Herman Cain Announces ‘9-9-9‘ is Actually a ’9-0-9′ Plan for those at Poverty Level
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That’s correct. Herman Cain announced that his signature “9-9-9“ plan is actually a ”9-0-9” plan — at least when it comes to the nation’s poor. Cain, who has accused critics of never having read his 9-9-9 plan through to completion, insisted the 9-0-9 provisions of his plan have been included in his campaign literature all along.
Speaking at the Michigan Central Station in downtown Detroit — where the unemployment rate is among the highest in the nation — Cain announced his proposal to create “opportunity zones” in the country’s inner cities.
“If you’re at or below the poverty level, your plan isn’t ‘9-9-9,’” Cain said to the crowd.
“It’s ‘9-zero-9.’ Say ‘Amen,‘ y’all! In other words, if you are at or below the poverty level based upon family size, because there’s a different number for each one, then you don’t pay that middle ‘9′ tax on your income. This is how we help the poor.”
Cain’s announcement reportedly comes on the heels of a study released by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington, which concluded the 9-9-9 would increase taxes by more than 900 percent on U.S. households earning between $10,000 and $20,000 annually.
Fox News adds:
A day earlier, Fox News had exclusively reported that Cain’s opportunity zone proposal is stirring displeasure among leaders of organized labor. Although he did not dwell on this during his appearance in Detroit, Cain insists that those areas that wish to qualify as an opportunity zone must eliminate what the campaign calls “barriers” to economic growth.
Examples of how to do that, as provided by campaign sources, include a number of steps considered anathema to Big Labor. They include the abolition of the minimum wage; the institution of school choice for parents; and the establishment of “right to work” conditions, which allow workers to refuse to join unions in unionized workplaces.
“It’s tough to take anything like that seriously,” AFL-CIO President richard Trumka told Fox News. “Look, workers are working hard and their wages have stagnated. To have Herman Cain, a serious contender on the Republican side, make a statement like that – that he wants to further lower wages, he wants to do away with the minimum wage – it’s almost laughable.”
Even Teamsters President James Hoffa weighed in, stating:
“Herman Cain‘s ’opportunity zones’ appear to be an opportunity for corporate America to exploit workers and turn the United States into a third-world country.”
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Comments (211)
c0mm0nsense
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:21pmSo now the 9-9-9 plan is now the 9-0-9 for some people. Hmmm, and so its starts, different numbers for different groups of people. Sounds BOLD to me. Say Goodbye Herman
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:27pmYeah, and he is going to get roasted trying to defend this plan against Obama. It’s just to easy to capitalize on the fact that the middle class is going to be paying more and the rich less. Herman can keep spining it however he wants but this thing is becoming a disaster.
Report Post »POOPSOCK
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:33pmActually I knew this would happen. Im fine with it. Im just happy to see them pay something. I am fed up with the poor buying nicer cars, enjoying free food, and free health and dental. It would be nice for them to just ONCE PAY SOMETHING at all. I personally will be glad to pay 9 and 9 instead of the the rate I pay now.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:38pmI have been telling you guys to watch out for these “empowerment zones” which he is now calling “opportunity zones” where he picks which cities are the winners and which are the losers. The more you see of this guy the more you will find out there is not very much at all to this guy you can call conservative.
Report Post »trickball
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:42pmThose below poverty level will still pay no personal income taxes as it is now. But, all will benefit because products will be less because many of the hidden taxes embedded in new products are removed making retail prices or the cost of new products less.
Report Post »Gerrymanderer
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:46pmFlip flopping is inevitable in modern politics. Cain is just another stooge whose all talk. Do you smell a RINO?
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:06pmJmiller’s weekly candidate list.
Cain was just above Perry for last, but with the empowerment zones, he has slid down into a tie.
Newt has great ideas, but is very slippery and I think we will find more stuff under the rug than we want and don’t think he could beat Obama.
Bachman, is a bit more of a straight shooter but she hasn’t come up with a detailed budget plan, and I think she would get tangled up in foreign affairs. Not to mention the Democrats have her pegged.
Romney would be Obama lite, and do nothing for the deficit.
Paul is by far out front, I agree with everything he has said so far, once I have looked into it deeper than skin level. Everyone else, the deeper I look, the worse it gets. There are even some Dems that respect him for his honesty.
1. Paul
Report Post »2. Newt/Bachmann
3. Romney
4. Cain/Perry
POOPSOCK
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:06pmThe goal of 999 has alwayds been to later move to a full blown consumption tax. It must be eased into though.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:14pmI prefer the 0-0-0 plan.
Report Post »kung
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:18pmYeah, the current tax code is wonderous.
Report Post »FreedomOnFire
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:20pm9-0-9 was actually always in there, you’d know this if you READ THE PLAN!
Report Post »stopthegames
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:51pmI would rather he said….Everyone pays NO tax up to the poverty line. That would get rid of the class warfare games and keep it simple and fair. Even if it has to be 10-10-10 because of it.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:54pm@trickball – do you really believe prices come down because a couple hidden taxes were removed? In Canada when they introduced the GST it replaced a hidden Manufacturers Sales Tax among others. No price reductions occurred. Profits went up as the missing tax was simply kept by the companies. Not sure what world you live in, but in the real one companies do not give back revenue for no reason.
Report Post »Right_on_the_Left_Coast
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:56pm@CommonSense,
This wasn’t a change in his 999 proposal, this was included all along. Personally, I have nothing against poverty-stricken Americans being exempt from the income tax portion of the code… They’re in poverty, for crying out loud!… And you‘re crying foul as though it’s unfair?!? C’mon…
The truth is that americans in poverty will still have to pay more in taxes under the Cain plan than they do right now, because of the 9% sales tax. And the other truth is that none of the other republican candidates hold as much promise as Herman Cain does… so don’t throw him out just yet.
Report Post »omglol
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:54pmI agree JMiller, those “Zones” he was talking about worry me also. So a utility company comes into Detroit, builds infrastructure with incentives because they are in a zone. Builds up the Area, Zone changes, they leave and it turns back to a wasteland. It doesn’t really seem to be getting to the root of the problem. I also think the 9-0-9 is BS, it should be uniform throughout the Amber waves of fuel. Because you know that welfare isn’t going anywhere, unless we get DR. Paul in. People will start complaining about hardships with having to pay .09 on every dollar the guvment gives them and there will be another break or subsidy.
Report Post »markThatcher
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:14amCome on Folks can Herman Cain be any worse than the pocetbook politicians we have now. If we are not BOLD enough to at least give him the nomination, then we will frever be enslaved to both the Progressive Prepublicans and Democrats. Eithe Herman or Ron Paul, our only hope.
Report Post »POOPSOCK
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:21amMost poverty stricken Americans I know have recieve 400-700 dollar in food stamps, free health care and free school lunches and breakfasts if they have kids. Some recieve free childcare WIC and HUD. Many have live in boyfriends who either have jobs or unemployment to tack on to all there freebees. Others work odd jobs on the side but dont report the money. I know alot of people like this so it not just a here and there thing. They are in a rut with NO incentive to get out. A 9% sales tax won’t hurt them a bit. It might even inspire them to buy used instead of brand new all the time. My children have figured out that their POOR relatives have free braces while we have to save for months. Just once I would like them to be responsible for a small part of the burden they put on society.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:28amkeep up the class warfare there buddy…
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:36amBut…but…
Ron Paul supporters are CRAZY for suggesting that Herman Cain is a Federal Reserve stooge with a gimmick!
Herman Cain’s “n-n-n” plan is AWESOME!
I wonder is Herman knows that the word “tax” ( from L. taxare “evaluate, estimate, assess, handle,“ also ”censure, charge,“ probably a frequentative form of tangere ”to touch”) really means “takes” (Goth. tekan “to touch”), which means “usury”, which means that Herman Cain is a USURPER suggesting that we willingly accept that the Federal government usurps our money through taxes so they can spend it as they see fit.
I wonder if he considers the Federal Government “touching” our money to financially MOLEST us
(touch your money against your will and without your consent).
We are being molested physically (TSA, VIPR teams, local police) and financially (Federal Reserve).
We’re being made to pass through the Fire of Moloch (molest), the stone owl that GW Bush and Co. worship at Bohemian Grove, and they don’t care (Cremation of Care Ceremony).
They ENJOY your molestation.
Defeat Satan.
Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:38amHerman Cain was a disaster from the day that the Federal Reserve pooped him out of the belly of the beast that he was so deep in.
Ron Paul 2012.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:43ampeople, please… for the love of America the beautiful, go to RonPaul2012.com and read his issues, solutions and his budget plan… The man is what America needs. Watch some of his videos on YouTube… he is the champion of Liberty and the defender of the Constitution.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 1:13amNo this has not been part of his plan all along. He is changing it as he goes. In changing the plan it exposes how it will be used if passed. Different groups will pay different taxes according to those in office. Those more on government will not pay for it.
To CNN’s Erin Burnett:
“I believe in empowerment zones. Most of the unemployed black Americans in this country are in these mostly economically depressed areas. It could be, and I’m only using this as an example, because we haven’t finished establishing the parameters yet. Instead of in a designated empowerment zone, it being 9-9-9, it could be, as an example only, 3-3-3.
What this does, because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit, disproportionately, it would encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there. It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.”
Report Post »Herman Cain 10/14/2011
demint.disciple
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 1:17amFunny I don’t see the regular “CAIN 2012”’s around defending anymore.. whats the matter Herman got your tongue ??? I‘ve been saying this guy is a fraud and I’ll say it again FRAUD !! Vote for this guy and you continuing the same status que.. lmao, “ 909” WTF is that ?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 2:15am“Ron Paul, our only hope”
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Gi2l0gWJBUE#!
carbonyes
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:53amCommonSense, get a life and some real common sense. Any new tax plan, which is desperately needed, is going to have some tweaks and adjustments. What are you another Ron Paul nummy? not saying Ron Paul doesn’t have some good ideas and potential needed policies, but he also has some problems in both the family values arena as well as his apparent views or his potential policies towards Israel. Can Paul beat Obama? not sure of that either. Cain, should he be nominated, can beat Obama.
Report Post »Twilly
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:00amPoopsock.. I understand your issues with the poor, But that is where the other 9 comes in…. The sales tax will force people who have been “getting around” the current tax laws to pay. This also includes Illegal aliens… Everyone will have to pay the sales tax
Report Post »notmeatglennbeckdotcom
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:27amI was thinking the same thing. I also noticed with this speech that Cain channeled Obama by slipping into a more pronounced ***** dialect than usual. Just be yourself Herman. I was ready to pull the trigger for you. Stop pandering to the poor, you won’t get their vote regardless.
Report Post »ThePatrioteer
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:01amI was thinking the same thing. Damn, I had some hope for him.
Report Post »Nanner-SW
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:45amsaranda
Report Post »In free market, competition decreases consumer costs. Yes, without it companies will keep the extra money (they see no need to lower price because they are the only ones the consumer can get the product/service from). As a consumer if you believe you can start a business where the product/service is much cheaper and still make a profit, go for it and take all of their business away while making the lives of their consumers much better.
mikem1969
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:49amWell, he just lost some of my support, EVERYONE, needs to pay their share of taxes, and the best way to make it EQUAL for all is to make EVERYONE no matter their income level or financial status PAY THE EXACT SAME PERCENTAGE OF INCOME TAX. That way it does not matter if you make $1.00 or $1,000,000, if the income tax level is set to say 10%, then you pay your 10% of a dollar at .10 and of a million dollars at 100000. Same percentage and all pay. That is what this country needs at this point in time and in the future. It needs to be the same for businesses and people.
Report Post »SeanW
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 11:45am@gerrymander Ron Paul has not flip flopped once in what 40 years? Therefore your statement is absolutely 100% wrong. Of course Perry, Romney, etc etc flip flop, they are not conservatives. But, those are the only ones that the media tells you to pay attention to. Instead of being a sheep, think for yourself.
Report Post »Boox
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:26pmWhat I’m concerned about is the people like my father. He’s on a pension and Social Security…a fixed income, and he won’t receive the benefit of income tax breaks. But, he sure will have to pay the 9% national sales tax. There are a lot of people like that out there who are making ends meet on a fixed budget, and they’re going to be screwed under 999. Disabled people (truly disabled people who can’t work) will be hit this way too. Whatever happened to Conservatives being against a national sales tax?? Do you really think future Congresses and future presidents are going to keep that national sales tax at 9%. They’ll hit all of us in the pocketbook, not just the rich. Think ahead a bit, and think of our aging parents.
Report Post »I Love Freedom
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:41pmLets see if I have this right:
1) Tea Party stands for TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY Right? So you Cain supporters support another tax WITHOUT him explaining and CUTS anywhere? YOU SUPPORT A NEW TAX?
2) If you belong to the tea party, HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THIS?
3) If you belong to the Tea Party, WHY DOES HIS CONNECTION TO THE FED NOT BOTHER YOU?
4) The tax code currently is a mess BECAUSE of special concerns for certain groups, WHY IS HE EXCLUDING CERTAIN GROUPS?
The man is in over his head.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 2:33pm@CarbonYes
“he also has some problems in both the family values arena as well as his apparent views or his potential policies towards Israel.”
What are you talking about? You sound like you need to call up the Ron Paul campaign so they can explain to you Ron Paul’s view that you clearly lack knowledge of.
Ron Paul’s views on family values is top notch; staunch 100% pro-life; staunch 100% Christian believing we all can express it thru government.
Ron Paul’s view on Israel is exactly how it should be, our friend not our welfare baby. Do you believe warfare helps Americans or make them weaker? Same principle with foreign welfare then. Trying to keep Israel dependent on USA foreign aid is wrong and will make them weaker. So truthfully those saying give Israel aid are like Obama saying give citizens government money. Dependency…..
“Can Paul beat Obama? not sure of that either. Cain, should he be nominated, can beat Obama.”
Yes Ron Paul will beat Obama as he will win a majority of independents.
Report Post »Cain will lose to Obama due to his support of wall street bailouts, big business, and flip flops.
stopspendingourmoney
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 2:51pmHerman Cain is unelectable and his 999 plan has more holes in it than Swiss cheese, Ron Paul’s plan is much better, in his plan he will be able to balance the budget in 3 years of his presidency , he has allot more support and he has been right on everything he has said about tarp bailouts, housing and the economy, he was right all along, look and see where Cain stands on the feds and tarp, he is just another tool for the elites wake up Cainites!!! he is not the man he is just more of the same, Ron Paul is who we need at this time. Ron Paul 2012. Cain will be just another nail in America’s coffin possibly the last.
Report Post »Bounder
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 2:59pmWow, the Paulies are out in force today! You idiots are worse than Liberals. Why? BECAUSE YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER!
The 9-9-9 plan has not “changed under scrutiny.” The 9-0-9 language has always been there. But idiots like you dissenters just go by what the MSM says. The MSM, the other candidates attacking the plan, and the so-called independent third-party analyzers are all exposing themselves for the political same-old-same-olds they are. Making allegations before gleaning all the facts.
Cain is the only one we can count on not to fall into playing politics as usual because he is not a politician!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:27pm@Bounder
You are wrong. Cain’s own words show you are wrong. How can you call anyone an idiot when you clearly have fooled yourself?
3-3-3 was said by HERMAN CAIN for Detroit and now in Detroit it is 9-0-9. The plan has changed. Have some integrity and honor by being truthful Cain is making it up as he goes along.
Don’t be a hater on someone else, Ron Paul, because your candidate is acting like a politician and changing his views every other day.
You are the one who shows to be an idiot and should be ashamed of yourself. Have a great day!
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:29pmSorry, I like Cain but 999 ain’t gonna cut it. There is no way in hell that a 9% federal sales tax is going anywhere. The people will start hanging politicians from trees. They are going to start doing that anyway. The only fair tax is a flat tax that EVERYBODY pays. Same rate for EVERYBODY no matter how much or little you make. Anything else is just the same old crap.
Report Post »Squ33
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:53pmGlenn said some time ago that a point in time is coming where “People will start to show their true selves.” Thank god Cain said this before the end of the primary.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 12:40pmand ‘kerplunk’! right back into the same hole. We can’t keep carrying those unwilling to do for themselves. Sure, it’s noble. Yes, it’s charitable. and even a bit heroic. But it’s not appreciated. It‘s not recognized in the context in which it is provided and it’s handicapping the nation. Yea, it promotes diversity. It demonstrates compassion. Shows sacrifice and leadership. But it‘s passe’ and self destructive. It’s even foolish.
Even one hand clapping can be harnessed to some benefit. But only if the owner is willing to apply himself to the task. The number of leeches becomes too much at some point. It has to. But at what point does the host become aware and self defensive in his own behalf?
Report Post »inferno
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:18pmWhat the hell is wrong with requiring any group of people from paying any income tax ? It should be that everybody pays something, or nobody pays anything. Where is it written that some people get a free ride on the backs of the rest of us ? In most cases the group that is getting a free ride, are the ones complaining they aren’t getting enough, and end up screaming they want a “bigger piece of the pie”. And if they don’t they threaten to attack those who are footing the total bill ! Enough of this s–t already ! It seems every Republican except Bachman is sttriving to be “Obama lite”.
Report Post »trickball
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:50pmI beleive they will still pay the sales tax becaues everyone pays the sales tax on new products. Its just that they will not pay the personal income tax portion. The overall goal is to broaden the tax base (targeting the underground economy), increase job growth, reduce foreclosures because the sales tax component will only on NEW homes or NEW products and NOT used products, and attract businesses back to America. Those at the poverty level will not stay there because with job growth comes better paying jobs. Pundits and others like to accuse Republicans of not being sympathic to the poor well this proves then wrong.
Report Post »Crakaveli
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:15pmanother flip flop…
Report Post »OpenRevolt
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:46amCain doesn’t even know what his 9-9-9 plan is supposed to be. On CNN he claimed it would be 3-3-3 for blacks in Detroit–see the video for proof:
http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2011/10/14/cain-blows-up-999-plan-with-empowerment-zones/
Maybe it will turn out to be 0-0-0 for all his buddies and 12-12-12 for the “schmuck” who didn’t have thousands donate to him?
Sounds like “Hope and Change” is his followers mantra.If you support Cain your being an Obama supporter with an R next to your name.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 1:24amWOW !! Herman Cain… “I believe in empowerment zones. Most of the unemployed black Americans in this country are in these mostly economically depressed areas. It could be, and I’m only using this as an example, because we haven’t finished establishing the parameters yet. Instead of in a designated empowerment zone, it being 9-9-9, it could be, as an example only, 3-3-3.
Report Post »What this does, because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit, disproportionately, it would encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there. It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.”
Vahlkyrie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:43am@OPENREVOLT
I guess it solves this problem, eh?
*snip*
“Cain made the case that the entitlement program was inherently biased against African Americans.
“If that’s going to be a transfer from me to white people,” Cain said of his own payments into the Social Security trust fund, “can’t I at least give it to white people I like?”
huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/herman-cain-abortion-planned-parenthood-2004-campaign_n_996631.html
Report Post »reform
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:29amYes and it seems that the same group of people that didn’t back the Ryan proposal you know the one he put out there and everybody started to bash,it just goes to show where America’s is if you are first one to put something out there, then it is like a poker game I will see you 10 and raise you 20. Americans won’t be willing to jump into a flat or fair tax until they see some progress and with the current tax code we will remain stagnant so I applaud him for putting an effort out there like I said the rest are now just trying to up him one the 999 plan can be tweaked just like any new software or television or anything that comes on the market. Something has to be done this underground economy has been going for on for too long somehow we have to put a stop to it the question is how if the 999 plan is no good than what and I know all the Ron Paul supporters will say end the Fed but is that likely to come about in any short period of time I don‘t think so we have been trying for how long now to audit the Fed we’ve made some moves but were still were at.
Report Post »ConfederateExile
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:15pmMister Cain‘s problem is that his critics are’t smart enough to figure out his plan.
Report Post »OpenRevolt
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:07amIT’S NOT 9-0-9 FOR “POOR” IT’S 3-3-3 FOR BLACKS AND MINORITIES–SEE IT FROM HIS OWN MOUTH:
http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2011/10/14/cain-blows-up-999-plan-with-empowerment-zones/
“Because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit, disproportionately, it would encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there. It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.”
He wants to redistribute the wealth to non-urban minorities and DESTROY LOCAL BUSINESSES (the #1 job creator) through RACIST-COMMIE “Empowerment Zones”.
CAIN is a LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE who LOVES ABORTION and is a longtime member of a REVERENT-WRIGHT style CHURCH with JESSE JACKSON and other “anti-American redistribute the wealth” NUTJOBS:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/18/the-liberal-church-of-herman-cain/
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Cain-Jesus-Perfect-Conservative/2011/10/18/id/414898
CAIN relies on IGNORANT MASSES just like OBAMA who refuse to look at what he actually says and does.
Report Post »OpenRevolt
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:13amhttp://www.fox59.com/news/politics/wxin-herman-cain-the-liberal-church-of-herman-cain-20111018,0,5963417.story
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:16amI agree, no one has taken the time to look into it. That has been his plan from the begining he isn’t flip flopping. He has only recently been able to explain it in depth. Give him a chance and wit until we understand the whole plan better before we pick him apart.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 1:27amYeah , who can figure it out when he changed it ? Drone…
Report Post »Mohawk1773
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:02amNot changed. You just can’t read or refuse to. Keep spinning.
See you at the finish line.
Report Post »reform
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:40amI think they can figure out what his plan is they don’t want it incorporated into our society that is the truth the big boys know that it will rebound this economy and the world so therefore they have to say it will not work how many times have we heard our politicians say this.Realistically this economy is not going to change overnight everybody knows this as Glenn said we need to take baby steps to achieve the goal of saving this country. I am in agreement with some of the things Ron Paul said with foreign aid and the likes but there has to be other actions taken what he said was good first steps. We all know how corrupt the IRS system is and you bash a man for wanting to try to help the country because in your eyes it won‘t work I guess you’s have better PhD’s in economics than he does or the people that wrote the plan for him or with him. Put your plan on the table and let‘s analyze it that’s if you guys have a plan other than just pulling our troops out bringing him home that is a good start but we can’t just leave all the bases empty and leave the country behind as we are doing now in Iraq which is between Syria and Iran.
Report Post »reform
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:03amThat’s too funny openrevolt trying to compare Mr. Cain and trying to tie him to Mr. Obama in their beliefs they are as different as a .coin which has to sides. I don’t hear people coming out of the woodwork to bash the man how many companies did he work for? And what was his success rate at these companies?I know use like to use the Godfather analysis but when taking over a business and they‘re not profitable location you move them or close them that’s called bottom line. Yes there will be people hurt and put out of a job but most of them have been private enterprises through franchise fees, I would imagine they had the option to move their company to a better location and not lose franchise I don‘t know what’s in the bylaws of their contract. Seems to me you haven’t watched any YouTube videos of Mr. Cain to understand where he stands with morality in his views in life.The question is why is he rising in the polls with no major contributors behind him could it be just be that it’s the people, I can say I haven’t been hit up with a money bomb like I have with Ron Paul four five e-mails a day, and yes I signed up with Herman Cain so you go figure to me he’s not begging and pleading for money just has a message to get to the people,like Sarah Palin did.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:01pm@MoHawk
How can you say 9-0-9 has been part of Cain’s plan all along when 2 weeks ago Cain is quoted above as saying 3-3-3 and that the plan is not completed? You are lying.
Also, how many Cain supporters would freak out if Obama came out today and said all progressive/union led cities will pay no income tax? ALL OF YOU. You would say he is playing class warfare and pandering for votes and dividing America.
Cain ain’t Able. Cain, cain’t. Cain is done!
Report Post »garyM
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:15pmAll those who are worried about 999 being changed, do you not think the system we have now can be changed? just saying!
Report Post »reform
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:36amThe system we have now is changed constantly with the regulations that are put in place so how is this any different, for me I can’t see how any backdoor deals can be done in less it is at your state-level. Boy do I sure like how they went for the death penalty tax, Got to love the Republicans for caving in on that for me I think it would be a major game changer yes some may lose some may gain a little more than what we want but overall I believe it would be fair. As it stands now at income tax time you always say well what can I write off now there’s got to be something more find me some I need something more. At least with this plan it is cut and dry here is what you would pay, the IRS says check please done deal. I really don’t know if it would end CPAs and tax accountants because most businesses and people that have money rather not do it so them people would still be employed, the people like me that are retired and receive your statements fill out the form send it in and be done with it.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:14pm“Cain’s announcement reportedly comes on the heels of a study released by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington, which concluded the 9-9-9 would increase taxes by more than 900 percent on U.S. households earning between $10,000 and $20,000 annually.”
The “nonpartisan” Tax Policy Center in Washington, Blaze? That’s a little misleading. This is a liberal group, a spin off of the Brookings Institute, the go-to for analysis for The Washington Post and NYT. They don’t believe in the idea that tax policy affects economic output so they are naturally going to discount the reduction in retail prices from the elimination of taxes imbedded on the wholesale end. By assuming that the price of goods would remain unchange (a ludicrous assumption) why wouldn’t taxes go up for people paying no income tax now?
Report Post »Mohawk1773
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:11amThis has been part of Cain’s plan all along. Yes, they are spinning or ill-informed.
Report Post »reform
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:50amThanks aisles for pointing that out that tax policy Center lot of conservative economists out there agree with the plan,but hey they did the same thing with Sarah Palin you know she’s not winnable, two far right wing she is on the fringe, question is why do they have a problem with the conservative candidate’s? So now that she‘s not running or on the ticket go after Herman Cain because he’s not winnable. Only our man Ron Paul he is one that can beat Obama don‘t you know there’s nobody else out there, and my understanding of politics is it will be a long time before we ever get a Libertarian in the White House the country is just not ready for it or may never be. Once again I don’t understand how they can allow him to be on stage with Republicans and I will state im an independent as they are two completely different parties, as I’m not happy with the Republican Party as well as the Democrats.
Report Post »florida123
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:14pmOk so Stalin and Lenin dont like Cains plan……….Who gives a shiet………..
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:20pmThe 9% national sales tax is against the 12th commandment…Thou shalt not grab hold of things you can’t let loose of
Report Post »StevoMiami
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:15pmoh come on Shilow, dont be a fool. The people have the power to make sure that if anyone tries to raise the taxes, new or old, they do what they are about to do now, elect someone to change it! Bachman and your argument that we shouldn’t make the current tax code a million times better bc it gives the govt another tax arm to eventually raise just stinks of complete envy. DO you understand that the death tax goes away? Thats a tax arm that goes away, take one arm away, add one arm, we havent added anything to the total and taken our taxes down to an almost non-existent number. Stop nit picking. Get er done!
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:29pmShylow, please tell me you don‘t seriously believe that if it didn’t go through politicians wouldn’t raise taxes either way. Please tell me that you don’t use the “what happens when it’s 90-90-90?” argument. Politicians will raise taxes eventually no matter what. This cuts out the whole tax code and just makes it harder for them to hide the fact they’re raising them.
Report Post »Blazer123
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:14pmThe more I hear the less I want Cain.
“Lets replace the income tax with nothing.”
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Islesfordian
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:21pmI wonder how Paul imagines the goverment will be funded then. What tax system will pay for the military and social security and everything else that isn’t going to be cut?
Report Post »Dictator_
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:29pm@ ISLESFORDIAN — You have seen the Paul plan, right? Mr. Paul is obviously the only true conservative, offering a plan that cuts over 1 trillion dollars, cuts multiple departments, and balances the budget. No other “conservative” has offered a plan as fiscally responsible as this. The other candidates really need to follow his example.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:37pmPaul has said the government makes enough revenue off other things that if we would freeze spending at 2001 levels, we could balance the budget without any income tax. This isn’t his plan but it is what he would work towards.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:18pmApparently the income tax is only 1/3 of the total revenue. That was a surprise to me.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:21pmOur deficit next year is 1.1T Income tax revenue is 1.5T If we cut out that revenue wouldn’t Paul have to cut the budget by more than 2.5T to balance the budget? Out of 6.2T Budget that seems a huge cut, over 35% I don’t think that is possible.
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:33pmPaul‘s plan doesn’t cut income tax the first year. He cuts the $T the first year. The purpose of my mentioning that the income tax is 1/3 the revenue as to show there is a bigger portion of revenue that is available to run the government after it is trimmed down. Cutting the income tax isn’t in his plan. It is what he wants to work towards.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 2:42amCain reiterated a previous comment in opposition to the Occupy Wall Street protests; “Don’t blame Wall Street, don’t blame the big banks. If you don’t have a job, and you’re not rich, blame yourself.”
Congressman Ron Paul, on the other hand, seemed willing to grant the Occupy Wall Street protesters the special status coveted by every liberal entitlement-seeker — that of being a “victim” of some oppressor, when he said, “Well, I think Mr. Cain has blamed the victims. There’s a lot of people that are victims of this business cycle. We can’t blame the victims.”
Report Post »reform
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:24amFox that‘s the problem with you Ron Paul’s supporters the 999 plan would require a constitutional amendment to be enacted do you not get it it can’t be done by executive order in it will be just like any amendment a huge order to overtake and implement oh I get it end the Fed and all the problems of the world will go away like fairy dust yes I like to see ended also but right now that reality is not there they will be not willing to give up their power even with an audit. You do know the trickery that they use once they allow their books to be seen will them be the real numbers I think not. The question is why did they all come out after he announced his plan and now they all have a plan of their own why were they not first. Poll numbers I assume no way that could not be the reason. for me I like somebody that’s speaks to me not at me, that‘s just my take on the rest of the candidates it’s like I was back in high school and they were teaching me my 10th grade course you know what’s best for me because they said so.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:13pmHe did it again!!! He backpeddled because the heat got to him!!! Herman stick up for your beliefs! At least he has a simple plan! Where is Obama’s plan? Oh yes, that’s right, it’s being dismantled!!! Please Lord Save Us!!
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:23pmAhhh The hourly Herman Cain report. Can we get an article on what this guy had for dinner next?
I wonder what he is paying theBlaze for all this promotion.
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:17amFella… you are TOOO FUNNNNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »garyM
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:11pmendgamer if you think anyone can pay back the money Obama has wasted without a great deal of sacrifice from everyone in America, you better go back and take another math course. Hey I wished the useful idiots hadn’t ever gave Obama the power to plunder but they did. The only way we can ever come out of this is for every family to change their financial lifestyle. I’m just facing the facts. I had rather not face them either but the alternative is much worse!
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:10pmThe problem with the left is that if this were a 9-0-1 plan, they would still attack him for being unfair to the poor. They wont be happy until it’s 99-9-(minus10).
Report Post »Jeff65
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:23pmToo much focus on the tax system when spending is the problem.
Cut $1T and remove 5 useless government departments, some that have a large focus on giving corporate welfare. Repeal the worst regulations immediately. Put a line through the $1.5T loan to the FED.
Report Post »MaxineH20Sux
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:09pmOh boy, I am not sure about this. It will help those on ss and the poor, but don’t we already have that? Why would the poor still want to work after this?
I was a supporter, but I am swaying towards Newt now….
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:19amAhhhh… I predict Newt will be the next flavor of the MSM!!!
Report Post »cloudedpoliticalviews
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:08pmWhy can there not be a politician out there who stays fixed in their ways? Oh, wait, that is asking for too much. Then again, there is always Ron Paul…
9-9-9 was just fine the way it was advertised. The fact is that catering to those in poverty by eliminating a tax obligation is simply contributing to their already significant dependence on government assistance.
For a minute there, I was actually thinking that he would be a straight line thinker. I guess I was wrong. Then again, I would rather have him running than Romney or Perry. How much worse off can our economy be than it has over the past 10 years: particularly the past 4 years? I certainly hope that – should a Republican be elected as president – we don’t find out.
I have a strong feeling that there will be a filabuster-proof majority in favor of republicans in Congress come the beginning of 2013. That said, here’s hoping that the right Republicans are in place to turn America in the right direction rather than adopt and accelerate the progressive agenda that has been in place for the better part of the last century.
Report Post »CrazyDanMan
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:19pmWhat income would someone below the poverty line be taxed on exactly? I would rather see the 9% tax be only on capital goods. That way life essentials like food would not increase. At the same time someone who is on the dole would still pay taxes on that 52 inch flat screen they have to have to survive.
Report Post »garyM
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:05pmI‘m really amused at some of the political commentators who say Herman shouldn’t be tweaking his 999 plan and the crackerheads pumping up a flip-flopper like Romney in the next sentence!
Report Post »CrazyDanMan
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:11pmI’m more amused at the people that say a 9% income tax and a 9% sales tax is an 18% tax.
Cain unfortunately has no chance at making this happen. It’s a good dream but we will get our candidate (Romney) handed to us and we will plug our noses and vote for him just like McCain.
Report Post »cloudedpoliticalviews
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:12pmEven though it may be on a significantly smaller scale than Romney, it’s flip-flopping nevertheless. The problem is that Romney is more of a household name than Cain is. Couple that with the fact that Romney probably has much more financial backing than Cain. While Cain is not as bad as Romney, he is not well-known enough to be given a mulligan for flip-flopping. That is the hypocrisy of politics today, and precisely what people need to get away from.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:13pmHe hasn’t flip flopped at all… While term 9-0-9 wasn’t said on his site, exactly how he explained it has always been there, he is just clarifying it and his economic advisor was on Church or Wilkow this afternoon also explaining it.
At the end of the day business operating costs will drop, prices will drop, cost of living will drop and people will have more money and companies will able to expand and hire more.
He’s the only candidate to actually put a fully disclosed plan on the table vs the others who just say catch phrases but have no specifics
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:21pmWell if you are low income, and your rent is paid by the government, lights paid by government, food paid by government, you spend most of your pay on things that would be taxed, it could be very close to 18%.
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:43am@capitalismrocks – sorry, prices will NOT go down. There is just no way to guarantee that. Also most products go through 4 or 5 different hands along the way, each time garnering a 9% tax. This means the same product will be taxed multiple times. Cain’s tax acts like a VAT and there is no way any sane person wants a VAT – unless they live in Europe.
Report Post »nationalcalvin
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:06pm@KTSAYZ
No, you’re wrong business to business transactions are tax free
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:05pmThis isn’t new, for those who have been paying attention to his plan. Let’s hope he can explain it better than he is his position on abortion, because he is getting WORSE on that subject. Someone needs to talk to him.
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:01amIsn’t this so dang troubling? Why, oh why isn’t there someone who at least comes close to filling the bill?
When I heard the audio of Cain trying to explain his abortion stance on the radio, my spirit sunk. I thought, ‘Really? It’s not that difficult!’.
And I‘ll admit that I hadn’t gone to his website to read the details about his 9-9-9 plan. Now that I find out that even he thinks that some Americans should be exempt from the middle -9-, I want to throw up my hands, turn my back and walk away from all of this.
Everyone needs to pay. Everyone needs a vested interest.
People at or below the poverty level can afford tvs, cell phones, air conditioning, dvd players, etc., they can afford to pitch in for the roads, public schools, defense…
Report Post »reform
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:19amIslesfordian the subject of abortion always catches everybody off guard he is not the first,but from listening to him on YouTube about the subject matter I do believe he is a Christian and will stand for Christian values and put God back into our schools and public places sorry atheists but I stand by God’s word and you can see when you take God out of the country what path that leads us to. By no means am I saying you should give up your atheist belief only our Lord can change your heart that’s not up to me I can try I can show you the path but if that path is not yours so be it. The thing that bothers me is I‘m told that I can’t express my faith by what one percent of the population how do you overrule us, as you can see with no morals and values in life what it leads to total decay of a society.
Report Post »tharpdevenport
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:03pmThis is becoming a HUGE debacle — Cain needs to drop it before it takes him down the path of forgotten 2012 candidates.
Now a tax for rich, now a tax for poor, adjustments for different aspects of the industry and business — it‘s turning into another huge Federal buracrecy that’ll be needed to run it; what shall we call this new buracrecy? The I.R.S. will be gone. How about the C[ain].R.S.?
And leaving it there for future Congresses which aren’t bound to keep it at the rates he would set? That’s a huge mistake. We’ve already seen in the Clinton and Obama administrations Congress will flip off the American people and do what ever they want. There was an expect on the radio in such issues who said historically, such plans only go up — they never stay as they were meant. And future Congresses can alter the rules, too. Cain could seriously mess us up. Cain — if it comes down to yu and Romney, you’re gonna get my vote, but STOP DOING THIS 9-9-9/9-0-9 CRAP!
Report Post »joedoet
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:03pmWOW a flip flop!
Report Post »honor007
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:59pmI want to know why Trumpka and Hoffa are not looking into our JOBS and 1/2 BILLION goint to Finland. Period.
Report Post »yetibunker
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:58pmi would take it a step further, anyone who earns tips doesn’t have to pay tax on those tips. instant awesome waitress service!
Report Post »endgamer
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:57pmHe still worked for The Federal Reserve… I don’t trust him. The Current Tax system is illegal and the 16th Amendment was NEVER ratified. His 999 tax plan will add s second direct unapportioned Sales tax on top of the income tax. Neither are constitutional.
Report Post »CottonMPG
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:53pmWell, I don’t even know how to respond to this. I think it could hurt him. I wish he’d just go fair tax.
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:52pmHe isnt a politician. You know where he stands.
Report Post »Crakaveli
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:17pmhe’s been trying to be a politician since 2000. he was a federal reserve branch chairman. he and romney are battling for the flip flopper title.
how do we know where he stands?
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:49pmMr. Herman Cain’s “opportunity zones” provide an opportunity for AMERICANS to go back to work for themselves rather than for the “Uncle Tom” labor unions who have kept people of all races in slavery and bondage for the last 80 + years!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:56pmThe whole idea of Labor Unions… was to keep people out… not to make all equal!!!
Report Post »reform
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:08amLabor unions file lock step in with HOA’s, same communist belief with HOA’s live the way we tell you to live, and labor unions work when we tell you only to work, you see they been working on this for a long time. And grandma once they pass that opportunity zone I do believe that they fall in with the rest of us and the tax structure, at least I think that‘s the way his plan works from what I’ve read. Being retired from a union and sitting on a committee dealing with the food counsel which represented the other side of the table I learned how the parties work and it’s not pretty, they always use the terms compromise, compromise for who the corporations and the head of the unions,oh yes we did get something out of it pocket change.
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:47pmWHO CARES what those crooks Trumka and Hoffa think? Why are they even mentioned???
Report Post »dread_pirate_roberts
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:46pmPresident H Cain, I like the sound of that. Not a community agitater, a man who worked his way up and can still relate to normal “American’s”, not the DC elites
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:49pmHow about a 2-2-2 plan.
Everyone can afford a couple cents.
Report Post »dread_pirate_roberts
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:01pmI can dig that, specially compared to what I have been paying.
Everyone should have “skin in the game”, if you pay no taxes, why should you have any say in the elections?
I’m gonna vote for the guy/gal that gives me the most “free” stuff……….WELL GUESS WHAT CHILDREN OF THE WALL STREET CAMPOUT/BAR B QUE/ORGY/******’ CONTEST, AIN’T NUTHIN FREE!!! Somebody, namely myself and those who do pay their taxes to the Federal Organized Crime Unit or FOCU otherwise known as the IRS, Pay for your “FREE” stuff.
Report Post »Crakaveli
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:19pm“Not a community agitater, a man who worked his way up and can still relate to normal “American’s”, not the DC elites.”
that’s all the qualification needed to be president?
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:21pmI wish he would just stick to everyone all the same, no exceptions. He had my vote there. Continual poverty in America is a choice. Anyone can have a hard hit and need a helping hand, but people who are continually in poverty are there due to their own choices. I did a paper on this in college. A two parent family, making the minumum wage (which most people outside of high school do not make), working full time, can have up to 4 children and be above the poverty line. If mom stays home and dad gets a job full time he only needs to make $16 per hour to be above the poverty line. People below the poverty line are single parent homes and those who do not work 40 hours per week. These are choices. I think we should help people stricken by illness or truly disabled or families who loose a spouse, but to continue to support peoples choices only creates an insentive to continue to make poor ones. I also wrote a paper on how people who borrow money to go to college are worse off financially in 10 years, than those who do not go at all, 8 out of 10 times. Choices people, choices.
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