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Herman Cain: Many Muslims Want to ‘Kill’ or ‘Convert all Infidels’

Potential Republican presidential contender Herman Cain is known for his straight-talking style and willingness to discuss issues other politicians dare not touch. In his latest interview with Christianity Today, the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO opened up about his faith, his calling in life and his aspirations for political office. Herman Cain: Many Muslims Want to ‘Kill’ or ‘Convert all Infidels’

In blunt terms, Cain, a Christian, made no bones about his thoughts on the role of Muslims in modern American society and called on moderate Muslims to take up peaceful leadership roles:

The role of Muslims in American society is for them to be allowed to practice their religion freely, which is part of our First Amendment. The role of Muslims in America is not to convert the rest of us to the Muslim religion. That I resent. Because we are a Judeo-Christian nation, from the fact that 85 percent of us are self-described Christians, or evangelicals, or practicing the Jewish faith. Eighty-five percent. One percent of the practicing religious believers in this country are Muslim.

And so I push back and reject them trying to convert the rest of us. And based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them. Now, I know that there are some peaceful Muslims who don’t go around preaching or practicing that. Well, unfortunately, we can‘t sit back and tolerate the radical ones simply because we know that there are some of them who don’t believe in that aspect of the Muslim religion. So their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely, just like we should be allowed to practice our religion freely, and not try to convert the rest of us.

Also, linking faith to civil society, Cain decried what he calls a “moral crisis” facing America today.  “The moral crisis is going to have to be solved in our families, our communities and in our various religious institutions,” he said.  “Christians, evangelicals, Jews, believers of all types when it comes to biblically-based religions, are going to have to step up more, and push back more, and not allow our Christian beliefs to be intimidated. If we do, we are going to go the way of some other countries [that] lost their Judeo-Christian identity. I do not want us, as a nation, to lose our Judeo-Christian identity, even though we will tolerate any legitimate religion to basically exist in this country. That is how the founders intended it, and that’s how I believe that we ought to keep it.”

The former businessman is expected to decide within the next six weeks whether the next stage of his life will involve a bid for the White House.  God will be the deciding factor in that decision, Cain, a licensed reverend, admitted.

“God didn’t keep me here to go play golf, and relax, and take life easy,” he said, referring to his against-the-odds battle back against stage-4 cancer.  “I believe that my life was spared because God had something really big that he wanted me to do. And that’s unfolding.”

Cain also admitted that the though of running for president is something he’s only considered recently.  “It was only about nine or ten months ago that, as I watched the first year of the Obama administration, as I watched failing policies, as I watched broken promises, as I watched and read about 15 million people staying unemployed, I couldn’t sit back when I had collected some common sense ideas.”

In the end, it might be Cain’s drive and determination to better America that pushes him into the political arena.

“I cannot sit still and watch the direction of this country towards radical socialism and not do what I can do,” he said.  “Is there somebody else who might be better at being President of the United States than Herman Cain? There might be.  But the people are going to determine that. But I couldn’t sit back and hope that a great leader emerges, or hope that someone becomes President that would tackle the issues the way I would tackle them.”

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  • BRAVEHEART
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:54pm

    There‘s a difference between TOLERANCE AND SUBVERSION when someone uses religion to subvert my country’s laws and liberties TOLERANCE is no longer available. Islam should not be tolerated by Americans!

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  • chips1
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:52pm

    Each and every time a quote shows up on this forum, the posts are in favor of making them President. What I hope is that whom ever we decide to vote for, the elected person surrounds himself with the people that represent the ideals handed down by our fore-fathers. Oust the marxists that Obummer has gathered around his terriorist friends.

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  • tiredofprogressives
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:48pm

    Finally A Man who has the courage to speak the truth.

    If muslims remain silent than what are we to think? They sit back in this country and live off the fruits of their labor but don’t say anything to condemn their fellow muslims. Cowards.

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    • dmgs
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 3:54am

      Can you say “Trojan Horse”?

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  • Hickory
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:43pm

    Mr. Cain has the same concerns the rest of us Tea Partiers have. We are not just concerned but we are alarmed at the direction this nation is pulled. We need to insure that we have bona fide conservatives as our standard bearers in the next election. No more of these mealy mouthed RINOs can be placed in the position we let McCain in last time. People like Mr. Cain know the difference between a patriot and a politician. Our founders were patriots, our problems are politicians. It is in our interest to support people like Mr. Cain, he has a mission, Sarah Palin has a mission, Col. West has a mission, Gov. Christie has a mission, Gov. Walker has a mission, Rep. Rubio has a mission. Their mission is ours. Support them.

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  • Josh
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:42pm

    If Mr. Cain were to run for President, I’d vote for him in a heartbeat. And I’m pretty sure a lot of people near where I live would too (I live in central Alabama). Most of the folks I know don’t care about a persons color or gender or ethnicity. What we do care about, is whether someone tells us the truth or not. That is the biggest reason I dislike our current President. He does his absolute best to dupe people into following his line of thinking, and when he cant get his way, he starts to whine about it like a preteen who has been grounded right before a big party.

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    • APatriotFirst
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:52pm

      If we all like Cain, is it not time to do more than just talk about it?

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  • dwelliver696
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:29pm

    I might not have a problem with them trying to convert people if they themselves allowed other religions to convert people in their countries… but they don’t. Try to talk about Christianity in Saudi Arabia.

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  • geonj
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:26pm

    thank God, a sane man.

    KORAN commands to kill infidels:

    Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. – Sura 2:98

    On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. – Sura 2:161

    Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

    Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

    Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
    (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

    ….. martyrs…. Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

    If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. – 3:157-8

    You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. – Surah 3:169-71

    Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. – Surah 4:74

    Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. – 4:76

    But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

    Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. – 5:14

    O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

    Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme – 8:39

    O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

    It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

    Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

    When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

    Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. – 9:28

    Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

    Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. – 9:41

    O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. – 9:73

    Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. – 9:111

    Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
    Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers….

    As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. – 10:4-15

    Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. – 33:60

    Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. – 41:14

    When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. – 47:4
    (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

    Those who are slain in the way of Allah – he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. – 47:5

    Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. – 48:25

    Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. – 48:29

    Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. – 66:9

    The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. – 98:51

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    • Josh
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:37pm

      And people call Islam the religion of Peace! XD

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  • Sinista MACE
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:22pm

    Oh you sad little neocons, we already know that you’re scared to death of Ron Paul, and you will promote ANYBODY except Ron Paul.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:03pm

      Is Ron Paul running?

      Are you taking your meds? Be honest now. This is you dog talking.

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    • quicker
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:10pm

      Ron Paul has some good ideas,However then he opens his mouth and says something stupped like mall cops are better than marines.Besides my wife says she didn`t like him as a doctor why would Ilike him as apolatision

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    • Steverino
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:27pm

      SINISTA-
      Sinista, sinista.
      Here is what I see to be the “sad” fact:
      NOBODY is scared to death of Ron Paul. Nobody. In the country, or the world.
      I agree with a lot of his philosophies, but, really – isn’t he kind of the “Kooky Uncle” that comes up from the basement, and every once in a while says something that makes you cringe? Maybe not you, but me, yes. Just my 2 cents.
      I know you love the guy, and I mean no disrespect. Truly.
      Steve

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    • Sinista MACE
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:37pm

      Look! The neocons responded!

      I don‘t care if the republican neocons don’t nominate Ron Paul, I’m writing him in.

      This man, Herman Lame, is the one who said the Federal Reserve doesn’t need to be audited, and then flip-flopped and “thanked” Ron Paul for his efforts to audit the private bank, after he had already gained steam in auditing the private bank, and after he got his chairmanship on the Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy, a bully pulpit from which Ron Paul is GOING TO institute a FULL AUDIT of the Non- Federal Reserve, and is going to subpoena who he needs to.

      Now call me all the crazy names you want. Your insults are like so much drizzle against a lighthouse.

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    • Sinista MACE
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:39pm

      You can try to make Ron Paul out to be “kooky” or whatever you want. That’s all within your feeble little mind. I know people with small brain capacity have a problem with their eyes glazing over whenever anybody like Ron Paul says something that makes sense.

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  • Bill Wallace
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:11pm

    Do his statements qualify for the “Totally Obvious” quote of the day?

    You would have to be a brick not to realize that for some muslims, it is convert or be killed. You don’t need to read the Koran (which discusses such a move, and for rare instances that the unbeliever is allowed to live they are to be ‘taxed’ heavily)…you don’t need to look at the history of Mohammad…

    All you need to do is look at Indonesia/Iraq/Iran/Saudi Arabia/Gaza…to figure it out.

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  • miles from nowhere
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:10pm

    By golly he has got it, now we only have to see if the 40% that is democrat get it. Democrats that only vote democrat are the ones with a very low learning curve.

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  • Think4yourself
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:07pm

    I hope your link stays up longer than mine ever do! The blaze likes to remove any posts with a link attached.
    http://www.unsalvageable.org

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:10pm

      even when there are no links , like 2 mins ago

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    • Think4yourself
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:31pm

      Cheezwhiz- When I posted that, someone had a posting with a link attached…I guess that proved my point.

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  • TumbleBumble
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:02pm

    “Christians, evangelicals, Jews, believers of all types when it comes to biblically-based religions, are going to have to step up more, and push back more, and not allow our Christian beliefs to be intimidated.”

    Thank you, Mr. Cain, for saying so. I have been telling my Christian friends and family the same thing for quite a few years now. For the most part, the response I get is that they will pray and let God handle the rest. I tell them that you cannot pray for something then be unwilling to help see it to fruition.

    I love how things seem to be coming together for the good people of this country.

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  • PIL
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:01pm

    Well, I’d like to be optimistic but every time a politician is honest, real, and authentic, the American people seem to turn away from him. Look at what happened to Tancredo? How the hell did McCain win the nomination when Tancredo was the real deal? I wish Mr. Cain all the luck, America needs people like him.

    OBAMA LOSES THE LEFT.
    http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/03/obama-loses-left.html

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    • constitutionaldirective
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:06pm

      Herman is NOT a politician.. he is a freedom-loving American, with a business background.. regardless of what the statists are going to tell you, a damn good one..
      He has a full grasp of the concept of American Exceptionalism, in direct contrast of the current administration..
      I concur with another poster here.. West/Cain, Cain/West either ticket will do!

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    • mrclean
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:24pm

      Cain is not a politician. That iimmediately sets him apart.

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  • clockwatcher
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:00pm

    What is the issue, he his only telling us the truth. Does the left have to distroy this man for just stating the facts

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    • Futureorthopod2013
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 3:39am

      LOL…nope I’m a moderate well-educated black male and I definitely do NOT think this guy is an Uncle Tom. People are free to believe whatever they want regardless of race.

      Anyways…this guy is drinking the LSD laced Kool-Aid with the rest of you bumpkins. I’m even mad at some democrats for believing Obama when he promised to fix major issues during his first term. THAT’S NOT HOW POLITICS WORKS. In fact, it is illogical to think it will take LESS time to rectify an issue that took a very long time to develop.

      This guy is feeding you all lies.

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  • Islesfordian
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:59pm

    No one should have any problem with them trying to convert everyone. everyone who believes in a universal truth should be about that. It’s the killing part that we really need to focus on. That element is really a key to WHY one should not convert to Islam and why we should push back against it.

    But the only way to effectively push back against a drive to convert our civilization is for us to BELIEVE something greater than Islam. Atheistic materialism doesn’t cut it. Nor does a patina of nominal Christianity over hedoniostic consumerism. The Christian faith birthed our modern civilization. It will have to RE-birth it.

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    • TumbleBumble
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:10pm

      Isles ~

      “No one should have any problem with them trying to convert everyone. everyone who believes in a universal truth should be about that.” I thought the same thing. We are told by Jesus to ‘go and make disciples of all nations.’ That is the Great Commission. See Matthew 28:18-20.

      I don’t hold trying to convert people to Islam against them. Not if they believe they are divinely instructed to do so. As long as I can politely decline and be left unharmed.

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    • Steverino
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:12pm

      ISLES and TUMBLE-
      Both very well put statements.
      I personally don’t care what you CHOOSE as your religion. BUT we all must aspire beyond the earthly temptations and transgressions.
      Money is NOT the root of all evil. It is the LOVE of money that has, and will continue to destroy people and civilizations until the end.
      Steve

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  • Flown Over Too Long
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:58pm

    Herman – you da’ Man…..ever since your CPAC speech you have neen clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the pack (why did not CPAC hold its poll AFTER you spoke? Are they beltway weenies too?)

    At any rate, Herman is what this country really needs – and he will tell us what we nmeed to hear…..and the Media will have to cover him and report his words of truth!!

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  • Spreadthenewz
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:58pm

    I have posted twice about Cain. He is who he says he is and is definitely a great candidate for office. He will be the one, if elected, that can help turn the country back to our foundation. God Bless Herman Cain!

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  • Bullcop34
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:56pm

    Cain/West, West/ Cain

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  • rogerover12
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:55pm

    Herman Cain for President. He is a REAL BLACK AMERICAN, PRIVATE BUSINESS EXPERIENCE, OWNED CLINTON IN A TOWN HALL ON BUSINESS AND TAXES, DOES NOT CHANGE HIS DIALECT FOR THE RIGHT CROWD, VERY INTELLIGENT AND MOST OF ALL WOULD CONFUSE THE RACE PIMPS.

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  • Sinista MACE
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:55pm

    Most Americans weren‘t thinking what he was thinking when he said the Federal Reserve doesn’t need to be audited, and that if we wanted to know what they do with our money, that we ought to call them and ask them..

    Federal Reserve Protectionist. Globalist scum.

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:53pm

    i wish we had more politicians not afraid of calling it like it is

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    • Showtime
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:03pm

      I wish we had fewer Communists in the White House.

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:51pm

    he at least speaks the truth. straight forward,honest and open. we need more like him,then and only then will we see real change in america.

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  • 82dAirborne
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:51pm

    Straight talk from a politician??? He actually said what most Americans are thinking!!

    These are dangerous times. Political Correctness has to go. I vow to remove it from every aspect of my life.

    Anyone want to join me??

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    • commonsenseguy
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:54pm

      already have along time ago. i don’t sugar coat anything, sometimes i stick my foot in my mouth, but,i have also learned to enjoy it to.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:06pm

      82nd Airborne

      Same here, I have given up long ago attempting to sugar coat anything; there is too much work to be done yet, and God willing there is enough time and folks to get it done. The time of truth is here to be shown in all its light, even when and where it will hurt.

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    • Liberty7
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:39pm

      I, too, rejected PC many years ago when I truly stopped caring if people liked me or not. PC and multi-culturalism will be the ruination of western civilization if enough of us don’t stand up and not only say NO, but HELL NO!

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    • Gas137
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:44pm

      HC would make a good vice president and would add to any Republican ticket. What about Palin/Cain?

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    • Tnredneck
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:51pm

      Count me in. In fact glen beck is talking about it now!

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    • Showtime
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:00pm

      Sign me up (even though I have French ancestry).

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    • Non-sequitur
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:10pm

      “He actually said what most Americans are thinking!!”

      He actually said what Amercians want him to say! It’s almost as if he wants to be elected!

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    • mrclean
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:20pm

      Herman Cain is no politician! This is good news! IF he becomes our candidate AND if he’s dedicated to the truth, boy does he have an uphill battle. Put on the armor Herman! We are behind him, beside him, and in front of him with encouragement and prayer knowing all things are possible with God.

      Come to think of it, he’d be perhaps only the second “honest” non-politician president, marching in the footsteps of George Washington. Can it be can it be….

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:22pm

      NON-SEQUITUR……are you suggesting that liberal politicians do the same thing? Surely you would not be hypocritical enough to suggest that only one side makes comments simply to get elected regardless if they believe them or not. Or perhaps you are suggesting that no one could actually believe what they say who runs for office. I for one believe Barry O believes what he says. I suppose you don’t from your post.

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    • Oil_Robb
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:35pm

      Im in buddy…………PC is Lying

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:48pm

      The Muslums being here in the United States or the radical ones anyway reminds me of a story of long ago, a lady picked up a rattlesnake that was nearly froze,she brought it into her home,later the snake thawed out good and she reached down to pet it and it bit her,she screamed“ohh no snake your bite will surley kill me” the snake then replied “you knew i was a snake when you brought me in”

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    • TheGiantIsAwake2010
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 8:36pm

      I’m with you, political correctness-code for destruction. I’ve had it with political correctness shutting up the truth.

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    • seemsew
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 8:54pm

      I’m with you 82!! This PC stuff make me crazy. I do not have time for it, and wish all would wake up and deal with truth, common sense, and facts instead of flowers and “what ifs”. Herman Cain says it well.

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    • barbaraw62
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:08pm

      I am tired of the “smooth” talking politicians… HC is a straight talker… and I join in the chorus of NO MORE PC!

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    • CatB
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:17pm

      I rejected it from the time it started .. I want the TRUTH … let the “chips” fall where they may.

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  • LadyIzShy
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:51pm

    I agree with him..

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:27pm

      Totally agree with Herman…Herman/West 2012!!

      IF not US, who? IFnot now, WHEN? We are all called to protect this nation UNDER GOD from destruction by enemies internal or external.

      Join me on Freedom Connector… Herman Cain for President, 2012!! group and 100 Million Patriots Standing group….

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  • moonfish
    Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:50pm

    The truth has no agenda…

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:57pm

      OMG did he just said the truth ??????
      How dare he ?
      Where are the lib pro loons ?

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    • Think4yourself
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:01pm

      The MSM will love this. They will report how he is full of hate and intolerance. They should report that he says what most are thinking, but we know that won’t happen.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:04pm

      He is right in that America is in part founded upon the tolerance of religious freedom, yet we also have seen conclusivly in Europe and many other nations the Multi Culturalism junk has failed to the complete and utter madness it is becoming here in America.

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:06pm

      Think4yourself
      The MSM will love this. They will report how he is full of hate and intolerance.
      —————
      So the MFMedia will fall back on their 2 terms for patriotic Americans :
      Racists
      Bigots
      I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:08pm

      And the truth shall set you free. Tell it like it is, Herman.

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    • TexasProgressive
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:09pm

      Its true, many muslims want to take over the world. It is also true there are man Christians that currently want to take over the world.

       
    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:14pm

      TexasProgressive
      Its true, many muslims want to take over the world. It is also true there are man Christians that currently want to take over the world.
      ———–
      Who would you rather live under
      Islamic rule
      or
      Christian rule ?

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:18pm

      It sure is refreshing, to hear someone that has the guts to stand up and speak the truth. Politically correct speech be dammed, it’s time to be honest, that Muslims at their core, hate people of other faiths, especially Christians and Jews. If you are a member of these groups, they are working for the day that you will either be forcibly converted or slaughtered. Islam is a religion of hate, murder and peversion, and it’s time to stand up and destroy it, and the people that support it, before we ourselves are destroyed.

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    • YouGottaProblemWithThat
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:20pm

      I like this man. Maybe he’s the one……our next president. So far so good!

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    • lovenfl3
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:25pm

      Herman Cain rocks! Right now he is my number one candidate. Imagine what a refreshing change it would be to have an honest President. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4X2RDvw5E

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    • Suzanne912
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:43pm

      That’s Herman Cain…says it like it is! A man with passion in what he believes and isnt afraid to express it. Herman Cain 2012!

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    • Showtime
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:02pm

      Moral crisis? Hellerrrr?!
      Might the Leftists and Progressives have anything to do with this? How about the Obama administration and his Sex Czar for Schools?

      I am so ready for this world to end. Maybe it will take the Progressives out, too!

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    • SlimnRanger
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:06pm

      Mr. Cain has more intellegence in his big toe than Obama does all total,I am really liking this man more and more as well as Allen West

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:08pm

      TexasProgressive Let’s see, good people vs. bad people ruling, I wonder which you would pick? Are you really that stupid? Rhetorical question….

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    • Rogue
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:12pm

      Cain/West 2012! Or West/Cain, I don’t really care. I respect and admire both of these military men imensely, and am confident, even if they aren’t completely ready for all aspects of leading our great nation, they certainly would surround themselves with a trustworthy team of advisors.

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    • Herman_Cain
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:13pm

      Well some of the Republican Elite like Huckabee and Palin want to give more Muslims a new pathway to citizenship or residency.
      Herman Cain says no new pathways. Enforce the law we have.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:19pm

      8 Whenever I speak, I cry out
      proclaiming violence and destruction.
      So the word of the LORD has brought me
      insult and reproach all day long.

      ———Jeremiah (the prophet that tried to warn Israel of the coming persecution and discipline from a foreign opposition).

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    • SavingtheRepublic.com
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:21pm

      Cain better run for the WH who else am I gonna vote for in ‘12!

      Radical muslims trying to convert Americans into islam as they insist on forcing themselves onto us. Yes there are ones who are good and just want to practice their religion thats fine. Go ahead go pray to allah all you want just leave me alone and if you think your silence on the acts of radicals is okay with Americans you are wrong. In fact the muslim community being silent on radicalism is in fact condoning it all!

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    • Oil_Robb
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:33pm

      A great Man……Herman

      go on youtube and search…. Dr. Manning…….Another great Black man maybe theres hope yet

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    • robin.kevin
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:38pm

      I like him. If we could just get him and West to run together we would be headed in the right direction.

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    • lovenfl3
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:42pm

      @Herman_Cain – Ok, I’m with you on Huckabee, but Palin is now an elite? Nobody is further from being an elite in the Republican party than she is. I also must have missed where she is in favor of a path to citizenship for Muslims. I think it’s quite the opposite. I am a big fan of Herman Cain, but let’s not distort the facts. Just saying.

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    • Showtime
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:50pm

      @TexasProgressive
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:09pm
      Its true, many muslims want to take over the world. It is also true there are man Christians that currently want to take over the world.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      But the Christians who want to take over the world are not citizens of the United States of America.

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    • MODEL82A1
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:03pm

      Well, that should about do it for Herman’s Presidential aspirations.

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    • Herman_Cain
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:11pm

      @lovenfl Better word is celebrity for Palin. She often gives the speech on Fox that she wants to give illegals the American dream. She says on Fox that she agrees with McCain on immigration.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:11pm

      HERMAN_CAIN
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 6:13pm
      Well some of the Republican Elite like Huckabee and Palin want to give more Muslims a new pathway to citizenship or residency.
      Herman Cain says no new pathways. Enforce the law we have.
      __________________________________________________
      Where & when did you ever heard Palin or Huckabee wants to give muslims citizenship ??? last night you said same thing about Mexicans now you’re saying muslims , you need to get off the bottle & stop with your lies .

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    • Herman_Cain
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:24pm

      @RobertCA
      Get your head out of your posterior!
      Palin says, “We won’t complicate it any more. Let’s keep it simple and let’s say, ‘No, if you are here illegally and you don’t follow the steps that at some point through immigration reform we’re going to be able to provide, and that is to somehow allow you to work.”
      She says “it’s not fair to the illegal aliens, either, here. They want to come pursue an American dream. Some of them do want to be here to work. But they’re forever going to have to hide because, you know, government’s going to crack down on them”
      Cain says no to new “reform.” No new pathways to work and get citizenship.

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    • encinom
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:25pm

      cheezwhiz
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 5:14pm
      TexasProgressive
      Its true, many muslims want to take over the world. It is also true there are man Christians that currently want to take over the world.
      ———–
      Who would you rather live under
      Islamic rule
      or
      Christian rule ?
      _______________________________________

      Reading the comments here, there seems to be little difference between the Taleban and the Tea-******, (I think maybe the Taleban is more educated).

       
    • tompaineknowsthescore
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:49pm

      im pretty sure the bible instructs people to convert others, and Islam is an abrahamic faith just like judaism and christianity do see why he needs to exclude muslims

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:52pm

      Encicom > There you go pretending to be able to read again…
      TexasaProgressive > there are currently exactly ZERO credible Christians in the world who are trying to take over the world for Christ, and even fewer who have the power of a state at their command. There are credible Muslim rulers who are actively seeking to rule the world in the name of Allah. Compare apples to apples, oranges to oranges in order to stay logical.

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    • VegasGuy
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 7:54pm

      Is it me or are Herman Cain and Col. West the only two potential presidential candidates the only ones who are capable of growing a pair?

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 8:17pm

      @ HERMAN_CAIN

      Solving the problem of 20 million illegals has nothing to do with what you said that “Sarah Palin wants to give citizenship to muslims” .
      Sarah Palin was the only one in the last presidential race who talked about border security which all of the other candidates including McCain were avoiding to talk about it .
      & I don‘t want you to think that I’m a supporter of Palin & Huckabee .
      I could support Cain but I didn’t decide yet .

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    • dealer@678
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 8:43pm

      Hey Democrats. If its a black man you want this is the guy. I’ll vote for him too

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 8:49pm

      @encinom
      No. You don’t “think.” You are either a troll or a complete idiot. If you take a short break from the leftist Kool-Aid you will see your comment has no basis in fact – or fiction for that matter. If you actually believe your own drivel you should book the quickest passage available to Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Angola, etc.

      You might have noticed I have given up the pretense of trying to be PC. The truth is the truth. I welcome your posts here & elsewhere because in your own words, by your own hand you prove the stupidity and ignorance of your position.

      I call myself a member of the Teaparty – that’s ********* to your itty bitty mind. It’s a pity you are so scared & ultimately ineffectual. This country is going back to the Constitution and the founding principles. Whine all you like. You can’t stop it.

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:02pm

      encinom – coward, you’d be the first to run and cry to your mommy.

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    • jzs
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:11pm

      Cain says, “The role of Muslims in America is not to convert the rest of us to the Muslim religion. That I resent.” Resents why? Does it violate the First Amendment? Is it immoral?

      As I understand the Christian religion, it is the role of Christians to convert others to Christianity. That’s the history of the Christian religion and every religion in fact, to go and convert others to your religion and your path to peace and salvation.

      You guys agreeing with Cain must be afraid that Christianity has less appeal to Americans than the Islam. You’re afraid, and want to stigmatize those who proselytize in the name of Islam, while you support the same from Christians.

      You must have very little faith in the Christian religion if you think some other religion is going to come along and replace it in America. If that were to start to happen (and it won’t) what does that say about Christianity?

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    • restorehope
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:25pm

      Practicing Musims are just one percent of the US population? Then they need to mind their own business. No one is pushing them to convert to Christianity or Judaism, so they need to give us 99% the same courtesy. If they cannot restrain themselves from imposing their religion on the rest of us, then they should go back to the Middle East where they tolerate such nonsense.

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    • exdem
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:25pm

      @TEXASPROG AND ECINOMUSLIM
      Who are the christians who behead non believers?
      And to equate TEA Party with Taliban(which you cant even spell) shows how ignorant you are. Please go to Afganistan and live among them since they are less offensive to you than your fellow Americas.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:44pm

      The Anti-Obama

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    • psycodad36
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:55pm

      but he has balzzz

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    • fertlmind
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 9:57pm

      We need MORE HERMAN CAIN !!!!!!!!!!!
      and let me just say that we need WAY LESS OBAMMA

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    • Cemoto78
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 10:02pm

      I truly like what this guy has to say and the way he says it. No betting around the bush, never answering questions but just using talking points, etc. This man would be an excellent president or any other political office holder. All we want are the facts and the truth, when did this change for us?

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 10:11pm

      JZS,
      More malliteracy. Apparently you can quote, but you can’t read the sentence after your citation.
      Now I’ll admit, Cain didn’t say it in the most artful way, but it‘s quite obvious that he’s talking about different kinds of “trying to convert”. Insofar as the conversion process is individual and accomplished by persuasion, Cain would allow them complete freedom to do so, and would not fear their advance in the slightest, being convinced of the moral superiority of his own religion, as he is. What he’s opposing, however, is the effort to induce conversion by force or by institutional change. And there he’s right as well: every concession our laws make to Shari’a erodes the freedoms (even that of religion!) guaranteed by our Constitution.

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    • jzs
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 10:12pm

      restorehope, mind your own business and stop trying to impose your ideas on the rest of us. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech You don’t believe in the Constitution and the wisdom of the ideas that document embodies. You’re un-American in that way. Okay, fine, go live in another country. But if you‘d would deny freedom of speech to people of religions you don’t like, then I’d like like you to keep your ideas to yourself and not “impose” them on me.

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    • 82dAirborne
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 10:45pm

      @jzs

      Yes I believe one of the duties of a Christian is to “spread the word & try to “save” or convert” others. As far as I can tell they do it in a spirit of trying to help. The muslim EXTREMISTS – not really trying to help or comfort others. Case in point: I can’t tell you how many buildings in the U.S. (or elsewhere for that matter) have been blown up by a rabid gang of Presbyterians or Lutherans. Don’t get me started on the warlike Baptists!!

      No one is trying to “impose” their beliefs on you. Just stating opinions as do you. I wouldn’t try to impose my beliefs on you because I don’t think you are worth the trouble. If you so vehemently disagree with the majority of opinions posted here go somewhere else. Better yet – start your own site…… Or if you ever figure out a way to substantiate your views please post again.

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    • kindling
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 11:01pm

      Rogue, I think the two would make a great balanced team. Here is hoping!

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    • jzs
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 11:41pm

      HappyStretchedThin, you’re a little pretentious in my opinion. You say this, “Insofar as the conversion process is individual and accomplished by persuasion, Cain would allow them complete freedom to do so, and would not fear their advance in the slightest…”

      Here are some more quotes just from the above:
      -The role of Muslims in America is not to convert the rest of us to the Muslim religion.
      -And so I push back and reject them trying to convert the rest of us.
      -So their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely, just like we should be allowed to practice our religion freely, and not try to convert the rest of us.

      So you’re statement that, “Cain would allow them complete freedom to do so, and would not fear their advance in the slightest” is a little flaky. I personally know what the words “push back”, “reject”, “not try to convert”, “their role is not to convert”, “their sole role” mean.

      Thin, how can you resolve those statements with your idea that Cain would “allow them complete freedom” to proselytize? I think that learning the meaning of the word “sophistry” should be high on your to do list.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 12:53am

      @ JZS…….may I talk with you a minute. I will, probably foolishly, try to explain my position on this. It is true that I will certainly enter into a conversation and relationships with sincerity and love to share the truth with people. Now if they make it clear they want no discussion then I will certainly respect them for that and never bring it up again unless they ask. I will do my best to still care about them and demonstrate love to them as I am enabled to do so. I would not impose my beliefs upon another person of a different faith unless they ask me to discuss with them the reason for the hope that is in me. I certainly would not resent or be intimidated or offended if they wanted to talk to me. I have done it many times with Mormons, JWs, and Catholics. However, if they did not extend me the same respect if I said I do not want to discuss it then I would become disgruntled. Especially if I was threatened with violence or coercion. Or if our way of life was being covertly subverted by stealth.
      Now I will debate with them where I believe them to be wrong and false in their beliefs in a public forum or if they challenge my beliefs I will not back down in any way. But this is how I think presumptuously many Christians would feel about this situation. I think the issue is that some Muslims would seek to gain converts by coercion or aggression and that simply would be unacceptable. Now if they simply want to worship in their faith no problem have at it. I believe this is the pulse of what you see in many of these posts. As you know religious beliefs are very personal and arouse strong feeling in most people. Therefore, we do have to make sure we are very clear on our positions.

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    • Anti_Spock
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 1:09am

      “Because we are a Judeo-Christian nation, from the fact that 85 percent of us are self-described Christians, or evangelicals, or practicing the Jewish faith. Eighty-five percent.”

      Not according to Obama, who believes 85% qualifies as a severe minority enough to proclaim “we are no longer a Christian nation.” Following this Obama logic… America is a Socialist nation where sharia law should be the 28th amendment.

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    • sbish
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 1:28am

      I am confused by Mr. Cain and this board. I would consider myself far from an Islamic apologist, but the statement by Cain, “they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them” seems odd to me because I don’t believe Muslims in this country have that objective, or at least the very vast majority of them. Having known and been friends with Muslims, I cannot recall a single instance where I was in the least bit counselled or tried to be recruited into their faith and am pretty sure no attempts have been made on my life by them either, thankfully. In fact, my Muslim friends generally do not bring up religion at all. Outside this country in predominately Muslim countries, that very well may be the case, and I have heard about enough of people defending Islam as a beautiful religion. When a woman can be stoned to death for breaking wind at the dinner table, that doesn’t seem so beautiful to me. I just think there is a lot less truth and a lot more hyperbole in Mr. Cain’s statements/views and of many of you on this board. IMO, you guys are getting paranoid and/or don’t know what you are talking about.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 1:38am

      SBISH………….More than 3000 New Yorkers might argue your point with you if they were still alive.

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 1:58am

      Robert-CA
      Posted on March 22, 2011 at 4:57pm
      OMG did he just said the truth ??????
      How dare he ?
      Where are the lib pro loons ?
      ——————————————————

      Give them time. They don’t want to attack him now because of his skin color, but if he were to win the nomination they will go after him as if he was Satan himself.

      This however does bring up a point I keep making over and over… “It will take a minority or a female to beat Obama in 2012.” Fortunately we have some excellent choices in both categories. No good-old-boy white guy has a chance. Not in my eyes, in the eyes of the left. No matter whomever the white man is that runs for office, he’s going to be portrayed as one of those rich anti-Union, banking supporting, white boys, from a special class of citizenry. I don’t like the position it puts our entire sytem in, but we have to face reality. And the one thing we MUST keep in mind for this next presidential election… Obama Must Be Beaten! The Tim Pawlenty’s, Ron Pauls, Mitt Romneys, etc, etc, don’t have a chance this go round. IMHO of course!

      (New) subject…
      http://www.americasteapartynews.com/tea-blog.php#/news/

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    • Sense and Sensibility
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 2:20am

      @Watch – I am confused by your statement. The 9/11 terrorists killed all those people because they were not able to convert them to Islam? Last time I checked Al-Queda claimed the attacks were due to the US’s involvement in Saudi Arabia and Isreal and our sanctions against Iraq.

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    • KICKILLEGALSOUT
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 8:17am

      Thank God someone is speaking the truth!

      Islam is a Satanic Barbarian Death Cult and could be moving next door to you soon if you don’t stand up, speak out and stop it NOW. We need to cut off all immigration from Muslim countries to America immediately keep pushing to get Sharia law banned and even Islam banned as a Hate group if possible.

      The more I hear coming from Herman Cain and Allen West the more I am liking these guys and what they stand for.

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    • My Hero-Allen West-click my name
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 8:46am

      Cain-West 2012. Dam what a pair of Patriots. While I’m just an old southern white boy these two men of Honor show that race is not an issue for the average American. I get so sick of the “black” leader mouths saying that the only reason everyone is against Obama is that he is black? BS, it is him that we don’t like!

      A good man is known by the contents of his heart and not the color of his skin. Cain and West have proven they are “good men”.

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    • Leadthemtothelight
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 8:55am

      hmmmmmm common sense….rational thought…..ability to speak the truth…..faith in God….tell me more Herman Cain.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 9:10am

      tompaineknowsthescore
      im pretty sure the bible instructs people to convert others, and Islam is an abrahamic faith just like judaism and christianity do see why he needs to exclude muslims

      Not true the Great Commision from Christ to the church is to spread the message so all men hear it and have the opportunity to accept it. It is clearly up to the individual to accept it or reject it.
      The muslim version: Accept it, or die.

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    • hud
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 9:43am

      ALL TRUE MUSLIMS want you dead or converted

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    • sbish
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 9:49am

      watchtheotherhand,

      If you remember correctly, there were not any American citizens on the planes on 9/11. If you read my entire post, and not just the first two sentences, you would have saw that I am not so forgiving of Muslims in the middle east and Northern Africa. Your point is well taken, however. Since there are people on this board who refuse to differentiate the clear distinction between American Muslims and foreign Muslims, you are probably correctin asserting some of the 3000 that day would also jump to the same incorrect conclusion. (In case you didn’t notice, this wasn’t your point at all, but since you didn’t understand the point of my first post, I thought I would spell it out for you the meaning of my second post.)

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 10:13am

      @ SENES and SENSIBILITY………..Did you even read the other thread I addressed? She said she didn’t have her life threatened. That is a naive position to take. So what that she had a few Muslim friends do you honestly think that represents the current issues. And all of those terrorists lived here before they struck. Please don’t drink kool-aid and think a bit. There are very well organized groups in this country that are aggressively seeking converts particularly youth and are also trying to subvert our life here in this country in many different areas. The 9-11 victims unfortunately found out the hard way. Let us not put our heads back into the sand of nativity. An experience with a few Muslims means very little on the greater landscape of what is going on in this country. You don’t believe me then just check out some of the warnings from a few of the “peaceful” Muslims trying to speak out and warn America about what is going on. Try reading some books by folks that were Muslim and have converted to Christianity about the goals of organized Islam is for the west !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 10:21am

      @ SBISH……….your desire to separate American Muslims and foreign Muslims is naive and foolhardy. You cannot separate them. Look at the Fort Hood shooting as just one example I could point to. So what you have had a couple of Muslim friends. That really means very little in the greater scheme of what is going on in this country via organized Islam and its efforts. Do realize that sleeper cells will live, work, make friends for literally years and appear to be the most normal friendly people until the are called upon and then carry out their violent schemes. You obviously don’t know to much about their religion, their practices and their tactics.

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    • sbish
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 10:45am

      watchtheotherhand

      I look for trends, not isolated insidents. While my Muslim friends may or may not be a scientific experience as to the state of Muslims in this country, the cowardly shrink of Ft Hood does not make a trend of American led Islamic fanatacism. The only trend I see is the continuing trend of PC behavior by our govt to spot radicalism and stop it in its tracks because of a fear of what the Isaralis do so well, profiling likely suspects. As you say sleeper cells will live and work for years before the strike. I think it is sensible to identify these cells, hopefully before they strike, and punish them accordingly rather than announce there are sleeper cells around every possible corner and then pronounce all the Muslims in this country as suspects. It is similar to the Progressives stance on Wall Street. They want to demonize the whole industry and say that everyone on Wall Street is crooked. While there is evidence of bad behavior and greed on Wall Street, they too are isolated incidents and to declare the entire industry as criminal is idelogical and unsubstantiated, such as your opinion on American Muslims. I don’t think guilty before proven innocent is the spirit of the Constitution, but, in fact, the antithesis.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 11:18am

      @ SBISH…………look I am really not trying to be argumentative here. But first I am not saying it is every Muslim nor do I think all of them are necessarily dangerous. Neither does Herman Cain if you listen to his comments. However, your generalization and apparent denial of very very dangerous organized elements in this country, be them citizens or visitors with visas, is not what we are being told by investigative agencies or some Muslims themselves. Have you read any of the Muslims that are trying to warn the US about what is going on?

      “Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians,” he responded,”it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more than just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed.”

      When questioned about this, Abdul Rauf continued: “Current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws.”

      He then added: “New laws were permitted after the death of Muhammad, as long, of course, that these laws did not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad … so they create institutions that assure no conflicts with Sharia law.”

      In plainer English, forget the separation of church and state: Abdul Rauf’s goal is the imposition of Sharia law – in every country — even democratic ones like the U.S.

      Again this is just one example of a prominent Imam in this country that is a citizen. I can list so many. Your desire to not bow to PC is commendable, but you cannot do so at the denial of facts. We are not attempting to demonize ALL Muslims as you have characterized me as doing. We are trying to be very realistic about the very real threat that is fighting against us. Do you see why I posted like I did to your first post now. Are there descent Muslims out there? Of course there are. Is there very violent ones that form very organized coordinated efforts against us? You better believe it. To deny it or ignore is to put your own life and others at risk. Read some of the Muslims works that are crying and yelling trying to warn us about what is going on in our own backyard. Please !!!!!

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    • earthrise
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 12:50pm

      cheezwhiz:
      TexasProgressive
      Its true, many muslims want to take over the world. It is also true there are man Christians that currently want to take over the world.
      ———–
      Who would you rather live under
      Islamic rule
      or
      Christian rule ?
      ————————

      lmao….. good freakin’ answer.

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    • Slobaphobe
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 3:16pm

      @ encinom Hmm…let’s review. Stoning for adultery, beaten for speaking to a man outside of the family, “Honor” Killings for converting to Christianity…not sure what the punishment is for spelling errors…

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    • Tomr
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 6:15pm

      jzs

      There you go again smelling up TheBlaze with your sulphur and athiest crap philosophy. It absolutely amazes me how a person like you can have contempt for those people (christian, jew and muslim alike) just because they believe in a supreme being. It must be a miserable life you live.

      I pray for your salvation.

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    • DisillusionedDaily
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 9:34pm

      We are to be tolerant of all religions, Islam included. Islam is not and will not be tolerant of any other religion. What is wrong with this picture?

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on March 23, 2011 at 10:47pm

      JZS,
      Debate lesson. Take your opponent’s best argument and blow it out of the water. If you pick on the little points, he comes off the winner.
      You can bring up Cain’s own words where he seems to make your own point, but you can’t deal with the CENTRAL point of his argument, which he obviously floundered finding language for:
      “they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them”
      Now what kind of proselyting does that objective suggest to you? The kind of sharing of one’s faith without trying to coerce? Or conversion by force? Peaceful living of one’s religion (which Cain affirmed repeatedly!), including the duty to use words to spread awareness with the goal of allowing free individuals to agree with you and convert? Or undermining the Constitution by attempting to impose Shari’ah law by judicial fiat, thereby de facto enforcing conversion of people without their consent?
      You accuse me of sophistry. I have spoken to the heart of Cain’s meaning because I am a careful reader. Your own words rather demonstrate that you are the sophist (and a poor one at that), and are unable/unwilling to read carefully to understand people for what they really mean (perhaps only when they don’t confirm your twisted view of reality).

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