Holy Relic That Shows ‘True Face of Jesus Christ’ Hidden in Tennessee Motor Home
- Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:47am by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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A holy relic that supposedly shows what Jesus Christ really looked like has been found after it was hidden for nearly 20 years in a motor home near Knoxville, Tenn.
“The True Face of Jesus Christ,” a 150-year-old painting blessed by Pope Leo XIII, is one of just a handful of paintings based on the cloth used to dab Jesus’ face before he was crucified, known as the Veil of Veronica, which according to legend bears his likeness.
The motor home’s owner, who goes by Frosty, told WVLT-TV he received the painting as a gift and hung it on his wall almost 20 years ago, until he stuck it in a bag three years later and kept it in his closet.
Frosty, 73, said he had no idea of the significance of the painting in his motor home.
“Ha, I’ve lived here for about 17 years. It’s been in there…or in my bedroom ever since,” he said.
It had been there all this time until police say Kelly Ghormley, who had been working as his caretaker, stole it and tried to sell it to St. Joseph the Workerville Church in Madisonville for $3,000. The church, realizing what it was, reported Ghormley to authorities and had her arrested after arranging a meeting with her, according to Gannett News Service. She has been charged with felony property theft.
The church is now working with officials in Rome to appraise the piece, which if determined to be authentic could make it invaluable. The linen artwork features a waxed seal stamped with the Pope’s ring.
Father David Boettner of the Knoxville Diocese said images of Christ were often distributed as a means of inspiring believers.
“It may turn out to be a very common work of art. We know there were several, but it is undoubtedly very old and appears to be part of a historic devotion,” Boettner said. “We are very pleased that it could be recovered and its rightful owner can have it back.”
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briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:50amDid you just copy and paste that mixed up nonsensical rant off the internet or did you write it yourself from your vast database of antisemitic talking points?
Report Post »christos
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:32am……This picture does not even vaguely resemble +JESUS+ try Johnny Mathias “The Lords Prayer” on you tube the last 2 pictures of KING JESUS+ with the Crown on,also the Warner Sallman 1949 picture by Kriebel & Bates 1941 copyright those pictures look like +JESUS+ are you so naive to think +JESUS+ has not revealed +HIMSELF+ through the ages and people do not have a clue what +HE+ looks like,remember +JESUS+ said to the pharisee’s that a prostitute would go to Heaven before them,knowing the Bible inside and out and praying to anyone except +JESUS+ also prayer formula’s do you think +GOD+ even listens,to be saved you accept +JESUS as your SAVIOR+ and then +HOLY SPIRIT+ convicts your conscience and you change your ways,not the other way around you are good then you are saved,nobody is sinless,,,Pious Bunch of the Day,and have your Soup D’jour too,TA
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:54amWhat’s with all the crosses in your post? Even Jesus himself would have a hard time reading it when it’s typed like that!
I sometimes wonder what God thinks when we venerate a symbol of the murder weapon that killed his son? It’s like me hanging a replica around my neck of the gun used to kill my mother… That and the fact that the cross was widely used in pagan worship befre the Christian era- AND veneration of Idols is clearly condemed by God…
So, we today venerate a replica of a pagan symbol that was used by a pagan Roman government to torture, mock and murder God’s son. Kind of makes you think….
Report Post »calamitykate
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:32amWould you hang a electric chair with a man getting zapped above your bed? No it horrifying! The important part is what happened three days later.
Not to mention the standard cross that we all know ( t ) is actually an Italian cross, the Roman cross looked more like ( T ), and His name would have been hung on a sign under one arm of the cross.
Report Post »Flagwaver
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:38amThe Followers of The Way used the symbol of the fish or the lamb as the symbol of Jesus. It was not until Constantine saw the Papal Cross in the sky, and then used the form of the crucifix, that the “Christian” church adopted that symbol. Personally, I use the symbol of the fish rather than the crucifix.
Report Post »maggie-140
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:57amTo BRITAN821 No one worships the cross and love the weapon that was used in the death of our Lord. It is worn by many and even put in their house (Mine included) as a reminder that he took up that cross and accepted its hardships to get us to heaven thus we keep that cross in our sights t remind us that our own hardships (crosses) Should be taken up in order for our own place in heaven. That he sends us these things not for punishment but to draw us closer to him in Heaven. So that weapon you call it is a sign to all of us that through hard times if we accept them for love of God like he did for love of us we wil attatin heaven and I thank him for that example everyday.
Report Post »Bullhorn Guy
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 11:00amDude, this is two days in a row where you have claimed to know “that isn’t what Jesus looked like.” Give me a break, man. You have no idea. We can look at a jews in a particular region and get a good idea of what He looked like, but that’s about it. Don’t be rediculous.
Report Post »PIOWASHISNAMO
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:13pmNow what is your special formula to be saved? And your authority comes from? Let me suggest you consider for a moment the “good thief”, as he is referred to in Holy Scripture. He only asked the Christ remember him when He came into His kingdom. He did not claim Jesus to be his personal savior. He was not Baptized with water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Yet Jesus promised him paradise. Now many can argue what “paradise” means but the fact is the thief was spared the eternal fires of hell.
Spend less time referencing God’s justice and more time begging and praising His mercy.
Report Post »coloradolifer
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:14pmWhat?
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:30pm@BRITEN821………………I agree with you and people don’t know or care the true origin of the cross.
Report Post »The cross was used as a pagan symbol many centuries before Christ. If you want to be reminded of him then read Gods word instead.
briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:21pmMaggie-140… Maybe the Cross reminds you of good things. But remember what God thought of his worshipers mixing just a bit of pagan worship into their worship of him (the Israelites tried that several times with the neighboring Baal worshipers). God executed a lot of people for that. Why would he make an exception for us to use the cross, a part of pagan worship for thousands of years, in our worship today? Deos the fact that his son was KILLED on one of those make it more acceptable to him?
People need to take a moment and think about all the traditions they follow. Throughout the bible God has always cared about the ORIGIN of beliefs, etc. and not mixing what is unclean with what is clean.
If you decide to adopt Irish drinking songs or Jello shots into Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) meetings, it won‘t matter what it means to YOU or how you try and explain it away as now being part of the organization and so it’s past symbolism doesn’t matter. It will still be offensive.
I sure hope I’m not doing anything that would offend God- which is why I choose to remember Jesus’ sacrifice by study, bible reading, clean conduct- Not with the pagan symbol he was tortured with!
Report Post »BBomber66
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:33pmAs I understand it, Jesus was a Jew which makes him a semite. The features of semites would look more Arabic and Jewish than Western. This likeness, real or not, resembles what I think a 1st century Seminte might look like. Now, get this. I don’t care what he looked like. It’s irrelevant to his teachings and his message. I have to behave in a manner that pleases the Father.
Report Post »maggie-140
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:10pmMy other post must have been taken down so I will try to write this maybe in a way that will be ok…..1. I said before I do not WORSHIP the cross it is just a reminder for me like I said before. You have your beliefs and you can have them but, this is a rather harmless tradition that has brought many, many people to our Lord and I doubt that he looks at that as a bad thing. So in short if you don‘t like it then don’t do it but, leave others who do use this as a REMINDER in order to help them stay close to our Lord alone! It is between them and our Lord and not anyone else. This is something that hurts no one and I am sure you do not talk to the Lord to know this is so offensive to him so just STOP!
Report Post »maggie-140
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:18pmBy the way how many times did the followers of Jesus become surprised when what they thought was a law of God or what he wanted become turned around by Jesus. I believe he said, Judge lest ye be judged. It is like the Women who gave only a few coins instead of the elaborate amount expected. She did so with love and thats what he looked at, not the amount. He is not looking at the cross used but the act itself (Love ) that he takes in. Sometimes it helps to know our Lord in a deeper way to be able to say this is whats right.
Report Post »Fly Old Glory 24/7 365
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:37pm@ Briten821 : What’s with all the crosses in your post? Even Jesus himself would have a hard time reading it when it’s typed like that!
Report Post »It is not often I come on the blaze and laugh at posts. This one takes the cake. I am still laughing and I appreciate you sharing that…
richard the lion-hearted
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:42pmA broken heart and contrite spirit is my symbol.
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:13pmmaggie-140… I am sorry if you are upset that I would point out what I believe the bible says. But isn’t the job of a Christian to share his beliefs? So how can you tell me to just leave the subject alone and stop talking about it?
You say you don’t worship it, yet the Catholic Church and most other religions that use the cross say they “venerate” it, which is a form of worship.
At the very least you USE it in your worship. People pray in front of it, they make a sign of it across their chests before praying or to ask God for help. It is called “holy” by virtually everyone who uses it. So I think you are really whitewashing over what “worshiping” with the Cross really is.
You also say it’s harmless. That reminds me of the ancient Israelites who were talked into just attending a festival to the Pagan god Baal. It was seen as harmless, they weren’t interested in the pagan basis of the event. It would give them an oppertunity to share their faith, how could God be offended by that? Guess what? He was offended and thousands died over it.
The point is there are CLEAR reasons why we should expect God is offended by the pagan symbol of a cross which was also used to tortue, humilliate and kill his son. An the other hand, if the only thing you can think of in support of the cross as a religious symbol is that “god probabally doesn’t mind”…
You don’t have to change what you do based on what I say. But don’t expect me to hold back from sharing my faith.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:28pmBRITEN- The “pagan cross” only appeared in ancient Western Celtic religions which was never used as a torture device. It was a symbol of their connection to their Gods (they didn’t actually pray to it by the way). It’s simply coincidence that it is a device that the ancient Persians used to torture, and later the ancient Romans. As a decendant of the ancient Roman tradition (and well educated in it’s history), I would like to inform you that it was not because of their being pagan Jesus was crucified.
Report Post »Anyone under such a condemnation was brought about by a totalitarianist regime who turned their backs on their Gods and republic.
Christians showing their love and devotion to their God by wearing a cross, is not a form of idolatry as they are not praying to it. Idolatry is the veneration of an object, not using a symbol as a proclamation of your faith.
maggie-140
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:36pmOnce again you can do what you want but stop harping on others and their traditions. This is what is giving Christians bad names because some people sit on their thrown and deem what is right and what is wrong and if you do not agree with them it is done. You can’t see past your own nose thats your thing but, Till Jesus himself comes down to set the record straight I will follow what I feel is right for me and my house. I read what you wrote on others and you come off like some authority and make fun of the cross and people who have one. It is ignorant sounding and does not help any point you try to make. Instead of saying, “I understand the reasons behind and how it helps bring people to God and thats what the world needs”. Instead you take it a whole other way. You can have an opinion but, maybe you should look at how you are conveying it because it is coming off bad and certainly not in any way Christ would say is loving and understanding.
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:47pmI admire your opinion which was well thought out. But it is wrong…
The cross is found in MANY pagan religions. Some even use it as a phallic symbol in fertillity rights. The version used by Christians was first adopted by a pagan Roman emporer (who never converted to Christianity until right before his death) named Constitine. HE took that particular form from the common pagan cults of his day, which were based in Babylon. That T version was actually based on the Pagan Babylonial god Tamuz. Even the Catholic encyclopedia admits all this.
Maybe you don’t pray to it (though many people do pray to it or with it) but the fact remains that it is a pagan symbol which was adopted by a pagan emporer and became a tradition that God never condoned and all reasonableness suggests he could NEVER approve of.
I know it’s hard to believe such an old tradition is wrong, but the Apostles said that apostate teachings and traditions would creep into chrches after Jesus death. And if you really think about it with a logical, open mind you’ll see that THIS is one of them. Saying you THINK god doesn‘t mind doesn’t make it so. And we all face judgement eventually…
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:54pmMaggi- I’m not trying to attack you personally but listen to what you are saying…
You tell me to stop talking about my faith? Are you kidding? Not only is that against the Christian way, it is the same thing so many people on these boards rail against- people trying to shut up those they disagree with.
And you said: Instead of saying, “I understand the reasons behind and how it helps bring people to God and thats what the world needs”. Instead you take it a whole other way.”…
So you think I should agree with you rather than state my views to the contrary? I don’t agree that the cross brings people to God. Maybe you can bring people to God through your words or example, but a cross on your wall never converted anyone. And I DON’T believe God says “as long as you think it’s a good thing, go ahead…”
Homosexuals believe they are teaching people toleranc and love. God wants people to be loving to each other. So does he say that homosexuality is ok because it does some good?
You don‘t have to continue this conversation if you don’t want. I patiently read all your comments and replied with my own. How am I “harping” on the issue yet you are not “harping” against the issue? It’s clear from your constant telling me to shut up that the subject made you think, and that’s all I ask…
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:57pmRegarding the “cross”,
Perhaps we should be very careful to respect God’s view of these kinds of religious symbols.
Exodus 20:1-5 – 1 And God proceeded to speak all these words, saying:
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves. 3 You must not have any other gods against my face.
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. 5 You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation, in the case of those who hate me;
Verse 4 tells us that religious symbols should have no place in our genuine worship of the Almighty God.
Report Post »maggie-140
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:00pmI am done with this now I made my point and you are insistant that you are right and I am wrong. By the way Constantine became Christian 312 ad after he won a battle he was in. It only became official on his deathbed when he became confirmed but he became a Christian way before his death. Just because someone started out Pagan does not make every move they make beyond that to correct it wrong. If we judged people by that no one has a chance in this world to be heard out because their past would always be brought up.( In that case any of St. Pauls writing you better not follow!) You can take that line to of corruption happening and put it on SO MANY THINGS. Does not matter though because you are right and thats the end.
Report Post »maggie-140
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:13pmAlso I believe all the scriptures about carved images and such are about when they made gold rams. Idols are anything that diverts you drom prayer/talking to our Lord. (Tv instead of church, games friends andything that takes you from time with him when you make a choice becomes an idol before our lord.) Having a picture or a statue of him does not in any way divert you from praying to him or putting something before him. It is in fact the last thing a true faulse idol does. Also quit saying people do worship and make faulse God because once again it isbetween them and God and not you. People who think they know what is in others hearts are not following hat they say they are as a Christian. I am not trying to cause fights and I never said to stop talking about your faith I ment stop putting down those who do have a cross and belittling the cross itself because it is important to some people.
Report Post »christos
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:14pmEdit : ……This picture does not even vaguely resemble +JESUS+ try Johnny Mathias & “The Lords Prayer” on you tube the last 2 pictures of +KING JESUS+ with the Crown on,also the Warner Sallman 1949 picture by Kniebel & Bates 1941 copyright those pictures look like +JESUS+ are you so naive to think +JESUS+ has not revealed +HIMSELF+ through the ages and no one has a clue what +HE+ looks like,remember +JESUS+ said to the pharisees that a prostitute would go to Heaven before them,knowing the Bible inside and out does not mean your saved neither does the formalities of going to church every week,or prayer formulas do you think +GOD+ listens too prayer formulas also praying to anyone except +JESUS+ +GOD+ will not listen,to be saved you accept +JESUS+ as your +SAVIOR+ and you are sealed with the +HOLY SPIRIT+ HE+ comes to live inside your heart and +HE+ convicts your conscience and you change your ways not the other way around i.e. you are good and then you are saved,nobody is sinless Pious Bunch of the Day and your Soup D’jour too.TA As for the cross it means everything the atonement for the worlds sin through +JESUS+ HOLY+ Blood +GOD+ knew +JESUS+ would be crucified,for +GOD+ so loved the world +HE gave +HIS+ only begotten +SON+ for who so ever believeth in +HIM+ shall not perish but have everlasting life the cross represents Mercy it is a bridge to +GOD+ there isn’t anything the creator needs to know from the created (MAN)…….Bless You
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:25pmMaggy- You keep acting like my belief that I am right about this subjet is a bad thing. Don’t you feel that YOU are right? I don’t accuse you of being stubborn or harping on the issue or putting people down like you accuse me. What’s the difference? We believe in speerate sides of this issue. I stated mine, you stated yours. I never called you names, mocked you or tried to shut you up. I also never forced you to read ANY of my comments or respond to even one of them. Yet you seem all ticked off like I attacked you or something. Why so defensive about the issue?
I will say that Constitine started promoting and adapting Christianity after that battle you refer to. But he never converted until before his death, AFTER he had been instramental in the church adopting a number of pagan Greek and Babylonian practices and beliefs. Until his pre-death baptism he never professed to be a Christian. That’s a side point, but you said I misstated it and I want to set the record straight.
Just think about what I said about the cross. Pray about it. Research it. Check out what MANY MANY scholars and even church leaders have admitted. And then decide for yourself if you want to risk offending God just because it’s a tradition you are used to following…
Report Post »christos
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:41pm…….I agree with Maggie…….
Report Post »maggie-140
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:45pmThis is all the reseach and sources I need to know it is ok to have the cross as a reminder. But, feel free to pray for me my husbands deploying out tomorrow and I have two kids and am pregnant away from my ome and am upset. (Could be why I am in the mood and angry) Normally I am not but, I do love what the cross does for me and I am a person of deep convictions. You did not mock me but you did the man of the original post for putting on a cross in his post. We have enough of the world trying to shut Christians up we do not need it rom each other as well..No one should be afriad to put up a cross without being told the thing they love is bad and pagan and offensive to God. You can state your religion all you want but no one is calling your traditions bad here it is just happening to those with a cross. ANyways Here is my source that I am ok with my cross and remembering him on it……
Report Post »In Romans 1:16 he said: “I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation.” The power is in the cross. “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks (the philosophers) foolishness; but unto them which are called (those who have accepted Christ, those that are being saved in Him), both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God” (1 Cor. 1:23, 24). Again, “For I determined not to know anything among you save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified” (1 Cor. 2:2). Turning to the book of Galatians,
This_Individual
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 6:07pmBRITTEN-
Report Post »I beg to differ, the “cross” of Tammuz was more of a plus sign symbolizing dominion over the summarian people. And has no connetction with the symbol which Constantine claimed to have seen in the sky. What he saw was an opportunity to use the popularity of the new cult (I’m not using it disrespectfully) for his aspirations. I’ll bet his Lararium was still set up with his Lares Patres, Dii Penates, and Mithras (no cross involved) while he was making his “conversion”. Anyway, You cannot make the connection with these symbols and the Christian one, as most weren’t remotely shaped to resemble any semblance of anthropomorphicicity, as the cross used to torture and kill people. The phallic symbol (which was not widley used as a symbol of fertility, the ****** was) has no resemblance to the Christian cross, as the “t” part of that symbol happen to be the testes.
In the ancient Roman tradition (which I practice) for instance, we have nothing that resembles a Christian cross. I must respectfully disagree with the Catholic encyclopedia, as it was not written by practicing pagans with the understanding of what they were used for. Lastly, I am aware of the fact that the Christian God may not have given the ok for his followers to use this symbol. But then again, If I may, I sincerely doubt that he would not be angry over his followers showing devotion in a very human manner. And please, don’t make assumptions about us pagans based on writtings from n
briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:19pmThis-Individual…
When I speak of the pagan history of the cross, I didn’t just make it all up. It’s easily found in many of the most widely respected reference works, including the New Catholic Encyclopedia. You may not think the pagan symbols were the basis of the Christian cross, but a lot of people WAY smarter than I am do.
Maggie- We’ve clearly reached the “agree to disagree” point and we’ll leave it at that. Thanks for the lively conversation.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:32pmWhy did God instructs the Israelites to put angels on the Ark of the Old Covenant and in the Temple Solomon built? And when the Temple was completed, why did it include the statues of the angels that spanned the complete width of the Sanctuary?
The Scripture is clear that the Lord is addressing images that are the object of worship or the representation of the objects of worship that are not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Like the angels on the Ark and in the Holy of the Holies in the temple, sacred objects are used to enhance the worship of the unseen God. The Crucifix represents our healing through his sacrificial death through His Resurrection.
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:56pmYou’re right, that’s a point often ignored.All statues are not idols, and the Israelites never used the statues of the cherubs in their worship.
The cross, however is different for two reasons:
1. Many, if not most people who use the cross do “venerate” it or at least incorporate it into their worship. You see it all the time when someone makes the sign of the cross before saying a prayer or taking communion. Others keep it hanging over their hearts for superstitious or religious reasons.
2. Even if you just hang it on the wall like a painting, or wear it like a piece of jewelry and don’t use it in your worship, it is STILL a pagan symbol which was used to torture and murder Christ and is no different from using an image of gun to commemorate the murder of a loved one. Clearly God would not want a pagan symbol associated with the sacrifice of his son.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:52pmMaggie
Give a great big thank you to your husband for me. I’ll be sure to keep him and you in my prayers everyday.
Britton
A crucifix that depicts the death of the Lord on the cross is not an object of worship as for example the object of “Dagon”. Because of people complaining against God and Moses, the Lord punished them with ‘saraph serpents, which bit the people so that many of them died. With repentance, the Lord instructed that a bronze serpent be made and had it mounted it on a pole so that who ever looks upon it will recover.
It’s interesting that the Lord used a serpent on a pole for a means of healing. This foreshadows the crucifixion of Jesus. Jesus on the cross became sin so that through his death we might find healing. Jesus states, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I AM, and that I do nothing on my own, but I say only what the Father taught me”.
As Maggie noted above, St. Paul states, “but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.”
What Christians have believed for 1500 years before Martin Luther has not changed in 2,000 years.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:16pmNo offense Briten, but referencing pagan cultures from a Catholic source would be like asking Obama about the constitution.
Report Post »gpk
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:28amwhere’s the photo/depiction of mooooohammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmad.
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:56amCareful… The loving and wise Allah will order his people to cut your head off…
Report Post »Bret
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:26amJokers… You are worshiping the seal of the pope on an old painting. Other than that, do you really believe the other tripe??? It belongs in a trailer park…
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:57amHEY! I grew up in a trailer park, buddy!
And we never had such nice pictures on our fake wood paneled walls!
Report Post »PerfectBrunoise
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:38pmThen it would have to be painted on velvet.
Report Post »palmettopalflorida
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:12amWhat I’m interested in knowing is, who was this 1,850 year old individual who, 150 years ago, described to the “artist” what Christ looked like? I figure it had to be this way. How else did anyone know 150 years ago. Someone had better get in touch with Guiness.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:24amYou want to know what Jesus may have looked like? He looked like the syrian christians who even today speak aramaic and descend from the time of Christ.He may look like the syrian jews who descend from the time of Christ [the syrian jews and the syrian christians look alike].
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:28amApparently you didn’t read the article. It noted that the painting is based off the Veil of Veronica, a holy relic rumored to hold exact image of Christ’s face.
Now, the Veil itself only appeared in written history around the 13th century, so it’s pretty likely the entire thing is a sham, but it won’t stop some people from believing what they want.
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:59amJesus never drew atention to himself while he was on earth. He always directed glory to God and ran away when they tried to make him a King… Why would he want anyone to venerate his image today?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:33pmThere are numerous paintings that take from the likeness that appears on the Shroud of Turin, just as there are many that represent the Veil of Veronica that tradition says she used to wipe Christ’s face as he made his way to Golgotha. The sudarium that is housed in a Church in Spain doesn‘t usually get used because there’s no discernable image on it, it’s essentially just blood and secretions. The Sudarium is the face cloth used to cover Christ’s face when he was taken down from the cross. This image clearly isn’t the actual likeness of Christ, it’s far too stylized. It more closely resembles the early Byzantine representations of Christ that appear on early church icons. The first thing that strikes me is that the familiar halo isn’t represented that is so common in Christian art. The image doesn’t have the photorealism of the Renaissance which came much later in Christian art. What the painting is, is a representation of the Veil of Veronica using an early Christian art style. The man in the image does reflect the semitic look of the people of Israel which would indeed be a more closer representation of what Christ really would have looked like. It also highlights the tortuous, brutal aspect of his passion before his death and resurrection. But clearly it’s not photorealistic as evidenced by the spurting blood on either side of the head, or the rounded, simplified shape of the beard. So we can‘t actually say it’s the “true face of Christ”.
Report Post »Ampleforth
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:09amWow! In most trailers Jesus appears on toast, pancakes, or the wood grain of the cheap paneling.
Report Post »wethepeoplepress
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:08ami would like to know who actually beleives the world is only a couple thousand years old and jesus and the dinosaurs walked together? if you beleive that which is your right you must also know that Obama was appointed by GOD to be POTUS.
if you follow the bible and beleive in it word for word and dont think GOD appointed Odumbo then explain..
1 Peter 2:13: “For the Lord’s sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right.”
Paul wrote in Romans 13:1: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resist authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
To me one can tell those versus are intended to control the populace, if you beleive that statement then you are not in touch with Natures Creator, its that simple.
its a shame the churches have muddied up the waters to benefit the church and not so much the people it claims it serves. Hell they use a large % of tith to undermine the constitution and rules of law by implementing, supporting the structure and smuggling the illegal aliens into our country and your donations help, please talk to your pastor and ask them if they support illegal acts and demand your church to clean up its act!
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:34am@wethepeoplepress
Report Post »You are taking those verses out of context. You can’t just take individual verses and scrutinize them, there is context among the verses. Those verses were intended to show that God has setup government for a reason. Notice it says “what” God has appointed, not who. We should respect authority. This is true. However, God is not condoning oppressive government or government gone wild. Even government has to answer to HIS authority. The government that God is speaking of was established to correct wrong and praise right. Just as the verse stated. But when right and wrong flip and now you have a perverse government. However, just because a person (the “who” not the “what”) takes office, that does not mean he was appointed by God. In fact, there is a verse somewhere, I can’t think of it for the life of me, where it states that one should follow God’s is above the laws of men. In other words, if the government forbids you to worship God, then you cannot follow that law. It’s all about context. I will have to find it.
SimpleTruths
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:49amTX_45_ACP
The point is that you find whatever you want in the Bible to support whatever point you want to make, however pious or perverse it may be.
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:55amYour first paragraph reveals a willful ignorant mocking arrogance that is only exceeded in this post by a self-aggrandizing condescending presumption of intellectual superiority that is worthy of BHO himself; Screwtape must be smiling from ear to ear. God gave us BHO because that is what the people wanted and we got what we deserved for being swayed by the silky smooth words of a consummate snake oil salesman, conman who along with Wormwood’s apprentices known as the “mainstream media” were the proclaimers of his greatness. After all as nation we have been at war with the living God for a long time He may have decided at this time in history to let us destroy our selves! We are doing that very quickly. After all as a culture we hate His Son, His Covenant people, land and His son’s faithful church. Oh, by the way just enlighten your ignorance dinosaurs were land animals and were created by Jesus Himself on day six and they were all plant eaters originally!
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:04amSimpleTruths- You mean people can TWIST the bible to say anything they want. If you read what it actually says, in context and without the common bias of so called “modern thinkers”, it’s pretty clear.
Report Post »mils
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:54amthanks.
so many people never look past their noses and take whatever makes them feel good look, ask questions, questions. i believe jesus may have been a man that existed 2000 years ago…i don’t know, there are no “in the moment accounts”…only second hand accounts written years later…it seems to me that the powers to be at the time would have noted that they had crucified such a dastardly bad person who was wroking against them..crowed a little ya know?…they did have records of everything else…people like to believe what makes them feel good..and that is fine..just quit trying to shove it down my throat. life is good, god is great.
Blaze….. tell us about the person that had the picture stolen from him..where is he in this…where did he get it. it’s not a pretty picture of anyone. I do understand the historical importance to the catholic church..they make up such great stories.
Report Post »CONTROL!! religion, not spirituality, is man’s way to control man…keep the little dirty people in line..keep that money comin in to buy the gold statues, silk robes, build fine temples…yyeeaaahhh…keep thinkin someone’s comin to save you, you better save yourself with your own actions and quit depending on anyone….
luke1_28
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:08pm@ Mils Religion has ridiculously been made into a dirty word. The Old Testament is full of religion. The New Testament is the fulfillment of all that religion and therefore within the NT is a religion itself once again established BY GOD in Christ Jesus. You think Christ came to do away with all that in the OT? Christ came to fulfill the Law not abolish it. God himself instituted the Law in the OT and God Himself came to fulfill it in the NT because man broke the Covenants – Laws – RELIGION – that God made in the OT and animal sacrifice was no longer sufficient. The fulfillment of the Law does not abolish it. The fulfillment of the Law by Christ only reinforces that the Law in itself was perfect – but man was not. So Christ, being perfect, the spotless unblemished Lamb of God, was the only Sacrifice that validated all the OT sacrifices, restored man to God in the New Covenant. To assume the RELIGION God the Father established for His children to follow in the OT was imperfect is heresy. God gave MANY directives, a.k.a. RELIGION, for the OT people to follow. All perfect. The OT people on the other hand….not so perfect.
Report Post »Religion in itself then, is not a bad word, not a bad thing. MAN makes it that way. It is God’s instruction for how HE wants to be worshipped. It isn’t mans job to decide.
Celumnaz
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 12:55pm@TX_45_ACP
Just look at Daniel and (spelling is probably off) Sadrach, Meshack and Abed-Nego…
They defied the orders of the King. That’ll probably get you to your point.
I still think of it in terms of just before Saul, where God is saying what a King will do to the people, and it wasn’t good.
More on topic though… considering the prohibition on graven images and such… it doesn’t supprise me at all that the head of a certain denomination would draw this picture and then hand it out like that…
For some reason it reminds me of the extra-biblical stories of Abraham before he left his dad’s house, while he was still an Idol-Maker.
Oh and Jesus wasn’t a carpenter. More like an engineer, architect, mason, *BUILDER*. “TEKTON/TECTON”
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:42amFor someone who lived a poor jewish carpentar that never left a 100 mile radius of His home and was only “famous” for about 3 years, it’s amazing that so many people “knows” what He looks like. In my Bible, the next time He’s going to show His face is when He is coming in the cloulds of Glory. Not on every potato chip, telephone pole, etc…. there is. I think people should be looking for Him in the Scriptures instead of in their trailor!
Report Post »IHATEMUSLIMS
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:53amAmen
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:11amyea yea, they ought to burn that piece of crap. I’m with you…….. NOT.
Report Post »66 bronco
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:13am@ SQUIDVETOHIO
Exactly!!!!
Report Post »Unstable Phenomenon
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:08am@SQUIDVETOHIO: Excellent point…I don’t understand why so many non-believers make a big deal about what Jesus looked like.
Report Post »kyheadhunter
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 11:50amAmen you said it brother
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:37pmIt is a common misconception that Jesus was a carpenter. I forget the original word but it translates into “hand worker” meaning he did whatever work there was that day. Sometimes carpentry, sometimes farming, stone work, etc. It is believed that Jesus’s dad was not a landowner, making it very unlikely that he had any kind of carpentry workshop. Jesus likely worked along side Joseph each day going whatever work there was that they could get paid for.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:50pmThough it doesn’t matter what He looked like,come, on as God incarnate it is natural to be curious about how God Himself looked as a human being. This natural human curiousity is something we DON’T have in common with even doubting Thomas.
Report Post »Fly Old Glory 24/7 365
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:13pmhey, dont forget the WalMart receipt in SC a few weeks back…
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:14pmRose-Ellen..It’s the Palestians that are obsessed with calling themselves arabs. Did your selective memory forget the Transjordan as well? King Hussein of Jordan admitted it himself, Palestine is kept an open wound so that the arab world can target Israel. You keep bleating Rose-Ellen but like I’ve told you before, it’s your own spite that keeps defeating you. No one’s denying the hundreds of the thousands of Arab jews that came to Israel after the new state formed they finally had a land again where they were safe from Arab persecution. Nor are they denying the European jews that came to Israel after the Europeans tried to kill them off. But your laughable attempts to link jews to Hamas and the like have no place in an intelligent exchange. Hamas’ own charter specifically calls for the death of all jews.
Hamas cleric Muhsen Abu ‘Ita was interviewed July 13, 2008 on Al-Aqsa TV. After reminding listeners that the Koran’s opening prayer itself (the Fatiha, at 1:7), which pious Muslims repeat five times daily, declares that the Jews are “those who incur Allah’s wrath,” (re-affirming the standard exegesis, for example, Suyuti’s classical commentary), he declared:
“The annihilation of the Jews here in Palestine is one of the most splendid blessings for Palestine. This will be followed by a greater blessing, Allah be praised, with the establishment of a Caliphate that will rule the land and will be pleasing to men and God.”
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:39amA supposedly 150-year old painting of an artifact that is supposedly 2000 years old but only appeared in history in the 13th century. Well, that’s all the evidence I need to think this is what Jesus looked like!
Oh look! My piece of morning toast resembles it too!
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:50pmAllah means God and hamas and arabs in general believe that the state of israel was historically illigitimarte and ignoble. That does not mean they want to kill all the jews. Now they claim it would be a moot point that the creation of the state was immoral-they would accept and do accept an israel with legal 67borders.The borders today are illigal and therefore they are still struggling against -the illigal occupation and illigal aquisition of territory through war which violates international law and is unethical.Though they believe and will always believe the creation of israel was immoral and illigal[a colonial mans game].The arab jews got along fine in arab lands prior to european zionist interlopers[better for sure then the jews of europe otr along with non jewish europeans ].The truth will out and is getting out.You’re an anti-semite[against muslim/arabs this time] and your agenda is genocide of arab/muslims.A true 21stc nazi.Shame if you profess to follow theLord. Then again anyone can say Lord,Lord!.
Report Post »nysparkie
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:24am? Too bad they didn’t have a Kodak moment 2500 years ago. Who knows. We know he was Jewish and was from Judea. Enough.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:41amHe was a jew from palestine ,not european or russian and probobly looked like the people in hamas [though these people are also now mixed] and the christians of palestine,syria asnd that entire area who descend from the early christiaans.And what is islam but OT judaism ?
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:16amAnd now, from that picture we can see he plucked his eyebrows. hmmm……
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 11:25amROSEELLEN – Jesus is a Jew from Israel not Palestine.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 11:47am@rose-ellen There was never a land back then called palestine!! Palestine refers to people of the Philistine = morons/unlearned. That is why they’re called palestinians and they seem to like it anyway
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:15pmWhatever the name given to that area[syrai,greater syria,judea,palestine, israel etc.is irrelevent.] The borders were not todays borders but the land there was inhabitied-not by jews from europe but what are now a mixed people.The people there now some of whom are muslim, jewish and christian go back to the time of christ or are mixed with people there from the time of christ.The syrians christians and jews [if any syrian jews are still there though some may now be in israel or in bklyn,new york] are very likely descended from the contemporarries of jesus[even related to him,some of them.]This is esspecially true of syran christians who still speak aramaic.Your hang up on todays borders or names is ridiculous![to the romans it was all simply another one of their provinces.]
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:21pmROSEELLEN – There are no Jews “from Europe”.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 1:37pmNo Rose-Ellen…the name “Palestine” is the English version of “Palestina” which the Romans used to rename Israel, Samaria and Judea in their attempt to remove Jewish identity from the region. They did this after the destruction of the Great Temple (which Christ predicted would occur) and the wholesale crucifixion of Jews that took place afterwards. Josephus elaborates more on this should you want to educate yourself. And NO Rose-Ellen, Palestinians are Arab stock, not Hebrew. Your peurile attempt to insinuate Hamas into some kind of weird connection to Christ’s ethnic background is hysterical. It’s sad that you actually believe the twisted idiocies you deficate on these boards and sadder that you believe you should be taken on your word.
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:04pmROSEELLEN – As you know all Jews trace their ancestry back to the twelve tribes of “Israel”, not Europe. The names Judea, Sumaria, Galilee, Israel are not irrelevent as you claim. The names and borders are changed to deny the Jewish people their rightful homeland. You know that better than anyone.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:45pmJews from europe may trace a common ancestor to those tribes[though some may in fact be simply converts] just as todays “palestinians”-are called arabs but they too are now mixed[with invading greeks,romans, persiens,asyrians,philistines, various jewish tibes you mentioned,crusaders,vikings etc.]Why you’re obsessed with them being arabs and the word philistine and palestine is because of your genocidal anti-arab/muslim agenda. {perhaps the only true arabs are the saudds and yemenites,though maybe not even them or all of them.Your obsession with race is typical of your 21stc status as anti-semites[against arab/muslims this time] You talk and think and parse like genocidal nazis cause that’s what you are!Reality is, people are mixed[except those that an'tt] and jews from europe are mixed as are todays palestinians. But todays palestinians speak arabic and zionists from europe spoke european languages[yiddish a combination of german and some hebrew].The christian arabs of syria speak aramaic[some of them],the language of Christ and the jewish arabs of syria spoke arabic and their scholars spoke hebrew..Hebrew was revived when the european zionists were given what is now called israel[except for the 67borders which is illigally aquired territory]by the european colonialist club called the UN.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:22pmAnd to hammer my point home Rose-Ellen that your preposterous linking of jews to the likes of hamas should be anything but laughed at:
Report Post »Hamas cleric Wael Al-Zarad during a television program which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on February 28, 2008 explained that the Muslims’ blood vengeance against the Jews, “will only subside with their [the Jews] annihilation, Allah willing, because they tried to kill our Prophet several times.” These allegations are part of a central antisemitic motif in the Koran which decrees an eternal curse upon the Jews (Koran 2:61/ reiterated at 3:112) for slaying the prophets and transgressing against the will of Allah.
Ah yes..Rose-Ellen….there’s that religion of peace and tolerance.
Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:24amLooks like a black velvet Elvis to me.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:00pmYou can find christians saying atrocious things [a cathollic principle was part of a racist movement and recently called out on it]. about muslims.And jews saying atrocious things about muslims.All on the blaze and right wing media.There have been wars between muslims and jews since the european zionists messed in their homelands. That conflict is still not resolved[due to illigal occupation and illigal annexation of land] so when people have been in conflict for so long hatreds and vileness ensues[look at the vileness you here spew at arab/muslims because you were attacked by a group of them ].The hatred is not one sided .Go back to 67borders, and lift the seige of gaza and you could have true peace.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 10:03pmAnd until second vatican council catholics too and lutherans believed jews were cursed.
Report Post »GABOB
Posted on August 6, 2011 at 6:44pmThat’s what I was thinking. Kind of like the black Jesus in some black churches.
Report Post »URKiddinMee
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:17amThis is nothing. I have an autographed picture of Jesus taken at the last supper. I had an aritist in Juarez make a copy for transferring onto black velvet prints. I’ll sell you one if you want it/
Report Post »rfycom
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:57amthe greatest con man of all time?
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:09amI heard a monestary in Rome has the toenail clippings Jesus left on the table after the last supper…
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:58pmDid you learn that from the Talmud?
Report Post »Spikey_Dude
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:54am“Heaven Is For Real” (Todd Burpo) a great read!
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:15amSo is 90 Minutes in Heaven.
Report Post »brknhrt
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:25pmIn order to believe the Heaven is for Real story, you have to believe that God took the child to heaven while he was still alive, or he died on the table and none of the doctors or nurses noticed. I read and reviewed the book. Although he seems like a cute kid, his story is Sunday School 101 with a vivid imagination (we all get wings) not a visit to heaven.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:23amThis is kind of funny to me since it is HIGHLY unlikely that the artist did not know what Jesus’ true face looks like any more than anyone else. I seriously doubt that Jesus posed for a picture that has become somewhat of an idol to some people.
Report Post »briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:57amYou should have read the article, Servant of WHVH- it is suposedly based on the Viel of Veronica which was a piece of cloth said to have been used to wipe Christ’s face and his image was left on it. Jesus didn’t pose for the panting…
Of course, the Viel was almost certainly just another fraud created in the middle ages to make some monestary popular to pilgrims and get their money- like the hundreds of other “relics”.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:21amI have to go do a little research this AM because the whole thing is rather confusing. How does an only 150 year old painting depict the true image of Jesus and therefor what did the painter use specifically as the reference, I‘m personally not familiar with the Veil of Veronica so now I’ve gotta go put my Fedora on and do some Indiana Jonesing….
Report Post »W_Hart
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 6:58amWho owns it? What‘s it’s value? WHO CARES?! If you can’t take it with you, it aint worth nothin’ anyway. The paintings real value is in the faith it can and will inspire. If the painting turns out to be authentic, and the Catholic Church ends up with it, good for them. They need all of the help they can get right now. Who knows, (certainly not me) maybe that’s the plan.
Report Post ».45peacemaker
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 6:55amc’mon everybody knows jesus was a light brown haired, blue eyed gentlemen who wore a white robe with a purple sach wrapped around his waist who went by the name of chester before his 30th birthday. its in mark chapter 17.
Report Post »dopie joe
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 6:06amNow just who are they saying is the rightful owner,the old Gent who lives in the motor home,or the Church?
Report Post »bruce_baker
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:53amIf you want to see the true face of Christ, look in the nearest mirror. If He’s going to accomplish anything on this Earth between now, and the time He comes back in all His Glory, we’re the only tools he has available to do the many jobs that need doing. The catch is, don’t you dare do something in His name that is really your will or thought instead of His. That is what the commandment, “Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord, thy God in vain” really means, not saying, “God, damn it!”. Pretending you know His will, and thus speak in His Name. Doing that has bad consequences. What you obviously don’t know, is that it’s your sins that prevent you from seeing Him, from seeing His hand in our daily lives. From knowing truth with surety. If you start trying to specifically follow the commandments, and pray, things will change for you. Things will change for us all, because you’re a part of us all. It’s slow, but that’s the way it works.
And for you Christian litteralists, who believe the world was created in six twenty four hour days, you’ve been given the Emancipation Proclamation, and you’re looking for hidden meanings in the kerning of the typeface, and totally ignoring the obvious message of freedom from sin, and eternal life with Jesus, starting right now, whenever it happens to you, the way it happened to Saul on the Damascus road. That poor, lost sinner is who Paul used to be. Who could you become?
And that’s the simple truth, as I see it, so help m
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:06amWow, Bruce that is a great post – and you are so right in almost everything. Anything that I might write about after that seem trivial – so I will just thank you and go to bed. God Bless You sir!!
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LibertarianForLife
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 4:31amYou make it seem like young earth creationists are stupider then you are.. there not. They have as much proof for there false proposition as you do yours – zero.
Report Post »Sheepdog911
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:42am@ Bruce. Uh, OK. Thank you for interpreting the entire Bible for me in two paragraphs. Could God himself done better? When I look in the mirror, I see me. If I see the Lord in the mirror, He’s with me, but He’s not me. Now take that literally, please.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:19am@Bruce
Report Post »“Pretending you know His will, and thus speak in His Name.”
On your attack. Like YOU said, look in the mirror. He who points at someone is pointing three fingers back at himself. However, I guess it is good that we have someone on here that has a direct line to God so that we are able to know EVERYTHING that God means and how he means it. Bruce, wait until you get to Heaven so that then you can make Jesus move over and give you your rightful place at God’s Right Hand. That way, it would make it easier for you to direct God on how to run things and to explain to Him what He means with everything that He says.
jakartaman
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:37amAmen Bruce
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briten821
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:00amFunny, whenever someone types an impassioned post half the replys say it is wonderful and half say it is a hypocritical attack….
I, for one, only disagree with it on the basis that Jesus has ALREADY come back. He took a look around and has been preparing for judgement day since the early 1900′s.
Report Post »truthncharity
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:14amAgree with most of what you say with this exception….“specifically following the commandments”….that places you under the Law and the Holy Scriptures tell you noone is justified by the Law. Only Jesus is the way to Life….He fulfilled and completed the Law because we could not, you are saved by Grace through faith. Law and Grace stand opposed, it’s one or the other, you can’t stand between.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:19amThat WAS a great post. God chose not to reveal exactly what Christ looks like so objects wouldn’t be worshiped, but we would turn to Him. Believing with no visible proof is just more Glory to Him. Having an article like that isn’t going to bring anyone to Him, because that’s the seed sown on thin soil. The faith is gone as soon as the artifact is proven to be a fake, or is gone.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:03pm@BRUCE_BAKER………………..God is not a name it’s a title. If you don’t use His name or know His name how can you take His name in vain. This is why the Jews in Jesus‘ time up until today still don’t use the divine name because of superstition and the fear of breaking that commandment.
Report Post »Isaiah 12: 4…………………call upon his name……………….
BigMG
Posted on August 6, 2011 at 12:25pmYup. They’ll know soon enough. In the meantime, sayers of nay, why not do something positive and selfless; dare I say, Christlike?
Report Post »mavsfan75
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:18amI know what he looks like, he cuts my grass every saturday morning!
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 5:09amYou will have fun in hell with Mark Cuban…
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:09amDoes it matter…I beleive the only thing the bible mentions about the looks of Jesus, is that he was average, a comely face.
Report Post »Bassinman2000
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:28amI don’t care to put any religious faction down, so, I will just say that I would have had to have been around at the same time that Jesus was alive for me to be able to paint a “true” likeness of Him in a portrait. Because there is NO OTHER WAY TO PROVE any likeness is actually His, with the million or so concepts of Jesus’ image that have been made throughout the 2,000 plus years since He was here. Can any one tell me beyond a shadow of a doubt that ANY painting created after His crucifixion is actually of Him since he wasn’t there to pose for it? Or did the artists have photographic memories? Of course, others will believe differently, and that’s fine. I am not in the least concerned with what my Saviour looked like when He was here on earth, and the Shroud may bear His resemblance as well, but I don’t care. He WAS here, and He DID die for all of us, I don’t put stock in anything else. My belief is based on faith, knowing that there is only ONE true God and ONE true written word of God, it is not based on material things CREATED BY MEN to prove or disprove His existence. I can see His existence in all His creation around me, everywhere I go, and that will suffice.
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:07am“The church is now working with officials in Rome to appraise the piece, which if determined to be authentic could make it invaluable.” You forgot the last part where the guy added ‘to the church’.
The Veil of Veronica is not Biblical. No one knows what Jesus looked like.
Report Post »ThirtyEightWinks
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:36amRight. The bible does not recount the story of Veronica. So? You say that like being not in the bible proves that it’s false. John 21:25 “But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.”
There are true things that aren’t in the bible! What Jesus looked like, what various people did during while Jesus was carrying his cross to Golgatha, weren’t considered important enough to put down in the bible. But Jesus did actually have a face! It’s not in the bible that he had a nose and two eyes! Perhaps a woman named Veronica took pity on Him, wiped his face, and received an Icon of his image. Does that really contradict the bible account?
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:11amTHIRTYEIGHTWINKS ~
I am very familiar with the stations of the cross. If the stories aren’t in the Bible, then I will attribute it to man’s fables. If it was noteworthy, it would have been included.
As a child who was brought up from 1st grade through 11th in the Catholic church, I was very interested in attending the services each year to hear the stations. I was curious about each story and went to my Bible to look each of them up and could not believe that quite a few of them weren’t there to be found. No one was able to explain that to me.
But yes, it is safe to say that Jesus had two eyes and a nose. I’ll give you that.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 8:50amVeronica means the “real face;” vera icon[the true face] hence appears to be a myth.-unless she had a different name not recorded and was assigned the name vera-ican after the incident of her wiping the face of Jesus with her veil!
Report Post »Bret
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 9:45amPope worship: Making an image that you want look like Jesus, having it blessed by the Pope, and then marking with his seal like some sort of sacred baseball card is not what God had ever intended. I never understood the whole crucifix thing either…
Report Post »jtm
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 11:30amJust because something is not in the Bible does not mean it is not true. Some of you treat the Bible as an idol.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:05amGlad it can be returned to it’s rightful owner.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:04amHow much you wanna bet that the painting’s rightful owner will magically turn out to be some wealthy big-shot foreigner or something?
Report Post »WHOSYOURMAHDI
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 2:14am@norm LOVE your handle!
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 3:47pmThanks. :-)
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