to see the tail end of American freedom, well never see true freedom again unless something drastic happens, but thr republicans done have the cahonies to change or fight — selfish bastards only worry about their jobs and littlel else.

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    • Shasta
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:19pm

      I just hope I live long enough to help shuffle Obama and the rest of his progressive ilk back under the rocks that they came from.

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 2:21pm

      God has allowed us to be here at this time in history. I prayed that Obama would not get into office. When he did, I had questions about the voters in this country. As time passed, I prayed & as in my life, peaks & valleys & thought there has to be a reason. Pres. Obama has, like that young lady in the audience said, (A Specter meeting), “you woke-up a sleeping giant”. Whow…this admin. has done about 70% worth of damage but we woke-up. More & more I feel Mitt Romney is going to do well. I agree with many that say it will be a close election so we must be very vigilant as far as fraud that will be everywhere. I don’t trust another country monitoring the vote numbers. Whose bright-idea was that? If it was Pres. Bush, then guess we deserve a $60 light bulb! (he did that to us not Obama)
      It is time for the other 2 to get out of the running. No chance to win. We’ll save thousands of $ & Newt can rub-noses with a penguin on his own nickel! Mitt is the man we need to get into office. I support him 100%…our lives depend on this election.
      I hope to live long enough to see another Rep.president in office & watch “the young-guns” take control of D.C. & secure this nation for their children! Shout-out to Rubio & Ryan!

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    • ZaphodsPlanet
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 3:34pm

      @TEDDDRUNK
      Wrong attitude Ted. I don’t know how old you are but you should CHOSE to fight with your very last breath, just as the rest of us are. Have a little faith that God will step in and give us all a hand where we need it. By laying down and being completely defeatist about it you show poor character, a low set of standards and that you’re being a total wussy. Please cease and desist such behavior. This country wasn’t founded by QUITTERS….. stop acting like a liberal and get on your feet and knees when needed. We all play a part in this. The kind of attitude you’re currently exhibiting is what got us all into this position. It will not get us out. Live and Fight for what’s right regardless of how much time you think you may or may not have left. Make it count as you may end up being with us longer than you think.

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  • Female
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:37am

    Government……sucks…… but, which company makes them, so, I can buy stock?

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    • Shasta
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:20pm

      Ahh, a true believe in the capitalism and free markets.

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:41pm

      Boxes made in China. Boxes painted with lead-paint. Boxes heat-up & lead-paint fumes hover in the air & eventually, driver’s brain erodes, car crashes….and China says, “stupid Americans”.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:34am

    The Michigan Senator… is a Democrat, Socialist…

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