Here‘s Your Guide to Today’s Supreme Court Arguments Over Obamacare
- Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:14am by
Billy Hallowell
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WASHINGTON (The Blaze/AP) — The Supreme Court will begin hearing arguments on Monday over President Barack Obama’s contentious health care overhaul, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, derisively labeled “Obamacare” by its opponents. Here is a look at how the case will unfold before the court in question-and-answer form:
Q: What’s this all about?
A: The Supreme Court is hearing a challenge to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which is Obama’s signature domestic achievement. Passed by Congress in 2010, its aim is to provide health insurance to more than 30 million previously uninsured Americans, while trying to restrain costs and prevent disruptions to the majority already with coverage. Opponents say the law is unconstitutional; their chief argument is that Congress does not have the power to force unwilling Americans to buy health insurance or pay a fine.
U.S. Supreme Court
Q: When will the court get started?
A: Justices will begin hearing arguments shortly after 10 a.m. EDT Monday, March 26. They will hear six hours of arguments on several different issues on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Q: Which issues on which days?
A: Monday’s 90-minute argument is about whether court action is premature because no one yet has paid a fine for not having health insurance. Tuesday’s two-hour argument will cover the central issue of whether Congress overstepped its authority by requiring Americans to purchase health insurance starting in 2014 or pay a penalty. Wednesday’s arguments will be split into two parts: Justices will hear 90 minutes of debate in the morning over whether the rest of the law can take effect even if the health insurance mandate is unconstitutional and another hour Wednesday afternoon over whether the law goes too far in coercing states to expand the federal-state Medicaid program for low-income people by threatening to cut off federal aid to states that don’t comply.
Q: When will the justices rule?
A: The court could decide any time, but complex cases argued in the spring normally produce decisions near the end of the court’s session, scheduled for late June.
Q: Is it possible that the justices won’t decide whether the law is constitutional or not?
A: It is possible. The first issue the court is discussing is whether an obscure tax law makes it too early for the Supreme Court to get involved. If they decide that the issue is premature, then the case will be dismissed without a binding ruling from the justices.
Q: What did lower federal courts say?
A: The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta ruled that Congress overstepped its authority when lawmakers passed the insurance mandate, the only appeals court to come to that conclusion. The 6th U.S Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati upheld the entire law, as did the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit in Washington, D.C. The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., ruled that the question was premature and the law can’t be challenged in court until after 2015, when the first penalties for not having insurance would be paid.
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts
Q: Who are the justices on the Supreme Court?
A: The chief justice is John Roberts, who joined the court in 2005 after being nominated by President George W. Bush. In order of seniority, the other justices are Antonin Scalia (confirmed in 1986 after being nominated by President Ronald Reagan), Anthony Kennedy (1988 by Reagan), Clarence Thomas (1991 by President George H.W. Bush), Ruth Bader Ginsburg (1993 by President Bill Clinton), Stephen Breyer (1994 by Clinton), Samuel Alito (2006 by President George W. Bush), Sonia Sotomayor (2009 by Obama) and Elena Kagan (2010 by Obama.)
Q: Who will be arguing for the law?
A: Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli, Jr. will argue for the government on Monday and Tuesday. Deputy Solicitor General Edwin S. Kneedler will present part of the government’s case on Wednesday, and Verrilli will do the rest. Information about Verrilli and the solicitor general’s office can be found here. A court-appointed lawyer, H. Bartow Farr III, will also argue that if government cannot require people to buy health insurance, all other provisions of the law can go into effect. Another court-appointed lawyer, Robert Long, will also argue that the lawsuits challenging the insurance purchase requirement are premature because the penalty has yet to be imposed.
Q: Who will be arguing against the law?
A: Representing Florida on Monday will be Washington appellate lawyer Gregory G. Katsas. Former Solicitor General Paul Clement, now in private practice, will represent Florida on Tuesday and Wednesday. Former Justice Department attorney Michael A. Carvin will represent the National Federation of Independent Businesses.
Watch Clement discuss the case on FOX News, below:
Q: Can I go watch the arguments, and if I can’t make it to Washington, can I watch on television or online?
A: The Supreme Court does not allow live television or radio broadcasts from inside its building, so the only way Americans can actually see or hear the arguments live is to be inside the courtroom while lawyers and justices debate. There are seats reserved inside the courtroom for members of the public on a first-come, first-served basis, with some people allowed to stay for the entire argument while others have to leave the courtroom and give their seats to the next people in line after 3-5 minutes. The Supreme Court will also make the audio recording of the arguments available later the same day here.
Q: What type of health care do the justices get, and will they be affected by their ruling?
A: The justices participate in the same health care plan as members of Congress and other federal workers. As participants in an employee-sponsored health care plan, it is unlikely that whatever decision the Supreme Court makes will substantially affect their personal health care insurance.
Q: I’ve heard people say that Justices Elena Kagan and Clarence Thomas should take no part in this case? What’s that about?
A: Opponents of the law wanted Kagan to disqualify herself because she served as solicitor general under Obama when the health care overhaul law was conceived and passed. She has said she did not participate in crafting a legal defense for the law, but her detractors doubt her statement. Thomas’ detractors insist that he should have disqualified himself because his wife, Ginni, worked with groups that opposed the new law.
Decisions to stay out of a case are the responsibility of each individual justice, and neither Kagan nor Thomas justice stepped aside.
Roberts said in his 2011 year-end report that he has “complete confidence in the capability of my colleagues to determine when recusal is warranted. They are jurists of exceptional integrity and experience whose character and fitness have been examined through a rigorous appointment and confirmation process. I know that they each give careful consideration to any recusal questions that arise in the course of their judicial duties.”
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Comments (128)
Daveed
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 11:13amWouldn’t the fact that bills are passed with out Pelosi, Harry Reid not reading THEM, With Pelosi stating you will, Americans, just have to pass it and read it later, not allowing others to read it and not letting it be vented by their Employers, the America people makes this a Cold War and these people domestic terrorists? They are so quick to call everyone else one? When you are the government and you start demonizing your own citizenry, and this has gone on for 5 years with this current elect, includes the 2 years campaigning and we just sit, wait and pray that the evil has a change of heart? I am all for praying, praying for them even, but seriously folks, there is no magic button and we have seen the corruption. This is a battle field, we are in a cold war. We are soldiers whether we ever wanted to be or not. We know that there is only one party, Demrepublikat Party. Outside of the gang of 538, we have no way to defeat them? To prevent an dishonest election? Boot them out now? The Constitution limits the Government, with good reason! Just timidity get anybody anything? We even are being told who to vote for. If none of the chosen people are anything we want, then find someone we do want and unite together behind that one person, WE NEED A SECOND PARTY TO COMBAT THE DEMREPUBLIKATS! WE NEED TO DO THAT AND DO IT NOW, MAKE THEM FEAR US! WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!
Report Post »proantisocialist
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 11:26amWhat gets me is that they cannot make a judgement on a bill until someone is hit with a penelty? well all i have to do to get a visit by law enforcement is to make a threat!well i see this as a threat,so why dont they see this bill as a threat to the people of this country?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:10pmsince members of congress do not read the bills that they pass, i offer the soybomb ammendment to the constitution…
After a law is passed, it cannot be placed into effect until the supreme court declares the law constitutional. All laws are hereafter assumed to be unconstitutional unless the supreme court unaminously determines it is constitutional
Laws should not be assumed to be constitutional – they should be assumed unconstitutional
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 3:03pmI won’t comment on whether or not members of Congress are terrorists, but I will say that if I were elected President this cycle, I would meet with top members of the armed forces just prior to taking office, and the day I took office, approximately 15% of the House of Representatives would be arrested for Treason, to be tried shortly thereafter. There’d be a roundup of anyone openly claming membership as a “Progressive” of any party.
The reason I’m commenting here, though, is to bring up the point that the Supreme Court just told the EPA they can‘t refuse redress by citizens who haven’t actually been fined. Remember that one?
Don’t the same rules apply here?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 3:28pmThis is about legalizing SLAVERY!
Report Post »PickingCotton
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 11:04amThis is a JOKE,these left-wing Obozo supporting Judges already have this in the bag.
Report Post »Don’t be fooled.
cessna152
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 11:57amThey spent too much time and money on this… there is no way it will get overturned! Unless, God wants it to be.
Report Post »Patriot of My America
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 12:25pmI have to totally disagree with PickingCotton. It matters not that you think this is already in the bag. If so
Report Post »tens of thousands of Americans will fill a body bag prematurely and that is a horrible idea, If the Federal Government can determine what health care you receive they can also dictate your behavior. Like using tobacco, alcohol, sky diving, scuba diving, racing, or any thing that is deemed by a Socialist CZAR as too risky and there fore the personal choice is gone forever. We will become as slaves to Big Brother. Pray that the Justices have wisdom and clarity in their decision on this terrible Law.
Scott15sb
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 10:16amAny Judge or Justice that finds this Socialist Law Constitutional should be Impeached and removed from the bench for failing their oath to uphold the Constitution!
Report Post »The commerce clause has been misinterpreted for decades. It says: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes. This has nothing to do with individuals at all. It has to do with the states doing business with each other, not the citizens of the states doing business across state lines.
bbillschnee
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 10:35amlumbar spine, Who is John Galt????? Don’t shruge ATLAS!!!!!
Report Post »Truth Wins Every Time
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 10:06amSince Obama’s health care was done initially [so it was said] to insure the 30 million uninsured, was there not a better way of insuring the 30 million [which mostly consists of illegals] rather than totally scrap the insurance of those already insured?
Report Post »Obama’s halth care could have been done to ONLY insure those 30 million. While leaving the rest, already insured, as is.
mildot rider
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:59amIt makes no difference what the court decides in this case. My family and I will not participate in a Communist mandate forced upon us by a filthy Marxist thug. Period. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 10:14am.
6 Hours of Arguments over 3 Days. Even a re-tard in a room full of bouncing balls can pay attention for 2 hours a day!!!!!!!!! And then take 3 months to make up their minds………..
I got to get a better job…………….
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 12:58pm@Mildot…I will not comply either. They canlock me up and take everything I own. Screw them. I have drawn the line in the sand and they can kiss my a@@
If you are a Patriot, you should never comply either. But people are fearful and I am sure the sheeple will never revolt as long as they have an iPad with doodle jump on it. I may go alone, but I will be free….
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 4:20pmMy husband and I had a lengthy discussion on this one. We WILL NOT COMPLY! This is our line in the sand. So it looks like we will have ajoining jail cells. Of course my husband says he won’t go to jail without a fight, so maybe not.
Report Post »Truth Wins Every Time
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:57amWe must fight for that which is right.
And we must fight twice as hard against that which is wrong.
Obama is wrong in every way. This fake will kill our once great country and leave it in ashes as he walks away.
When we vote people, get as many people as you can to witness the vote count. It will do no good if you vote against Obama BUT your vote is counted as FOR him.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:52amThis is a battle for Liberty not affordable healthcare.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:17pmAgree. This is not a “solution” from our benificent Big Brother. This is about control. If the government truly cared about lowering health costs, they would allow competition and sales of different plans across state lines.
Report Post »BeingThere
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:38amObamacare is unconstitutional. You don‘t have to be an elfin’ attorney to know that!!! Anyone who voted for it or supports it in any way is a traitor to the United States of America and should be tried and convicted of treason.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:50amAgreed on the matter of it being unconstitutional; as for the treason, include Obama for his signing of it after it passed.
Report Post »BeingThere
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 12:17pm@snowleopard Of course he’s included, as well as anyone who worked on it in any way, including the person or persons who typed it!!!!
Report Post »mmm535
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 4:54pmYou’re taking your point way too far. Most people on both sides don‘t know what’s in the bill or what’s not in it. The basic idea is that it’s a universal healthcare bill, and I don’t see how anyone can be treasonous for supporting or opposing a bill like this. It’s constitutionality is another issue, but plenty of laws have been struck down as unconstitutional without provoking cries of treason.
Report Post »hi
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:33amLumberspine
What the heck do you call the government taking over healthcare?? It’s socialism. Capitalism gives people freedom to make their own decisions. If the mandate is so great, why does Congress exempt themselves from it?
Healthcare has gotten more expensive since the the mandate was passed. In Canada, everything is more expensive to buy because of the healthcare. For example, a car would cost $10,000 more in Canada than it costs here. So, the healthcare is not free. There are numerous taxes on everything in order to pay for crappy care.
Report Post »Forward
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:22am@Lumbar Spine
Thank you for gracing us with your “clever” comments. I do understand your point that, if the Supreme Court upholds HCR then it is by definition, “constitutional” since we have given through the Consitution the decision as to what is constitutional to the Supreme Court.
This type of argument is what has made liberalism so tedious to anyone with an ounce of integrity. I believe that I am just about worn out in discussing issues where liberals/progressives try to say that something is “right” because it is “legal”. Would that your approach would spread to all areas of discourse. For example, the Occupy movement has routinely engaged in illegal activities; shouldn’t you be dead set against their activities? Similarly, if states enact antiabortion statutes and the Supreme Court does not strike them down are they not Constitutional? In your world, to maintain consistency they must be.
Some of us, however, believe in a right and wrong. I do believe in the Constitution. I also believe in the fallability of humans. If the Court upholds HCR I will still believe in the Constitution, while I hold that the Court made a mistake. Even you can see that the Court can make mistakes (Dred Scott anyone?). Right and wrong are NOT the same as legal and illegal. Only those who cannot tell the difference argue for their equivalance. Here’s hoping that you will find your way. I’m sure you can count on our prayers in your journey.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:29amI think the Citizens United case, decided by the Supreme Court, is bad law. It finished selling democracy to the highest corporate bidder. But it’s the law…
Report Post »Forward
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:48am@Lumbar Spine
Since you believe Citizens United is bad law, does that mean that organizations and individuals who support them that utilize those provisions of the law to voice their collective opinions are right or wrong? I assume that, based on the arguments you have presented on Constitutionality that you grudgingly believe they are right.
If, on the other hand, you believe that they are wrong, then you certainly do understand the position of many of the posters in this thread who believe that a decision of the Court to uphold HCR would be wrong. I hope that this is the case as it shows a deeper understanding of the world that the legalistic view above. At that point we can begin a real and valuable discourse as disagreements about right and wrong are far more fundamental and are far more telling than about legalisms.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:59amFORWARD…what I take issue with is the over the top, drama queen language of people who equate Obamacare with some sort of treasonous, Communist takeover. If Obama care stands then America will continue to exist as the most powerful and democratic nation in history. The only difference will be that more people will be covered by health care insurance.
Report Post »crazedbanshee
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 5:34pm@Lumbar
The lack of understanding expressed in your last statement makes me sad.
1. We are not a democratic nation we are a republic. Do you not elect a representative?
2. By saying, “The only difference will be that more people will be covered by health care insurance.”, is just ridiculous. You are saying that there is no change to any taxes? There is no change to the insurance system at all?
I cannot even believe that you think the only result is 30 million more people are insured. Blows my mind really. You truly are ignorant, or lying through your teeth to try and sound good in your argument. As I think of my kids possible future, because of people like you, that are either ignorant or lying through their teeth, it ****** me off.
Report Post »Kathy foster
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:11amI think they should all be impeached!
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:42amSpiney had his gubmint vitamins this morning. You go spiney, show em all how cool soft core socialism is man. It has worked everywhere it was tried. Except, the USSR, Eurotrash zone, africa, sud america, cuba, canada. Oh, damn. Well keep pushing your agenda pinhead because there really might be people who don’t know, in Trenton, or UC Irvine, or maybe Chicago or Detroit. Spiney on. Where is the encinomom to back you up? Where is the other half of your team? Spiney going all rogue. Coolaide overdose?
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:52amIt’s not socialism, Communism, Marxism or any other “ism” you want to throw out (without actually knowing what they mean)…it‘s freakin’ common sense. The most prosperous and powerful nation on earth should be able to find a way to make health care affordable for its people. It makes America stronger…
Report Post »LowIncome
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:35pm@Lumbar
Report Post »The only problem is that since the passage of the HCR, my health insurance coverage provided by my employer has not become cheaper. My premiums have increased, the coverage decreased and out of pocket expenses have also increased. This HCR does not benefit the low income families. Last year my total taxable wages neared $50,000 and things are now more difficult for me because of the increased health care costs. energy costs and food costs. As Obama said it best, “Energy costs will necessarily skyrocket” which should have said the same about healthcare.
Thank you to all who voted for and are in favor of the HCR. America will become a weaker nation due to the increased debt that will come as a response to this law. The Federal Government has no right to mandate individuals to purchase something whether health insurance, tv, internet, phones, whatever it is they constitutionally cannot mandate individually for anyone person to buy such goods or services.
lynnissmart
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:31amGinsberg‘s vote shouldn’t be counted since she would look to the constitution of South Africa for the law……true!!! c o m m i e
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:48pmIf Kagan had an ounce of integrity(she is a liberal so we know she doesn’t) she would recuse herself because she set up the arguments of this case as solicitor general. The only reason she was nominated as a justice is to ensure she would be an Obama vote for it.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:30amhopefully the supreme court will have better judgement than mitt romney did as governor of MASS
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:19amI want to know why the supremos slow rolled the taxpayers on this one…
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:26amAccording to some it’s part of a grand Marxist plot to take down America and install a Communist dictatorship. And the sad part is that my sarcastic statement is taken as literal truth by many here…
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:37amHey, SOUPIE…get back to me when you have something intelligent to say.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:48amNo need.
Report Post »Just remember the whole principle aspect. Not something that is bandied about in your usual chat spots, but if your Man gets his way, expect your own tacticts and actual principle to rule the day. Spiney. You humor me, don‘t beat on your keyboard or break something that isn’t yours, but troll on man. Where did you get your life size Kagan doll with the 0 look on her face?
Oh, how many converts did you get with the “your beloved constitution” part? Trolling 101 man, come on and get with it. How can you garner any respect or gain any converts with angry leftist rants like that? Where are your TPM’s and flash cards?
SoupSandwich
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:51amDitto-
Report Post »How is the convert count going? You cannot make a living is sales.
Stuck_in_CA
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:16amThe SCOTUS should hear this one, too: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/03/media-blackout-on-obama-eligibility.html
Report Post »All of the laws BHO has signed, should be thrown out.
Darla_K
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:15amIf and when this healthcare passes what will we be fighting next? Dental insurance? Earthquake insurance? End of the world insurance? This is so crazy. Why take something that was working just to make things worse? I cannot believe these people are tearing this great country apart with these new laws. Life is so short as it is and now we are fighting this crap.
Report Post »Noonien_Soong
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:10amIt may come to surprise to some, but the Obamacare will be struck down by a 5 to 4 margin.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:12amBADDOGGY…so in other words, the Constitution is inherently flawed because it allows the Supreme Court to validate illegality? So you’d prefer to get rid of the Constitution…?
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:16amI think we’ve been slow rolled on purpose.
Report Post »bbillschnee
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:17amLumbar Spine, Who is John Galt!!!!! Don’t shruge ATLAS!!!!!!!!
Report Post »bbillschnee
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:19amLumbar Spine, Who is John Galt??????? Don’t shruge ATLAS!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:20amJohn Galt…? Used to play wide receiver for Tennessee? Or am I thinking of Willie Galt…?
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:23amHey Lumbar…Uphold the Constitution. You think the Supreme Court is never wrong? Roe V wade for instance legalized MURDER…How is that working out for us? Moron.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:38amit was never the intent of the founders that 9 government lawyers with lifetime tenure would decide the limits of government power
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:43amSOYBOMB…why do you hate the Constitution? It’s the Constitution that says those nine people on the Supreme Court get to interpret the constitutionality of laws. If you don’t like that then you must not like the Constitution…
Report Post »hi
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:29amLumberspine
Report Post »Sotomayor does not believe in the Constitution . She has been quoted as saying she believes in case law. She should have never been sworn in. She hates America and so does Obama.
Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:32amYea…and Obama is a Marxist Muslim plotting the overthrow of our government, declaring Marshall Law, and installing himself as dictator for life. LOL…freakin’ drama queens.
Report Post »Arch Stanton
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 11:15amLumbar Spine: Obvious troll is obvious. You don‘t even know that it’s MARTIAL law. As in military rule and suspension of normal laws. Your ignorance is astounding…you can’t even manage to insult us properly.
On a positive note, I know a guy who sells drool cups and football helmets for cheap if you need a new set.
Report Post »LowIncome
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:44pm@Soybomb
Report Post »The Supreme Court Justices are not appointed for life. They are appointed for good behavior. There has been justices in the past that were impeached or resigned instead of being impeached. Lifetime appointments is a modern fallacy that many believe as truth because you never hear of any Justices being impeached.
soybomb315
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 3:52pm@lowincome
Report Post »thats exactly what “tenure” means…
joleary
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:52am@Lumbar Spine. While it is true that the constitution gives the POTUS their authority, it is also true that POTUS has made decisions that many would see as overstepping its authority. http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7l6DWHBPR3cAzWtXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnZlZnRlBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkAw–/SIG=123n9emog/EXP=1332791555/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:58amUnder the Constitution regardless whether you think a Supreme Court ruling is bad, it is still the law of the land. Are you suggesting the sacred Constitution is flawed in that regard by allowing the Supreme Court to interpret the law?
Baddoggy
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:08am@Lumbar…I am sure you see youe welfare check as a constitutionally mandated gift under the “good and plenty clause”…Put you have the First Ammendment right to type in stupid #hit…
Just like Roe V Wade…If the Supreme Court says this law is Constitutional, they are 100% wrong. How do I know? Because MURDER is against the law! Roe V Wade should be struck down on that point alone…But now MURDER is legal…Yea, the Supreme Court can be WRONG. But you worship at the alter of men and not God…sad for you.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:10amMornin’ Lumbar. You trolls are out early today…That’s right, it’s Monday! Welfare office must’ve been closed over the weekend. Let me guess…standing in line trolling around the Blaze on your iPad3 while waiting to collect your (that is, the peoples) check. Such a life.
Report Post »bbillschnee
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:14amLumbar Spine, Who is John Galt????? Don’t shruge ATLAS!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:14amSpiney, spiney, spiney. You have a full body Kagan poster of her drooling next to the Potus, don’t you? Look at your trolling all over the place with a sort of buckshot pattern. Some appear to get encited by your trolling, but wow dude, the gubmint doesn’t have to ask you for your permission, you just roll over, spread em and smile. How do you do it man and keep your sanity? Hero worship is a sick sick thing. Soft core socialism is just a turd with kernels of corn. Still a turd. Get it right and go for the whole enchilada, why pussyfoot around? Wankers cannot even get that right due to sloth and zero work ethic. Troll on you crazy troller.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:19amHey, SOUPIE…is the reason you never engage in any semblance of debate because you are intellectually incapable?
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:35amWoe is me. I have done been bested by the all mighty Spiney. Where is that ADA handbook. Shirley the gubmint will now take care of me now that Spiney has reduced me to a shaking mass of F you spiney. Not going to happen. Soft core socialism has yet to work, sell it elsewhere.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:52ammany employers are waiting for the end of Obama care before they hire …Obamacare is the biggest job killing legislation ever….An end to Obama care will improve the economy.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:39amI will NOT comply. No matter what they rule. They can take all my money, my house and put me in prison. I will NEVER comply to Obamacare. The line has been drawn for me. They will steal no more.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:44amYou will go to jail rather than obtaining health care insurance? Yea, that’s the product of a rational mind…
Report Post »WarWyzard
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:51amLumbar Spine…..please take your liberal anti-American, disgraceful, disrespecful, Obama loving self out of this great country!!!
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:57am@ Lumbar, Actually, it is. A rational person knows when their natural and/or God-given rights are being taken away and does something about it. Only a spineless jellyfish caves to any and every demand put upon them.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:57amI indeed would rather go to prison that allow a Government to steal my LIBERTY and FREEDOM. I stand for something. You on the other hand, look to the Government for what? A welfare check? Guideance? Maybe you like the FACT tthat they STEAL from anyone who is a producer to give to a non producer.
I would say I have a very RATIONAL mind…While you have a mind of a titt y sucking government crybaby. If you wont stand up and fight you are nothing more than a slave to the Federal Government. You are not free….I will be free , even if they put me in prison. I am sure that thought escapes your puny mind.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:59amWAR…this IS my country. You people are the ones perverting it.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:04amSGTB…so, in other words, you have a God-given right to remain without health care insurance and become a burden on the rest of society if you get sick? And the health care industry has a God-given right to rip off people like you and me…?
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:07amWait. You won’t comply if they rule it unconstitutional? ;-)
@Lumbar
A rational mind has no need to be forced to buy something, ragardless of if it needs it or not. No rational mind would write a Federal law that forces someone to buy something or be sent to jail.
…and before you go to the “states force you to buy car insurance,” you’re comparing apples and 1971 Ford Pintos. The 10th Amendment is clear that “(t)he powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Read ‘em and weap. The Federal government does not have the power delegated by the Constitution to mandate that anyone buy anything, therefore the power (here, meaning ability) to compel someone buy insurance is reserved to the states, respectively. That‘s the reason why the constitutionality of Romneycare isn’t in question.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:08amLumbar Spine
Report Post »Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:44am
You will go to jail rather than obtaining health care insurance? Yea, that’s the product of a rational mind…
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That is what passes for reason on the Blaze. Most Beckerheads, at best have a grade school understanding of the Constitution, with none of the nuances of the law or jurispurdence. Its easy for Beck and Fox News can implant slogans and chants in such empty minds. They tell you its unconstitutional, but they can’t tell you why, if Social Security and Medicard/Medicaid have been found Constitutional.
Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:16amENCICOM…and they fail to grasp the irony of their position, that although they worship the sacred Constitution they fail to grasp that it is the Constitution that allows the Supreme Court to validate what they claim are illegalities. It’s funny and sad at the same time…
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:18am@ Lumbar spine… If I do not have health insurance, I do not expect anyone else to take care of me. If someone gets sick, shows up at the emergency roomn now, they get treatment at no cost because of Unconstitutional laws. The law makes it a crime to turn away anyone so the law makes the doctor a SLAVE.
Therefore you are for slavery because you force the doctor to perform a service on you if you are sick and have no insurance and he must do it for free….If I were a doctor, you would get FREE healthcare…good luck with that. I would sew a dirty sock into your chest cavity…
If we are free men, we have the right to live free and live with the responsibilities that come with that freedom. No man or Government will force me to give away my labor, my money or my liberty unless I want them to. If you want to be a slave, fine. DO IT! But do not expect me to take up your responsibilities and pay for your girlfriends abortion or your food…
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:22amThere should be some kind of a bell ringing when Spiney and Encinomom log on to spew forth. Trolls of a feather and all that.
Report Post »Spiney, you won’t find the actual meaning of Principle in any of your sites, articles, and periodicals du jour of lefty speak. The left sold out, has zero principle, and your wet noodle spine couldn’t handle the weight anyway. Many, many, many of us would overload your new prisons on priciple alone. Get that through-repeat it in the mirror the way you treat your Kagan doll. Not here, not now, zero tolerance for soft core socialism. Reach down, grab one of those cojones, and repeat it over and over. No. Not here, not now, zero tolerance for soft core socialism. Not because it is a half assed attempt, but because it errodes individual freedoms and has yet to work, like the left, anywhere it has been tried.
Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:24amNo, BADDOGGY… most people want to live in the 21st Century and not in the past as many of you do. It is shameful that on the most prosperous and powerful nation on the planet that people do not have health care because they can’t afford it.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:29amencinom
You are confused again my friend. The whole slogan thing is a tool used by the left and for the mindless idiots that vote democrat.
Hell no, we wont go – liberals
Report Post »No blood for oil – liberals
Bush lied, kids died – liberals
One people, one planet, one future – liberals
Yes we can – liberals
Give peace a chance – liberals
save the wales -liberlas
It’s Time to Change America – liberals
Change We Can Believe In – liberals
it a womans choice – liberals
rangerp
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:36amLumbar Spine
Oh spineless one. Who has the best healthcare in the world? The U.S. does. Why do so many from Candad and Europe come here in the U.S. for treatment? Because ours is better, and it is faster, and there is more choice. Gov healthcare takes the choice out of the equation.
Why did the founding fathers never speak of healthcare? they figured that they would provide a country with freedoms where the common man can get out, work, and provide for himself.
If gov healthcare is so great, why don’t you pack up and move to a communist country that has it?
Nothing is free, someone pays for it. mandadet healthcare will make your local doctors office become more like the tag office where you get your drivers liscence and car tag. Not exactly what I want in healthcare
we have laws on the books where if someone shows up to the emergency room, they get seen, regardless if they have money or not.
your healthcare is not about the care, it is about the power in the hands of liberals.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:40amRANGER…best health care? Yep…but too bad most Americans can’t afford access to it. It’s not a question of how good or advanced medicine is…it‘s that people can’t afford it. The BEST country on earth can do better than that for its people!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:44am@Lumbar…I am glad you cleared that up for me…Slavery by the Progressives like you is a 21st Century good idea? Sorry, I will not play your game. You run along and be a slave to the State. I refuse.
When you steal one mans income or work to give to another, how does God look upon you? I think he would call you a THIEF!
We have a Government who steals from us and you are willing to go along with it. Not only that but to call me out for it. You are no better than a brain dead Obamabot Marxist, Socialist, Communist.
Let me ask you…What happens when the producers refuse to produce? What happens when the doctors refuse to go to work? Hows your little world then? OOPS!! Kinda like you wont get free welfare checks and free healthcare after all!
I would call you an idiot, but that would insult idiots!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:58amif people of this country don’t comply – there is no way they could throw us all in jail….on second though, maybe they would
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:00amLumbar Spine
“healthcare that most Americans can not afford”
Another giant lie told by the libs. People in this country are not dying because of lack of healthcare. yes, frivolous law suits, and government intrusions have drivin up the cost, but we do not have droves of Americans out there going without care. Our poorest people get seen.
I have lived in developing nations where folks do not have healthcare. We do not compare. the poorest kids in the projects have healthcare (and generally were hundred dollar tennis shoes, gold chains, and mom often drives a more expensive care than I do).
how about we ditch the FDA, and other gov intrusions, and let the private sector handle the healthcare? Once again, it is not about the healthcare, it is about more power in the hands of the Constitutin hating, Bible denying, anti God, leftists that are looking for full blown socialism and communism.
Report Post »OhSuzieQ
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 9:07amMove over and make room for me, BadDoggy.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 10:55amRanger Dan I guess you don’t listen to Beck or watch Fox, its all the same slogans and mantras, starting with the lie “Fair and Balanced.” They keep it simple for folks like you, anybody who is not in the GOP is a socialist or communist and we would be farting rainbows today if Reagan was still alive and installed as dictator for life.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 11:29amENCINOM
So is that the best you can do? “fair and balanced” is not a conservative slogan, it is an advertising slogan for a news company. do you not see the difference? “Ford Tough” is a advertising slogan for Ford.
So name me a Tea Party Slogan? got one yet. I can give you loads of OWS slogans.
basically, conservatives ask for things like a balanced budget, lower taxes, and adhearing to the constitution. Not real great material for slogans.
The left uses slogans, because they appeal to the uneducated and the dumb. Slogans and talking points are great for those that can not apply critical thinking and logic.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 11:30amENCINOM
just for you. Enlighten yourself with a little wisdom from Ann
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Politics/ann-coulter-conservative-commentator-takes-liberal-mob-read/story?id=13773013&page=4
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 1:52pm@Ranger Dan,
The Tea Party itself is nothing more than a run away slogan. Than there are the lies about Death Panels, Obamacare, Balanced Budget Amendment.
The simple minds on the right like broad concepts and pretty pictures about a past that never was. End Welfare, but there is no nuance, no thought on how or who will be affected. The simple conservative minds like clear black and white issues.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 2:45pmENCINOM
-so basically, you are tapping out? Still not slogans for me, but one advertising quote, and some lame comments about the Tea Party.
The “tea party” is not a slogan, it is a name. Named after the tea party prior to the revolutionary war, and I will also claim it to be a bad name.
The modern day Tea Party folks get their power at the voting booth (check the 2010 election results). The original tea party (Sam Adams and crew) almost messed up the American Revolution. Study John Adams and his writings, and also the writings of Jefferson. The American revolution was put in place by christian men, who prayed much, and thought deep. They were not looking for a revolution like the French put on, were libs in mob fashion go off half cocked, and destroy (like your OWS folks).
As far as obama care lies, why dont you pontificate? have you actually read the bill? Choosing who gets care, and when is in there (your death panels). It mandates that citizens buy healthcare, even if they do not want it (find that in the constitution).
So, once again, we have proved you wrong. We came up with lots of slogans the left uses, and none for the right.
Do you ever get tired of getting schooled in online debates by a dumb, country, army dude (Infantry at that) ?
Ranger Dan Out
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 3:00pmEncinom
“we would be farting rainbows today if Reagan was still alive and installed as dictator for life.”
Here is some more education for you. Generally it is the left that worships its liberal leaders. How many schools ever sang songs of praise for any Republican in office? How about your Obama?
We do not worship our politicians, we stick to ideals, morality, and a constitution. It is the left that worships the likes of a Kennedy, Clinton, Obama…. They give blind alegence, and violoate their own values.
Did the National Organization of Women ever say so much as a peep when Clinton had a sexual affair with a 19 year old intern in the Oval Officec. What would they have said if it was bush that had done the same? They are a leftist joke, and have nothing to do with the rights of women, but everything to do with the right to murder a baby.
How about the beloved Ted Kennedy. Mr drill your your butt with questions for senate hearings, but he is the one that drove a woman off a bridge, killed her, and then told no one until the next day (we call that murder where I come from).
how about Hillary and white water gate?
Once again, us real conservatives aint in love with the Republican party, or the republican politicians. We are loyal to the constitution, conservative values, conservative ideals (low taxes, personel freedoms, adhearance to the constitution). We do not believe in collective salvation. We believe in the individual freedom.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:57pmRanger Dan who is saying you are a real conservative? You are a reactionary seeking to destroy this nation and replace it with a Theocracy. All we hear from the COnservatives, Santorum, Ryan, etc is their praise and worship of Reagan.
And yes, the Tea Party is nothing more than a brand, a meaningless term created by DC insiders to sell to the ignorant, racist masses in middle America to make noise and protect the riches of the GOP fat cat backers.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 10:17amencinom
Stop your wimpering and pathetic sniveling.
you claimed conservatives to be the ones who use slogans, and i proved you wrong. man up and admit that I spanked you yet again in debate.
Reagan was good, Coolidge was even better. But I worship neither.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:33amYeah because I’m just sure they are going to throw out Universal healthcare.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:38amHow are you so sure…did God tell you that? Ask God who is going to win the Final Four…
Report Post »goahead.makemyday
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:06amLUMBAR I believe that was sarcasm, I might be mistaken. But I don’t think so.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:32am.
Report Post »The Vote will be 5-4, And ObamaCare will live on……………
Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:52amMost legal experts agree that is the most likely outcome. And you know what’s going to happen if the Supreme Court upholds Obamacare? The sun will rise the following morning and each morning after that and America will continue to be America, the strongest nation on earth, just like it always has…except that more Americans will be covered by health insurance. All of this nonsense about a Communist takeover is embarrassingly stupid…something that has been put into the minds of gullible people by dishonest vested interests.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:13amNot so sure about that. The question will be asked “what is the limit of the law” Because there would be no limit, meaning the Government can compel you to buy anything. I don’t think it will stand. Even the most Lib judge cant believe the government has no limit to it’s power. (I hope)
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:30amSpiney-
Report Post »You forget yourself so often, it is disheartening. I will go to jail or pay a fine. I know many others that will go to jail or pay a fine toooooo. Let that ring in your empty head. Jail and a fine is much prefferable to bending and smiling the Spiney way. You keep it. We can use some of your lefty ways and break the system too. How does that fit your mold?
Tired of paying for your abortions, your cell phones, your housing, your EBT cards and then there is welfare and that ugly gorilla is getting larger the more your man stays in office. Welfare king and his minons are all over the place now, but in reality you pinheads are few. Spread em and smile Spiney.
ZAP
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:23amThis will be a true test to see if the communist have taken over America.
Report Post »jamestoms
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:23amThis court dosen‘t give me freedom and dosen’t rule me. Justice in America is dead. To hell with all liars in the courts. You know they are above you, the public is a slave in this country. I stand for the Constitution these people are FOOLS, don’t you be lead astray!
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:37amYour beloved Constitution is what gives the Supreme Court its authority…the same Supreme Court that you suggest you shouldn’t be bound by because of the Constitution.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:52am“Your beloved Constitution” ? That says a whole lot about you spineless.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 7:54amWhile it is true that the Supreme Court garners its’ authority from the Constitution, it no longer rules with the Constitution. Anyone with spare time can figure this out in mere minutes. And this is not a new or even relatively new occurrence. In fact, the Supreme Court has already upheld the unconstitutional ability of the federal gov’t to force you to buy a good or service. This was most notably decided in Wickard v. Filburn when the gov’t forced a farmer to destroy his own crops that would be used to feed his own livestock on his farm because it would have “interfered” with the national market because he would have otherwise had to buy his feed from someone else. It continues to this day with Monsanto forcing people to buy their seed or face random searches of their land and severe criminal prosecution for allowing their evil corn to cross-pollinate with a neighbor’s corn that is a GMO from Monsanto.
So while your argument against Jamestoms is correct on the basis that the Supreme Court is constitutionally founded, it is entirely wrong in the light of their “rulings” because they are anything but constitutional.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:02amSo…the Constitution is flawed because it allows one of the branches of government to grant Constitutional suthority to laws that are unconstitutioinal? Or is it that people like you simply want to pick and choose what part of the Constitution they agree or disagree with…and declare anyone who disagrees with you a Communist?
Report Post »goahead.makemyday
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:17amLUMBAR to make something previously unconstitutional now constitutional it requires an amendment to the constitution and the bill of rights. That is set in the core legal findings of the constitution, any other actions to approve or deny actions based on the constitution and bill of rights are unconstitutional. The power of the supreme court is explicitly defined as not making legal actions but comparing the law to what is said in the constitution and bill of rights. Now however we see the court taking actions and approving things that are neither stared in the constitution nor in the following amendments we call the bill of rights. So not only is ALL of the Executive Mandates(since the President is given no authority to make laws or regulations) but so is the Supreme Court.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 8:30amSo, in other words, you’re saying the Constitution has allowed illegality to flourish. Why do you hate the Constitution…?
Report Post »crazedbanshee
Posted on March 26, 2012 at 6:21pmOnce again your ignorance saddens me. The constitution was made to help protect freedoms by limiting the federal government. The founding fathers continually warned that the freedoms protected by the constitution could be taken away by corrupt individuals. Federal powers were explicitly made broad/high level, because a person at the federal level has no idea what the needs, or wants are for the individuals in all areas. This is why power is given to the states because they are more aware of their peoples needs. This is also the reason that many states grant powers to their municipalities.
You in your ignorance and their arrogance think that a few persons governing the 300 + million can know the needs of the people rather than the local government. Again when I think of the possible future for my kids, because of ignorant people like you, it ****** me off.
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