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Herman Cain Remains Staunchly Conservative Despite His Church’s Very Liberal Leanings

Herman Cain Worships at the Liberal Antioch Baptist Church North

As Herman Cain’s popularity grows, he’s beginning to surge in the polls. Naturally, as a result, the media are beginning to place increased attention on his beliefs, background and record. This morning, CNN’s Belief Blog published an in-depth piece about his faith and church background.

Considering Cain’s conservative inclinations, some may find his house of worship choice somewhat odd. But when it comes to roots, his family’s are deep in Antioch Baptist Church North. The church, which has historical significance, has been heavily involved in liberal activism and holds many political views that stand in contradiction to Cain’s.

Founded over 134 years ago by feed slaves, Antioch has 14,000 members. While the church is politically liberal, it is theologically conservative. CNN has more:

Antioch is a member of the National Baptist Convention USA Inc., a denomination in which some churches do not ordain women. The denomination’s leadership publicly broke with King over his civil rights activism. But like many black Baptist churches, Antioch has developed a strong social justice component to its ministry over the years. It offers ministries for people suffering from drug addition and those infected with HIV/AIDS, and it has been a Sunday stopover for black politicians running for office.

Jesse Jackson, among other controversial civil rights leaders, has been invited to speak to the congregation in the past. With many of these figures contradicting his personal views, this is certainly an intriguing church fit. But again, Cain’s family has a history of attending and being heavily involved with the church.

Cain’s recent comments about African Americans and the Democratic Party, one wonders how the left-leaning church community is responding. As you’ll recall, Cain said the following:

“African Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded, not even considering a conservative point of view. I have received some of that same vitriol simply because I am running for the Republican nomination as a conservative. So it’s just brainwashing and people not being open minded, pure and simple.”

In light of his church’s viewpoint and activism, it’s hard to imagine these comments going over well among his fellow congregants. Still, sources say that Cain is well-liked by his fellow churchgoers. Despite sharing differences, Christianity apparently trumps politics at Antioch, as the successful businessman relates well to everyone he worships with.

Also, since 2002, Cain has been an associate minister at the church — a leadership role that puts him in a unique position, as he serves alongside others with whom he has great political differences. In March, he told Christianity Today the following:

“I was licensed in 2002. Like most ministers, I felt called to preach the word of God and minister to the least, the last, and the lost, and minister to His people. In addition to delivering sermons, I’m very involved with the scholarship ministry. I believe, as you know, education is the key, and one of the reasons that I got involved with the scholarship ministry is that we need to encourage kids as well as assist them in getting off to a good educational start, and even going on to college.”

While his pastor, the Rev. C.M. Alexander, is said to disagree with Cain’s politics, the two men are extremely close — so much so that Cain sang “The Impossible Dream” at the pastor’s 50th anniversary party.

The spirit of Antioch is said to be open, despite the overwhelmingly politically liberal ideology that many there hold. Rev. Fredrick Robinson, who formerly served at Antioch and who is a friend of Cain’s, describes him as “a real person who is more complicated than the sound bite you may have heard from him.”

When it comes to race, Robinson says that Cain‘s views aren’t simplistic. In fact, he says that Cain has privately admitted that racism is a problem. “He knows there’s racism in the tea party, but he’ll never say that because they are his supporters,” Robinson says. “That bothers a lot of people, but he plays to that base not because he’s a sellout but because he’s a politician.”

Watch Cain discuss his background and his faith, below:

Regardless of whether this insinuation is true, Cain’s actions and words have publicly been pretty consistent on the matter, as he has repeatedly said that he does not believe the Tea Party is a racist institution.

When it comes to the genuineness of his faith, Ken Blackwell, who has served as Cincinnati’s mayor, Ohio’s former secretary of state and who is a fellow African-American Republican, has known Cain since the mid-1990s. In describing the presidential contender’s faith, he says that he lives his faith out privately the same way he does publicly. “He doesn’t just talk the talk,” Blackwell says. “He actually lives what he says and believes in.”

“I was able to see he has a very clear and discernible faith walk he was very comfortable with and very dependent on as he met his challenges,” Blackwell continues.

In his Christianity Today interview, Cain described life after surviving Cancer. Rather than living out his days in personal pleasure, he claims he wants to use the remainder of his life for something greater:

“When you look death right between the eyes, the faith that you had increases. I only had a 30 percent chance of survival, and that was nearly five years ago. I have been totally cancer free now for five years. And I am absolutely convinced that it is because of the will of God that I am still here today. That is why I am also absolutely convinced that I was not supposed to use this extension of life for purposes of personal pleasure, such as playing golf three times a week.”

By all accounts, Cain’s faith is strong, as he has remained embedded in his church for decades. Furthermore, he has taken the leap to become a minister and to immerse himself fully in ministry. Despite sharing deep differences with his fellow congregants and with his church leadership, he has shown an ability to work and worship with people with whom he disagrees — a quality that can certainly be revered.

We‘ll leave you with Cain’s address to the Faith & Freedom Coalition last month:

(H/T: CNN Belief Blog)

Comments (145)

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  • trickball
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:04pm

    Most Black baptist chruch’e in the south consist range form conservative to very liberal. With that being said that does not mean that every member in the Church is liberal. Some choose a church becasue of heritage or a number of other issues. But, the fact that Mr. Cain is a member of this church is a nonfactor.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:38pm

      Did you give Barack Obama the same benefit of the doubt?

      And what if President Herman Cain appoints his ultra liberal pastor to a White House position?

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  • Drakkhanlord
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:55pm

    ron paul knocks all the want to be’s in the dirt…follow the constitution.

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  • taksavillage
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:49pm

    Why does the Rev. Fredrick Robinson think that Tea Party people are racist when there is NO evidence to the fact but assume the Democrats are on their side when many IN HEIR OWN WORDS have loudly stated the opposite?

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    • stopspendingourmoney
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:54pm

      For you Herman Cainites out there, watch this and wake the He-l up!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J2ATkTYOHU

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:56pm

      They say Tea Party people are racist because they hate Muslims and don’t want to give welfare to blacks, won’t let gay people marry and are against illegal aliens…mostly.

      You realize the Tea Party began and HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION!
      The original Tea Party was anti-war.
      Look at it now that the GOP/Beck/Palin bunch hijacked it.
      Judge Napolitano on Fox News talked about it.

      “Occupy Wall Street”people warned not to let their efforts get hijacked (like the GOP hijacked the Tea Party)
      Napolitano suggests common goals.
      End the Fed
      End the wars
      End the income tax
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF30eMuWFHI

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    • Vechorik
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:00pm

      I watched it and that is so true. The election this year is simple:

      Socialism (with Obama or the GOP or Liberty (with Ron Paul)

      People MUST understand what has happened to the political parties! THEY ARE THE SAME — for new world order and globalism that Glenn warns us about!

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    • trench99
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 7:04pm

      Because the TEA party is largly white & of course all of us whites are racist. That is what the majority of blacks believe, because they misunderstand racism vs. prejudgement; a black man (young) walking towards you wearing sweat pants, & hoodie no one around, you’re white, are you on guard? Well you should be! Prejudgement tells you most black criminals wear this outfit, you are vulnerable since no one’s around, & most crimes are committed by young black males. It‘s not racism it’s statistics!! Maybe if they started joining polite society and recognizing the merit to the statistics our prejudgement would change.

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  • RightPolitically
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:44pm

    My money is on Herman Cain. His strength is in being forthright and not a politician. However, Newt and Michele also seem great to my mind. I’d like to see some sort of combination of the three. Herman as President, Newt as V.P. with Michele as Sec/State or Treasury. Works for me and would work for America.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:52pm

      Unless you are one of the Koch brothers I‘m afraid your money isn’t nearly enough to get Herman Cain nominated. Face it…Cain doesn’t have the kind of fundraising capabilities required to get the nomination. It would take the infusion of sugardaddy cash…like the Koch brothers.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:08pm

      Yeah… I like Cain and Newt also
      Yo Lumbar: it’s fun to be the underdog… sometime he gets the bone!… actually quite often.

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    • Obama Been Lauding
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 6:41am

      Why is it everyone attacks Mr. Cain on his knowledge of foreign affairs????
      Do you really think Barrack Hussein Obama knew ‘Anything’ about foreign affairs before he got elected? He was a community organizer!!!!!
      All Obama knew was told to him by the people around him, to make you think he knew something!!!!
      His foreign affairs knowledge was limited to his growing up in a foreign land!!!!!
      We need a “Leader” that has a clue about business, and job creation!!!!!

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    • OpenRevolt
      Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:21am

      CAIN IS PLANNING TO REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH FOR BLACKS:

      On CNN he explained his 9-9-9 plan is about redistributing wealth, power, and businesses of Americans to blacks and special interest groups with “Empowerment Zones” where black dominated areas like Detroit would not be taxed 9-9-9, but 3-3-3 or less:

      SEE THE VIDEO:

      http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2011/10/14/cain-blows-up-999-plan-with-empowerment-zones/

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  • Lumbar Spine
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:39pm

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/18/the-liberal-church-of-herman-cain/

    “Cain, a conservative who recently said African-Americans were “brainwashed” into voting Democratic, is an associate minister at an Atlanta megachurch that has been a stronghold of liberal activism and is led by a pastor who cites Malcolm X as one of his influences.

    Cain is a longtime member of Antioch Baptist Church North, which sits near the former college and home of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

    The church, founded by freed slaves 134 years ago, boasts 14,000 members and an operating budget of more than $5 million. For years Antioch has hosted a “who’s who” of civil rights activists as guest speakers, including Jesse Jackson and Andrew Young.”

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    • MHP
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:51am

      President Cain needs to visit Antioch Bible Church in Redmond, Wa, Rev. Ken Hutcherson

      http://www.abchurch.org/

      Perhaps the most conservative black church I know of.

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  • Nomopolitics
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:38pm

    I have read his church website and it looks to me that they are Bible believing Christians and that is what matters.I see a huge difference in Obama’s church.The web page for that church hardly mentions the name Jesus Christ anywhere,rev wright is not preaching the gospel.I could tell Mr.Cain was a Christian the first time I heard him on the radio 3 years ago.

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  • DoYourOwnResearch
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:29pm

    Herman Cain is so awsome!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjl-HBl7ju4

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:43pm

      DoYourOwnResearch, why don’t you stop using your sneaky underhanded tricks? If you’re the kind of supporters Ron Paul attracts, why would anybody want to vote for him?

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:41am

      Thanks, QPWILLIE, you saved me from wasting time on the link (I’m getting to know trustworthy Blaze posters & you, QPWILLIE, are one).

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    • stopspendingourmoney
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:01pm

      Freedom is popular to all types, I may not like the mean drunk up the road but we do agree that freedom is supreme that men should have the right to choose what road they want to go down good or bad.

      Ron Paul 2012 restore America

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  • stillshocked
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:29pm

    I’m not sure Rev. Robinson did his friend Herman Cain any favors in his remarks. Mr. Cain certainly may be “more complicated” than he appears (not a bad thing necessarily), but he also has great appeal to John Q. Publics who are ready for a president who means what he says, says what he means and can reflect American strength long-gone with the Obama administration.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:05pm

      Do we REALLY know who Herman Cain is…? Belonging to an ultra liberal church whose pastor admires Malcolm X and Jesse Jackson might be disturbing to some people.

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    • kathin9
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:52am

      You have got to be kidding me. Are we talking about the “two steps backward” dance that herman Cain puts on every time he opens his mouth? Kinda like the “no muslims in my administration” and then takes it back and apologizes to CAIR? Or would that be the same Herman Cain who supported Mitt Romney in 2008, saying he was the most qualified, and best person for President he ever met? What’s changed Herman? Or would that be the same “two steps backwards” Herman Cain who made the comments about the electric fence with barbwire for the border and then told NBC news the following morning it was just a JOKE. Well I live on the border Mr. Cain and I sure the hell am not laughing. Do some research people you are acting like demonuts, thinking you are voting for a man to prove you aren’t racists. Vote for the best man, not the race baiting, race card playing Herman Cain who pursued the “rock” incident about Perry. Who by the way had nothing to do with it, if the story is even true in the first place. Dear lord you are acting like non researching demonuts, just like with Obama, do some research.

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    • TEA4Me
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:02am

      Actually Kathin9, Cain stated, because I heard him with my own ears, that he didn‘t feel the Perry’s (who were renting the property) where particularly to blame and that the people who owned the property prior were the racists. He said that the term on the rock was offensive and then he let it go. I saw at least two interviews with Cain, conducted by liberal media members who tried valantly to get him to go on a rampage and play the race card against Perry, and Herman didn’t even come close to taking the bait. He simply shut the line of questioning down. Now contrast that with how our current Divider-In-Chief would have reacted in the same situation…

      And please don’t call Cain a flip flopper and then hint at your preference for Romney. That’s a little hyporcitical, don’t you think?

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  • TeaPartyanimal
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:20pm

    I Can’t shake Cain. I’m in for the long haul. There is only one other person who is intriguing me right now.

    Newt Gingrich. This dude is really winning the debates overall. Winning the debates does not mean you are the best person to inspire people and lead, but it shows you know what the hell you are talking about.

    Gingrich Cain Gingrich Cain

    Thats what i see.

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    • stillshocked
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:31pm

      Can you see Obama in a debate with Gingrich? He would absolutely shred Obama!

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    • Tired of Code Names
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:44pm

      @teapartyanimal. I’m on board with you. Newt lets the rest expose themselves, lays back low and then hammers them with facts they don’t even know about. He almost looks bored sometimes watching them bicker back and forth and then even points it out. I think Newt handed a Republican Senate and an even stronger Republican House, will make Reagan look like he was a rookie. Newt knows the insiders, knows the insider rules and will break it down in a systematic way that could make him out to be the person that replaced Reagon. Cain keeping him honest as a V.P. would be a great idea. Cain would not be a puppet as a V.P.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:55pm

      Gingrich would make a better Secretary of State. He could deal w/friend and foe equally well. He has the history background to keep them all honest!

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    • Tired of Code Names
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:07pm

      @Elena2010
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:55pm
      Gingrich would make a better Secretary of State. He could deal w/friend and foe equally well. He has the history background to keep them all honest!

      You make a good point. But, let’s hypothesize. Gingrich as President perhaps may have the wherewhithall to appoint a Secretary of State that has serious CIA background who would also be well spoken and know even more about national security than even Newt does. With that said, that does not diminish the fact that such a Secretary of State must be solely about defense. Newt would be obligated to get such a person the necessary staff around that person to handle the trade issues as well. But, in my humble opinion, Newt will find such a person and such a staff.

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    • fatjack
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:23pm

      The more I see of Newt the better I like him.

      The best tonight was Newt and Bachmann.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:30pm

      How many times has Gingrich been married…like 3 or 4? And doesn’t he have problems handling his own finances?

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  • Gorfolio
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:18pm

    With Cains background I’d swear he was created to be our next president. His straight talk style, business successes, naval association, mathematical knowledge, and yes like it or not his time with the Fed (which does give him some much needed in-sight), his conservative views and his faith all add up to make him our best candidate and president we’ve had in a long time. Cain/Paul 2012 folks…..lets make it happen.

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    • KTsayz
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:29am

      A president just like Obamao. Can you please explain to me why Cain won’t release the profit and loss staements from when he was CEO of Godfather Pizza? Obamao hides his papers, and so does Cain. Two peas in a pod!

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  • jackbauer
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:14pm

    Like him or not, there is definitely depth to Herman Cain. I kinda understand his church situation. I grew up in a white, country church which was full of Democrats and was fiscally conservative. They pretty much looked the other way when it came to Democrat social issues.
    You can also deduct that he has a strong work ethic. I think the POTUS we have now would rather sleep late and play ball all day than to actually work. Obama confuses talking with work! Cain walks the talk.

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  • CottonMPG
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:13pm

    Almost all predominantly black churches are liberal. The fact that he has not compromised his views to pander to his life long friends and has even managed to be accepted by and lead these people is proof that he IS a good leader. If he hasn‘t gone demoncrap yet he isn’t going!! I’ll vote for him.

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    • EddardStark
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:21pm

      Whoa, whoa, whoa. We all know that your religious affiliations clearly define who you are as a person. Obama had Reverend Wright, Cain has this left-wing, handout mongering church.

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    • kindling
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:33pm

      I agree. If there is going to be a Black leader to bring the Black community to the truth and individual freedom I believe it is Cain. Obama just keeps them down and feeds them the liberal kool-aid of giving them everything they need rather than Cain telling them to earn it for themselves. Cain can stand next to someone with totally opposit views and not attack like Obama will do. There must be opposition in all things but there needs to be balance. Cain delivers that balance.

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  • fatjack
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:09pm

    Flip flop Cain.

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  • chicago76
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:06pm

    So everyone thinks Herman is a conservative. What about him except 999 makes him a conservative? What has he said? What has he done? Or is he riding the crest of the Tea Party that wants to show off a black spokesperson? How can one who sits and listens to that preaching for years not be affected by it? Isn’t that the question we ask about Obama and yet with Cain now everyone seems oblivious again. Could it be he is just a Romney or Perry or Obama-lite. I know Cain has nice catch phrases. So,does Obama, I think they learned them in the same church. Cain may be another wolf in sheeps clothing. Watch what he has done not what he says. Ask him who he voted for in 2008, bet he voted for Obama.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:14pm

      He belongs to a liberal church whose pastor admires Malcolm X…what more do you need to know?

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  • rachelins
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:54pm

    Not only is Herman Cane all of the things talked about above, he is a mathematician and was studying to be a rocket scientist when he was captured by corporate leadership. Have we ever had a President that knew something about balancing and working with numbers? Don’t we need this now? No matter if 999 is good or missing in some aspects – we are looking at replacing the 70,000 pages of rules in the IRS Code – we are going to get rid of all of the special favors and loop holes – we are going to treat everyone fairly. It won’t matter who you know. Now that would be a real change. Herman Cane is offering in detail the change everyone thought they were getting with Obama. He has the ideas and he has the voice. How great will this be!

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    • KTsayz
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:34am

      Sorry, no real change with Cain. He’s refused to disclose the profit and loss statement from when he was CEO of Godfather Pizza. You really want another president who hides his papers? And now we find out he’s from a Reverend Wright-like church?
      Please VET THE CANDIDATES!

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  • Alucard
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:49pm

    You will see the media have a HUGE double standard on this, mark my words. Obama listened to Jeremiah Wright for 20 + years, sworn in using the Koran and the very people that continuously call for separation of church and state as if it’s in the Constitution will be all about bringing faith into the debate now. The liberal’s hypocrisy has no limits. They scream out about killing is wrong then turn around and have no problems with abortion or idealize people who are mass murderers. (Che, Castro, Mao). They talk about free speech yet are the first to be outraged by a Hitler analogy and turn around and accuse someone of being a Nazi. The liberals know their tactics are no longer fooling people so they will be moving to a new phase before the elections.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:02pm

      Why isn’t Herman Cain being called upon to repudiate his pastor, Rev. Alexander, who calls Malcolm X one of his influences on civil rights?

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    • Alucard
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:18pm

      @Lumbar
      I’m just curious has Rev. Alexander made any statements about America deserving 9/11? Has he made any statements about white people being evil? Does he continuously talk about slavery? Has he made any comments about Hiroshima/Nagasaki as if there were no grounds for the action? If the answer is yes than I’ll be right alongside you asking why we expected Obama to denounce Wright, but not expect the same from Cain. However, I haven’t found any evidence to support this at this time. I will need more than he was inspired by Malcolm X. Inspired doesn’t mean he agrees with everything the man did.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:23pm

      That’s different than sitting with a Pastor who espouses anti-American rhetoric for 20 years. And it’s ok for churches to be “socially conscious” because that’s where it belongs. Are they going to call Catholic Charities for being for social justice? they help anyone who needs it, with soup kitchens, clothing drives, food pantries, etc. I went to a Baptist church that had a food pantry for anyone in the community who needed food. They also had a clothing bank, where people could come and get clothes for free. Are they liberal? Just because you want to help someone doesn’t make you liberal. Having the government force you to redistribute your wealth makes one liberal…

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:23pm

      ALUCARD…then why don’t you read the CNN blog article cited above instead of just reading the headline? It’s in there…

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/18/the-liberal-church-of-herman-cain/

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:36pm

      ALUCARD, Obama was not sworn in using the Koran. He was sworn in using one of Lincoln’s Bibles. You are surely thinking of Rep. Ellison, a black Muslim Dem. Congressman.

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  • ScarletRose
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:47pm

    What’s the French word for ~GAR·BAGE’~?

    Cain is no more conservative than Jesse Jackson.

    Diversity Czar who attacks Perry for having a racial slur PAINTED OVER, that his family had no part in having created (the sign in question) in the FIRST PLACE – in 1983???

    Federal Reserve, and former chairman WHO THINKS THE FED RES DOES NOT NEED AN AUDIT – sounds like a SOROS sock puppet to me – EVEN McCAIN was backstabbing the Fed Res in 2005 when Cain started DENYING the Housing Bubble AS A MYTH and denying the need for an audit of the Fed Res.
    It would have been the FIRST AUDIT in its entire history!!!

    NO FINANCIAL EXPERT EXISTS who could do that with CREDIBILITY!

    Flip flops over Abortion, all over the MAP on that issue inside 5 yrs Pulled himself out of consideration for a GOP office too late for others to enter – and instantly gave money to the DIM CANDIDATE.

    I find no ground for calling Cain a Conservative. A GOP who votes CAIN is a Dim subsidiary.

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  • mad_hatter
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:46pm

    He can be staunch conservative but the important question is… Do you support the principle that his candidacy is based on (per sea)? His 9-9-9 program is basically what is holding up his candidacy, is it good or bad (after all those that attacked the program? Here is where the candidates bring up the concerns: http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/oct/cain_pile_999.html

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  • Magyar
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:38pm

    Herman is spirit filled—PERIOD….As a Christian, I trust him!

    Boy, the second he catapulted into the top tier of cadidates, the attacks have risen exponentially—9-9-9 no good, not an authentic BLACK, his religion too Christian? Please! What’s next? They’ll think of something, I’m sure!

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    • ScarletRose
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:08pm

      Pray do tell – of WHAT spirit is Herman filled? Looks like the spirit of Jesse Jackson the way he jumped Perry for a sign Perry got taken down in 1983 – that Perry’s FAMILY NEVER CREATED!

      Looks like the spirit of George Soros the way he called the Housing Bubble a MYTH in 2005, and DENIES that the Federal Reserve needs an AUDIT much less DISMANTLING.

      I smell the spirit of mole rat RINO.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:38pm

      And I smell the spirit of a smelly troll

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  • mamawhite13
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:27pm

    Antioch has developed a strong social justice component to its ministry over the years. It offers ministries for people suffering from drug addition and those infected with HIV/AIDS, and it has been a Sunday stopover for black politicians running for office.
    Offering ministries at your church is NOT social justice & it’s not liberal, it’s CHRISTIAN. Liberals want the government to do it. The church should be doing these things NOT the government. Good for Herman Cain attending a church that is doing what God called US to do, not Washington to do.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:42pm

      MAMA, I agree that social justice is something all churches should aspire to promote…contrary to what Glenn Beck says.

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    • momprayn
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:51pm

      Yes, I noticed the same thing. Many ppl don’t seem to understand the “social justice” deal. We’re not against helping the poor – whoever in need — and therefore have ministries where ppl volunteer their time, money, etc. That is entirely different than having the Govn’t take your money, without your consent & giving it to whoever they decide to…which is the same as stealing. The key word is voluntary. It‘s a shame it’s been distorted and so misunderstood – among other things.

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    • Tired of Code Names
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:14pm

      @lumbar.. Your definition of social justice is quite different than your indoctrinated governmental approach. She actually pointed that out in her message if you were open minded enough to let it sink in. Mamawhite13 stated that the Churches were responsible for social problems in their communities. And that is justifiable. You could call that Christian social justice. I agree with her. I’m a Conservative Lutheran. We do the same things in our church. And are one of the largest charities in the country. We Christians like to decide where our dollars are spent for the charity God has asked us to do. The government taxing it from us and taking on that role is what we don’t care for. We simply believe we can do it better without the beurocracy who does not know our community. The Churches do. They will spend the charitable money much more wisely.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:21pm

      TIRED…hasn’t Glenn Beck specifically said that “social justice” is code for a really bad progressive concept? That you should find another church if your pastor starts talking about social justice…didn’t Beck say that?

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    • Tired of Code Names
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:53pm

      @Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:21pm
      TIRED…hasn’t Glenn Beck specifically said that “social justice” is code for a really bad progressive concept? That you should find another church if your pastor starts talking about social justice…didn’t Beck say that?

      Seriously Lumbar? Are you that uneducated. Mamawhite13 has a different definition of what social justice is. Her definition is that it is the church doing for the needy and not the government. Glenn Beck did state that you should run from a church that preaches social justice as a form or redistribution of wealth. Two different concepts. Which one do you like. The church and community helping out their own or the government who has proven every step of the way to “select” who get’s helped….take the church out of it. Would you rather decide where your charity dollars go and the organization you have researched and trust or just keep having the government tell you what money they are going to take from your paycheck and they will redistribute those dollars to whoever they please?

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  • ares338
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:19pm

    Churches should be non political or lose their tax free status. Individual members of course are entitled to their opinions but church shouldn’t be a venue for politics.

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    • Tired of Code Names
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:35pm

      @ares338. You are correct. That can be a slippery slope with respect to churches and politics. But, let’s think about this a little bit. Clearly, many folks disagree with what Jerimiah Wright say’s. And they state it’s political. I like to agree. I disagree with his theology if that’s what it is. But, as an honest individual, I can’t take that right away from him. My church preaches that you should pay your taxes to the governement whether you like it or not. Could that be construed as political? Yes. However, it is a fundemental belief of Christians. Jesus Christ himself stated that when the Pharisee’s had Jesus in a crowd consisting of largely Roman sympathizers and a small group of Jewish leaders. It was a set up. Had Jesus stated don’t pay your taxes….as the Jewish leaders had hoped, they would have had the Romans take Jesus out and their problem would have been gone. Instead, Jesus stated, “render to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s. Render to God what is God’s” Translation, we all live in countries where we think taxes may not be fair. But, if you live there deal with it. But, still give to God what he deserves. I therefore believe ares338 you are going down an even steeper slippery slope. Hope this makes sense.

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  • CatB
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:19pm

    Perhaps he can change minds and hearts within his church. Helping the people lift themselves up.

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  • Lumbar Spine
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:18pm

    Cain’s pastor, Rev. C.M. Alexander, cites Malcolm X as one of his influences. Will Herman Cain repudiate Rev. Alexander?

    If memory serves me correctly, candidate Barack Obama did eventually repudiate Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

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    • ScarletRose
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:01pm

      And we all see what THAT was worth!

      Cain proved his stuff FOR WHICH HE RECEIVED A BURGER KING AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE when he jumped Perry over the 1983 REMOVAL of a sign HIS FAMILY DID NOT CREATE over a hunting lease – à la Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton/Louis Farakhan!

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:13pm

      SCARLET…I so much want Rick Perry to get the nomination.

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    • Alucard
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:15pm

      LOL, ONLY when it was politically expedient and he had no real choice in the matter. I’m just curious has Rev. Alexander made any statements about America deserving 9/11? Has he made any statements about white people being evil? Does he continuously talk about slavery? Has he made any comments about Hiroshima/Nagasaki as if there were no grounds for the action? If the answer is yes than I’ll be right alongside you asking why we expected Obama to denounce Wright, but not expect the same from Cain. However, I haven’t found any evidence to support this at this time. I will need more than he was inspired by Malcolm X. Inspired doesn’t mean he agrees with everything the man did.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:27pm

      ALUCARD…didn’t you read the CNN blog cited above? It’s in there. But, wait…why do most right wingers assume Barack Obama agreed with everything Rev. Wright said but now that the shoe is on the other foot you don‘t want to believe Herman Cain in any way shared any of his pastor’s ultra liberal beliefs?

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  • hazmat_factor
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:15pm

    Have to say, I think very highly of anyone who is both active and involved in his church. America would be such a better place if we all were active in our churches, whatever the religeon (well, muslims can be inactive with the same results) and living by Christ’s teachings.

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  • hazmat_factor
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:09pm

    I have to say, the more I learn about Herman Cain, the more I feel like he’s what we need. Of course, that makes me a racist bigot with violent tendencies towards the bleeding heart liberals, but hey, just my opinion.

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:19pm

      As of right now, I think that Herman Cain is the best option available for the country. While I admit, I don’t care for his previous background with the Fed, the fact that he left that position, instead of staying there like most other politicians/crooks would, is commendable. He also comes from a background of hard work, personal faith and is a self-made person in the business world. Many people point to a lack of experience being a factor to disqualify him, but those people didn’t seem to have any complaints, when their traitorous golden child Obama was running. I think the main indicator for success in the position of President, will be a persons honesty, virtue and resolve to do whatever it takes to save and protect this country.

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    • ThorLoser
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:20pm

      Same here. The more I learn, the more I like him.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:25pm

    Rice… alike Bush… are Progressives… alike the Clinton’s! Barf!

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  • PATTY HENRY
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:34am

    CAIN / RUBIO or CAIN / WEST but CAIN / RUBIO would run the table. The more people are able to explain the 9-9-9 the more they are seeing that it’s the answer for the jobs.

    When you consider that it was our high cost of doing business that drove jobs away…if we can cut our Corporate Tax to the LOWEST in the world (9%)…with Poland being next at 18% ..and nothing for Capital Gains..nothing for Death Tax and then 9% Income and 9% Sales taxes instead of the 20+ % tax that’s in every product as we have it now. THIS will bring the jobs back!!! WE are totally for HERMAN CAIN!! And we love MARCOS RUBIO…

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  • kathin9
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:46am

    Does any of this bring back memories of, oh just let’s say Rev. Wright and the dipwad in office now? Well it does for me, especially since Herman Cain is about as conservative and nothing, ooops about as conservative as Mitt Romney, Nut Job Ron Paul, Garry Johnson, Huntsman, need I go on.

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  • pebbles17
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 6:43am

    This would be an amazing ticket!!!

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  • KTsayz
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:26am

    Looks to me like the blaze is trying to avert a Reverand Wrong moment for their man Cain.

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  • V-MAN MACE
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:48am

    OMG, Cain/Rice?

    That’s a NEOCON NIGHTMARE!!!

    Cain isn’t at all fiscally conservative. He has no intention of addressing the core of the problem, his former employer, the Federal Reserve.

    I’ll NEVER vote for a Federal Reserve agent like Herman Cain.

    Ron Paul 2012.

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  • timeout
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:20am

    i have research this church and its tennants. i can find no where that they believe in the death, resurrection, blood of Jesus Christ. i am trying to find out if they are a more “black” liberation type doctrine or a blood of Christ based church. there is a difference.

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  • Kalish
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:52pm

    No surprise here, MOST black churches are liberal, and preach against republicans and preach for democrats and endorse them, even though the democrats are the party of abortion, and for stealing other peoples money to give to people that do not deserve it or are entitled to it, and they never seem to get their tax exempt status taken away

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  • ACLUHater
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:57pm

    Churches catering to the poor is where it is OK to be liberal. The donors are being charitable. Don’t confuse this with the political climate of liberals wanting to legislate wealth re-distribution through forced taxation.

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  • sick n tired
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:38pm

    Cain – Santorum. Rick Santorum will pull more Catholics over to the Cain presidency, away from Obama, and will give President Cain a respected former U.S. Senator who can help him get his legislation through the Congress.

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  • Bumpire
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 6:47pm

    @V-Man Mace

    You won’t vote for a federal reserve agent, but you are willing to vote for a complete and total nut job, Ron Paul. That’s amusing. LOL

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  • V-MAN MACE
    Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:35pm

    Your characterization of Ron Paul is hysterically unoriginal propaganda.

    Ron Paul 2012.

    His record speaks for itself.

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  • OpenRevolt
    Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:18am

    READ THIS AND SPREAD THE INFO IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW CAIN:

    On CNN Cain explained his 9-9-9 plan is about redistributing wealth, power, and businesses of Americans to blacks and special interest groups with “Empowerment Zones” where black dominated areas like Detroit would not be taxed 9-9-9, but 3-3-3 or less:

    SEE THE VIDEO:http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2011/10/14/cain-blows-up-999-plan-with-empowerment-zones/

    Get the truth out before the Republican Obama destorys America!

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