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Holocaust Survivors Outraged Over Concentration Camp Garb During Ultra-Orthodox Protest

Holocaust Survivors Outraged Over Concentration Camp Garb During Ultra Orthodox Protest

Ultra-Orthodox Jews dress as Nazi concentration camp inmates during a protest in Jerusalem Saturday, images that have drawn outrage from Holocaust survivors. (Image source: AFP)

JERUSALEM (The Blaze/AP) — Images of ultra-Orthodox Jews dressing up as Nazi concentration camp inmates during a protest drew widespread condemnation Sunday and added a new twist to a simmering battle over growing extremism inside Israel’s insular ultra-Orthodox community.

The ultra-Orthodox community is facing increasing criticism for its efforts to separate men and women in public spaces, and Saturday’s protest, in which a child mimicked an iconic photo of a terrified Jewish boy in the Warsaw Ghetto, added to the outrage.

(Related: Israeli News Crew Attacked by Ultra-Orthodox Sect Near Jerusalem)

Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews gathered Saturday night in Jerusalem to protest what they say is a nationwide campaign directed against their lifestyle. The protesters called Israeli policemen Nazis, wore yellow Star of David patches with the word “Jude” — German for Jew — dressed their children in striped black-and-white uniforms associated with Nazi concentration camps and transported them in the back of a truck.

Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial denounced the use of Nazi imagery as “disgraceful,” and several other survivors’ groups and politicians condemned the acts.

“We must leave the Holocaust and its symbols outside the arguments in Israeli society,” said Moshe Zanbar, chairman of the main umbrella group for Holocaust survivors in Israel. “This harms the memory of the Holocaust.”

Holocaust Survivors Outraged Over Concentration Camp Garb During Ultra Orthodox Protest

Two little girls wear yellow Star of David patches with the German word for "Jew" during an ultra-Orthodox protest in Jerusalem Saturday. (AP)

Six million Jews were killed by German Nazis and their collaborators during World War II. About 200,000 aging survivors of the Holocaust live in Israel.

Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up 10 percent of Israel’s population. In the past, they have generally confined their strict lifestyle to their own neighborhoods. But they have become increasingly aggressive in trying to impose their ways on others as their population has grown and spread to new areas.

Extremist sects within the ultra-Orthodox community have been under fire of late for their attempts to ban mixing of the sexes on buses, sidewalks and other public spaces.

In one city, some have jeered and spit at girls walking to school, saying they were dressed immodestly. They’ve also battled with police over street signs calling for segregation and attacked journalists who have covered their neighborhoods. In recent weeks, a few young Israeli women have caused nationwide uproars for refusing the orders of religious men to move to the back of public buses.

These practices, albeit by a fringe sect, have unleashed a backlash against the ultra-Orthodox in general, the climax of which came last week in a large demonstration where protesters held signs reading, “Free Israel from religious coercion,“ and ”Stop Israel from becoming Iran.”

Holocaust Survivors Outraged Over Concentration Camp Garb During Ultra Orthodox Protest

Ultra-Orthodox Jews dress in Holocaust garb during a protest in Jerusalem Saturday. (Image source: Reuters)

Rabbi Yitzhak Weiss, one of the organizers of Saturday’s protest, said the use of Nazi symbols was intentional and aimed at highlighting what he said was a campaign by the secular media against his community.

“The idea was to convey a clear and simple message: that wild incitement against the ultra-Orthodox community will not be tolerated,” he told The Associated Press. “The Israeli media‘s incitement is reminiscent of the German media’s before World War II.”

One of the protesters, Yaakov Israel, told Channel 2 TV that his community feels “persecuted” by the Israeli establishment. “We feel what is being done to us here is a spiritual Holocaust,” he said.

It’s not the first time ultra-Orthodox Jews have referred to the Holocaust in their political struggles. But the sight of children dressed in garb that conjures up images of the darkest period in Jewish history was unprecedented. It sparked angry rebuttals that only exacerbated Israel’s brewing religious war.

Israeli leaders condemned the display and called on the ultra-Orthodox leadership to speak out against it.

“This is a terrible offense against the memory of the Holocaust victims who were forced, secular and Ultra-Orthodox alike, to wear the yellow star in the ghetto on their way to extermination, and there is no demonstration in the world that can justify this,” said opposition leader Tzipi Livni.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak called the display “shocking and horrifying” and a “crossing of a red line.”

The American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, an umbrella organization of U.S. survivors, expressed its “utter contempt at this disgraceful exploitation” of the Nazi symbols.

“We who survived and witnessed these Nazi crimes are particularly offended that demonstrators so blithely used children in this public outrage. They have insulted the memory of all the Jewish victims, including those who were ultra-Orthodox,” the organization’s vice president, Elan Steinberg, said in a statement.

“The Nazis made no distinction in their murderous treatment of our people – whether one was ultra-Orthodox, traditional, or nonbeliever, you were marked for cruelty and death.”

Comments (136)

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  • SHIPMONEY100TRILLION
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 4:43pm

    DIscusiting fools should be accoutable for the way they treat the Jewish People.

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    • Eliasim
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 4:59pm

      Unfortunately that’s what happens to youth and adults when they grow up in a fairly easy life, they think just not getting what they want is equivalent to concentration camps. Just look at the spoiled youth in America, in that many of them think not getting desert after a meal is hardship, or not getting to eat three or four full meals per day is hardship, or not having two color TV’s is hardship. It’s also called: forgetting about God.

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    • Eliasim
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:01pm

      Just imagine how rotten Kids will be when their parents can’t afford electricity to power their game-consoles, or they have to space out one meal per day into three meals.

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    • Eliasim
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:04pm

      And that’s just one of several reasons that parents with suckling children will have Great tribulation.

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    • Eliasim
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:13pm

      And I hear the Pope say that the future rests on the youth and them getting taught correctly. But who’s going to teach them, other ungrateful people, or control mongers who are control mongers because they think themselves greater than they are? Or is someone actually going to be allowed by the government to put their children through some hardship so the child can learn? We have governments that force people to lift their tools to their children.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:37pm

      Re-read your post knowing the fact that these people are the Jews. No sense nonsense.

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    • JayCee
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:10pm

      Are you referring to the Jewish people who dressed as holocust victims as “discusting fools”?

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    • cgnick
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:42pm

      Read the article before commenting.

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    • Black Tiger
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 8:14am

      THis is what happens when people forget; they get complacent and comfortable – these idiots have no idea of the kind of suffering their predecessors endured during the Holocaust; The Ghettos, the concentration camps, the ovens; images of a time where evil men did evil things to people because they were deemed “inferior”.

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  • SHIPMONEY100TRILLION
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 4:42pm

    I stand with Isreal.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:35pm

      Well then, go to Israel and don’t return until you stand for America… you traitor.

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    • cgnick
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:43pm

      Read the article. Your statement makes no sense as to the article.

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  • SHIPMONEY100TRILLION
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 4:41pm

    I stand with Israel and anyone that is making fun of the good Jewish people will may also anwer to me.
    Oh, by the way that is not a good thing. You sick bastards.

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    • epming
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:29pm

      I don’t understand what is happening with Israel. It seems to me that outside forces are trying to destroy it by causing division and strife among its citizens. To exploit and mock the Holocaust is just sickening, and I bet Iran’s leaders-not necessarily the people are enjoying this.

      I have to wonder if our “ esteemed”(sarcasm intended) Secretary of State helped this along with her comments about how women are unfairly treated in Israel. She displayed her ignorance about Orthodox Judaism, possibly causing this group to react in very destructive ways.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:42pm

      Israel’s inhumanity is catching up to Israel. One can not hide atrocities, brutalities, cruelties, and ruthless savagery forever.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 10:50pm

      If we‘re gonna vilify muslims for their subordination of women then it’s about time the orthodox subordination of women is exposd. why has it has taken so long is the real question.and the fact that only when a rival jewish community protests does it even come to light. oh and islam IS judaism of the most orthodox original biblical sort.I side with palestuinians and hope for a two state or better a one state where arabs return to israel and live as citizens of that state. a jewish majority state is by definition a racist concept and no american should morally support such a concept. You guys are Un -american-.gulled by the zionist american media.

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    • JayCee
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:13pm

      Do you also stand with all the extremists of the world that oppress women?

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    • Cesium
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 2:15am

      Rose Ellen.. you get nothing here! the “ultra-orthadox” do not represent the history of the jewish people. 1) they didn’t come about until the 1700s, 2)even though they are what jews like me would consider extremest, when is the last time a hassidic jew suicide bombed innocent muslims in a bus or theater?

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    • kevindean3
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 5:49am

      Israel’s inhumanity is catching up to Israel. One can not hide atrocities, brutalities, cruelties, and ruthless savagery forever.

      What inhumanity? What atrocities?

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    • qzak491
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 10:37am

      Man souds like old smackdown has got their panties in a bunch. As far as the article is concerned, if these Jews want to dress up like concentration camp inmates, ship them to Iran and they will be treated like concentration camp inmates were treated. These guys sound as nuts as the Moslem Brotherhood.

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    • Arminius23
      Posted on January 3, 2012 at 8:21am

      ultra-orthodox jews are breed all their own. Funny how they will scream and cry for support of their ideologies but will not lift a finger in defense of their nation. This is also the same group that thinks gentiles are nothing more than people to be exploited. Do not confuse this group with any other movement within Judaism. Matter of fact I wouldn’t even associate them with Judaism. Class: Know your movements: Ultra-Orthodox (Kaballah, Mishnah, Talmud, Rashid, Torah, status: Fanatic), Orthodox (Kaballah, Mishnah, Talmud, Rashid, Torah, status: Liberal), Conservative (Kaballah, Mishnah, Talmud, Rashid, Torah, status: Liberal with toned down tendency), Reformed (Kaballah, Mishnah, Talmud, Rashid, Torah, status: Liberal usually only follow Torah and take the others under advisement), Khazar (Kaballah, Mishnah, BABYLONIAN Talmud only, Rashid, Torah, status: Fanatic sometimes integrate with Ultra-Orthodox) Karaite (Torah only, status: Conservative), and of course (many will disagree) Messianic (Torah, New Testament, status: Conservative parallels Christianity with Jewish Philosophy). Did I miss anybody?

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  • Kiba
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 4:36pm

    What they do over there isnt any of our binnus. They were the ones that went thru that thing so let them handle it as they wish. Having said that tho I am getting some very mixed-feelings about some of the jewish people anymore, its like the more I learn about them the more I am starting to think they are kinda strange for the sake of a better word. Dont get me wrong, I have always been on their side but I thought I heard on Glenn Becks show awhile back that it was against the law to practice anyother religion other than Judeism (sp?) and if that is true I dont see how they are very much different than the way they are in Iran. And I hope that doesnt bend anyone out of shape on here, but if its true how do you respond to it? Just wondering.

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 4:50pm

      Israel has freedom of religion. Where did you hear otherwise?

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    • dirigo
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:31pm

      They have Churchs for Christians and Mosques for Muslims in Israel:)

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    • Kiba
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 6:58pm

      I will reply to you all doing this. Anyhow I thought it sounded pretty strange myself and apperantly heard it wrong. But its not like you can rewind a radio show either. I was shocked and am very glad to learn it isnt true. Thanks, I stand corrected.

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    • Cesium
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 2:19am

      @KIBA well so you know these Jews, the ultra orthodox are the “strange” ones… and they do not represent the history of jews.. These black dressing hassids with the peyas begin in the 1700s.. they are a fringe group and most of them probably live in Brooklyn and Queens, but they have “chabad’s” in may US cities

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  • Joyce D
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:52pm

    I am pro-Palestinian but I was offended by what the protesters said and what they did. There is a line and that line was crossed. I also think that the Heredim are getting scapegoated. Israel makes a big deal about a violation of rights of a woman on a bus and at the same time permits a few hundred Bedouin to have there homes razed in East Jerusalem.

    Abe Foxman should rule on whether the use of Holocaust symbols are fair to use to highlight modern problems or not. I think it is like a bunch of skinheads wearing Nazi stuff. My friend says that it is like a bunch of Blacks wearing slave clothes to show how they are being treated today. I just don’t know.

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  • 1776freedomofspeech
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:31pm

    How are you Ultra-Orthodox Jews going to compare the Holocaust to Israeli criticisms against your religious extremism? Too much drama. Don’t we have enough drama with the Muslims?

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    • Bakko Bomma
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 4:49pm

      How is it any of your business?

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:17pm

      Bakko – if it is put out in a public forum then it is open for comments. Simple enough. The insanity of the world is all of our business.

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    • 1776freedomofspeech
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 6:58pm

      Bakko Bomma is a muslim troll if you all ain’t figured that out yet. Sorry Bakko, your Blaze cover is blown. Go away and come back with another log in name.

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    • mzk1
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 8:04am

      Imagine if it was “the Jews” instead of the “ultra-Orthodox” (A prejoritive term, by the way; I’m not more religious than anyone else.) You try living through this. The media is anrti-semitic and the politicians back them.

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  • JustPeachy
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:21pm

    It kind of seems like many of us are commenting on things we don’t fully understand (?).

    I‘ll admit I don’t fully understand all the story here, so I guess that‘s all I’m gonna say on it.

    I’m not even completely convinced the author of the article fully understands everything going on over there, either.

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    • Joyce D
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:58pm

      When I saw the pictures on Ynet I thought OMG what are they thinking? They keep talking about Rabbi Weiss of that sect and I agree with about 99.9% of what he says about Zionism. I hate to think that he could be behind the cursing at that little girl. Maybe the Rabbi weiss I like in NY is not the same as the one there.

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  • BOMUSTGO
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:18pm

    The Holocaust that is coming will be far worse.

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  • jdstein2714
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:07pm

    As an Orthodox Jew living in the US and coming to visit Israel shortly for the very first time, I find this very sad. I understand that the Charedi community is extremely modest and I understand that they don’t want women seated in the front of the bus in their community. I am not sure what the answer is to that particular dilemma but I do want to address the young Orthodox girl going to school in what most would consider modest clothing and being called horrible names because she was walking on a sidewalk that does not belong to the boys’ school. Do we not realize that this house divided is all that the will be needed by those who actually want to see another “Final Solution”. If even the religious segments of the population cannot get along, how can we hope to have the strength to withstand the communities that want the destruction of the Jewish people — not just Israel, but all Jews everywhere. Do you think it matters to them whether a Jewish person is called Charedi, Ultra Orthodox, Lubavitch, Modern Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, traditional, secular, or anti-religious? All they care about is if a person is Jewish. They don’t make a distinction. When we have this kind of divisivemess within, we are weakening our ability to jointly stand and shout “NEVER AGAIN!!!!!”

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:33pm

      It is going to happen again..We never learn..Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

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    • TorasMosheEmess
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 4:20pm

      200 years ago these divisions didn’t exist. Evryone was just “Jewish.” They were fastidious in their observance to Torah and Halachah and, in fact, would be indistinguishable from todays Charedim/Ultra-Orthodox.

      First came the Reform and split off from those THEY dubbed “orthodox” (they coined the term to INSULT their still religious brethren). Then came conservative and they split off from reform but still distinguished themselves from the orthodox. Then came modern orthodox, splitting themselves from the now so-called ultra-orthodox(charedim). Then came the reconstructionists who split off from the conservatives. And the list goes on… but somehow the ONLY group that HASN’T split off is the ONE group guilty of divisiveness???

      Please explain that one to me

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 7:04pm

      I fail to understand how spitting, throwing rocks, or verbal abuse is acceptable behavior to those who consider themselves walking with God?

      The stench of self-superiority and arrogance is tainting their witness.

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    • epming
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:42pm

      I have had the same thoughts–“divide and conquer”-“a house divided against itself cannot stand”…
      There is so much anti-Israeli attitude now. The OWS crowd has been cited for numerous verbal assaults on Jewish people and on Israel. When Israel defends itself against the rockets that are launched at them, they get blamed! The term apartheid is being used now to slander Israel. Hillary made disparaging remarks about Israeli society.She showed remarkable ignorance and a huge lack of diplomacy when she made negative comments about the treatment of women in Israel. Perhaps this ultra-Orthodox sect is reacting to her obnoxious comments(?)

      I am almost resigned to Israel‘s neighbors’ attitude, but to have this commotion happening within Israel is appalling. Israel must be unified or as you so rightly stated, “never again” will become an empty slogan.

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    • newmexicopatriots
      Posted on January 3, 2012 at 5:54pm

      I completely agree with you! Thanks for your excellent comments. While Christian, I fully support Israel’s right to exist. However, if the different sects of the Jewish population can’t get along, Israel is in trouble. Of course, Obama isn’t helping matters by selling weapons to Saudi Arabia and anyone else who has the right amount of influence and money, but he refused to sell weapons to Israel. I am ashamed Obama is our president.

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  • woemcat
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:01pm

    this is disgraceful! the events in the late 1930s and early 1940s in Europe was a Holocaust. this isn’t. no one’s hurting them by integrating the sexes. if they want to segregate, fine, but don‘t trample on other people’s rights.

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  • Netsurfer2
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:00pm

    I think its time people stop feeling sorry for themselves and take it for what it really is! OK, Hitler and his thugs did a lot of damage and caused a lot of pain in life, but it’s time to pick up the pieces and make the world a better place to live in. It was not my fault that any of you had to go through that! I am American Indian, but I have never gotten anything free from the American government because of so being and if today they said that I could, I would not anyways because I have way to much pride in making it myself through life! Life is what you make it and if you can’t handle that, then I guess your not ready to stretch your wings in finding out what your capabilities really are!

    Trust in the Lord!
    Get out of debt!
    Don’t rely on others!
    Educate yourselves!
    Be humble!
    Remember to be thankful!

    If you do these things, you probably won’t need to rely on anyone in the future!

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  • GKS
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:52pm

    People who are abused often become abusers.

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    • junior1971
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:02pm

      They remind me of arabs. Weird.

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:39pm

      In one of our states here in America, this law is still on the books: A man cannot beat his wife after 10:00PM on Sunday evening BECAUSE of sounds being made by the wife during a beating, will DISTURB the other men’s sleep in the neighborhood, as they need their rest for their Monday start of the work week. Is this in line with your logic? Hummm

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 6:14pm

      But that does not excuse them regardless.

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  • GKS
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:50pm

    Why all this outrage? Anyone who has lived in Israel well knows that the majority of Israeli society is liberal, secular and agnostic at best, but mostly atheist in fact. Why do you think the liberal Democratic Party is so disproportionately full of Jews? Naive Protestants (and now Mormons) troupe over to Israel with Bible stories floating in their heads assuming contemporary Israelis have just emerged from the Book of Exodus. To the contrary. The so-called “ultra-Orthodox,“ ”ultra Conservative,“ the ”albeit fringe sect” that are the subject of this article are the real thing as it were. America tends to “Protestantize” any religion that plants itself in the States which explains the peculiar Conservative and Reform Judaism phenomena which are really nothing more than Southern Baptists without Jesus. Say what you may but the “Ultra-Orthodox” mindset was what was the norm in both the Old and New Testaments, where btw women were segregated with no protests from the feminists. Those Protestants who pine for the rebuilding of the Temple should get to know the “fringe sect” who will conduct the rites. As to the concentration camp imagery all I can say is that twenty years ago non-Jews (unless being wined and dined by Israeli officialdom or being cash bearing tourists) were treated alarmingly like the Jews were treated in the earliest days of the Third Reich. I doubt things have changed. Tragically, people learn from their experiences. People who are abused often bec

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:58pm

      GKS: You dare to speak the educated truth… need more like you.

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    • cgnick
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:57pm

      These Ultra-Ortodox folks remind me of Pat Roberts and Bob Vander Plaats.

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  • Esteban74
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:34pm

    This is exactly what happens when you mix politics and religion…it is time for the israely middle class, (the non-believers and/or ‘light’ believers) to take the holly book in it own hands and restore the ‘word’.
    It is time to RESTORE THE BIBLE.
    Enough is enough !!!

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    • Notsureishoulddothis
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 9:53pm

      What is a light believer? I think I might be a light believer in gravity but I’m not sure. And what is a holly book? Does it have pretty berries in winter?

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    • Esteban74
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 11:11am

      Oh sorry, my mistake…
      light = non heavy.
      Holly book = the old testament.
      Pretty berries = …mmm…maybe not.
      But, if you did not get my point, usually there is no dissonance between the Bible and the law in Israel…so, if YOU break the law (and does not matter what do YOU thought god is telling you) you just paid for it, period.

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  • TorasMosheEmess
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:27pm

    This article is grossly misleading. The statement “In the past, they have generally confined their strict lifestyle to their own neighborhoods. But they have become increasingly aggressive in trying to impose their ways on others as their population has grown and spread to new areas,” is patently UNTRUE.

    Segregated Busses: The busses in question serve the community of Meah Shearim, an ultra-orthodox (charedi) enclave that predates the establishment of the Zionist movement. The charedim used to run their own busses until the government decided it was cutting into Egged’s (the regular bus company) revenues and outlawed it. The women who “caused an uproar” did so on purpous. This is common place for these lefty feminists to go onto these busses just to stir up trouble. A simple solution would be to let the charedis run their own busses again but the government won’t allow it.

    Segregated sidewalks: also in Meah Shearim

    The school: again, in an established charedi enclave of Beit Shemesh. What the article doesn’t mention is that the SCHOOL is new, not the charedi neighborhood. The government put this school in the charedi neighborhood over the objections of the community leaders. Trust me on this: non-religious girls in Israel dress as immodestly as non-religious girls in America.

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    • TorasMosheEmess
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:42pm

      continued:

      Modesty is VERY important to charedis. They dress in a manner so as not to titllate the opposite gender (men as well as women… for example, you will NEVER see a charedi man walking down the street wearing shorts and a tshirt) and they are careful to avoid ANY physical contact between men and women who are not related and men simply do not look at women other than thei own family. (This is why women are seated in the BACK of the busses).

      This all may seem silly to Americans but one thing I can promise you: charedi schools in Israel don’t have to worry about giving out birth control because premarital sex simply does not happen. Imagine a world without unwed teenage mothers. Now who’s crazy?

      All these people want is to left alone to live their lives in peace but the secualr government and media in Israel are (hard to believe, but true) even MORE anti-religious than their American counterparts. Israel even has a political party –Shinui — which has been part of the government in the recent past, whose entire platform is anti-religion! Together they have engaged in a decades long war to demonize the charedi at every oppotunity, depicting them in the press in a manner reminiscent of Nazi propoganda. There have even been calls for their annihilation! Most recently, Thursday in fact, Yediot Aharonot, one of the largest papers in Israel had an op-ed piece calling for “violent civil war” against the charedis. Think maybe the holocaust analogy is appropriate?

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:49pm

      You have pointed to the folly of American conventional wisdom in regards to Zionism, Israel, Judaism, and Jews. The ignorant become the easiest to manipulate, and that is surely evident in America regarding these issues and the resulting policies.

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:05pm

      As an Orthodox Jew, I do not feel that the way Heredim practice Judaism is wrong. They have every right to practice Judaism as they see fit. But I cannot excuse some their responses to how other people choose to practice it. I can sympathize with some of their issues, such as when a Gay Pride Parade planned to march through their neighborhoods, when people are intentionally trying to offend them and antagonize them. In these cases they are certainly the victims. But spitting on a girl who was dressed modestly by almost any standard seems extreme. That’s nothing against the sect itself, just against the behavior of some of those who are a part of it.

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    • Jennifer_D
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 12:17am

      @TorasMosheEmess

      Modesty is VERY important to charedis. They dress in a manner so as not to titllate the opposite gender (men as well as women… for example, you will NEVER see a charedi man walking down the street wearing shorts and a tshirt) and they are careful to avoid ANY physical contact between men and women who are not related and men simply do not look at women other than thei own family. (This is why women are seated in the BACK of the busses).

      This all may seem silly to Americans but one thing I can promise you: charedi schools in Israel don’t have to worry about giving out birth control because premarital sex simply does not happen. Imagine a world without unwed teenage mothers. Now who’s crazy?

      All these people want is to left alone to live their lives in peace but the secualr government and media in Israel are (hard to believe, but true) even MORE anti-religious than their American counterparts.

      I find this really admirable. Thank you for your informative posts.

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  • oldcoyote
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:12pm

    EARLY PRISONERS AT AUSCHWITZ WERE MOSTLY POLES

    In the early years, most prisoners at Auschwitz were Poles, not Jews. As historian Martin Gilbert pointed out, of the first 611 people who died at Auschwitz, 591 were Poles and 20 were Jews. In the vast body of Holocaust literature little sympathy is ever extended to those 591 victims, and the subsequent 2,999,409 Poles who followed them to their graves. Polish Nobel Prize-winner Czeslaw Milosz expressed his concern about the forgotten victims, lamenting, “when the meaning of the word Holocaust undergoes gradual modifications, so that the word begins to belong to the history of the Jews exclusively, as if among the victims there were not also millions of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, and prisoners of other nationalities.” Echoing the sentiment, William Styron warned, “To ignore the existence of these victims — even if it is certain that Jews suffered more than the others — is to minimize the Nazi horror. It is to underestimate dangerously its totalitarian dimension.”

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    • oldcoyote
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:14pm

      I am an American Christian, just posted that FYI

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:19pm

      You are correct. There were so many holocausts. The only difference is that Jews have made theirs a cottage industry that is self-serving.

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:12pm

      I assure you the Jews have not forgotten the other victims of the Holocaust. It’s true Auschwitz was originally for Poles but that was also before gas chambers became standard. Originally, upon invading Poland, Jews were either executed and buried in mass graves by the Eisatzgroupen (I probably misspelled that) or placed in Ghettos. The concentration and death camps came later.
      Other victims included gypsies, midgets, homosexuals and many others. Total deaths were close to 11 million. Jews were just the primary target as they were not only murdered but the Nazis did everything in their power to erase all memory of the Jews.

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  • NOBALONEY
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:07pm

    Orthodox Jews should be allowed to practice their beliefs, and traditions.

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  • COFemale
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:59pm

    Wow, men acting like the Democrats KKK and Islam’s Sharia law all in one Jewish sect, who would of thunk it.

    Just another bunch of arrogant men who think they are God’s gift to God and act like spoiled children because the rest of the world does not act like them. Satan must be so proud.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:13pm

      Surely, you are referring to the crying, whining, critics of the Orthodox movement?

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:31pm

      You mean the OCCUPY movement??

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:13pm

      I agree. And, yes, throw the “occupy” movement in there, too. At least they’re not flying planes into buildings, though. Either way, I say Never Again, whether it be Jew, Christian, Muslim, whatever, but we DO have to have boundaries and limitiations. Also remember that it says that the ultra-othodox“ make up ”only 10%.” Where have we heard THAT before (for those of you who have GBTV, no explanation needed. For those who don’t, only 10% of the German population were initially pro-nazi) :? Just sayin’…

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  • Nanaswords
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:43pm

    Isn’t the photos of ww2 bad enough for us to see ? Do the protestors have to dress up and “Remind” ALL of us that they are furthering that terrible time, just by repeating these actions from the past ! Children being used for their own positions make it even worse ! I would say that these attitudes and positions are in more of an agreement with the same from the extreme muslim laws !!! The TORAH has many laws given by Father God that tell Israel NOT to take on ANY practices that are from the pagan people that surround you ! Are these rules/practices from the TORAH ? Or Have they been added by men ?

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:54pm

      Was animal sacrifice, which is in the Torah, a pagan practice? Let’s also remember that stoning the adulterous is also Torah inspired, not Muslim inspired. On and on with this folly of reasoning that protects these people from criticism.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:47pm

      Animal sacrifices were there to teach a few things on the spiritual level. Number one, we need a substitute for our sins.Number two, without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.Yeshua atoned for our sins once and for all.

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 6:11pm

      Stoning was a part of Jewish Law, as were other forms of execution, but the requirements placed on witnesses made such sentences almost impossible to carry out. A court that executed one person in seventy years was considered a “bloody court”.

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  • smackdown33
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:33pm

    Holocaust survivors can not corner the market on free speech.

    Norman G. Finkelstein said it best in his book, ‘The Holocaust Industry’:

    “The Holocaust has proven to be an indispensable ideological weapon. Through its deployment, one of the world’s most formidable military powers, with a horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a ‘victim’ state, and the most successful ethnic group in the United States has likewise acquired victim status. Considerable benefits accrue to this specious victimhood – in particular, immunity to criticism, however justified”

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    • NeoFan
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:54pm

      Its almost as if you are saying they don’t have the right to free speech or to express themselves due to the fact that six million of their people were murdered.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:01pm

      You know, you do hear story after story about those ultraorthodox Jews, strapping bombs on their children…………… Oh yeah , it’s not them.

      And the story after story of ultraorthodox Jews issuing Fatwa’s on non- Jews around the world who don’t follow their faith………….Really, No Joke?? that’s not them either, HUH??

      And the story after story about the collaboration of the Jews with Hitler to eliminate the Jews……….Not them again, Well just what atrocities have these Ultraorthodox Jews perpetrated??

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:11pm

      Neofan, just the opposite of your conclusion. They do have freedom of speech. They do not have freedom of criticism. They are not perpetual victims. And, they were not totally innocent of those past events; as anyone going beyond the incomplete history, always presented, can see:
      http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/jewishwar.cfm

      Let us also view Samuel Untermyer‘s actions ’BEFORE’ Hitler secured his power in Germany:
      http://www.untermyergardens.org/pdfs/Untermyer-Hitler.pdf

      Who goaded who? If a people declares war on another people, should they not expect retaliation and all out war in return?

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:19pm

      There was a profit motive for the young capitalist George Soros, during pre WWII. His sellout of his heritage began then, and has continued to this day.

      And what threat does a tiny country amid somewhat hostile to outright hostile threats of elimination from ALL surrounding Militant Islamic country’s???

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:30pm

      George Soros and the whole host of other Jews bringing down our nation and culture:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanistic_Judaism

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:50pm

      @Smack
      Are you saying that some Jews essentially boycotting German goods warranted the extermination of 6 million innocent civilians? Might want to work on your system of justice there. And while there are Jews trying to collapse this country, there are also Christians and atheists as well so don’t damn all Jews for the actions of the few or even the many.

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    • NeoFan
      Posted on January 2, 2012 at 3:14am

      Sorry smack, I’m not going to visit you nazi propaganda websites. I’m not deceived by Satans hatred of the first covenant people. Why are there mosques in Israel and no synagogues in Muslim countries?
      Because the Jews are evil? You are a fool.

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  • atrain
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:26pm

    Every religion has it’s nut cases – Jewish, Christian, Islam – it doesn’t matter. I’ve been through this neighborhood in Jerusalem and its sad to say that many choose not to work so they can spend their time reading prayer books, and yes they do try and segregate the genders.

    For those of you who have not been to Israel, the ultra-orthodox are not your typical Israeli – far from it. Israeli’s are typically very western and a highly educated people. All in all, a great people and a great place to visit.

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:35pm

      Kinda ironic, when you have a society that is surrounded by people that hate them and want them destroyed, but now you have some of those very same people that seem to want to do the Muslims job for them……very sad…I’d say that they have the same problem in Israel that we have in this country, of allowing people to forget their own history, which means that they will be doomed to repeat it, if they don’t wake up very soon.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:41pm

      So true. Your typical Israeli is western in origin, not Middle Eastern. He likes to oppress the Palestinian people who have lived there for millennium. He takes their land. He takes their homes. He herds them into ghettos. He walls in those ghettos. He restricts their movement. He forces them through checkpoints. He denies them rights that he has. He then wonders why they want him dead.

      Quite a set-up these westerners have in Palestine, no?

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:01pm

      smackdown you are a complete moron. must be nice to live in total ignorance while the rest of us get to face hard reality and truth.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:16pm

      HorseCrazy, what part of that provable truth is untrue?

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    • COFemale
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:21pm

      Smackdown, if you can show me on any map the land of Palestine, then I might think that Israel took the land away, However, you will never find such map because the “Palestine” never existed.
      Israel always owned the land. Over the thousands of years, Jews were taken into slavery by Egyptians and the Babylonians and removed from Israel and others came in took control of their land. The Israeli’s took back what was rightfully theirs to begin with. And here I thought you were against slavery, but I see when it is Jewish slavery that is cool with you. Who would of thunk it?

      Palestine is actually a region that spanned all of Israel, Jordan and Syria. The modern day Palestinians are transplant refugees from Syria, Egypt, and other areas. They never, never owned land. They squatted on land owned by Israel. Israel tolerated them. Many Palestinians do not hate Israeli’s and prefer to be governed under Israel rule as they live better off. Hamas and Hezbollah are the radical Islamic’s who want to take the land that never belonged to them. Please wise up on who are the real haters and quit believing Israel is an apartheid state.

      Until you study the history, you will always remain clueless and do only what you are told.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:27pm

      Smackdown33 apparently you don’t practice what you preach, because you seem to speak for the Palestinians?

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:44pm

      I speak the truth. I speak only for myself. The rest will take care of itself.

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:53pm

      Cof, I’ve attempted to post multiple websites containing maps of Palestine. They will not post them here. Just Google ancient maps of Palestine, Palestine maps, Balfour declaration maps… .

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:29pm

      Go to Adolph Maps Co.
      You can see what greater Germany would look like. Hitler made his maps also. Picking a point in time when “Palestine” was placed on a map does not make it a legitimate country. So-called palestinians are just sand arabs that wandered around the area that was partly Judea. The local arab ,muslim country‘s won’t even take these migrant’s in as they cause strife everywhere they go.

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 5:58pm

      @Smack
      The reason Palestinians hate Israelis is because their leaders intentionally exploit them and ignore their suffering and then indoctrinate them to believe that it’s the fault of Israel that they have such hard times. Before Oslo there was no central Palestinian Authority and afterwards, when Arafat became leader, the number of terrorist attacks skyrocketed. Arafat raised a lot of money to “help his ‘people’ (Arafat hadn’t been in the territories for decades)” and then kept most of it for himself and his friends. He then continued to support terrorism and even opened camps to train kids to be suicide bombers.
      Don’t listen to me, listen to Arafat’s own words.
      http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/relentless

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:11pm

      It was all greater syria though under foreign [ottoman[ rule. But the people were NOT poles,russians, americans etc. fronm europe[zionists[. Everyone there was considered arab-the jews,christians and muslims.Zionism is a european invention and they are guilty of ethnically cleansing as much as they could the arabs who were there prior to the european zionists.

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  • abbygirl1994
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:24pm

    If these so called ultra Orthodox Jews think for a minute they are doing the bidding of God, I feel very sorry for them, for surely they are being led by darker forces! God help Israel! But even there the wicked will be weeded out!

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:28pm

      How do you know? Please speak for God and tell us more.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:00pm

      WHAT IF… in order to create a Universe, where Chaos creates Order, and produces Gentle Planets with a God-loving Predator Species given Rule… that GOD had to create Evil, as a Force of Nature –So, in any Battle… Evil is on both Sides?

      ‘Perhaps, God had only one way’. Albert Einstein

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:05pm

      yes the ultra orthodox jews are dividing their own nation and it is very sad they feel this is God’s idea for them. As a Jew and a Christian I just don’t see it. I read my Bible/Torah and none of this is in there. Provocation, seperating male from female in society etc. My Torah and everyone elses was very inclusive of everyone. Just dont see the motivation for them to do these idiotic things. God help them

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    • smackdown33
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 2:28pm

      HorseCrazy, come-on. These people are the nation. Those others calling themselves Jews never stepped foot in the ancient lands of Israel. These majority Jews are the descendants of the Khazars, central Europe.

      Benjamin Freedman: “In an original 1903 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia in New York’s Public Library, and in the Library of Congress, Volume IV, pages 1 to 5 inclusive, appears a most comprehensive history of the Khazars. Also in the New York Public Library are 327 books by the world’s greatest historians and other sources of reference, in addition to the Jewish Encyclopedia, dealing with Khazar history, and written between the 3rd A.D. and 20th centuries by contemporaries of the Khazars and by modern historians on that subject.”

      Incontestable facts supply the unchallengeable proof of the historic accuracy that so-called “Jews” throughout the world today of eastern European origin are unquestionably the historic descendants of the Khazars, a pagan Turko-Finn ancient Mongoloid nation deep in the heart of Asia, according to history, who battled their way in bloody wars about the 1st century B.C. into eastern Europe where they set up their Khazar kingdom.

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    • tzion
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 6:05pm

      @Smack
      Many of Jews of “Eastern European” descent came to be in that area after the Pale of Settlement was established in what is modern day Poland. Some of those migrated from the west after being expelled from their home country. As for the Khazars, they converted to Judaism at some point but they dispersed when their kingdom was destroyed. Prior to that though, Jews had already spread out across Europe even during the days of Jesus. During the Great Revolt of 70 CE there was fighting in every corner of the Roman Empire.

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  • SilentReader
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:14pm

    It is outrageous that they should dress up their own children in Nazi garb and ask them to wear the yellow star. Unbelievable really.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:22pm

      Who can be mad… at cute little kids?

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    • epming
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 11:43pm

      I agree. It is exploitation, and it diminishes the memory of those innocent victims of Nazi brutality.

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  • Stoic one
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:14pm

    Extremists throughout the world are now “protesting”, seeking attention. I wonder what is behind all this…

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  • BOMUSTGO
    Posted on January 1, 2012 at 1:12pm

    I thought it was the “Doppler Effect.”

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on January 1, 2012 at 3:35pm

      Anyone see that episode of the Big Bang Theory?

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