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Herman Cain Says Jesus Was ‘a Perfect Conservative’ Who Was Condemned By a ‘Liberal Court’

Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:06am by Billy Hallowell
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Herman Cain Says Jesus Christ Is the Perfect Conservative

Last December, GOP presidential contender Herman Cain penned an interesting article about Jesus Christ that has been resurrected (no pun intended) and is getting some attention in the blogosphere. Published just five days before Christmas, the piece claims that Jesus was “a perfect conservative” and that “he…changed the world for the better.”

In his article, Cain goes on to explain, though, the reasons why he believes that to be true. He writes:

He helped the poor without one government program. He healed the sick without a government health care system. He [fed] the hungry without food stamps. And everywhere He went, it turned into a rally, attracting large crowds, and giving them hope, encouragement and inspiration.

For three years He was unemployed, and never collected an unemployment check. Nevertheless, he completed all the work He needed to get done. He didn’t travel by private jet. He walked and sailed, and sometimes traveled on a donkey.

Herman Cain Says Jesus Christ Is the Perfect Conservative

These certainly are some intriguing comparisons. During Jesus’ life, government programs weren’t what they are today. And while Jesus was unemployed, there were many along the way who likely offered their hospitality to him and his disciples. Still, the facts behind these notions, from a Christian perspective, are accurate.

Cain also covers the fact that Jesus wasn’t born to a royal family, although he left a “royal impression on the world.” Additionally, he says that Christ learned all of the world’s ways without becoming of the world.” In addressing condemnation, the successful businessman writes that Jesus never attacked what others believed in. Instead, he focused upon sin, evil and corruption.

In discussing Jesus’ death, Cain writes that he was arrested and taken to jail without being read his Miranda Rights. The “liberal court,” Cain says, found Jesus guilty of false offenses and then sentenced him to death. Interestingly, he then delves into the world‘s attempts to erase Jesus’ impact since his death:

For over 2,000 years the world has tried hard to erase the memory of the perfect conservative, and His principles of compassion, caring and common sense. [...]

The attacks are disguised as political correctness, or a misunderstanding of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Separation of Church and State does not mean Separation of Church from State. The State cannot impose Church on the people, but the people can display and say as much Church in the public square as they desire.

Obviously these statements — especially those that assert that Jesus was a conservative — serve as a source of frustration to those on the religious left who would argue the contrary.

In responding to these claims, the leftist Faith in Public Life (FPL) wrote that some of Cain’s examples presented in the article are “self-evidently silly.” In addressing the fact that Cain said Jesus had principles of common sense, FPL writes:

Now Herman Cain is a minister, and I only had eighteen years of religious education, but I‘m pretty sure Jesus’s principles were anything but common sense. In fact, in my recollection, they were the complete opposite. The story of the Gospel is Jesus openly challenging the prevailing norms, social structures, and power dynamics of his day and turning them on their heads with a radical message of humility, non-violence, selflessness and faith in the seemingly impossible.

Herman Cain Says Jesus Christ Is the Perfect Conservative

Speaking to another point, ThinkProgress can’t fathom why Cain called the court that sentenced Jesus to death “liberal.” TP’s Zaid Jilani writes:

Cain does not explain why he finds the Roman court that sentenced and executed Jesus to be “liberal.” But his claim is baffling for all kinds of reasons, only one of which is the fact that liberals tend to be ideologically opposed to capital punishment while conservatives tend to favor it.

Regardless of negative reaction stemming from it, the column sheds further light on Cain’s views on Christianity and freedom of religion in America. On Tuesday, we brought you a piece delving deeply into his faith background. Cain’s church, Antioch Baptist Church North, is widely regarded as liberal — a fact that is surprising when considering Cain’s staunch conservatism.

“You know, I don’t wear my Christian faith, which has been my faith since I was 10 years old, on my forehead,” Cain said in a recent interview with the Associated Press. ”But people can see it on my website and when they read my credentials they can see I’m a staunch Christian conservative, and they are saying ‘wait a minute.”’

His faith, it seems, is just making its way into the forefront of the media and political scenes this week.

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Comments (622)

This_Individual
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:33am
I’m not even Christian and I find it in bad taste to use Jesus as a political tool. Ron Paul has more respect for his religion and his God, while being consistent on the matters at hand.
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- KTsayz
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:49am
  This Individual, I couldn’t agree more. That the blaze is promoting this kind of message has me question its motives. Are blaze journos so blinded by their adoration for Cain that they can‘t see how he is abusing Jesus’ good name? I’m really rather shocked. I find Cain more disgusting with each post they put up on him.
- litrex18
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:11am
  silly, this is an old article, certainly doesn’t seem to be intended to be used as a “political tool”.
  Maybe see who and why it is being resurrected before you condemn.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:15am
  It was from an article written nearly a year ago and had nothing to do with politics, other than it was a response against all the idiot liberals claims about how Jesus was both gay and a liberal. And since Cain was a minister, it was his right and his duty to speak the truth.
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- qpwillie
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:17am
  But then, the Paulies think Ron Paul is the savior of the world so we can’t put a lot of stock in their opinions.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:17am
  I agree with most of your points here Cain, Jesus probably was conservative, just not a neoconservative like you. Can you imagine Jesus saying, we need to prevent our enemies from attacking us by attacking them first?
- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:17am
  [KTsayz
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:49am
  This Individual, I couldn’t agree more. That the blaze is promoting this kind of message has me question its motives. Are blaze journos so blinded by their adoration for Cain that they can‘t see how he is abusing Jesus’ good name?]
  
  How exactly was Christ’s good name abused by tellng the truth about him? Christ is conservative. Period. End of story. And Christ believes in personal giving, not government forced giving. You are wrong Cain is right, blaze is right, blaze posters are mostly right. You are wrong.
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- JMorcan
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:18am
  It’s not just bad taste, it’s blasphemy. These people have no moral foundation from which to invoke Jesus’ name for their cause.
- sWampy
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:18am
  Religion and politics go hand in hand, good vs evil is what both are based on. He is right, Jesus would never have taken from those not willing to give, and that is the only thing liberals know how to do.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:20am
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:17am
  I agree with most of your points here Cain, Jesus probably was conservative, just not a neoconservative like you. Can you imagine Jesus saying, we need to prevent our enemies from attacking us by attacking them first?]
  
  I see God and his Son Christ telling the evil people that they will be destroyed, by fire, eyes falling from their sockets, plagues, etc. So yes, I can see exactly that, because it has already been stated clearly, in the scriptures. The enemies will be removed, without a doubt, when the time is right. With or without a first strike from the enemy.
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- Miguelito
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:22am
  I am a Christian and I have no problem with Herman Cain’s statement. Politically correct..no, the truth..yes!
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- ChiefGeorge
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:23am
  This is bad taste on Cains part! I will vot for Cain though as he is the only man who can beat BHO. Just being honest even though I will support him. He is obviously not thinking this through with regard what he is doing to our Lord and Saviour.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:27am
  Cain is the perfect pharisee. He wants to identify with Jesus by pointing out that he wouldn’t FORCE us to give, all the while sitting as the FEDERAL RESERVE chairman FORCING us to give to foreign countries by diluting our money.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcLORhcSri0
  
  Also, FORCING us to give by creating MORE revenue for the government to work with in his 9-9-9 plan.
- poverty.sucks
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:31am
  Christianity is offensive, God our father creator excludes those who choose not to follow Him. The unbelief is a conscience choice to be deceived. The Noahic covenant authorized the taking of life. When you look over History, you can see Gods plan, he knew the Liberal courts would execute Jesus, thus providing our salvation. The liberalism that followed, assasinated all those who witnessed the presence of Jesus Christ after the resurrection.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:32am
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:27am
  Cain is the perfect pharisee. He wants to identify with Jesus by pointing out that he wouldn’t FORCE us to give, all the while sitting as the FEDERAL RESERVE chairman FORCING us to give to foreign countries by diluting our money.]
  
  What idiotic crackpot extremist BS you spew. Seek mental health aid, quickly.
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- obama-mecca-me-sick
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:33am
  I love Hermain Cain …
  YES WE CAIN ! YES WE CAIN ! YES WE CAIN !
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- gfmucci
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:34am
  What makes me a little ill is the concept people have of religion that it should be kept private. What the heck kind of belief system is that that one must keep it to himself? If we truly believe something is true it seems to me insane that such would be kept private, i.e. between me and God. That would be more selfish than anything. It is like seeing someone trying to defy gravity by jumping off a building and keeping the concept of gravity to yourself when you have the chance to inform that individual of the effects of gravity. I, too, realize that Cains comments were anacrhonistic, but he made his point using those absurdities, which was his purpose. I, personally prefer to use more rational analogies, but the absurd gets laughs and makes the point.
  
  How were his executers liberal? They were driven by a mob mentality. Occupy Wall Street on steroids.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:35am
  Kmic
  
  Your post represents a lack of understanding that most christians have today. Jesus was speaking of an eternal judgement by our creator, not His followers. In the Old testiment, Isreal was God’s theocracy to show us a window into his plan to come. In the new testiment, Jesus transitions God’s salvation to all, so we no longer “fight against flesh and blood, but against principalities of darkness….” Jesus preached to LOVE your enemies, and turn the other cheeck. In the Law (old test) we were taught that it is JUSTICE to live by EYE FOR AN EYE but if we want to follow JESUS who gives us GRACE we live by TURN THE OTHER CHEECK or PRAY FOR THOSE WHO HATE YOU. Yes, those who are evil will perish, but while we are here on earth, we must strive to show them God’s love in order that they may too become set free. Sorry, but that is as good as I can explain in a short post.
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- Islesfordian
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:35am
  Jesus was neither a liberal nor a conservative. He was, He IS the Son of God. That’s quite a bit bigger than earthly politics.
  
  Liberalism is derived from the teachings of Christ, but only SOME of them, and goes astray when it forgets the other teachings, like those on sin, and when it thinks that these truths can be realized in any earthly kingdom without the direct rule of Christ. Conservatism likewise is founded on Biblical truths but is inapplicable to the kingdom of God as THAT kingdom will have no need of any ruler other than God because sin and evil will be extinguished.
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- poverty.sucks
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:38am
  Liberal courts favor evil nature.
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- grandma7
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:40am
  I’m sorry to say this, but I’m stunned at the Ron Paul people, here. I like most of what Ron Paul has to say, but each day I see his supporters, on the Blaze, behaving horribly. They attack good people for disagreeing with them, they attack Herman Cain for something long before a presidential run, they jump in making statements that have nothing to do with the article and throw Paul’s name in, they are turning me off of Ron Paul and I’d rethink my strategy, if I were them.
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:41am
  “He helped the poor without one government program. He healed the sick without a government health care system. He [fed] the hungry without food stamps.”
  
  Ha! So, by this logic, nearly everyone in history was a conservative, because what we understand as the modern welfare state is a relatively recent invention. That’s like saying there were no doctors before the 20th century because no one knew about chemotherapy.
  
  But no… maybe I like this comparison. It just goes to show the magical thinking behind Conservativism–the idea that somehow food, medical care and help from the poor will just magically appear, and no one has to pay for them! If you’re a Roman bureaucrat, you don’t have to worry about government health care! There’s a guy with sandals walking around laying on hands and fixing the problem for you! No food stamps needed, because this same guy is simply making food multiply! The invisible hand of the market solves everything! (If by market you mean an ascetic Jewish mystic son-of-God who is just giving away free food and healthcare!)
  
  Now that’s what I call voodoo economics!!!
- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:46am
  Grandma
  We have to talk about Paul somewhere because no media writes about him.
  
  Sorry, but look through the posts, the name calling comes from those who are against Paul.
  
  The only name calling I did was calling Cain a pharisee, which I too am guilty of. I was just trying to make a point, sorry if that offended you.
  
  But I will not keep silent for the candidate who is high in polls but the media ignores. When they give him more face time you will see a lot less Paul supporters discussing in other topics.
- Mr. Oshawott
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:46am
  @This Individual & KTSayz
  
  You’re both right on this matter. Herman Cain has really sank deeper into the abyss using Jesus for political expediency and to politically attack his opponenets. Yet, many of the Blazers can’t get past their idolatry towards Herman to see that. It really is that disheartening.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:47am
  [Islesfordian
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:35am
  Jesus was neither a liberal nor a conservative. He was, He IS the Son of God. That’s quite a bit bigger than earthly politics.]
  
  You made some good points but also some bad points. Conservatism can be totally compatible to the kingdom of God. And conservatism is not just about politics and leadership. In fact, pure conservatism is about live and let live and being personally responsible and freely giving to help others when in need. Why would these things have to stop in the kingdom of God? They don’t. And what liberal traits did Christ have? I say, none.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:53am
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:35am
  Kmic
  
  Your post represents a lack of understanding that most christians have today.]
  
  Not at all. You are preaching to the choir on the subject of individual neighborly kindness, turning the other cheek, walking an extra mile, helping each other, etc. But that is on an invidual basis. On a government basis, then to help the neighbor the best, you must, at times, and with great wisdom, defend yourself. And wisdom may dictate that the best defense is a good offense. I believe it is simplistic thinking that you wait until a strike before you strike. In a nuclear scenario, that would be suicide, leaving your own people to die. So no thanks, I and especially my God have more sense than that.
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- RabidPatriot
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:57am
  People have different definitions for what a conservative is. If you asked a liberal person, they would attach non-conservative behaviors to conservatism to further their hate. Jesus is what he is and no person or group will ever be able to match up. Liberal, progressive and secular humanist lifestyles are diametrically opposed to Jesus and his teachings. There mission is to fundamentally change religion and this country because it does not conform to their chosen lifestyles.
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- mad_hatter
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:59am
  Interesting, on CNN, Piers Morgan asked Cain who he most respects out of the candidates and guess who he said… Gingrich and Romney. ( http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/oct/cain_most_respect.html ) I could see a Romney/Cain 2012 ticket and I would go door to door across the country for a ticket like that. You want to fix the economy, that is the way.
  
  Funny also Cain said the person he least respected was Ron Paul… I don’t blame him. Now Ron Paul is on the attack against Herman Cain. So the rivalries are Perry vs. Romney, and Cain vs. Paul.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:59am
  [PubliusPencilman
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:41am
  “He helped the poor without one government program. He healed the sick without a government health care system. He [fed] the hungry without food stamps.”
  
  But no… maybe I like this comparison. It just goes to show the magical thinking behind Conservativism–the idea that somehow food, medical care and help from the poor will just magically appear, and no one has to pay for them!]
  
  Why do you liberals have to be such BS liars all the time. Or are you really that stupid about the Christian history outlined in the New Testament. Christ left Peter with this command, three times, FEED MY SHEEP. Elsewhere he encouraged the free giving of help to the poor and needy. James said pure religion was to visit (and help) the sick, poor, needy, fatherless, widows, ect.
  
  But what tripe do you come away with? That Christians imagine that the poor are aided by magic? Are you really that big of a buffoon and moron? Christians give real money in real tithing. They give real aid to real people.
  
  So blow it out your lying behind you foolish troll.
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- This_Individual
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:00pm
  GRANDMA- As most of us who agree with Ron Paul are individuals who are simply providing an opinion, any generalizing wouldn’t be fair. As you might agree, there are folks who treat this process as more of a “ my team is better than yours” situation, and cannot express themselves in a civil manner.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:02pm
  KM
  I am glad to read that you do love your neighbors and that I think closes the gap between us.
  
  However, would you have been the one who cut off the ear of the guard when they came to take Jesus away? Jesus said that what he was about wasn’t a kingdom on this earth, or else his angels would be there to protect him. He showed love even when they were killing him by forgiving them. We all die sometime, why not go out trying to love someone rather than trying to kill them.
  
  I will obey my government as much as possible, as long as it doesn’t go against my ultimate kingdom, but killing is not part of the plan. Just because it is Government doing it, doesn’t make it right.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:04pm
  “So blow it out your lying behind you foolish troll.”
  
  ….and here I thought you loved your neighbor. I guess that is only if he agrees with you. The gap has reopened :)
- warriorspirit
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:06pm
  Jesus IMO was not a true liberal or conservative. Some of his beliefs are very liberal and yet others where very conservative. A true mixed bag if you will. As for this article it is old info but does give some idea into Cain’s thinking about this topic. Myself I am not religious person; I am simply spiritual (I believe in a higher power but feel organized religion is just another way for a small group of people to try and control a large group of people same as a Government does). I do hope Cain does not get too much into the Jesus thing (I don’t think he will) in his campaign and just sticks to the topics that matter. As of right now Cain is my #1 followed by Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich.
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- tamalezebra
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:06pm
  This is an old article that Cain wrote. Someone is going through his trash and trying to “Palin” him. It’s going to get worse for Cain. The liberal are just getting warmed up. The gargoyles are out in force.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:11pm
  “But no… maybe I like this comparison. It just goes to show the magical thinking behind Conservativism–the idea that somehow food, medical care and help from the poor will just magically appear, and no one has to pay for them! If you’re a Roman bureaucrat, you don’t have to worry about government health care! There’s a guy with sandals walking around laying on hands and fixing the problem for you! No food stamps needed, because this same guy is simply making food multiply! The invisible hand of the market solves everything! (If by market you mean an ascetic Jewish mystic son-of-God who is just giving away free food and healthcare!)”
  
  this is amazingly ignorant…but considering the source…its expected…
  
  liberals are the ones who think their magic government programs will cure hunger, or cure poverty…and they don’t worry about the cost…they just assume the serfs will continue to work to pay for their generosity.
  
  Conservatives know the magic guvmint savior programs don’t work…and they cost an enormous amount of money….
  
  delusional
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- Fantastic Four
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:13pm
  People are just trying to bring down the man that wants to “BRING DOWN THE SYSTEM”
  
  9-9-9 may not be super perfect but its much better than the almost 72,000 pages of POLITICAL LOOPHOLES and the 1.5 million regulations that are in out TAX CODE. Just think no more lobbyist trying to BUY special rules from corrupt politicians. No more TAX day no more audits no more FEAR of the Government IRS trying to take what you have earned no more NO MORE NO MORE. Wy does the establishemnt (R)(D) trying to shoot it down because they want to keep their special favors to make them rich on the back of American Citizens.
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- Islesfordian
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:14pm
  @Kmichael
  “Conservatism can be totally compatible to the kingdom of God. ”
  
  Not the REEALIZED kingdom of God. Conservatism is about limited human government. There is no limit of God’s rule when HE reigns. Conservatism is about the most righteous and just rule down here on earth where sin and evil still are realities, where crime exists and must be punished, where tyranny is possible and must be resisted. Those realities won‘t exist in God’s kingdom.
  
  As for what parts of liberalism is compatible with Christianity: the good parts obviously. All men are created equal is a liberal principle.
  
  I think the problem lies in the confusion of Progressive with Liberal. Old style liberals were continuations of the Enlightenment guided Founding Fathers. The Enlightenment itself would not have happened without Christianity, so many of its pronciples are inherently Christian. Where it, and liberalsim goes awry is in thinking the realities made possible through Christianity can exist naturally without Christ. It errs in thinking we can be sinless without God or that we can evolve beyond the need for God. Progressivism recognizes the flaws of liberalism: That man is not naturally perfect and needs to be perfected, but it substitutes the State for God, creating the new man with its utopian and revolutionary schemes. There is the same amount of Biblical truth in it as there is in any heresy, a little truth mixed with falsehood.
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- theaveng
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:15pm
  If the Bible story is an accurate story*, Jesus was placed on trial by a Jewish *conservative* court trying to protect their belief system and executed by a Roman Governor trying to preserve the peace. To describe them as “liberal” makes no logical sense.
  
  *
  * The new testament books were written 50 years after Jesus death, by men who had never met him. It is probably as fictional as the tale written about Jesus being a teenager, and killing one of his playmates (from the Gospel of Thomas). Or the story about George Washington chopping down cherry trees and saying “I cannot tell a lie.” You cannot write an accurate account of someone 50 years after their death.
- lemmings4obama
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:16pm
  This article was written in December 2010, Cain announce presidential bid May 21, 2011. Just because you just now found out about the article doesn’t mean it just happened and that Cain is using Jesus to get elected. I often see articles written by political writers on the left on how “Jesus was a democrat,” this is probably Cain’s response to those people. Assuming anything else is injecting your own opinion into a logical response.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:27pm
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:02pm
  KM
  I am glad to read that you do love your neighbors and that I think closes the gap between us.
  
  However, would you have been the one who cut off the ear of the guard when they came to take Jesus away? Jesus said that what he was about wasn’t a kingdom on this earth, or else his angels would be there to protect him. He showed love even when they were killing him by forgiving them. We all die sometime, why not go out trying to love someone rather than trying to kill them.
  
  I will obey my government as much as possible, as long as it doesn’t go against my ultimate kingdom, but killing is not part of the plan. Just because it is Government doing it, doesn’t make it right.]
  
  You are welcom to your belief but a government that does not defend it’s citizens is just unwise and generally stupid. That shows a lack of love for your neighbor and I will never abide by that foolishness.
  
  And since, as you say, everyone dies, then what is the big deal about sending evil people on to their next phase? Especially if that is the only way to protect your citizens?
  
  And by all means, make war a last resort. I am fine with that. But to make it a never resort is sure suicide and or murdering of your own people by negligance.
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- BrandyWilson
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:30pm
  Ron Paul has NO USE FOR JESUS!…Cain was 100% correct!…Just because you have no use for Jesus either….Leave Herman alone…He is telling the truth!
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- booger71
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:30pm
  I long for the day when all we had to fight was the Huffpo’s. The Paulista’s are much more nasty in their attacks.
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- motonutt
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:31pm
  I Love Hermin…..This guy has got some wisdom. I just wish he would re-think his fed. tax, that is a bad idea. I know what he’s thinking it get everyone to pay tax, but there has got to be another way.
  
  I could just see Little Chucky Schumer and Bloomerber out there at Jesuses trial condeming Him.
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- countrysideflair
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:34pm
  I’m not religious and frankly I find it refreshing to see a man stand, for once, for what he believes.
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- VerySeniorCitizen
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:35pm
  Oh, Herman, I didn’t know there were such things as govrnment programs back in the day! and the MAN supposedly had stronger powers than others to heal the sick and feed the hungry. Too bad you don’t have his powers Herman!
- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:39pm
  Yo Pencilman:
  I’m with Kmichaels and Joe….sorry… well not really. It is amazing to me how comments like yours can be so right and at the same time be COMPLETELY wrong. You are a great example of the intellegence of men lacking the wisdom of God….. you may not like that being said, but it is indeed what YOU choose. God does not condem you… you condem yourself, God just justly judges that for all of us.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:40pm
  KM
  I understand to protect others from attacks, but those other countries are “neighbors” as well. So we must only protect if need be. Far from what Cain and most other republicans believe.
  
  Brandy
  
  What a horrible thing to say. Paul credits his faith for the policies he advocates. I believe he follows Jesus’s teachings closer than any other candidate.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:40pm
  [Islesfordian
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:14pm
  @Kmichael
  “Conservatism can be totally compatible to the kingdom of God. ”
  
  Not the REEALIZED kingdom of God. Conservatism is about limited human government. There is no limit of God’s rule when HE reigns.]
  
  I disagree. God teaches his people to rule themselves, by abiding by his laws. This is strict self rule, when possible. If additional ruling is needed, then it comes from him, which concept does not go against conservatism.
  
  [Conservatism is about the most righteous and just rule down here on earth where sin and evil still are realities, where crime exists and must be punished, where tyranny is possible and must be resisted. Those realities won‘t exist in God’s kingdom.]
  
  Then one has to wonder what God meant when he stated that the righteous would sit with him from his throne (leadership position). I know what it means. Do you?
  
  Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
  
  Notice Christ is talking about his followers (easily numbering in the millions) that overcome, will sit with him on his Father’s throne.
  
  So what say you? Playing XBox for eternity or sitting on a throne of leadership? King of Kings?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:40pm
  Well, chalk this up as another thing Herman Cain has gotten wrong. A politician or radio host trying to use Jesus Christ‘s name for their political career or Radio program should be ashamed of themselves and it shows just how desperate and pathetic some people are to try and use God’s name for their “cause”.
  
  What kind of Church did Herman Cain go to?
- keithh1981
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:40pm
  KTsayz, I do not know what your problem is? The Blaze reported the the issue. They do a great job of leaving their opinion out of their news story. You want opinions in a news story telling you how you should feel go to MSNBC.com. You will find plenty.
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- OpenRevolt
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:41pm
  Cain is using Jesus just like progressives do because he secretly is one!
  
  His 9-9-9 plan is really 3-3-3 for blacks and would “encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there. It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.”
  
  That’s right, racist-commie-socialist Cain wants to tax you based on your neighborhood’s skin color and empower minorities through wealth and power redistribution.
  
  See the CNN interview here:
  
  http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2011/10/14/cain-blows-up-999-plan-with-empowerment-zones/
- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:43pm
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:04pm
  “So blow it out your lying behind you foolish troll.”
  
  ….and here I thought you loved your neighbor. I guess that is only if he agrees with you. The gap has reopened :)]
  
  Pencilman is a paid troll, and a purposeful liar. So I called him a fool and a hypocrite, so to speak. Should I start picking out the motes in your eye for you?
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- Islesfordian
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:44pm
  “The new testament books were written 50 years after Jesus death, by people who had never met him (they weren’t even born when Jesus was alive). ”
  
  No serious scholar believes that. The strongest historical evidence shows that they were written either by eyewitnesss or those with access to eyewitness testimony and within the living memory of the apostles. Most scholars believe that the synoptics, Matthew Mark and Luke, were written before 70AD. Paul’s letters were written between 45 and 65 AD. John may have been written between 60 and 80 AD.
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- marybethelizabeth
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:46pm
  Mr. Beck is constantly doing the same thing. Yesterday Pat Gray was using Christ as a character in one of his comedic commentaries. Neither he nor Mr. Beck display proper God-fearing reverence.
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- Uncle Tom
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:50pm
  JMiller,
  
  KMichaels has a grotesquely twisted understanding of who Jesus is, so it is a waste of time to try reasoning with her.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:51pm
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:40pm
  KM
  I understand to protect others from attacks, but those other countries are “neighbors” as well. So we must only protect if need be. Far from what Cain and most other republicans believe.]
  
  Obviously, your hate for republicans leads you to assume that most republicans, and or Cain, are suggesting random attacks of other countries for no purpose. We do not do any such thing. You are simply wrong in that assumption.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:57pm
  [VerySeniorCitizen
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:35pm
  Oh, Herman, I didn’t know there were such things as govrnment programs back in the day! and the MAN supposedly had stronger powers than others to heal the sick and feed the hungry. Too bad you don’t have his powers Herman!]
  
  Christ told his followers that “greater works than I have done, ye shall do.”
  
  Conservatives today provide jobs for millions, and give charity freely, ten times more than the average liberal.
  
  So VeryLyingSenior, nobody believes your liberal nonsense. Not even you.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:01pm
  “What kind of Church did Herman Cain go to? ”
  
  a real christian church, you know one that believes in the trinity…
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- Lemon Party Patriot
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:02pm
  This isn’t a fair comparison because Jesus had magic powers and could spawn food and cast heals.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:02pm
  [stopspendingourmoney
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:56pm
  Herman Cain is unelectable and his 999 plan has more holes in it than Swiss cheese, Ron Paul’s plan is much better]
  
  Cain has 300 percent more support amongst potential voters than Paul has so far. Methinks thou doth protest TOO MUCH.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:02pm
  km
  
  I have much more in common with republicans than any other party (except for libertarian which as Reagan said is at the heart of the republican message) I have no hate for republicans. I get the notion though, that this new neocon mentality that we must go and police other countries (all other candidates at debate said we must keep aiding at least some foreign countries and that we must tell others what weapons they can and cannot have) They all (except paul) buy into this fallacy that we are safer by invading countries preemptively and setting up other dictators, such as Iran. This does not make us safer, it is much more dangerous and perpetuates the hate.
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:12pm
  Yo Okie:
  Peace… I to do not like the labeling, but he certainly understood what Jesus did and how he did it. Did you read it, if so I would wonder why you would be against that. I can see people asking Jesus… are you a liberal or conservative? Jesus laughs a bit; and says I am truth. And that is all he would need to say. Those that have eyes would see and those that do not would ask; well, what does that mean?
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:19pm
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:02pm
  km
  
  I have much more in common with republicans than any other party (except for libertarian which as Reagan said is at the heart of the republican message) I have no hate for republicans.]
  
  Good for you to say such, but you bearing false witness against the majority of republicans does your image no good. I understand you like Paul, therefore you have libertarian leanings. Your choice. I just think it is a foolish choice.
  
  And I think that Paul comes across as kind of goofy, and I believe that is a concensus view. While consensus does not determine truth, it does determine who gets elected.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:19pm
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:02pm
  km
  
  I have much more in common with republicans than any other party (except for libertarian which as Reagan said is at the heart of the republican message) I have no hate for republicans.]
  
  Good for you to say such, but you bearing false witness against the majority of republicans does your image no good. I understand you like Paul, therefore you have libertarian leanings. Your choice. I just think it is a foolish choice.
  
  And I think that Paul comes across as kind of goofy, and I believe that is a concensus view. While consensus does not determine truth, it does determine who gets elected.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:21pm
  Here is the description of Cain’s Church….Liberal…
  
  “Antioch has developed a strong social justice component to its ministry over the years”
  
  “Jesse Jackson, among other controversial civil rights leaders, has been invited to speak to the congregation in the past.”
  
  “The spirit of Antioch is said to be open, despite the overwhelmingly politically liberal ideology that many there hold.”
  
  When it comes to race, Robinson says that Cain‘s views aren’t simplistic. In fact, he says that Cain has privately admitted that racism is a problem. “He knows there’s racism in the tea party, but he’ll never say that because they are his supporters,” Robinson says. “That bothers a lot of people, but he plays to that base not because he’s a sellout but because he’s a politician.”
- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:21pm
  And those of your who insist that you are disagreeing with me merely argue that Jesus preached charity, except that does not get us any closer to the Conservative/Liberal argument. Most of your arguments are based on some stupid idea that Liberals hate charity and that the idea of charitable giving is inherently Conservative. Although studies have shown that Conservatives tend to give more per person, taht by no means proves that giving itself is Conservative.
  
  In the end, it’s magical thinking to assume that somehow things will end up alright if no one paid taxes, or if no social support was offered, etc.
- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:32pm
  [PubliusPencilman
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:21pm
  
  In the end, it’s magical thinking to assume that somehow things will end up alright if no one paid taxes, or if no social support was offered, etc.]
  
  Typical straw man argument from pencilman. Again, as if this were never explained to you multliple times, conservatives believe in reasonable taxation. And they believe in social support. However, we do not believe in FORCED GOVERNMENTAL social support. We easily and clearly support society our way. And our way is lots of charity, freely given, with a plan to teach the poor to fish, instead of the dead end plan of giving the poor new fish, each and every day, which is enonomic suicide.
  
  Any questions, you constant false witness?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:42pm
  @4Truth2All
  
  How are you friend? Hope well!
  
  Jesus would simply laugh at either saying or asking if he was conservative or liberal for both divide and Jesus unites.
  
  I am against saying Jesus was conservative because it’s like saying Jesus was just a Baptist, or just a Methodist, or just a Catholic or just a Mormon.
  
  The differences in Liberals or Conservatives is the matter of Government and both Liberal and Conservative can love and serve Jesus Christ.
  
  To politicize Christ is shameful.
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:45pm
  Yo pencilman:
  It’s NOT “magical” it’s Gods way. How can you argue against perfection???????????????????????????????????????
  
  When everybody gives… everybody gets
  Gives ~~~~ not taken
  You tell God YOU know how to do things better them him….. what utter foolishness.
  You don‘t want God’s “paradise”…. you choose the slime pit of men….
  you will get what you want some day… No God, the slime pit… becaues God gives men the desires of their hearts! I hope you wake up, I really mean that.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:51pm
  Km
  
  I don’t think I am misrepresenting the other candidates. If their policy isn‘t to control what other countries can and can’t do, why do they all jump on Paul saying we have no business to go into Iran? And that we shouldn’t be giving our money to other countries, even Isreal? If their policy isn’t to police the world, they have a hard time communicating their message.
  
  On another topic, how do you defend the “empowerment zone”? http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2011/10/14/cain-blows-up-999-plan-with-empowerment-zones/
  Looks like more winner picking to me. I am trying to understand how this man is, in any way, conservative. What government agencies is he willing to cut? Why did he vote for TARP? Why did he think auditing the Fed was “stupid”? I’m open to rational explanation, but this makes no sense to me.
- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:56pm
  [Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:42pm
  @4Truth2All
  
  How are you friend? Hope well!
  
  Jesus would simply laugh at either saying or asking if he was conservative or liberal for both divide and Jesus unites.]
  
  Contrary to what you are saying, Jesus divides. He divides the light from the dark and the good from the evil. He came, not to bring peace to the world, but a two edged sword, where brother will contend against brother.
  
  Is Christ peaceful? Yes. Does truth bring peace? Only if everyone accepts truth, which we are told will not happen. Why, because God does not will it? No, but because Christ stands at the door, waiting for your knock, but not everyone will knock, that is pure fact.
  
  Straight is the gate and narrow is the way and few there be that find it.
  
  Does Jesus unite in one sense? Sure, he unites the good. And then what happens? Well, since evil is real, and still exists, will evil put up a fight? Sure they will. That is what we have today. A battle between good and evil.
  
  Is this then to say that those that are good cannot mostly be conservative, while those that are evil are mostly libreal? Well, setting PC aside, that is exactly what the truth is. And the truth is, we have a conservative minded God. Only he is perfect. So if you say is God like worldy conservatives, full of sin and weakness? No, he is perfect. Why fear saying he is conservative? There is no point.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:00pm
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:51pm
  Km
  
  I don’t think I am misrepresenting the other candidates. If their policy isn‘t to control what other countries can and can’t do, why do they all jump on Paul saying we have no business to go into Iran? ]
  
  Pauls isolationism is bad unworkable and unreasonable policy. It would never work and should never work. And our goal is not to CONTROL other countries, but to defend against other countries. If Iran wants to blow themselves up, they are free to do it. However, if they had nukes, you can take my word as gosple fact, they would not be looking to use them on theirselves. So we are talking about defense. And isolationism makes for poor defense in any thoughtful mind.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:06pm
  @KMichaels
  
  What does Satan do then if Jesus divides us?
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- Islesfordian
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:11pm
  @Kmichael
  
  “God teaches his people to rule themselves, by abiding by his laws. This is strict self rule, when possible.”
  
  But that’s just it. It is never possible. that’s why Jesus came to die to give us new life. If we could be made righteous through the law there was no need for him to die.
  
  “one has to wonder what God meant when he stated that the righteous would sit with him from his throne (leadership position). I know what it means. Do you?”
  
  The righteous are those who abide in him and live by his Spirit. Conservatives do not arrange human governemnt by examining a man’s soul. We have minimal standards of righteousness and justice here. Beyond that is tyranny. But in the kingdom of God such tyranny is not oppressive because Jesus is a righteous ruler and our wills are no longer at war with God.
  
  In God’s kingdom murderers can be forgiven. St. Paul was. Should conservatives advocate forgiveness over the punishment of evil as a policy for government? I don’t know any that do. i know plenty of liberals that do.They don’t understand that down here LAW must dominate while up there GRACE is king.
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- symphonic
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:11pm
  Cain believes in a DIFFERENT Jesus.
  
  Jesus was not a conservative. He was a liberal. Liberal to all, even the sinner. Jesus was nice, helpful, friendly, generous, serving… Cain is trying to justify his disdain for the POOR. Plain and simple. He is abusing the message of Jesus Christ who cared not for the “success” of people, but certainly championed the widow‘s MITE and the heart that went along with that woman’s sacrifice (she has cast in more than they all…)
- Supercalafragalisticexpialidotious
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:17pm
  I find this hilariously awesome. It must be driving the religious liberals nuts.
  
  Sorry, I don’t see this as particularly offensive- I see it as heartfelt, and an admission that he is trying, in his own way, to lead a Christ-like life. Which is the goal for every Christian, ne?
  
  I think people are too uptight. :) I’ve always just laughed off the liberals who claim Jesus was liberal- meh, if Cain wants to say he’s conservative, he’s welcome to make that argument. :) You’re welcome to be disgusted, or whatever else. I’m welcome to find it hilariously awesome.
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- jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:21pm
  Km
  
  We use nukes to defend, why couldn’t it be that Iran would use them to defend.
  
  Talking about misrepresenting, Paul is not isolationist, as you and so many others accuse him of. He would continue to trade with Iran just like we did the Soviets. This is not isolationism, you call him that because if you called him non interventionist (which is what he is) you would have to identify yourself as for intervention. If Israel sees them as an immediate threat, they would have no problem taking them out. Israel has said many times that they don’t need our help, if we would just leave them alone they could make their own decisions. But no, we stand with Israel, while secretly funding their enemies through the military industrial complex. It is all a scam, just like the bailouts. WAKE UP!
- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:21pm
  @KMichaels
  
  Have you ever read George Washington’s farewell address?
  
  Ron Paul is not an isolationist. If you are a believer in Christ as you say then be honest and do not lie or misrepresent.
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- koyettsu
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:26pm
  Liberals are constantly calling Jesus a liberal, I see nothing wrong with someone pointing out their point of view in the opposite side of the spectrum. Stop using the Blaze as a Ron Paul campaign advertisement board and grow up a bit. This kind of nonsense is why I am not supporting Ron Paul this time around.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:27pm
  [Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:06pm
  @KMichaels
  
  What does Satan do then if Jesus divides us?]
  
  Did you read my entire comment or were you looking for buzz words? Go back, read my answer. It includes both good and evil. In short, good unites with good and evil unites with evil. Good has the power and evil is self-destructive. There is a definite loser in this scenario and it will be evil.
  
  Numbers wise, straight is the gait, narrow is the way, and few there be that find it.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:32pm
  [Islesfordian
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:11pm
  @Kmichael
  
  “God teaches his people to rule themselves, by abiding by his laws. This is strict self rule, when possible.”
  
  But that’s just it. It is never possible. that’s why Jesus came to die to give us new life. If we could be made righteous through the law there was no need for him to die.]
  
  As the scriptures say, “All things are possible with God.”
  
  You are taking a bit of a negative outlook, (in one sense). Of course self-rule is possible, IF. If what? If we accept Gods way. Is it possible that some will accept God’s way? Of course, many have and many will. And these sort? Will they eventually learn self-rule? Of course they will. Why? Because they have chosen God/Christ as their example. What manner of men ought we to be? Even as Christ. So says the scriptures. “Be ye therefore perfect, even as thy Father in heaven is perfect.” Again, so says the scripture.
  
  So, should we dwell on the negative and harp about how imperfect we are? I say, no. Have faith, understand that with God’s help you can become perfect, and you can learn self rule. God is with us. We will succeed.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:43pm
  [ISLESFORDIAN: "In God’s kingdom murderers can be forgiven. St. Paul was. Should conservatives advocate forgiveness over the punishment of evil as a policy for government?"]
  
  You can bet your bottom dollar that most conservatives would be fine with forgiveness IF. If what? If the murderer truly repented. Does this mean no punishment for murderers? It depends. Number one, does the punishment change the murderer? God’s plan of forgiveness does not mean, let murderers into heaven. It means, to change the heart of the murderer to where he is a murderer no more. Do you honestly think that God allows murderers into heaven? No, he does not. For the scritpures say that “no unclean thing can enter the kingdom of heaven.” What then does this mean? Can a past murderer be let in? Of course. If they have been made clean. Does this mean we just play a game of make believe and let in murderers that are murderers still? God forbid. It means we man up to reality and understand that there will be a time given to repent, either in this life or the next. And that when a person walks into heaven, he does so as a clean individual. One that will not murder. One that cannot murder. One that has truly repented of his sins, whether they be as red as scarlet. And therefore, heaven will forever be free of murderers, etc.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:48pm
  [symphonic
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:11pm
  Cain believes in a DIFFERENT Jesus.
  
  Jesus was not a conservative. He was a liberal. Liberal to all, even the sinner. Jesus was nice, helpful, friendly, generous, serving… Cain is trying to justify his disdain for the POOR. Plain and simple. He is abusing the message of Jesus Christ who cared not for the “success” of people, but certainly championed the widow‘s MITE and the heart that went along with that woman’s sacrifice (she has cast in more than they all…)]
  
  Complete and utter nonsense. Cain no more disdains the poor than Christ did. Both would say to the poor, if you are capable rise up and walk. Work with your might. Eat of your own bread. I will show you the way. If you are incapable of working, we will help you while you gain strength. We are your brothers. We will give of our own freely.
  
  Your judgement of Cain is simply bearing false witness. And with that same measurement of justice that you are so ready to hand out, you yourself will be judged. You condemn yourself for being so thoughtless in your analysis.
  
  And Christ cherished the widow because of her willingness to give. And conservatives are proven givers. Their charity rate is ten times that of liberals. You are nothing more than a very confused naive person.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:53pm
  [jmiller_42
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:21pm
  Km
  
  We use nukes to defend, why couldn’t it be that Iran would use them to defend.]
  
  Because that thought is foolishness. It is like saying to a ten time killer that here, we will allow you to have nuclear weapons but only if you promise to play nicely. It will never happen and it is a foolish risk to take.
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- Darren
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:54pm
  Okie;
  
  “Here is the description of Cain’s Church….Liberal…”
  
  LOL, you beat me to your own answer! :>)
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:54pm
  @KMichaels
  
  I understand exactly what you are saying but am afraid you are saying it incorrectly. Luke is where Christ said he came to divide and 5 in a house will be divided 3 for and 2 against. None of it was in reference to politics or division of Liberal vs Conservative. To say so is hijacking Christ’s message.
  
  Christ will divide in the aspect of he is the way and few will follow him. Satan will pull us one way while Christ is the true way.
  
  I say both Liberal and Conservative are pulling us all away from Christ. Yes parts of both messages have a little bit of Christ’s message in each but the overall message of both is greed, power, and lies. Christ is none of those.
  
  To use Christ to gain political voters is so shameful.
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- Faith1029
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:57pm
  “Are blaze journos so blinded by their adoration for Cain that they can‘t see how he is abusing Jesus’ good name?”
  
  Absolutley Herman Cain should bring up what Jesus would do. He is a minister and has every right to give his views. Taking Jesus out of everything is the reason our country is where it is today. Thank God for people who are not ashamed, not PC and are willing to take a stand for their faith. Jesus said, “If you deny Me, I will deny you before My Father which is in Heaven”. I’m with you Herman. You would make a great leader.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:59pm
  [Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:21pm
  @KMichaels
  
  Have you ever read George Washington’s farewell address?
  
  Ron Paul is not an isolationist. If you are a believer in Christ as you say then be honest and do not lie or misrepresent.]
  
  I believe that you are trusting in wishful thinking. Ron Paul comes across as an isolationist. Is he the most gung ho isolationist ever? No, but he is still an isolationist. I base this upon those things that he has publically stated. I stand with this opinion and it is honestly given to the best of my knowledge. I have no desire to bear false witness. I believe that this witness concerning this matter is true.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:06pm
  @Darren
  
  Hope you are doing good man!
  
  I find this funny! A “conservative” who attends a liberal church! Ha ha!
  
  Of course none of those “liberal” views Cain adopted but of course BO adopted all the views of Jeremiah Wright!???? How hypocritical are we?! Aren’t we “conservatives” consistent?
  
  I just find all this shameful.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:10pm
  [Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:54pm
  @KMichaels
  
  I understand exactly what you are saying but am afraid you are saying it incorrectly. Luke is where Christ said he came to divide and 5 in a house will be divided 3 for and 2 against. None of it was in reference to politics or division of Liberal vs Conservative. To say so is hijacking Christ’s message.
  
  Christ will divide in the aspect of he is the way and few will follow him. Satan will pull us one way while Christ is the true way.
  
  I say both Liberal and Conservative are pulling us all away from Christ. Yes parts of both messages have a little bit of Christ’s message in each but the overall message of both is greed, power, and lies. Christ is none of those.]
  
  I say you are wrong in your analysis for the most part. Not totally though. I already said, if you would read my complete answer, that Christ unites the good. I said that rather clearly. Perhaps you read too quickly. I also stated that because evil is good, whether you call it Satan or not, and that it too will be united together.
  
  Your major flaw is your assumption that this division will not follow a liberal/progressive vs conservative line. I say it will. I say truth combines with truth and that conservative ideals are exactly what Christ presented. Did he use that label. No. So what. It is still true under any label.
  
  To use Christ to gain political voters is so shameful.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:16pm
  PLEASE EXCUSE MY TYPO. I meant to say in my answer above that “because evil is real” not “because evil is good.” If I meant evil is good, then I would become as a liberal, speaking nonsense.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:19pm
  @KMichaels
  
  If you are a believer in Christ and do not want to bear false witness then stop saying Ron Paul is an isolationist. If it is just your opinion then you are admitting you could be wrong and do not know either way. You are just guessing according to your intelligence. Educate yourself so you can stop bearing false witness on the difference in isolationist and non-interventionist.
  
  Was George Washington an isolationist? NO. In fact, if you took the time to read his farewell address you would see the trouble we have today would not have occurred had we listened to him on foreign policy. He was non-interventionist. Learn the difference.
  
  Stop speaking Jesus was conservative and not liberal for political points. That too is bearing false witness.
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- Darren
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:30pm
  Okie;
  
  “Of course none of those “liberal” views Cain adopted but of course BO adopted all the views of Jeremiah Wright!???? How hypocritical are we?! Aren’t we “conservatives” consistent? ”
  
  That’s a good point but frankly I do not know nearly enough about Cain, nor his church attendence to form a decision as to why Cain attended the church he did. It could be that he has been focused on the faith aspect of his church tha the politics, while he obviously did not agree wit them, did not bother him to the point where he would wantto leave it. One person I’ve been blogging with for perhaps five years now, howbeit the majority of the time indirectly, is Catholic and very conservative. His parish, however, has adopted some of the more liberal components of American Catholicism. But I can assure you that he attends his parish for the spiritual blessings of church attendence; not for the politics he exposed to. This could be the same for Herman Cain.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:31pm
  @KMichaels
  
  Your under the assumption conservatives are not just as progressive as democrats! Both are progressive today. BOTH.
  
  Which group of political Romans did Jesus side with? NONE!
  
  Which group of political Jews did Jesus side with? NONE!
  
  You are trying to use Jesus for votes and that is wrong!
  
  You think under Christ he will rule as a “conservative”? Hahahahahaha that is hilarious. Christ will no more rule as Conservative then he would as Liberal. Jesus couldn’t careless which you are.
  
  STOP LYING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:32pm
  [Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:19pm
  @KMichaels
  
  Was George Washington an isolationist? NO. In fact, if you took the time to read his farewell address you would see the trouble we have today would not have occurred had we listened to him on foreign policy. He was non-interventionist. Learn the difference.
  
  Stop speaking Jesus was conservative and not liberal for political points. That too is bearing false witness.]
  
  Again, Jesus was a perfect conservative. I speak it because it is true. I could care less about gaining political points. Your assumption that a truth cannot be spoken just because somebody might think it political is an unwise one, and an untrue one.
  
  And I believe honestly that Ron Paul is an isolationist. I also qualified myself clearly, stating that he was not strongly isolationist, as some are. But he certainly shows more tendencies in that direction than I care for.
  
  As far as scoring political points, I perceive that you are attempting to badmouth Cain, and use his statements about Christ for the very purpose of scoring political points on behalf of Paul. More power to you. But that sure seems like that is what you are doing.
  
  I like Cain, but I do not change what I believe is true or false based on that. I believe Cain is flawed, but the best canidate. I would be glad to list his strengths and flaws.
  
  I believe Paul is more flawed than the other candidates and he is low on my list. Above Obama, lower than the
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:34pm
  “We easily and clearly support society our way. And our way is lots of charity, freely given, with a plan to teach the poor to fish, instead of the dead end plan of giving the poor new fish, each and every day, which is enonomic suicide.”
  
  As I said–give, by all means. However, what you have here is a set of slogans with very little content. I’m all for job training programs, but the Conservatives in power (and many on the Blaze) are opposed to funding ANYTHING.
  
  And anyway… you can teach a man to fish all you want, but if there are no fish in the pond, then he’s out of luck. The “magical thinking” here is that many of you believe that people are just poor because they want to be, or have no motivation not to be.
  
  But the question here is about Jesus–we can all agree that teaching a man to fish is better than just giving him fish. But, if it’s a question of your neighbor having no fish and suffering from malnuitrition and any number of other health risks, do you think Jesus would want to hear your complaints about taxes?
  
  And to my other friend…
  “You tell God YOU know how to do things better them him….. what utter foolishness.”
  
  Ha! I said no such thing. You see, I, unlike you, do not have the utter arrogance and hubris to assume that I have access to a complete and unerring understanding of God’s will. I can only use the brain He gave me to make his creation a better place.
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- Faith1029
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:39pm
  KMICHALES: “It means we man up to reality and understand that there will be a time given to repent, either in this life or the next.”
  
  No where in scripture does it say you wil be given time to repent in the next life. It is in THIS life you must repent, otherwise it is too late. That is why Christ came to die for us. If we were given time to repent in the next life, His sacrifice would have been in vain.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:41pm
  @Darren
  
  That is my point. Look how we conservatives treated BO for his attending Jeremiah’s Church compared to how we are Cain now or any other politician on our side. Cain’s own Church says it is Liberal but he is nit racked over the coals about it.
  
  Now you put up a democrat that attends a Liberal church and we are ready to crucify him. Being a hypocrite is opposite of what God tells us to be!
  
  Appreciate your comments much. Hope you have a good day!
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:51pm
  [Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:31pm
  @KMichaels
  
  Your under the assumption conservatives are not just as progressive as democrats! Both are progressive today. BOTH.]
  
  You’re obviously confusing parties with overall rules of life. I am using conservatism as a rule of life. Even if there were 1 true conservative left on earth my comments would still be true and make sense.
  
  You are welcome to think negative thoughts all you want, call things hopeless and then self-destruct or whatever you choose.
  
  My words still stand. Christ is still of a conservative nature. He stands for freely given charity coupled with the desire to promote self-sufficiency.
  
  It seems thou doth protest too much and that it is you that wants to make all of this political.
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:52pm
  Yo kmichaels:
  Did you read my post about Jesus and truth. I find no reason to say any more than that. Show me one of the names of God or Christ that would alude to conservative or liberal. Who cares, I find this conversation foolish and childish on many levels (not to put myself over others) What Cain said about the life of Jesus was biblical TRUTH. Cain’s heart / motive…. I do not know… that is the judging God warns us not to do. and I’m not going there! My search is for truth anything else is usless. Jesus said.. I AM that I AM… he did not say I AM a ……….. or a ……………!!!
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- sbwebb
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 4:03pm
  Are you the only one here who is entitled to an opinion?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 4:05pm
  @KMichaels
  
  I could give two cents who you vote for. Vote for BO, Cain, Romney or hulk hogan for all I care. This isn’t about politics for me like it is for you and you clearly have shown it.
  
  No Jesus was not the perfect conservative. Jesus was the perfect human. Jesus was not about politics like you are trying to use him for your cause.
  
  A conservative would take his one fish and sale it to the poor for a dollar a piece. A liberal would take the conservatives fish and sale it to the poor for a dollar a piece.
  
  Jesus took the fish and feed the poor for free!
  
  The negative would the be the one bearing false witness for politics which you are doing.
  
  Protest? I’m simply standing to the crap coming from your mouth about my Lord and Savior. Stop lying about Jesus.
  
  Have a great day!
- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 4:17pm
  Yo sbwebb:
  If you are speaking to me… opinion away… conversation is good… not my point.
  There are times when truth does not ask for opinions of men…. you either get that or you don’t
  and please don’t respond… that’s my / your opinion, if you do, than you don’t!
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 4:22pm
  [PubliusPencilMan "But the question here is about Jesus–we can all agree that teaching a man to fish is better than just giving him fish. But, if it’s a question of your neighbor having no fish and suffering from malnuitrition and any number of other health risks, do you think Jesus would want to hear your complaints about taxes?"]
  
  Jesus is far wiser than the idiot liberals. Jesus would say several things, based on varying conditions. One, is the man capable of feeding himself? If so, “eat of your own bread.” Two, should charity be forced or given freely. Correct answer, given freely. Third, are you pencilman, using this for political gain? In that you could get off your lazy arse and give of your own money freely, without the need of a government forced charity program that enslaves the poor to be poor forever? Ding ding ding. Yes, pencilman, you, Sean Penn, Buffett, Streisand, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, get off of your own lazy selfish arses and give of your own abundance. Stop your complainging about what conservatives may or may not be giving and give out of your own damn wallets. That is what Jesus would say. So make haste you hypocrite, liar and troll. Spend your own money to aid the poor or shut the heck up, forever more.
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 4:26pm
  Yo Okie;
  You made a strong comment… “to politicize Christ is shameful”…. I agree with the statement. However, if I read the article correctly what he said was about a year ago. If you could personally ask him his thinking/ his heart what would he say……………. it might not be as you think… should I say -judge. Be careful,my friend…..peace.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 4:39pm
  [Faith1029
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:39pm
  KMICHALES: “It means we man up to reality and understand that there will be a time given to repent, either in this life or the next.”
  
  No where in scripture does it say you wil be given time to repent in the next life]
  
  Actually it does. But right now, I do not want to play games with you involving faithless ideas of what God is limited to. If a man can repent after death, and there is no logical reason he cannot, then God will give him the time to change. God is not bound by time. God is only concerned in whether it would bear fruit to give more time. He does not work on your timetable.
  
  Justice is not based on happenstance. If a man would repent, but dies too soon, then he will be given more time. Have faith. Don’t be a naysayer and claim you know about the justice of God. And what about the millions of people that were born and died before hearing the name Christ. Do you so faithlessly assume that these are lost, just because you insist upon limiting God?
  
  What fools some people are, that claim that because they, when hearing a good and true principal, proclaim loudly that it must not be true, simply because they have not seen it written with their own eyes on a piece of paper.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 4:54pm
  I AM a Christian, and will invoke Jesus as a Political Tool. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
  
  Combine that with the truth that when the Spirit of God created THRU the Word (Jesus Christ) the first government on earth in the Garden of Eden, created it thru equal justice under the Law ie, a Republic. Then mix in the FACT that the Founding of the United States was based entirely on the Supreme Judge of the world, the Creator who is Natures God being who grants unalienable rights, and invoking the Commandments as the basis for ALL of America’s Law, in conjunction with the moral codes of the scriptures. I think Cain is exactly RIGHT invoking Jesus’ name in politics.
  
  Not that governance and religion are a marriage, but that the Nation was founded on those unchanging principles that affords every person an equal opportunity to succeed based on their own actions applied to the doctrine of our origins, but that each person based on self merit can worship as he/she see’s fit, achieve individual liberty, or fail by breaking the Charter and Constitution of the United States.
  
  Jesus was the first Republican.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 4:56pm
  [4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:52pm
  Yo kmichaels:
  Did you read my post about Jesus and truth.]
  
  Let’s go through a mental excercise here, shall we. Let’s say that there was a political persuasion that was called the truth party. Then, let’s say that Christ was referred to as truth. “Christ is truth.” Now, let’s say that the truth party stood for truth, the best that they could. Lets say that Christ represented perfect truth.
  
  Are we in error to claim that Christ is truth, that the truth party stands for the same things that Christ stands for? Simply because somebody has an issue with playing games of semantics with words we should deny the truth?
  
  I want my political party to stand for truth. I don’t give a damn what label people want to place upon it. And I chose to be a conservative because it best represents what Christ stands for. And if my party is in err, compared to Christ, then I will use my influence to make it closer to the Christ and to truth.
  
  Are you familiar with this scripture,
  
  Isaiah 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
  
  Today many are trying to make Cain and others an offender for a word, tying to lay a snare for those that speak truth. I say, TOUGH. That does not change the truth.
  
  My words are not about politics. They are about getting closer to the truth.
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- TRUTHandFREEDOM
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:12pm
  The story offers insight into a current and leading candidate for POTUS.
  
  THAT is reason 1 why it belongs here.
  
  As for reason number 2; Jim Wallis and other bogus Christians, all on the left side of US and global politics by the way, were very recently using Jesus as a political tool when claiming that He would be at and supportive of the collectivist Occupy rallies, which is kind of difficult for many, including me to accept and the Cain comments reflect what the rest of us … and I believe MOST of us Christians believe.
  
  INDIVIDUAL salvation, self responsibility and the lesson of individuals helping their neighbors is Christian.
  
  Complaining about self incurred debt, demanding that banks forgive your bad decisions after having them pay through credit; your bills, educations, possessions, mortgages etc, and trying to collapse our self government and capitalist system to replace it with oppressive collectivist rule is NOT Christian in any way.
  
  This story shows that this candidate is WITH US!
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- Darren
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:16pm
  “That is my point. Look how we conservatives treated BO for his attending Jeremiah’s Church compared to how we are Cain now or any other politician on our side. Cain’s own Church says it is Liberal but he is nit racked over the coals about it. ”
  
  I think the fundamental idea here is to judge a man by his works. Herman Cain does not show a belief in the liberal teachings of his church. Barak Obama did in his 2008 campaign. He absolutely believed in redistribution of wealth which is a tenet of black liberation which Jeremiah Wright taught. Obama has cnotinued to show contempt for American exceptionalism and outright disdain for Isreal. These are also characteristic of Wright.
  
  I also think the push to expose Obama‘s Trinity United Church in Chicago comes in great part from the mass media’s refusal to expose it themselves.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:18pm
  @10th Amendment
  
  So which political party was Jesus during His time physically on Earth?
  
  Also, of the founding Parties which party did Jesus align with?
  
  There is nothing wrong with shining your faith thru Government but when one tries to say Jesus was my party only and no one body else’s well that is wrong.
  
  What Party was Thomas Jefferson? Do you think Thomas Jefferson spoke and lived for Jesus Christ and thought Jesus was in his party only?
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- Islesfordian
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:23pm
  @Kmichael
  “You can bet your bottom dollar that most conservatives would be fine with forgiveness IF. If what? If the murderer truly repented. Does this mean no punishment for murderers? It depends. ”
  
  If you mean that forgiveness means that a murderer doesn‘t get punished then I don’t think “most conservatives” would agree with you. I don’t think most liberals would agree either. Justice is rather hard wired into us. And it comes from God. To not punish a muderer merely because he truly repents is to spit on the blood of his victim. Did God not decree that bloood cries out for blood? God wants such justice to be seen in this world, so that we can appreciate the standards of justice and understand how merciful He is in forgiving us. Without Justice on earth we cannot understand the Grace of heaven.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:31pm
  @Darren
  
  “That’s a good point but frankly I do not know nearly enough about Cain, nor his church attendence to form a decision as to why Cain attended the church he did.”
  
  Many times we heard BO would not attend the church he did unless he believed what was being said and then we saw just that.
  
  Why would Cain attend a liberal church if he disagrees with it? You yourself said you do not know enough yourself. If you flip over to the blaze article about Cain’s liberal church you will learn a lot more.
  
  I am not anti-Cain but this garbage Jesus is only Conservative and nothing else is well garbage. I am Conservative and saying this as well. It is using GOD for your political agenda.
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- Shotguns1
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:36pm
  Yes I do. Bottomline when you read the Bible it is clear God does not want us to be subserviant to anyone but God. To live like Jesus is to be Christlike in how we conduct ourselve’s . Deuteronomy is quite clear in how God wanted us to live in Every aspect of our live’s and goes into great detail as to how we avoid becoming enslaved. We are called as individuals to help our brothers and sisters in Christ. No where does God EVER advocate reliance on a Government system to care for the people. When Jesus was judged and crucified, He was not judged by His deeds. He was judged because He refused to lend credibility to the church, therefore weakening it’s influence and power over the people…… For the 1st time people were awakened to the fact that they had a right and an obligation to cultivate a personal relationship directly with God, therefore releasing them from the grips of church and government. They discovered they could not pay for absolution of their sins instead they had to humble themselve’s before God and ask for Jesus intercetion on our behalf. Once we do that we are responsible to accept God as our Lord and Master….. Freedom or Slavery? when you rely on somone else to provide for you, you are essentially a slave. I for 1 choose God and therefore Freedom
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- Shotguns1
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:39pm
  Then why would Ron Paul cut off Israel?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:46pm
  @Shotgun
  
  The same reason George Washington would and the same reason all conservatives say cut welfare. Foreign aid is Welfare. Stay on topic.
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- We are Americans
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:13pm
  Jesus was God. He is and never was
  political. He does not care about the things
  of this world. He gave us a blue print for
  our lives so we can attain heaven.
  We label each other all the time.
  We don’t need to put a label on the Lord.
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- Dano.50
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:16pm
  What?
  
  You mean like all the liberals who are claiming Jesus was a socialist?
  
  Far as I know, the libs started this line and Mr. Cain’s just calling b.s, based on the fact it‘s a field he’s familiar with, and using a heck of a lot more logic than any libs, or liberal churches, use to claim Jesus would have had us spread the wealth.
  
  Jesus was against the corrupt “money changers” but he was never against keeping the fruits of honest labors.
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- aurorawatcher
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:31pm
  This article is from a couple of years ago — years before Cain started running for president. It is the liberals blogs that are using the article as a political tool.
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- imbiasedtowardstruth
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:39pm
  @QPWILLIE Us ‘Paulies’ only think Ron Paul can save the constitution, not the world! For the most part, he wants to leave the world alone. Wiki him and learn the truth! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Non-intervention
  p.s. I’ve read The Blaze for a week or two now, and yours was the ignorant post that compelled me to sign up and start posting.
  It feels good to be right!
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- APPAULED
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:49pm
  THIS_INDIVIDUAL i AGREE WITH YOU 100%. The republicans have always preyed on Christians and then turn around and do unchristian things. The 999 plan has been investigated and the people in charge of taxes say that it WILL increase taxres on the middle class drastically and the rich will get an even bigger tax break than they are already getting. People say it is class warfare and I agree “AGAINST THE MIDDLE CLASS”. They were given a tax break and it is about to expire. It isnt a raise in taxes it is just taking away the unfair breaks that they have been getting for a few years now. Does anybody stop to think that the 99% are the ones that made these companies rich in the first place. If the middle class have to pay more taxes so the rich can continue to get a break they will no longer be able to buy many of the products that these companies sell. Then What? It is ridiculous that they dont just step up like Warren Buffet did. It is indeed shameful. And I hardly think that Herman Cain needs to compare himself to Jesus. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing pointing the finger at Obama. 8 years of republican ideology got us where we are today. Why do so many people believe that things would get any better with another republican in the white house? Better for who? I just dont get it. Obama is a marxist because he wants the rich to pay their fair share so the over taxed middleclass can try to recover and that makes him a marxist?
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- varptr
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:50pm
  Tough it up! The Eastern Block countries used to say Jesus was the perfect communist. It was a tongue and cheek way of saying the best community helper was the one not associated with a bunch of greedy micromanaging Godless government bigots and “slave owners”. So Herman Cain is absolutely right, The left won’t like it. You can’t enslave millions, garnish the lifeblood of man, pick and chose political favorites giving out “free” cheese using that blood, toss bloody grenades of class hatred into the private lives, businesses, hopes, dreams, and loves of man, then claim you are anything but the antichrist. The Obama and Bush regimes, quoting Bush, “Don’t make mistakes.” And yet, it stinks pretty bad out there…. wwhew. Bring the troops home, limit exports and imports, slow the flow of illegals, trim government “free” stuff, and build that energy and rail infrastructure, privately. Do it now before the socialist nut jobs start killing more than hopes and dreams..
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:59pm
  @ Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:18pm
  
  @10th Amendment
  
  So which political party was Jesus during His time physically on Earth?
  
  Also, of the founding Parties which party did Jesus align with?
  
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  Are these really serious questions? Oh well lets take a look at them.
  
  Jesus Christ was His own political party when He lived in the flesh. In other words, the Kingdom of Heavens. What is that Party? Never been there except under the altar of Grace, and now since I live in Christ, and Christ lives in me, I reside under the governance of His Grace.
  
  Jesus Christ aligned Himself with the Founders and the American doctrine was established as a Union in a Republic, ie, the public thing (same as in the Garden), the Law of GOD. Correctly defined as the Liberty of God for each of His human creations.
  
  Thomas Jefferson? He could be said to be a Republican liberal. He wanted Pure Democracy, but lost his bid for that. Republican governance won the day. Thankfully! Jefferson was of the Presbytery, and his democracy was laughed out of discussion. He despised ORTHODOX Christianity because it was a violent totalitarian tyranny, ie, against the liberty of personal choice. I have 26 books concerning Jefferson, including many of his personal memoirs. MANY of Jeffersons political views were defeated, just as many of his religious views were.
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- fury17deco
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:12pm
  “liberals tend to be ideologically opposed to capital punishment while conservatives tend to favor it”
  
  Yes, take Stalin for instance…
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- jo oliver
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:16pm
  -Caine seems to be a guy who cannot forget he is a preacher and there is nothing wrong to let people know of one’s GOD, unless you don’t believe in GOD. How can a Sacred Name be out of place in politics or ANY area of life. May I suggest you get to know HIM. It would be the best thing in your life you ever did………………………….and man, what a Friend! hugs…jo
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- grandma7
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:25pm
  Look, None of us should be attacking any of the candidates. They might be our only hope. And if you do say something unkind, please don‘t add your choice’s name to your post. There are two candidates that would make me gag to vote for them, but I’d do it to defeat BO. I have commented on posts about them, but never add my choice for president at the end of a negative post.
  
  I understand that some candidates aren’t getting the coverage, mine sure isn’t.
  
  As far as Cain and Jesus……I agree with Supercalifrag—- It seems like heartfelt comments and I can see where he was going. He’s not using this to advance his politics….it was said quite some time ago. I can follow his thinking about Jesus and see it neither right nor wrong……only an opinion of a solid Christian man.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:42pm
  @10th Amendment
  
  It might help to read some of them books you say you have. Jefferson states a “pure republic”, you know since democracy and republic were interchangeable, was simply an ideal that could not sustain life.
  
  “The first shade from this pure element which, like that of pure vital air cannot sustain life of itself, would be where the powers of the government, being divided, should be exercised each by representatives chosen either pro hac vice, or for such short terms as should render secure the duty of expressing the will of their constituents. This I should consider as the nearest approach to a pure republic which is practicable on a large scale of country or population. And we have examples of it in some of our State constitutions which, if not poisoned by priest-craft, would prove its excellence over all mixtures with other elements; and with only equal doses of poison, would still be the best.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.
  
  As for Jesus it is horrible to see so many they to use Jesus for their “party” sake and politics. Could you imagine Thomas Jefferson saying Jesus is only Libertarian and not Federalist? Come on….
  
  Your opinion you are entitled. Have a great day.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:46pm
  @ We are Americans
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:13pm
  
  Jesus was God. He is and never was
  political. He does not care about the things
  of this world. He gave us a blue print for
  our lives so we can attain heaven.
  We label each other all the time.
  We don’t need to put a label on the Lord.
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  Lets see. A Kingdom, but a Kingdom that has no ruler? Really?
  And the GOVERNMENT will be upon His shoulders.
  New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven where Christ will rule over ALL, with a rod of iron?
  A Lord who will adMINISTER Justice.
  
  Romans 13:1 NASV Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
  
  1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:59pm
  @ Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:42pm
  
  @10th Amendment
  
  It might help to read some of them books you say you have. Jefferson states a “pure republic”, you know since democracy and republic were interchangeable, was simply an ideal that could not sustain life.
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  No, Republic and Democracy ARE NOT interchangeable concepts. Jefferson was wrong in declaring them co-equal. Even his best friend Madison laughed in his face concerning the concept. Simple rationality shows that quite plainly. Pure democracy is purely rule of the people and is close to communism as Marxism. The difference between Pure Democracy and Pure Socialism is that the Elite in PS are to be expressions of the whole, in PD the people have unrestrained liberty according to their own will, not constrained by the equal rights of others. Other than that, the 2 are exactly the same, and NEITHER come close to resembling a simple Republic, or a Constitutionally Legislated Republic, which Jefferson after getting smacked around by Madison, Adams, Washington and even Paine, came to understand. Why do you think Jefferson was dispatched to France during the Constitutional Convention? Because his Pure Democracy was a poisonous ideal, and maybe he’d get a glimpse of that watching the French murder themselves with the idea.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:39pm
  Madison’s intention was to show that the republican form of government established under the new Constitution was stable and would avoid the pitfalls encountered by other forms of popular government, especially “pure” democracies. He drew a distinction between a republic and a pure democracy when he wrote, “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place…” and then, “Let us examine the points in which it varies from pure democracy…” Both terms, “democracy” and “republic,” are sometimes used interchangeably and should be defined (as Madison did) for clarity’s sake. Jefferson used the term “republic” even when speaking of a pure democracy!
  
  If anything, Madison examined the function of democracy in the new republic and showed that democratic/republican government could be stable and just. Rather than opposing majority rule, he demonstrated how the Constitution was so designed as to insure that majority rule functioned properly and in the best interests of the whole nation.
  
  Although Thomas Jefferson was a mentor to James Madison, the views of Madison were by no means a carbon copy of Jefferson’s. There were slight differences, even on some of the points covered in Federalist No. 10; nevertheless, they clearly agreed on the broad outlines.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:53pm
  For some reason 10 Amendment it will not let me post the first part of the above post.
  
  My point being is Thomas Jefferson loved Christ just as much as Madison and Washington and Adams. All had different views some more liberal then others. All loved Christ though.
  
  I’ll see if my first post will go thru in a few minutes.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:55pm
  I don’t really care about Jeffersons word play. The concepts of Democracy and Republic are contrary to each other.
  
  Democracy = Rule of the people, majority rule
  Republic = The Public thing – the law
  
  The only thing “democratic” about the Nations founding are the INSTITUTIONS are democratic that provide for the Free Market Economy to operate in the CIVILIZATION of Captitalism.
  
  Every Founder who studied the Greek and Roman systems knew the difference between democracy and a republic.
  
  Calling America a democracy is like calling a horse a cow. They aren’t the same thing. People do that for 2 reasons. 1. To pervert the truth and make America easily changeable 2. Laziness to learn the difference.
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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:07pm
  Def old news girls, stop your whining. LOL
  
  Last I checked free speech has yet to be taken away…
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:09pm
  Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:53pm
  
  For some reason 10 Amendment it will not let me post the first part of the above post.
  
  My point being is Thomas Jefferson loved Christ just as much as Madison and Washington and Adams. All had different views some more liberal then others. All loved Christ though.
  
  I’ll see if my first post will go thru in a few minutes.
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  Yeah one my posts posts evaporated into Blaze cyber-space somewhere.
  
  I tend to agree that the Founders have different idea’s regarding Christ. Jefferson was a Lunar Society purist thru the manifestations of the enlightenment. Jefferson also didn’t have a fixed idea of what the American Republic really was until he was President for a couple of years, and his policies reflected his uncertainties of how the Law worked to give society it’s greatest liberty. later he understood it very well.
  
  Paine and Franklin through everything I’ve been able to find over the years were certainly Deist, with Paine leaning more toward agnosticism. Had it been up to Washington, Paine would have probably fell to the guillotine of Robespierre. I know for certain that Jeffersons time in France during that period changed his mind on what a democracy looked like to a great degree, and he softened his position on what defined liberty, and right liberty.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:11pm
  @10th Amendment
  
  If you do not care about Jefferson’s words why have so many books of them?
  
  1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
  
  To call our government not a democracy is stupid!
  
  Democracy is a cow. Which kind of cow we have is what they were debating.
  
  A pure democracy is still rule by the people. A constitutional republic form is so that majority rule does not infringe upon the rights of any other.
  
  And the words were Madison‘s not Jefferson’s in the 10th federalist paper.
  
  Why do you think democratic-republicans were a party? You are ignorant of what you speak!
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:15pm
  SamIamTwo
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:07pm
  
  Def old news girls, stop your whining. LOL
  
  Last I checked free speech has yet to be taken away…
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  I do not like green eggs and ham, I do not like them Sam I Am! (couldn’t resist!)
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- Darren
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:16pm
  Okie;
  
  “Why would Cain attend a liberal church if he disagrees with it? You yourself said you do not know enough yourself. If you flip over to the blaze article about Cain’s liberal church you will learn a lot more. ”
  
  Oops, I missed that article.
  
  “I am not anti-Cain but this garbage Jesus is only Conservative and nothing else is well garbage. I am Conservative and saying this as well. It is using GOD for your political agenda. ”
  
  On the surface, it doesn’t look like Cain did this. I totally agree though that it is garbage when people try to portray Jesus for their own political agenda.
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- WeDontNeedNoSteeeenkinBadges
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:25pm
  Cain: “He [Jesus] [fed] the hungry without food stamps.”
  
  Oh?
  
  15 – When it was evening, His disciples came to Him, saying, “This is a deserted place, and the hour is already late. Send the multitudes away, that they may go into the villages and buy themselves food.”
  16 – But Jesus said to them, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”
  [Mathew 14]
  
  Oh, Cain meant … when you‘re hungry for 2nd breakfast and you’ve hiked too far away from Hobbiton to get it easily. Well, the fat little Hobbits should like that. But what about … “the hungry”?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:29pm
  @10th
  
  Our founders we’re the perfect storm to bring about our great Constitutional Republic Democracy. Each had different concerns: Jefferson’s being dominant Governance.
  
  Communism is no way a democracy. Fascism is no way a democracy. Neither is of the people.
  
  Your post to Sam made me spit my tea out I laughed so hard. Thanks for the chuckle!
  
  @Darren
  
  I’m not downing Cain, he is entitled to his thought but to use this year old article by the “right” to say only conservatives are like Christ and Jesus was only conservative is my beef. Appreciate your thoughts!
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:33pm
  @ Okie
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  I have a lot of books, but the Jefferson books happened to be the easiest to find. I think that Jefferson had some great idea’s as well, just not the prevailing ideas. Even the Declaration that‘s attributed to Jefferson probably wasn’t written by him. Although he edited it, it was probably also written by Thomas Paine.
  
  All of America’s INSTITUTIONS are democratic, which does not mean the governance is a democracy. There’s no conflict there.
  
  Madison borrowed his idea’s concerning a pure democracy from his and Jefferson teacher, John Witherspoon.
  
  Democracy: Operates by direct majority vote of the people. When an issue is to be decided, the entire population votes on it; the majority wins and rules.
  
  A democracy is rule by majority feeling (better defined as “mobocracy”). Example: in a democracy, if a majority wants murder legal, it becomes legal.
  
  Republic: Where the general population elects representatives who then pass laws to govern the nation … a republic is rule by law. Our republic is a form of government where power is separated, [our Founding Fathers knew that people are basically weak, sinful and corruptible, (Jeremiah 17:9)], pitting men against each other, making it difficult to pass laws and make changes.
  
  The Electoral College defines the difference.
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:46pm
  Yo Kmichaels: post 20th @4:56
  Think that’s what I said…. thanks, but did not need the mental workout.
  Speaking of truth…. how do you arrive or agree with the rob bell hell lie?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:52pm
  Notice that the basic definition of democracy is just a “government by the people.” Notice also that a more specific definition includes a government by representatives of the people. To say that the Founding Fathers were opposed to democracy is absurd. Their whole purpose was to establish government by the people. They called their government a “republic,” which is a form of democracy, but it is not a “pure” democracy. Confusion arises when “democracy,” a generic term, is equated with “PURE democracy,” a specific kind of democracy which ours is not. James Madison outlined the problems with democracies in his Federalist Paper #10.
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- sfcpete
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:04pm
  As stated by others, this was published in defense of Christianity – long before Cain was a presidential candidate. Maybe you should be introduced to the Christian rites by lets say Rev Jesse Jackson, Rev Al Sharpton or of course the Rev Wright – they would probably more to your political liking.
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- vieteravet
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:12pm
  Bull, the left wingers put out that crap,” What would Jesus drive.”
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:13pm
  Yo pencilman:
  I was a little strong in my post and for that I apologize.
  You accuse me of saying you said something you didn’t, and then you turn right around and accuse me of saying something I didn’t….. I never claimed perfect understanding… nowhere. In the book of Acts, the christian community gave as was needed and everybody’s needs were met. Take that principle and attitude to the whole planet and this world world be as it could be… nothing magical about it… of course that would mean the whole planet would have to be followers of Christ. That was and is my point. So, when we try to do with just our brains we then cause our own problems.
  
  Do I read you correctly in that you acknowledge being created by God and the earth also. Is this the God of the bible? Is Christ your savior?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:25pm
  @SFCPete
  
  Didn‘t Jesse Jackson speak at Herman Cain’s Church on occasion? According to the other Blaze article, yes.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:39pm
  Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:52pm
  
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  Which is exactly why you’re stumbling on definition. The left would love the United States to be defined as a democracy, and it’s why Merriam helped to redefine terms. He was a devout communist, who didn’t know the difference. I can assure you that Webster and his decendents certainly did. “Noah Webster – “In democracy … there are commonly tumults and disorders … Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth.” The author of the first amendment language sure knew the difference. “A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way. The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness which the ambitious call, and the ignorant believe to be liberty !
  
  Word gymnastics do not need apply. There is an ocean of difference between a Republic and a democracy.
  
  There are 3 basic types of democracy. Simple, standard and pure. Every member of the Constitutional Congress denounced all 3 forms, and instead turned to the 2 stand alone Empires for the standard, Greece and Rome.
  
  I’d recommend studying Polybius.
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- headangel
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:44pm
  ChiefGeorge
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:23am
  
  This is bad taste on Cains part! I will vot for Cain though as he is the only man who can beat BHO. Just being honest even though I will support him. He is obviously not thinking this through with regard what he is doing to our Lord and Savior. ChiefGeorge-Please read— Ecclesiastes 2-3 and 12 2. A wise man’s heart is at his (Jesus) right hand; But a fools heart is at his (Jesus) left. 3. Yea also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him, and he saith to everyone that he is a fool. 12. The words of a wise man’s mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself. Jesus was a Conservative so Cain has just reiterated what was said in the scriptures. Read take heed and learn.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:50pm
  I am wrong about ALL of them at the convention denouncing democracy. Alexander Hamilton wanted it. But only because he was a money grubber who wanted the monarchy by way of an active army at the constant use of the Lord he wanted to install as King, but who rebuked him.
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- eleemosynary
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:11pm
  @kmichaels
  It was from an article written nearly a year ago and had nothing to do with politics, other than it was a response against all the idiot liberals claims about how Jesus was both gay and a liberal. And since Cain was a minister, it was his right and his duty to speak the truth
  
  Thank you for putting some perspective on the context of the article. It helps readers better understand what is being said if we know the motivation for writing the article. I wish Billy Hallowell would have researched the article a little more and included the context in his article and validate your assertions as well.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:33pm
  @ eleemosynary
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:11pm
  
  @kmichaels
  It was from an article written nearly a year ago and had nothing to do with politics, other than it was a response against all the idiot liberals claims about how Jesus was both gay and a liberal. And since Cain was a minister, it was his right and his duty to speak the truth
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  2 of my siblings still live in Tennessee. One is a member of a very liberal Southern Baptist Church, the other a member of the AME liberal Church and neither of them would ever vote for a liberal. One is an active member of the Black Conservative Coalition, the other finishing up her senior year at APSU and has hopes to enter Law School soon afterwards. Her goal is to become a Conservative Senator. She already helps organize Tea Party events from Clarksville, Tn to Atlanta, Ga.
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- thepatriotdave
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:34pm
  This_Individual
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:33am
  I’m not even Christian and I find it in bad taste to use Jesus as a political tool.
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  What a really dumb comment by you.
  First of all he made these comments last December well before he started running for prez.
  Secondly, Cain used the word Conservative not Republican. If he had then it would have been political.
  Why is it that RP supporters lose all perspective of logic when they try to cut down anyone running against their guy, the guy I call “the unelectable one”.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:43pm
  @10th
  
  I think we are dancing words. Do know I support a Republic. I still argue a Republic is part of a democracy. The difference is that Democracy, Greek for rule by people, is rule of men. Republic, Latin for everybody’s interest, is rule of law. Both are thru rule of people but one interjects law so that mob rule does not fringe others. A Republic prevents it’s self from killing itself as all Democracy, mob rule, does.
  
  Yes all were against Democracy, mob rule, except Hamilton the money man. You were saying Jefferson was for a Democracy which was not true but he did perceive a Republic as a constricted form of Democracy and that was my argument. Read his inaugural address. Hamilton and Jefferson did interchange the words of Democracy and Republic and I think they knew what the other was referring.
  
  Understand one thing about Okie, I argue a lot to see just how well some can defend their point, even if I agree. I have read many of your posts and agree much of the time with you. You are well versed. Keep up the good work.
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- Country Publius
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:05am
  …A political tool? …Surely you jest!
  
  Mr. Cain stated his views, just as all those on the left have stated that they think Jesus would be in favor of free health care and higher taxes on the rich.
  
  From my perspective, if your neighbor needed a coat, Jesus would tell you to give yours. …i don‘t believe Jesus would have told you to give your coat to Cesar to be divided and distributed according to Cesar’s will. That’s not using Jesus as a “tool” …it’s merely pointing out the vast difference between conservatism and liberalism.
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- survivorseed
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:05am
  Herman then went on to say that Santa is a commie socialist and we should poison his cookies this year.
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- MCFergy
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:50am
  @THIS_INDIVIDUAL; Cain’s original short article was posted on Red State, December 20, 2010. As the Blaze article note; Herman Cain’s article has been “resurrected” by the blogosphere. Herman Cain is not using Jesus Christ as a “political tool,” but he is unashamed and will not hide the fact that he is a man of God, nor should he. Men inspired by God founded our Nation. Perhaps had they not been inspired by God; the United States of American would have never existed? “Freedom of Religion,” is just that; one is free to believe any faith he/she desires or not believe at all.
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- Sassyncmrs
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 7:19am
  He is expressing his faith, which is a good thing! In the early 1940s a liberal activist on the Supreme Court, instead of protecting the church from the state took the opposite stance and passed Separation of Church and State. So, you question whether Jesus was a liberal or conservative? I think the actions are pretty clear. Up until the New Deal championed by Roosevelt, another liberal, the churches took care of the needy. The New Deal created bigger government where they started taking care of the poor. Was this in support of what churches were doing? Then, when Lyndon Johnson was a senator, he created a law where pastors couldn’t preach against his political views, and hence today a law forbids them from promoting one political candidate over another.
  Jesus also said that we would always have the poor with us, and it was the believer’s charge to look out for them…..he didn’t say the government will dictate who we look after. Paul also said In Colossians that we should work the best we can, never slacking, as if you were working for the Lord. What does this say of people perpetually on welfare, and what does it say about a government that keeps them dependent?
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- fiorgael
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:19am
  I cannot see why when someone correctly explains the division between church and state, that the state cannot tell you what church to which to belong, that one must criticize the conservative view of the Saviour. Jesus is not a political tool in this case, but tells me where this man stands. I like what he says and have since I first heard him on Glenn Beck’s TV show back in 2010. The more I hear him say, the more I like his stance. I can see why one would criticize him, though…there are different views of the world in which we live.
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- lovenfl3
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:35am
  Remember when the MSM told us that Rev. Wright was really no big deal? Now you‘ll notice that the Republicans’ religion is very important. The double standard continues to amaze me.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouyNzCfsAq4
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- Renellin
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:04am
  I suggest you look at the context–it was just before Christmas–he is speaking of Jesus because his celebrated birthday was nigh. Otherwise, I would agree, and notice in all of Herman’s appearances today, religion is not the outstanding issue for him. I think he makes a good argument for Jesus being a conservative, mostly because people like to think of Jesus as being like they are. I have no doubt a liberal could make up an argument where they could show Jesus as a good liberal. I couldn’t help but think the liberal court reference was tongue in cheek; his only support for it was finding him guilty of a bogus crime. I found it somewhat humerous, but wouldn’t take it seriously. The article shows a liberal coming back and painting the court as conservative. Again, everybody wants to analagize their way into the ‘good’ facts being on their side. It’s human nature.
  Lighten up, people!
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- PIL
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 9:52am
  I’m not a Christian either, but why is it that every time a Christian opens his mouth someone wants him to shut him up? Besides, do you complain when the liberals did their “What Would Jesus Drive” billboards? I have no problem with Christians as long as they don’t pass laws against alcohol, tobacco, and adult videos based on their Christian beliefs. The unholy alliance between progressives and Christian teetotalers gave us prohibition, we must never make that mistake again.
  http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/
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- Vechorik
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:28am
  I’m a Christian who is very tired of “Who is the best Christian contest” in politics.
  
  Why can’t we, as Americans, stick together on the Constitution?
  
  I agree that this article is “below the belt” Fox News built up Mr. Cain, because he was new, because he’s black. O’Reilly said Mr. Cain couldn’t win, that the GOP has promised Romney the nomination already. Fox ignored Dr. Paul completely. Now, I see Fox TEARING DOWN Mr. Cain! Build him up, just to tear him down? That’s dirty of Fox. When O’Reilly comes on tv, I switch the channel to Fox Business News “Freedom Watch.” to learn about the news of the day and the CONSTITUTION.
  
  Media bias “leads sheep” by omission of facts more than it misleads by incorrect facts.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:44am
  [We are Americans
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:13pm
  Jesus was God. He is and never was
  political. He does not care about the things
  of this world. He gave us a blue print for
  our lives so we can attain heaven.
  We label each other all the time.
  We don’t need to put a label on the Lord.]
  
  In attempting to describe God, as you just did, that is the same as putting labels on him. Frankly it is impossible to describe God without using labels. Labels are, after all, just words. For example you labled christ with the label (word) “God”. Then you gave him the label “non-political”.
  
  I have to laugh at the irony of the thought process involved with we humans. Christ used labels himsel, all the time. He called some “fools and hypocrites.” What did he mean? Did he mean that fools were suddenly wise? No, he used the common usage of the language of his day and assumed people would be wise enough to know what he meant.
  
  Christ warned of those that would “call that which is good evil and that which is evil good, that would put night for day and day for night.” Labels, labels, labels.
  
  You people are overthinking this whole story. What was the spirit in which Cain used in his article? It sounded right to me.
  
  Is Christ more liberal (as we know it today) or more conservative (as we know it today)? I have my opinion. That his principals fall along mostly conservative lines.
  
  If you want to get to specifics. List them, discuss them or blow
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:52am
  [APPAULED
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:49pm
  THIS_INDIVIDUAL i AGREE WITH YOU 100%. The republicans have always preyed on Christians and then turn around and do unchristian things. The 999 plan has been investigated and the people in charge of taxes say that it WILL increase taxres on the middle class drastically and the rich will get an even bigger tax break than they are already getting.]
  
  As always, what is fair can generally be determined by looking towards God. God’s plan regarding a “fair share” was for each person to pay “tithing” which means one tenth, upon their increase. This is what God determined as a “fair share”. This allowed each person to participate. If you made a million, your fair share would be 100 thousand. If you made 100 dollars, your fair share would be 10 dollars.
  
  Now some idiots, such as appauled here, has some other vague idea of what a “fair share” is. Like all socialists, his idea of fair share involves soaking the rich for as much as they can bear then giving the excess to idiots like him, so that then he can claim “equality.” Appauled is the type of fool that looks for preachers that will satisfy his itching ears. And his itching ears will be demanding more free money from him and less of a tax burden for him.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 10:56am
  [Okie from ... "As for Jesus it is horrible to see so many they to use Jesus for their “party” sake and politics. Could you imagine Thomas Jefferson saying Jesus is only Libertarian and not Federalist? Come on…."]
  
  Okie has no qualms about denigrating Cain, in regards to comments he made about Jesus in order to build up Ron Paul. However, Okie takes offense if anyone else does it, even when they were not in reality doing it in the first place. That fooll Okie has insisted that I must be playing politics, simply because I believe that Jesus portrayed mostly conservative ideals. Oh well, to each fool his own,.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 11:10am
  [4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:46pm
  Yo Kmichaels: post 20th @4:56
  Think that’s what I said…. thanks, but did not need the mental workout.
  Speaking of truth…. how do you arrive or agree with the rob bell hell lie?]
  
  Yes, I am aware that that is what you stated. I read your meme on truth an agree with it. My mental excercise was intended for other readers. I should have specified. I like the bulk of your comments.
  
  As to Rob Bell, I believe that most modern Christians behave as little children on the subject of both heaven and hell. As the scriptures state, there comes a time to set aside childish myths and obtain a more mature (in the gospel) view of reality. Too many Christians take the wrong words literally when they were meant to simply get a spiritual point across.
  
  One example is the idiotic idea that a body rots in hell with immortal worms and an eternal physical fire eating away at you. Simple minded childish hogwash is what that is.
  
  Will there be weeping and gnashing of teeth? Of course. I have regrets that I weep and gnash my teeth over from time to time already here on earth.
  
  Another example of childish false literal understanding is the foolish idea that God the Father, God Christ and God the Holy Ghost are literally one and the same physical substance. Which is pure horse manure. Yet many fools wish to hold onto their nonsense without thought or spiritual understanding.
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- howdeedo2U
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 1:39pm
  There are many of us who have absolutely had it up to our eye balls with the attacks on observances of things and events that are Christian. Cain clarifies the meaning of separation of church and state correctly, here. Be careful, when waiting for the perfect that you do not cancel out the potential for good. Cain is not a retreaded political tire. The man is intelligent and has integrity. Don’t forget that he has a deep sense of humility that we who have listened to him, from coast to coast for years have long recognized. New to some of you, to many of us, he is a trusted friend.
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- gbmpython
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:00pm
  Agree.
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- jdrrbill73
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:05pm
  If you WERE a Christian you would agree 100% with what Mr Cain says.
  
  Bill Nelson
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- Jim AZ
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:41pm
  Since Perry opened up the “I am the Best Christian on Stage”, can, this is quite expect-able.
  Considering who released the subject “writings” IS an indicator of intent, but the BIGGEST indicator is That He IS Running–And it was only 10 months ago.
  As to the article and coverage, “no pun intended” is pretty lame. Cain has be fawned on Because Everyone Is Afraid Of Ron Paul–Knowing that, excepting Bachmann, everyone else on the stage SUCKS–So they delude themselves about the greatness of the others, Who SUCK, and try to delude YOU.
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- Mister Beee
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 5:24pm
  Wow! Hold on! This article was published before Herman Cain was even in the limelight of being a viable candidate. He wasn’t even on the radar screen of most, if not all political, so-called experts. Whoever decided to put this in public view at this time would be the one to criticize. You don‘t have to agree with Herman Cain’s political views. But don’t criticize him for his religious views. And don’t criticize him for trying to use these views in his campaign bucket. I don’t think in writing that article, he intended it for anything but his own personal religious views; putting in context of the political landscape that seems to obsess many people.
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- Perkins
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:02pm
  I didn’t read all the comments here, but please people.
  1: Cain wrote this article before running for president. I have written many such articles, if in ten years I decide to run for president does that mean I would be using Jesus for political gain? Come on.
  2: For all you saying Jesus would favor taxes. Taxes are holding a gun to someone’s head. Would Jesus be in favor of us standing on the side of the road robbing passersby and then giving the money to charity? That is what you are saying (don’t believe me, try not paying your taxes), and I strongly doubt Jesus would approve. Also, to say God cannot provide for the poor, so we must do as I described above IS saying we know better than God, which IS hubris. If you cannot see the connection, don’t worry, pride goeth before a fall. You’ll see it eventually.
  
  The reason the system is falling apart is the idea that people exist to be controlled. God gave us our free will, He does not control every aspect of our lives, He only asks us to follow Him, He uses no coercion. Anyone who does initiate force is not following God in that action. So I hate to break it to many, but using the government on your fellow human beings is not a Christlike action, even if you then take the stolen money and give it to the poor. Doing what YOU can where YOU are with what YOU have and letting God do the rest, that is Christlike.
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- TroyBray
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:07pm
  Really? How many liberals are out there saying that Jesus was a commie, or at least socialist? Anybody who has peeked at the actual pages of the Bible see that Jesus was not only a conservative, but a Constitutional Conservative. For instance, he once defended the second amendment when he admonished a follower to sell his coat so that he would have money to buy a gun. And he was killed for violating a law which the first amendment would not allow (Blasphemy).
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- BigKev
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 8:24pm
  Ron Paul is a financial genius and a foreign policy crazy man,
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- thepatriotdave
  Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:15am
  booger71
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:30pm
  I long for the day when all we had to fight was the Huffpo’s. The Paulista’s are much more nasty in their attacks.
  =============================
  Amen – Amen – Amen!
  At one time I liked some of Ron Pauls ideas, but over the last 8-9 months the “Paulista’s” have turned me off so much that I won’t even consider RP as a serious contender for POTUS. His followers are the most hateful bunch I encounter on Conservative sites.
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- DanBritt
  Posted on October 22, 2011 at 12:33am
  Ron Paul is intelligent on certain matters and dumb as a rock on others.
  Experience tells me, Paul is intelligent but his drones are dumb as a rock !
  God and Christ are our rock and foundation.
  If you can not build on a solid foundation, you should phone a progressive insurance agent!
  So tell me Paulinian… why is it good for your guy to avoid God and bad for Herman Cain to speak of Him ?
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:38am
  Yo kmichaels:
  You bring up many things… at this point of this story I am not going to address. I will say this; we are to be patient and not judge the less mature, so care need be applied. There are a lot of people on the road.
  
  I have at times ( and you seem to also, by your own admittance) been/done foolish things. I do believe there is a verse that says we are not to call another a fool. You and others have done this more than once. I do not agree with everything Okie says, and I do not agree with you. I do not believe him to be a fool. This is, at the least strong language to use with someone you have never sat down and had a meal with. Maybe some weeping would be appropriate now. (No judgement here) You say you are for truth… we are to speak the truth to one another with………… This verse means; honesty and God’s Word. If I have not done this, please correct me.
  You made a reply to “We are Americans” that I completely agree with, which was my point of my little conversation. That being…… the “spirit” or as I would put it; what was in Cains heart. I really do think it greaves the heart of our Lord to see such judging of this. This is why I have not been part of it.
  I don’t think most “christians” realize that Jesus, in love, is going to deal/dealing with his people as we come to His return. Final thought… can not gnashing of teeth be out of anger? Revelation says… “that still they will not repent”. A shaking of fists …….blessings.
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- NolanM1992
  Posted on October 23, 2011 at 3:19pm
  100% agree!
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- JapesMacfarland
  Posted on October 24, 2011 at 6:30am
  KATSYS wrote:”I find Cain more disgusting with each post they put up on him.”
  
  Of really? Can you name one other than this that makes you find him disgusting?
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- JapesMacfarland
  Posted on October 24, 2011 at 6:33am
  Perkins, that clarity was wonderful. Thank you.
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- kparsels
  Posted on October 29, 2011 at 3:15pm
  Jesus was indeed a conservative (”Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill”. He stood against forced giving, “For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you will you may do them good: but me you have not always”. Belief in him comes first before the poor.
  I’m of the opinion that anything the Government touches is corrupt. especially since 1960′s.
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- CJSays
  Posted on October 29, 2011 at 3:34pm
  The article Cain wrote appeared Dec 20th, and he didn’t announce he was a candidate for the Presidency until May 21, 2011, so you are mistaken in thinking he was using Jesus as a political tool. This article was not written by Cain; it’s simply giving background on Cain. The Bible is full of proof that Jesus was a conservative; not a liberal.
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- glenbeckisagit
  Posted on October 29, 2011 at 5:13pm
  Wow. Aside from the numerous factual errors or, as they’re otherwise called, LIES, that was a really poorly written piece of crap. But then, consider the source.
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- billwhit1357
  Posted on October 30, 2011 at 6:45am
  Herman Cain is a Christian, a true Christian, not like your Obambi, who says he is one, when it is obvious, he is not. Herman Cain has more Common Sense and Intelligence in his SNOT than Obama will ever hope to have in his entire life. I like Paul, and the rest of the GOP, but I don’t think it is ever someones “turn” to be President, like they say about Romney. I like Paul but I don’t think he would make a good Commander in Chief of our military. I would love to see Allen West, but he won’t run – yet. Or a Cain/West ticket. I know I will be Raising Cain in 2012!
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Myresponse2010
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:31am
The reason the Roman court was a “liberal court” is because first it had no God. Secondly it was based on power over the people. Liberalism is all about power over the people, while claiming to be for the people. So it’s founded on lies and deception. Conservatives do not rely upon government for the answers to the problem, they rely on true compassion, true ideals of liberty, and self responsibility and accountability. Liberals do not. Liberals look to government as the end all. So if Rome was god to them then, then Liberal tyranny is a god to those trusting in it today.

Jesus however was neither a conservative nor liberal. Jesus was, and is, a King, a Master, and a Lord. Jesus was Truth and Justice to all. The closest Jesus ever came to being a part of anything political or religious was when he told the woman at the well when she said where the Samaritans worship, which was on the mountain, He said to her ” We know what we worship.“ The word ”we” shows an alignment with, and the alignment was with the very people who would tell the lies that would condemn Him to the cross.

I understand what Cain means, but in reality Jesus was neither liberal nor conservative. Jesus was, and Jesus is, a King.
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- encinom
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:39am
  The Roman Court had a god, it had many gods. The Roman court is conservative and actually facist (as in the original meaning of the world). The Poman court was not about liberties as liberalism is, but about State control over the individual (think the conervative postion on abortion and homosexuality).
  
  No this is Cain talking out of rear end.
- gwssacredcause
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:41am
  It seems to me the death of Jesus was more a result of “Social Justice” than of Equal Justice, a concept that liberals seem to hold dear.
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:42am
  Rome was an oppressive occupying force…not an elected government. Any comparison of the USA and its citizens to Rome in an occupied land is ridiculous.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:49am
  “Rome was an oppressive occupying force…not an elected government. Any comparison of the USA and its citizens to Rome in an occupied land is ridiculous.”
  
  yeah the romans told their citizens what kind of torches and candles to use to light their homes….and how deep they could dig their latrines….thank God this country would never be SO intrusive….
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:54am
  GWSSACRECAUSE: Jesus was executed because the oppressive, occupying Romans didn‘t want a freakin’ Jewish uprising on their hands on Passover weekend, so they mad an example of anyone perceived to be a troublemaker. It was as simple as that.
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- FormerLib
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:59am
  The fact remains, Jesus didn’t tell his disciples to go collect money and give it to Caesar to feed the poor. In the story of the feeding of the 5,000 at the sermon on the mount, the disciples collected the food that THEY had, and asked Jesus what they should do, and he said “YOU feed them.” Government largess seems compassionate, but what it really does is makes benevolence impersonal and lets people feel good about “giving” without having to get their hands dirty. I have spent countless hours working soup kitchens, handing food out at city parks and counseling the poor, the single mothers, the people with emotional problems. And it changed me as much as it did them. God expects us to minister to the poor personally so that WE can be as changed as they are by the experience. All this taking money from A and giving it to B through a government medium does is create resentment on the part of those being taken from, and dependence and an ironic resentment from those receiving, because there is no personal interaction involved. Thus, it ceases to be charity and becomes politics. .
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:08am
  FORMERLIB: Jesus also didn’t tell his disciples to go out and paint their faces purple and gold, either. What’s your point? You don’t think some of you have a tendency to try to read anything and everything into the Bible?
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- Docrow
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:09am
  @ MYRESPONSE2010
  
  Well said!
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:23am
  [encinom
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:39am
  The Roman Court had a god, it had many gods. The Roman court is conservative and actually facist (as in the original meaning of the world). The Poman court was not about liberties as liberalism is, but about State control over the individual (think the conervative postion on abortion and homosexuality)]
  
  Roman court allowed both abortions and were heavily into promoting homosexuality. State control has happened every time liberals/socialists get into total control. 100%, no doubts, no questions, total state control is the end result of socialism/liberalism.
  
  No this is Encinom talking out of lying liberal rear end.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:26am
  [I understand what Cain means, but in reality Jesus was neither liberal nor conservative. Jesus was, and Jesus is, a King.]
  
  Nice sentiment but kind of dumb logic, sinces kings will always be liberal or conservative or somewhere inbetween. Was Jesus for individual responsibilty, asking people to keep the commandments of God, in other words, abide by proper principals. Of course he did. Therefore he was and will always remain, a conservative.
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- db321
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:31am
  To Cain – Amen brother preach it.
  
  To MyResponse – Nice Point – however, when Jesus comes back I can assure you he will not be on the side of a Godless Society. He turned over the Bingo Tables of the Tabernacle in a effort to keep Satan out of the Church. Revelations speaks of a whole different time for the World and it does not include turning the other cheek.
  
  A time is coming soon when every person on the face of the earth will be asked to choose a political decision to serve or not to serve the Anti Christ. It’s time for the Church of Jesus Christ to stand up and take a stand and ask your self or you going to be on the side of Socialist Self Serving Godless Society or are you going to be on the side of a moral and just society.
  
  The Bible tells us that “Many among us will be deceive by the Anti Christ – even the wisest among us.” It also tells us how to determine a false profit from a true profit – A false profit edifies himself, while a true profit edifies God.
  
  Cain is not saying that he is more Godly than anyone else – he is making a point that needs to radiate from of every God Believing Church in America and it’s followers.
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- tamalezebra
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:10pm
  Nothing upsets the democrats and liberals more than the mere mention of God and his son Jesus. It’s like throwing water on the witch in Wizard of Oz. Now if Jesus had said “it’s ok to kill your babies“ and enjoy ”same sex relations” he would be their hero.
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- TEIN
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:53pm
  @encinom…can you articulate what being a conservative is?? The statement:
  “…but about State control over the individual (think the conservative position on abortion and homosexuality).”
  Conservative do not want state control over these issues rather conservatives do not want the State mandating those position which the State being Fed. Government does!!!
  And the statement with Mr. Cain about the court on Jesus was correct. There was no Roman law broken by Christ, but the protestor’s of the Pharisees and Sadducees wanted their rule, much like Sharia law is being used today, upheld and Jesus was killed according to Pharisees and Sadducees law…the Roman court washed it hands of the matter…so, so much like the liberal court systems of today…
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:00pm
  Yo Lumbar:
  You say… ” Jesus was executed because…..” If I may make a suggestion… please read the bible again if ever, cause your not even close and GAWW misses the side of the barn to!
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- Darren
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:38pm
  Lumbar;
  
  “Any comparison of the USA and its citizens to Rome in an occupied land is ridiculous.”
  
  Ummmmm, the Roman Republic was a significant source of reference for James Madisen when he wrote the US Constitution as well as to decide how our country ought to be governed.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:00pm
  The 12 tables of the Roman Law were a weak set of principles because they were easily changeable on the whim of the politician. The Experiment of America’s founders was to apply Republican governance thru a set of Laws that never change, and limit government from infringing of the peoples GOD given rights to achieve thru self governance and determination the height of individual liberty, with the shackles of the Constitution that is anchored to the Charter by the Supreme Judge of the world.
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- grayshield
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:00pm
  [Conservatives do not rely upon government for the answers to the problem, they rely on true compassion, true ideals of liberty, and self responsibility and accountability. Liberals do not. Liberals look to government as the end all.]
  
  As a Liberal — no, not particularly. The primary difference, for me, between donating to a private group and paying taxes to a government is that I can get more of a say in what the government does with it. In theory, of course, and I’m first in line with protesting how the current administration is structured. (That politicians are often protected from true justice is a great crime.) I can hope that the private group is going to spend the money the way they promised and not to line their own pockets, but unless their management is transparent and honest, I can’t know for sure. At least with and through a government, I have some power to influence change or to remove those in charge whose actions and ideologies don’t match mine.
  
  ‘Course, I still donate to private groups, as many address issues that are and should remain outside of government scope. And I’m plenty in support of personal accountability, which is why I take account of the ways in which my words, choices, and actions affect the people and society in which I live. Conservatives and Liberals embody and enact their ideals differently, but the ideals themselves are usually similar.
sgorney
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:30am
Jesus was “self-employed” as a teacher, Rabbi. He was setting the roots down for the Church to become the servants to those in need. He encouraged his followers to sell their belongings and give to those who needed it. This is still true today. Churches feed and assist millions of people today. It is not sexy or front page news like a “preacher sex scandal”. The selfless, relentless life of Pastors, Rabbis, Deacons and others serving grieving, fighting, hurting, struggling families everyday goes basically unnoticed. Jesus was not preaching about government programs, but trusting in God and serving God as a personal choice and a lifelong mission. Wouldn’t it be amazing if a large majority of the OWS crowd got saved and started serving the Lord like so many do in our churches everyday? Then we would have a TRUE revolution of personal responsibility.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:43am
  Nice sentiment but you are missing the true wisdom of God. Yes, we are meant to serve, but, if possible, God would want everyone to live his rules. And if they did, that means they need a sustainable economy. Which means working for a living, while you are serving. Missions were meant to be temporary.
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- sgorney
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:10pm
  @KMICHAELS – I never implied that those serving others should not also have gainful employment. Paul traveled especially into Europe and Asia surviving as a tent maker. Missions may or may not be temporary but serving the Lord and helping others is permanent. We are called to do it our entire life. It is not a “sentiment”. It is the love of Christ in all of us.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:08pm
  [sgorney
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:10pm
  @KMICHAELS – I never implied that those serving others should not also have gainful employment. Paul traveled especially into Europe and Asia surviving as a tent maker. Missions may or may not be temporary but serving the Lord and helping others is permanent. We are called to do it our entire life. It is not a “sentiment”. It is the love of Christ in all of us]
  
  If that is your sentiment then I truly misunderstood what you were trying to say. In this case, I am in full agreement. Bless you.
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mikenleeds
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:28am
Mr Cain is dead spot on … the ones running our government is no different than the Chicago mob ,

Mr. Cain will have his hands full fighting off the devil
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Meyvn
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:28am
Pretty much.
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V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:25am
Herman Cain continues to pander to the religious right to distract from his flawed 9-9-9 plan and his association with the Federal Reserve.

First the “I won’t appoint any muslims” thing, now this.

Shut up, Herman Cain.

Ron Paul 2012
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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:11am
  Jesus had cross words for the Temple and its money-changers, which were the Jewish equivalent of the Federal Reserve today.
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- Brad
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:22am
  You Ron Paul supporters are what’s wrong with Ron Paul. What is wrong with you people???? Seriously!!!! Ron Paul has GREAT ideas…But his supporters make his come off as a lunatic.
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:31am
  LLOYD DRAKO: “Jesus had cross words for the Temple and its money-changers, which were the Jewish equivalent of the Federal Reserve today.”
  
  No they weren’t. The money changers weren’t the Romans. They were part of the Jewish Temple apparatus. Jesus was protesting the commercialization of his religion and how superficial it was.
  
  Man, I’m probably the least religious person on these boards but I know that.
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- THX-1138
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:35am
  Ron Paul will never be elected President. He’s the Crazy Uncle that shows up at family reunions.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:38am
  [Lloyd Drako
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:11am
  Jesus had cross words for the Temple and its money-changers, which were the Jewish equivalent of the Federal Reserve today.]
  
  Idiotic tripe. Jesus was not mad about business, he was mad about performing business in his Father’s temple. The scriptures are clear on this subject. You’re just a looney crackpot extremist and you want to get in your two bits of john bircher nonsense against the Federal Reserve.
  
  Money changing is simply a service with minimal profit involved. There is nothing immoral about the service, just if and when it is done in the wrong place.
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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:56am
  KMichaels:
  I have nothing against the Federal Reserve. I think it is a useful and entirely constitutional institution, that may need reform. Several of my previous posts should make this clear.
  
  Lumbar:
  As I recall, Jews throughout the Roman Empire (and even beyond) paid a Temple tax, which went into the Temple treasury. The money in that treasury was used not only for sacrifices and offerings at the Temple, but also was sometimes loaned out. In that sense, the Temple functioned as a sort of central bank for Judaea and surrounding areas.
  
  It should be remembered that the Jerusalem Temple was the Jews’ only temple, strictly speaking, so it was a fabulously wealthy institution compared to your run-of-the-mill temple of your average pagan god, who had many. The money-changers were there as a service to pilgrims at Passover, and would have paid fees to the Temple for the right to conduct business. Clearly Jesus thought the Temple was no place for such transactions.
  
  To repeat, it wasn’t the money-changers but the Temple itself that served central bank functions.
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- stopspendingourmoney
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:55pm
  Herman Cain is unelectable and his 999 plan has more holes in it than Swiss cheese, Ron Paul’s plan is much better, he has allot more support and he has been right on everything he has said about tarp, bailouts, housing and the economy, he was right all along, look and see where Cain stands on the feds and tarp, he is just another tool for the elites, wake up Cainites!! he is not the man, he is just more of the same, Ron Paul is who we need at this time. Ron Paul 2012. Cain will be just another nail in America’s coffin possibley the last.
- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:26pm
  [Lloyd Drako
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:56am
  KMichaels:
  I have nothing against the Federal Reserve. I think it is a useful and entirely constitutional institution, that may need reform. Several of my previous posts should make this clear.]
  
  From your previous comment it sure did not sound like it. But if what you just said is true, then my mistake. As to needing reform or even possibly getting rid of it, I am ok with that. It is a complex issue and I am undecided what the best economic plan is, regarding the functions of the Federal Reserve.
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:31pm
  Yo Lumbar:
  the least religious… doesn’t have to be *****
  *My house shall be called a house of prayer but you have made it a den of thiefs.* It wasn’t so much the “business” being couducted it was the thievery.. the lying..,. the cheating…. the hearts of the people. Something that is there that I have never heard spoken on… Jesus just mangled these merchants goods and not one, nobody challenged Him. NOBODY messed with him at that point and He was alone and greatly out numbered. Where is your heart Lumbar? When Jesus comes back He is not going to be messing around. He died at the hands of men once and only once shall it be!
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:41pm
  [4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:31pm
  Yo Lumbar:
  the least religious… doesn’t have to be *****
  *My house shall be called a house of prayer but you have made it a den of thiefs.* It wasn’t so much the “business” being couducted it was the thievery.. the lying..,. the cheating…. the hearts of the people.]
  
  I believe that too, mostly, but I also believe that they could have been doing honest business, and still have been properly condemned, by carrying on that business in a house of God.
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:56pm
  Yo Kmichaels:
  I agree… that was not the point I was trying to make, but probably should have added…. thankyou…. blessings
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- V-MAN MACE
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:12pm
  You neocon Herman Cain supporters are hilarious.
  
  You actually think that by trying to portray ME as incredible that it affects Ron Paul’s campaign?
  
  You are delusional and pathetic. You can attack Ron Paul and his supporters all you want, it doesn‘t change Herman Cain’s association with the Federal Reserve and the fact that he pandered to bigots against muslims with his antimuslim comments, and now he’s pandering to the religious right again.
  
  The moneychangers were exactly the modern day equivalent of the Federal Reserve, changing Chinese money into Federal Reserve notes disguised as American money, robbing the people by lending the people Chinese money into debt bondage.
  
  Jesus Christ called them a den of thieves. The Roman Police State (funded by taxes collected by their equivalent of the Fed and IRS- the Roman Guards and taxmen- a band of robbers) crucified Jesus Christ. They did it after a “democratic” vote that released a murderer named Barabbas and handed Jesus over to be crucified.
  
  Get your facts straight about Jesus.
Gonzo
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:24am
When the leftisits start attacking you it’s a good sign Herman…carry on!
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- Locked
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:37am
  When you start spouting religious rhetoric that would even make Michele Bachmann think twice, you’re in trouble.
  
  Cain won’t become the nominee; he’s been set up to become a buffoon, landing the nomination squarely in Romney’s lap… as per the plans of the established members of the GOP.
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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:41am
  Thanks for making my point.
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- KTsayz
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:46am
  I‘m not a leftist by any means and I’m not taken by what he wrote. If Cain wants to be a preacher, then he should be a preacher.
  I refuse to pin down our Lord the way Cain does. Jesus wasn’t a conservative – He is God. His was a sacred mission and to use Jesus to attack your foes is disgraceful.
  “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.’ Luke 6:27/28
  “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” John 13:34
  ‘But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” Matthew 5:44
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:47am
  LOCKED: “Cain won’t become the nominee; he’s been set up to become a buffoon, landing the nomination squarely in Romney’s lap… as per the plans of the established members of the GOP.”
  
  They can’t seem to grasp that…or to comprehend that Mitt Romney is their best shot to unseat Barack Obama. They live in a right wing echo chamber that shuts out reality…
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:50am
  “They can’t seem to grasp that…or to comprehend that Mitt Romney is their best shot to unseat Barack Obama. ”
  
  yeah we need obama-lite…..go over the cliff, but just a little slower…prolong the agony…
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- Locked
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:00am
  @Gonzo
  
  Ow, my feelings. I‘m sure they’re nowhere near as bruised as yours will be when I’m proven right.
  
  The establishment GOP doesn‘t want Cain to win the nomination because he can’t win the general election; especially not with comments like these. He’s pulling a Palin: he’s putting himself out there as the guy who is confrontational, appeals to the ultra-right base, but will never win in a general election. The purpose? Cain gets to write a book and start up a publicity tour after he fails to get the nomination. Meanwhile, Romney comes off as looking more moderate in order to appeal to independents, who will say “Well at least he isn’t that nutter, Hermain Cain.”
  
  Come on, this is too obvious.
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- Teapartywoman
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:03am
  Amen!!!!!1
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:45pm
  [KTsayz
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:46am
  I‘m not a leftist by any means and I’m not taken by what he wrote. If Cain wants to be a preacher, then he should be a preacher.
  I refuse to pin down our Lord the way Cain does. Jesus wasn’t a conservative – He is God.]
  
  God does not lie. Conservatives believe it is wrong to lie. God believes in personal responsibility. Conservatives believe in personal responsiblity. I think God is simply a perfect conservative. What notion of God goes against conservative belief? Name one, then you might have a point. But make sure your claim is backed with facts.
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- Locked
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:05pm
  @Kmichaels
  “What notion of God goes against conservative belief? Name one, then you might have a point. But make sure your claim is backed with facts.”
  
  Do you claim you speak for God? No? Then there are no facts, simply interpretation of Scripture. Want some examples of how Christians think God is liberal? There was a post on The Blaze in the part few days about liberal churches involved in OWS. They quote liberally (heh, puns!) from Scripture to show Christ as a giver, fully against greed, helping your fellow man, etc. All from Scripture as well.
  
  The problem with statements like “Jesus is a conservative/liberal” is that they’re attempting to apply human terms to the divine. It’s warping Jesus, stripping Him of his Divinity. Jesus was. Jesus is. Jesus will forever be. But notice how each of those end: with a period. Not with a label like liberal/conservative.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:22pm
  [Locked
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:05pm
  @Kmichaels
  “What notion of God goes against conservative belief? Name one, then you might have a point. But make sure your claim is backed with facts.”
  
  Do you claim you speak for God? No? Then there are no facts, simply interpretation of Scripture. Want some examples of how Christians think God is liberal? There was a post on The Blaze in the part few days about liberal churches involved in OWS. They quote liberally (heh, puns!) from Scripture to show Christ as a giver, fully against greed, helping your fellow man, etc. All from Scripture as well.
  
  The problem with statements like “Jesus is a conservative/liberal” is that they’re attempting to apply human terms to the divine. It’s warping Jesus, stripping Him of his Divinity. Jesus was. Jesus is. Jesus will forever be. But notice how each of those end: with a period. Not with a label like liberal/conservative.]
  
  BLAH!!! You speak nonsense. Using your rule we cannot be qualified to say that God is truth or God is love, simply because you would rather say “God is divine.” You are using circular logic that brings us nowhere.
  
  I stick with my words.
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- Locked
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:43pm
  Well, nice to see that virtues are the same as labels to you! Guess that goes with the “Conservatives = truth” and whatnot :-P
  
  I can easily say Jesus’s actions were progressive; he went against the status quo to improve the lot of humanity, which is the non-political definition of progressive. But could I define him as a “Progressive”, ie, Liberal, by today’s standards? Heck no. When did Jesus preach about government-mandated healthcare, or social security for the elderly, or universal education on secular subjects? Never. How about a conservative? When did Jesus talk of cutting back taxes, of abortion in any manner, or right-to-work laws banning unionization? Never.
  
  Christ doesn’t directly address these issues, and thus cannot be labeled “Conservative” or “Liberal.” The best we can do is glean intention from Scripture and apply it to modern matters.
  
  Or, use logic when Scripture doesn’t apply. Take feeding the hungry; liberals would use welfare even if it means taking too much from taxpayers, conservatives would use charity alone even if it meant people would still starve. Does it make sense to ask “What would Jesus Do?” when it comes to feeding the poor? Not in a literal sense… Jesus would use magic to multiply loaves and fish. Somehow… not applicable.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:06pm
  [Locked
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 3:43pm
  Well, nice to see that virtues are the same as labels to you! Guess that goes with the “Conservatives = truth” and whatnot :-P
  
  I can easily say Jesus’s actions were progressive; he went against the status quo to improve the lot of humanity,]
  
  Since Christ stated that some would call night day and day night, and that which is good evil and that which is evil good, then yes, you could make claims that are indeed totally backwards from the truth.
  
  Is progressivism generally bad, as it stands today? I say yes. Is conservatism generally good as it stands today? I say yes. Simple as that. Christ is of a general conservative nature.
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- Locked
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:12pm
  @KMichaels
  
  Aw, now why did you leave out the rest of my quote? “…which is the non-political definition of progressive.” Hey, what a difference that makes; his actions were progressive, which does not make his label a “Progressive.” As I said before: He goes beyond labels, and forcing the Messiah into modern political labels I find incredibly demeaning. Doesn’t stop many politicians from claiming God spoke to them and told them to run though, so I’m guessing you find yourself in the Bachmann/Santorum/Cain/Perry camp of thinking, that conservative politicians are the top pick of God. Actually, judging by your “conservative (ism) = good” remarks, you very well might!
  
  Though it seems odd that He would tell all of them to run… maybe they’re just using religion to fool people? Nah, that can’t be it…
  
  Sorry, got distracted.
  
  I don’t expect you to admit to comprehending the difference, as you’ve already stated that being progressive (with a lower-case p) is bad. Which means changing the status quo would be bad. Which means, you know, Jesus himself would be, in your view, bad.
  
  Unless you think Jesus didn’t change things… like, opening Heaven, granting eternal life, anything like that. In which case you might want to check a book called “The Bible.”
  
  For me, I can easily say Jesus was progressive for his time. And in NO WAY does that make him a Progressive or a Conservative today.
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Harryc123
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:24am
Dale Carnegie, the author of “How to win friends and influence people” Wrote a chapter called, noone ever kicks a dead dog. The attacks on future president Cain are a perfect example of this philosophy.
The higher he is propelled, the more people want to kick him.
They’re scared. And they damn well better be.
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- Bluebonnet
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:25am
  Harry. Yes, I agree. Cain refers to an analogy. What’s so hard to understand that? The man is a Christian and has never tried to shove it down our throats. We know he’s is a man who believes what he says. I appreciate knowing Cain has firm belief in Jesus, unlike our VP who goes around making stupid statements and using unbecoming language on the public airwaves. Now that’s a real jerk!
  
  Herman Cain is the first person running for any office whom I truly believe, unlike our current Prez. who smoozed the public with chanting words that meant NOTHING truthful.
  His words are lies, marxist and he’s turning us into a 3rd world country if we let him continue. Where else have we heard chanting? Wall Street? Right out of Saul Alinsky training.
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Viking64
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:22am
I say hats off the Mr Cain, he has courage to speak what he believes to be the truth and I agree with his opinion. Cain has character and I wish him well on his quest to become POTUS.
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commonsenseguy
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:21am
if liberals are against killing, hello,why are they not beating on the white hose doors, why are they not calling for obama to be tried for war crimes, hello,he has ordered the killing of two { i know really worthless people } but killing none the less, and the more herman cain speaks, the more i like what he has to say and what he stand for.
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Centralsville
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:20am
Liberals, like the true Marxists they are, use the poor. They hold millions in poverty for their own power.
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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:28am
  Indeed, and the fact that is driving them mad (the Democrats and Progressives) about Cain is he does not ‘wear his faith” he actually LIVES his faith. With Cain, what you hear and see is what really is there.
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BrewGnat
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:20am
“with a radical message of humility, non-violence, selflessness and faith in the seemingly impossible” Does this describe a Tea Party person or an OWS person? What Left Wing atheists don‘t understand about Jesus and the Bible is that we are not supposed to be dependent on the Government for our salvation but depend on God’s Grace and mercy. He didn’t feed the masses with Government credit cards, he performed a miracle of dividing bread and fish. Tyhe lesson is all things are possible through God not Ceasar.
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AntiLiberal74
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:20am
“Speaking to another point, ThinkProgress can’t fathom why Cain called the court that sentenced Jesus to death “liberal.” TP’s Zaid Jilani writes:
Cain does not explain why he finds the Roman court that sentenced and executed Jesus to be “liberal.” But his claim is baffling for all kinds of reasons, only one of which is the fact that liberals tend to be ideologically opposed to capital punishment while conservatives tend to favor it.”

So let me get this straight. The liberals of 2000 years ago are the same as the liberals of today. The conservatives of today are the same as conservatives of 2000 years ago. Yet, the Democrats of today want you to believe that the Democrats of 50 years ago are the Republicans of today because of some mysterious role reversal. Isn’t it delightful how you can win any argument by twisting logic like a pretzel???
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:37am
  Your argument lacks all logic. Cain did not write this 50 yrs ago. His comparison is based in current conceptions of right and left, not historic.
  You come off almost as dumb as Cain.
Pardawg
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:19am
He’s got my vote…I belong the the Conservative, Compassionate, Christian, Capitalist party…if only there was such a party….
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Applehead
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:18am
Jesus was above conservatism is was and is PERFECT!!!
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:22pm
  Jesus is a perfect conservative. Not that difficult to understand.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:18am
STOP IT!

Stop politicizing Jesus. Good gravy, when the Liberals with their mush minded idiocy do it, it’s wrong, and when the Conservatives with their mush minded idiocy do it, it’s wrong.

Jesus was about individual salvation and providing a path for man to get into Heaven by accepting Him as their personal Lord and Savior. While politics played in his life as an external force, he was not an advocate of any political idea or ideal. He was here to save all men who can hear and see and believe, and I doubt He gives a fetid dingo’s kidney what politics you follow, as long as you are righteous and accept Him as your Lord and Savoior (are saved, iow).

Good works do not make Him a Leftist, upholding God’s law does not make him a Conservative.

Cain, every day you disappoint me more and more. First you thrust the “I’m more black than him” thing into the ring, now this.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:28am
  “Jesus was about individual salvation and providing a path for man to get into Heaven by accepting Him as their personal Lord and Savior. While politics played in his life as an external force, he was not an advocate of any political idea or ideal.”
  
  He was also about letting God be God, and not having the government try to take His place.
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:36am
  JOE1234: “He was also about letting God be God, and not having the government try to take His place.”
  
  In what freakin’ Bible is THAT?
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- V-MAN MACE
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:41am
  Jesus Christ is the head of church and state.
  
  He is the cornerstone.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:46am
  “In what freakin’ Bible is THAT?”
  
  notice He didn’t tell Pontius to set up a welfare program…the bible says if you don’t work, you don’t eat. He didn’t tell people to look to the government for solutions to their problems, rather God…
  
  if you haven’t noticed….in welfare states like britain…christianity fades…because why do you need to look to God, when the government gives you everything you need, thereby taking God’s place?
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- KTsayz
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:56am
  Ghost, I also find this disgusting – though you didn’t use those words. This Cain glorification has reached the sickening point.
  I don‘t admire anything about him anymore and I can’t wait until he fades away – as he should.
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:43am
  @KMichaels
  
  No, what you’re attempting to do is pick and choose the facets of your ideology that may fit into what Christ taught and claim them as applying to the whole of your ideology. Everybody does that, and everybody can point to things Jesus said or advocated that fir their given ideology. But take the whole of your ideology and it doesn’t fit Christ at all (I doubt Jesus would launch one B-2 bomber or even have one built). Your statement “he didn’t believe in forcing charity” is true, but it can also be said to be a libertarian ideal. It can also be said, this is going to hurt a lot I know, to fit an pacifist anarchistic communist ideal (who do not believe in force either, I’m not talking about dictatorship prolitareat Marxism here). See how that works?
  
  This is the political equivalent of reading the Bible in exegesis and cherry picking one’s facts. If Jesus only represented one *man made* ideology, he wouldn’t be fit to be the Lord and Savior of all mankind. Ideologies approach and distance themselves from Christ, not the other way around.
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- db321
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:39pm
  This may come as a shock to most Church goers in America – but if Jesus was on the Earth today – he would not be welcome or excepted in many of our Churches. For some this is going to be a hard pill to swallow, but it is one that must be be swallowed.
  
  If Jesus walked into a Church today that teaches, anything other than what’s in the Bible, or has a Gay Pastor, or who’s congregants brings a Casserole on Sunday, but carry a sign that says eliminate the Jews on Monday, he would rebuke that Church and leave on his own or be thrown out instantly.
  
  The last Chapter of the Bible warns not to add to or take away from anything in the book of God. Yet some Pastors do so they can go along to get along.
  
  Pastors – it’s time for you to stand up on Sunday and tell your Congregants to dust off the Giant Bible on the Coffee table and start reading it.
  
  ALL THE SIGNS ARE HERE that we are in the time of Jesus return and he will be riding in on a white horse and waving the sword of truth, he will not be politically correct nor liberal, it will be Gods law or the Lake of Fire.
  
  And one of the first thing he is going to pull Hitler, Mussolini, Mohammad, Attila The Hun, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung and any other Murderous two bit dictator out of their graves buy the scruff of their necks and stand them before the Judgement of God. Then he is going to give them a swift kick in the but into the Lake of Fire for Eternity.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:24pm
  [GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:43am
  @KMichaels
  
  No, what you’re attempting to do is pick and choose the facets of your ideology that may fit into what Christ taught and claim them as applying to the whole of your ideology. Everybody does that, and everybody can point to things Jesus said or advocated that fir their given ideology.
  
  If Jesus only represented one *man made* ideology, he wouldn’t be fit to be the Lord and Savior of all mankind. Ideologies approach and distance themselves from Christ, not the other way around.]
  
  Wrong on many counts. I believe that conservatism attempts to match Christ’s ideal. Since most conservatives are also Christian, then it is natural to attempt to match our political ideals with our Christian ideals.
  
  Some idiots will say you cannot mix Christianity with politics. These people are as stupid as those that say you cannot mix Christianity with science, or business, or homelife.
  
  Christianity is a way of life and conservatism is not only compatitible to it but reflective of it.
  
  As to B2s you can count on Jesus/God defending his people, check out how he says he will fight against those that fight against Israel.
  
  Your biggest mistake is how you lamely assume that conservative ideals must be labeled as “man-made”. Is freely given charity man-made? NO. Personal responsibility man-made? NO. Defending the innocent man-made? NO.
  
  After all is said and done, it is you that are confused.
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Swancman
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:17am
First?!
Isn’t it just ironic that this is being brought up as Herman Cain is jumping in the polls?
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:52am
  It is not ironic, you are looking for a different word…maybe ‘fishy’? I personally think it smells…maybe the mormon powers that be have had a word with glenn??
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Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:16am
This is so dumb…

“Conservative” by what standards? Modern American conservatism? European conservatism? Likud Party conservatism?

I’d rather think that Jesus would be tremendously offended to have his life and teachings placed in the inherently corrupt context of politics.

Keep talking, Herman…every time you open your mouth there‘s a good chance you’ll say something you have to walk back in a few days. This guy ain’t Presidential material, by a long shot.
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:19am
  @Lumbar
  
  Ah, wonderful, it seems we have an area of perfect agreement. My post, which has not shown up yet but which I’ve already hit the Reply button on, stated exactly the same thing in different words.
  
  All men of good will can find common ground even if they have diverging ideologies. Cheers mate.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:27am
  “I’d rather think that Jesus would be tremendously offended to have his life and teachings placed in the inherently corrupt context of politics.”
  
  I doubt it, since He is the one who puts people on thrones and brings them down…
  
  Luke 1:52
  
  52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
  but has lifted up the humble.
  
  Jeremiah 43;10
  
  Then say to the people of Judah, ‘This is what the LORD of Heaven’s Armies, the God of Israel, says: I will certainly bring my servant Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, here to Egypt. I will set his throne over these stones that I have hidden. He will spread his royal canopy over them.
  
  conservative as in not having the government play god…like you want it to.
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:28am
  Right back at you, JEFF…
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- commonsenseguy
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:31am
  @ghost,i normally agree with most ever thing you post, but this one i would have to say not so much, the reason being, that even in a perfect world,{ to which we all know we are not } religion has and will always be a part of politics,i am not saying it is right, but it has always be that way unfortunately this is the way it will always be , some one will not like some one because of their beliefs,sad but very true, but i do agree that religion should not be a part of any political debate.>>>>>>
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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:33am
  Lumbar: “This guy ain’t Presidential material, by a long shot.”
  Then who is? Perry, Romney, Paul, Obama?
  What are you looking for?
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:47am
  “Lumbar: “This guy ain’t Presidential material, by a long shot.”
  Then who is? Perry, Romney, Paul, Obama?
  What are you looking for?”
  
  uh I think Obama’s too conservative for lumbar…he’s looking for a che, you know someone to ‘take care’ of the enemy….ie you and me….
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:58am
  @Commonsense
  
  Relion and politics would be a part of your world, yes. Jesus was not a political label, which was *my* point. To try and make God a particular human defined political ideologue seems to me to be highly questionable bordering on heresy.
  
  If God’s kingdom were on Earth, then yes, we’d all say “Hey, we’re Christians” and that would explain both our religion and politics. But that kingdom is not here, yet, and confining God to any manmade ideology is thus bogus, in my view.
  
  That has nothing to do with *your* ideology or how you apply Christ’s teachings to your daily thoughts, philosophies and politics.
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- THX-1138
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:40am
  Those that strive to misunderstand are usually successful.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 5:22pm
  [GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:58am
  @Commonsense
  
  Relion and politics would be a part of your world, yes. Jesus was not a political label, which was *my* point. To try and make God a particular human defined political ideologue seems to me to be highly questionable bordering on heresy.]
  
  Any word, since humans are using them, can suffer from what you are saying. Some dope somebody could complain if we said Jesus is Love, Jesus is God, Jesus is Truth, Jesus is Good or even Jesus is Conservative. They are all words. What is the spirit that Cain used his words?
  
  They had nothing to do with the 2012 election since they were written about a year ago. I am thinking that Ghost is too uptight about it, and that too many blaze posters are getting caught up in a game of semantics.
  
  If we don’t think that our chosen party is generally good and generally Christlike then we need to form a new party.
  
  For those that would “make an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate” then I say, back off, reevaluate, calm down, use the spirit of discernment and quit being so anal.
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- kmichaels
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 12:35pm
  [GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:58am
  @Commonsense
  
  Relion and politics would be a part of your world, yes. Jesus was not a political label, which was *my* point. To try and make God a particular human defined political ideologue seems to me to be highly questionable bordering on heresy.]
  
  Lame logic, since humans use language to describe everything, including God. Christ used labels all the time. He labeled some fools and hypocrites. He labeled others workers of righteouseness. He lables others workers of iniquity.
  
  Christ warned of “those that call night day and day night. That put good for evil and evil for good.” Labels, labels, labels.
  
  It is moronic to assume that we are faulty by using words or labels to describe Christ.
  
  Is giving charity freely a Christian ideal, a political ideal, a way of life or all of the above. I say all of the above.
  
  Is forcing people to give to charity a Christian ideal? NO. A way of life for some. A political ideal for some, but in this case, it misses being a Christian ideal. See the difference?
  
  Most conservative ideals mesh with Christian ideals. This is not that tough of a concept.
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CoffeeMan777
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:16am
Im liking Herman Cain more and more every day.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:16am
The more Cain starts to get popular, the more they will try to tear him down.
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kickagrandma
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:16am
You go, Herman Cain!!! YES, indeed HE was!
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AntiLiberal74
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:15am
Way to tweek the Jim Wallis crowd!!!! hehehehe
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- Mohawk1773
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:09am
  …and United Methodists, and Wright’s Black Theology, and all other congregations that have been subverted by leftist principles.
  
  They feed on the poor, at the poor’s expense, they take from them wealth, dreams, aspirations, and their very spirit and build envy in their hearts instead.
  
  And for this may they be cursed forever.
  
  Peace.
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capitalismrocks
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:14am
Jesus believed in individualism and personal responsibility
Jesus believed in charity by people to people
Jesus believed in helping his fellow man

These are all Conservative beliefs and values.

The Liberals would have favored Rome being in charge of individuals rights, fates and care
The Liberals believe that the government should be the charity and that it must take from the people so that Rome can decide who should receive, what they should receive and how much they should receive.
The Liberals feel that person responsibility and personally helping others is too burdensome, let the Roman empire do it and do it as they see fit.

Liberals would love the Roman Empire

Jesus would never have told his followers to give their possessions, labor and rights to the Roman Empire, to be enslaved under dominion of men to decide the fate of them….

This is why Jesus was a Conservative.
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- AntiLiberal74
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:20am
  Amen Brother!!!
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:33am
  Your comparisons and contrasts are actually much much better than Cain’s. Is the article saying that he sat down, took his time, and wrote this epic failure…and then PUBLISHED IT? This is a sad demonstration of someone who cannot articulate his point of view. There are misspellings and grammatical errors in it too. I did not see any mistakes in your concise duplication of what Cain did, and I’m sure you wrote it in seconds versus Cain actually spending time on his. Calling it a liberal court is a mistake, especially when he follows it by saying the court kills him. So many mistakes. wow.
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:40am
  Rome was an oppressive occupying force…not an elected government.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:47am
  “Rome was an oppressive occupying force…not an elected government”
  
  our government is an oppressive occupying force….elected or not.
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:03am
  JOE1234: “our government is an oppressive occupying force….elected or not.”
  
  Joe, why do you hate America so much? Our government was duly elected by the will of the people. Our government is the greatest one on earth…and you call it an occupying force? Leave if you don’t like America, Joe.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:09am
  “Joe, why do you hate America so much? Our government was duly elected by the will of the people. Our government is the greatest one on earth…and you call it an occupying force? Leave if you don’t like America, Joe.”
  
  I’d like to…wish there was somewhere freer to go. apparently the people of this country want a socialist state that controls every aspect of their lives….including what light bulbs to use….ridiculous.
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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:16am
  Jesus believed the world was going to end very shortly. His lack of interest in politics, and almost everything else about Him, flows from that fact.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:18am
  “Jesus believed the world was going to end very shortly. His lack of interest in politics, and almost everything else about Him, flows from that fact.”
  
  it depends upon your definition of shortly…as CS Lewis…Aslan calls all times soon…
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- MEDICINE TO THE DEAD
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:28am
  JESUS WOULD HAVE NEVER CONDONED CHARITY AT THE TIP OF A ROMAN SPEAR, i.e. welfare, food stamps, entitlements. If I don’t want to contribute to those, the man comes beating down my door. Liberals believe in force charity, which is otherwise known as THEFT. It is no different than the welfare recipient mugging me in an ally at gun point and taking my money except it goes though a third party. Let me decide who I think is deserving of my money! END ENTITLEMENTS!!!
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:31am
  Joe, were you complaining 3 yrs ago or is this new to you? Light bulbs, really? Whatever your fears are, they should not be encompassed by your issue with bulbs. You want to be freer? What about the freedom to abort children? Or maybe you subscribe to ron paul‘s ’freedom to do heroin’? I understand how some people see socialism peeking in, but you should note that the difference between rich and poor in this country is the largest among industrialized nations…that is as far away from socialism as you can get.
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:04pm
  “Joe, were you complaining 3 yrs ago or is this new to you? Light bulbs, really? Whatever your fears are, they should not be encompassed by your issue with bulbs.”
  
  uh thats just a symptom of the ridiculous lengths the government goes to control every aspect of our lives.
  
  ” You want to be freer? What about the freedom to abort children? ”
  
  it ALWAYS comes down to killing babies with you libs…what about asking the baby if it wants to be aborted? but then you democrats have a long history of dehumanizing groups….blacks, native americans, japanese americans, unborn babies, tea party members…
  
  ” understand how some people see socialism peeking in, but you should note that the difference between rich and poor in this country is the largest among industrialized nations…that is as far away from socialism as you can get.”
  
  oh please the socialism of your dreams…the real socialism always has the very rich and the very poor….some pigs are more equal than others.
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- CoffeeMan777
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:53pm
  So many politicians claim to know how Jesus would do things, and they speak at times as though He was their running mate. I think when Jesus returns, shock and surprise will be the order of the day. Jesus wasn’t politically motivated when He was here. His purpose according to Scripture was to seek and save the lost. His teachings were specifically geared for individuals, and not meant for the establishment of a national government. Furthermore, when He returns, democracy will vanish. Hes not going to hold an election, He wont run in a campaign or verbally spar in debates over policies. Hes going to arrive in force, in war, violently depose the human governments, and establish His Throne by means of bloody conquest. (Revelation 19)
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LiberalMarine
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:14am
Condemned by a “Liberal” court?! And this guy thinks he should be president…
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- joe1234
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:19am
  liberals are statists…they love an imperial all-powerful state…
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:21am
  I have to agree. The power structure in Rome at the time of Jesus was straight forward in wishing to preserve in whole the traditional power structure and hierarchy of Rome. That’s hardly a Liberal position.
  
  Jesus was apolitical as far as Him advocating any particular socio-political-economic system. His concern was with the salvation of mankind.
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- marvlus
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:24am
  Condemned by a system that felt threatened by a single man wanting to help his fellow man. Kinda like the government that wants to enable people to be dependent upon the government, i.e. the liberals.
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- Lumbar Spine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:33am
  MARVLUS…Rome was actually an occupying force…not exactly the “government” as we think of it. The Messiah the Jews were looking for at the time was actually to free them from the oppression of that occupying Roman force.
  
  And don’t you think it demeans Jesus to try to place his life in the context of modern conservative politics?
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- Teufel Hunden
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:35am
  Take a poll among our military members and see who they would prefer. Your man Barrack or Herman Cain. You’d be surprised lib. As a conservative Marine, I am rooting for him! Oooorah!
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- LiberalMarine
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:39am
  You’re right, a large percent of the military is conservative. However, they don’t represent all of the American people.
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- V-MAN MACE
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:40am
  He was condemned by a “democratic” process… not a “liberal court”.
  
  The PEOPLE voted to release Barabbas instead of Christ. The “courts” of the time tried to wash their hands of the issue, they could find no guilt in Jesus.
  
  The religious hierarchy pressed the people to condemn Christ and even tried to trick Christ into speaking out against taxation by Ceasar (the Czar), so that he would be delivered into the hands of the Romans (the Police State).
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- Therightsofbilly
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:20am
  @LIBERALMARINE
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:39am
  “You’re right, a large percent of the military is conservative. However, they don’t represent all of the American people.”
  
  You are correct……….not all of the people………..Just the best of the people
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- Lloyd Drako
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:07pm
  V-Man:
  “The PEOPLE voted to release Barabbas instead of Christ.” True, but “the people” were apparently some sort of rent-a-mob gotten together to make the case for Jesus’ Jewish enemies and to give Pilate cover for ordering crucifixion. The matter was not decided by any sort of formal majority vote, but by who shouted the loudest.
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- V-MAN MACE
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:16pm
  Drako
  
  That’s my point of putting quotation marks around the word “democratic”.
  
  The fact is, the religious hierarchy, the Roman Police State, the mob of people, AND the money is what got Jesus Christ crucified.
  
  Remember, Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, and the Roman guards gambled over his garments.
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- mharris2012
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 9:01pm
  Yea an what’s wrong with that he can be pres an maybe he should be.Jesus is a conservative because he is loving an kind an sweet an he’s my saviour.Maybe you need to make him your’s?
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- Mohawk1773
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 4:42am
  @Liberal — Have the rats already won, Winston? Maybe “Liberal Fascism” would be a good book to read. I know what you think the word means, but words are only useful objects to control the “social construct” that is your mind. As Nikolai Bukharin used the free press, they will use your mind until it is no longer needed.
  
  @Spiney — “And don’t you think it demeans Jesus to try to place his life in the context of modern conservative politics?”
  
  No man should ever walk as Gandhi either. Or Martin Luther King Jr. We’ll never draw analogies like Hank Williams Jr. did again, we’ll all be good for the Statists. You’re right, Jesus was a Socialist. We’re…
  
  Down For The Cause!
  
  Whiners of The World Unite!!!
  
  Peace.
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SREGN
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:13am
God bless you, Mr. Cain, for daring to speak the truth.
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- Nlitend1
  Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:43am
  Just because you agree with it, doesn’t make it the truth. He dared to sound like an imbecile, he dared make a very popular point…and do it very poorly. This is not something to be proud of, nor is it something to say if you are running for president.
- emernst
  Posted on October 21, 2011 at 7:56pm
  God bless Herman Cain. He has the courage and backbone to speak the truth. The reasons he gives for his statement are most certainly valid. Those reasons are truth. His conclusion is based on truth.
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Michael61
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:34am
Well, as some great scientist said:

“If your theory has contradictions, it is mature enough”. Or something to that effect.

And vice versa. If your believes have no contradictions, you didn’t think hard enough.

Of course you have no clue about the Godel theorem, so my words are lost on you, but posting anyway.
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NickyLouse
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:39am
Michael,
Can the truth ever be untrue? And how can I believe you?
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Michael61
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:49am
Tell that to Godel.

There are statements that are true. There are statements that are false. And there are statements that can not be proven true or false. Those statements are called paradoxes or contradictions, and they always exist in any system, including Herman Cain belief system.

You can not reconcile many issues like pro-life, pro-choice, death penalty, Christianity, et cetera. Each of them individually is true, but there are situations where they will necessarily contradict.
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